1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised. 3 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Michaela Valentine, heart pounding, waits in the car for her 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: husband Zach. She stares at her reflection in the mirror. 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: In her blond wig and heavy makeup, she barely recognizes herself. Inside, 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: Zach carries out two fatal attacks on Natasha Berger and 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: her neighbor Joy Burnside. The plan was for Michaela to 8 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: help him, but she couldn't bring herself to go through 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: with it. When the executions are complete, Zach flees from 10 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: the townhouse and runs toward the waiting car. He jumps 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: in next to his wife, his hands, his face, his 12 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: clothes all covered in blood. Zach and Michaela speed away 13 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: from the scene, bolting across the darkened city. Zach calls 14 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: to check in with Mirinda. The job is done, he 15 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: tells her. Marinda hears Michaela crying in the background, and 16 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: orders them to get rid of the murder weapons and 17 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: report back immediately to the flat where Cecilia is waiting. 18 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: When they arrive, Zach explains to Cecilia what happened and 19 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: how Michaela couldn't bring herself to kill joy Cecilia was 20 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: not pleased. LaRue and Marcel are ordered to scrub the 21 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: car clean of blood. Ria Grunivald rushes to Natasha's place 22 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: as soon as she hears the tragic news. She has 23 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: to see for herself if things had actually gone this far. 24 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: Rhea watches the slack jawed as the bodies of Natasha 25 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: and Joy are carried out, both covered in white sheets 26 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: in the dark of night. No one recognizes Rihea, but 27 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: the following day a witness comes forward. I heard screams 28 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: coming from Joy's home, she said. When I looked outside, 29 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: I saw a blond woman running from the house to 30 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: her car. That woman was Mikaela in a blonde wig. 31 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: But strangely, the witness tells the police with some certainty 32 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: that who she saw fleeing the murder scene was Rhea. 33 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: As if things weren't bad enough, Rhea's life was about 34 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: to take yet another turn for the worse. She was 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: about to become the primary suspect from School of Humans 36 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: and iHeart Podcasts. This is Queen Havoc and her murder cult. 37 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Kurt Kupchek episode three, Eyes of a Killer. 38 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: In untangling the web of this case, we discover a 39 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: long list of bad actors, but we also encounter people 40 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: like Rhea, vilified for their good intentions. Among these well 41 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: intentioned individuals is the man we've been calling Luke. His 42 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: involvement with Cecilia Stein would come at a steep cost. 43 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: Luke is something of a vigilante. He met Cecilia and 44 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: Electus Perdaz in twenty twelve as the murders were picking 45 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: up steam. His friend Aria introduced him to the Know 46 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: Your Enemy pamphlet, which piqued his interest. 47 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: The book's name was now your Enemy. So I convinced 48 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people, how do you PreTect yourself if 49 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: you don't know are your enemy operates? Makes actually aren't 50 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: the same scenes? So I started reading this boon. I 51 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: didn't agree with anything. 52 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: He shared his skepticism with Aria, so. 53 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: I told him, I've got all this questions. She told 54 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: me she'll take me to the person who read this book. 55 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: And that's when I met cecil Lasting for the first 56 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: time and Zach Valentine and Makai La. 57 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: Luke challenged Cecilia's ideas in person and strangely enough, she 58 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: seemed to enjoy it, bantering back and forth with him 59 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: but not providing any real answers. Luke remained unconvinced that 60 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: she was as cunning as she said she was, but 61 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: was intrigued by the group's reverence for her. But then, 62 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: only a couple of weeks after he came into Cecilia's orbit, 63 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: people started dying. 64 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: This One friend found me about a week later and 65 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: she told me and Natasha Burger and friend's been murdered. 66 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: In his gut, he knew they were to blame. 67 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. Something that don't make sense. 68 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: And so he decided to act, going. 69 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: To my knees and I prayed and I told her 70 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: Lord he can use me. I will go into Cruge 71 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: if you can just partect me and I'll open up 72 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: this whole hole. And it's next. 73 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: Luke planned to conduct his own investigation. He would infiltrate 74 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: electus perdeis, posing as a devotee. He could get close 75 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: to them and confirm his suspicions. Then, once he had 76 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: hard evidence, he would go to the police. Luke tread 77 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: lightly at first, so that no one would suspect anything. 78 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: He needed to earn Secilia's trust, the rest would follow. 79 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: Not aware of the malicious inner workings of EPD, Luke 80 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: began to spend time with some of the members socially, 81 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: Zach Valentine in particular, and up close. He took note 82 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: of how Cecilia played them all. 83 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: Anybody was extremely scaped of Cecilia, and that's how she 84 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: got everybody to listen to her and follow the instructions. 85 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: She used fear and of course scripture. The story of 86 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: King David, who was told by God to destroy the Philistines, 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: worked especially well on Mirinda. 88 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: I remember she manipulated Miranda out of David. David killed 89 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: all the people, and the women, and the children and 90 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: the dogs. Everything must be killed, and that's how she 91 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: manipulated Miranda to participa the killings. 92 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Cecilia reinterpreted biblical teachings to her likings so that members 93 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: believed that what they were doing was God's will, just 94 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: like so many Zelots throughout history who murdered in the 95 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: name of God. Cecilia would speak on behalf of the Almighty, 96 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: and who were they to argue against such divine authority? 97 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: That made Michaela's unwillingness to kill joy burnside, an affront 98 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: to Cecilia and an act of existential defiance. Zach tried 99 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: to reassure Cecilia that Michaela was loyal and that she 100 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: could still be trusted, but Cecilia was unsparing. She berated 101 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: Michaela for not following through on the kill assigned to her, 102 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: and decided all of them Zach, Mirinda, Marcel, LaRue and 103 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: Michaela should all be better prepared for next time. In fact, 104 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: they should practice. Luke wasn't yet deep enough into the 105 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: fold to be included in this macabre exercise. The core members, however, 106 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: arrived at Cecilia's flat one evening to find her in 107 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: the bedroom. Laid out under stackxa newspaper, was a boar's 108 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: head from the local butcher. She handed knives to each 109 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: of her followers and instructed them to have at it, 110 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: a depraved rehearsal for killing a human. She watched for 111 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: a while and then left the room, returning a few 112 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: minutes later with an axe. While their blades were plunged 113 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: deeper and deeper into the boar's head, Cecilia fed her 114 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: followers stories of the conniving ways of Rhea and her 115 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: mentor Pastor Reginald Ben Dixon. He was the aggressor, she 116 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: told them. He turned Rhea against them all he let 117 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: OTC to heard praying incorrectly, thereby forcing them to dispose 118 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: of Natasha. And he, according to Cecilia, had plagiarized her 119 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: Know Your Enemy pamphlet and repurposed it for an OTC course. Finally, 120 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: Cecilia's devotees, breathless and bloody, surrounded the mangled pig's head, 121 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: ready for their next kill. This time it would be 122 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: Mirinda's turn to prove her loyalty. And this time we'll 123 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: hear about the murder. 124 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: In her own words, no one ever screamed when I 125 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: killed him. They were dated in seconds. 126 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: Merenda Stein, guided by her undying loyalty to Cecilia, was 127 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: outraged at Pastor Reginald Ben Dixon's inequities. He had stolen 128 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: both Cecilia's intellectual property and Rhea's admiration. In her book 129 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: The Kruger's Dwarf Cult Killings, journalist Jana Marx details the 130 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: scene where Cecilia called an emergency meeting and informed them, quote, 131 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: we have to take him out. This is war. We 132 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: are living in the end times and redg has turned 133 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: against God. What you're hearing now is a maximum security 134 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: correctional facility south of Johannesburg. It's popularly known as Sun City, 135 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: after a famous holiday resort in South Africa's Northwest province. 136 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: The inmates ironically chose this name, implying that any time 137 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: spent there was the furthest thing from a holiday. It's 138 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 2: a kin to calling Riker's Island Disney. 139 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: World with you. 140 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: When I entered the prison, I was fristed from head 141 00:09:53,160 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: to toe. I boarded a rickety old bus that took 142 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: us to the women's prison. Next, we slowed to a 143 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: stop in front of a high razor wire fence that 144 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: surrounded a large brick building. The sun was out, there 145 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: was a bite in the wind. I followed a stream 146 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: of visitors off the bus and through layers of fence. 147 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: We were all frissed again and again. Each time I 148 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: became more nervous. After what felt like an eternity, the 149 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: guards checked me in his curs who would check excitement 150 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: and fear course through me. I was about to come 151 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: face to face with the greatest evil I had ever known, 152 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: Marinda Stein herself. Like with the first murder, the group 153 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: heavily scouted at the location. Pastor Reginald ben Dixon lives 154 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: on a one way street. His house has a long driveway, 155 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: a security gate, and a surrounding cinder block wall. Mikayla 156 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: rents a car, LaRue replaces the license plate with a 157 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: stolen one, and Zach, Merinda, and Marcel pile in and 158 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: had to rege his house. On the drive, fourteen year 159 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: old Marcel becomes suddenly nauseous. She asked them to pull over. 160 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: The murder squad decides that Marcel is too sick and 161 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: they all returned to Kruger's sturt. This was not a 162 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: good look for Marcel or Mikaela, for that matter. When 163 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: Marcel got sick, it was Michaela who tended to her. 164 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: Over the past few years, Marcella and Michaela had bonded 165 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: while Marinda focused squarely on her duty to Cecilia. Michayla 166 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: became Marcel's sole ally and confidant. Marcel looked up to her. 167 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: Both were relieved that their deadly assignment was aboarded. That night, Thursday, 168 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: August ninth, twenty twelve, Reginald ben Dixon receives a call 169 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: from Zach Valentine. Zach uses a fake name and says 170 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: he's seeking a spiritual counselor. He flatters him and says 171 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: Reg comes highly recommended. The two men make an appointment 172 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: to meet the following Monday at a local coffee shop. 173 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: Reg jots it down in his date book. On the 174 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: day of the appointment, the thirteenth of August twenty twelve, Zach, Marian, 175 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: and Marcel make their way to Ben Dixon's home. They 176 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: call and ask for a rain check, assuming he would 177 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: be at home for a while, before making other plans. 178 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: The scouting mission conclude that Ben Dixon's wife would be 179 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: away until later that evening. About that same time, Ria 180 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Grunivald gets a text on her phone from a number 181 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: she doesn't recognize. Have you said your goodbyes to Reg? 182 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: I hope you did. Ria immediately forwards the message to 183 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: the police officer she's been in contact with, the same 184 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: cop who was a no show at the coffee shop 185 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: sting operation. Not Surprisingly, he doesn't respond. Ria tries calling, 186 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: and yet again the police aren't there for her when 187 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 2: she needs them the most. Meanwhile, the novice assassins were 188 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: nearing Regg's house. MICHAELA. Was ordered to stay home for 189 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: this mission. She'd stay by Cecilia's side while the others 190 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: followed orders. Cecilia no longer trusted Mikayla to get the 191 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: job done. Marcel, on the other hand, was not given 192 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: an option. Marinda made sure her daughter was there to 193 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: learn by example. Cecilia ordered Marcel to bring a video 194 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: came to record the killing. She wanted evidence of their devotion, 195 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: and she wanted to see reg Bend Dixon die. Interviewing 196 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: Mirinda for this podcast meant giving her a platform. The 197 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: ethics of that concerned us quite a bit, But after 198 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: months of pouring over the facts of this case, we 199 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: were missing a critical piece. What on earth motivated these 200 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: seemingly normal people to become killers? I believe that talking 201 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: to her might provide more insight into Cecilia's mindset and 202 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: the group dynamics she cultivated. I wanted to figure out 203 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: why Mirinda and the rest of EPD did what they 204 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: did and how they justified it in their own minds. 205 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: In the visiting area, there were about ten other inmates 206 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: facing their loved ones in an echoy and sterile room 207 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: with a folding table that held handmade crafts for sale, 208 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: crocheted holders, and beat a jewelry, all made by inmates. 209 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: I walked past the tables and then heard a voice saying, Curt, 210 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: how are you there. She was the face I had 211 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: seen peering back at me, frozen in mugshots and courtroom photographs. 212 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: She smiled at me and thanked me for coming. We 213 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: sat down on a long, wooden picnic bench in the 214 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: center of the room. I was now a foot away 215 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: face to face with Merinda Steyn. She was as nervous 216 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: as I was, and told me so. Honestly, I felt disarmed, 217 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: mostly by her politeness, her seemingly normal demeanor, but that 218 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: light soon dimmed, clouded by who I knew her to be, 219 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: and that storm only grew as she started telling me 220 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: what happened with Ben Dixon. Now, as you can tell, 221 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: the audio quality of this interview was pretty rough, so 222 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: that an actor to read some of what Marinda shared 223 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: with us so that you can clearly understand her chilling words. 224 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: I knew the interaction would be tense and a bit awkward, 225 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: but what I really didn't expect was how casually Mirinda 226 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: would talk about the act of taking someone's life, and 227 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: so brutally she was proud of what she'd done. 228 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: I had a bad child. 229 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: I had a bad child, did and he looked exactly 230 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: like my father Sam. He was such a trusting idiot. 231 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: The kill team disguised themselves in police uniforms, their weapons 232 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: of choice knives and an axe. Marinda described calling Redge 233 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: from the front security gate using a burner phone. She 234 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: claimed they were detectives from the South African Police Service 235 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: who needed to speak with him about the recent murders 236 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: and a possible connection to his friend Ria Grunewald. Ben Dixon, 237 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: of course, wanted to help with the investigation, so he 238 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: let the killers in. 239 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: He was sort of a bit suspicious, and he was 240 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 4: sort of a bit suspicious, and then he started talking 241 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: to us, and he opened the gate for us, and 242 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: we're walking out like a long driveway. 243 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: Marinda came up with a ploy to come their way, 244 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: and why. 245 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: Don't we go into speaking? 246 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: Then I said to them, well why don't we go 247 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: and speak inside the house, you know, because now the 248 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 4: walls are high, but the neighbors would see. 249 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: As the pastor and EPD walked up the front yard 250 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: toward Ben Dixon's home, Marinda and Zach locked eyes. 251 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: So we went just around the bean, and we went 252 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: just around the bend, and he walked in front of us. 253 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 4: And then Zack didn't even wait for me. He just 254 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 4: started eating him over the head and he fell there 255 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 4: in front of us. So we were never even in 256 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: his house. 257 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: Zach got impatient and hit Bendixon over the head with 258 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: the back of the axe. They didn't even make it 259 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: into his home. Then Marinda joined in, stabbing him with 260 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: her fishing knife. Marcel fourteen years old, watches and muted 261 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: horror as this gruesome reality unfolds before her. Sitting there 262 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: in her prison jumpsuit. Marinda twisted this into some distorted 263 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: form of grace. Well, person, I. 264 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: Believe in killing a person quickly. 265 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 4: I believe in killing a person quickly. No one ever 266 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 4: screamed when I killed them. They were dead within seconds. 267 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Here's Christelle Boisen recalling Mirinda's court room testimony. 268 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 5: She was explaining that between her and Zuk, while they 269 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 5: were busy with Rex Benedict and stabbing him and slashing him, 270 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 5: they actually got so excited that Zuck accidentally hit her 271 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 5: with the ex and she was telling him, hey, just 272 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 5: you know, stay clear. She was explaining this in. 273 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: Court Even when it was obvious that reg was dead, 274 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: Marinda continued to stab him. Her depravity was not only 275 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: proof of her loyalty to God and to Secilia, but 276 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: the result of some research. 277 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 5: She says, she one time remember watching a documentary or something, 278 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 5: and they say that if you want to know if 279 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 5: someone is dead, you must look at this space on 280 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 5: the throat, and if the space stops throbbing, then you 281 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 5: know that the heart stopped pumping. And she was stabbing 282 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: rex Bena Dixon and waiting for this not to throb anymore, 283 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 5: and then she would know that he's dead. 284 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: With their work done, they leave Regg's lifeless body on 285 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: the grass in the front yard, locking the security gate 286 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: on their way out. When they pull up at Casana Flats, 287 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: Mikaela is outside sitting in her car. Zach, still hyped 288 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: on adrenaline from his second murder, boast to his wife 289 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: about what they'd done. Marenda and Marcel follow behind, corroborating 290 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: Zack's account of their kill like a hunting party celebrating 291 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: their conquest. Mikayla, numb with shock and careful not to 292 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: show any indication of fear or disapproval, forced a crooked 293 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: smile inside, though she trembled terrified at what her husband 294 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: had become a monster of his own making. At this point, 295 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: I think it'll be helpful to sort out all the 296 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: police and detectives involved in the investigation of these murders. 297 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: It can get confusing since the police treated the first 298 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: couple of crimes as unrelated the car and church bombings, 299 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: Reggi's murder and the killing of Natasha and Joy, so 300 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: what became known as the Kruger's Dorf killings were investigated 301 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: in stages. It's hard to pinpoint the exact chain of 302 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: events and police involvement at each stage. Many statements from 303 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: the cops make it sound as if they were there 304 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: the whole time, even if they were not. Everyone we 305 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: spoke to seems to have an opinion about how it 306 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: all went down. So here we go. From what we 307 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: can gather. Captain Venvick was aware of the cases surrounding 308 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: the car and church bombings, and may have even been 309 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: briefed on them, But when we spoke to him, Benvick 310 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: told us that he wasn't officially assigned as a lead 311 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: investigator until after Pastor Reginald ben Dixon turned up dead. 312 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 6: So it happened Onion of August that I was called 313 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 6: to ic a person was deceased, and that is actually 314 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 6: I became involved in this guys. 315 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: Then there's his associate, Colonel Henny Diager, a career cop 316 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: with a brooding, tony soprano type presence. Colonel Diyager had 317 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: been part of the investigation team since the car bombing incidents, assisting. 318 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: We think it's not totally clear when exactly Diyager became 319 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: part of this investigation, but he's a major player and 320 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: would soon become a pebble in the shoe of the 321 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: detectives seeking truth and justice. Many of the facts surrounding 322 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: both the Yager and Vinvick's involvement in the Cecilia Stein 323 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: case remain opaque. Then there's Detective Susette Knotse, graceful and bold, 324 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: she is called in a bit later, followed by the 325 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: brazen Detective Ben Boisen and a team of seasoned investigators. 326 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: Both Detective Susette Knotse and Ben Boysen each had to 327 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: re examine a string of suspicious events and reconsider the 328 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: evidence from every angle, essentially rebuild the case and track 329 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: where and how it all began. The other two law 330 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: enforcement officials are Colonel Kobas Yonker, Suzette's mentor, who started 331 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: the Occult Related Crimes unit, and Colonel Christelle Boisen, a 332 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: well respected officer in the South South African Police Service. 333 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: She remains the acting Operational overhead Commander for the West 334 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: Rand District. She's also married to Ben and they often 335 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: help each other out with cases. So here we are 336 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: August thirteenth, twenty twelve. Pastor Reginald ben Dixon's body lies 337 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: on the grass. It's a horrifying scene. Detective Sussette Canotze 338 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: recalls the crime scene photos. 339 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: He was hacked from behind. When he turned around, he 340 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: was hacked from the front. 341 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: The pastor had axe wounds to the back of his 342 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: head and had been stabbed more than ten times on 343 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: his chest and Torso here's Captain Johann Benvick. 344 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 6: On the scene. It was one of the most gruesome 345 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 6: motives which I've seen in the even thirty four years 346 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 6: in this Athrican Police Service. 347 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: Standing there in Ben Dixon's front yard, Captain van Vick 348 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: suppose met Colonel Di Yager for the first time. 349 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 6: There was another policeman that arrived on the scene of 350 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 6: Colonel Dia. He said that he was from the occult 351 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 6: unit of the reservice. I've never met him before. He 352 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 6: then informed me that the murder had some sort of 353 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 6: occult connection. 354 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: Here is where the window of truth begins to blur. 355 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: Though according to Yana Marx, who was present at all 356 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: of the court proceedings, both the Yager and Van Vick 357 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 2: had been at least adjacent to the carbomb investigations. Colonel 358 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: di Yager may have even been assisting on them, so 359 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: it's very likely they would have met before. The other 360 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: strange thing is that Colonel di Yager was brought on 361 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 2: as a consultant to assess the potential for ritual murder 362 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: in the case of Natasha Berger and Joy Burnside, even 363 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: though their murders were technically outside of his jurisdiction. He 364 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: was reportedly an expert on the occult. The Yager has 365 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: bravado a man's any room he finds himself in any 366 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: crime scene too. His arrival on the scene of Ben 367 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: Dixon's murder was kind of like what we've seen in 368 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: movies when the FBI shows up and takes over, but 369 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: in South Africa, the case remains in the hands of 370 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: the lead investigating officer, which is now then Vick. The 371 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: Yager was confident that Ben Dixon's murder was a ritualistic slaying, 372 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: the work of a Satanic cult, and likely related to 373 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: the previous killing of Joy and Natasha detectives, who said 374 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: Canotse and Ben Boyson, on the other hand, both believe 375 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: that an under resourced police department coupled with the nationwide 376 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: fear of the occult often resulted in a rush to judgment, 377 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: and that dynamic resulted in poor police work, especially when 378 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: a crime aligned so neatly with the biases born of 379 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: their imagined fears. 380 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: The two invesiguiding officers working on the chist concentrated more 381 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: on the Syitanism side, and they totally lost focus on 382 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: the actual murders that needs to be investigated, which actually, yes, 383 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: it was part of the story, but that wasn't why 384 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: the murders took place. 385 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 2: The yager argued that there should have been more blood 386 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: on the scene, given the brutality of Ben Dixon's wounds. 387 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: He was saying, no, there was a lot of blood, 388 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: and the blood just went Missy, where's all the blood? 389 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: The Yager told his team that whoever committed this murder 390 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: must have consumed the blood, a clear mark of ceremony. 391 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: So then he said, no, no, no, no, somebody must 392 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: have drank it. 393 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: The police worked earnestly with the yager's theory that this 394 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: was the grizzly act of satan worshiping blood drinkers. However, 395 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: Detective Susette thought it was obvious where the blood had gone. 396 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: Now that person is laying on the grass. So it 397 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: went into the grass and sorted by the gross us 398 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: that is where it went. Nobody drank it. 399 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: In other words, all the satanism stuff was nothing more 400 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: than a powerful distraction. 401 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: You have to follow facts. 402 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 7: The facts was right in front of them, but their 403 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 7: attention was drawn to sensation, dragging their attention in the 404 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 7: sensational route, and you can't investigate like that. 405 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: Ben Poison, also looking at this retroactively, agrees that this 406 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: was a huge mistake. 407 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 6: And that's why the twenty twelve meters were never solved. 408 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: They were investigating satanism. 409 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 2: Satanism is not a crime. You investigate the crime. So 410 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: clearly the police started off on the wrong track. In fact, 411 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: they began to suspect that it was actually Ria who 412 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 2: is behind it all. 413 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 6: I regarded Riochronvode is also a person that just was 414 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 6: legitimate and just wanted to help the people and assist 415 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 6: the people. But because all of the these things that 416 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 6: escalated at the latest stage, I also became suspicious of According. 417 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: To Reginald Ben Dixon's phone records, Rhea had an appointment 418 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: with him on the day he was murdered. When the 419 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 2: police confronted her about this, she said it must be 420 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: the Satanists impersonating her, and that's when she decided to 421 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: find a lawyer. Because of this scheduled meeting and the 422 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: fact that she was connected to both Reginald Ben Dixon 423 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: and Natasha Berger, Rhea now officially became the primary suspect. 424 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: They reached out to Ria's old mentor fhavinga for comment 425 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: havinga mentions a Colonel X here he means colonel the yager. 426 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 8: I got a colonel from the SIPs contacting me who said, listen, 427 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 8: I need to speak to you. There's been murders. It's 428 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 8: occult related. It's in Krugerdosdorp area, connected to overcomers in 429 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 8: christ And I say, whoao overcomers in Christ? Yes, Krnival 430 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 8: And you know it was that moment. It was that shock, 431 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 8: it was that disbelief. 432 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: No, this gon't be when we spoke to him, there 433 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: was still an open investigation into police misconduct, thus our 434 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: use of Colonel X. More on that post mortem investigation 435 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: in a later episode. At this moment in time, havinga 436 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: knew right away that the police must be barking up 437 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: the wrong tree. They were ignoring the facts that were 438 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: staring them in the face, preferring to focus on the 439 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: illusions from a now antiquated satanic panic. I say to. 440 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 8: Colonel x'sit, Colonel X, your suspect is Cecilia Stein. Please 441 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 8: follow her, kick her. That's your man suspect. 442 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: But the yager wasn't convinced of Rhea's innocence until it 443 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: became clear as day. Rhea's new lawyer told her to 444 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: document her whereabouts every day so that moving forward, she 445 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: could always prove her innocence. But right after Ben Dixon's murder, 446 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: the police confiscated Rhea's cell phones, hard drives, and laptop, 447 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: disconnecting Riha from the world. 448 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 6: A big breakthrough came when on the morning of fest 449 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 6: at Ben Dixon's funeral. 450 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: Ria woke up on the morning at pastor Reginald Ben 451 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: Dixon's funeral. She stepped out onto her porch and felt 452 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: the sun on her face. She looked down and found 453 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: a parcel waiting at her feet. 454 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 6: Ria found me and she said that she found a 455 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: beckage in front of a door. Beckage was repped. It 456 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 6: was some sort of meat. 457 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: Rhonnfolded the damn newspaper. Inside was a large chunk of 458 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: bloody meat. 459 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 6: Pinned to it was another note leta written in blockwoods, 460 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 6: look what the doggies lift you've of Richel something to 461 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 6: that effect. 462 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: The note read, look what the dogs have left you 463 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: of your precious past her. The detectives now had to 464 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: let go of their pet theories that either Satanists or 465 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: Rhea were to blame for the murders. Now they were 466 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: forced to consider the case with fresh eyes. On top 467 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: of that, the haphazard criminals from EPD had fumbled again. 468 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 6: Fingerprints was found on the letta that repped this piece 469 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 6: of meats. 470 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: Once again, police found fingerprints. 471 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 6: I took the fingerprints, and the fingerprints indeed belonged to 472 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 6: Moderndas think. 473 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: Then Vic took the opportunity to bring in everyone he 474 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: could from EPD. The police had all of them in custody, 475 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: even Secilia. But despite all the evidence and the possible 476 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: motives pointing to Mirinda and Cecilia as the culprits, both 477 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: were released from police custody. In fact, all the members 478 00:31:50,920 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: of EPD were let off the hook. Before we go, 479 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: there is one other police officer you should know about. 480 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: He didn't work on this case, at least not in 481 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: the way the others did. But he is the reason 482 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Ben Dixon's attackers wore police uniforms, the reason Cecilia was 483 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: never worried about them getting caught. 484 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 5: She was extremely confident that nothing will happen to them. 485 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: She was constantly telling them, don't worry. We know the cops. 486 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: They will do nothing. 487 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 5: Don't worry about it. 488 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: This other officer, his name was drees Stein and he 489 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: was Cecilia's husband. 490 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: Even just see us responsor to the police, So do 491 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: you trust? 492 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Queen Havoc. 493 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: She came to realize God will never ask you to 494 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: murder anybody. 495 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: So that there was styles where they used to study. 496 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: She likes to provoke. Then again said when. 497 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: She said she's going to the police thing the publix, 498 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: she ended. 499 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 6: Up date the batting, the read board, the wall and 500 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 6: the roof was full of blood. 501 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: Queen Havoc in Her Murder Cult is a production of 502 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and 503 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takini, 504 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: Julia Chriscau and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau. 505 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock. 506 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing, 507 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are 508 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: DaShan Moodley and Jermaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Melman, 509 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, 510 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Brind Stein was read by 511 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: Angelique Pretorius. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, L. C. Crowley, 512 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: Brandon Barr, Jennifer t Keeney and Kurt Kubachak. We want 513 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: to thank all of those who so generously welcomed us 514 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful 515 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: to you all We also want to acknowledge how traumatic 516 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: these events are for the victims and their families. Please 517 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: respect their privacy. If you or someone you know has 518 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: been affected by cult behaviors, there are resources available, including 519 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: Voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot com.