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Speaker 1: for episode number sixty eight of the Mets Stub podcast.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm your cost draftneck mark Mark, you know,

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Speaker 1: here with James cianojter no Range talking about the New

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Speaker 1: York Mets and while there still is no baseball, we

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Speaker 1: actually have some things to talk about here. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a long episode, but what we got for you,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go in depth because that's what we always do.

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Speaker 1: We got Jeff McNeil trade rumors. Pat Ragazzo Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: looking to get him. So that's a big conversation going

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Speaker 1: on right now in Mets world. And then ben Zosmer.

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Speaker 3: Right z osmer Zasmer Osmer.

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Speaker 1: Zosmer z Osmer, the guy who's the analytical genius, the

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Speaker 1: been promoted to assistant GM, which is pretty exciting stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we'll go deep into ben Zousmer and break him

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Speaker 1: down a little bit too, because I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 1: of you Mets fans are wondering who is this guy?

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Speaker 2: What's he all about?

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Speaker 1: So James, let's bring you in here. How you feeling

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Speaker 1: after you know you're about with COVID.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I mean I had those really couple of

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Speaker 3: rough days that really actually surrounded the recording of the

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Speaker 3: which was kind of funny looking back, but I was okay.

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Speaker 3: Now went back to my parents. I broke the quarantine

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Speaker 3: Ben's asmer having no background in baseball, lifelong baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I thought he was literally just like this

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Speaker 1: like math fiend that they brought in both are true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so he was a baseball.

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Speaker 1: Fan, yeah, playing. Do we know if he played at all?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so give us a little breakdown on Zosmer. We

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Speaker 3: Like Harvard graduate, as Mark mentioned before, got his degree

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Speaker 3: He's applying mathematics like things that we don't even think

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Speaker 3: And this is kind of a thing that's like in

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Speaker 1: No, they're that Dodgers clubhouse, fantasy football everything. They're incredibly competitive.

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Speaker 3: just like talked to zousmer in passing, because when you're

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Speaker 3: And they actually became a pretty successful team after that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they won a championship. The article I

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Speaker 3: Like he's written a book. He's been featured in The

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Speaker 1: Well, what's so funny is his Twitter is entirely dedicated

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Speaker 1: We have our NERD. We've been looking for this guy.

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Speaker 3: We nerd. We have our NERD. Can't lose him. Don't

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Speaker 1: Just keep paying him, keep giving him upgrades. Whatever it

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Speaker 3: I've never used this term to describe like another adult male,

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Speaker 3: which is simply just Steamer. It shows him still being

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Speaker 3: They're currently on Steamer projections right now, only seven second

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Speaker 1: Then, And two of those seven guys that you listed

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Speaker 3: No, And there's a lot of teams that could use

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Speaker 3: So that's not major money, but that's just more money

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Speaker 1: I feel like the money thing is a lot less

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Speaker 3: it's only going to make three mili this year, five

433
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Speaker 3: mill next year, probably eight a nine mili the year

434
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Speaker 3: after that, but it's still something.

435
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, this is the outside looking in,

436
00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like the thing that's hurting mcneil' strade

437
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,160
Speaker 1: value the most right now. Like besides, last year kind

438
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,240
Speaker 1: of got exposed a little bit for like, again, we

439
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's that bad, but there were some things

440
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,920
Speaker 1: that we're concerning with offensive game last year, especially with

441
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Speaker 1: how like team shifted against him and he just couldn't

442
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,879
Speaker 1: get hits when they were shifting like that, because we

443
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Speaker 1: know how he hits the ball on the ground a lot.

444
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Speaker 1: But I think just the fact that the Mets are

445
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Speaker 1: making it so open that they want to trade Jeff McNeil,

446
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,640
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, here's a guy that we don't want.

447
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,960
Speaker 1: What are you gonna give us for him? Well, you

448
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,600
Speaker 1: don't want him, so you're we're not gonna give you

449
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Speaker 1: nearly as much. I really do think maybe that's a

450
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Speaker 1: little like old school thinking or a little naive of me,

451
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Speaker 1: but like it seems like when you were just openly

452
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Speaker 1: talking about a guy you don't want on your team

453
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Speaker 1: or you're looking to trade, what incentive would teams really

454
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Speaker 1: have to be aggressive in what they offer you when

455
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Speaker 1: you seemingly are trying to find people to take him

456
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Speaker 1: from you.

457
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Speaker 3: That is an incredibly good point. I think that is

458
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Speaker 3: relevant when you look at how teams value a certain players,

459
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Speaker 3: especially because the biggest reason seems like the Mets do

460
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 3: want to dump McNeil is for internal issues. You know, like,

461
00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,200
Speaker 3: this is a guy who for the first two hundred

462
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Speaker 3: and fifty games of his career from twenty eighteen through

463
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, basically one basically complete season, two partial

464
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Speaker 3: seasons just because of how things worked out. He had

465
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,120
Speaker 3: a one for the WRC, plus he was worth eight

466
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Speaker 3: point six four and he had eight to eighty four ohps.

467
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 3: Like you see those three things over two hundred and

468
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Speaker 3: fifty games. This profiles is one of the better offensive

469
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Speaker 3: players literally in all of baseballs. Here, Like, why would

470
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 3: this guy be traded? Why would the Mets signed while

471
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Speaker 3: of the West Cobar for ten million dollars when it's

472
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 3: not really an exact fit? You know, why are they

473
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Speaker 3: steadfast about keeping around JD. Davis who doesn't really have

474
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Speaker 3: good trade value, but doesn't have like negative trade value,

475
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Speaker 3: you know, like you can get like a medium release

476
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 3: pitcher probably for JD. Davis, who play your cards right.

477
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Speaker 3: But then you look at what happened with Jeff McNeil

478
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 3: last year, and it kind of looks like that the

479
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 3: Mets have been looking for a way out of this

480
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 3: for maybe longer than we think. Again, he only played

481
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Speaker 3: five innings at third base. That was something we thought

482
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Speaker 3: he could do. The Mets clearly don't think he can.

483
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 3: He had some minor issues at second base, including communication

484
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 3: with Francisco Lindoor that culminated in an actual fight, which

485
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 3: rarely happens for baseball teams. He was injured and he

486
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: has I want to say he's been injury prone his career,

487
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,479
Speaker 3: but definitely seems like he's been injured more than most guys.

488
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 3: Like there's so this happened to him. Jeff was also

489
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 3: one of the players who at the beginning of the

490
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 3: season we knew was not vaccinated and it wasn't mentioned anymore.

491
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Speaker 3: But the Mets did never reach that threshold, so there's

492
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Speaker 3: a chance that he wasn't not speculating hip hop, you know,

493
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 3: And also it's not really our business whether someone was

494
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 3: vaccinated or not, but the Mets again were one of

495
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 3: those teams, and teams last year had different rules on

496
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: what they could do outside of the games when they

497
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Speaker 3: were on the road depending on whether they hit the

498
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Speaker 3: vaccination threshold or not. The Mets were not one of

499
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Speaker 3: those teams. He also got really mad all the time.

500
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 3: He's done this his whole career, Like it's hard to

501
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Speaker 3: be a baseball player and have these major peaks and

502
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 3: valleys with your emotions, Like everyone could probably see that

503
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: just by watching him. And he just couldn't really hit

504
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: last year and it didn't really make that much sense why.

505
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Speaker 3: And something else that came out was that he was

506
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Speaker 3: a little big cavalier with the shifts. And this is

507
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Speaker 3: something we just talked about ben z Ausmer, that the

508
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 3: Mets were one of the teams wh shifted the most

509
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 3: in baseball, and apparently rumor has it that Jeff mheil

510
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 3: wasn't the most thrilled about that, and that's not really

511
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 3: something that other teams would like when a guy is

512
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 3: doing his own thing out there than with the geniuses

513
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 3: are telling you to do. And then you had those

514
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: weird comments as Zach Scott made over the summer, that

515
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: some players again were being cavalier with shifting and then

516
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Speaker 3: also with the fitness and hydration programs that the Mets

517
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 3: were laying out for them, and not that it definitely

518
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: was Jeff, but not also that definitely wasn't. You kind

519
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: of put all these things together and it seems like

520
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: you can see a pattern that developed.

521
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were definitely some concerns about what was going

522
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: on with McNeil, you know, on the field as well

523
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: as off the field. The thing that always stuck out

524
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 1: with me was again the Lindor fight game, because we

525
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Speaker 1: all know what happened. At the absolute worst, there was

526
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: a choking out between the two and a pushing and shoving,

527
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: which is just so crazy to even say out loud.

528
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: But I was at this game, sitting in the was

529
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Speaker 1: it Pepsi corner? Is that what it's called now, the

530
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: co corner, Coca Cola corner, Pepsi corner, whatever it is,

531
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: was sitting there.

532
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: And what you guys didn't.

533
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Speaker 1: See on TV or even here on the radio however

534
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: you were taking in the game unless we were at

535
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: the field, was that McNeil kind of got in the

536
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Speaker 1: way of Lindor making a play right before that fight

537
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: happened in the in between the innings, and Lindor turned

538
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: around to center field and screamed fuck three times screamed it,

539
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, top of his lungs, to the point where

540
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Like that was so loud.

541
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: I heard it up here, and it.

542
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: Was because it seemed like McNeil got in the way.

543
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: And then crazy enough, the next half inning that's exactly

544
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Speaker 1: when all everything went down. There clearly is some sort

545
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say animosity because that makes

546
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: it seem like hate. But Jeff McNeil and Francisco Lindor

547
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: seemed to little be a little bit of a you know,

548
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: oil and vinegar here where it's just they don't mix

549
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: well whatsoever.

550
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: And I don't know, and vinegar is a great mix.

551
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't they do they mix?

552
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: Actually they do separate when you put them in the

553
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: thing together.

554
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, so they can be together, but

555
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: they will separate at sometimes. It does seem like they're

556
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of oil and vinegar right now. Because

557
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: Lindor is a happy go lucky guy. When he's struggling,

558
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a smile on his face no matter what.

559
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: When Jeff McNeil's playing, well, he's gonna be pissed off

560
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: no matter what.

561
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: We know it is.

562
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: He's a hard ass on These two guys don't get

563
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: along together. It seems like or are gonna have difficulties

564
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: at least meshing. And we see that Comfortable gonna be

565
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: out of the clubhouse right now.

566
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Speaker 2: He's not coming back.

567
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 1: It seems like with the Mets, they talked about when

568
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: Billy Eppler came in and bringing him Max Scherzer, that

569
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: they want to bring in this new attitude, this new

570
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: field to the clubhouse. They want a culture change, and

571
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: it feels like McNeil is kind of part of the

572
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: older culture that was with this Mets team of the

573
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Speaker 1: last few years, and not that he's expendable, because I

574
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Speaker 1: do think that the Mets are better with McNeil on

575
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: this team than without him, and I still want him

576
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: in New York. You know, biased as well, but I

577
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: don't know. To me, it feels like I wouldn't trade

578
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: him right now. But I understand why the Mets are

579
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I don't think they're crazy. It's just

580
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: not my choice. At the end of the day, they're

581
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: trying to keep Francisco Lindor happy if Lindor wants to

582
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: McNeil gone. Unfortunately, that's how it's gonna work. There's a

583
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Speaker 1: guy getting paid three hundred million dollars versus Jef McNeal

584
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: who's getting arbitration. You keep the guy you're paying thirty

585
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: million dollars a year happy.

586
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Speaker 2: It's it's tough.

587
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Speaker 1: It's not the move I would make, but I completely

588
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: understand why, which I hate.

589
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Speaker 3: I hate it. I agree with everything you're saying on

590
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Speaker 3: both sides to this coin. It also just can't be

591
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: underestimated how strange of a player. Jeff picknielt I talked

592
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: about the stats his first couple of years in the

593
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: league stats from before, and they were great, but he

594
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: also did in a pretty unconventional way, being kind of

595
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: this like spray hither without that much power. Besides, for

596
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: the rabbit Ball year that everybody had crazy power, and

597
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 3: again he WRC plus is something it takes everyone's stats

598
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: into account. He was still well above average that year,

599
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: one of the best players in baseball. But this is

600
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 3: still a guy who just like never really hit the

601
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: ball particularly hard and has constantly been going through this

602
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: identity crisis at to play based on whether he wanted

603
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: to be like more of a contact guy and more

604
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: of a power guy. And he's still always been a

605
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: contact guy, because he still has like one of the

606
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: lowest care rates in baseball every single year he's been

607
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: in the league, including twenty twenty one, one of the

608
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: highest contact rates of any guy in the league since

609
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: against he's been in the league, including twenty twenty one,

610
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 3: some of the highest slugging percentages for guys in his

611
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Speaker 3: like range of contact of anyone in baseball besides twenty

612
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Speaker 3: twenty one, because that was the big difference that happened

613
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: last year. But Jeff's never had a fly ball rate

614
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: over forty percent is trended down since his rookie year.

615
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: I mean like he's just kind of an old school

616
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: player getting caught up right now in the way baseball's

617
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: changing and whether or not he wants to change. And

618
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: we see it at times during the year where there's

619
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Speaker 3: a conscious effort that McNeil is trying to hit the

620
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: ball in the air or or trying to drive the

621
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: ball more. Even in twenty twenty during the quarantine, I

622
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: remember seeing him at City Field in those games, and

623
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: he was higher up in his stance, he was taller,

624
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: he was finishing higher as well. He was clearly trying

625
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: to hit the ball with some more lift. And then

626
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: even in twenty twenty one, you saw him go through

627
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: times like this and shout out to me. I pointed

628
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: it out to him, and he apparently made a change

629
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: because of what he saw from me. So that was cool.

630
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Speaker 1: But he's going through these different phases and these different

631
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: stances and trying to change everything, and it kind of

632
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: all culminated into twenty twenty one, which is why there

633
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: was so much inconsistency as play, as well as the

634
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: fact that he was dealing with that soft tissue injury.

635
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: That you mentioned with the hamstring. It was just kind

636
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: of a bad year for him, a little bit of

637
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: a nightmare. So it's like, do you get rid of

638
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: a guy because we saw him kind of at his worst.

639
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: But like, I also don't think that most teams in

640
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: baseball are gonna think about Jeff MacNeil's his worst, because

641
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: if you like pull back the curtains on what Jeff

642
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: McNeil did last year, there was a lot of good

643
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 3: or at least a lot of the same. He hit

644
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: the hardest ball of his career last year, one hundred

645
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: and eight point three miles an hour. While that's not

646
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: the elite range, is better than anything he's ever done,

647
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: so you could think that maybe something's happening there. And

648
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: again we talk about the shift hurting Jeff McNeil, but

649
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: his wOBA against the shift was better than not against

650
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: the shift, So it seems like he's still finding a

651
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: way to get hits within the shift. And like his

652
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen was the outlier. We've said that a few times,

653
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: but if you take that out and you look at

654
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen twenty twenty, which again there were both sixty

655
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 3: game samples just for whatever reasons, they were like his

656
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: eggs of velossi and fly balls in the line drives

657
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: are basically the same. His expected wOBA was still the same,

658
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: most of his other expected stats were still the same.

659
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: This was just a guy who was overachieving on those

660
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: expected stats and last year underachieved on them. But like

661
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 3: the true talent seems like it's kind of level, and

662
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: that I think is how other teams are going to

663
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: value Jeff McNeil. That is why, again, I think that

664
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: this is a lazy take when people think that we're

665
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: trading him after his worst production, because Major League Baseball

666
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: teams are not looking at his RBIs a batting average,

667
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: and that's what they're trading for. They're trading for his

668
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: projections and his expected stats because that's what they're using internally.

669
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: So then why would the Mets want to trade him though, Because,

670
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: like you, you seemingly have to get a piece back

671
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: that is going to improve your team more than having

672
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: him there. And I feel like right now, I mean,

673
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: Robinson Cano seems to be like our other second basement

674
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: if it's not Jeff McNeil and Escobar, and Escobar is

675
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to play third base right now?

676
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: Based on what we've got.

677
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: So it's like we're relying on a thirty nine year

678
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: old second basement coming off of a steroid suspension. So

679
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: who knows if he's gonna be able to go for

680
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: a full year one swing of the bat, Like I

681
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I love having the insurance of Jack McNeil

682
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: and the fact that, like he was probably gonna get

683
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty five hundred at bats anyway, just

684
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: because of his versatility and positions. I don't like weakening

685
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: our depth if we're not gonna actually really improve, Like

686
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to get worse on the offensive side

687
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: to get better on pitching. But it ends up being

688
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: like a medium zero, like there's actually no change.

689
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: And that is possible. We can't really know that until

690
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: this lockout ends and the Mets have a shot to

691
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 3: go after other free agents or other players in trades,

692
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: because probably easier to upgrade a second base and there's

693
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: the upgrade starting pitcher, Like that's something that I feel

694
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: like in Corner rouleh Field, as we saw the Mets

695
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: do already, Like that's something that's pretty obvious across the

696
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: major League Baseball market. And also I think there is

697
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: just a world I think it's like a pretty strong

698
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: chance that we've seen Jeff McNeil's best season like that

699
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen will probably never be replicated. Yeah, I don't think.

700
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: I think that's also not fair to Jeff because he

701
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: was so good that year and there were so many

702
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: other things at play, like he was hit leadoff most

703
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: of the year, the Met's lineup was pretty fucking good

704
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: for most of the year, that ball was insane, the

705
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: Mets got crazy hot, he got really hot, like a

706
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: lot of things happened. But there's also this world where

707
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: the projections might be over selling Jeff McNeil because those

708
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: projections are using the production from years that might not

709
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: be able to be replicated by Jeff. And a lot

710
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: of that does have to do with the way teams

711
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: are shifting him. And I did mention a few minutes

712
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: ago that his wobot was better against the shift than not.

713
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: But I do think that maybe Savant isn't fully capturing

714
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: all the shifts against Jeff McNeil, and that we all

715
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: as fans and us as podcasters and content creators in

716
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: general kind of have to maybe reimagine the way that

717
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: we perceive shifts because Jeff is being shifted twice as

718
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: much compared to when he was a rookie in twenty eighteen,

719
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: and last year he was shifted over fifty percent of

720
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: the time in general, which is a massive jump for

721
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: a guy who has been heralded as this all field

722
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: spray hitter, contact guys. So that to me makes me

723
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: think that teams have figured out something that really hasn't

724
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: become public yet, you know. And if you look at

725
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: the shifts that teams are playing against Jeff McNeil, they're

726
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: not always the market shift, where the second basement's in

727
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: the hall, the third basements are shortstop and the player's

728
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: up the middle. Most of what's happened Jeff McNeil shift

729
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: wise has happened to the opposite field. Teams have adjusted

730
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: the way they're playing him in the third base, the

731
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: left field third basement are playing much further back, and

732
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: left fielders are playing much further in, and that's taking

733
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: away an alley that Jeff McNeil used very well his

734
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: first couple years in league when he's very successful. He

735
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: loved getting those cheap doubles and those good singles out

736
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: out against the field right there, dropping them in front

737
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: of the left field, theer's putting them behind third basement

738
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: or putting them just where the third basement wasn't because

739
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: they were playing shortstop, because they were using extended shift.

740
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: So that area has shrunk dramatically, and I think that's

741
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: what or Jeff is losing most of his base hits.

742
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: That's why his badbit dropped fifty points between twenty twenty

743
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. And you even watch him last year

744
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: and you see that there are so many base hits

745
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: that seem like they were taken away that really shouldn't

746
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: have been. That defenders is basically playing exactly where they

747
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: know he's putting the ball. So now you're in a

748
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: situation where you have a guy who's turning thirty, who's

749
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: dealt with soft tissue injuries, who has to either put

750
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: the ball over the fence more frequently in a ballpark

751
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: that doesn't really allow that, or he has to put

752
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: the ball in play at different spots. So the question

753
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: is whether you want to bet on that or bet

754
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: on the fact that you're getting with this perceived as

755
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: being the lowest value guy's ever been, but possibly the

756
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: highest it will ever be in a trade. And that's

757
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: kind of why I think that a trade makes more

758
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: sense than maybe some Mets fans think.

759
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's a pretty fair breakdown

760
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: of it, though, Like if you're on the side, because

761
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm still, you know, on the side, I don't want

762
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: to trade Jeff McNeil. I have my personal bias as

763
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: well as I just think he's going to be valuable.

764
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's a lot of Met fans out

765
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: there who think you'd be batshit crazy. I don't know

766
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: if we're in that level.

767
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't think Jeff McNeill is not valuable. I think

768
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: Jeff McNeill is a very important part of this team,

769
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: and I think that he will hold plenty of value

770
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: next year. Is the guy who's going to be a

771
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: plus defender in multiple positions and a guy who's gonna

772
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: hit enough to probably be above average with the bat.

773
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: I just don't think we're ever going to see the

774
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: one fifty WRC plus Jeff McNeil return, the three twenty

775
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: batting averag Jeff McNeil return. And I think that is

776
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: where a lot of Mets fans are right now on

777
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: Twitter with this argument. I don't think there's a lot

778
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: of nuance happening in the Jeff McNeil trade argument. That's

779
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: shocking that the people on Twitter don't have a lot

780
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: of nuance in their trade discussions. But I just feel

781
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: like that's kind of where we are, and that's where

782
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 3: I'm having the issue. Like I would love to keep

783
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: Jeff macnial, but I also think there's a world where

784
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: we can trade him and help this team out in

785
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: a good way.

786
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you listed a couple teams here, and we

787
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: were talking about the last few days about like who

788
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: could take him. It's crazy because we talk about like

789
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: around the league, they probably know he is a good

790
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: player and that there is going to be a use

791
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: for him.

792
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: But there's also only a few.

793
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: Teams that really we can make a move with because

794
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: of the matchup of players and who we would even want.

795
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: It's so right now his trade market.

796
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the issue is just that we have to

797
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: trade Jeff McNeil while also being competitive, Like you can

798
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: trade Jeff McNeil, I'm sure for some prospects and be

799
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: pretty good. The Marlins just got just traded the former

800
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: first round pick who was a one hundred and thirty

801
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: WRC plus guy, Cameron Meisner, Missner. I don't know how

802
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: you say it for Joey Wendall, who's a full notch

803
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: below Jeff McNeil. But like, if that's the kind of

804
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: minor leaguers being traded for Joey Wendall, I'm sure you

805
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: can get two guys like that or one guy even

806
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: better for Jef McNeil. But the Mets want to get

807
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: major league talent back, and who the fuck wants especially

808
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: pitching in general, And who the fuck wants to get

809
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: a second base corner outfielder who has an unstable offensive

810
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: profile for starting pitching? Who everyone needs starting pitching. You

811
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: want to compete, you need like seven to eight reliable

812
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: starting pitchers. Like that's what makes this difficult, and that's

813
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: why the trade seems less likely, not so much as

814
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: the talent matching up, but more so the needs matching up.

815
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of the teams they have listed here,

816
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's roll through them real quick, and I'll

817
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: let you break them down a little bit more. Got A's,

818
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: reds Brewers, Blue Jays, Red Sox. And it's like it's

819
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: the group of teams that are competitive or trying to

820
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: be competitive, but also have a hole that they could

821
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: fill with Jeff McNeil, because like the Dodgers realistically are

822
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: not making a trade that they could because they're the Dodgers.

823
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: But like realistically they'll just fill it in with someone cheaper,

824
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: like you said. But like even then, like the Red Sox,

825
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: like who do we get from the Red side.

826
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: That's why the Red Sox the fift team. I listened,

827
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: and yeah, we should go probably based on the highest

828
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: probability the lowest probability, and I see the A's and

829
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: the Reds as being the team's with highest probability. But

830
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: those two teams can knock themselves right out of the

831
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: running just based on the fact that they might just

832
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: be tearing the whole thing down. Like these two teams

833
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: don't really do that. They love hanging out in that

834
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: like seventy five to eighty win range and seeing if

835
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: something good Mets range, yeah, the way the Mets used

836
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: to be, the poor range, the poor competitive range. Yes,

837
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: where you want to see what you have and if

838
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: things break right, then you jump in like you kind

839
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: of just wadhe in the pool for the first two

840
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: months of the season. Then you see where your projections

841
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: line you up. After you actually have some some you know,

842
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: some production that is laid out for you and you

843
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: can see it like on first hand. And the A's

844
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense just because they have two

845
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: pitchers with one year remaanding on their contract who are

846
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: in that middling range where the A's would like to

847
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: trade them and also see if they can replace them

848
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: un the cheap. And those two guys are Sean and

849
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: I and Chris Bassett because again, they've never really torn

850
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: it all the way down under Billy Bean So and

851
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna there's rumors that they're going to be moving

852
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: to a new city with a new stadium in the

853
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: next collection of the years. So there's no reason that

854
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: they would want to be like horrifically bad. And they

855
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: still have a lot of decent pieces there to where

856
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: they can be mildly competitive as a playoff team, like

857
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: what four of the last five years through the last

858
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: five years, like, there's still a lot of things there

859
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: that are good. And Manai is gonna cost them ten

860
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: mili this year, he's one year away from free agency.

861
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: Jeff's gonna be like three year, twelve million dollar player,

862
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: and the A's do have a massive need between second

863
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: base and corner of outfield, so he makes a lot

864
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: of sense. Same thing with Chris bast He's gona be

865
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: a little bit cheaper than men I. He's also probably

866
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: a little bit better than Mani, So you might have

867
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: to give McNeil and some prospect that doesn't matter to

868
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: get him.

869
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially to like with the A's, if

870
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna treatment I or Bassett like the idea of

871
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: like they would probably if they're trying to do this rebuild,

872
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: like McNeil's kind of not that guy. But even then,

873
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: like you trade Manaiah, let's just say for McNeil, as

874
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: basic as that sounds, that trade wouldn't happen. But as

875
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: basic as happen, it's possible. Yeah, as basic as that is,

876
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: you at least then have McNeil, who then you could

877
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: flip to a team for prospects if you really want to.

878
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for

879
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: the A's either, I don't think.

880
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: No, definitely, And again the end of the day, the

881
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: A's will have upgraded one spot on their lineup. We

882
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: don't know whe Jeff McNeil's gonna play, but he's going

883
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: to be an upgrade over the worst hit in their

884
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: lineup right now, which who God knows who that is,

885
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: and Jad Pender jet Jack Pender is in decent projections.

886
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: But that's the most important thing for them, is that

887
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: they will have they have an obvious spot to upgrade.

888
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 3: But then the question is whether and then they'll also

889
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: be saving probably like eight to nine million dollars on

890
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: this year's payroll, which the A's love doing that more

891
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: than anything else. Their rich ass owner loves pocketing those

892
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: eight and nine million dollars a year. So that's something

893
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: that could make sense, But that only is if the

894
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: A's want to do the retooling rather than the rebuilding,

895
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: which is something that's done the past. That makes sense.

896
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: The Reds are another team who makes a lot of sense.

897
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: But I don't want anyone to think that we can

898
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: trade Jeff McNeil as a centerpiece for Luis Castillo. That

899
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: does not make any sense. The Louise cast is a

900
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: guy who's very well regarded with in baseball. Still, he

901
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: had a down year last year, similar to McNeil. Also, similarly,

902
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: similarly to McNeil, he's very valuable. He's still super good.

903
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: Like no one should think that we're buying low and

904
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo, that doesn't really exist in Major League baseball.

905
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: These teams are much smarter than we think.

906
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Luis Cassillo also, like we looked into his numbers,

907
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: if he played behind a defense that was someone competent,

908
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: he would look a lot better too, because the Red's

909
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: defense is just atrocious. He pitched a cold weather for

910
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: like a month and a half and that really and

911
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Yeah, and a ridiculous ballpark. Again, I didn't

912
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: misspeak last episode. Louis Castillo had the highest ground ball

913
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: rate in all of baseball, but he had ju Henio

914
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: Suarez playing shorts up on the bad days and Kyle

915
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: Farmer playing shorts up on the good days. Like, this

916
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: isn't really a good defense behind him. We get Lindor

917
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: and I don't leave. Actually, the Mets infield defense does

918
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: even look great right now, so we get Lindor alone

919
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: is a huge upgrade.

920
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: The upgrade and shifting and fifty percent shifts like that

921
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: will do wonders for Louis Castillo. But you probably have

922
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: to include Ryan Maurisio and Jeff McNeil if you want

923
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: to get Louis Castillo and some Mets fans will slap

924
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: me in the face for saying that, but that is

925
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: the truth. Like, that's how you get Louis Castillo. He's

926
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: a premier player. So the other option there becomes Sonny Gray,

927
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: who is similar to Mania and Bastards because he's on

928
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: a one year deal right now with a club option

929
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty three, and also which is cheap cheap.

930
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: He's You're looking at like twenty four million dollars for

931
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: these two years, and that's only because Sonny Gray has

932
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: some hysterical bonuses for that club option. He gets one

933
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars each for whether he throws one hundred

934
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: and fifty hundred and sixty hundred and seventy one eight

935
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: or one ninety innings, he gets one million, just straight

936
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: up off the top. If he gets traded. He has

937
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: cy Young escalators, which I guess there's a world where

938
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: Sonny Gray could be top ten for cy Young, but

939
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: he has MVP escalators. Sonny Gray met conn extra two

940
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: million dollars in twenty twenty three if he wins the MVP.

941
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Next year, which seems like not enough.

942
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 3: See it seems like that should have been like twenty

943
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: million dollar escalator. He gets escalators again. I said, for

944
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: the innings pitch, he gets him ASO for an All

945
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: Star selection. That could that's something that could happen. But

946
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: these are pennies on the dollar with Steve Cohen. I

947
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: just thought it was funny that Sonny Gray is an

948
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: MVP escalator in his contract like Bryan, even though he's

949
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: not gonna win an MVP anytime soon.

950
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear I can hear Mets fans screaming

951
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Sonny Gray.

952
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: He's stunk with the Yankees, like he's a good picture.

953
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: He's a different guy.

954
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: Yanks didn't let him throw his best pitch, which was

955
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: a slider, which was didn't really make any sense.

956
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: It's made Larry Ross Child special.

957
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've also they also failed Lance Lin. So I

958
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: don't think it's a New York thing. I think it's

959
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: a Yankees' internal pitching development thing that has failed the

960
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: lastew years. It's also a Yankee stadium versus City field, like,

961
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: let's really, let's call spadea spay. Here is incredibly different

962
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: environments to pitch. It also the nleast versus the al least,

963
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: Like we can't be weird about this New York City

964
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: thing with Sonny Gray. It's really I think a Yankee thing.

965
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you also have the Brewers listed on here, which.

966
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Before that, like do the Reds want Jeff McNeil, Like

967
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? They had Johnsthanidy locked in

968
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: a second base. They have Heny Suarez while he was

969
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: off of the last two years, locked in very cheaply

970
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: at third base, not a short stop. And then they

971
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: also have our studies, Like he know, who's cheapest. Shit,

972
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: they probably want to get a look at. They have

973
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: Tyler Naked, who's cheap they want to get to look at.

974
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: They have to get Baker Winkers locked in left field

975
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. Nick Senzel, they have to give him

976
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: a shot if he's ever healthy again. Like there is

977
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: a question on whether they even want Jeff McNeil's skill

978
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: set and whether they would really do that for Sonny Gray.

979
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: You know, for Sonny Gray, you could probably get a

980
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: prospect who could be more controllable than jeffing neil with

981
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: a higher ceiling. So that's why McNeil's just a weird

982
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: guy to trade.

983
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like he doesn't have a spot in

984
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: that Reds team truly like he is better than Aristia Uzachino.

985
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: But like for the Reds, who aren't trying to be better,

986
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: they're just trying to have a competitive team. What do

987
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: they care about winning eighty two as opposed to seventy

988
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: nine games, Like.

989
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: There's no way the Reds can look at Jeff McNeil

990
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: versus Sonny Gray, So this makes our team better? What

991
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: they could say, if this gives us an extra eight

992
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: million dollars next year and extra nine million next year,

993
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: so we could do it for that reason, Like that's

994
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: what these trades are for these teams. You're taking money on,

995
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: you know.

996
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

997
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: And then in terms of the Brewers, I mean it's

998
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: again like a fit thing, like he doesn't he doesn't fit.

999
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: He really want to trade Homer's.

1000
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: Philosophy because they have shown like a clear willingness to

1001
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: just get players rather than seeing a fit Like last year,

1002
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: the Brewers didn't really need a second basement. And they

1003
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: still acquire Culton Wong, who's fine, He's gonna be about

1004
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: league average with the bat and plus with a glove.

1005
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: But there's a reason that McNeil's better than Culton Wong,

1006
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: and he would be a good platoon partner for him.

1007
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Same with Hunter Renfro, who comes in as a pretty

1008
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: good player, but he's still a right handed hither and

1009
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: I think having a lefty to mix in with him

1010
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: would make a lot of sense. And they're also like

1011
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna give a live at bats to either Raley

1012
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: tell As their kessen Heerer at first who neither of

1013
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: them I think really profiles being very good players. Renfro

1014
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: can play first base, So there's a way for Jeff

1015
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: McNeil to get basically the same role he would have

1016
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: this year with the Mets. With the Brewers, who again

1017
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: have shown to want to do that with players, they

1018
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: just want to bring in talent rather than have an

1019
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: obvious fit for them because they're actively trying to win

1020
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: a World Series. They want one of the best rotations

1021
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: in baseball. He makes a lot of sense for them.

1022
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: But I think that the trade pieces that Jeff mcnill

1023
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: brings back from the Brewers and make Mets fans want

1024
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: to choke me out because you're looking at Eric Lower

1025
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: and Adrian Hauser and like that is actually what makes

1026
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: sense in the swap for Jeff McNeil. Maybe you get

1027
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: a relief pitcher on top of that, similarly to how

1028
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: they trade the JP fire rise in Andrew rasbrius Mussen

1029
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: last year for Willie Damas. But like you want to

1030
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: get Haither, you gotta throw a big time prospect on

1031
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: top of him too, you know, And that's a reliever

1032
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: that's not a star of the Met's real need is

1033
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: a starter.

1034
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, those would be the guy's

1035
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: houses pretty good and lower is boring but good.

1036
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, lowerd probably projects a little bit better than Houser.

1037
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: Both of those guys are eating one hundred and four

1038
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: the innings next year, and that'll be that's pretty valuable.

1039
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: You put them in city field, they can let fly

1040
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: balls be allowed all day long, and you want to

1041
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: get even maybe, hey there, press Howser, you could probably

1042
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: give up McNeil plus Vano's and then you probably have

1043
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: to give up a pretty good prospect, like a solid prospect,

1044
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: but probably not someone on Mauricio's tier. And that's probably

1045
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: okay if you do Vento's plus some guy and like

1046
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: the Mets like back into the top ten, top fifteen,

1047
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: a lot younger guy with crazy upside, because the Brewers

1048
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: like that. It's just these trades aren't things that Mets

1049
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: fans want to here, but this is realistically what's gonna happen.

1050
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: And then again just quickly to end this up, you

1051
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: have two teams between the Blue Jays and the Red Sox,

1052
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: who definitely have a clear need for Jeff McNeil because

1053
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays have horrific offensive depth in general, as

1054
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: goes the top end of that team's offenses, it's dead.

1055
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: They don't even have They don't have one bench bat

1056
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: who is even projected to be within twenty percent of

1057
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: league average. They have two catchers projected on their bench

1058
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: right now as of roster resource.

1059
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of them is Reecee MacGuire, who's kind

1060
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: of bad at everything.

1061
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Really bad at everything. Yeah. And I know Santiago west

1062
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: Banal's your boy, but he's right now their every day

1063
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: their basement, and yeah, Cavin bigio is they're projecting second basement.

1064
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: This team, though, wasn't afraid to spend money, so I

1065
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: could really see them being involved with Kyle Seeger and

1066
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: Chris Bryant. But like McNeil for's story too, Yeah, Trevor

1067
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: story two, that would be such a sick move. And

1068
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: I've been calling Trevor story this offseason, Marcus sent me

1069
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: in for a few months. That'd be crazy for them,

1070
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 3: but they do make sense as a team who would

1071
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: very drastically upgrade with Jeff McNeil. You put him in

1072
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: that ballpark, around that lineup, you could really a lot

1073
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: of these teams. You put Jeff McNeil in a great

1074
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: American ballpark or Miller Park, you could really see a

1075
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: sick offensive season. You could probably see one adjustment from

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Speaker 3: these teams who've adjusted hit as well, giving Jeff McNeil

1077
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: a power that we have not been able to give him.

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00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: Seeing him become Daniel Murphy, which I saw some Mets

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00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: fans tell me, and I said I would trade him

1080
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: the other day, which I don't think that's true, but

1081
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't think it's impossible. But like

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00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: who you're getting back from the Brewers, Blue Jays like

1083
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Ross stripling.

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00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we trade Jeff McNeil for a Ross stripling,

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to city field.

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00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm starting to write, Yeah, that would be upsetting. Like

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00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: I think Trent Thornton and Thomas Hatch both have like

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00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: kind of intriguing profiles, but I probably need those two

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00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: plus Ross trippling to make this even like remotely worth it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you say there too is like intriguing profiles.

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00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: It's like they they might be good, like you don't know, have.

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00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: Done things that could be good, but they're also both

1093
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: an injury prone and like not the most effective at

1094
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: the major league level. Thomas Hatch, I'm holding out four

1095
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: for years. This guy's gonna be a good baseball player,

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00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: I know for a fact. But this is now getting

1097
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: into the same range that we got like Sean Reid,

1098
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: Foley and Yancds from the Blue Jays last year, where

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00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: you get guys who are gonna fill roles but there's

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00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: no sexiness about it, and that the Mets did wind

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00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: up definitely losing that trade because Steven Match wounds up

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00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: being a pretty solid pitcher over an extended period of

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00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: time last year. Same goes for the Red Sox, like

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00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: they could definitely use another guy in that like second base,

1105
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: outfield platoon with Key k, Jaron Duran and JBJ but

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00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: it's not obviously McNeil, and they don't have an obvious

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00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: starting pitcher to give back to us. They don't even

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00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: have enough starting pitchers to field a real team. They

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00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: have the weirdest rotation I've seen in all of baseball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're a met fan and you hear

1111
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: us talking about the Red Sox here, I swear to God,

1112
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: if I see you talk about Tanner Hawk being traded

1113
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: for Jefferson, absolutely no way.

1114
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna punch you.

1115
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: That guy's going nowhere. Tanner Hawk is locked up.

1116
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: Sam goes for Nate Pearson with the Blue Jays got

1117
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: These are not the types of guys. The team's trade

1118
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: for Jeff mcnil. Pearson is slightly more likely because he's

1119
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: been not good for years, but the stuff is still

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00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: like incredible, and the Blue Jays just be stupid to

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00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: give upbout him, especially the way they've been developing pitchers

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: who came from external organizations in the last few years.

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Speaker 3: So this is just like what it looks like for McNeil,

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Speaker 3: because I'm assuming a competitive team is gonna want and

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Speaker 3: upgrade on their offense, like maybe a shit team like

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Speaker 3: the Pirates or the Orioles or the Angels who could

1127
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 3: easily use a second basement. But do this, But who

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00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: are you getting from them? Why would they even want him?

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00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't, it doesn't. It's hard to find the trade

1131
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: partner for Jeff McNeil. If you want major league talent back,

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00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: that's the problem.

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00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of the problem we're running into is

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00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: what do we get back for Jeff McNeil, Because if

1135
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: you are moving them, you gotta get something back, and

1136
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: the possibilities are kind of limited, they're kind of kind

1137
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: of tight.

1138
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the day we got

1139
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: we went to this whole half hour rigmarole about Jeff

1140
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: McNeil's current value, his future value, what he gets back

1141
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: in the trade. You have to look at it and

1142
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: says does this actually help the Mets on the field,

1143
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: And it really just might not. And if the Mets

1144
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: do make one of these trades, we'll know for certain

1145
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: that this locker room stuff is more more serious that

1146
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: anybody has lived on. And if that's the case, then

1147
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: it might just be a move you have to make.

1148
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: But if that's not the case, like, I don't really

1149
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: see how these moves obviously improve the Mets more so

1150
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: than they can improve themselves by just signing a litany

1151
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: of free agent pitchers.

1152
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to think that the locker room stuff,

1153
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: while it was probably a problem give everybody another year.

1154
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: We come back spring training Kumbai, Ya. We had no baseball.

1155
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: We were all excited to be back. Jeff McNeil's playing well,

1156
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: and he's still a hardass, he's still crazy, but it's

1157
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: a little bit less because, you know, Francisco Indoors playing better.

1158
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: Now.

1159
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a little weight lifted off their shoulder because

1160
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: this team is just just better overall.

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00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being a little hopeful, maybe I'm trying to

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00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: see the light at the end of the tunnel, But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to move McNeil. I

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00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: think that the locker rooms think can't clubhouse can't be

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00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It can't be like it

1167
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: might be. I would hate to think that, but who knows.

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00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Who knows? Again, Francisco Indoor wins. Unfortunately, if you're a

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00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Jeff McNeil fan there, Francisco Indoor decides what happens.

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Speaker 3: And McNeil, at the end of the day is an

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00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 3: obscure talent who debuts the twenty six year old who's

1172
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: turning thirty next year. Like there's no reason that the

1173
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: Mets have been planning this entire organization around Jeff McNeil's

1174
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: production and we're just never gonna see twenty nineteen Jeff

1175
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: McNeil again. And like people are gonna like be mad

1176
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: at me for saying that, but that was just kind

1177
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: of like a lightning in a Bible situation. And again,

1178
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: like Jeff McNeil had more perceived trade value. I could

1179
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: trade them after that point, but no one's fucking trading

1180
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: Jeff McNeil after that spot. He had two more years

1181
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: making the minimum, and he was like this revelation within

1182
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: the Mets world. He was a ton of fun. I

1183
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: love Jeff McGill. He has provided some incredible Mets moments.

1184
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: That walk off home run, the home opener this year,

1185
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: like yep, Hunts is just a great late hits. He's

1186
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 3: been a guy who I don't know if stats back

1187
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: this up, but I feel like he's been moderately clutch,

1188
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: Like he's also a throwback. He's an old school guy.

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00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: I love to have him around you kind of like

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00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: having a couple of those contact oriented guys around a

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00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: team that strikes out a decent amount, even though the

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00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: Mets aren't gonna be that next year, which even might

1193
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: make it more expendable, but it's It's a guy who

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00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: we've grown to like over the last few years, and

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00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: it would be a shame to see him go for

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00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 3: what precedes as not equal value because of a clubhouse issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, I think that really

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00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: is what comes down to here. To sum up this

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Speaker 1: whole conversation about Jeff McNeil, if we're gonna move him,

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00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: which is very possib well, we have to get value

1201
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: back for him. Who's that value gonna be. Seriously, we

1202
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: have no clue whatsoever. There's not even an ounce of

1203
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: a rumor. And part of that's the lockout, of course,

1204
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: But the other part is it is a really hard

1205
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: guy to evaluate and what teams would give us back

1206
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: because of the situation the Mets are in, and because

1207
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: of the positions he plays, and because of who these

1208
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: teams that could even possibly take him aar in the

1209
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: position that they are, and the money in the play

1210
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: like it's so for Cocta, it's all over the place.

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Speaker 2: It's nuts.

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Speaker 1: For Cocta, it's all over the place. Luckily for us,

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00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: we don't have to come up with this. I would

1214
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: have a headache. I say it's all the time, but

1215
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I really it's a good problem. I guess the Mets

1216
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: have is trying to trade Jeff McNeil, which is is

1217
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of weird to say.

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00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: It is, but it's also just it's an obscure problem. Again,

1219
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: you're not gonna use them the trade for met Chablin

1220
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: unless you're trading multiple great prospects and you trade a

1221
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: lot to get him with Luis Castillo or Josh Hayther.

1222
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: This is just going to be a bit of an

1223
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: interesting situation. I want Mets fans to just fasten your

1224
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: seatbelts because you might not like the way it ends up.

1225
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: And again, don't crucify me for saying, maybe we should

1226
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: trade Jeff McNeil or maybe we like we Jeff McNeil

1227
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: for Adrian hows Er Eric Lauer makes sense because it

1228
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: doesn't make a little bit of sense. But just have

1229
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: an open mind and have a little bit, like take

1230
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of nuance in with this discussion, as

1231
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: because the only thing we talk about for the next three

1232
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 3: weeks because there's no baseball.

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00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's literally nothing else to talk about. Once we

1234
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: saw that news, we're like, all right, well we got

1235
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: something to talk about on the next podcast. There we

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Speaker 1: go and Honestly, that's it for this podcast, mets Up

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Speaker 1: Episode number sixty eight. Thank you guys for listening, Thank

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00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: amazing support. That's where we're wrapping it up. And uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you on episode number sixty nine.

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Speaker 3: Nice nice, see you guys next time. Thanks for Austen

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Speaker 1: The ne