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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey there everyone, and welcome to Forward Thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that looks at the future. It says, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels just like I'm walking on broken glass. I'm Jonathan Strickland,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren WelCom, and I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the three RS, but mainly recycling.

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<v Speaker 1>That's of course, reducing, reusing and recycling. We were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the future of trash and is recycling part of

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<v Speaker 1>that future and where does it play it's part and

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<v Speaker 1>how important is it and does it make sense? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And some of the answers are are might you know

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<v Speaker 1>they might surprise you. Um, it's not even across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it's something that's constantly changing due to our

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<v Speaker 1>improvements in the technology and processes. Let me guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>for hippies. You shouldn't do it, according to and teller, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what you should do is go out consuming. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>surprise me. They had a they had a show. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if I can actually say the title

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<v Speaker 1>of the show was was the name? That was the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the show? And um, and they had an

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<v Speaker 1>episode on recycling in which Pen in particular came down

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<v Speaker 1>very harshly on it. Yeah, well, I mean most of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And there there are certain arguments you can make against

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<v Speaker 1>recycling certain products. I think a lot of that again

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<v Speaker 1>will change over time due to improvements in tech and processes.

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<v Speaker 1>But to really, first of all, I mean, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what recycling is. Obviously, it's it's for those who

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<v Speaker 1>just have never heard the term Welcome to Earth. Recycling is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course taking material that you normally would just throw

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<v Speaker 1>away and and uh and breaking it down to be

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<v Speaker 1>reused in some form further down the line, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>to create more of the same product as what you

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<v Speaker 1>were currently using or something entirely different. I think part

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<v Speaker 1>of the key of understanding recycling is the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>there's some reprocessing involved, right, that it's not just reusing,

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<v Speaker 1>saying right, right, right, It's not taking a jar that

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<v Speaker 1>you've used and putting something different in it, hopefully after

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<v Speaker 1>you've washed it. Um that that would be reusing. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, if anyone comes over to my house for

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of party or whatever, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>drinking out of Mason jars, I'm not a hipster. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that I think that that's a cool thing. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just Southern and that's what you have. I buy a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pickled vegetables, and then I think I want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep using these jars, and so that's that's my

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<v Speaker 1>glassware for the most part. I mean it just it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to collect your urine for the apocalypse somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Well, I'll start on my urine later. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>collecting other people's right now. And it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot harder to convince people than I first expect,

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<v Speaker 1>like biometric falsification, yeah, or just throwing at aliens just

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<v Speaker 1>in case that happens to be their weakness. So recycling

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<v Speaker 1>has been has it has been used actually for for

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<v Speaker 1>for really for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>going going back to when people were making metal tools,

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<v Speaker 1>realized I don't really like this one. Let's melt it

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<v Speaker 1>down and make it again. Um, technically is recycling. Got

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<v Speaker 1>that tool or sword or etcetera. Right, Right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've if you folded in a thousand times and major

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<v Speaker 1>katana for your end of Days duel against the Kurgan,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, or if you just were, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to beat your swords into plashhairs, right, recycling. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but but really that's not you know, that's that's one

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<v Speaker 1>form of recycling, but it's not really what we think

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<v Speaker 1>of when we're talking recycling. It's not the industry level

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we've got going on today. Yeah, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a I mean, obviously there was a big push to

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<v Speaker 1>recycling back in the thirties and forties, right right, well

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<v Speaker 1>even even before that, around the turn of the century

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<v Speaker 1>is is when a bunch of industries started getting together

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<v Speaker 1>and um processing scraps. World War One was when this

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<v Speaker 1>became much more important because because because materials became so

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<v Speaker 1>scarce due to the global war efforts that uh, some

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<v Speaker 1>companies began rendering garbage to recover grease and make make

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<v Speaker 1>tankage out of the rest of it. Tankage being um

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<v Speaker 1>uh non fat related proteins, usually from from animal parts

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<v Speaker 1>that can be used for fertilizer um and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, the through through the nineteen thirties, during the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression here in America certainly, and hard economic times

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<v Speaker 1>in many other places, conservation recycling became so important due

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<v Speaker 1>to I mean a lot of people made most of

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<v Speaker 1>their income by collecting items and selling them for scrap.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you get to World War Two and there's

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<v Speaker 1>more recycling efforts for the war effort. Again, Uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>had fewer people to work on things because you had

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the workforce sent off to war that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you didn't have as many people to actually

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<v Speaker 1>get the raw materials you usually would need to produce.

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<v Speaker 1>And in wartime production is a big part of it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everything from the stuff you would think of

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<v Speaker 1>like vehicles and weapons and ammunition that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Two things that you might not necessarily imagine, just to

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<v Speaker 1>keep everyone who's still, you know, away from the fighting

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<v Speaker 1>supplied with the stuff that they need. Boots did you

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<v Speaker 1>need to make in World War two? Lots? Yeah, rubber

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<v Speaker 1>and UH and nylon items that were made that were

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<v Speaker 1>used at the time to make lots of common clothing

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<v Speaker 1>items wound up being used in Uh. Nylon was used

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<v Speaker 1>for parachutes for the war effort, and UH, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course rubber for tires and yeah. Actually, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they switched from like DuPont was making nylon stockings, they

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<v Speaker 1>stopped making nylon stockings in order to make materials for

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<v Speaker 1>the war effort, and apparently that caused a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>um well they were called nylon riots when when DuPont

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<v Speaker 1>went back to creating nylon stockings, there was apparently a

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<v Speaker 1>run on stores because I rum didn't mean to make

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<v Speaker 1>a run joke. Boy, that was a pun. That was

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<v Speaker 1>complete puns. We're so yeah, that was that again, And

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of changing gears for production. But it

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<v Speaker 1>also meant that repurposing this material for something else. Repurposing

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<v Speaker 1>and recycling was so big during the wars. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more far reaching than than most people today really realize. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>For for example, during the UH during the Victorian era,

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<v Speaker 1>fancy cemeteries, UM every cemetery plot would have these gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>wrought iron fencings around them. And during the Two World Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't find those today basically anywhere because all of

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<v Speaker 1>them were melted down during the wars. And so you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's its People would picnic there. It was very nice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cemetery, that's what you do. Yeah, sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>doing yere in Atlanta to Oakland Cemetery does it all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. That is where I learned about this. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, visit Oakland there you go. Also, so you

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<v Speaker 1>get up to like the nineteen seventies, that's really when

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<v Speaker 1>we got into the environmentalism movement. So recycling up until

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies was more about conserving resources for use

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<v Speaker 1>for particular efforts, like the World War effort. When you

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<v Speaker 1>say resources, you mean the raw materials themselves, like the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's being reprocessed. Right, it was. It was recycling

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<v Speaker 1>because in order for us to meet our needs to

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<v Speaker 1>do them. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't you know. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a save the environment kind of thing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>we need more X. The best way to do it

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<v Speaker 1>is to pull up a bunch of Y, melt it

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<v Speaker 1>down and turn them into X. Right. Right. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately after the war, especially here in the States, we

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<v Speaker 1>went through that economic boom where people were very um

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<v Speaker 1>conspicuously consuming, and it became argue, we're still there, are

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<v Speaker 1>more conspicuous than others, especially at the time, by pair

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<v Speaker 1>of glasses buying new stuff. Jonathan just got his Google glass.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very exciting, um or our Google glass. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>of ours, you can share, come on over. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until the first Earth Day in nine seventy

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<v Speaker 1>and um in three was when the first curb side

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<v Speaker 1>recycling program got off the ground here in the States.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and and then through through the nineties, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is when it started really picking up, you know, due

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<v Speaker 1>to a Captain, Planet and Gully. Tim Curry played the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy in that he did you know? I laughed?

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<v Speaker 1>But Captain and Planet made an impression on me, did he?

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<v Speaker 1>I think? So? Were you? Were you a planet tier?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know, I never got a ring. But see,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's always I just go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>image of the Native American with the one tear going

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<v Speaker 1>down the cheek to avoid littering. That's that's where my

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<v Speaker 1>environmentalism comes from. Isn't it funny All these issues kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get blurred together, like waste waste management, littering, landfills, recycling.

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<v Speaker 1>But it'll be worth us talking about exactly what the

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<v Speaker 1>real benefits of recycling are. Well, first I kind of curious,

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<v Speaker 1>like how does it happen? Like how does recycling work? Well? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. So there are um okay, well let's start

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<v Speaker 1>at your house. I guess. Okay, so you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of recyclables and they'll be say glass bottles and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>plastic containers, paper products like cardboard and newspaper, and cans,

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<v Speaker 1>aluminum cans, steel cans, tin um. And you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get all this stuff recycled, Well there are two. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a big distinction you want to make right at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>which is sorted versus unsorted um, And different municipalities I

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<v Speaker 1>think will deal with that in different ways. Like some

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<v Speaker 1>people require sorted, and that makes sense because it's much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to process when the recycling a drives pre sorted

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<v Speaker 1>to the processing facility. But what I've read is that

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<v Speaker 1>that also lowers participation because you're putting the burden on

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<v Speaker 1>the person and for some people that's just too much trouble. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't they don't want to go through the effort

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<v Speaker 1>of sorting through the stuff that they want to recycle

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<v Speaker 1>and put it into one of five different bins or whatever. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it also just makes it it makes it less

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<v Speaker 1>convenient for the person. And the sad fact is is

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<v Speaker 1>the more inconvenient it is, the lower the participation is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. Yeah, So these facilities get more materials

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<v Speaker 1>overall if they allow mixed mixed mixed materials material Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then that makes it more difficult to actually to

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<v Speaker 1>actually recycle the stuff, right, and they sort it. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting a lot better at that. Um. So, the

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<v Speaker 1>so you put you take these mixed materials and you

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<v Speaker 1>have say curb curbside pickup, so a tryan spur truck

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<v Speaker 1>comes along along a route and and picks up all

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<v Speaker 1>the materials and takes them to a place called materials

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<v Speaker 1>recovery facility. And from there you essentially put all your

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<v Speaker 1>materials on a conveyor belt and from here. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same at every facility. Um But so I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give kind of a standard view of some things

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen. Um One thing that's going to vary between

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<v Speaker 1>all these facilities is the level of automation versus manual sorting.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So, more advanced facilities have fewer human workers working

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<v Speaker 1>to take these things out and have better processes for

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<v Speaker 1>sorting automatically. But so, usually the first thing will happen

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<v Speaker 1>is there's some kind of initial purge where obvious trash

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<v Speaker 1>is removed because you know, what, do you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>put pizza in their recycling and stuff that they can't take.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So you try to remove that at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then usually after that, one of the first things

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<v Speaker 1>they want to do is remove glass, because glass is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a different animal than most of these other

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<v Speaker 1>things we recycle, and so glass will be moving along

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<v Speaker 1>conveyor belt, and if it's not removed manually, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be removed automatically by like a raking mechanism that separates

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<v Speaker 1>based on weight and shape, or there can be gravity sorting,

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<v Speaker 1>so that there's a conveyor belt moving sort of upward

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<v Speaker 1>at an angle with enough friction to carry up plastic

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<v Speaker 1>and paper products, right, but glass rolls down off of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so once the glass is separated, that's usually crushed

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<v Speaker 1>up into a constituency of shards called cullet, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that can be used for all kinds of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>But most of the rest of the products apart from glass,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually what the goal is to bail them, like hey, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And so after glass is removed, they'll usually sort out

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<v Speaker 1>paper products and they can do that by mechanical action

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<v Speaker 1>or by hand. Um. And you separate those out and

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<v Speaker 1>take them to a fiber bailer and bail them up together. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Steel cans are often separated by magnets and that's interested.

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<v Speaker 1>The UH conveyor belt will just pass under a very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful magnet just sucks them straight up. But then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a problem that you've got all these aluminum cans

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<v Speaker 1>and these other alloys that aren't their non ferrest materials,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not attracted to magnets. So one of the

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<v Speaker 1>popular ways of dealing with that these days is you

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<v Speaker 1>have something called an eddy current separator, and that's this

0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:38.040
<v Speaker 1>powerful magnetic rotor that generates a field that blasts non

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<v Speaker 1>ferrost metals off in some direction. It creates a separate

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field within the can itself, and UH and and

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<v Speaker 1>and that magnetic field will be at at odds with

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<v Speaker 1>with the field being generated by the device. We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>pop it right off the belt. Interesting, so you've got

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<v Speaker 1>so say you've separated everything else by now, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got non ferros metals, and you've got plastic and they're

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<v Speaker 1>rolling along. The plastic will just sit there. But when

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<v Speaker 1>the the aluminum cans pass over this thing, they shoot, shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fly away, I guess into a big basket

0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.680
<v Speaker 1>or whatever you use, take them to the bailor smash

0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.439
<v Speaker 1>them down into a cube. Um, those will be ready

0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and then finally, usually you're gonna have plastic, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of according to type. So you've probably seen like

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<v Speaker 1>number one plastic, number two plastics, like type two plastics

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<v Speaker 1>like milk jugs and laundry detergent jugs, that kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And those things are separated into different groups for ease

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<v Speaker 1>of reprocessing um and uh. And that can be done

0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.360
<v Speaker 1>by hand or automatically by things like they're sort of

0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.280
<v Speaker 1>optical field separators. So they shoot out some beam of

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<v Speaker 1>light that penetrates a different plastics in different ways and

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<v Speaker 1>use a sensor to to figure out what bits uh

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<v Speaker 1>exactly which. Yeah, as it passes over like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a gap in the conveyor um or or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it will use air jets to to to shoot out

0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the ones that it wants to. Yeah. So then at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, and so you got your plastic leftover and

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<v Speaker 1>smash that into bales, and then at the end, your

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<v Speaker 1>final product is you've got glass color, bales of plastic,

0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.080
<v Speaker 1>bales of paper products, bales of aluminum, bales of steel

0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.480
<v Speaker 1>um and all of these things are then sold to

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers or I guess really whoever wants them, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy recycled materials and just go pay for a

0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.520
<v Speaker 1>bale of steel. Yeah, and in fact, um, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the stuff that can be made from

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<v Speaker 1>recycled materials. Now, there's some stuff that you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>you've probably heard of things like you know, made tires

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<v Speaker 1>made out of recycled materials, even pavement made from recycled materials. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically a lot of the stuff ends up making more

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever it was before. So, for example, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of paper, recycled paper ends up going into things like

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<v Speaker 1>paper plates, napkins, paper towels, uh, that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of that reclaimed paper just becomes more

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<v Speaker 1>paper products. Same thing with aluminium, a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the odds of an aluminium can becoming something

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<v Speaker 1>like a car frame are low. It can happen. There

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<v Speaker 1>are manufacturers out there that will use recycled aluminum as

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<v Speaker 1>part of their materials for designing this stuff. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>far more likely that the aluminium can you tossing the

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<v Speaker 1>recycling is going to become a new aluminium can. Glass

0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>some glass depending. Glass is tricky because glass comes in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different kinds as well, Like you can

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<v Speaker 1>have glass that's and colors or you can have clear

0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.000
<v Speaker 1>glass that can change things up. Often glass will get

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<v Speaker 1>down cycled. Now, down cycle means that you convert this

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<v Speaker 1>into material that is slightly less valuable than what the

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<v Speaker 1>raw material was or what the original product was. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, a glass jar, you might throw that out

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<v Speaker 1>in in recycling or whatever, and it gets re cycled

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<v Speaker 1>as part of uh something that's made out of fiberglass,

0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and by weight, it's less valuable. That's why we call

0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.200
<v Speaker 1>it down cycling, because it's moved down a level. Um,

0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.159
<v Speaker 1>So that will uh, that's fairly common to for a

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.920
<v Speaker 1>glass to go into things like fiberglass. But then there's

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of cool stuff. I'm going to mention some

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<v Speaker 1>specific companies too, just for some sort of nifty products

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<v Speaker 1>that are made of recycled materials. For example, Uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a group called Keens Harvest Bags. They make like messenger bags, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but they make them out of recycled air bags from cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Are actually really cool. Uh, you know, they just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a nifty way of reusing this material that otherwise

0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 1>might not ever be used. There's violence, what's that I

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<v Speaker 1>just imagined getting a messenger bag that had like blood

0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.480
<v Speaker 1>or I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>might be bad press for the company. Um, I appalled

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<v Speaker 1>gized to Keene's harvest bill. No, I'm not that would happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, it's just the first know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>right there with you. U. There's vinyl luxe. Vinyl Luxe

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<v Speaker 1>uses uh something that has beloved to me old vinyl records.

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:22.880
<v Speaker 1>So some old vinyl records are beyond the uh they've

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<v Speaker 1>just they've passed their prime right there. There might be scratches,

0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.199
<v Speaker 1>there might be some sort of warping, and anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes the music less than or whatever was recorded on

0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.359
<v Speaker 1>them less than interesting or pleasurable to listen to. And

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.520
<v Speaker 1>so what vinyl X does is it takes old vinyl

0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.320
<v Speaker 1>records that are you know, kind of messed up and

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:45.800
<v Speaker 1>then creates things like bowls or clocks, uh, ornaments and

0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.919
<v Speaker 1>other stuff and uh, anything that they don't use, like

0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:53.320
<v Speaker 1>any scraps that are left over from their their projects

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<v Speaker 1>gets sent to a plant in Nashville actually, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that those scraps are melted down to create new

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.959
<v Speaker 1>vinyl records, to help to be the material for new

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 1>vinyl records, so nothing gets wasted There is another company

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<v Speaker 1>called Looped Works, and they have used recycled neoprene, nylon,

0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.639
<v Speaker 1>vinyl polyester leather to create all sorts of different products,

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<v Speaker 1>like like electronics covers, like a cover case for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a tablet or something. Uh, some really cool designs coming

0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 1>out of them. And then there's a company called Moving

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<v Speaker 1>Comfort like this one a lot. They remove chemicals from

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<v Speaker 1>coffee grounds and turn it into yarn and then we've

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:47.080
<v Speaker 1>cloth out of this stuffy fibrous shirts. It's actually the

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.119
<v Speaker 1>chemicals from coffee grounds. So they're making a synthetic yarn

0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.680
<v Speaker 1>from various chemicals they extract from coffee grounds and they

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<v Speaker 1>turn that into yarn and they use that to make clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So companies called Moving Comfort, you can look them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool stuff. It's pretty pretty Eight. There's a there's

0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.159
<v Speaker 1>recycled Bikes, which is out of here's a here's a shocker.

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I know you guys are gonna be amazed when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear this. Portland, Oregon Recycled Bikes which make bikes out

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of recycled aluminum um. Their seats are made out of

0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:21.760
<v Speaker 1>renewable cork. Uh right now. They also are belt driven bikes,

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<v Speaker 1>not chain driven because they said that the belt driven

0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>ones are easier to maintain. Um. They say that their

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<v Speaker 1>goal is one day to have a recycled materials bike.

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Right now it's not quite there, but that's their goal,

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<v Speaker 1>is to to just make bikes that are completely made

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<v Speaker 1>out of recycled materials. Up in Vancouver, the city is

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<v Speaker 1>experimenting on creating new types of pavement that is made

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>up of wax partially from recycled plastic. So they're taking

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 1>this plastic in and they're processing it into this wax

0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 1>to go into new pavement production, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>neat um. So, yeah, that's just some examples. I mean,

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.879
<v Speaker 1>obviously there are tons of different examples of ways to

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>use recycled materials. Uh. And you know what new products

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:13.159
<v Speaker 1>you can make from recycled materials. So let's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about some statistics like what is

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<v Speaker 1>actually getting recycled and how much is being recycled. Uh. Now,

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be citing some factors from a report

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<v Speaker 1>done by the Environmental Protection Agency, which is which is

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, and we should also mention

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a lot of the stuff we're talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>very US centric because that's where we are located. There

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 1>are obviously lots of different recycling companies and facilities around

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<v Speaker 1>the entire world, but we we are focusing mainly on

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<v Speaker 1>the US because that's really where we can get the

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>most recent information, uh, the in a very easy way

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 1>since we happen to live here, it makes it pretty convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>But the report we're looking at is citing statistics from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven, which was the most recent information that

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<v Speaker 1>we could find. And according to that report, of all

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<v Speaker 1>UH newspaper slash mechanical papers were recovered meaning recycled, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent of yard trimmings were recovered. Thirty of metals

0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.679
<v Speaker 1>were were recycled. Uh so you know, you see that

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<v Speaker 1>this number is going down. Glass there was even less

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<v Speaker 1>um and and plastic is a little weird too. But

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<v Speaker 1>by recycling the metals, there was actually seven point five

0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>million tons of metal recycled in two thousand eleven. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the e p A, we eliminated twenty million tons

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of greenhouse gas emissions, which totals more than twenty metric

0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 1>tons of carbon dioxide. And again according to them, they

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's about equivalent to removing four million cars

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<v Speaker 1>from the road. For an entire year. So, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>this is showing that there can be a real impact

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 1>these programs. If you participate, you can actually really help

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce in greenhouse gasses because the amount of energy

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 1>needed to go into recycling some of these materials, not

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>all of them, but some of them is so much

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<v Speaker 1>less than what it would take for you to create

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a new product from raw virgin material that you are

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>saving quite a bit of energy and as a result,

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 1>emitting fewer carbon carbon dioxide and greenhouse gas emissions. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're doing lots of good work all along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's that's kind of like the basic lowdown on recycling.

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a it's a big deal. It's very

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:39.439
<v Speaker 1>much down to individual participation as well as community participation. Clearly,

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.679
<v Speaker 1>if you live someplace that doesn't have a recycling program,

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it makes it much more difficult to be part of this. Right. Um,

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the I think that report said that that overall, UM

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven, Americans generated about two and fifty

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:58.120
<v Speaker 1>million tons of trash, and UM recycled about thirty four

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>point seven percent of that. Yeah. Yeah, out of all

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 1>of the trash that was generated. Uh, usually we were

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>referred to it as a municipal solid waste or msw uh,

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's a very it kind of excludes other types

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of of trash, things like industrial waste or construction waste

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that's toxic waste, this sewage. Yeah, these are not included

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.880
<v Speaker 1>in municipal solids, the kind of stuff that you would

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 1>see ending up in a typical landfill. And I think

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.240
<v Speaker 1>that especially in Europe, a lot of other places do

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit better than that. But but but again,

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like Jonathan said, it really depends on the resources here

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>in the States, in your specific community. Of course, it

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>matters vastly by region and what what kind of what

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of plants, what kind of processing plants you have,

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and whether or not people find it um I mean,

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, fortunately or unfortunately it's it's monetarily based a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time. Well, you know how how worth

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it is? Right, if it's cheaper to throw something in

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a landfill than it is to recycle it, or if

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>it's cheaper to build new products out virgin material than

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 1>it is to take old material and repurpose it to

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>make this stuff, then from an economic standpoint, you can

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.959
<v Speaker 1>see why people, companies, organizations pick the landfill option because

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it means that they save money in the long run. Now,

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of us, especially for those of us who

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>feel very environmentally conscious, kind of cringe at that the

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>idea that somehow money can dictate this when you know,

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you might say, but in the long run, it's much

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>much better for us to do this. That's easy to say.

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>But if if you have to have money to create

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 1>these systems so that everything works, it's hard. Yeah, you

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>can't just you can't just wave it away. I mean

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you have to be willing to put forth that investment.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And either that means you know, uh, starting up a

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>private company and trying to make recycling work for you

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>as a business. Uh. And we'll talk more about that

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>in kind of a waste disposal podcast that we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>doing a little bit later. Or you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a government that's willing to go to the

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>citizens and say, you're telling us, you want us to

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 1>deal with this this problem. We can do that, but

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it's going to require this much money. So that means

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to either raise taxes or repurpose

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>money for meant for other products projects or whatever. You know,

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that's the sad fact of it is that economics are

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<v Speaker 1>going to play a role, and it really depends from

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>from item to item. Um. That's true. Yeah, and we'll

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about that. You know, I think that that's a

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 1>good way of finishing this up. But before we do,

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I want to mention one other thing about recycling, one

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>other type of recycling, which is e waste, electronic waste,

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 1>things like computers, smartphones, tablets, game consoles, all this stuff

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that we use, these electronics that we use. You know,

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of uh encouraged to go through these things

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>at a rate that is pretty steep steep. Yeah, Like,

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>so are you saying we shouldn't just throw an old

0:26:55.800 --> 0:27:00.080
<v Speaker 1>computer in the dumpster? I'm getting there. I will, I

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>will say that. I will say that, But I was

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>going to say at first that, you know, we we

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.199
<v Speaker 1>here in the United States in particular, we live in

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>a society where we are encouraged to update our electronics

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 1>on a frantic basis. For instance, if you are an

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>iPhone user, and you know, if you're an iPhone user,

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>then essentially once a year, you're showing off the brand

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>new version of the iPhone that is clearly superior. Yeah,

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is designed to get you to buy iPhones,

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense. That's the business, right, So I mean,

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>but you know, if, especially in the US, the way

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that the contract system works for our phones, often those

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>contracts lock you in for two years. So you've got

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this this level of consumer frustration where I want the

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 1>new iPhone, but I'm locked into this contract. I'll just

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>pay to get out of it, or whatever it's. It's

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 1>it feels like you are obligated to upgrade on a

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 1>regular basis. I don't mean to pick on Apple. If

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you're an Android user, that's more like every couple of months,

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>because there's a new Android phone coming from various manufact

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>acturers every few months that is obviously better than the

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>one you bought last week. And there's that old joke

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>about computers that by the time you get at home,

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely obsolutely yeah exactly, which really isn't that much

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of a joke. It's pretty true. So we've got so

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>let's let's say that even if you are being as

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>responsible as possible, where you are not buying the newest

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>electronic device every time it comes out, eventually you're going

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>to get to a point where you're going to need

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.239
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of some of your electronics. Either they

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>stop working or you've replaced them with something else and

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 1>you need to remove it from your life. Created an

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>entire wall of dead computers just for example. I'm not

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that I know anyone. I've got a corner of the

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>garage that is the monitor graveyard. Yeah, and I'm talking

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>about monitors. I'm not talking about displays. I'm talking about

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>those huge monitors. But yeah, so eventually gonna need to

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.479
<v Speaker 1>get rid of some of these electronics, right, So what

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>do you do, well, Joe, like you were saying, you

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to throw them in the trash out. A

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of these electronics have some pretty nasty stuff in them,

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>some toxic materials. I mean things like lead, which is

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously toxic. Yeah, not not not the music, but like mercury,

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>which is toxic, berylli um, cadmium, other things from the

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Table of Elements song that Daniel Radcliffe can sing for

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>some reason anyway, Uh yeah, this is this is dangerous

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff and if you threw it away, there's a chance,

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>depending upon where you live, there's a chance that could

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>end up going to an incinerator. There aren't that many

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>in the United States but in other parts of the world,

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>incinerators are big business, and it would release this stuff

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>in and you would have to deal with it then,

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>because if it went out into the environment, it could

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>cause some real health hazards. In fact, in China that's

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a huge problem because there are some major uh E

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>waste reclamation centers in China, and reclamation by that, I

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>mean they're trying to get anything useful out of these

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>uh these electronic devices that they can, and then they

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>burn everything else and it tends to release lots of

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>toxic materials that can go on to create severe health

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>hazards and a really negative environmental impact in the surrounding area.

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>So E waste is one of those things that needs

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to be handled very carefully. There are actually quite a

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>few programs out there that allow you to donate your

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>device so that can then be refurbished and sold again.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So that means it extends the lifetime of that device

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and give someone else who wants it that opportunity to

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>own it. Now. In that case, one thing I would

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>stress to everybody is if it's any sort of device

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.959
<v Speaker 1>that contains personal information, you want to make certain that

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you wipe all that personal information off before you donate it.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of organizations out there that will

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>do this, or at least they say that they do that,

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>that that's one of their their standards operating juice. It's

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>obviously an important part. Personally, I would never hand over

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.719
<v Speaker 1>anything unless I was relatively certain that I had wiped

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it clean. Uh. Just as an aside, I bought my

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Xbox three sixty refurbished and it had the the gamer

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>tag information of the previous owner still on there because

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>he or she had never bothered to wipe that from

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the Xbox. Uh. Not to say that I would necessarily

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>have done anything about that, like logged in as that

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.239
<v Speaker 1>person and done something nefarious. But if I had been

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>someone else, maybe I would have. I'm not that kind

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of guy. So what I did was the first thing

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I did, was I wiped it clean so that I

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have any of that access to that person's account

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>at all. Reformatting the driver is the really important thing

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to do there because a lot of the especially um services,

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>like if you have Netflix or something on your Xbox,

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>will retain your information for a shocking period of time

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>after you've contacted the company about your stolen Xbox to

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>tell them to take down that bit from any previous machines. Yeah, so,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>so just word of warning, you know, and you know,

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>do some research. If you're going to donate some of

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>your or or if you want to recycle some of

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>your electronics, do some research out there and make sure

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that whatever outlet you're going to use as a reputable one. Um,

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that's always a good thing. They're they're more and more

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of those rising up because people are trying to be

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>more responsible with this sort of approach, which is that's admirable.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Just make sure that you know the one that you're

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>going to go with is in fact a responsible organization.

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So now let's get into this whole idea about does

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>recycling makes sense? Does it make sense from an economic

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>standpoint and an environmental standpoint? And the reason why we

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 1>even have this question is because there are certain materials

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>where you could possibly make an argument that it really

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make a whole lot of sense to recycle. That

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that we should be using it like crazy

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and throwing it out the window, but rather that there

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>may be other alternatives to recycling that we should consider. So,

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for example, uh, one thing that does make perfect sense

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>to recycle is aluminum is incredibly efficient form of recycling.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>There's very little processing that you need to make uh

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>some aluminium reusable. Uh yeah, recycling I can, I think

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>saves of the energy it would have required to make

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a new one. Right, it only takes five percent of

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that energy you would take. Like if you were to

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>take the virgin material and then turn that into an

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>aluminium can, and then you were to recycle an old

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>aluminum can into aluminium can, the recycle can would take

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>only five percent of the energy that you needed to

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>make the brand new can. So clearly they're recycling makes

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>perfect sense as long as you have a way of

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>sorting the the the trash, the recyclables in such a

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>way that you can get at that aluminium. It makes

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.479
<v Speaker 1>perfect sense that sorting might be what holds you up,

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>depending upon what technology you're using. By uh, if you're

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>using pre sorted recyclables, then it's a no brainer. Plastics

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>a little tricky. It does only require one tenth of

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the energy to recycle plastic than it would to produce

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>plastic from new material that you raw material that you've

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 1>just managed to get. But again sorting is the big

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>problem there and sorting between plastics can be such a

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.720
<v Speaker 1>huge issue that some recycling facilities will end up sending

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>much or even all of the plastics they received to

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>a landfill. So even though you are putting your stuff

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in a recycling bin and a recycling truck is picking

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.439
<v Speaker 1>it up, it doesn't necessarily mean that that is going

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 1>to be recycled. Some of that or maybe even all

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of it might end up in a landfill, depending upon

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>where you are. Now, don't hear this and say well,

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't recycle plastic anymore. I mean, your local facility

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe doing well, but and especially with that with that

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>technology that I was talking about, the optical sorting, Um,

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that it's made that process a lot more efficient. Yeah, exactly.

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not that you shouldn't bother recycling. Maybe that your

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>facility is lagging behind the others, but I hope that

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>most of them are working toward improving those those processes

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>so that they can recapture more of the plastic. It

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense, uh, financially, you know, economically as well

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>as environmentally. It's just for some facilities they have to

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>catch up a little more than others, and so um,

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it's important to continue to recycle even with plastic. But

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>just know that we're you know, the level of sophistication

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>technologically speaking, when we get to sorting is not so

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>widespread as to be infallible by any means. Uh, paper,

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>about six the energy you would need to make a

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>new piece of paper from raw materials is what is

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>what you would need to make a piece of paper

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>from recycled materials, So a little over half the amount

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:01.479
<v Speaker 1>of energy you would normally need. So, as you see,

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>we're moving further away from that that five percent that

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>aluminum has and now with paper it's more like six. However,

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.240
<v Speaker 1>paper is a lot easier to sort, So it turns

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>out that you know, a lot of paper tends to

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>get recycled. And if you recycle about let's see, I

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>think a ton of paper ends up being about seventeen trees.

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>So if you think about that, you know you're you're

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 1>actually saving forests from getting cut down because you're reducing

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the need for new paper. And and furthermore, I mean,

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, trees are renewable resource, but um but those

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>old growth forests, um that that really provide a better

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:47.240
<v Speaker 1>environmental habitat are frequently torn down. For for pulp wood trees,

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>which grow much more quickly and are much more useful

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.439
<v Speaker 1>for the creation of paper. But you know, it's it's

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>not really, it's not really the ecological equivalent, right, And

0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>that that kind of brings us up to glass, which

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is a problem child really Uh so glass, glass is

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:09.479
<v Speaker 1>not made from a precious material. Essentially made from sand. Yeah,

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>take sand, apply heat, you eventually get glass. Um, it's

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a little more complicated than that, but not by a

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>whole lot. And it's basically quartz, right, Well, it's silicate silicon,

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's and and it's a bunch of stuff. Really,

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Okay, I was just guessing. I don't know.

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>It's talcum powder, right. Yeah. So recycling glass only saves

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>about thirty percent of the energy that you would need

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to create a new piece of glass from raw material.

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's you're not saving that much more energy by

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>recycling than you would be by producing something new. The

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>raw material itself is not a precious material. It's not

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>something that's incredibly valuable on its own. It's not like

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>taking more sand is really affecting the vironment in a

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>terrible way. So there are a lot of reasons why

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:08.359
<v Speaker 1>recycling is it makes less sense with glass. It's not

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 1>that it's ineffective. It's not that you shouldn't do it,

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it's that it's just not from an economic and environmental

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>standpoint as important. What I would suggest is instead of recycling,

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.720
<v Speaker 1>you reuse, just like I do with my Mason jars

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that you'll be drinking out of if you come visit

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>me in my house, assuming I offer you something to drink.

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, I'm not the most hospitable guy. Um say

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>that's if you if you have bread and salt, you

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>know you're safe. If not, it's a nice day for

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a red wedding, all right. So yeah, so recycling glass

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe not as as big a deal comparatively speaking, but

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>reusing is very important. Um. If you if you are

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>able to reuse, that's the best thing to do. If not,

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>recycling is perfectly line. It's not like it's bad. It's

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 1>just not as efficient as some of the other materials.

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, eventually I'm going to reach a point

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>where I don't need more Mason jars because I'm never

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna have four and fifty people in my house. And

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>while making forts of it is fun, it's also really

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>dangerous with the Jack Russell in the house. So I

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<v Speaker 1>will eventually be recycling Mason jars as opposed to reusing

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<v Speaker 1>them over and over again. But uh uh that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, the end story there and and again

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<v Speaker 1>recycling for all of these materials is just going to

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<v Speaker 1>improve over time as uh it becomes more economically feasible. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In our next podcast, we'll be talking about waste disposal

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<v Speaker 1>in general, and we'll talk about the economics of that

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<v Speaker 1>and how just throwing stuff away costs money. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing something away is free. It's actually there is

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<v Speaker 1>an expense to it. And if recycling ends up being

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<v Speaker 1>economically more uh advantageous and just throwing it into a landfill,

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<v Speaker 1>you can bet that that will take off, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means the technologies will improve that much more quickly and

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<v Speaker 1>the environment, the environmental factors will improve as well. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's again depending upon your point of view, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little sad to say, this is all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dictated ultimately by a price tag, but that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the world we live in until we reach that Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek future where we don't need cash anymore, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case we'll be replicating everything we need anyway and using

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<v Speaker 1>cold fusion to power all of our everything. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll create some sort of what was it? It

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<v Speaker 1>was a cold fusion bomb and the first Star Trek,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it the reboot that was? Yeah, I don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>how that works. I'll get on that, I'll get on

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<v Speaker 1>the I'll get on the communicator with Spock and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>find out anything else about recycling. Guys, that's what I got.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. That was an emphatic note from Joe. So

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