1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This He's Talking 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: the Star in Friday. And now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, heck, 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's will beat me 6 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: up for another TCT Tuesday is Talking Cowboys. Crew is 7 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios and the gang is here 8 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: minus minus numero. Oh no, k Y. It definitely knows 9 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Jelly today on the Oh, he's not here today, and 10 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: so I'm with my guy in the closer week into 11 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: the draft, I will definitely make sure that I acknowledge 12 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: that you are the fourth round pick, one hundred and 13 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: third pick and the two thousand and seven draft. My man, 14 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, you dubbed is in the building, my man, 15 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: and Super Bowl champion. Throw the magazines up and man pee. 16 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: How many nicknames do you have so far? Since you 17 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: since we've joined the show, We've given you like probably 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: three in my life and then start joined the show 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: probably like twenty three. Talking about Yeah, so expanded, Rob, 20 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Yes, Rob p Island trend to dad P 21 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: just pe easter p Easter building like two this morning 22 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: when I walked that man, Yeah, you know that's what 23 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: it's rough man, rough crowd. You know we'll go welcome 24 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: over Coop shirt with all his nicknames. But I'm telling 25 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: you it's a good idea to do do it now. Still, 26 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: every week you get a new one that's just got 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: blue bonnets every time we see you, fickle man. We 28 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: got another Tuesday, guys. I got a good show planning, 29 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: plenty of action on the questions today. I can't wait 30 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: to hear what you guys have to say about all 31 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: of the things that we have to run down. But Pete, 32 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: we got some serious business to take care of. And 33 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and obviously I'm gonna leave give you the floor because 34 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: I want to get the kind of the rundown of 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: the deadlines on how everything transpired. And we're talking about 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph and you know the serious charges that he 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: has right now. Yeah, I think with a situation like this, 38 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: the best thing I think I could do is just 39 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: tell everybody what we know, because there's so much that 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: we don't know right now with that with that case, 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: that investigation, and I guess we'll just start with what 42 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: happened I think almost a month ago to the day 43 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: m Cameron Ray, and this is the most important part 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: of the story. A man lost his life. Cameron Ray, 45 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: years old, was in the Lower Greenville district of Dallas, 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: was shot and killed in a drive by shooting. There 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: was a Dallas police investigation, and Kelvin Joseph was wanted 48 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: for questioning because of surveillance video that surfaced about his 49 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: connection to a group that was in that car that 50 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: shot a shot Cameron Ray allegedly, so he spoke to 51 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: investigators last week. Two other men have been arrested in 52 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: connection to that shooting. I think that happened on Saturday 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: over the weekend, and there has not been an arrest 54 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: of Kelvin Joseph or he has not been charged with 55 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: anything either. But as far as we know, the investigation 56 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: is still open. So beyond that, I don't know where 57 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: it goes from here for Kelvin Joseph other than it's 58 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: my understanding he was here in the building taking part 59 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: in the start of the Cowboys voluntary offseason program yesterday. 60 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: So I think, based on what's happened to this point 61 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys appear to be just letting this situation 62 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: play out legally and see and see what happens, because 63 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: there hasn't been any movement from them in terms of, hey, 64 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: we're just monitoring the situation. That's that was the essence 65 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: of their statement last week. And I, Saiah, let me 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: ask you this man from from a being in the 67 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: locker room and having h knowing, you know, being having 68 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: your teammates there and guys that you rely on heavily, 69 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: how does this affect a locker room when you have 70 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: one of your teammates have these serious occusations and obviously 71 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: the videotape and everything. How does that in the locker room? 72 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: How does that premeate in the locker room? Not good? 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: Not good. There's been a number of teams that I've 74 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: been on, you know, especially here in Dallas, where we 75 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: had a lot of controversial players on a team, you know, 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: and going back to you know, whether people want to 77 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: call Till controversial. You got you know pac Man Jones 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: and his legal issues that he had, you had, you know, 79 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Tank Johnson the issues that he had legally. It's it's 80 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: one of those things where you don't want that conversation 81 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: revolving around your team, especially when you're coming you're trying 82 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: to launch a season, you're trying to launch off season program. 83 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: You're trying to have everybody's you know, eyes on the prize, 84 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: and hey, this is what we're gonna do going forward, 85 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna make up for last year, 86 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: and then you have this thrown in the mix. Um, 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, to Rob's point, and it is really unfortunate 88 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: that a young man lost his life. I think it's 89 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: eye opening in terms of gentlemen in this on this team, 90 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: in this locker room, and even with amongst the league, 91 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, watching who you're hanging out with, you know, 92 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: watching the circle that you keep, the company that you keep. Uh, 93 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: it just it's it's a it's a it's an unfortunate situation. 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: It's a terrible look. Obviously, you already mentioned that this 95 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: case is still open. I think as of yesterday, I 96 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: think you know, the two of the gentlemen that he 97 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: was presumably with have admitted Tom to what they either 98 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: rolling it um. So there's no telling in terms of 99 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: can you even depend on Kelvin Joseph Now, you know, 100 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the draft coming up, it changes it 101 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: changes everything in terms of the you know, the the 102 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: GEM and the scouting department now is like, okay, somebody 103 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: that we were relying on as a one year kind 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: of project. Hopefully they were hoping that he would have 105 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: contributed last year, but now definitely we talked about it 106 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: last week or week before that they were going to 107 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: be laying their head on him in terms of him 108 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: trying to step up this year. Now, what do you 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: do going into the draft? Do you replace him? Do 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: you take somebody at that hyper because there's probably something 111 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: he's probably going to be attached to this in some 112 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: form or fashion, right, so you can expect there to 113 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: be some form of suspension at some point in time 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: or regardless of how severe that maybe there's a whole lot, 115 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, I want to speculate on anything. There's a 116 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: lot that's going to come down. But it changes a 117 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: lot in terms of your your team's expectations and who 118 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: they could really rely on. Yeah, that's that's the other 119 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: side of this thing too. And again the biggest factor 120 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: or part of this story is that someone died. Yes, 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: and I forgot to mention because I say, you jog 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: my memory here. There was a statement made by Kelvin 123 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: Joseph's attorney to the Morning News here in Dallas that yes, 124 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: he was in a passenger in the car, but he 125 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: was not the shooter. He was unarmed, he didn't want 126 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: any part of what happened. So that's where that stands 127 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: at this point. But to your point, Isaiah, like, that's 128 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: from a football perspective. We've seen with the Cowboys and 129 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: different legal situations or accusations. It doesn't take a charge 130 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: or an arrest to be penalized by the NFL discipline 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: face some kind of discipline. So there's I mean, there 132 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: may not be a resolution from from the Cowboys side, 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph's side, for it could be weeks, it could 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: be months. We just don't know at this point. Yeah, 135 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: and I think guys, we we obviously we want to 136 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: be very sensitive because this is a legal matter and 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, no charges has been brought against Kelvin Joseph. 138 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: For me, guys, when when we got the group text 139 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: about what was going on, and yeah, I was, I was. 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I was ticked off about it, genuinely ticked off about 141 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: it because growing up in a community where these kinds 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: of things happen too often, and looking at what's happening 143 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: in our country of things like this that are happening 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: way too often. Don't hold no punches when I say 145 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: I am not a gun advocate. I am the opposite 146 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: on that spectrum, and I'm cool to everybody that does. 147 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: But when you come to the state of Texas, you 148 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: better get used to it, because this is just what 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: it is. I'm disappointed in this lifestyle and where common 150 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: sense isn't really common and situations like this that could 151 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: easily be resolved. Someone goes to picking up a pistol 152 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: or whatever weapon you have, and a life is lost. 153 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Like you said, that's the story, Cameron Ray, a young 154 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: man that's twenty years old, and that's what I'm saying. 155 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: That's not common sense for a mother to have to 156 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: bury her child. You can't even fathom it. I can't 157 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: even think of it. And I have a son, a 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: teenage son that I try and talk to every day 159 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: about his surroundings and the people that he's talking to 160 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: and what he's doing with them, because it's way too 161 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in a situation like this. 162 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: If you come from certain environments, we think that when 163 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: you well, you're a millionaire. Now life should be change. 164 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: You should know better than that. Kelvin Joseph is twenty 165 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: one years old, and let me tell you something. When 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: I think about where I was at twenty one years old, 167 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: I just is nothing but the grace of the Lord 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: that I am here functioning. So I want to handle 169 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: this with the matter of grace as well, because I 170 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: want for young men that are in situations like this 171 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: to think and say to themselves that I have way 172 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: more to lose than the company that I'm around. And 173 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: so look, I'm gonna leave it at that so that 174 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: we could get on with the rest of this show, 175 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: because we have an awesome show. But that had to 176 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: be talked about. But in other news, all season workouts 177 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: have started, well, Fallen told workouts started and everybody that 178 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: I believe that we have all hands on deck. Everyone 179 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: that's supposed to be here is here, which is everyone 180 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: I would I would. I don't have a head count. 181 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: Usually it usually it is usually guys. And going back 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: to when Isaiah was playing here, I mean, the tendances 183 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: is usually pretty good because guys, it's a good place 184 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: to live. Guys don't really live outside a state. In 185 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: the off season, that makes it easier to do. And 186 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: it's also it also helps if and I'm not every 187 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: guy has this, but if you have workout bonuses built 188 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: into your contract, it doesn't hurt to show up for 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: five weeks, get some lifts in, take part of some OTAs, 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: and and get a nice check on top of your 191 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: game checks when the season starts. Man. Funny story, quick story, 192 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: Rickie year, everybody gets drafted. We go down to I 193 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: believe it was San Antonio and we're hanging out there. 194 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: It's it's a night before practice starts, right, like, hey, 195 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: and all none of the Rockies have been signed yet, none, 196 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: none of us, right, none of the draft picks have 197 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: been signed. That back in the day, that was so 198 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: this was the thing. So the reason why there was 199 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: such a hang up the night before right, not knowing 200 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: if you were going to practice the first day, was 201 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: because they had a clause in our contracts that said 202 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: if you're not present for seventy plus percent of the 203 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: offseason workouts, then they don't have to pay you a 204 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: certain percentage of your salary. It was something it was 205 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: some kind of some kind of verbiage like that, and 206 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: so all that everybody was like heck, no, we ain't 207 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: signing this, you know what I mean? Like we were together, 208 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: one little one lord bond, right, just nobody's doing it. 209 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: The trust treat Yeah, the trust, the circle of trust. Right, 210 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: Dion Anderson's agent signs the deal. Oh Man agrees to 211 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: the deal. Everybody had to follow suit after that. Right. 212 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't a problem because we were gonna be here anyways. 213 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: But there, you know, as you think about Randy Gregory, 214 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: right in the verbiage that that are in these contracts, 215 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: there's little things like that that you have to pay 216 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: a lot of attention to and maybe those things contribute 217 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: to the to the population and the contribute you know 218 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, in the in the in the participation 219 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: in the offseason workouts, there's little tricky things like that 220 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: that play a part so that one domino fail everybody 221 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: at the ball. That's that's now, that's ringing a bell. Man, 222 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, it was the night before 223 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: and night before Christmas doing it? Man, Well, what does 224 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: that do for your team? As far as the camaraderie, uh, 225 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah, obviously the rookies are here there, bright eyed, 226 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: bushy tails being you know, and feeling like an NFL, 227 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: feeling like a pro. But then you have those wily 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: veterans that are here that's laughing probably at the young 229 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: guys coming in. What was your experience with that, obviously 230 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: knowing that, look, man, I'm fighting for a position to 231 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: get on this get on this team. I think it's 232 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: very important. It's awesome that you that you get back 233 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: into saddle, you know, especially coming out off of a year. 234 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: For all the guys that are returning coming off of 235 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: last year, I mean the disappointment of that. You want 236 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: to get back to work as soon as possible. You 237 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: had your little vacation, You got to go out the country, 238 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: hang out with your family, lady, all that kind of jazz, 239 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: spend some time, relax for about a week or two 240 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: off of working out, get back on it, and now 241 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: it's time to start putting your mind back on the 242 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: prize again, and that is trying to get that dog 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: on Lombardy, right. You were a couple of games away 244 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: from that thing, and that's that is the worst feeling 245 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: in the world, knowing you were three games away and tada, 246 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: your back home, just like everybody else in the league. 247 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: So it's awesome. When you get all these guys back 248 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: in the locker room, you haven't seen guys in a while, 249 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: you got the camaraderie. COVID is kind of, you know, 250 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: going away in terms of all the restrictions regarding that. 251 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: So we know how strenuous and uptight that has been 252 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: over the past few years. So this should be a 253 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: huge offseason for the guys and they should be more 254 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: than excited to see each other participate in workouts. It's 255 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: not a straight grind day one. They work you into it, right, 256 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: but it's awesome to see all your boys again. Now 257 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: you saw adults. And Schultz had some great things to 258 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: say about having Dak healthy. Last year. Dak really couldn't 259 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: participate in the voluntary workouts. He was here in the building, 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: but more rehabbing from the ankle injury. What is that 261 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: in just your estimation in the off season, obviously with 262 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: everything that they're going to have to get into Cupboade, now, 263 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: how big and how effective is that going to be 264 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: for this team in the team building part? I think 265 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: it's huge. I think it's probably the single most important 266 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: thing they could get done this offseason is have Dak 267 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: not worrying about that part of his off season, there's 268 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: not I mean, he's gonna have probably management style things 269 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: to do with his ankle probably the rest of his career, 270 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: but it's not a straight up a month long rehab 271 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: thing that he's dealing with. And Yeah, Schultz talked about that, 272 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: like they've had these captain workouts the last few weeks 273 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: where you can show up and it's it's not supervised 274 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: by coaches. He's just guys out doing um strength and 275 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: conditioning stuff. But guys are getting together on their own 276 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: and throwing. And he said, we've already gotten together with 277 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: guys doing that, uh, way more so than last year 278 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: because of Dak's situation. I think I mean that to me, Um, 279 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: when you're talking about the quarterback position and that importance 280 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: to your overall team success, that's the biggest thing they 281 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: can accomplish this offseason in my opinion, And along with 282 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: what Isaia spoke about the camaraderie. We talked to Dante 283 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Fowler last week. Here's a new guy coming in who 284 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: has met only a few guys, played with a couple 285 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: of guys passing his career, Uh, you know, played for 286 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, gets to meet everybody. Build that camaraderie. I 287 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: think that is important, even though for the first couple 288 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: of weeks, Um, there's no football involved. You're just you're 289 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: just getting your your lift in, getting your your running 290 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: in Zaya for listen, I want to get to the 291 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: to the bazuka. Um, well, guys, I got about to 292 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: fight the other what what? And I'm telling you, look 293 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: at Slim and Trim. All right, look at Slim and Trim. 294 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: But didn't you say he was gonna come back at 295 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: like two ninety? I didn't say to ninety. I think 296 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: you did yeh eighty because I'm I'm look, I'm a 297 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: go ahead and stack campaign. He is not He's not that. 298 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: He is not that. But how important for a guy 299 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: like this coming off of a monster rookie season and 300 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: just the offseason, the workouts, how pivotal. I mean you 301 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: obviously the years that you've played in physically you probably 302 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: got bigger and bigger and bigger. I don't know how 303 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: you can add on anything for Mica. For Micah, yeah, 304 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, in his position, how does he you know, 305 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: continue to grow as a player in this offseason? It's huge. 306 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the physical aspect of the game. 307 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: This this portion of the year is is so crucial 308 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: because of the fact that you have this window of 309 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: time from April until August to put on as much 310 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: mass as you possibly can, because the reality is you 311 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: built up all this muscle. You know, we have Harold Nash, 312 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: who was the head coach here. I had him as 313 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: an assistant strength coach in New England. He's a he's 314 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: a beast. He walks around it like a little swollen 315 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: bowling ball. Okay, and when you're with him, you're gonna 316 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: live some weight. So they have they have a heck 317 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: of a leadership team in regards to that, and he's 318 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity to spend the entire offseason with him, 319 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: right from now until August, so they're gonna be able 320 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: to get him on a dietitian, with the dietitian, get 321 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: him on the shore, the conditioning program right, be able 322 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: to work with the coaches, see you exactly what the 323 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: game plan is. Once the draft settles in, they'll have 324 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: more of an idea in terms of how they want 325 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: to utilize him. I'm sure they already have that idea. 326 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: But now, once you have the pieces in place, okay, 327 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: we need you more of a linebacker role, or we 328 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: need to put some more masks on you because you're 329 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna have your hand in the ground a little bit 330 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: more than we expected initially depending on what comes unto 331 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: our roster. So it's huge in terms of the time 332 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: span that they get to work with their coaches and 333 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: their leadership, and then in terms of his actual leadership aspect, 334 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: it's huge because now you're not coming in as the rookie. 335 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Now you're coming in as a guy who had who's 336 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: one of the most impactful players in the league last year. 337 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: But what is that going to do to your psyche? 338 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: Are you gonna be are you gonna be big headed? 339 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Are you gonna come in and take the leadership role? Right? 340 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: What are what role you're gonna really play? Because it's 341 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: easy to get high and mighty when everybody's saying, oh 342 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, oh bazook, oh, oh my god? Right, does 343 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: that change your approach in an all season because guys 344 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: that are now coming on to the team, they might 345 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: respect your play, but they don't have to respect you 346 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: as a person. So that's gonna be interesting to see 347 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: how he what role he takes on in that regard. 348 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: How do you think it affects him as far as 349 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: dan Quinn now knowing what he has and implementing his system. 350 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: And that's what I kind of was was hearing what 351 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: you're saying, but now taking that leadership role. That's that's 352 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: probably the thing that you're saying is most important in 353 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: this offseason. For Yeah, it was big because you think 354 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 1: about last year. It was the experiment exact last year 355 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: was an experiment. You know, as you went throughout the season, 356 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: they kept trying things out. Okay, hey, we're gonna trying 357 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: him at linebacker and we're gonna blitz some up in 358 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: this gap. Okay, that worked cool, All right, Now let's 359 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: go ahead and move him outside. We had a defense 360 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: and end that's hurt. Let's put him on the outside. 361 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Oh crap, he can rush too. Okay, let's right, that's 362 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: going and put him man in a man coverage on 363 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: the running back. Everything was an experiment. Now he knocked 364 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: everything out there out the part it was it was 365 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: he passed every test with flying colors. However, it was 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: an experiment. So now you know what he's capable of. Right, 367 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: you put the you put the green dot on him 368 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Okay, you put the dot on 369 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: his helmet, not so much too much on him. Okay, 370 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: now you have a whole off season to let him 371 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: grow into that role. You're not trying to force that 372 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: on him. You're not throwing that on him and seeing, Hey, 373 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: if we throw that on him, that might be too 374 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: much for him and we might lose the game in 375 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: the process. Now you know exactly what you have and 376 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: you can build him into that role that you have 377 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: for him. And don't you feel the same way about 378 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Osa Diggi Zola and yeah, and Chauncey Golson and players 379 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: like that that were contributors, especially Olsa Digi Zoo and 380 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: having that domination that he had the defensive front. How 381 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: pivotal the off season is for players like him. Absolutely, 382 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: m He's a guy I don't know we've talked about 383 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: that much in terms of how much he played, how 384 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: much he contributed. And then because I think Neville Gallimore 385 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: comes back mid season and we kind we didn't forget 386 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: about Osa, but he was He was a vital starter 387 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: that first half of the season, and then they get 388 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: a couple of vets back and then it's like, Okay, 389 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: he can take a little bit of a breath here, 390 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: but they're relying on him next season. They're relying on 391 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Chauncey Golson, Like you said, who, by the way, missed 392 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: all of training camp last year and a couple of 393 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: games into the season and then all of a sudden, 394 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: now you got to you gotta hit the ground running 395 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of your first regular season that you 396 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: didn't have any training for. So I think this will 397 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: be beneficial for him, And you're right about Mica, like 398 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: you think about how remarkable it was for him. Experiments 399 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: a good word because Week one against Tampa Bay, he's 400 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: covering Gronkowski and Fournette, but he's he's basically in coverage 401 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the whole time, rushing a little bit. Week two, Tank 402 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: breaks his foot and dan Quinn's like, nah, you're you're 403 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna be an edge rusher for fifty snaps. I don't 404 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: know if he was ready for that, but he handled 405 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: it and he became one of the best defensive players 406 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: in the league. So let's just call the experiment our 407 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: test drive. They recognize the kind of vehicle that they have, 408 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: and they're gonna drop the hell out of it come 409 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: on into his second season. But I think that brings me, 410 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: you know to this point, Isaiah, you know the team 411 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: has changed so much over the offseason and lack of 412 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: moves or whatever. Do you think, like you being in 413 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: the locker room and knowing the culture of how guys talk, 414 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: do you think that these guys are saying, man, okay, 415 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: so Hoop's gone, Gregory's gone, all right, we got this guy, 416 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean sore subject with IRS and I know, hey, 417 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: I know who to ask right the hot button question. 418 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: So you know, are these guys talking to saying, man, 419 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: we you know, we need some help around here? Are 420 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: they saying we could work with what we got as 421 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a competitor, as a as a professional athlete. You're going 422 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: to when you speak on it, okay, when you mentioned 423 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: are they talking about it? When you speak on it, 424 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna speak with confidence. You're gonna speak as if 425 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: you know you have the pieces that you need. You're 426 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: gonna go out there and work as we can make 427 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: this thing happen. Okay, if we if we're the reality okay, 428 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: behind the scenes in your head, Okay, you're gonna be 429 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: like we slim, yeah right, we're slim at this position 430 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: we change wah, yeah, like we're slim. You know certain positions, 431 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: you know, regardless of what those positions are, you're slim. Right, 432 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: So that's the reality. But is that something that you're 433 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna out really talk about. No, right, just like there's 434 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of topics in this world that we 435 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: don't talk about hourly, but you talk about it behind 436 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: the scenes. Right, it's the same thing. You acknowledge the reality. Right. 437 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: But depending on the position that you're in. If you're 438 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: a starter already and you're you're you're already submitted in 439 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: that position, you're not tripment. We're good, We're good to you. Okay. 440 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: If i'm office alignment, I would like a veteran in there. 441 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: But the bets guarden are gone, so we're gonna be 442 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: getting a Rickie in here, most likely at guard. Okay, 443 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: you just recognize that reality and you say, okay, as 444 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: soon as soon as the young man gets in here, 445 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: we got work to do, right, we have we gotta 446 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: we have to get linked up. We gotta have some 447 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: kind of continuity. If you're a young guy, or if 448 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: you're a guy that's a little bit down on the 449 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: depth chart. No, no, don't bring nobody in here. Don't. 450 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: We're actually, okay, guys, worry about it. If you're semi 451 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: right now, you're like, no, please let me have nobody. Right, 452 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: You're like no, So you you want every rep that 453 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: you can get because you recognize I'm on the bubble. Yeah, 454 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: sim you better be taking every rep, lifting every weight, 455 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: every special teams beat in in freaking uh bones fossils 456 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: hip pocket because he's gonna be your best friend. And 457 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: you recognize that anybody that they bring in here. I've 458 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 1: been in that situation all too many times in my career. Right. 459 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: I was a special teams core guy. That was my role. 460 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: I never became a big time receiver, right. The most 461 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: receiver I played was in New England with Moss and 462 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: Welcome and all that stuff. That was the most I played. 463 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: Other than that, I was a special teams dude. Okay, 464 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: I recognized that was my value. Right, So when they 465 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: brought in somebody for a workout, or they brought somebody 466 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: else on the team, I knew where I had to shine. Yeah, 467 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna necessarily outshine somebody at the receiver position. 468 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: My whole career. I was still trying to figure that out, right, 469 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: But in terms of special teams. Oh yeah, you're not 470 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: beating me on special teams, right, So I understood where 471 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: my value was. I understand where my advantage was. And 472 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: those type of players have to figure that out right now. 473 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: If you're in no man's lane or you're you're pe 474 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: Island trying to wait for the next ride to come along, 475 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna make it because if you're not 476 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: a core guy at the receiver position, if you're not 477 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: a core guy on special team, then where are you? Right? 478 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: And that's the same to be said with defensive backs, 479 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Not you're a linebacker on this team, you're 480 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: probably on a roster. But that's about it. Talk that talk, 481 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: I said, and this is coming from a fourth round 482 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: draft pick that hey worked his way to a Super 483 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Bowl championship. So found on that my brother, and we 484 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: are ten days away from the draft and everybody is 485 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is Jerry going to do? 486 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: And he said, and I'm gonna tease this where we're 487 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: moving on up. 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Yeah, 532 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: he's in it. He's in He's doing the virtual. Remember 533 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. He's gonna virtually. Oh, he's gonna 534 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: do the virtual. Tell him the mass mandate's gone on 535 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: an airplane. He goes, Okay, well, look about five shows 536 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: to do in that morning. I forgot I forgot about 537 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: because magazine better put it up there. His magazine, better 538 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: put it up there. It's the draft. It's the I 539 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: was about to call the draft Bible. Won't do that 540 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: because I want to pass go. It is the Star 541 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: magazine and uh yeah you Bible and digital and prints 542 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: by two by three, get you some. I'll tell you what. 543 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Maybe a read next year? Right here? That guy, all right, 544 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: what you're saying is there read there on the table? 545 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: I read it for the draft, guid I did I 546 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: read it? We're good, right, Gucci? Yeah? Oh no, no, no, 547 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: no no. The twenty twenty two Dallas Cowboys Starry Magazine 548 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Draft Guide is now available in local pro shops, so 549 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: leg read regional outlets, print as well as online digital 550 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: branch edition will be available fanatics soon. Yeah there is. Yeah, 551 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: thank you, Chris. I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you 552 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: were trying to tell me. You know what, I don't 553 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: understand unless you say, does that make sense? So? What's 554 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: your what's your college of choice for what? Just like 555 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: like I'm you dub he's A and M Kansas State, 556 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: Ka State, Ka State. Okay, yeah, well can't Okay, they 557 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: got some fast dudes to come out of there and 558 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: lock it t New Barret Brooks, big guy Pittsburgh, still 559 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: Hack Marrison. I mean, come on, throw some names out. 560 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, you claim and m on everything and 561 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: you already know you do. I don't even question this 562 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: man over here about but guys, we have the draft 563 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: coming up and next week, this twenty fourth pick, this 564 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: twenty fourth pick is starting to heat up. When what 565 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna do because they have emptied the 566 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: reserves and so when the question no, but when the 567 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: question was posed last week about what are we going 568 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: to do in the draft, I was the only one 569 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm tooting my horn here that said we would move 570 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: up and Jerry echoed that. Man, Jay say, you know, 571 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: that's a great way to ask that question. Uh. Yeah, 572 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: we'll be in straighting that. We will be interested in that. 573 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: We're moving up, moving on up. We're moving on up, 574 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: George Jefson style. Yeah, man, come on, So I'm telling you, so, guys, 575 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: what do you think? And I want to ask this 576 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: question because I know that at twenty four you are 577 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: thinking offensive linemen. But if you move up in this draft, 578 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: you probably have an opportunity to get some real studs. 579 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: And so what are you giving what position? I mean 580 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: for let's say best if if you get why, don't 581 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: get crazy, No, don't get crazy, say it doesn't want 582 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: a receiver in the first round? Trade up for a receiver? 583 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: Don't do it? Can we couch real quick? Because Jerry, 584 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: he did say it was a general question about your 585 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: draft philosophy. Yes, trade up, trade down, and he did 586 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: specifically mentioned trading up, but he did say also maybe 587 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in the first three rounds. He didn't say necessarily 588 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: first round. But it is interesting. It's interesting that that 589 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: he's throwing that out there as a possibility, like, hey, 590 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: my phone's on exactly that's exactly what that was my 591 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 1: phone's on. You know, yeah, guys, there is a possibility 592 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: that you can go up and really get you a 593 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: stud cornerback. I'm just saying, don't don't do this nerve back. 594 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: There are so many things you could do. You could 595 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: go up and you can go and get you a 596 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: stud left tackle. Yes, okay, I mean, I'm just saying 597 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: that these are these are can't miss. These are can't 598 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: miss items. At the top. You can also go up 599 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: get you a stud defensive end. Oh Russian, No, how 600 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: far are you willing to go up? I want to 601 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: go into. If I'm gonna go up, I'm going to 602 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: the top ten. Okay, I'm dancing with You're not gonna 603 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: have none to other picks. So I just had this 604 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: discussion with Dave upstairs, Dave Hellman, and they apparently I 605 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: missed the Draft show. Sorry Kyle, Sorry Dave. This morning 606 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: they talk kind of the same thing. So Chris was there, 607 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: so m if So there's draft charts out there, right, 608 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: and it's a it's not a bible, but it's it's 609 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of a guide on what the point system might 610 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: be if you wanted to move up. So Dave and 611 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: I were just playing around up there. Just now, if 612 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: you wanted to jump from twenty four into the top ten, 613 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: say number nine, okay, according to one draft chart, it 614 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 1: would cost you well, now, okay, the number nine pick 615 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: would be valued at thirteen hundred and fifty points if 616 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: you jumped from if you gave up your first round 617 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: pick twenty four fifty six or second round pick, and 618 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: your fifth round pick, that wouldn't quite get you there. 619 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: That'd be like eleven hundred points. So you might have 620 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: to dip in a little further into your draft cool 621 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: to do that, but either way, it's going to be 622 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: multiple picks to do something like that. Now, apparently Peter 623 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: King had a story out there that said this draft 624 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: is not as great as past drafts, and so it 625 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't require as much equity necessarily to move up as 626 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: past years. But either way, man, for a team that's 627 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of needs, you willing to trade multiple picks, 628 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: don't do it. Reconsidering here's a thing who's more desperate 629 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: for a championship at this point, twenty six years of mediocrity. 630 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: You want to make this move. You if you have 631 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to shore up your offensive line with a 632 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: stud you would have did it into offseason already, but 633 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you couldn't. I mean, come on, I mean no, no, 634 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: you would have to pay the price for that on 635 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: an offensive line that you already have big contracts on. 636 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I think you want this guy to be a rookie, 637 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: you want that paper to be come on, or unless 638 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: you're getting those those B level offensive lineman. He if 639 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: they if the Dallas Cowboys make the decision to trade 640 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: up in the first round, I can see them maybe 641 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: moving up maybe seven eight. I am to say maybe fourteen. 642 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: Believe you being so conservative, nocause you're talking about you're 643 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: talking about trading away your draft equity, which we know 644 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: is necessary this year. It's a necessity this year because 645 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: they have a lot of holes to feel. If you 646 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: were going to make a move, an aggressive move, it 647 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: should have been on a free agent. Fellas. Let me 648 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: ask you this though, really, and all the importance that 649 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: we're putting on the draft, how many of those players 650 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: actually come in and contribute the first year? I mean, well, okay, 651 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: that's that's fair. That's fair. I mean usually you're looking 652 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: at three guys maybe something that really like we just mentioned, 653 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: Osa steps in and obviously the Bazuka. But yeah, it's 654 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: not your whole draft class. That's why when we talk about, oh, 655 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: they've got four fifth round picks, those guys on playing 656 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: your former teammate Orlando Scandrick was the last fifth round 657 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: pick that really became a starter for this team. But 658 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: on the flip side, I would say, based off of 659 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: your needs, you need your second round pick to be 660 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: a starter, like you don't just need your first round 661 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: pick to hit. You got it. You have to nail 662 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: this draft, and that's why I'm I would be hesitant 663 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: to do that. I hear you though, you got a 664 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: better chance of getting a Jimmy. Yeah I'm listening, but 665 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm hearing you, but I'm not listening. You got a 666 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: better chance of getting too Michael Parsons in the top 667 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: ten than you do it you do or I hear 668 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: you there that guy that's going to contribute immediately and 669 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: right now. The way that this draft is shaping up, 670 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: I have questions all the way through. It stops at 671 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: ten for me. Every other guy after that. I have 672 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: a big question mark on even these offensive linemen. I 673 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: think that all of these offensive linemen, that especially the 674 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: guards that they're talking about, these guys should have a 675 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: second round grade in any other in any other draft, 676 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: because you don't have the number of quarterbacks at the 677 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: top of this draft. Some of these guys would have 678 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: failed completely out of the first round draft. And we're 679 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: talking as far as a grade or pick. There are 680 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: teams that are going to reach significantly on drafts, and 681 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: you talk about teams like the Jets, are other franchises 682 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: that have multiple first round picks. You got some dancing 683 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: partners up there, and I think that's why Jerry said, 684 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: depending on who's on the other line and what deal 685 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: can actually be made, because historically speaking, your draft picks 686 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: haven't been able to go straight off the bus and 687 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: play for you in the last couple of years. You'd 688 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: like to think that they have. So the actual capital 689 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: that you think you're drafting the way is really it's 690 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: going to pay off for you on the return because 691 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: of his immediate ability to play. Right now, Can you 692 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: afford to come out of this draft without having the 693 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: depth that you need going into camp. You're not going 694 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: to get all the depth out of the draft and 695 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: say all of it. I'm not saying all of it, 696 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: but you need to feel some holes you have some 697 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: gaping holes that if you decide to move up in 698 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: the first round, you are not going to be able 699 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: to feel even a lettle but not even not even 700 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: with a Q tip QI ain't gonna be able to 701 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: fill them home. So the the So let's go to 702 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: the wide receiver and let's go to the wide receiver position. Okay, 703 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver position, and this is a thin draft and 704 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver, yeah, I think so I thought it was 705 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: you thought I'm for me, for the talent, for the talent, 706 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: for a guy that can step in and be that's 707 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Immediate impact guys. I think it's thin. 708 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of those guys that you have 709 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: are just developmental guys. You don't have a burner. The 710 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: guy that is a burner is got an ACL So 711 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about it, Williams. Right. And so 712 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: if we're if we're saying a guy that I think 713 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: that can come straight off the street and play it 714 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: right now, it's the kid from Arkansas Burke. Okay, but 715 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a first round draft pick. You know, 716 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: I would say high second if he falls down that far. 717 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: That's that's just my opinion. But offensive line I know 718 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: you need, but I'm thinking that you still can get 719 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: offensive lineman if that's the holes that you're talking about 720 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: feeling in the second and third round. Also, So if 721 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: based on that thinking, would it make more sense to 722 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: trade down them maybe in another round, not out of 723 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: the because for the reasons you just brought up, that's 724 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: why I'm kind of thinking if you're gonna trade, maybe 725 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: you trade down because you could because I'm thinking the 726 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: Travis Frederick deal they made in twenty thirteen. If you don't, 727 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have a lot of first 728 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: round grades, if you don't have twenty four first round grades, 729 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: which typically maybe you don't anyway, right, you could trade 730 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: back a few picks if there's a guy you still 731 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: think you could get that you like, pick up an 732 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: extra third whatever. And like I said, I said, you're 733 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 1: you're creating volume here. And it is a draft where 734 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: there maybe there's not a lot of home run guys 735 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: like you're saying, but it is a deeper draft because 736 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: of COVID, because you guys had an extra year and 737 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: now they're coming into the draft and and maybe this 738 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: is a year where volume of picks works more. That's 739 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at, more so than than trading up. 740 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: If they had done more in free agency, I'd feel 741 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: better about moving up, honestly. And I think and I 742 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: think the situation is fluid as well, because on draft night, 743 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: if there's a guy that you've been looking at in 744 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: the top ten, I thinking he would be it in 745 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: top ten and he falls completely out because I don't know, 746 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Detroit goes up and picks a quarterback. Well, that's a 747 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: great point. And that's and maybe that's what Jerry's referring to, 748 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: or maybe in part because he did say first three rounds, 749 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: well maybe generally speaking, but that's what that's what happened 750 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb. He just kind of fell to him. 751 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: And maybe he's just talking about being flexible, like if 752 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: a guy falls, like you said, maybe not twenty picks, 753 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: trade up twenty picks, but enough picks where hey, you 754 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: can jump up a little bit and get our guy. Uh, 755 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: maybe that's more realist. So Isaiah, put your jam hat on. 756 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: I always have minds on. All right, we'll put it. 757 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: We'll keep it on tight. Thinking you're at twenty four 758 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're saying, look, if one 759 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: of these what are you saying. I'm not put words 760 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: in your mouth. What are you saying? At twenty four? 761 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: I need to feel the guard position number one. First thing, 762 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: First thing, I need to feel the guard. I need 763 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: to protect our most valuable asset. You're not thinking and 764 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: establish our ability to score points, because if you can't 765 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: run the ball, if you can't block, pass, block, this 766 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: offense is yeah, and you and you lit you cut 767 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: your right tackle and you're seeing that Terence Steel. Is 768 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: that your left guard is Connor McGovern. I'm saying that 769 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: at this point, and your right tackle is at least 770 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: competitive and he's dependable. Is he dominant? No? Is he dependable? Yes? 771 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: What position do you have to feel? Left guard? Absolutely? 772 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely must feel left guard. And I think that that 773 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: should be their number one priority because this team can 774 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: only go as far as as this offense can actually score. 775 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: We know we're in the scoring league now. I don't 776 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: care how well this defense plays. I can't see them 777 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: playing better than they play last year and turns. The 778 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: ability to turn over the ball that was just a 779 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: crazy year, right, So you have to be able to 780 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: score points, and we've seen how ineffective. This team is 781 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: with running the ball with all the issues that we're 782 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: president on the line last year, and if you can't 783 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: rent the ball, I'm sorry. DA's not your man to 784 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: sit back there and sling the thing all over the place. 785 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: He's not so recognize that, identify it. Sorry, Cowboys Nation, 786 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: don't be mad at me. That's the quarterback that's here. 787 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: He is a baller when you provide him a running game. Well, 788 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: I love playing the Devil's advocate. This is fun because 789 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: I completely I agree with that. But then on the 790 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: other side of it, you have left tackle issues that 791 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: reliability dependability issues, which your left tackle he's aging you. 792 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: You're back in this pickle every year. So if you 793 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: go back to the last season, was the biggest issue. 794 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: Obviously Connor Williams had his issues. He's out of here now, 795 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: but I think it was the durability of your left 796 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: tackle that really came back to bite you. Yeah, Tyrn 797 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: missed six games, Yeah, six games and fifth fifteen, fourteen 798 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: or fifteen the year before, and then there was a 799 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: like a four or five year stretch where even this 800 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: at least three starts. So like your swing tackle, I 801 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: love Tyrn Smith he's gonna go to the Hall of 802 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: Fame probably, But your swing tackle has to be prepared 803 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: to start multiple games to your point, and every season 804 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: has to be prepared for it. I think the hardest 805 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: decision that the Cowboys are going to have to make 806 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: in the first round of this draft is making the 807 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: decision either to trade up and grab a left tackle 808 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: or a sure thing at the left guard position. I 809 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the hardest decision they're got to make. 810 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: I feel as if teams don't let left tackles really fall, 811 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: it's just not a thing that happens, okay, but it 812 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: should that present itself. I think that's the only thing 813 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: that will force them to move up. And if they 814 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: decide to go up, they're gonna be faced with that 815 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: shoot guard or tackle. If we draft the tackle, we 816 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: still have that same hole in our office a line. 817 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: So that's why I said, dang it, he can replace 818 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: Tyrant as soon as Tyrant decides to shut it down. 819 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: But we don't want to piss off Tyrant. And at 820 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, this guy just be sitting 821 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: behind them, adding no value to us, Like you can 822 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: play god guard and start off and yeah, so that 823 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: that's the only situation I can see them moving up 824 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: to grab somebody. They better not doing it for a receiver. 825 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: They better not doing it for a cornerback. They better 826 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: not do it for a defensive end. It better be 827 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: to sure up this line because you cannot be productive offensively. 828 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't care who's your off as a coordinator. All right, 829 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: you can bring marsh back as far as I concern, 830 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: right and you will not move the ball unless you 831 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: can run the ball in this offense. Now, I completely 832 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: agree with what you just said, and I think it's 833 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: left guard as well. But I just feel like the 834 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: grade on those left guards are way too high. I 835 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: think you can get a better left guard in the 836 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: second round and you be okay um, I think even 837 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: at the left at the tackle position. I want to 838 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: see what what ball has I mean, we drafted him. 839 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: We just want to I just want to see. I mean, tyring, 840 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: we still have Ni Seki. I hadn't heard anything about him. 841 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: But I totally agree with you. But guess what. The 842 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: car car values are way too high right now too. 843 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: But if you need a whip, guess what you gotta 844 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: pay it? No, for sure, Yeah, I mean that those hey, 845 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: nothing but facts. But this is not me playing the 846 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: devil's aff here. If I'm going to trade up and 847 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: get someone and this may send you over the over 848 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: the rails here, I'm going to get Jordan Davis from 849 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: from Georgia. I don't get I don't have a I 850 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. And let me just 851 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: be clear about this. But you can't get him. Why 852 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: because you gotta give up your whole draft class to 853 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: get him. What he's been depends on where he falls. 854 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: He trusts mock drafts. He typically has not gone past five, five, fifteen, sixteen. Yes, 855 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: you know he ain't going that far. Not possible. Not 856 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: freaking name the last mammoth athlete that you've seen come 857 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: across this league. Like, I think the way that they're 858 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: putting these draft guys together saying that he's not in 859 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: every down, yeah, thing is yes, two guys. Yes, I 860 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: think that's impactful, and I think a lot of draft 861 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: scouts are maybe weighing that. I'm hoping, come on, come on, Isaiah, 862 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: don't give me that look. I'm trying to sell it. 863 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: And I recognize and I love your sever There are 864 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: certain players that come across every generation every year. Whatever 865 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: you want to say that you just you gotta grab him. 866 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: The reason why because he works in every system. Yeah, 867 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: he works in every system. There's not one team that's like, ah, 868 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: we don't need that guy, Baltimore. We don't need. We 869 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: don't need a three hundred and forty pound man that 870 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: runs a four to seven. Yea, we don't need that. 871 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: And you know, and I don't know if we've talked 872 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: enough about run defense here, like I because it was improved, Okay, 873 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it was the second most rushing yards 874 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: they've ever allowed in the history of the franchise, so 875 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: it was way better than that. But I want to 876 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: say they gave up one hundred plus yards in like 877 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: thirteen games last year. So I mean it was and 878 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: a ton to San Francisco, And that's the last memory 879 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: you have of this team was not stopping the run, 880 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: not running the ball, and not protecting Dak. So I 881 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with a big defensive tackle coming 882 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: in that can help shore things up. That's the only 883 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: person that I could see them moving up for us 884 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: and let me kind of go back. But the reason 885 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: why I haven't brought him up because I don't think 886 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: it's even tangible to have to have a shot at him. Man, 887 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: I just don't I hear you know. I'm a realist though. 888 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: Every single team, yeah can take him and utilize him immediately. Yeah, 889 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: and if you trust the mocks, which maybe we shouldn't. 890 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: But but the most practice thing, because I agree with you, guys, 891 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: the most practical thing is, Hey, you sit and you 892 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: wait at twenty four, and there's a guard that falls 893 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: to you at twenty four that you feel great about 894 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: and plugs probably the most glaring immediate hole that you 895 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: have on your team. That's that's the most practical thing 896 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: to me. Twenty four it's fun to talk about moving around. 897 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: Twenty four is just that great area in the first 898 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: round that you just don't know what you're getting. I 899 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: know we've got some quality at twenty four before Davis 900 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: was twenty four, but we want we have to get 901 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: a guy, I mean this guy, especially where we are 902 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: with our depth and the depth chart isn't looking good 903 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: in a lot of areas when you go through it. 904 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, you're one hundred percent right. Twenty four okay, 905 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, twenty eight or so was Byron Jones. 906 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: You hit on Byron Jones twenty seven was Taco Charlton, Like, 907 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: you don't. It's not it's not an exact science. In 908 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: the late first round. I mean, those top ten picks 909 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: are great because you kind of know you're gonna get 910 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: a stud. You don't necessarily know how it's going to 911 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: pan out, you know. Yeah, I'm not gonna say Jordan Davis. 912 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah he'll be. He'll probably be in New York. As 913 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this list, you know, And I do 914 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: everything I've been, I do everything not to have him 915 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: be end up in New York. I don't want to 916 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: see him in New York. I don't want to see 917 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: him in Philly. He's gonna be there. I don't want 918 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: to see him as a commander. And there are a 919 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: lot of places he would work in Philly, right up 920 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: the college. Yes, that's that's the kind of player they need. 921 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: But he is the kind of player that we need 922 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: in the narrative have changed from the twenty twenty season 923 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: when we were saying all we need is the middle 924 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: of the world defense. Well they were eleventh and they 925 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: you saw it with that got us. We still couldn't 926 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: stop anyone. What you said, thirteen games with more than 927 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: a hundred yards, we couldn't protect that. I mean that's right. 928 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, let's they were. It was a good defense. 929 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: It was they were vastly improved. And but the biggest 930 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: thing they did well was they turned the ball over. 931 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 1: They turned you over. You know, there's the run game, 932 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: big plays in the past game. Those things can still improve, 933 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: for sure. I'm sure dan Quinn would agree with that. 934 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: Like Drake says, I want that stuff to have him 935 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: and but I don't think it's gonna happen. But what 936 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna do is tr take a break and we'll 937 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: come back because I got a guy that we want 938 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: to talk about. His name is TP. Coming up next 939 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys New Doctor Peppers zero sugar. 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My man Isaiah standing 980 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: back in the Champions in the drunk Uncle is back. 981 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: He's in the building with his top guns on Rob 982 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 1: P with the double B Maverick two coming out there. 983 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: It is top Gun two, sorry Maverick. So guys, yes, 984 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: talk about a top gun and Tony Pollard TP and 985 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: I labeled this in the production outline lineup as the 986 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,439 Speaker 1: Curious Case of Tony Pollard. And the reason I say that, guys, 987 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: is that he is the one guy fan favorite, by 988 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,919 Speaker 1: the way, and it's just growing the momentum of love 989 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: from Cowboy nation that he could be your RB one 990 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: if you look at it. And even PF, and I 991 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: call PF because I want to win the argument says 992 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: that he is the highest rated running back. Guys. Do 993 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: you see the Dallas Cowboys using Tony Pollard's strengths more 994 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: in this season and given Ezekiel Elliott more of a 995 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: what do you call that, not off days but a 996 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: little bit more rest. Do you see that starting to 997 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: happen here in Dallas with Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott. 998 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: I think at this point I've got to see it 999 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: to believe it. Yeah, I mean we say this every 1000 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: year about Tony, like he looks like he could do more, 1001 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: and then he plays thirty percent of the snaps something 1002 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: like that, and he was really good in his role, 1003 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: and he had a couple of games where he was 1004 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: banged up too. But I think as long as Zeke 1005 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: is here, I think Zeke's the primary guy, and I 1006 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: think I think one thing I will say is, you know, 1007 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talked about in training camp last year of 1008 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,760 Speaker 1: getting more of a split to preserve Zeke for the playoffs. 1009 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: Load management, load management, basically NBA style. And there was 1010 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: a stretch there where the run game was awesome. I mean, 1011 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: they were getting one hundred and fifty yards a game 1012 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: we the first month of the season, more or less, 1013 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: and Zeke's carries were seventy four and Tony's were fifty eight, 1014 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: and it was that damn near getting close to a 1015 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: fifty fifty split, and maybe that's what they were trying 1016 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: to do. And then and then Zeke gets banged up 1017 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: and the production just wasn't the same and the offensive 1018 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: line didn't play as well, and they're just you know, 1019 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: it just didn't It just didn't click. But I personally, 1020 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they played Zeke as much as they 1021 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: did in certain stretches when he clearly looked like he 1022 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: was struggling with that need that he was dealing with. 1023 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: And he's a warrior and he doesn't want to come 1024 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,800 Speaker 1: out and I respect the hell out of him for that, 1025 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: but I was a little surprised there wasn't more Tony 1026 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: in certain spots last year. To answer your question, it's no, 1027 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: it's no. It's a no for me. Reason being, there 1028 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: are elements to a TP's game that are undeveloped yet 1029 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: that he hopefully and I'm sure he's working on it 1030 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,800 Speaker 1: this offseason. You can't afford to take Zeke out of 1031 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: the game for and those areas I'm speaking to his 1032 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: pass pass blocking. People look at Zeke and say, oh, 1033 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: he's lost a step, or oh, he's not as explosive 1034 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: as he used to be. Here, Oh he's not pulling 1035 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,320 Speaker 1: away from people like he used to be. Yeah, but 1036 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 1: he's keeping people off of your number one back, and 1037 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: that is Dak Prescott. And there is no replacing a 1038 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: running back who can pass block Maurice Jones. Drew's one 1039 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: of the unsung heroes in the NFL's history simply because, 1040 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: if not simply because in fact he was a great 1041 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: running back, but because of the fact he was able 1042 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: to pass block, he kept people off his quarterbacks back 1043 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: and that is the same thing that Zeke does. He 1044 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 1: gets all the paychecks because of his abilities to play 1045 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,359 Speaker 1: an encompassing game in terms of being able to run 1046 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: the ball, in terms of being on a catch the 1047 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: ball at the backfield and be able to block. He 1048 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: is a part of the protection. So when you have 1049 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,759 Speaker 1: off as a coordinator named Kellen Moore who likes to 1050 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: throw the ball around more than he likes to run 1051 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: the ball, you can't afford to take the running back 1052 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,399 Speaker 1: off the field. Who's able to be that sixth man 1053 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,879 Speaker 1: on the line, the six man up front to hold 1054 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: the guys off of your quarterback when you put TP 1055 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: up there. That's not to say that he's unable or 1056 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: uncapable of or incapable of actually, you know, doing a 1057 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: good job at the pass blocking position. To roles, he's 1058 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: nowhere near as effective as Zeke. So if you have 1059 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: a tendency to put TP out there, teams are like, 1060 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: who's back there, Okay, we could bring some pressure, Versus 1061 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: if you put Zeke back there, it's like we could 1062 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: send somebody, but he ain't gonna get to him because 1063 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: Zeke's gonna pick him up. That's the mentality, that's the 1064 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: element of the game that most fans don't identify and 1065 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: don't recognize that going to the decision making in terms 1066 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: of how much playing time these guys get. Running game 1067 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: was ineffective. You have to pass more. If I have 1068 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,879 Speaker 1: to pass more, that means we have to protect more. 1069 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: That means that we need Zeke in the game. Now, 1070 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: didn't you see at certain points in the season that 1071 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard just added an extra dimension to your running game? 1072 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: This undeniable. Sure, some of the things that he does, 1073 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, just his quick twitch ability from the line 1074 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Even being able to use him in pass coverage. Now, 1075 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: that's where I was really shocked that he wasn't used 1076 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: as much in the past in the passing game. You know, 1077 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 1: I think last year three hundred and thirty seven yards receiving. 1078 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,479 Speaker 1: That's not a whole lot. I mean though, right, because 1079 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,320 Speaker 1: when he's in the backfield, they're gonna bring pressure so 1080 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: he can't get out. He can't get out into his route. 1081 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 1: Because as soon as you see him in the backfield, 1082 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,799 Speaker 1: if it's a passing down and you see those guys 1083 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: going to a pass, I'm sending somebody. I'm sending somebody. 1084 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: There's a thing called a green dog, right, so you're 1085 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: familiar with familiar with, Okay, most fans maybe not. Green 1086 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: dog means that as soon as I see these guys 1087 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: pass black, as soon as I see everybody consumer, I'm 1088 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: sending a guy, even though that wasn't my initial planity 1089 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 1: your initial as a linebacker, initially you weren't called to blitz. 1090 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: But if you see that guy even sit back there 1091 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: and it's a pass, go why Because I'm confident that 1092 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: you can run through that running backs chess or get 1093 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: around him or whatever. Throw him out the club like 1094 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 1: Jazz Jeff on fresh press and get to the quarterback. 1095 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: If Zeke is back there, I'm not making that same call. 1096 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: But how much does that have to do with scheme though? 1097 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean as far as how you're gonna use Tony 1098 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: Pollard and I'm on it, and I said this on 1099 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: the last week's show about using him like Deebo Samuel's 1100 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: and I'm the same schematics as far as height, weight, 1101 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: all of those things. The way that the league is going, 1102 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 1: you're running back your receivers are gonna have to do 1103 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of both. We saw how they use 1104 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: CD Lambs sometimes as a running back as well. You 1105 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: want to have the explosion, explosion and diversity in your 1106 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 1: offense to be able to use your guys like that. 1107 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: When you talk about Zeke, you're really talking about Zeke 1108 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: as an extra offensive lineman instead of running back. Well, 1109 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but there's so many we know 1110 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: I healthy Zeke the ball, of course, we know it. 1111 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: Healthy ze can catch the ball and out the backfield. 1112 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: We also know a healthy Zeke can keep guys off 1113 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,399 Speaker 1: a deck. That's the that's the trifecta. That's the reason 1114 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: why he gets paid when he plays all That's why 1115 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,799 Speaker 1: he plays all the snaps. We can't say that about 1116 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: TP yet. Right, TP, he catched the ball out the backfield, 1117 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: he could run the ball very effectively, in explosive right 1118 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: the element the wild factor, But the blocking hasn't came yet, 1119 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: so you can't rely on him the same way you 1120 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: can rely on Zeke. Now, if TP added that element 1121 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 1: to his game, if somehow someway he all of a 1122 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: sudden became a dominant pass blocker, then as a conversation, 1123 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: then it's conversation. But as long as that third element 1124 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 1: is missing, you can't take you can't afford to take 1125 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: Zeke out the field from majority of the game. He's 1126 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 1: been great in his role as a change of pace. 1127 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,799 Speaker 1: To your point, heck, and I will say there's been 1128 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: times where he's been asked to carry the load when 1129 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: Zeke's been out or banged up, and it's been tough 1130 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: sledding for him too. I mean, sometimes when you got 1131 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: that package of plays as a change of pace, it's easier. 1132 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like, I think we could stand 1133 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: to see more of Tony Pollard. And I wonder, like 1134 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,720 Speaker 1: you got me thinking about you know, Zeke's can almost 1135 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,319 Speaker 1: serve as like an extra linement. What about two back 1136 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: sets where you see both guys more. I got curious 1137 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: and I looked it up. That was only two percent 1138 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: of the time they went to twenty one personnel last year. 1139 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: There's twenty six snaps according to Sharp Football Stats. And 1140 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,720 Speaker 1: of course you know three wide receiver sets eleven perconnel 1141 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 1: they're going that's two thirds of the time twelve personnel 1142 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: about twenty five percent of the time. They don't do 1143 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 1: it very much, but they do play off each other 1144 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: very well, Zeke and Tony, and you could think maybe 1145 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: you could you could use more of that if you're 1146 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 1: Kelling Moore. Yeah, And I think about the off the 1147 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: front office. They really have their hand in the lion's 1148 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: mouth right now, because with Zeke's contract, it's impossible to 1149 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 1: get out of this season. So obviously he's gonna be there. 1150 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 1: And when I talk about Tony Pollard and him playing, 1151 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: he's going to be at the negotiation table here after 1152 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: this season. So you're gonna have to make a decision 1153 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: at the running back position. And oh, by the way, 1154 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and also Trey Vun Diggs, you're going to 1155 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: have to start thinking about those big contracts that are 1156 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: coming down as well. And David Hellman wrote a awesome 1157 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about this matter. But 1158 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,719 Speaker 1: I just feel as though when you look at it's 1159 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: from an organizational standpoint, you're gonna have to relieve some 1160 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: of that pressure from even a salary standpoint. And we've 1161 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: seen the way that this organization functions when you press 1162 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: him on salary. And that's why I think that Tony Pollard, 1163 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 1: you have to try and see what he has in 1164 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: those said try affect us to see how you can 1165 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: use this guy in the future. You have to be 1166 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: thinking of the future if you're the Cowboys at the 1167 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: running position. Running back position, that's right, he's a free 1168 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: agent after next season, everybody thinks ze Zeke's salary is 1169 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna be not palatable after one more season. So yeah, 1170 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's interesting how they could look in a 1171 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: year from now. But when in an offseason where you 1172 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: lose Amari Cooper and yeah, you're probably going to go 1173 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: in the draft and find your receiver to help, we're 1174 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: talking about holes in depth and trying to replace production. 1175 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: It sure seems like an opportunity to try to get 1176 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard more involved, even if and if it's not 1177 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,320 Speaker 1: an every down thing like you said, because you're right, 1178 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 1: like Zeke's Zeke's pass protection, that might have been the 1179 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: thing people talked about the most last year because he 1180 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: was banged up, He was not himself, He wasn't as productive. 1181 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 1: He still he still had impact, but he was still 1182 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean some of his highlights best highlights were just 1183 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: decleting guys and giving Dak an extra second. Yeah, doing 1184 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: what you can do, and we saw that. But I'm 1185 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm just saying for Tony Poller, this is with all 1186 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: of the love that he gets and all of the 1187 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 1: potential that he has to be explosive in this offense, 1188 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 1: you would think that this season, especially with the gaping 1189 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,479 Speaker 1: holes that you assume that you have at the wide 1190 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 1: receiver position that you can scheme for him. You know 1191 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: that two back set that you're talking about split backs. Yes, yeah, 1192 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,720 Speaker 1: you can do that if you have a solid offensive line. 1193 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean a lot, and I think and they had 1194 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 1: a silent offensive they do. And and debos different too, 1195 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: debos debos built like him tight end. You know, you 1196 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,920 Speaker 1: don't call you debo if you're skinny, so like it's 1197 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: piece like. So I think he's six foot just two 1198 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: hundred pounds, just maybe over two hundred two twelve. Okay, 1199 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm just saying most of them, the guys who were 1200 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: coming coming to hit him or what, they're coming from 1201 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: five yards depth at least free all right, If he 1202 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: say he's five yards in the backfield right there, they're 1203 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 1: three yards on the balls. So they're coming eight yards 1204 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,480 Speaker 1: downhill and they're weighing what two thirty two fifty at 1205 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: least at least And this is all thirty twos, This 1206 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,440 Speaker 1: is all thirty two teams are dealing with this. And 1207 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 1: the thing that I think the Cowboys have to find 1208 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: is another explosive weapons with what they lost. And that's 1209 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: why I point to him being that missing will and 1210 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,920 Speaker 1: maybe that's what everyone else isn't thinking about that they 1211 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: have plans for Tony Pollitt in the future and with 1212 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,600 Speaker 1: everything else that's coming down the line with I don't know. 1213 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: With with these contracts man, it's things are about to 1214 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,240 Speaker 1: get sticky him. He is on oad on how they 1215 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: how they maneuver with it. I mean, I'm just looking 1216 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: at the future. Dog got me. There's some bl land 1217 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 1: minds up ahead. But guy, if he if he has 1218 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: a big year, it could be like Jalen Brunson last night. 1219 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if we could pay his 1220 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 1: next contract fast enough. Poor MAVs man, I don't be 1221 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: a tough I don't know if you sign him. I 1222 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know if you got well, I know you are 1223 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: people like the NBA Playoffs is just off the chain 1224 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: right now in the Mavericks. That game last night was incredible, 1225 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,840 Speaker 1: great And I'm sorry guys, did adio Guys go to 1226 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,960 Speaker 1: the boxing match on sunny He was a boxing match. 1227 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: What didn't have the chain? He didn't go. I haven't 1228 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,120 Speaker 1: been in a while. Last one I went to was 1229 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 1: a pack y'all fight. Okay, Yeah, Errol Spence Junior not 1230 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,920 Speaker 1: been an er Spence fight. You gotta go it is 1231 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,919 Speaker 1: it is turned into the next one's gonna be nice. Yeah, 1232 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 1: it's it is turned into something that at and T Stadium. 1233 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: That's really nice. Y'all. Man, all of Dallas shows up 1234 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: and it's been a great weekend of sports, not only 1235 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: for the Spence fight, but MAVs get to win. And 1236 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: hey man, we've been talking TCT all day today. 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