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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Buck

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Speaker 2: with you Buck? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: DJ?

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Speaker 4: I am so excited and I'm excited because we have

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Speaker 4: one of our favorite people on today, John Gordon, someone

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Speaker 4: who you're really close to, someone who I follow all

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Speaker 4: of his stuff, read his books, listen to his podcast.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to just listen to some of the

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Speaker 4: nuggets that he's going to drop and impart on us

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Speaker 4: as we kind of share his message to the masses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had John on before. If you're new though

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Speaker 3: and haven't heard any of those conversations, you're gonna enjoy this.

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Speaker 3: John Is He's an author, husband, father, author, best selling

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Speaker 3: books and look, he talks to people all over the world,

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Speaker 3: millions and millions of readers and audience around the world.

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Speaker 3: He's the author of The Energy Bus. If you've read

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Speaker 3: that book's phenomenal, The Carpenter Training Camp, Power of Positive Leadership,

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Speaker 3: Power of a Positive Team, The One Truth, the bazillion books.

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Speaker 3: And he's done it with all different folks along the way.

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Speaker 3: He's been a mentor and a coach to guys like

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay, Dabbos Sweeney, he's done stuff with the Dodgers,

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Speaker 3: and Dave Roberts. Eric Spolstra is with the heat like

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Speaker 3: he has all these guys that he has poured into about,

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Speaker 3: you know, being a positive leader and being a transfer

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Speaker 3: transformative leader for their organizations. And it goes well beyond

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Speaker 3: sports into the business realm as well. But Buck, anytime

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Speaker 3: we get a chance to have him on, we jump

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Speaker 3: at the chance.

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Speaker 2: They just jump at the chance.

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Speaker 4: DJ just so much experience, so many connections, so many

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Speaker 4: lessons that he's given and he's learned, and to just

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Speaker 4: be able to kind of listen to the encounters that

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Speaker 4: he's had with so many great leaders. Look, you can't

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Speaker 4: help but be smarter and really be a better leader

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Speaker 4: after taking the advice that he gives out and shares

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Speaker 4: no doubt.

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Speaker 3: So, without further ado, here is our interview, our conversation

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Speaker 3: with our buddy John Gordon.

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Speaker 5: Well here he is.

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Speaker 3: Buck excited to have John back with us.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Man, we appreciate you taking the time

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Speaker 3: for us today. Where does life find you these days?

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Speaker 5: Great to be back with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I am back in Jacksonville, Florida, Panavidri Beach where I live.

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Speaker 1: Just was on the road in Dallas and then Louisiana

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to know, tell me about this event

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Speaker 2: that you just had.

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Speaker 3: You're constantly speaking all over the country, You're coaching coaches,

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Speaker 3: you're coaching leaders in business. But I was intrigued by

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Speaker 3: seeing the collection of folks that you had together, including

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Speaker 3: a little bit about that event and what was accomplished.

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Speaker 5: It was really special.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, I had a vision for an event called

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Speaker 1: Training Camp where I brought together business, leadership, sports, and

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Speaker 1: an element of faith based on my book Training Camp,

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Speaker 1: and it was a vision. And then I started inviting

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Speaker 1: me and Daniel. I couldn't believe it many of them,

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Speaker 1: almost all of them said yes. I was expecting them

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Speaker 1: like Dabo Sweeney came, We had Sean McVay, Mac Brown,

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Speaker 1: Trend Dilfer, we had Kevin O'Connell, Buzz Williams. It was

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Speaker 1: a collection Corey close people, were blown away by Corey

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Speaker 1: might be the smartest coach in the room. Actually, is

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Speaker 1: what people were saying. Even the male coaches were saying that,

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Speaker 1: which is really cool.

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Speaker 5: So it was just this great group.

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Speaker 1: Of guys all sharing, and they also not just talked

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Speaker 5: They talked about their failures, their mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle talked about how he felt when he left Carolina.

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Speaker 5: So the audience was blown away.

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Speaker 1: Really many people said it was one of the best

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Speaker 4: Look, man, it's so inspirational to hear you talk about

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Speaker 4: How does it feel for you to know that you're

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Speaker 5: That was really special. I was brought to tears.

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Speaker 1: Matthew West was our musical performer, and Matthew West is

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Speaker 1: unbelievable and he was playing music and he kicked started

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Speaker 1: the day and I literally teared up, thinking, Wow, like

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Speaker 5: And to know that I had this relationship.

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Speaker 1: With each one of them over the years, pouring into them,

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Speaker 1: and this was like the one event where they all

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Speaker 1: came back to be a part of something I was doing.

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Speaker 5: Now, I didn't do.

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Speaker 1: This all these years to think one day I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: it in terms of, like you build these relationships all

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a honestly one of the best

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Speaker 1: in that moment, like, Wow, what great people that I've

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Speaker 1: then to know that we're able to now make this

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Speaker 1: impact together. Jim Room, Jim Room, the broadcaster. Jim was like,

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Speaker 1: there's something going on here. I don't know what is

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Speaker 1: it is. He goes, I've never been in a room

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Speaker 1: the audience laughed, and Jim goes, I think it is.

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Speaker 5: It was such a cool moment.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a whole host of different things I

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Speaker 3: just talking about getting these people together and people always

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Speaker 3: looking to learn and grow. But I've never asked you

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Speaker 3: this question before. Two things, Are all the great coaches coachable?

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Speaker 2: And is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it something that you've noticed over the years when

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Speaker 3: the top of the profession. You mentioned some of those guys.

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Speaker 3: They are super Bowl champions, National champions. But we always

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Speaker 3: talk about players being coachable. How important is it that

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Speaker 5: Daniel, check this out. This is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even mentioned Billy Donovan was there. Billy Donovan

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Speaker 1: reached out to me literally a couple of days before it, said, Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: you asked me to come to your event. Guess what

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Speaker 1: I can now make it if you still want me. Billy,

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Speaker 1: you just got nominated inducted into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll make I'll make that for you. We'll make time.

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Speaker 5: League says this.

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Speaker 1: I want to learn from the other guys in the room.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to come learn from them. And he

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Speaker 1: sat in the back after he spoke and took notes

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Speaker 5: So he said, hey, guys, guys, can I do this later?

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Speaker 1: I want to go hear what Sean has to say,

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Speaker 1: and he raced back into the room to listen to Sean.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't like where after I'm done speaking, I'm going

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Speaker 1: characteristic over the years and working with them. They're always

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Speaker 1: looking for the edge. They're always looking for something that

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Speaker 1: they're missing. Eric Spolsher would always reach out to me

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Speaker 5: What's new? What are you hearing these days?

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Speaker 1: They're always looking for that new idea, that new thing

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Speaker 5: And that's what I love about them.

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Speaker 1: Like you go to high school, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: I've seen it all.

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Speaker 1: I've heard all these guys are like literally learning and

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Speaker 1: why Bill Belichick would always go to the college clinics

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Speaker 5: The best are always striving to get better.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, John, because what you're saying, you're

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Speaker 4: talking about guys being lifelong learners. But what I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: That the elite coaches.

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Speaker 4: Are humble enough to know that they don't know at all,

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Speaker 4: and they're seeking answers for the things that are unknown

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Speaker 4: from other people who've had similar success.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a that's a great point. They're you.

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Speaker 1: They're humble enough, they got the umilion, They're humble enough

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Speaker 1: the door of greatness. If I think I've arrived, guess what,

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Speaker 1: have to continue to get better, improve and grow. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm the same way. I'm learning from

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Speaker 1: everyone I can meet. I'm always learning from people. When

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Speaker 1: I'm learning from them.

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Speaker 5: You can always learn and grow.

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Speaker 3: John is an identity of a team, and we talk

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Speaker 3: about culture with you all the time, but the identity

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Speaker 3: simply the best player on the team and what their

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Speaker 3: identity and outlook can be. I know we talk about

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Speaker 3: tree here, but I was talking to a baseball general

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Speaker 1: It has to be see I have too many. But definitely,

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Speaker 1: I am doing everything I can to create a collective

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Speaker 1: connection amongst this team, because the more connected you are,

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Speaker 1: the more committee you will be. If you lack connection,

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Speaker 1: you will move towards division. And we know that that

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Speaker 1: separate team, that divided team becomes a very weak team.

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Speaker 1: So the more connected you are, the strongly you will be.

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Speaker 1: Now you have to have talent. Of course, you can

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Speaker 1: be very connected with no talent and you're gonna love each.

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Speaker 5: Other, but you're not gonna win a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: But if you got the talent and then you have

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Speaker 1: the connection, then that rises you to a whole other level.

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Speaker 1: So there are a series of team build on exercises

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Speaker 1: I actually do with teams now that are our key.

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Speaker 1: Like one is the five h's, which is in this book.

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Speaker 1: It's who's your hero, a hardship you face that made

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Speaker 1: you who you are today, what's the highlight that you're

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Speaker 1: proud of, what's hilarious? Share something funny, and what do

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Speaker 1: you hope for? And each guy goes around and shares that.

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Speaker 1: And I've had teams do this and I tell you

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Speaker 1: like Clemson did the year they won the national championship.

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Speaker 1: When you do these kind of exercises, there's a bond

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Speaker 1: that develops that you don't get otherwise.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because DJ and I have talked

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Speaker 4: about the three h is what we call it, like

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Speaker 4: hebro highlight hardship. We've done it. I've done that with

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Speaker 4: my high school team. And I can't tell you, John,

466
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Speaker 4: the emotions that come out of that. Kids share things

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Speaker 4: that you never know that's existing in their personal lives

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Speaker 4: and it does bring the team together. And one of

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Speaker 4: the things that can bring teams together adversity.

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Speaker 2: A couple of the guys.

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Speaker 4: That you alreays talk you talked about exposed to Sean McVay.

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Speaker 4: They have a knack, but when their teams are having

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Speaker 4: tough moments, they're able to pull them out and get

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Speaker 4: them back on track.

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Speaker 2: And being around those type people.

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Speaker 4: What is the key to being able to pour your

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Speaker 4: team out of a tough situation and circumstance.

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Speaker 1: One, I think it's being consistent still, like you stay

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Speaker 1: consistent to the principles.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is what guides us, and we're not weaver.

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Speaker 1: You can't change midstream or mid season. A lot of

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Speaker 1: times coaches do that, they change their style, they change

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Speaker 1: how they're acting towards the players, and they went up

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Speaker 1: losing the locker room. You have to stay consistent. You

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Speaker 1: have to address the reality of the situation. Hey, this

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Speaker 1: is the challenge we're facing, this is where we are.

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Speaker 1: But you also have to provide a path forward and

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Speaker 1: why you're going.

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Speaker 5: To get there.

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Speaker 1: You also have to have the relational relationship and connection

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Speaker 1: individually and collectively. So Sean is so great at talking

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Speaker 1: to his players and having that one on one relationship

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Speaker 1: as well as that as well as that collective connection

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Speaker 1: which is Cayse. So Eric Sposure goes do a tough time,

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Speaker 1: he's still talking about the vision, still talking about the principles,

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Speaker 1: still talking about what's going to make them successful, and

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Speaker 1: not wavering, not wavering, and also not getting negative, not

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Speaker 1: getting pessimistic, but staying positive and then that encouragement that

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Speaker 1: is so key. Resilience is about balancing back. But resilience

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Speaker 1: is not about one person. We often think of the

501
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Speaker 1: lone ranger when we think of resilience. It's actually collective

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Speaker 1: relationship and connection that leads to resilience.

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Speaker 5: So Bucky. If you have someone who supports you and

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Speaker 5: encourages you and.

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Speaker 1: Loves you and you know they got your back, that's

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Speaker 1: going to make you more resilient.

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Speaker 5: Well, when you know your coach has your back even.

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Speaker 1: Though you're losing and you're not playing well, and that

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Speaker 1: coach still loves you, believes in you, and it's here

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Speaker 1: for you, that provides an avenue for growth and hopefully

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Speaker 1: a comeback.

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Speaker 3: John, last one from me, Man, and we always appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time. But you know, you talk about some of

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Speaker 3: these college coaches you have relationships, with Dabbo being one

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Speaker 3: of them. I think about the challenges they face now

516
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Speaker 3: greater than they've ever had at the collegiate level with

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Speaker 3: a wide open transfer portal in the transitive nature of

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Speaker 3: college sports right now. Two parter here, I feel like

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Speaker 3: I might. All I do is ask you two part questions,

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Speaker 3: but two part here, how challenging is it? And what

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Speaker 3: would be a key to retention to keeping players in

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Speaker 3: the fold? And then to me, when you look at that,

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Speaker 3: is that going to be kind of like a secret

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Speaker 3: weapon if you can have guys. We've seen it in

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Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament with basketball. You see the veteran teams

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Speaker 3: maybe not as talented as some of these teams that

527
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Speaker 3: have these McDonald's all Americans and some young kids. And

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Speaker 3: you see these four year guys that have been together,

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Speaker 3: they've just played together, just a better team. Is that

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Speaker 3: going to be a secret weapon moving forward?

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Speaker 1: It is culture drives talent towards greatness, and the coaches

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Speaker 1: that build the relationships, that create a structure, a foundation

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Speaker 1: that these guys can rely on. Dabos said it before.

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Speaker 1: Players are going to get paid, but they have to

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Speaker 1: be there and they have to earn it. And once

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Speaker 1: you earn it, you're going to make money while you're there.

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Speaker 1: Goes to the same model in the NFL, Like remember

538
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Speaker 1: when guys will pay these huge rookie contracts and the

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Speaker 1: veterans will be upset in the locker room. And now

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Speaker 1: everyone knows what the rookie contract pretty much is going

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Speaker 1: to be, and that issue is no longer there. It's

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Speaker 1: the same way at Clemson, like everyone knows you come here,

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Speaker 1: you stay, you get paid, and you make X, Y

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Speaker 1: and Z. But but Dabo says, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: pay some young freshmen coming in this huge amounts of

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Speaker 1: money to get them to come here if they want

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Speaker 1: to come great, and if they do, they're going to

548
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Speaker 1: earn it. So he's built a culture of relationship, build

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Speaker 1: the culture of connection, and build a culture where you

550
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Speaker 1: have to earn what you get. And I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: And I believe those cultures, those leaders who build those

552
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Speaker 1: kind of relationships, the players are there for the right reasons.

553
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Speaker 1: There's always going to be someone offering more money, and

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Speaker 1: that's where we have to look at where does this end,

555
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Speaker 1: Like how much can it actually rise? How much could

556
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Speaker 1: it go up? How much could this whole universe support

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Speaker 1: in terms of how many players can make X, Y

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Speaker 1: and Z. So I really believe the competitive advantage is

559
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Speaker 1: going to be everything we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Culture. It's the leadership, it's the teamwork, it's belief, it's being.

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Speaker 1: A part of something greater. And Dabbo now knows. He

562
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Speaker 1: said he used to lose guys all the time. You

563
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Speaker 1: know that they tried to get Now he knows who

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Speaker 1: his guy is or who they are, Like, he knows

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Speaker 1: who his guy is because the guy that they're losing

566
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Speaker 1: is already getting paid somewhere else. He goes, they were

567
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Speaker 1: getting paid in the past. They just and they weren't

568
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Speaker 1: coming to clems and we just didn't know it. Now

569
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Speaker 1: we know who's getting paid and that's not our guy.

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Speaker 1: We know who is who is our guy, and that's

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Speaker 1: who they go after. So I think, you know, I

572
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Speaker 1: think now more than ever, the ability to build those

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Speaker 1: relations and to create a culture where people want to

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Speaker 1: stay and build a family, where guys are going to

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Speaker 1: grow and learn and develop and get better, that that's

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Speaker 1: going to be.

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Speaker 5: More important than ever.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think the right people want to

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Speaker 1: be a part of that.

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Speaker 5: The ones who go to the highest bidder, you're gonna

581
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Speaker 5: lose them, but maybe they're not your right guy anyway.

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Speaker 4: You know, John, I'm share with you. I don't even

583
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Speaker 4: know if I told DJ this story. So last question

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Speaker 4: for you is a personal story. So my son is

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Speaker 4: a walk on. He plays baseball at San Jose State.

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Speaker 4: But before his freshman year, when he was trying to

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Speaker 4: make it, I stumbled across your book, Coffee Bean, and

588
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Speaker 4: I stuck it in his backpack and I said, hey, man,

589
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Speaker 4: I think you may need to read this along the

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Speaker 4: way as you're going through your journey. A couple years later,

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Speaker 4: I'm cleaning out his room and there is the book

592
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Speaker 4: Coffee Being with smudges and.

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Speaker 2: All these things on it where he read it.

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Speaker 4: So I want to thank you because that was really

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Speaker 4: impactful for him as he was trying to do something

596
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Speaker 4: that was very difficult for him. But I want to

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Speaker 4: ask you, where do you get your inspiration for your stories?

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Speaker 4: Because it's fascinating to me that you're able to put

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Speaker 4: out a book a collection of books that inspire so many.

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Speaker 2: Where do you find your inspiration to come up with

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Speaker 2: these great stories?

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Speaker 1: Well, this newest one in seven Commitments, I wrote in

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Speaker 1: sixteen days and it was a b book that just

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Speaker 1: came to me. So I can't take the credit because,

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Speaker 1: trust me, I'm not that smart. And my teammates from

606
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Speaker 1: college can't believe what I'm doing now. They're like, you

607
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: were a mental wreck in college and this is what

608
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Speaker 1: you're doing, and I can't believe what I'm doing now.

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Speaker 1: So I have to give all credit to God. I'm

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Speaker 1: a spiritual guy. God literally gives me these ideas. I walk,

611
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Speaker 1: I pray on a daily basis, and literally not all

612
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Speaker 1: the time, but when it's the right time, the idea

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Speaker 1: for a book will come to me and I get

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Speaker 1: the vision, the storyline and sort of how I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put it together and I have to sit down and

616
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Speaker 1: write it, but I get a vision for what it's

617
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Speaker 1: supposed to be. That happened with Energy Bus Training Camp,

618
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Speaker 1: even you went in the locker room first that I

619
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Speaker 1: wrote with Mike Smith, which is a really great book

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Speaker 1: for coaches, that book. I wasn't sure we were supposed

621
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Speaker 1: to do a book until I walked and I had

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Speaker 1: the vision of what it was supposed to be on

623
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Speaker 1: the framework for it. So got to give all credit

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Speaker 1: and to know that you read the books, and you

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Speaker 1: read in Daniel, and that your son reads and that

626
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Speaker 1: that's what means.

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Speaker 5: That means everything.

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Speaker 1: I was on the plane yesterday and who sitting next

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Speaker 1: to me on the plane right across the aisle.

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Speaker 5: Was was Ed Reid.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't believe it. I'm like, and I go, I go

633
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Speaker 5: you Ed read. He's like, yeah, He's like, guys said, Hi,

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Speaker 5: I'm John Gordy. He goes, he goes, oh, John, I

635
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Speaker 5: know who you are. How do you know who I am?

636
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Speaker 5: Because I read I read your books? I said, are

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Speaker 5: you're kidding me? Ed Reid's read my books? It blew

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Speaker 5: me away, just blew me away.

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Speaker 3: That is fantastic. Doesn't surprise me about Ed two. I

640
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Speaker 3: haven't been with him for four years in Baltimore. Ed

641
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Speaker 3: one of the smartest football players that I've ever been around.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that he went in to doing some

643
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Speaker 3: coaching and wanting to learn and grow, having that growth

644
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Speaker 3: mindset doesn't surprise me in the least. John, it has

645
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Speaker 3: been great to catch up man. I know you are

646
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: bouncing all over the globe here and sharing your message

647
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Speaker 3: and we're very grateful to have you as a friend

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Speaker 3: and we're very grateful for your time today. We appreciate you, buddy.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say I forgot to say Eddie

651
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Speaker 1: George came to training camp as well, and now to

652
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Speaker 1: see what he's doing now in the coaching world is

653
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Speaker 1: so cool too, because I've got a chance to work

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Speaker 1: with Eddie and the best thing is what you guys

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Speaker 1: do and also seeing how coaches lead an impact.

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Speaker 5: Man, that's what it's all about. So thanks for all

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Speaker 5: that you do. You guys.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you, all right, buck Man. Look, he's always he's

659
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: always kind and generous with his time. We ask him

660
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: to come on, he always comes on, and it's usually

661
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: kind of a thing we're always looking to do this

662
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: time of year when we get a chance to kind

663
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: of cherry pick some of our favorites to come on.

664
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Speaker 3: But again, lots of notes taken there from our buddy

665
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Speaker 3: John DJ.

666
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Speaker 4: I'm always blown away when he comes on and shares

667
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: from the lessons that he's learned, the people that are

668
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: involved in his training camp, the projects that he's doing,

669
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: and how quickly he's able to write these books. He's

670
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: just a unique person, and I think what's inspirational about

671
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: him is just his ability to deal with his own

672
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: adversity and becoming a world renowned author in those things.

673
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Speaker 2: It's just a terrific conversation.

674
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Speaker 4: I think everyone who had opportunity to listen in will

675
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: walk away not only with a bunch of notes, but

676
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: with some lessons that can kind of guide them going

677
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: forward as they lead in their own respective communities.

678
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Speaker 3: I got to ask you as a high school coach.

679
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about team bonding. What does

680
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: coach Bucky Brooks do to try and bond the team

681
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: together and what's maybe the favorite thing you've done in

682
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: your time as a coach.

683
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: So we shared the story about the three ags.

684
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Speaker 4: I've done that with the team, but DJ certain simple

685
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: things like having a designated donut day every two or

686
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: three weeks where you bring donuts in for the kids.

687
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: Last week was National Donut Day on Friday, and so

688
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: DJ just you know, donuts are expensive these days. I

689
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: know a hundred kids, there's a lot of donuts there.

690
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: In my pocket.

691
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: My little coaching stipend is all gone the donut stuff.

692
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: But I think what John said when he talked about,

693
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: like Kellen Moore and Kellen Moore talking about a one

694
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: day of practice won't guarantee that you'd be better, but

695
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: one day of bonding can ensure that you play at

696
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: a higher level. I think that's something that is coaches.

697
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: We all get caught up in the next practice, the

698
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: next drill, the next competition as opposed to its relationship business.

699
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: And if you get everyone to really buy in and

700
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: to be connected, you're going to have a lot of success.

701
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: I think listening to John and heeding some of those

702
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: exercises that he's talked about, I.

703
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Think that has really kind of helped me along the way.

704
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: I think back, you know, if you asked me to

705
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: recall memories from high school football practice. Right, So I

706
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: graduated high school ninety six, so obviously this has been

707
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: it's been quite a long time ago.

708
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: But Buck, I can't.

709
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Speaker 3: I can maybe tell you one or two instances where

710
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: maybe there was a big hit that I kind of

711
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: remember from a tackling drill, maybe something funny that someone

712
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: said to a coach, But I mean, very very vague memories.

713
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: I can tell you for a fact, I remember, you know,

714
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: one year where we were in kind of those grinding

715
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: two A days, which I don't know that you can

716
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: really do it the way we had to do it

717
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: when we were growing up. And then you kind of

718
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: show up for that afternoon practice. We're supposed to be

719
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: in full pads. We've been going doing this for a

720
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. And we got there and everybody got

721
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: all their pads on, got out the practice, went to

722
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: the full warm up, and our head coach came up

723
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: and said, all right, boys, take your pads off. We're

724
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: going in the pool. And we like, the pool was

725
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: right there. He had like, you know, the high dive

726
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: of all that kind of stuff. So we went over

727
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: there and I mean we sprinted to go jump into

728
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: that pool. But I mean that was a memory that

729
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: I remember. I remember seven on seven or you know,

730
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: doing the Oklahoma drill, all those things. I don't have

731
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: any memories. I do remember that day though, about how

732
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: how excited we were to get out of that heat

733
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: and jump in the pool.

734
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Look, man, I think I think that's the right perspective.

735
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: I think understanding who you have and what they need

736
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: at that moment.

737
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: Is a special skill.

738
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Speaker 4: And you talk about those memories and the connectivity. I

739
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: was I was at a coaches meeting cif LA City Section.

740
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: We had our coaches meeting in the ram's locker room,

741
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: and one of the leaders talked about one of the

742
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: job of high school coaches is to make sure that

743
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: everyone on that team walks away with a friend and

744
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: a friend that could be their friend for the next

745
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: thirty forty years, talking about how high school sports is

746
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: really about that. So when you talk about those memories,

747
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: those shared experiences, that's really what it's about. Like, that's

748
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: what they can remember far more than the x'es and o's.

749
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: They remember those those unique moments, the tough workouts together,

750
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: all the other stuff where you become a closer team.

751
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: Those are the things that matter. Those are things that

752
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: will kind of carry on with them as they go

753
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: on to the next level of your life.

754
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, you know, high school sports.

755
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: To me, you know, I won't go off on a

756
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: tangent here, but I've talked in the past about what

757
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: I would look for like in a youth sports coach.

758
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: Like to me, it's very simple. If you're coaching kids,

759
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: if you're listening to this and you're coaching kids, just

760
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: put the right perspective in this. At the end of

761
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 3: the season, I've always felt if you're coaching you know,

762
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: let's say thirteen and under, twelve and under, If at

763
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: the end of the year, your players are better at

764
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: the end of the year individually than they were at

765
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year. If your team has gotten

766
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: a little bit better than they were at the beginning

767
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: of the year. If you've had fun, the kids have

768
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: had a good time. And the last one is they

769
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: all want to play the next year. If you've done that,

770
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: you've hit that checklist. Who cares how many.

771
00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: Games you win?

772
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: You know, what your batting average is, what did stats

773
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: say like? If you accomplish those four things as a

774
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: youth coach, I think You've done a great job. And

775
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: when I think of high school Buck, this is a

776
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: very simple one. Man, I would judge your success as

777
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: a high school coach, and I would say this to

778
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: any high school coach. I know you as a high

779
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: school coach, book, but I've always looked at it. Man,

780
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: I would judge my success by how many weddings I

781
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: get invited to down the line and how many players

782
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: hold on to my phone number after they leave campus.

783
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: That to me, would be my view of success of

784
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 3: a high school coach.

785
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: DJ.

786
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: I can tell you, man, sometimes we're in this weird

787
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: space in high school sports where you almost have to

788
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: make a tough decision. In football, you have to make

789
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: a decision do you want to be a football factory

790
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: or are you really trying to give the great high

791
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: school experience. You obviously understand we're in southern California. There

792
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: are some football powerhouses here, and look, it's not all

793
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 4: kids from the neighborhood and that's great for them. But

794
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: then others are neighborhood schools that are trying to make

795
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: do with what they have. And I would say that,

796
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, coming off a tough season, the thing that

797
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: I am most excited about heading into this year. I

798
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: looked at my coaching staff and there are five former players, wow,

799
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: that are coaching with me.

800
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: That's great.

801
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: I'm talking about guys that have graduated within the last

802
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: three or four years. And so when you think about

803
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 4: all the things and you hear the noise good and bad,

804
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: when you talk about former players wanting to come back

805
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: because their experience was so good within the program that

806
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: they want to kind of pay it forward to me,

807
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: that tells you that you're on the right track. And

808
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: as long as you're on the right track there, the

809
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 4: wins will eventually come. But it's about really having those relationships,

810
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: in those bonds that really sustain you if you're a

811
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: coach that's trying to do it, because hey man, you

812
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: just kind of want to leave your mark on the

813
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: world and kind of make the place a little better

814
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: for the people that you're encounting.

815
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not feed you're not trying to feed your

816
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: own ego too, which is gosh. I think we see

817
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: that too much in coaching, man. That's why that's why

818
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: I appreciate everything that you do buck in the high

819
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: school space, because you.

820
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: Just pouring into kids.

821
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: Hey, whoever shows up, we're gonna coach them, we're gonna

822
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: love them up, we're gonna we're gonna get better, and

823
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: we're gonna have an enjoyable experience. And along the way,

824
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: you've had a lot of success in doing it that

825
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: way and totally rebuilding a high school program. But you're

826
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: not out there chasing kids so that you can go

827
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: in there so you can, you know, beat your chest

828
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: about how you you know, you've got ten Division ie

829
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: kids and this, that and the other that anybody can coach. Like,

830
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: come on, man, like, stop feeding your own ego. You

831
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: see this high school coach it's all the time. Drives

832
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: me insane, Yeah, but it is.

833
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: But I mean, look, that's that's the way of the world.

834
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we're just in a weird space.

835
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: I mean sports have changed so much over the last

836
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: thirty years in terms of those things. Like we went

837
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: from our football teams being coached by the baseball coach,

838
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: the basketball coach.

839
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Everyone had a part and being an.

840
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: Assistant and then they would go and lead their respective

841
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: sports and the football coach would be an assistant.

842
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: So it was when I was growing up, and.

843
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 4: There everything is specialization and people do one of their

844
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: own thing, and that is great and the game has

845
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: never been better in some regards. But we just want

846
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: to make sure that, look, man, every player is not

847
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: gonna have an opportunity to play beyond high school. Let's

848
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: make sure that we give everybody a great experience so

849
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 4: they can look back and really say that, Hey, man,

850
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: I have fond memories for my four years at that

851
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 4: high school.

852
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: Have an opportunity to participate in extracurricular activity.

853
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: I always wondered about the guys to go to like

854
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: three four high schools, man, like who do you hang out?

855
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: Like?

856
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: Who are you keep in touch with?

857
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 4: When I looked, it's almost like that an leads to

858
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 4: the level with the port or everyone bouncing around.

859
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: Which reunions did you go to? You go to all

860
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: of them? Yeah, that's a great question. How do you

861
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: fit in?

862
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: Don't get me started? All right, this has been a

863
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: fun one today. Again thanks to our buddy John Gordon

864
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: for coming on.

865
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

866
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 3: We try and have some some different conversations this time

867
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: of the year.

868
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have time for the lists.

869
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. If you're craving list will give

870
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: you some lists at some point in time, but we're

871
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: gonna be selfish and have some conversations we want to

872
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: have on the show here.

873
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: So appreciate you guys. We'll see you next time.

874
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: Right here on, move the sticks.