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Speaker 2: I am six forty you're listening to the John Cobel

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Speaker 2: podcast on the iHeartRadio app. All right, this is something

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Speaker 2: that we've discussed for so many years. Why does California

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Speaker 2: have such insane gas prices? Gavin Newsom for years has

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Speaker 2: been insisting it's oil companies price gouging. He's done investigations,

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Speaker 2: blue ribbon commissions, special legislative sessions.

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Speaker 3: I've always thought it was a load of lies.

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Speaker 2: Michael Msshe is a professor at University of Southern California's

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Speaker 2: Marshall School of Business, and he has done a study

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Speaker 2: looked at fifty years worth of data and says the

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Speaker 2: high gas prices that is self inflicted. That is California policies, regulations, taxes, fees, costs.

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Speaker 2: He says, refiners have not engaged in widespread price gouging

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Speaker 2: or profiteering. Right now, well, you know, I didn't check.

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Speaker 2: I meant to, but as of yesterday, California's price was

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Speaker 2: four ninety five for a gallon of unlettered regular four

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Speaker 2: ninety five. In South Carolina it was two seventy five.

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Speaker 2: So it was two dollars and twenty cents higher than

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Speaker 2: the lowest price, and like I've been telling you, there's

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Speaker 2: three dollars and thirty cents. Let's get Michael mssche On

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Speaker 2: from USC's Marshall School of Business professor.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing great today? How are you? John?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great, And you know, I feel like

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Speaker 2: you have provided some clarity insanity, because nothing drove me

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Speaker 2: crazier than listening to Gavin Newsom claim price gouging and

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Speaker 2: profiteering when we all know the extent of the taxes

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Speaker 2: and the regulations. Talk about what your study discovered.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Thank you, John. You know, we looked

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Speaker 4: at almost fifty years worth of day on California oil

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Speaker 4: field production, gasoline production, refineries, refinery capacity, ulization, and most importantly, consumption,

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Speaker 4: and the data is overwhelmingly compelling. If it were if

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Speaker 4: we were opposite of that, we would have said so.

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Speaker 4: But there is no particular economic evidence of price gouging

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Speaker 4: on the part of the refiners, no particular evidence supporting

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Speaker 4: price manipulation or supply manipulation at all. The data is

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Speaker 4: pretty clear, you know, Californians, we've always paid a higher price.

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Speaker 4: Over a forty year period, it averages to thirteen percent

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Speaker 4: higher than the national average. Today, by coincidence, it's forty

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Speaker 4: two percent higher than the national average. We're coming in

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Speaker 4: at about four dollars and ninety five cents a gallon,

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Speaker 4: and this morning the national average was about three dollars

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Speaker 4: and twenty five cents. That gap has been increasing since

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven. It accelerated in twenty fifteen. But again,

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Speaker 4: you know, our study showed no price gouging on part

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Speaker 4: of the refiners, and then that was sort of you know, confirmed.

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Speaker 4: It's not just the USC study or my work. The

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Speaker 4: state Attorney General also found over a twenty five year period,

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Speaker 4: going back to twenty year two thousand, if there was

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Speaker 4: no price gouging in the state. They found one instance,

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Speaker 4: and that happened to have been traders, not refiners, responsible for

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Speaker 4: some price galging. And then the Federal Reserve Bank of

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Speaker 4: Dallas for the study they contributed to quote market factors

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Speaker 4: and factors that you are unique to the state of California.

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Speaker 4: And then also there was a federal court finding in

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Speaker 4: San Diego. So I think, you know, when you're taken

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Speaker 4: as a whole a study plus the others, there just

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Speaker 4: simply isn't any evidence of price galging. And then statistically,

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Speaker 4: you know, you would expect to find it, and we

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Speaker 4: going back as far back as nineteen eighty four, and

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Speaker 4: there isn't. There just simply isn't any evidence of that.

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Speaker 2: The insistence though, especially from the governor and the legislature,

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Speaker 2: been blue ribbon panels. I mean, it is incessan incessant,

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Speaker 2: this story that they that they peddle, and it's pretty

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Speaker 2: have other studies. I mean, that's that's pretty striking to

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Speaker 2: have a governor do that. Have you heard from him

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Speaker 4: I recently heard from the California Energy Commission. They did

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Speaker 4: reach out to me on the study and we have

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Speaker 4: set up a time to talk later this week.

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Speaker 2: Did you break it down on how much is from

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Speaker 2: were passed unto Schwarzenegger almost twenty years ago. Now I

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Speaker 4: I'll be happy to do that. So in California, we

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Speaker 4: have a layering of costs, fees, and taxes that accumulate

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Speaker 4: per gallon of gas. Okay, So in addition, we have

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Speaker 4: a federal excise tax, and federal excise tax is fixed.

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Speaker 4: It's the same for all states, and that's eighteen cents

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Speaker 4: That will increase automatically on July first. For a number

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Speaker 4: of reasons. We can get into that. But the national

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Speaker 4: average for the state excise tax is about thirty three

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Speaker 4: cents a gallon, so we're almost twice as high. Then

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Speaker 4: we have state we have local taxes, which changed on

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Speaker 4: but they've gone up slightly. Then we have the California

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Speaker 4: Underground Storage Tank fee of two cents a gallon. And

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Speaker 4: then we have a special blend. Now, you know, you

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Speaker 4: could argue, well that should that be included in the price,

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Speaker 4: or should that not included? But we included it because

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Speaker 4: it's a regulatorially mandated blend of gasoline that's specific the

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Speaker 4: California and only California. And so that's fifteen cents a

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Speaker 2: Just there, because some people will shrug off the price

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Speaker 2: and say, well, we have the special blend here, and

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Speaker 2: most people go along with the special blend because of

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Speaker 2: our unique pollution problems. But it's only fifteen cents. And

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Speaker 2: so there's still like another what what's the national average?

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Speaker 3: You said three dollars in.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have the national average to there is about

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Speaker 4: three twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're dollars sixty more than the national average.

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Speaker 4: Correct, And if you add up all of our taxes,

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Speaker 4: it comes up to a dollar sixty four. Now, the

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Speaker 4: ones that I think that are most interesting are the

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Speaker 4: cap and trade and environmental costs. So that's about fifty

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Speaker 4: and so we see a widening between the national average

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Speaker 4: beginning in two dates nineteen ninety seven when we started

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Speaker 4: full effect of cap and trade kicked in. So collectively

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Speaker 4: with all taxes rare about a dollar sixty four gallon.

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Speaker 3: Dollars sixty four a gallon in.

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Speaker 4: Taxes, taxes, costs, and fees what we call regulatory.

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Speaker 2: Costs, and that's almost exactly the difference between our price

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Speaker 4: Pretty close. And if you think a look at the statistics,

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Speaker 4: thirty years almost exactly, the average retail price in California

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Speaker 4: highly correlated. It's ninety seven point eighty six point ninety

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Speaker 4: seven eighty six. If there were price collusion or gouging

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Speaker 4: it's not there.

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Speaker 2: I always thought that his charge of gouging was bogus,

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Speaker 2: simply because these companies sell gas in all fifty states.

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Speaker 2: Why would they pick one state to gouge and leave

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Speaker 2: the other forty nine at a market rate that made

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Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 4: very cogent point to make. It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The only way you could possibly even justify that type

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Speaker 4: researchers have noted, is isolated. We're an island. And what

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Speaker 4: we mean by that when we speak like that, is

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Speaker 4: that there are no pipelines coming into the state, so

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Speaker 4: we are entirely dependent on in state production, which is

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Speaker 4: only about twenty three percent of our oil, and important

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Speaker 2: if you could stay another segment, all right, because I'm

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Speaker 2: really enjoying hearing this. Michael Miche, professor at USC the

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Speaker 2: Marshall School of Business, His study is found, and they

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Speaker 2: have data going back many decades that most of the

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Speaker 2: when it comes to gas is the California government self

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Speaker 2: inflicted wounds. It's their policies, their regulations, their taxes and fees.

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Speaker 2: More with Michael Masche, the professor.

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Speaker 2: here with Michael Mssche. He's a University of Southern California

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Speaker 2: professor Marshall's School of Business, and he's done a study

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Speaker 2: the supply problems we have. And his study found that

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Speaker 2: most of the issues are largely self inflicted by the

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Speaker 2: California government. There's a big surprise. It's policies, taxes, fees, regulations, costs,

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Speaker 2: and he says California refiners have not engaged in widespread

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Speaker 2: get Michael MChE back on here. All right, So when

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Speaker 2: oil shipped from as far as a way Saudi Arabia. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much you've studied this part, but

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Speaker 2: why in God's name don't we have pipelines that bring

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Speaker 2: Instead we're shipping it from the other side of the world,

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Speaker 2: and we have to engage with somewhat unfriendly adversaries.

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Speaker 3: I really don't understand what's the point of this.

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Speaker 4: It is quite interesting, John, I mean, for example, back

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Speaker 4: producing sixty one percent. Last year twenty twenty three, that

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Speaker 4: if not impossible. And also sort of the quality of oil,

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Speaker 4: similar to that, and that oil comes from a lot

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Speaker 4: and could also come from Alaska. However, imports of oil

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Speaker 4: from those sources have declined over the years, so we're

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Speaker 4: very dependent. For example, in twenty twenty three, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Brazil,

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Speaker 4: That's creating and that's crazy, right, And in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: You're nothing but bad news. Michael Miche, thank you for

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Speaker 2: Professor at USC Marshall School of Business, and his study

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Speaker 2: Michael Masche from USC Marshall School of Business. He's a

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Speaker 2: Everything that Newsome and the lying, stinking democrats from the

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Speaker 2: He and Jerry Brown, Schwarzenegger, the California legislature. They have

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Speaker 2: for years the city attorney for Huntington Beach was Michael Gates,

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Speaker 2: the voter ID law. It's pretty simple. A lot of

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Speaker 2: The Attorney General Rob Bonta had nothing better to do

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Speaker 1: Mike, welcome, Thank you, great to be on the show.

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Speaker 3: It's good it's good to have you.

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Speaker 2: I should point out that Michael Gates, your predecessor, is

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Speaker 2: But you're taking over and you got to win here.

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Speaker 2: What was the argument the state had as to why

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: The state was basically hanging their hat on a new

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Speaker 2: And is that because you're a charter city or is

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Speaker 1: State, great question. No, it is because we're a charter city.

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Speaker 1: The court gave a real good, detailed analysis of why

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Speaker 1: and we're really pleased, really happy with the court's decision.

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Speaker 1: It's a great win, not just for Huntington Beach, but

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Speaker 2: It's almost like you're a state within a state, you

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they insisted it in this case, because,

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Speaker 1: Uh? And generally they did. Yeah, I mean they're they're

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Speaker 1: basically saying that it dissuades folks from voting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: They didn't the vote, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Well, it's funny because the United States

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Speaker 2: No, but I mean in Georgia they were claiming that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it should be a seems like

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Speaker 3: Is zero evidence that it dissuades anyone from voting. Zero.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the evidence proves the opposite, that more people vote,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the process I think is legitimized. Right, You don't

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Speaker 1: Like I said to me, it doesn't make a whole

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no common sense. And now we've we've had

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Speaker 3: So is the state?

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Speaker 2: Is Rob Bonta, the Attorney General, Is he going to

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Speaker 1: You know, I certainly can't speak for mister Bonta, but

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Speaker 3: That's just crazy. All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, very good Mike, Mike Vigliotta, the new City Attorney

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Speaker 2: Huntington Beach, Congratulations on your new position. Congratulations on this

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Look forward to hopefully

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, all right, Thanks a lot, Mike, Bigliata.

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Speaker 2: Coming up after three o'clock where it looks like the

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Speaker 3: And people said, you can't do that, how dare you?

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Speaker 2: Well he can, and he did, and the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: with Art Arthur coming up after three o'clock. I just

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Speaker 2: want to review the last hour because I realized that

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Speaker 2: there was a major theme, inadvertent theme the last hour.

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Speaker 2: From two to two thirty, we had on Michael Mchee

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Speaker 2: who's a professor at USC and he had done an

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Speaker 2: extensive video study and the video study, I'm sorry, an

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Speaker 2: extensive study of gas prices here in California, and the

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Speaker 2: study indicated that the reason we had high gas prices

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Speaker 2: for the last fifty years compared to the rest of

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Speaker 2: the country, it's all self inflicted by the government, which

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Speaker 2: we knew, but gavenusm keeps lying to us and miche said,

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Speaker 2: it's regulations, taxes, fees, and the general policies. He says,

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Speaker 2: the economic evidence is abundant. California oil refiners have not

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Speaker 2: engaged in widespread price gouging or price manipulation or profiteering. However,

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Speaker 2: what you want to use those words to describe what's

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Speaker 2: going on Basically, the oil companies have played fair and

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Speaker 2: so the sold US oil at a reasonable price. It

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Speaker 2: is Gavin Newsom and Jerry Brown going back to Schwarzenegger.

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Speaker 2: They've added all the stupid climate change fees and regulations

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Speaker 2: this monster. We've got gas at four ninety five a gallon,

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Speaker 2: and if you heard what Miche said, yeah, it is

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Speaker 2: likely to be five point fifty a gallon or five

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Speaker 2: sixty a gallon because there's another price increase coming from

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Speaker 2: the California Air Resources Board. Newsom has simply lied over

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Speaker 2: and over and over again, and Miche is the first

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Speaker 2: one to produce a study to show what the truth is.

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Speaker 3: And this study's been out a few days.

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Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of widespread media coverage when

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Speaker 2: Newsom says we're gonna have a special session in the legislature.

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Speaker 2: You know too, because the oil companies are price gadging. Well,

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Speaker 2: that gets wide play everywhere. Even the idiots on TV

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Speaker 2: cover it. Second thing is Gavin Newsom and his stud

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Speaker 2: dropped BoNT To. The Attorney General went after Huntington Beach

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Speaker 2: because Huntington Beach has a language on the books now

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Speaker 2: that allow them to do voter ID, and Bonta went

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Speaker 2: in there said well, no you can't because we have

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Speaker 2: a state law. And the judge said, well, Huntingdon Beach

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Speaker 2: is Charter city. They'd get to call the shots on

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Speaker 2: their own elections. But more importantly, Bonta gave an argument

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Speaker 2: that it's discriminatory and that it dissuades people from voting,

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Speaker 2: it suppresses voting. No, that's been proven wrong. And that's

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Speaker 2: the example I gave is is Georgia. Even Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: was screaming about Jim Crow, the old befuddled fool. But

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Speaker 2: somehow this was a plot to deter blacks from voting.

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Speaker 2: Black voting went up. Black voters are wildly in favor

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Speaker 2: of voter ID. Everybody wants honest elections. Voter ID is

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Speaker 2: a huge component of honest elections. Everybody's fort Republicans, Democrats, Independence, White, Black, Hispanic,

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Speaker 2: you name it. Everybody sport it except people who might

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Speaker 2: profit if there was some irregularities in the voting.

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Speaker 3: Who would profit from it?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the party power in California. That would be

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Speaker 2: the Democrats. Yeah, whatever, we see. That to me gives

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Speaker 2: a strong indication that they are pulling some kind of

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Speaker 2: funny business in the voting because they were. They're fighting

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Speaker 2: this voter ID regulation pretty hard in Huntington Beach. They

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Speaker 2: lost before a Superior Court judge, but they're going to

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Speaker 2: take They're going to take it to an appeals court

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Speaker 2: and imagine to the California Supreme Court. Why is that

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Speaker 2: they don't want voter ID because they know there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of ballot harvesting.

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Speaker 3: Going on, and there's a lot of the legal immigration

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Speaker 3: going on. They know.

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Speaker 2: But the theme of the hour turned out to be

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom Rob Bonta lying repeatedly, consistently. They lie in court,

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Speaker 2: they lie on television, they lie in front of the legislature,

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Speaker 2: they lie to your face. They're the reason we have

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Speaker 2: four dollars and ninety five cent gas.

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 2: And there is zero evidence that people are dissuaded from

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Speaker 2: voting if they have to show their idea.

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Speaker 3: Zero.

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Speaker 2: The opposite has been proven. All this is proof, undeniable,

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Speaker 2: irrefutable proof. But they lie and they're going to keep lying.

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Speaker 2: You'll see, that's what they do. Why people fall for

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Speaker 2: the big lines. I guess there's been studies on that too.

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Speaker 2: When we come back well, from all the squealing you

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Speaker 2: heard in Washington and from the media, you'd think Trump

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Speaker 2: did something illegal, outrageous. He used the Alien Enemies Act

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Speaker 2: of seventeen ninety eight to go after trendy Iragua gang

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Speaker 2: members and deport them back to Venezuela. That is a violent, nasty,

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Speaker 2: psychotic criminal organization. Supreme Court said, Trump can do this.

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Speaker 2: Trump can use that seventeen ninety eight law to deport

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Speaker 2: these illegal alien criminals.

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Speaker 3: We'll get it.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more with Arthur from the Center for Immigration Studies. Next,

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