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Speaker 2: Will there be enough content? The Kings have new jerseys, well,

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Speaker 2: That's right on today's pod, which is inspired by ghost

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Speaker 2: Face Tom Ziller, who's great Good morning, It's basketball newsletter

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Speaker 2: yesterday dropped or shared a long list of preseason twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five NBA MVP candidates. So Zilla

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Speaker 2: Morning It's Basketball. It's one of the best NBA newsletters

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Speaker 2: out there. From Ziller. First name alphabetically Joanna Santa Tookumpo. Okay,

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Speaker 2: He says, Zilla does he belongs on any long list

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Speaker 4: It's not a question. I think Zilla just wrapped it

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Speaker 4: I was surprised by that. So how do you not

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Speaker 4: the opposite should be happening with the Milwaukee Bucks. I

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Speaker 4: I think Damian Lillard is going to have a much

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Speaker 4: As he said. Now, the question is will Yannis get hurt?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter about the MVP here. I think he

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Speaker 4: He's been enjoying the Greeks all around him on the

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Speaker 2: At the table for you too, TK.

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Speaker 3: He's still top tier at the table for me because,

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Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent in on Giannis at least being

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Speaker 4: Another team's got better around that also in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 4: But this guy's a damn good player and he's not

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Speaker 2: And the stats are just they're just too undeniable to

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Speaker 2: Those are averages over six years. So why is he

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he is there. He's our first guy. Let's

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Speaker 2: It's accurate, Okay, Okay, I don't think I would have

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Speaker 2: He played sixty eight games.

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Speaker 4: It is a very fun one because the Knicks are better,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Last year was kind of perfect for getting onto MVP

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Speaker 4: There is I like that.

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Speaker 4: First spot by the bar.

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Speaker 4: If you're watching on YouTube on deck circle, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We didn't come up with this list, but we have

434
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler next. All right, Ziller rights, Yeah, let me

435
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 2: let me let me give you a Ziller's kid quote.

436
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 2: If the heat challenged the top of the East behind

437
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: a recommitted Butler who is playing for a contract, mind

438
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: you then Jimmy will have reminded everyone why he's such

439
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: an important player in this era. He's only appeared on

440
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: three MVP ballots and has never finished higher than tenth.

441
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: I look bad up, So yeah, this seems far fetched.

442
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: I feel like he'll be our lowest out of the

443
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: bunch so far. Is he outside or is in the uber? Like,

444
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 2: does he have any chance, really, Jimmy Butler, of winning MVP?

445
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: No chance, that's what you got. I mean, I want

446
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 3: to put him waiting outside because I'm a Jimmy Butler optimist,

447
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 3: and like Zilla is saying, if this happens, if this happens,

448
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 3: if this happens, all that is not going to happen.

449
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 3: Like all of those things, the Heat would have to

450
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 3: be a top four seed. I think that that would

451
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 3: be a great season for them, But for Jimmy to

452
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: actually win MVP, they would have to be like a

453
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 3: top two seed, and I don't really think that that's

454
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 3: gonna happen for Miami. You also have to play enough

455
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: games to make these ballots in the first place. I

456
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 3: wonder if that'll happen for Jimmy Butler. Obviously, pat Riley

457
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: is calling him out, saying, we need more games from you.

458
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: You got a contract coming up. We'll see if that

459
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 3: matters for Jimmy Butler, because he knows he really makes

460
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: his money in the postseason, and that will get people

461
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 3: to still sign on. If you're still awesome in April

462
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 3: and May, it matters a lot more than if you're

463
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: awesome in December and January.

464
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

465
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: My inclination says to put Jimmy in the Uber, but

466
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: I would like to put him outside. I'm starting the

467
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: bidding at the uber.

468
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: The yeah, I mean, And here's to like double down

469
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: on that. He's the oldest guy we've mentioned so far, right,

470
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he's what thirty four to thirty five, thirty five?

471
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: He misses games. You said it, sixty games played last year,

472
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: sixty four, the year before fifty seven, the year before

473
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 2: fifty two, the year before fifty eight, the year before.

474
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: That's that's not enough to a lot, that's not enough.

475
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 2: You're gonna need more. And the other part like, honestly,

476
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: as great as he is and a two way player,

477
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: it's like just the scoring numbers are not gonna be

478
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 2: anywhere close to your elite MVP guys, like you'll be

479
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: looking at Jimmy scoring what would be a great season

480
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: for him, like twenty two to twenty three points per game,

481
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: You're gonna be looking at like ten other guys that

482
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: are like flirting with thirty. So it's just it's not realistic.

483
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: They would have to be the number one seed that

484
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: would shock everybody. And then of course it's his team

485
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: and maybe he gets it from that way, but that's

486
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: not happening. So I'm in the uber test.

487
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the numbers for him aren't gonna be there. You

488
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 4: look at his points per game throughout his career, He's

489
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 4: never had a monstrous, like, if you look at it

490
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 4: that way, an MVP type season. But if his team

491
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 4: is good enough, if his team is using this stuff

492
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 4: as bolton board material, where the team are experts and

493
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 4: fans are just not putting them in the top five

494
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: six Duncan Robinson recently, we are using that it's bolton

495
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 4: board material for me. Okay, sure, And maybe it is

496
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 4: his contract year here and his thirty fifth year on

497
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 4: the planet. The man is old, but he wouldn't have

498
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: even qualified for MVP, as you said, with all those

499
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: for years, because you need to reach sixty five games.

500
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 4: So for the last few years, he wouldn't be there.

501
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 4: He's just too damn good to throw him in the uber.

502
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: I think he's outside. I mean that's fine.

503
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so you ultimately decide that because I'm definitely

504
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: in the uber.

505
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: We got to put him in the uber, all right,

506
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: we need somebody down there.

507
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy's like asking for some country song from the

508
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: driver and he's chilling in the back. Hey, mind if

509
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: I crack this michelobultro back here.

510
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So let's go to.

511
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: Next on Zilla's list, Steph Curry. If the Warriors have

512
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: a surprisingly good season, Curry will deserve MVP attention, and

513
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm corning Zillar here. Interestingly, last season was the first time,

514
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: other than the injury victim twenty nineteen twenty season since

515
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: twoenty and eleven twelve, that Creed didn't receive a single

516
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: MVP vote. So it didn't happen last year. The only

517
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: other year that's hadn't happened in a very long time

518
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: is that one where he'd missed obviously, So what we

519
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: do is, Steph, I mean what obviously saw when he

520
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: turns it on, he turns it on and gives you

521
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: a gold absolutely right. It's a season we're looking at here, and.

522
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: If I'm recalling correctly, stuff was in the mix for

523
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: MVP votes early in the season last year, you know,

524
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: when he was really really hot. But I don't know.

525
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: The Warriors would need to be a locked in playoff team.

526
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 3: I think for Steph Curry to end up on MVP ballots,

527
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: which is certainly possible assuming Draymond plays more games this season,

528
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: doesn't pick up a suspension. Maybe the players they got

529
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: to replace Klay Thompson are a little more effective than

530
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: Clay was for the entirety of last year. It just

531
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of things would have to be

532
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: break right for stuph to actually end up on ballots.

533
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: But you can see him getting like fifth place votes.

534
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: So for that, I think I would He's between the

535
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: bar and the bathroom to me, and I think he's

536
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: got to be at the end of the buy the

537
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: bar section.

538
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I am with you in that he could

539
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: be at the MVP table early on in the season,

540
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: and so I think you got to start a new category.

541
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he could be there just for a drink.

542
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: I'm here just for a drink. I'm here just for

543
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 4: the appetizers. I'm not here for long, but yeah, it's

544
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: just there because I think, you know, the Golden State Warriors.

545
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: I do like the players that they have gotten around

546
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: Kurry this offseason. He's the Meltons, the Kyle Anderson's, they're good,

547
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: the Buddy Heels, they're good. They'll start somewhere hot, but

548
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: there's no way they can win that many games to

549
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: have him at the MVP table, So he'll drop off,

550
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: he'll leave. I guess I'll go to the bar for

551
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 4: a bit.

552
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: I'll go to the And the other part of the

553
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: equation here is how much curR and the Warriors organization

554
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: try and sort of save Steph Curry throughout a long

555
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: season for a potential playoff run if the team is

556
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: maybe exceeding expectations and guys are playing above their head,

557
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: and suddenly Andrew Wiggins is back to being good like

558
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: who knows, but like his minutes are sort of going

559
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: down as his career goes on. I mean, obviously he's

560
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: getting older. He's now the oldest guy we've talked about here.

561
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: He could be a thirty minute per game and then

562
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be very difficult to get to that

563
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 2: still thirty point per game level that we've seen him

564
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: do or thirty two and that one yearly went bonkers.

565
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: But you got him buy the bar. You haven't at

566
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: the end of the bars that we're saying.

567
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you want to throw him in the back.

568
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm okay with that right now. I'm okay

569
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: with that right now. Yeah, because if the Warriors are good,

570
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: then of course he gets the MVP lots like Ziller said,

571
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's only sort of gets downd to

572
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: the team success, which we don't think is going to

573
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: happen in a loaded West that the Warriors are going

574
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: to be a top four team.

575
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: How far off were they from being a top four

576
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: seed last year? Wasn't that crazy? It wasn't as crazy

577
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: as Grandmond doesn't make twenty five games, they have a

578
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: chance at it, and I think that obviously makes Steph

579
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: Candidacy looks a lot better. If they're a top four

580
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: seed in the Western Conference, that's pretty unlikely, but it's

581
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: definitely possible.

582
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like five games behind a top four seed,

583
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: so you know obviously in there. Yeah. Yeah, but forty

584
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: six and thirty six is what the Warriors were last.

585
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: Year, there are going to be a lot of teams

586
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: that are heartbroken, that won't miss, that won't make those

587
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: top four. There's plenty of them. Yeah, as we go

588
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: along here, and they won't get MVP votes because of it.

589
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: They're still damn good players. Curry won Clutch Player of

590
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: the Year last year. Yeah, he was a great call.

591
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: He was so efficient. He's thirty five, he's going to

592
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 4: be good. But yeah, maybe his team isn't there quite yet.

593
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: And they tried to go for it. They tried to

594
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: get Paul George or Larry Mark and and to make

595
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: Curry the MVP that he was in the Olympics. So

596
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 4: they give the MVP to Lebron.

597
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: Right, that was for the tournament.

598
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that was for the entire tournament, not for

599
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: the last two and a half minutes. It was all Corey.

600
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Alright, let's go to Lebron. Teammate Anthony Davis, now eighty

601
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: finished top five twice in New Orleans, but no higher

602
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: than number six in the MVP vote since moving to

603
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: la as Ziller hypothesizes, might be a paying a penalty

604
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: there for playing with Lebron James, because as good as

605
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: he's been at timespecially last year where he actually played

606
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: and he was healthy. You're playing beside Lebron, and a

607
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: lot of attension is rightfully gonna go to him. But

608
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: ad I find this one a little tough to slot

609
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: him in where we're putting him in the restaurant, where

610
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: are you gonna go?

611
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: Played a ton last year, Lakers record wasn't that great,

612
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: and I'm sure still finished behind Lebron in voting, So

613
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: I think that that seems like a big hurdle to

614
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: overcome for Anthony Davis. He'll just never really get the

615
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: credit for the Lakers being great unless he's averaging thirty

616
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: to ten, which just isn't necessarily an Anthony Davis sort

617
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: of thing. I think he's one of the best two

618
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: way players in the game, maybe the second best in

619
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: the league after Giannis, maybe even the first considering his

620
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: defense is so good and he really carries the Lakers

621
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: on that end. But I think Anthony Davis for me,

622
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: is waiting outside. I think he will make all NBA teams,

623
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: but I don't think he's a realistic MVP candidate.

624
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: You can put him in the uber because I think

625
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: he is very, very unlikely to get any MVP votes.

626
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: There's no chance he wins MVP, even as good as

627
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: he is. Like you just said at the beginning, he

628
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: played so many games last year, he was so good defensively.

629
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: I think he's learned how to handle his body, and

630
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: maybe Lebron has helped him do that. You're paying that

631
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: million bucks per year or whatever Lebron does obviously helps him,

632
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: and for Anthony Davis it's helped as well. But Lebron's

633
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: getting MVP votes on that team. Anthony Davis hasn't got

634
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: an MVP vote since nineteen twenty. That's a long time ago,

635
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: and Lebron has had his in the middle. And this

636
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: team is not going to be as good as some

637
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: of those top Western Conference teams. It's highly highly, highly unlikely.

638
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: So that hurts them as well. I don't think there's

639
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: any chance that he gets an MVP vote period.

640
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: The only chance would be a Lebron injury.

641
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: True, that's it.

642
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: Well, I know, yeah, like Lebron goes down for a

643
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: signific amount of time, which never happens, but you know whatever,

644
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: and then yeah, Ady carries them still to a really good,

645
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: successful regular season. That would be the only way that

646
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: you can sort of squint and see a third fourth,

647
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: fifth place MVP vote, I think for Anthony Davis. So

648
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: you want you want Uber?

649
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: I say Uber because Lebron even hasn't gotten an MVP

650
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: vote the last two seasons.

651
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: So and that's team success, huge partament that good. Okay, Okay,

652
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: put him in the Uber.

653
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: Put him in the Uber.

654
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe ahead of Jimmy though, Yeah, he's in line.

655
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: He's got Uber X.

656
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: Jimmy said it's here in three minutes. It's gonna be

657
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: six for me.

658
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: Okay.

659
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: Moving on to Luca Donche. I don't think this one's

660
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: going to take long. A Zilla wrote a perennial preseason

661
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: MVP favorite. He'll win one at some point. Luca, Luca,

662
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: you do agree with that, and thus we put him

663
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: at the table. I assume he's at the table.

664
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: He's a hungry boy. I mean he's like third points

665
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: per game triple double every single year. I mean it's

666
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: not actually thirty points triple double, but it could be

667
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: if he decides to get busy. The thing with Luca

668
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: is you can talk yourself into whatever happens with him

669
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: in the summer, mattering at all from playoff time, because

670
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: last year is like, oh, he's coming off the Feeble

671
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: World Cup. He's gonna be in the best shape. He'll

672
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: be ready to go this season. Now, he didn't make

673
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: the Olympics, so this summer, it's like, oh, well, he's

674
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: gonna be rested, so he'll be ready to go. It

675
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: just matters if Luca decides to be locked in for

676
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: an entire season. But I think he is our number

677
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: one ranked guy thus far at the table.

678
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's up there. Looking at his stats, it's just

679
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: unbelievable what he was last year, leading the league in

680
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: scoring at thirty three point nine. Will that happen again

681
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: with Clay getting a bunch of shots there? Now, I

682
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: don't know everything is going to go through Luca. I

683
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: don't think it matters how many games he played in

684
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 4: the summer. I don't think it matters if people were

685
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: saying in the Olympics, oh he looks fat again. Come on,

686
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: He's never gonna look cut. He's just a damn good

687
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: basketball player. He made the finals life last year, so

688
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: I guess it was his longest run. And maybe he'll

689
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: be tired for the first time ever. I mean, he

690
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: had months off.

691
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: People say you're gonna be tired from playing in June.

692
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: It's such an insane theory. You're right, people throw it

693
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: out there.

694
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's joining NIS.

695
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: This is yeah, we're being Yeah, he is.

696
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: We're being good here, We're being We're being good.

697
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: We're being good. What do you mean I mean we're not.

698
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: I would be crowding the at the table with MVP

699
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: candidates and then dropping them off shortly, as I said, like,

700
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: Brent's gonna be damn good anyways, only our second guy.

701
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, and has to be there because for this

702
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: reason alone. He's been All NBA First Team the last

703
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: five seasons, and some of those years obviously that was

704
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: when we were taking into positions, and so he was

705
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: always a top two guard in the league for the

706
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: basically last five seasons. So he's definitely at the table.

707
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Will he play enough games, Well, he'll play enough games.

708
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: It's always you know, just hit seventy last year, sixty

709
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: sixty years before or uh, you know, sixty five before that.

710
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: He's always right around that mark. Yeah, because he does

711
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: pick up injuries and technical Yeah, well good point, but man, Yeah,

712
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: to see thirty three point nine points per game, to

713
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: see him leading the league and then he didn't even

714
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: finish second in MVP, let alone winning finishing third. Yeah,

715
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: that's a stack this season this league.

716
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: Is it's just he's getting better. It was his most

717
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: efficient year's best three point shooting year. He's twenty five,

718
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: So this is the best Luka we've ever seen. So

719
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to say, Hell, yeah, whatever dumb

720
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 4: reason you're gonna come up with, the guy's just good enough.

721
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just like, I think we're at the point

722
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: with him is like, what does the Mavericks ranking in

723
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: the West or at least however you want to look

724
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: at it, record have to be for him to just

725
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: finally get his first one. I think that's all it

726
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: comes down to, because you know the stats are gonna

727
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: be there again, considering he plays enough games, like they're

728
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: a fifty win team last year. You know, if there

729
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: are they a fifty five win team, that's enough sixty

730
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: of course, I'm just wondering. I know it depends on

731
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: what the other teams in the world US are doing,

732
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: but like, how high did the MAVs have to be

733
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: for Luca to finally get his first one? You tell

734
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: us they're in the stream team if you've got the

735
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: right number, I don't know what it is.

736
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: At the very last, it feels like they have to

737
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: win more games than the thunder, right, Yeah, because those

738
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: two are so totally close and in the mix with

739
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: each other.

740
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, all right, Kevin Durant's

741
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: next up. We're at the ninth guy overall. For keeping

742
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: track here, Katie hasn't finished top five in MVP voting

743
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen sixteen, and it would take the Suns

744
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: performing exceedingly well probably plus Booker missing time in all

745
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: likelihood to Garner Katie support. That was a Ziller sort

746
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: of theory here, and that's we talked to me a

747
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: little bit about Booker. I sort of agree with that.

748
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: I do think it's Booker's team more than it is

749
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Katie's at this point. But where do you want to

750
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: put Kevin Durant man at This.

751
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: Is a fun stage of his career. It's super fun

752
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: because his numbers were still good even after those that

753
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: year you mentioned fifteen sixteen, that was the last time

754
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: he got votes. It was eighteen nineteen. Excuse me that

755
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: he got vote? Was that you're said top five? Top five?

756
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 4: Excuse me? Excuse me? Yeah, he was he was lower

757
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: than that, But whose team is it? I think Durant

758
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: wants to push it into Booker's direction. I think it

759
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: is sort of Booker's so worry to put him. I

760
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: am positive about this team and just under Budenholzer and

761
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: what they have, they should be better and that helps Durant.

762
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: But he's by the bar at the bath in the bathroom,

763
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: I would put him. It's weird to put uh, this

764
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: whole fame type guy in the bathroom. But I don't

765
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: think he's I don't think he's winning it.

766
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: We all got a ship man, that's right, everybody, what

767
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: do we want to put him?

768
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: I think in the bathroom. For me, it just seems

769
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: unlikely that Durant would finish ahead a Booker in MVP votes,

770
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: So I have him won back, even though this summer

771
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: I've seen a ton of Kevin Durant should have been

772
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: all defense last year, buzz and you know, maybe he

773
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: would have been if it wasn't switched away from positions

774
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: and basically made it impossible for everybody that's not a

775
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: big guy to make the team. He was a solid

776
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: defender for the Suns. I think he's a great player,

777
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: a guy that could win a playoff MVP or a

778
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: conference finals or finals MVP should the Suns go that far.

779
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: But for regular season MVP, I have Booker a little ahead,

780
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: and I think it'd be cool if Durant ends up

781
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: on some ballots. I just don't think it's very likely.

782
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: So he's a bathroom boy from me.

783
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: Yep, chuck him in the can. I'm with you, guys,

784
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: where would you put them ahead of Polo's chances to

785
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: win MVP or is he behind in the queue for

786
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: the washroom?

787
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're thinking about things going perfectly for

788
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: both the Magic and the Suns, I think Polo had

789
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: finished ahead since he's the number one guy.

790
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, I think you're right, because in the

791
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: Katie situation, you need two things to happen. Them to

792
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: obviously exceed expectations, be a really good team, and probably

793
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: Booker missing enough games where he couldn't even win it,

794
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: so then it sort of shifts to Kadi as the

795
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: league guy. But Polo, you don't need that to part.

796
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: I like how you're ranking them within the category. That's

797
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 4: like the old all NBA chat. Doesn't matter if you

798
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: guys on the second or the third team matters. It

799
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: matters if he's first in the line in the bathroom

800
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: for the stall or whatever. Here he's second, Ben Carrol

801
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 4: can pick his stall.

802
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Anthony Edwards, our tenth guy. So

803
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: So says, if the Wolves dominate the West, Aunt who

804
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: finished seventh in MVP voting and made All NBA Second

805
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Team last season, will get a lot of support. I

806
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: agree with that. People love them some Anthony Edwards, like,

807
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: they want to vote this guy almost for an MVP

808
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: before He's probably still have reached those levels in his career.

809
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: But he's in the conversation.

810
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: Wow, he's borderline.

811
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: He's he's not at the he's not at the table.

812
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't think.

813
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Okay, I'm with what was your

814
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: your friend's name, Cusper?

815
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: Joe Cusper.

816
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's Cusper for me. I know people love this

817
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 4: man because of who he is, who is on the mic,

818
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: who is on the court obviously, but he hasn't got

819
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: there quite yet. But he's very very very close. So

820
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: some people want to annoint him as an MVP.

821
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: I get it.

822
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: I'm fine leaving it right there for for Cusper, you

823
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: can you take a tray? I mean I would I

824
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: probably put him by the bar in all, honestly, I

825
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: think there's enough guys to but I would put more

826
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: guys ahead of him. But I stopped myself when thinking

827
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: about the Minnesota Timberwolves ranking. There's record really is what

828
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: comes down to, like if they happened to be the

829
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: one seed in the West and could do it. But

830
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: that's where I think SGA will have a better Wreckord.

831
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: Well, that's all. It's funny you brought him up. Feel

832
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: like Ant is on the SGA trajectory here right where

833
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: two seasons ago, Shay I think was like a top

834
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: five MVP vote. Then last year he goes up a

835
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: level thunder get better. He finishes runner up. You know, Ant,

836
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: like I said, seventh last year, maybe the Wolves have

837
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: a great record, Maybe he bumps up more. He finishes

838
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: second or third or whatever, fourth, and then you know,

839
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: years down the line, maybe gets one. But I think

840
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: we're a little too early for him realistically winning it

841
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: next year. So I'm fine with by the bar. Would

842
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: you pull him lower?

843
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm I agree. I think he's by the bar.

844
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: He's very similar to Jalen Brunson to me, like it

845
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprising if Anthony Edwards finished his specifically fifth

846
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: and MVP voting, where you're like, we know who the

847
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: top four guys are, but this is a great season

848
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: for the Timberwolves. Edwards hit a ton of big shots.

849
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: His efficiency took a step forward, basically what Brunson did

850
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: last year, asserting himself as the go to guy at

851
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: an absolute superstar we all think, and Anthony Edwards is there,

852
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of taking it one little level

853
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: high or so. I think he's equivalent to Brunson buying

854
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: a bar and they could easily get the call it

855
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: come sit down.

856
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Okay, and just ahead of Booker and Curry. Yeah, okay, I.

857
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: Would have those guys tied, I think.

858
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that.

859
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

860
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: Number eleven Joelle Embiid the big man, as Zilla said,

861
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: some forget. Embiide was the front runner last year before

862
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: injuries derailed his twenty three to twenty four season. One

863
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: at the year before, hit sixty six games and got it.

864
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: Obviously was a runner up the two years prior to that.

865
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: So Embiid is he just it's like an automatic sit

866
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: down at the table, big guy, take up a bunch

867
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: of space man, especially if this is a booth. We

868
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: got him and Yo Kich just taking up like this

869
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: better be a big area for men, or or what

870
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: are you doing now with the Sixers obviously adding Paul

871
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: George that help him hurt him? MAXI leveling up? I mean,

872
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: I don't know you want him at the at the table,

873
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: TK or.

874
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 3: At the bar. This is a hard one to figure

875
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: out because Embiid, if you're telling me that he plays

876
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 3: seventy five games this season, I'll say you're a liar.

877
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: But then I'll also say he's definitely a top five

878
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: MVP guy. Think I was scoring a point a minute,

879
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: It's never been done other than Wilt Chamberlain last year,

880
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: and then obviously brings it defensively as well. Sure there

881
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: are times in the playoffs where I was like, grab

882
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: a rebound, buddy, but he was also dragging his leg

883
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: around at that point. I just think Embiid is so

884
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: tough to figure on how many games you should play,

885
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: How smart it is for the Sixers to play him

886
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: enough games to actually be eligible for postseason awards, or

887
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: do they just want to make sure he's healthy for

888
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: the playoffs since they're assuming they're going to go deep

889
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: with Paul George coming there. I can't put him. Talent wise,

890
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: he's at the table, but everything else wise he's at

891
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: the bar.

892
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I throw him at the bar. You

893
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: talk to him and you'd say, hey, sit, we need

894
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: you healthy for the playoffs. Also, we've got Paul George

895
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: playing the perimeter, so you don't have to shoot as

896
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: much as you did to go along with Tyrre's Maxett.

897
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: So they are they're way better around him. And they

898
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: got Paul George to make Joel and be happy, there's

899
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: no doubt about that. And to keep him be happy,

900
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: you just got to keep him healthy and ready for

901
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: the playoffs. So I don't think he plays sixty games.

902
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: I think he's he takes it easy and so that

903
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: hurts his MVP's house, even though you know, you know,

904
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: he can drop thirty three on you as an average,

905
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: so it's it's tough to take him away from me.

906
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: He's like Giannis that way, or Yokic obviously, or Luca

907
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: even like there's the numbers are.

908
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: Just like you look at them, and way too many.

909
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I mean really, all I heard from

910
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: was you got from you guys, and rightfully, so I

911
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: was just like does he play enough games? He plays

912
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: enough games, he's absolutely at the table. But why would

913
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: He's already got an MVP. That's like sort of not

914
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: probably at the top of his list of achievements now,

915
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: like I got that. Now, it's about obviously going far

916
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and winning a championship. I mean he

917
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: averaged thirty three points per game in the first round

918
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Yeah, coming back from injury feels wrong

919
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: not to put him at the table in a weird

920
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: way because we're just saying he won't play enough games.

921
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: But he won't probably, yeah, exactly, Well, he has to

922
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: be first. He has to be first at the bar then,

923
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: like he's got him if you want.

924
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: Him at the table. He's played enough games so far,

925
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: he's played zero games like these guys.

926
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

927
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: He's healthy right now. Yeah, bringing a gold medal okay

928
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: and beads at the table. Yeah, I feel better about that.

929
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: He's played eight seasons, he's played enough games twice because

930
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: it's a weird six tea literally just yeah. But anyway,

931
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 4: he's he's get talented enough and I think he'll well,

932
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: he'll be removed from the table at some point here

933
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: when we get deep, When we get deeper, we could

934
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 4: always cross him off eventually.

935
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: That's right, all right. Next name it is Shake Gildess Alexander.

936
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: He finished a fifth in twenty two to twenty three,

937
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: finished second last year, Like I said, and Okac is

938
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: being talked up as a very strong Western Conference regular

939
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: season favorite. And this is SGA's team is No one

940
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: would deny that he's the clear alpha. He's at the table.

941
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: He is after running up season that we played for

942
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: Canada in the summer, like, no fall off there. And

943
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: then yeah, if the team is better with Hartenstein and Caruso,

944
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: I mean, if the record just gets better, how could

945
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: he not possibly win this thing?

946
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: In all honesty, Yeah, yes, the record would have to

947
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: stay at same. They finished as the one seed last year, right.

948
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: It was close, came down to the last day of

949
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: the season.

950
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: Exactly right, they should. I mean, who knows, who knows

951
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. The Western Conference is tough, but they

952
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: should at least be a top four team in the

953
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: Western Conference. So I have him up there with Luca

954
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 3: amongst the favorites.

955
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: I've got him up there as well. Considering yes, the

956
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: Caruso signing or the trade. I should say Hart and

957
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: Stein Holgrin going into a second year, Jalen Williams going

958
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: into his third year, they should be better overall. They're

959
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: going for it, So I think they'll have a better record,

960
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: and SGA will reap the rewards because he's going to

961
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: be so freaking good. I mean, we're just talking about

962
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 4: the guys who score thirty points. SGA is gonna do that,

963
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: no problem, and it seems gonna be awesome. So how

964
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: do you take him away from them?

965
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: No, you're not taking him away. The question is what

966
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: TK slipped in there. Who heading in the season is

967
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: more likely to win MVP, Luca or SGA in terms

968
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: of where we put them in order there on our

969
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: tear maker.

970
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm when it comes to season picks,

971
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take SGA for MVP, just because I don't

972
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 3: think it's fun to take that the favorite.

973
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: Ye fair fair.

974
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

975
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: And I think the Thunder will have a better record

976
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: than Matters.

977
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a part of it.

978
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: I think there's no doubt that they will. I think

979
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: okay See will be the number one seed or number

980
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 4: two seeds. They'll have a better record than the MAVs.

981
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 4: So I think that helps Esga a lot.

982
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: I would take Esga all right, So he is at

983
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: the table and he's going, uh yeah, he maybe has

984
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: he's holding the menu. He might be ordering for the

985
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: table at least right now. Yes, we got more names here,

986
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: and our next name is Tyrese Haliburton. Now, Ziller admits

987
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: that Haliburton is probably closer to Pallo Bancaro than the

988
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: top guys. But it's worth a mention because there was

989
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: real buzz about Halliburton for all NBA First Team a

990
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: couple of months into last season, and pair that with

991
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: Indiana should be better. Maybe there's a case. And I

992
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: think even Ziller said, you know, people do like to

993
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: vote for like you led the league in offense. You know,

994
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: like there's almost like a Nash narrative possibly around Halliburton,

995
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: as far fetch as it might be. So are we

996
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: putting him in the can with Bancaro or is he

997
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: waiting outside or even the uber have started.

998
00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: Here A great question? Where do you sit or or stand?

999
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: I'm Tyre's Halliburton. I think he is one of those

1000
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: guys like last year, like Ziller matched, he'll be in

1001
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 4: the conversation at some point, but he will get injured

1002
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: at some point. It sure feels like where he won't

1003
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 4: be able to stay at the table. So I think, yeah,

1004
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 4: he'll be there for apps, but then he'll have to

1005
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: get going, and I think you can put him. There's

1006
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: too many good dudes here. I think he's outside. I mean,

1007
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: I think the Eastern Conference teams are gonna be better

1008
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 4: than the Pacers. It's gonna be a lot better team.

1009
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: So I think this hurts Halliburton and the fact that

1010
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: again he's gonna miss some games unfortunately. I think that's

1011
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 4: that's fairly expected of Halliburton. Narrative, Yeah, that's good, but

1012
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 4: the narrative will be good for the Knicks and the

1013
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: six Ers. I think he's he's outside for me.

1014
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think last year was the narrative year for

1015
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Tyrese Haliburn. The way that the Pacers came out of

1016
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: the gates. He was like a twenty five point twelve

1017
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 3: assist guy. I don't think that that's necessar his career

1018
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: long level. But he's probably also not like a sixteen

1019
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: point nine assis guy the way he was after his injury.

1020
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: It's somewhere in between. There. Most likely, but the Pacers

1021
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: aren't gonna catch teams by surprise this year. I don't think.

1022
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: I think they'll probably slow down a little bit offensively.

1023
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 3: It would kind of behoove them to commit a little

1024
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: to the defensive end and build around Siakam as well

1025
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: as Halliburton's talents.

1026
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know.

1027
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a realistic MVP candidate. I think

1028
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: he could get some votes if he stays on the

1029
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: court and if the Pacers are a top four seed,

1030
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: which is a reasonable expectation for them, So I would

1031
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: put him. I guess I would put him at the

1032
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: end of the bathroom. But if that means we're finally

1033
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: getting somebody into the waiting outside, i'd be happy with

1034
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: that too.

1035
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1036
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean you can basically put it in pen almostly.

1037
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: He's gonna average twenty and ten and maybe even better

1038
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 2: than that, right, like flirting with like twenty two and twelve,

1039
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that. If they play super fast, can you

1040
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: get a three point shot back to what it was

1041
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 2: like two years ago, and he was like a forty

1042
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: percent three point shooter sort of dipped a little bit.

1043
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm okay. I like peer I like having them by

1044
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: Ben Carro. Like Zilla said, that makes sense to me

1045
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: because the case for both of those guys is similar

1046
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: that they sort of shock people, they flirt with, like

1047
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: a top three seed, and they're the guys on their team,

1048
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: and they would deserve the credit and get some votes.

1049
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's in the camp. Okay, okay, good. Lebron

1050
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: James name number fourteen here hasn't received any MVP votes

1051
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: in either of the past two seasons, but he's on

1052
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: a twenty year all NBA streak, clearly blowing my mind.

1053
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: With that, Zilla wrote, I find it hard to believe

1054
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: there's a scenario in which Lebron is deemed the most

1055
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 2: valuable player in the league this season. But I also

1056
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: found it unlikely that he would be the most dominant

1057
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: important player on Team USA during the twenty four Olympics

1058
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: and win tournament MVP. And here we are so fair, fair,

1059
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: you think it's always going to end at some point,

1060
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: and he just remains one of the top at least

1061
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: top fifteen, if not flirtling with top ten players in

1062
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: the league. But where we putting him for the MVP

1063
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: conversation for.

1064
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 3: The regular season MVP. He's also the defending NBA Cup MVP,

1065
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: which you gotta says got to be one of the favorites.

1066
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: I think for that, how do you put Lebron lower

1067
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: than the third tier in the bathroom? And we just

1068
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: want him waiting outside because the Lakers have been waiting

1069
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: outside the playoffs the past couple of seasons in the

1070
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: play in tournament and that's likely where they finished this year,

1071
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: or do they hit a hot streak finished top six

1072
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: and Lebron has a season like he did last year.

1073
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: Even if that's the case, his numbers at this point

1074
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: in his career aren't the same as the people in

1075
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: the upper echelon. Here thirty points a game ten assists

1076
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: that those kind of numbers, Lebron is just putting up

1077
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: a paltry twenty seven and seven. You know that's that's

1078
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: Lebron's that line twenty seven seven and seven, and he's

1079
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: never actually had that in a game, that specific number.

1080
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: Isn't that weird?

1081
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: Very weird? Something to make any sense? Lebron?

1082
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a tea. That's your four guy.

1083
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: I think he's waiting outside.

1084
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 2: I just want somebody in that tier, and that would

1085
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: have him ahead of Anthony Davis, which is backed.

1086
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, finally, somebody waiting outside even though he's one of

1087
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 4: the top fifteen players, will he could.

1088
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: Be He could be with Kevin Durant hanging in the bathroom.

1089
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel like. But I don't

1090
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: know if you have to have five in each category here.

1091
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: We don't have to.

1092
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know we don't have to. That's why I

1093
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 4: thought waiting outside. Don't think I think the sidewalk's empty.

1094
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody should be waiting outside amongst these players,

1095
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: I think they're too damn good. But either one of

1096
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: those he's not gonna win MVP, but he's he's one

1097
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: of the better players in the game.

1098
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think this gets back to the team success.

1099
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: You guys said it. We have Paolo, Katie, and Tyree

1100
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: in the bathroom. A large part is their teams could

1101
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: be top three in their conference if everything goes well.

1102
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: Uh you know again, Katie, maybe we do have a

1103
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: little too high, but I don't. I haven't seen anyone

1104
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: saying the Lakers are going to be that good and

1105
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: that's just gonna hurt Lebron. The numbers are gonna be great,

1106
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: same with AD, but it won't matter. I mean, you're

1107
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: just gonna be gonna be too low. So unless you

1108
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: think the Lakers are gonna shock everyone, JJ Reddick is

1109
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: going to unlock this team, which is basically the exact

1110
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: same team. Yeah, then sure, but I'm fine with waiting

1111
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: outside with Lebron. Yes, it feels look, I know it

1112
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: feels wrong. It does.

1113
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 4: It does feel wrong. It's up to their defense and

1114
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: somehow JJ Reddick gets great play out of Dalton connect

1115
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: and Jared Vanderbilt, who's a good defender, and Christian Coloco

1116
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: all of a sudden it is awesome. Yeah yeah, maybe,

1117
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 4: but yeah, Lebron will pay for it because the West

1118
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 4: is just so damn good, so the records is not

1119
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: going to be that good. That's that's a good point.

1120
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: But then it's fascinating that we have Curry, you know,

1121
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: two tiers higher than Lebron. And I'm not saying that's

1122
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: wrong because I think it's actually right. But I also

1123
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: don't believe the Warriors are they have the I mean,

1124
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: they might be better than the Lakers, but are they

1125
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's gonna be clo.

1126
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: I think Warriors got better. I don't think the Lakers

1127
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: got better. And I think Curry is more of a

1128
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: one man team than Lebron is.

1129
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just how big Draymond green suspension is

1130
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: going to be because if he didn't get suspended twice

1131
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: last year, they would have been way higher. Right, So

1132
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 4: it really does come down to Draymond Green. They are

1133
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 4: a one player team on offense, but on defense, Draymon

1134
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: Green helped them a lot. They would have been way better.

1135
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we know we're putting our next guy at

1136
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: the MVP table. It's just where are we slotting him

1137
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: in in this booth? And it is Nikoloa Jokic. I

1138
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: mean all Zilla asked he didn't worry about, like, of

1139
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: course he's on the list. Is Yokic nearing top fifteen

1140
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: all time conversation already? Or is he even higher? That's

1141
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: maybe a topic for another day. But Jokich TK where

1142
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: you want to put him at the MVP table? Is

1143
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: he still like a front runner to you? Is he

1144
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: now slotting in behind the young guns like Luca and

1145
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: SGA because he's got so many and people will be

1146
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: maybe reluctant to give him a fourth which would put

1147
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: him on a very short list of NBA legends.

1148
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: What do you think, well, I mean, the list of

1149
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: NBA players with three MVPs isn't all that long, No,

1150
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: And he's got three of the last four. For me,

1151
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: he's still number one. He's still holding the menu. He

1152
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: might not be the favorite right now, but he's won

1153
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: three of the last four. People would still say he's

1154
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: the best player in the league. And the last time

1155
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: a Nuggets team lost talent the way they have the

1156
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: past couple of seasons, Jokic won the MVP when Jamal

1157
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: Murray was out, So maybe CACP leaving Bruce Brown prior

1158
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 3: to that, Jeff Green as well. Maybe the fact that

1159
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: the Nuggets are assumed to be worse this season than

1160
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: they have been the past couple of years actually helps

1161
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: his case. But at the very least, I think is

1162
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: the defending MVP, he's still got to be the guy

1163
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: holding the menu at the table.

1164
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 4: Okay, he has to be at that table. Undoubtedly, I

1165
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: think he doesn't win because of how Denver went out

1166
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 4: in the playoffs last year. I think that hurts him.

1167
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: To get his fourth MVP would be asking a lot

1168
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: for a guy who, yes, they won the title two

1169
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: years ago, but the way they went out last year

1170
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: it hurts him him to get his fourth one. I

1171
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 4: think he'll have a great year. He'll have a fun year.

1172
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: You saw him at the Farewell game for Goran drag It.

1173
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: She was having fun. I think there's a reason why

1174
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: they win and got another balcon Bro Dario Sarch to

1175
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 4: be off the bench. They're gonna have fun together this year.

1176
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna have an enjoyable locker room along

1177
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: with Russell Westbrook. So I think regular season the Nuggets

1178
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: are gonna be great. Playoffs. I cannot wait to see

1179
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 4: what they're gonna do if you put all those pieces together.

1180
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: After Casey, he goes out Christian Brown. What he's going

1181
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 4: to do as a defender if they get matched up

1182
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: with Anthony Edwards again, he was pretty damn good against

1183
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards. I'll have to say he ain't winning the MVP,

1184
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: but he's at the table.

1185
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: You don't think you can win another This is interesting

1186
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: this year.

1187
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: I think it really specific. I think if let's say

1188
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 4: he has to have way better numbers than last year,

1189
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: I would think as with them and how they lost.

1190
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: Like let's say he has the same numbers in his

1191
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 4: MVP season, he doesn't get as many votes because they

1192
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 4: lost in the postseason. I think that hurts.

1193
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has to have better numbers,

1194
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 2: but obvious he almost needs. Like his MVP is fourth

1195
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: one banks on or depends on Jamal Murray and like

1196
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior. It's like, if they have an incredible

1197
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: regular season and they're five games clear of the second

1198
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: best team in the West, he's gonna win it. His

1199
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: numbers are not falling off. There's no doubt that it's

1200
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I don't think they need to improve all

1201
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: that much, and I don't think they will. It's almost like,

1202
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: how can they? But I'm with you, I don't think

1203
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: he's I wouldn't have him, you know, if I'm doing

1204
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: the odds as the favorite to win MVP and he's not,

1205
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: we'll show you those later. But he's there at the table,

1206
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: so put him there, and yeah, let him hold the menu. Still, Yeah,

1207
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: he deserves that, right. The last time we were at

1208
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: the table, everyone had a great meal.

1209
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: Order.

1210
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Well I immediately said yes, And then

1211
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's like sort of the type of guy

1212
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: that's like, you don't even want to celebrate a championship

1213
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: he's anything, so who knows? Okay, next guy, Kawhi Leonard

1214
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 2: was on Ziller's list shocked me a little bit. Kahi

1215
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: hasn't received single MVP vote since twenty twenty one. He

1216
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: does have three top five finishes throughout his career, though.

1217
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it because I heard Zach Lowe

1218
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: talking with mode Quil about this the greatest players to

1219
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: never win an MVP, throwing out Jerry West, Elgin Baylor.

1220
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: I think Kawhi is probably on the short list for

1221
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: greatest ever to never win one. Isaiya, Thomas Wade, maybe

1222
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 2: Chris Paul, you know, Ewing Stockton, Pippin. There's lots of guys.

1223
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, where do you put Kawhi his chances in

1224
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: the Into It Dome with no Paul George and we're

1225
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: talking health of course and stuff like that.

1226
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, any chance, I'm just going silent. I'm just not

1227
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 4: going to answer, like like I doesn't want to answer.

1228
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 4: He wants to be good in the Into It Dome.

1229
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 4: It's really dependent on how good James Harden is. Because

1230
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 4: James Harden is going to get the ball a lot

1231
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: this year without Paul George, and he's going to be

1232
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 4: firing to guys like Batoom and Derek Jones Junior and

1233
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 4: Norman Powell, and they'll be shooting. So Kawhi is just

1234
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 4: one of those narratives here that just ain't all that

1235
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 4: sexy because nobody really believes in the Los Angeles Clippers

1236
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 4: because of Paul George leaving, the injuries, so he ain't

1237
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 4: up there. I mean, he could be waiting outside even

1238
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: though he is one of the better players in the NBA.

1239
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: He had a freaking great season last year. Waiting outside

1240
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 4: I think is fine.

1241
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: For me waiting outside or in the uber TK.

1242
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: What do you think I like to have him waiting outside,

1243
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: because just like Lebron, I think there will be moments

1244
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: this season where we're like, man, Kawhi Leonard is one

1245
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: of the three best players in the league right now.

1246
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: That was what it was last year. But then obviously

1247
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: he wasn't around for the playoffs. The Clippers had a

1248
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: really strange season. They hit the huge skid when James

1249
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: Harden was traded there. Then they were awesome for a while,

1250
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: then they kind of fell apart, and then obviously playoffs

1251
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: didn't go as imagined. But Kawhi, when he's healthy, when

1252
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: he is engaged and the team looks right. He's awesome.

1253
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: He's still a top five guy in the league. So yeah,

1254
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: for me, he's waiting outside because he's like he sees

1255
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: all of the great players in there. He's like, hey,

1256
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: I should be in there, right, you should? Yeah, but

1257
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: you're not always in there.

1258
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, guys. That's the perfect slot for him.

1259
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: I think that fourth tier waiting outside the restaurant. He's

1260
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: just so mad efficient when he plays too. I mean,

1261
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: he floorted with a fifty to forty ninety season. He

1262
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: hits a couple more free throws. He's got that, so

1263
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: maybe that even happens, and maybe ups of scoring now

1264
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: with Paul George gone, and that gets back to like

1265
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: his sort of his like his high marks were around

1266
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six points per game, and I think

1267
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: that's where he's generally going to tap out because he's

1268
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: not a huge, huge scorer like the other guys we

1269
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: have at the table, but he's outside. I like it.

1270
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: I see that Ben Simmons is now progressing, so he's

1271
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: getting closer to playing basketball, which means that the picture

1272
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: of James Harden looking swelt heading into the season convincing

1273
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: me that this is gonna be the year James Harden.

1274
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: It's got to be just around the right, around the corner.

1275
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it until you just mentioned hard

1276
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: and I was like, man, it's about time for me

1277
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: to get fired up.

1278
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, excellent. Donovan Mitchell's the next name on the

1279
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: list best player on an East team that could win

1280
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: more than fifty games, says Ziller. He finished number six

1281
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: in MVP voting in twenty two to twenty three, but

1282
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: he hasn't received any votes otherwise, which a little surprising

1283
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: to me. Where are we putting Donovan Mitchell? I thought,

1284
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: I think this was a tough one.

1285
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: Actually, this is a tough one. Although I respect Donovan Mitchell,

1286
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm putting him in the bathroom. I'm even reluctant to

1287
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 4: say it as I say it, but he belongs there,

1288
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 4: and he was good in the postseason win. He did

1289
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 4: play before he got hurt and the Calves were on

1290
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 4: his back. He's just one of those top six guards

1291
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: in the league. So I would throw him in the bathroom.

1292
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: It seems like he's found his way and found his

1293
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: groove with the Calves, and he bought in he signed

1294
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 4: an extension, so I think if he shows that to

1295
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: be in on the Kenny Atkinson team, I think he's

1296
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 4: gonna be damn good.

1297
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

1298
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: He to me would be either at the end of

1299
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 3: the by the bar tier or at the beginning of

1300
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: in the bathroom, just because I feel like Mitchell is

1301
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: gonna be one of the most productive players in the league.

1302
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: The Caves will be very good. He will be the

1303
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: main driver of success. Take a whole bunch of clutch shots.

1304
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: He hit a whole bunch of them. But will his

1305
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: numbers compare to Shay and Luca.

1306
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: Probably not.

1307
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 3: They'll probably just be a little bit behind, which will

1308
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: be enough to split hairs in the MVP. Those skeets,

1309
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: you tell me buy the bar in the bathroom.

1310
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: Oh, this one I do find tough because I almost

1311
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: want to make a prediction that at some point early

1312
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: in the start of the season, if the Cavs get

1313
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: off to a hot start like Donovan, Mitchell is gonna

1314
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: be on those MVP ladders. He's gonna be at the

1315
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: table for a stretch. But to do it for the

1316
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: entire length of the season is the issue. Like there

1317
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: will be a week or two where we're gonna be like,

1318
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: is Donovan Mitchell actually MVP? You know there'll be that,

1319
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: And I almost want to include him with like your

1320
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: Bookers and your Anthony Edwards because he feels on those

1321
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: on the level of those guys. Yeah, I think, damn close.

1322
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: So I I think I go buy the bar. I'm

1323
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: shocking myself a little bit here saying this, but I

1324
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: have him above those Pellow, Halliburton and Kd's.

1325
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, by the bar seems right. Even though

1326
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 4: I put him in the bathroom. I guess I dropped

1327
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 4: him a little bit because I do assume that his

1328
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 4: numbers were so good because Darius Carlin and Evan Mobley

1329
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: were hurt for a long stretch, so he was the

1330
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: guy and everything was going through him. So I think

1331
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 4: his numbers will hurt a little bit, and that's a

1332
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 4: good sign because you want Donovan Mitchell ready to go

1333
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. And Kenny Atkinson said we are going

1334
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 4: to use Evan Mobley a lot more this year. So

1335
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 4: one of those categories, I'm fine throwing him at the bar.

1336
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: He's good enough, but he could even drop from there

1337
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: after a couple months.

1338
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, yeah, I think that's possible, all right,

1339
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: John Morant's next Wow, this is fun. Ziller said he's

1340
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: close to picking Memphis to win the West. Zill are

1341
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: showing his cards a little bit here.

1342
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 3: He said.

1343
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: Jaw finished number seven in twenty twenty one twenty two

1344
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: in the MVP vote, got one vote in twenty two

1345
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: twenty three, but a suspensions obviously cost him support, and

1346
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: that all NBA not two years ago, didn't play much

1347
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: last year. So John Morant obviously you know what he

1348
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: had the Grizzlies as a number two seed those two

1349
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: years there. Yeah, where he's bawling out, you know, can

1350
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: they get them back to that level? And if so,

1351
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: where do we put them in the MVP conversation?

1352
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Grizzlies are right back to where

1353
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: they were before Jaws, before everybody's injuries last year and

1354
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: jow suspension the year prior, he will at the very

1355
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 3: least I think be in the second tier by the bar.

1356
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: But the Western Conference I also think has gotten a

1357
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: lot better since the Grizzlies were one of the top

1358
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 3: two seeds. I think the top four seeds are probably

1359
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 3: comparable to where the Grizzlies were a couple of seasons

1360
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: prior to last year for Memphis, that's just hard to

1361
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: say what the Grizzlies are going to be this season.

1362
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 3: We know they're good when they've got jaw JJJ and

1363
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: Desmond Baye all healthy, Like that's the makings of a

1364
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: team that's gonna win fifty games. But they got to

1365
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: go out and do it. So for me, I think

1366
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: he's ahead of the bathroom tier. I think I would

1367
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: have him in the bar.

1368
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 4: Two oh, so we'd have to kick out a steph

1369
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 4: Adno if we if he was to be at the bar,

1370
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 4: we don't need.

1371
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: To kick out. I mean the bar. There's no limit

1372
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: on how many people we can have at the bear totally.

1373
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: The table is the.

1374
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: One where there's a limit. I guess you could argue

1375
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: the ubers, but if they're sharing.

1376
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, John Morant's comeback season has to

1377
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: be happening.

1378
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: Now.

1379
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 4: You gotta feel like it's happening. As you said, the

1380
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: last two years, the Grizzlies were a team with John

1381
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 4: Morant leading. They were a number two seed in the West.

1382
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: But the West has definitely got stronger. But they also

1383
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 4: built their team while he was suspended and injured to

1384
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 4: be a better team. They got Marcus Banks smartus. I

1385
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 4: was called what a name? What a callback of a name?

1386
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart to be that that dog beside him along

1387
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: with Jared Jackson Jr. You can just ride Moran's back

1388
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 4: with that kind of lineup. So I could see him

1389
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 4: definitely getting to buy the bar. But I think I'm

1390
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 4: more comfortable in the bathroom at this point with how

1391
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 4: good is.

1392
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: The He's having anxiety. Yeah, this one's tough because on

1393
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: one hand, the narrative is there for John Moran to

1394
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: like really jump into the conversation again, because there's nothing

1395
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 2: this country likes to do more than obviously build someone

1396
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: up then tear them down rpefully. So I'll admit for

1397
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: some bonehead mistakes he makes, but then to bring somebody back, right,

1398
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: I'll bring them back. And if they obviously are a

1399
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: great team, he's the main guy. The numbers are there. Yeah,

1400
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: why couldn't he be at the bar? Ooh, I'm torn.

1401
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm torn between. I think I think, like you said,

1402
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: with all these elite teams in the Western Conference, as

1403
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: good as they might be or at least obviously bouncing

1404
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: back from like being a lottery team, they're not going

1405
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: to be flirting with that first or second seed. I

1406
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: think probably better teams than them, even as much as

1407
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: we love Zach Edy and we are Edie Pill just

1408
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: like the best of them.

1409
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: But they've been practicing together. Don't tell me that, oh, practice,

1410
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 4: And the team is just as I said, it's constructed

1411
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: to be good around.

1412
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: N I'm I'm there in the in the bathroom. I

1413
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: think that's where it is. Yeah, and maybe first Yeah, okay, okay, good,

1414
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: all right? Three names left? Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum. He

1415
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: really got all of this started Ricky O'Donnell of SB Nation.

1416
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

1417
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: He did his list nine guys, much shorter list than

1418
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: zill are potential MVP candidates, and he left Tatum off

1419
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: the list, and that got people all up in arms,

1420
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: right quoting Ricky. Tatum would easily fit the best player

1421
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: on the best team MVP formula, but it feels like

1422
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: he'll never get full credit for Boston's success because his

1423
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: teammates are too good. Tatum has been first Team All

1424
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: NBA the last three seasons, but he's finished sixth, fourth

1425
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: and sixth again in the MVP vote. Again, he's making

1426
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: first Team All NBA sort of top five, top two

1427
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: in his position at other years prior, but now we're

1428
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: finishing higher than fourth in the MVP VO What up

1429
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: with that?

1430
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: Uh?

1431
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: So?

1432
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: Could is there any case we made a Tatum like

1433
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: well even win one of these in his career, let

1434
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: alone this coming season. I'm serious.

1435
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 4: I think there's way better odds for other guys. For sure,

1436
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 4: I would say, uh, yeah, Tatum is. He's a cusper.

1437
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 4: He is on the cusp of the MVP table, and

1438
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 4: by the bar, I would definitely put him at the

1439
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 4: VP table. I do think the Celtics are gonna have

1440
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 4: the best record in the NBA, definitely in the Eastern Conference,

1441
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 4: but I think in the entire NBA and Jay's Dam's

1442
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 4: going to be motivated, Jalen Brown's going to be motivated.

1443
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 4: I think they're going to be a really really, really

1444
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 4: really good team period.

1445
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: But I guess, how is that any different than last year?

1446
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: Oh that's why he's a cusper. I mean he's right

1447
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 4: there problem six four to six, as you said, his

1448
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: last uh MVP three three ballots. Yeah, I think you

1449
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 4: have to put him at the MVP table because he

1450
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 4: could definitely be there. He may get up for real quick,

1451
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 4: but he'll be back again. I mean, he's they're gonna

1452
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: have the best record in the Eastern Conference. They're so

1453
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 4: damn and he's going to, I think, get the benefit

1454
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 4: of it. Even though Jallen Brown got it in the playoffs.

1455
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 4: Tatum's the guy.

1456
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: I've seen Jalen Brown doing a lot of underwater training

1457
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: for this season, so I guess there's a chance that

1458
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: his bones don't adjust to being outside of the water.

1459
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: It goes down with an injury. Porzingis, maybe his injury extends,

1460
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: and then Jason Tatum really has to carry this team.

1461
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: That's how I see him finishing top five MVP. Yeah,

1462
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: because if it didn't happen last year, it seems far fetched.

1463
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: But he's It's weird because, like you feel like he

1464
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: should be at the table. The team is going to be,

1465
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: at the very worst, the second best team in the

1466
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: entire league if the thunder Are go crazy in the

1467
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: Western Conference, but they should win the Eastern Conference. They

1468
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 3: destroyed in the playoffs, even missing Porzingis and Tatum still

1469
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: didn't get Conference finals MVP or Finals MVP or finished

1470
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: top five and voting the team is just a little

1471
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 3: bit too good. And when your team is too good,

1472
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: people will not give you the MVP.

1473
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's he also what of it too? Feels like

1474
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: he's like the anti Edwards or even anti shade of

1475
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: something that like a lot of people just don't like him.

1476
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: They don't and I swear they hold it against him.

1477
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm projecting, I don't know,

1478
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: but it feels that way to me. He does not

1479
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: seem more like maybe it's part of playing for the Celtics,

1480
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: obviously a storied franchise. Maybe there's that angle. I don't know,

1481
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: but he's obviously elite, but his team's so good that

1482
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you know, you're good, but like, so

1483
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: are all these other guys, and yeah, you know he

1484
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 2: has a weird playoff run where Jalen Brown is the

1485
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: one winning the award. It's like he stepped it up.

1486
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: And then obviously what we saw on the Summer Olympics

1487
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 2: and Tatum getting binged and sort of marginalized on that

1488
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: team USA, maybe he comes in fired up because of that. Yeah,

1489
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: but it's so funny, like him gunning for an MVP

1490
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: actually hurts his chances because then you know that used

1491
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: to be a couple of years ago sort of how

1492
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: he played a little shot happy, a little bit of

1493
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: a black hole and now he's become a better player

1494
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: and he's one of the best defensive players probably on

1495
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 2: this list. Yeah you know, so you know, where's the

1496
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 2: credit for that? So where we putting them at the

1497
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: end of the table or at the bar I guess

1498
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:06,480
Speaker 2: end of the table.

1499
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: At the end of the table.

1500
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: So we're keeping our table six, which I have no

1501
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: problem with.

1502
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: That's fine.

1503
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 2: I think it's the max number we can put out

1504
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,919
Speaker 2: a table. Though that's an accent Otherwise, like cover, conversation

1505
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: just doesn't work. Oh yeah, there it is. There's six

1506
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: men at a table. Perfect.

1507
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: See how comfortable we look. Six men sitting on one side.

1508
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 4: Of the table.

1509
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: We're all laughing at the same joke. So we all

1510
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: were in on the conversation. Okay, our next name then

1511
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: Victor wemen Yama, and Zilla just wrote, if you want

1512
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: to call this a stretch, go right ahead. I saw

1513
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: what I saw. So Zilla is saying, why not, why

1514
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: not have them at least on the long list of

1515
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: MVP candidates, But where are we putting them in our

1516
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: tier ranking?

1517
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: Well, the table is obviously packed, and that's fair.

1518
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not squeezing in there as skinny as he is.

1519
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 2: He's not squeezing.

1520
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. Do we expect the Spurs to be anywhere close

1521
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 4: to a top six team?

1522
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: No.

1523
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 4: If they're a playing team, that's an incredible accomplishment, and

1524
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 4: that's why he'll get more talk. But it's too soon.

1525
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 4: I also saw what you saw. Tom Zillard a very

1526
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 4: very very very very good special player, going to get

1527
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 4: better every single year. If he's probably given me an

1528
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: all the NBA player, So I think he can be

1529
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 4: in the bathroom player. Yeah, but he's probably going to

1530
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 4: be one of the best fifteen players. I'm just a

1531
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 4: math guy right now, so I'm squeezing him into the

1532
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 4: bathroom where that would make him. I guess sixteen if

1533
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 4: if we're doing math, yeah, we've got fifteen and then

1534
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 4: in the top three categories, so we're kind of shoving

1535
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 4: him in. So my math ain't correct. I guess he'd

1536
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 4: have to be bumped in front of Halliburton to be

1537
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 4: the fifteenth guy. But yeah, where are you putting him?

1538
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 2: He says he's winning Defensive Player of the Year. He

1539
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: basically called that shot. Yeah. When he said, Hey, Rudy,

1540
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: rats on your last one. I'll be taking the news

1541
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 2: from here on out. You're right, a big part of

1542
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: the Spurs like team success. I mean, nobody thinks they're

1543
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: going to be a top four team, and we've basically

1544
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: been saying this entire podcast. Unless you're sort of top four,

1545
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 2: you're probably not getting a realistic MVP vote. But he's

1546
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: got a special player, special player, and he sort of

1547
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: shocked us even in his rookie season, and he sort

1548
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: of has the mojoy like you know, you hear him talking,

1549
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: the way he holds himself. He wants to get better

1550
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: and nevit to win some of these but how how

1551
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: soon will you get there? Where are you putting them?

1552
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 3: I think I got him waiting outside because this tier

1553
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: is shaping up to be you might be the best

1554
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 3: player in the league, but it's not every single night,

1555
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: and I think we might be looking at that. For

1556
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 3: Victor Wembanyama, I think he will get his first MVP

1557
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 3: votes this season. But I don't really like having him

1558
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 3: in the bathroom because you can imagine walking into a

1559
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 3: bathroom and seeing Victor webbin Yama. But five would be

1560
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 3: weird if he was at the urinal, But even weirder

1561
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 3: if he was in this the all you would see

1562
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: his ship.

1563
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: He does the hey you got any toilet paper over there,

1564
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 2: but he doesn't reach under it. He just reaches over

1565
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: helps himself.

1566
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so you want him in the uh just outside, yeah,

1567
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: just just what your reservation's coming man? Yeah, not the

1568
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 3: next table.

1569
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. That's a

1570
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: good way to put it. Okay. I don't mind slotting

1571
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: them in there. Yeah, maybe even ahead of the guys. Okay, look,

1572
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: let me give you a trivia question here. Well, first off,

1573
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: by telling you Wilt Chamberlain west Unseld only m v

1574
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 2: P s to win, sorry, only rookies to win m

1575
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: v P. Three other guys one m v P in

1576
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: their second season.

1577
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 3: Can you name them second season?

1578
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: Now, I'll tell you right now. These are all uh,

1579
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: these are all old guys.

1580
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 3: So I'll help you out there the olden days, I

1581
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 3: mean El.

1582
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: Sam Marie some Kareema Bill Jabbar is the most recent

1583
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: one to go. Yeah yeah, yeah, but let me tell

1584
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 2: you Kareem thirty two points per game, sixteen boards per game.

1585
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: In his second season, Milwaukee went sixty six and sixteen

1586
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 2: and they won the title.

1587
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

1588
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: A deserving MVP. They go through the play tournament and

1589
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: then you've got two guys. I mean, honestly, basically at

1590
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: the start of when we started tracking the MVPs, they're

1591
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: get them all. These are legends. Year two of the MVP. Yeah,

1592
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: so he got Pettit in there. Number one guy, Bob Pettitt.

1593
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: He averaged twenty six points per game in sixteen boards

1594
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: per game for a Saint Louis team that went thirty

1595
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: three and thirty nine. Again, this was the start of

1596
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: MVP figuring it out.

1597
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: He did not know what to do.

1598
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: Great numbers from Bob Pettitt in his sophomore season and

1599
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: one more in between those guys soon after Bob Pettitt,

1600
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the greatest centers of all, Bill Russell.

1601
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: Good job, Bill Russell. Seventeen points per game, twenty three

1602
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: rebounds per game. Boston went forty nine and twenty three.

1603
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: They were first in the East. I think they lost

1604
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals to Bob Pettitt and the Hawks.

1605
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: I believe that's what happened that year. But anyway, Kareem,

1606
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 2: Bill Russell, Bob Pettitt sophomore guys to win MVP. So

1607
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: the point of that was Wenby's got a average let's

1608
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: call it twenty five and sixteen or something like that.

1609
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: It'd be pretty good.

1610
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: Obviously, maybe the Spurs shock everybody, and yeah, they're they'd

1611
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 2: have to be a plan at the very least, but

1612
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: probably even the top six. I guess it could happen.

1613
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: You'd leave the League of pocks.

1614
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I highly doubt it. I will get into the

1615
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 4: defensive Player of the Year ballot. That's where the conversation

1616
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: really matters, because he could definitely win it. But it

1617
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 4: all depends on the Spurs supporting cast. Chris Paul, Will

1618
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 4: he help enough? Jeremy so Hanna at a different position

1619
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: will probably help, But I don't know if they have

1620
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: a good enough defense.

1621
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: Okay, honest, Okay, so we got them waiting outside. Yeah okay, yeah,

1622
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 2: like you said, your your table will be called in

1623
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: a couple of years, just to wait, all right, final name,

1624
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 2: it's Zion Williamson that's on Zilla's list. He writes. This

1625
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: might be a real stretch, but on a number of

1626
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 2: the mid tier West teams, their lacks a clear alpha.

1627
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: Not so with the Pelicans. If the team's truly great,

1628
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 2: it'll be because Zion is playing a lot and playing

1629
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: his game. He says, please remember that Zion almost made

1630
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: All NBA in each of the two seasons where he

1631
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: played at least two thousand minutes. You know, had good

1632
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 2: years and then obviously in Trey always sort of bites

1633
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: this guy in the ass. So Zion Williamson, I mean,

1634
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: you know, there's a there's a there's almost like an

1635
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: embid factor with Ion. Yeah, and it's like, can you

1636
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: play enough games? Will you be healthy? But when he plays,

1637
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: he's a monster? How good will the Pelicans be? They're

1638
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: definitely getting overlooked. I think in a crowded West or

1639
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: where you want to start by putting.

1640
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 3: Zion tough one, I think I think this is a

1641
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 3: tough one because Tom makes the perfect case. If the

1642
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: Pelicans are good, it's probably gonna be because of Zion. Ergo,

1643
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: the votes would.

1644
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 4: Come his way.

1645
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 3: But even when he's been at his healthiest, the Pelicans

1646
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: have been a middle of the pack team and Zion

1647
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: hasn't even made All NBA, so that seems like a

1648
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: reasonable outcome as well. I think he's somewhere in between

1649
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 3: the bathroom and waiting outside, just because the talent is

1650
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 3: there at his best. He looks like he's a top

1651
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: five guy, looks completely unstoppable offensively. The takeover he was

1652
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 3: in the midst of in the play in tournament is

1653
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 3: MVP level stuff doing it against the Lakers, but there's

1654
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: obviously the question marks of will he be able to

1655
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: do it for an entire season? And how good are

1656
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 3: the Pelicans even if Zion's healthy. I think they're kind

1657
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 3: of like a four through six seed kind of ceiling

1658
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 3: kind of team, not knowing what they're going to end

1659
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: up doing with Brandon Ingram, So I don't know, somewhere

1660
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 3: between tier three and four for me.

1661
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, the West is truly tough for the Pelicans because

1662
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 4: they go and get to John Timourray, They've got Brandon Ingram,

1663
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 4: They've got Zion, who was a damn good player and

1664
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 4: played seventy games last year. But how good are they

1665
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 4: going to beat? He didn't get any MVP votes last

1666
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 4: year after playing his most games of his career because

1667
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: he didn't really put the team on his back until

1668
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 4: like the play in Tournament Zion, and that was good

1669
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 4: for him because he stayed healthy and then when he

1670
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 4: did he did get injured, which odd Now is he

1671
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 4: in his best shape of his career. After looking at

1672
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: him in these picks of the offseason, I.

1673
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: Think, so I do buy that a little let the

1674
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: off season literally goes Zion Williamson pick Ben Simmons, yep,

1675
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: looking good in the gym. Maybe sure it's off hitting

1676
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: a jumper to James Harden.

1677
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 4: It is I think what matters the most in terms

1678
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 4: of picks is Zion Willimson because he hasn't been in

1679
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 4: the ultimate shape of his you know, prime basketball case

1680
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 4: here until now. It sure feels like I mean, the

1681
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 4: photos make him look super extremely skinny, and he played

1682
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 4: the most games of his career coming up of that.

1683
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 4: So maybe he is rolling into the guy that he

1684
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 4: wanted to be, that David Griffin thought he would be.

1685
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 4: But then how much better is he going to be?

1686
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 4: As I said, you know, he averaged twenty three last

1687
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 4: year decent percentages, didn't get an MVP vote because they're

1688
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 4: sort of middle of the pack. I think, does Jontey

1689
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 4: Murray and Brandon Ingram and Daniel Tice their starting center

1690
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 4: have to take him to another level? Those guys are

1691
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 4: sort of the key here and I'm not sure that

1692
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 4: happens in the Western Conference. So he ain't anywhere close

1693
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 4: to the table right now, waiting outside. I suppose.

1694
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm okay with that. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,

1695
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: you could almost if we really want to get into

1696
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: you can talk me into an uber. But let's put

1697
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: him waiting outside wherever you want to slot him in there. Yeah,

1698
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: probably at the end, because he's entering his sixth NBA season. Now,

1699
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 2: he did miss one entire season because of injury, but

1700
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: his sixth NBA season, let's call it. I mean, no,

1701
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: all NBA selections. He's yet to play still in a

1702
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: playoff game, believe it or not. We are asking for

1703
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: one hell of a jump up into the table or

1704
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: to actually get a realistic MVP vote, they would have

1705
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 2: to shock the world, and he'd of course have to play,

1706
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: which I think, you know, he'll probably be around. It'll

1707
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: be a good year if he plays sixty five ish

1708
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 2: games to seventy games again, But we have so many

1709
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: guys that you have to have ahead of them. I think, okay,

1710
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 2: So he's waiting outside, So let's show you for the

1711
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: final time here the MVP restaurant. Really we are, we're

1712
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: looking at it now. We can move anything around if

1713
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: we want to, But for the podcast listener that a

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01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: tier or s tire. Excuse me, you're at the m

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01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 2: v P table. It's Jokic, s g A, Luca, Jannis

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01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: Embiid and Tatum. We're good with six at the table. Fire,

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 2: conversation will flow, okay.

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01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

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01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 2: Then you have over by the bar again, possibly gonna

1720
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: take a seat at the table. Somebody gets up, they

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: go outside, maybe they got a run early. You got Brunson,

1722
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, Booker, Steph Curry and Donovan Mitchell. We got

1723
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: a whole lot of points waiting by the bar, a

1724
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 2: lot of guards at the bar. Then in the bathroom

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01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: or at least cueued up to go in.

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01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,919
Speaker 2: John Morant, Pela Bancaro, Kevin Durant and Tyre's Haliburton waiting outside.

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01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, hurry it up, guys, we got we got this

1730
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,440
Speaker 2: is waiting outside ya Lebron, James Kawhi Leonard and Zion Williamson.

1731
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: And then in the uber. You know, obviously our our

1732
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: lowest tier, so the least likely chances to actually win MVP.

1733
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 2: We have Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler. We feel okay

1734
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: about this.

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01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 4: It's good.

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 3: Looks pretty good.

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01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay, is there anyone else on Ziller's NBA MVP long

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: list that you would have included in this exercise? Was

1739
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: there a name that you were like a little surprised

1740
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,440
Speaker 2: Zillar didn't again have on a very long list, Tom

1741
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: trying to remember.

1742
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 4: I think Darreon Fox should be there in the conversation,

1743
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 4: Tom Zilla former Seattle man or Seattle Sacramento man.

1744
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, os the bonus?

1745
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 4: I think so? I think if they have a great record,

1746
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 4: who gets the credit? Yeah, it could be tough, sort

1747
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 4: of bounds out. He wasn't all NBA man a couple

1748
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 4: of years ago, two years ago, So yeah, somebody from

1749
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: Sacramento is kind of where I was focused on because

1750
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 4: they they are in this conversation. I do think there

1751
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: is going to be a team that it's extremely hurt

1752
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 4: that won't even make the play in and Sacramento they

1753
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 4: bought into the Darren Fox's the Bonus Deamar DeRozan, Keegan

1754
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 4: Murray lineup. So I think they will be good. We'll

1755
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 4: see how how it all plays out.

1756
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: I think Trey Young is maybe deserving of a spot

1757
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: on a long list.

1758
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: If he was six foot eight.

1759
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: If he was six foot eight, he'd be ordering for

1760
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 2: the entire restaurant. He'd say, drinks on me, baby on

1761
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: the goat. But it'll like, I know the Pacers are

1762
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: a much better team than the Hawks, but let's say

1763
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: in a bizarre world like suddenly the Hawks are good

1764
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: and the Pacers fall off. Well, Trey Young then has

1765
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 2: the Haliburton case. Yeah, he's flirting with or leading the

1766
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 2: league and assists. Obviously, he's scoring a ton. He's the

1767
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 2: clear number one guy, probably hitting the clutch shots. So

1768
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: it's like, again, it's like far fetched, but a lot

1769
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 2: of these guys are like, there's no chance to win this,

1770
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 2: so why don't try? But I know that's we're really

1771
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: holding it against his team success, where everybody's like, you'll

1772
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: be a playing team, don't worry.

1773
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like, how about Jalen Brown. Is he

1774
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: a snub from this? I think he's got two MVP

1775
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 3: trophies from last year. I'm the best team in the league.

1776
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: I think he might be just because we said, well,

1777
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: Tatum will never win this unless Jillan Brown gets injured.

1778
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 2: Well what if Tatum had a bad injury? Yeah, and

1779
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: the Celtics still dominated, and oh my god, my head

1780
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: just exploded with the idea of Joan Brown winning a

1781
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: regular season MVP before Tatum would be crazy, that would

1782
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 2: be really insane. But yeah, I think he's a snub.

1783
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: I think he'd be included.

1784
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: I would.

1785
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul George.

1786
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: There's only two teams that have two guys on it,

1787
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: the Suns and the Lakers. So I'm with you. I'm

1788
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 3: kind of like, who's a second guy that can make it.

1789
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 3: Paul George I think is in the mix or Max

1790
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 3: I guess yeah? And Lillard I think is kind of

1791
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: a mix as well, but for both for all of

1792
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: these guys we're listening, Jalen Brown, Paul George, and Damian Lillard.

1793
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 3: We know who the number one guy, yes, which it

1794
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 3: makes it tough.

1795
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, any other names?

1796
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 4: No, I don't think.

1797
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's wrap this up by showing you the

1798
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: bet MGM MVP odds at least the top guys, and hey,

1799
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 2: look they're all at the table, so that's good. No

1800
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Tatum though not Tatum though, he's much further down the

1801
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: odds list, because choose this photo A great question. Well,

1802
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: you know we're at the table, he's eating. Yes, Yeah,

1803
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: we're showing kis for the podcast looks good. He looks

1804
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: huge in this photo and it looks like somebody's like

1805
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: doing a little airplane with their their spoony. Why big guy?

1806
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, the MVP odds right now, luka Doncic for

1807
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 2: what's got to be like the fifth year in the row.

1808
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: He leaves the preseason MVP odds. He's plus three fifty,

1809
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 2: Yo Kich plus four hundred, Shay plus five twenty five,

1810
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: Embiid plus six fifty, and Yannis plus seven fifty.

1811
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 4: No American born player on that Well, what are we at?

1812
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: Six years running? Is it six seasons running of an

1813
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: international player?

1814
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: Is it? Yep?

1815
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1816
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 3: Three Yo Kitch to Yannis one Embiid. Dang there it is.

1817
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Dang, dang dang. So bet on any of those guys

1818
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: on that list. Yeah, that's the thing. Next on the

1819
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: list it is Anthony Edwards plus about thirteen hundred. Then

1820
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: it goes Brunton when Ben Yama they want to get people, Yeah, okay,

1821
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: why not go ahead and vote on Tatum plus Like, oh,

1822
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: what's that say? It's like twenty five hundred or something.

1823
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: That's too low. I know that's too that's too low.

1824
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: John Moran and Steph Curry and then obviously you can

1825
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: bet on all these guys, but there it is, So

1826
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: who would you place a bet on. I know we'll

1827
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: get to our like actual predictions as we are closer

1828
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: the start of the season, but right now here in

1829
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: mid September, who just tast think has the best chance

1830
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: of winning MVP?

1831
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 4: Well, I'd take somebody with very good arts that doesn't

1832
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 4: really have great a chance.

1833
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 2: To be honest, I'd go Moran just to throw out, Oh,

1834
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: okay plus four thousand, Yeah, sure.

1835
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?

1836
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: All right?

1837
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 4: I guess I think they can be good, that's for sure.

1838
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 2: Who would you put your money on?

1839
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 4: Odds wise?

1840
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 3: In the top five? I like Shay being third and

1841
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 3: assuming that the Thunder will probably have the best record

1842
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference, though I suppose it didn't matter

1843
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 3: last season for him, but circumstances have changed, so I

1844
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: would probably get last. GA There any bowls of raptors

1845
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 3: make the odds there?

1846
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: Well, I know my computer doesn't scroll that much, but

1847
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: I will say Ziller had on his just missed the

1848
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: cut list. You know, he had Fox, he had Sabonis,

1849
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: he had bam ade Bio, he had Kyrie, Trey Young,

1850
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: Scottie Barnes, there's a Raptor, Damian Lillard, James Harden, Lowry,

1851
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 2: markinen Elprin, Shengon, Kate Cunningham, lamellow Ball, and Josh Giddy.

1852
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe that.

1853
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 3: Literally the last name too high.

1854
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 2: I did put Giddy at the end for a podcasts

1855
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: just to don't really drive it home. But yeah, I

1856
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: mean of that list that Ziller had, I did say

1857
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: where's Brown, Paul George and Tyrese Maxie. I'd have those

1858
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: three guys at least on that sort of honorable mention,

1859
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: but maybe someone else we you tell us right now

1860
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: in the stream team and the comments. You can tweet

1861
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: at us and let us know how we did on

1862
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: the ranking. I think we can actually put that NBA

1863
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:13,240
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Speaker 2: with us on Twitter if you want. At no dunk sink,

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Speaker 2: I'll make sure to add that. But thanks for joining

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, and remember I'm giving the quote

1880
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 4: to pro to call in our stream team great questions.

1881
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 4: He asked, what are Giddy's odds for being assist leader?

1882
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 4: That's a good bed actually, and he could leading, says,

1883
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 4: But also because he just said Big Chungus, which is

1884
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 4: the Looney Tunes character Rabbit looks really big because he

1885
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 4: thinks Nicola jokicch in that photo looks like Big.

1886
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 3: Chungus, and I just like to see the name Big chungs.

1887
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: Big Chungus is Big Chungus.

1888
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 4: No, he's not real, but he's a character.

1889
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: You know, he's not real, Huck, it's just a tune.

1890
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 4: He's he's in the game.

1891
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: I do believe, Okay, Yeah,