1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Oh, good time, Steve Tasper. You've been to the US 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: down to down backs dollars for time started, the show 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: started a new week here on One Bill's Life. What 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: a beautiful day it is an Orchard Park. You're gonna 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: look if you're watching the MSG feed, You're gonna look 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: at New Airfield. It's a perfectly gorgeous day. You see 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of rim of snow around the uh 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: what would that be the southern edge of the stadium. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: But man, is it night. It's gonna be sixty degrees 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: here in Orchard Park today, fifty five and Sonny on 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: the way in this morning. It is gorgeous blue skies. 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: How you Ronny. Welcome to the show. What a great 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: way to start the week. I'm John Murphy with Chris Brown, 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Bills Insider from Buffalo bills dot Com and place have 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Steve task Rush's off today. Steve will be back tomorrow. Chris. 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Good to have you with us here today. Haven't been 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking a while. Yeah, been a little bit, but man, 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: I think to work. I don't even have a code 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: on this one. I wore to. This is great, it's 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: great all over. I'll take this. It makes you think 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: that hey, summer, Summer's coming, uh and winter is definitely over. 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: I know there was a little hype storm when we 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: were in the Indie a couple of weeks ago. Bus 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: it's a little over hyped, at least at least in 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: this area. I know the Southern Tier got hit pretty good, 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: but they always did. It was a whole lot of 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: nothing up here, and I know even all the schools 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: even closed that day. One Bill drive clothes that day. 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: We didn't do a show. We did just a radio 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: show Buffalo Suburbs. It was I don't know it was. 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: There wasn't much to say about it. I know the 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Southern Tier did get hit. I think they got over 33 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a foot down there. So okay, fine, but man, we 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: gotta what is it twenty twenty. I mean, you'd like 35 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: to think with I don't mean to bag on meteorologists, 36 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: but I like to think they've got the latest in 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: equipment and technology to kind of call this stuff, and 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: my guesses they overdo it right in an effort of 39 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: extreme caution. It kind of hearkens back to the news 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: radio days, Murph, when when w g R was a 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: news radio station and they used to you know, weather 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: on the tens and all that stuff, and they used 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: to have that line because Western New York with there, 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: it can change in a minute. That's why you need 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: weather on the tents. And I remember doing the weather 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: like every ten minutes. Every time we did the newscast, 47 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: we had weather at the end, you know, drivetime you're 48 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: doing the traffic thing, which is a little overblown. There 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: really isn't traffic. But uh yeah, I mean the weather. 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. I guess it changes that often. 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm not immedirologist. Did you doing weather on the tents? 52 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: But back then, well, no, it's what you had to do, really, 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean it was especially in the wintertime you had 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: to do it. Did you ever think to yourself, we're 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: doing too much weather here? Well, I was thinking to myself, 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: did it really change that much at ten minutes ten 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: minutes later? I mean, I guess if a lake effects 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: no storms on the way and it's advancing across the lake, yeah, 59 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: you may want to know every ten minutes, but on 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: the whole you don't need it. You don't really need 61 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: it every ten minutes. And it's been an easy winter. 62 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to go too far down this 63 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: road because we got in trouble a couple of weeks 64 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: ago for that. But it's been an easy winter here 65 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: in Western New York. And I've used my snowblower once. Amazing, right, 66 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've used my shovels a couple of times. 67 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: If if I have less than two or three inches, 68 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm just shoveling the thing. You know. I'm not bringing 69 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: my snowblower out for that. No, but I've only used 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: it once one time. It's been amazing, and it's great 71 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: to have the winner over really, and I will pronounce 72 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: it over. We're probably gonna get snow in the next 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: month or so. It's only March ninth. We are going 74 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: to get snow in the next three or four weeks, 75 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: but they don't think it'll be anything we can't do 76 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: with What is that March twenty second? What is that 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: the first day of spring? Yeah? Yeah, so it's right, 78 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's right there, man. Yeah, it's perfect day today, 79 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: sixty degrees and sunny. All right, Bills News today, and 80 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: we're here with Chris for three hours. Got a good 81 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: show and we have news to start with a week 82 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: with at least a report of news. The Bills in 83 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: quarterback Josh Norman have agreed to a one year deal 84 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: with worth six million dollars. Incentives can reach eight million dollars. 85 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: It reunites Josh Norman with head coach On McDermott, who 86 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: was his defensive coordinator from twenty and twelve through two fifteen. 87 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: NFL Networkforce reported the deal. No confirmation yet for the 88 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, but Josh Norman, who's been free for a 89 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, released by the Washington Redskins a couple 90 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, the Bills talk to him. Brandon Being 91 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: confirmed at the combine that he spoke with Josh Norman 92 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and looks like he'll compete Josh Norman will for a 93 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: cornerback spot on the Bills. Here's the interesting thing to me. 94 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: It's a one year deal, Chris, And as soon as 95 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: I heard that, I thought, Man, this team, this Bills 96 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: team is really good at one year deals. They did 97 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: it with several players, Jordan Phillips most notably this year 98 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: and signed him to a one year deal and then 99 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: signed him to another one year deal and now he's 100 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: a free agent. But several offensive lineman last year one 101 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: year to Tale Spain Yeah. I think they do a 102 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: great job. I think it's a new and novel approach 103 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: to a free agency that many teams have not caught 104 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: up with yet. I think the Bills and one year 105 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: get to play pay Josh Norman a good salary, but 106 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: they're not locked in, and they wait and see if 107 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: he can play. Right. Josh Norman is what thirty two 108 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: years years old? Yeah, thirty two years old, coming off 109 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: a year where he didn't play much with Washington, so 110 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: they get a good long look at him. He has 111 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: and senator to play well at age thirty two, and 112 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: knows that will be on the open market again next year. 113 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: I think the Bills are the kings of the one 114 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: year deal and they think it's a really good thing. Well, 115 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: they've they've certainly made it a trend in their offseason operations. 116 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you can go all the way back to 117 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen when they signed people to one year deals, 118 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, and even in twenty eighteen, Philip Gains was 119 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: a cornerback they signed to a one year deal. They 120 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: didn't finish the season here, and that was an example 121 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: of here's a guy we think can help us, and 122 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: he's not helping us the way we think he can, 123 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: let's move on from him, and it's no skin off 124 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: your nose and part and I think a lot of 125 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: people thought, well, part of these one year deals is 126 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: because they're tight against the cap, they really can't commit 127 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: and are as we're moving into. As we moved into 128 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season and saw more one year deals, 129 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: whether it was Jordan Phillips who they resigned on a 130 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: one year deal because his market didn't bear what he 131 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: thought it might, or Quentin Spain on a one year 132 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: deal to help the offensive line, or Kevin Johnson on 133 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: a one year deal to be that veteran corner to 134 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: kind of bolster the secondary, it became readily apparent, No, 135 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: this isn't just because of salary cap restrictions. This is 136 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: a team with over one hundred million, ninety million dollars 137 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: to spending free agency in twenty nineteen and they're still 138 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: signing players to one year deals. It's so you don't 139 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: get caught up in a bad contract. And this is 140 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: a team that for years, just to get talent here 141 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: had to overcommit in terms of contracts that they would 142 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: give players. You can go, whether you're going all the 143 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: way back to the days of Derek Dockery and Langston Walker, 144 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: where you had to overpay no offense to those guys, 145 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: but slightly above average players. You had to overpay them 146 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: grossly just to get them here. And then those commitments 147 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: came back to bite you when those players were already 148 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: out the door, no longer on the roster, and you're 149 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: still on the hook for dead money. And then we 150 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: saw it even after that with players like Marcel Darius 151 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: who got the big giant contract, second contract and didn't 152 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: live up to it. And then that was a bitter 153 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: pill that the current regime had to swallow to get that. 154 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: You know, they had to bite the bullet on that 155 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: in eighteen. It was one of the main reasons why 156 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: they were so strapped on the cap. And I think 157 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: they want to stay and we've heard Brandon being say this, Murph. 158 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: They want to say, stay as cap strong as possible 159 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: for as long as possible, and I think these one 160 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: year contracts are an element of that approach. It's a 161 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: great deal to sign him for one year. What do 162 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: we know about Josh Norman, not as a player but 163 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: as a teammate, I guess as a fit in this 164 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: Buffalo locker room. Look, he has been notable for making 165 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: noise about himself, very noisy, and some of the matchups 166 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: he's had, particularly with Odell Beckham Junior, I think in 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: his first year term with Washington turned into a punching 168 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: match down the field, four years in Watchington, five years 169 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: before that with Carolina. I don't know that he's a 170 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: bad guy though, Chris, and it remains to be seen 171 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: what sort of a teammate he is here in Buffalo. 172 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: But I'm sure the Bills they have knowledge of him, 173 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: with both McDermot and brand coming from Carolina, and I'm 174 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: sure they've done more recent homework because it's been a 175 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: while since they've had Josh Norman valid and true. And 176 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I was talking to a couple of my Washington sources 177 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: this morning and the indication that I got, because the 178 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: main question I wanted to ask was, you know, the 179 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: Bills aren't signing Josh Norman at age thirty two unless 180 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: they believe his skills as a player can be maximized 181 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: in this system. And let's be honest, playing in this 182 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: system is what made him a franchise tagged player in Carolina. 183 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: Ultimately that tag was rescinded, but a franchise tagged player 184 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: in Carolina who then went on to make fifteen million 185 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: dollars a year in Washington. Now, you can argue how 186 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: well or how poorly his career went in Washington after 187 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: he got there, But talking to some people that I 188 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: know in Washington, there were some other things at play there. 189 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: Number One, under Jay Gruden, as it was explained to me, 190 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: the team culture was horrendous, no accountability. There was an 191 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: inherent lack of trust in upper management, be at Bruce 192 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Allen who's no longer there, or the coaching staff, and 193 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: there was a trickle down effect from that, from what 194 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I've been told, And so I think that I'm not 195 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: gonna say that Josh Norman is blameless. He was on 196 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: that roster and it was a roster that underachieved to 197 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: a great degree. But I think at the same time, 198 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Josh Norman was certainly a victim of circumstance in terms 199 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: of where he was and getting out of there really 200 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen because of his exorbitant camp figures. So, 201 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, victim of circumstance perhaps, But I also think, 202 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: and I talked to another person that I know down there, 203 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and they said that because I asked them. You know, 204 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: the Bills. It's largely a zone scheme here, and players 205 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: who may not be that great impressed man can be 206 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: very successful in a scheme like this here. Levi Wallace 207 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: is a very good example of that. So now you say, okay, 208 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: is Josh Norman fit into that bucket also? And I 209 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: think he does. And in Washington they were playing almost 210 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: fifty fifty man zone more zone to a certain degree, 211 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: maybe fifty five to sixty percent, but then a good 212 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: deal of man. And the words from the person I 213 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: spoke to was they played enough man to get Josh 214 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: Norman beat. And so I think, coming here knowing that 215 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: to a great degree, this is a zone scheme that 216 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: they believe that the talents that made Josh Norman so 217 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: good in Carolina can be duplicated here again in Buffalo. 218 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: He had the last six games for Washington last year. 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: He played in just two games total of ten snaps, 220 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: so he was essentially benched. Right at the end of 221 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: last year for Washington. He had two special team snaps 222 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: in one game and that was it. He has had, 223 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: you know, Runnings, des Bryant and Odell Beckham junior. He's 224 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: also done good things. Made a trip to San Antonio 225 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty eighteen to deliver goods to 226 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: migrant families who had been held in detention at the border. 227 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Ran with the Bulls in Pamplona, Spain a couple of 228 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: years ago. A total in his career fourteen interceptions, seventy 229 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: nine pass the defense, twelve force fumbles, a sack, and 230 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: four hundred sixteen tackles in eight NFL seasons. You know, 231 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: is the peak of his career had to be. You'd 232 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: have to consider it. That was Washington's Super Bowl year right, 233 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: four interceptions returned two for touchdowns. A year they went 234 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: to the talking about Carolina and also along those lines, 235 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Carolina's new coach would know him well too. When you 236 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: wonder about that too, when Ron Rivera kind of letting 237 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: him go, I mean, it was the money thing. They 238 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: saved twelve and a half million on the cap to 239 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: cut him. But you'd have to think that Ron Rivera 240 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: would know what he's looking at when he looks at Jess. 241 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the main rub though 242 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: it's twofold number one, it's saving twelve million on the cap. 243 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: That's huge for a team that's gonna have to retool 244 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: and get more of Ron Rivera type players. Not to 245 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: say that Josh Norman isn't, but that Savings speaks loudly, 246 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: And when you consider the fact that this year's draft 247 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: class is deep at the back position, I think it 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: made made for a very easy decision for them. Whether 249 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: there was a prior working relationship between Rivera and Norman 250 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: or not, there was in this case, and that makes 251 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: people wonder, well, why would this guy get rid of him? 252 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: He had him as a head coach. So I think 253 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: you can argue that, But I'm confident in the fact 254 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: that we know in the three years that you know, 255 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: this current regime here in Buffalo has been together. They 256 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: cross every tea and dot every eye. They do everything 257 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: in an exhaustingly methodical fashion, so they're not caught by surprise. 258 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: And so I knowing that they have had spoken to him, 259 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: had met with him prior to him agreeing to terms, 260 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: leads me to believe that they checked off every box 261 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: they felt they needed to have the confidence that they 262 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: can get out of Josh Norman what they believe they 263 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: will need from him in twenty twenty. I agree with that, 264 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: and I know that to be true. I think that 265 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: is true. But look, I wouldn't be shocked if Josh 266 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Norman had trouble thanking this roster at age thirty two. Right, Yeah, Well, 267 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: we'll have to see how the rest of the roster 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: shakes out. And I don't think they're done at corner. Well, 269 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about what's left at corner right now. Tradevious 270 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: White obviously coming back. You think he's in line for 271 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: a contract. Leviy Wallace, last year's starter, will be coming back. 272 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, He's an exclusive rights free agent, but it 273 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: fully expected to be tendered and resigned. Kevin Johnson listed 274 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: as a corner now he is a UFA stricted. Yeah. 275 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: The other corners, Terren Johnson, Sir and Neil both of 276 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: them more nickel corners. And as Chris said, I own 277 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: anticipate they're going to draft at least one corner and 278 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: maybe signed another one. So I think the point is 279 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: Josh Norman is going to have to compete right from 280 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: the start for playing time and maybe even to make 281 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: this Buffalo roster. Chris, Well, yeah, and we saw that 282 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: each of the last two years at that very position. 283 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: Whether you want to talk about last offseason when they 284 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: signed Kevin Johnson and DJ Gaines to one year deals 285 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: and Kevin Johnson ended up sticking on the roster. EJ. 286 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: Gaines did not. He did not get to the he 287 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: did not get to September. He was off the roster 288 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: by then, So it's not unheard of. And you know, 289 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the year prior twenty eighteen, Philip Gaines makes the fifty 290 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: three man roster, but by the middle of October he's 291 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: off the roster. And when you have guys signed to 292 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: these one year deals, you have that kind of flexibility 293 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: if it's not working and somebody and let's go back 294 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: to twenty eighteen. Okay, let's go back to twenty eighteen. 295 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Philip Gaines is struggling on the field in games and 296 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: someone else is emerging, Levi Wallace, the undrafted rookie, and 297 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they say, we're better with Levi 298 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Wallace on the field than we are with Philip Gaines. 299 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: And they made that change quickly and succinctly, because he 300 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: was off the roster in a week and a half 301 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,359 Speaker 1: from that change being made. So these one year contracts 302 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: afford the coaching staff and management the flexibility to move 303 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: people on and off the roster without many cap implications. 304 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, it is smart, and you know they've done 305 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: it in different ways too. They either, in the case 306 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: of Kevin Johnson last year, Murph a guy that's trying 307 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: to reclaim his status in the NFL, he needs a 308 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: one year prove a deal. So what he needs matches 309 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: up with what the Bills are looking for. They signed 310 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: him to a one year deal. He helped them last year. 311 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean, by the end of the season he was 312 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: platooning with Levi Wallace at the right cornerback position. So 313 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: you look at that and you say, Okay, there's good 314 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: flexibility in these one year contracts, and it's no skin 315 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: off the players notes because in most cases they've got 316 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: something to prove. And here's Josh Norman in a similar situation. 317 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: He's a guy that had been making big money, probably 318 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: money that didn't justify what he was giving Washington on 319 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: the field anymore, to the point where he wasn't even playing. 320 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: And now here's a guy that's trying to reclaim his 321 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: status to maybe get one more good contract in the 322 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: league at age thirty two. Now he's got a respectable 323 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: contract from the Bills this year. But if he plays 324 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: well in a scheme in which he already is very familiar, 325 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: he can maximize his dollar value and maybe he goes 326 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: somewhere else in twenty twenty one and maybe he gets 327 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: a two year deal for eight nine million a year. 328 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: You don't know, but that's the incentive for the player. 329 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: And that's why these one year deals have worked for 330 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: both sides quite frankly, in a lot of cases. I think, 331 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: as I said right at the top, I think the 332 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: one year thing and the Bills have done as successfully 333 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: now is their stamp on the free agent market. That's 334 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: what they've done in the past. That's what they're doing here. 335 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: There's this too. He's a former Carolina Panther, and everybody 336 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: wants to tie Josh Norman to the former Carolina Panthers 337 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: and Bills have had. Yes, they've signed a lot of 338 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, Josh Norman, Starlotulalay, Calvin, Benjamin, Mike Tilber, Joe Webb, 339 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: Derek Anderson, Captain Munarlin, Kaylin Clay, there have been others. 340 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: This one's a little bit different because Norman had four 341 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: years in Washington when he left Carolina. So look, they 342 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: go with guys who are familiar with They're certainly familiar 343 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: with Josh Norman. But I don't think it's is if 344 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: they have a thing for former Carolina players. Do you 345 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: what do you think, Rich Well, I think there's a 346 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: familiarity there that aids in kind of these signed these 347 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: kinds of signings coming to fruition. I mean wherever he played. 348 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. You know, let you could 349 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: you could he here's the argument to take it a 350 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: step further, to say that it's familiarity. It's not just Carolina. Okay, 351 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: John Feliciano, Okay, signed as a free agent last year. 352 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: Let's playing in Oakland his whole career. But who knew 353 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: who knew him? Bobby Johnson, the offensive line coach, was 354 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: the tight ends coach in Oakland for the first two 355 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: or three years of Feliciano's career. Tight ends coach, old 356 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: line coaches. They spend a lot of time together, a 357 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: lot of practice time together. He knew John Feliciano. He 358 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: knew who he was as a player, the type of 359 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: attitude he had, the type of leadership, toughness, the whole nine. 360 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: So it's the familiarity in the end that prompts the 361 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: Bills to say, we know this guy inside and out. 362 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: We know what we're going to get from him in 363 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: week one on a Thursday, and Week seventeen on a 364 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday or a Wednesday. So this is why we feel 365 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: comfortable signing this guy. Now. I think it goes a 366 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: step further because what was built culture wise in Carolina 367 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: is very similar to what Sean McDermott has built here, 368 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: and so not having to reteach all of that or 369 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: have your veterans kind of lean on a younger guy 370 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: that has to be schooled up. You've got enough of 371 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: those people coming in the door from the draft. You 372 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: don't need to add another one on the pile. So 373 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: if you have somebody that knows how the culture operates, 374 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: what the daily expectations are, you're that much further ahead 375 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: as an entire football team. And I think that's also 376 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: an appealing thing. We're talking about the the report that 377 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: the Bills are great to terms with free agent cornerback 378 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Josh Norman. As soon as he signs, we anticipate the 379 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Bills will make an official I'm gonna talk with us 380 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: signing with Clinton Portis, former Washington running back now Washington 381 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: radio analysts on the Redskins Radio Network. Clinton Portis will 382 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: get give us his thoughts on Josh Norman and his 383 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: four year stint in Washington. He's coming up at two 384 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: o'clock today and at one o'clock going to talk about 385 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady a little bit. Philip Perry, NBC Sports Boston 386 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: Patriots reporter, host of Monday Night Patriots and NBC Sports 387 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: Boston co host of the Patriots Talk podcast. Philip Perry 388 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: joins us at one to give us an update if 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: there is one to be had on Tom Brady. But 390 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: Josh Norman agrees to terms with the bills. That's what 391 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: we're going to talk with you about today. We've got 392 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: phone lines open, got an interesting Twitter poll. So I 393 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: think by any measure, this is step one of the 394 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: bills in free agency, right, Yeah, the free agent market 395 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: begins really next Monday with legal tampering Monday Tuesday, and 396 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: then Wednesday, I think it's four o'clock Wednesday or four o'clock. Yeah, 397 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: they can actually go out and sign players. So Bill's 398 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: jumping a little bit by signing a guy who was 399 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: a total street free agent, not an unrestricted free agent 400 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: Josh Norman. First move of the offseason for the Bills 401 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: was signing or a green to terms with Josh Norman. 402 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: Our Twitter poll, what's the next move for the Buffalo 403 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Bills now this offseason? What do you think? Give us 404 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: a call? We got full nines wide open eight O 405 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: three oh five fifty toll free from outside Buffalo one 406 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. You can 407 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: vote in the Twitter pole. You can send in a 408 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: something for the tweet sheet. Josh Norman agrees to terms 409 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: with the Bills. What's the next new move for the Bills? 410 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: Right now? On the Twitter pole? Two or fifty votes 411 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: in and sixty two percent of you say, resign one 412 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: of their own. I agree with you that that is 413 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: something that can be done in the next week or so, 414 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: resign one of their own. Twenty five percent say wait 415 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: until the market opens next Monday. They can wait until 416 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: the market opens and go out and get somebody. And 417 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: thirteen percent say they're gonna get somebody else, another street 418 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: free agent before free agency opens up next week. Thirteen 419 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: percent of you say that, give us a call to 420 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: discuss eight O three oh five fifty toll free from 421 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. 422 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: You can answer our question. You can let us know 423 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: what you think about Josh Norman, the Josh Norman signing 424 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. At those phone numbers, they do 425 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: have guys of their own resigned, one of their own. 426 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Two thirds of our respondents say, that's selected to happen, 427 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: and you know we'll go down the list. So Noris 428 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Perry is out there. A Bill's player who will be 429 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent, Quentin Spain, Adrian Waddle. Offensive lineman 430 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: who could be signed, Jordan Phillips, Shack Lawson. A couple 431 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: of defensive lineman who are the Bills have said essentially 432 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: about both of them, they'll let them test the market. 433 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: A linebacker, special teamers La Maurice Alexander, Julian Stanford, the 434 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: aforementioned quarterback, Kevin Johns. Cornerback Kevin Johnson, safety's Kurt Coleman, 435 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Dean Marlowe. So one of those guys, Chris, that you 436 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: think would be signed between now and next Monday or Wednesday, 437 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah? I mean hard to say. 438 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: It's looking more and more like Shack Lawson may fall 439 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: into the same category as Jordan Phillips where he tests 440 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: the market. You know, he had probably his best season, 441 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL this past year, and maybe 442 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: he's curious what might be out there. Brandon being kind 443 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: of hinted at that that he might fall into the 444 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: same category as Phillips. So I don't know if something 445 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: like that could get done in the eleventh hour. Perhaps, 446 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: Which is not to say that once Lawson or say 447 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: Phillips hits the open market, that the Bills won't resign them, right, 448 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: they might not like the members they're seen. In particular, 449 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips might be disappointed by the numbers he gets 450 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: from other teams and say, shoot, I'm just gonna sign 451 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: with Buffalo. Right, that certainly could happen. I think that 452 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: could happen with Kevin Johnson. You know, we could get 453 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: to March eighteenth and nothing is happening. And here's the thing. 454 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of these free agents 455 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: that go in with the expectation of I'm going to 456 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: be part of the first wave of free agency, you know, 457 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: and then the first wave of free agency happens first, 458 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: and they're not and they're not part of it, and 459 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, jeez, well, I really like playing in 460 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: Buffalo and I had a pretty good season. Let me 461 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: see what they want to offer and so. And that's 462 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: when you know the leverage swings back to the football 463 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: team and the Bills when the market softens a little bit, 464 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: can get better value because you've got a player who 465 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: suddenly wants to come back because the money he thought 466 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: that might be out there is not for whatever reason. 467 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: And then he's left with limited options and he says, well, 468 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: things went well in Buffalo. It's a playoff team. I 469 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: want to come back to Buffalo. What you know, what 470 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: can you do? And then you know, the Bills work 471 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: with them from there, and you know we're talking about 472 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: these one year deals. Jordan Phillips was an example of that. 473 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: I mean one year, four million dollars last year, and 474 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: to his credit and Brandon Bean's given him credit, he 475 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: made the most of that. He maximized that one year deal. 476 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that it will be paid 477 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: in free agency because he's the rare player at three 478 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds who can rush the passer from 479 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: the inside, which is becoming a more and more coveted 480 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: ability in a defensive tackle, not just to be a plugger. 481 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: And he can play either in a four to three, 482 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, the three technique or the one and be 483 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: effective in both places. And so I think he's a 484 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: guy that is going to get paid in the free 485 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: agent market. I'm not sure that Shack is because he's 486 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: more of a power rusher than he is a pure 487 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: speed rusher. And I think the people that get paid 488 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: on the open market, more often than not at the 489 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: defensive end position are the guys that can bend the 490 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: edge and get to the corner, get to the quarterback 491 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: with speed, and Shack has never been That's That's not 492 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: Shack's fault. He's just got a different skill set. I 493 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: just don't know if his skill set is going to 494 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: be what gets him paid, perhaps the money he's looking for. 495 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: Can I say this all Shack though, and I made 496 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: it's just a slight disagreement. First of all, Jordan Phillips 497 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: Shack Lawson are playing two different positions, right, we got 498 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that. So the money is likely to be different, yes, 499 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: But number two, as a former first round pick, I 500 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: think Shack Lawson has an athletic background that maybe Jordan 501 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: Phillips doesn't have and has, you know, a cachet about him, 502 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: a buzz about him. Still people will say, oh, he's 503 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: a former first round pick, we can get him for 504 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: X amount of money. And I get you. He's not 505 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: a guy who you know, bends the edge and and 506 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: and puts constant pressure on quarterbacks. But he's a pretty 507 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: capable pass rusher. He's not an amazing pass rusher, but 508 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: pretty capable. I think I wouldn't undersell Sack on the 509 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: free agent market. Shack on the free agent market. In fact, 510 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: if I were his agent, those are the things I 511 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: would focus on. Look, former first round pick looking for 512 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: another job beside hustle here. Look, he's a former first 513 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: round pick. He's very athletic, plays tough against the run 514 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: and the pass. He had a really good year in 515 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo last year. Um, he's your guy. I mean you 516 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: could you could make that argument. And again we're talking 517 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: about a little bit apples and oranges, because Lawson and 518 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: Phillips lead different positions. I would just say I wouldn't 519 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: undersell Shack. Lawson's ability to get a big offer from somebody. 520 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: This officer, Yeah, I just don't think he's gonna be 521 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: that eighteen. He's twenty million dollars year player. I think 522 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: he'd be pretty happy if he could get eight or nine. Yeah, 523 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: I think he's looking for double digits, and I don't 524 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: know if he's gonna get there. Um. I think he's 525 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: probably looking for ten to twelve, and I don't know 526 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: if that happens. I guess it's certainly could. I think 527 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: a lot of it could be predicated on whether or 528 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: not players like in Gockway get traded prior to the 529 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: opening of the market. And you would think if the 530 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars were smart, they would try to execute that before 531 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: there's a flood of other defensive ends in the marketplace 532 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: and get you know, acceptable compensation for him. You're not 533 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: gonna hit a home run because the player has already 534 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: said he doesn't want to be there, So you're not 535 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: getting top compensation for in Gockway, despite the kind of 536 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: player that he is in terms of production. So if 537 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: you're a team like Jacksonville, you better get that done 538 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: before the market opens, because then there's a whole other 539 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: host of options without having to pay anything more than money. 540 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: So I think how those things unfold. You know, Clowney 541 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: is going to be a big money guy in Gockway. 542 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: If he gets traded, that could knock down a couple 543 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: of dominoes or a couple of options for somebody like 544 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: Shack Lawson. And then I don't know if there are 545 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: enough other teams that want to pay top top dollar, 546 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: let alone get into a bidding war for someone like him. 547 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: I think it was you and I last week. You're 548 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: on the show a little bit, and we both have 549 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: the same feeling about the edge rush guy Robert Quinn, 550 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: who I think could be a very interesting fact. Yeah, 551 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean he's a little bit older, but don't get 552 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: me wrong, I'd like to have Shack back on the roster. 553 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: I just think he's a fun player. He's an energy 554 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: player that this defense needs. But again, you know you 555 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: you need to come to the terms that work for 556 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: both sides, as we all know. But a secondary option 557 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: if Shack is not in the cards for the Bills 558 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty is a player like Robert Quinn who 559 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: should be able to be had at an affordable price. 560 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: Long player six five six six, long limbed, can get 561 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: around the edge, pretty decent run defender, maybe not quite 562 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: as good as Shack against the run, who Shack, who 563 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: has always been good against the run. I'll give him that, 564 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: but I think a guy that can be had at 565 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: a reasonable price at defensive end, knowing how budget conscious 566 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: the Bills are when they dip their tone free agents 567 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: on the list of Bills last year's Bills who hit 568 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: the free agent market, and I read him A moment ago, 569 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: we talked about Lotson and Phillips. I think we touched 570 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: on Kevin Johnson. Is there any name on that list 571 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: of last year's players on the Bills who are now 572 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: free agents? Who do you think would be a top 573 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: priority it? Would it be, in fact, Quentin'spain. Yeah, it's 574 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: probably Spain. I just wonder if they want to get 575 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: more athletic at the position. That's my only query about 576 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: the whole scenario. I think Spain had a good season 577 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: last year for the kind of player that he is. 578 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: I keep coming back to the team's struggle to run screenplays, 579 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: and it was because some guys just could not get out. 580 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: Mitch Morris really good pull mobile player, can execute screens. 581 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: Feliciano okay in that area, Quinn Spain okay, And I 582 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they feel, look, we need somebody that can 583 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: really get out and move. Total remake of the offensive 584 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: line last year four out of five new starters. Well, 585 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that. You know, it doesn't have to 586 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: be that extreme because you still have more in the pivot. 587 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: You've got docents at left tackle. You'll have two new 588 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: guards if you if you don't bring back Spain and 589 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: at least one, well, no, you'll have you'll have one 590 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: new guard because you'll have Feliciano still at right guard. Um, 591 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: so you got and and you know if and Insecki 592 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: is back, you'll probably be competing or platooning with somebody 593 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: at right tackle, whether it's Ford or somebody else. So 594 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be to the degree 595 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: eighty percent new offensive line last year and it took 596 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: more than half a season before they really gain traction 597 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: in consistency. No, I don't think they do. But yeah, 598 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be to that extent. I think 599 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about at most a forty percent change up 600 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: front with two positions. So you know, in the end, 601 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: if you feel in a month's time going into the 602 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: season you can be better as an offensive line, more 603 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: versatile in what you can call playwise, then I think 604 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: they would take that step. I really do, so, yeah, 605 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. I think if they wanted Quentin Spain 606 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: back that badly, they would they would have made an 607 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: attractive offer to him, one that he felt, you know what, 608 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: this is close enough to what I might be able 609 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: to get on the open market. Let me just stay 610 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: put at a good time with these guys. We jelled 611 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: and that. So I don't know where it is. I'm 612 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: not going to pretend to know where it is between 613 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: the two sides. And who knows. Spain might say, hey, 614 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I can get more on the open market. I'm gonna 615 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: go do that. He told me at the end of 616 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: the season he'd like to be back if he could, 617 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: But it might be heading in a different direction based 618 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: on how nothing has happened to this point. Anybody else 619 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: on the list there understricted or even you know, exclusive 620 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: rights that they're gonna bring all. I'm not in terms 621 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: of a tip top priority from the ones that we've mentioned. 622 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: So fortunately for the Bills, it's a much shorter list 623 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: than it was a year ago. And I know Frank 624 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: Gore said he still wants to play, but I just 625 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: don't see him on this roster next year. We're talking 626 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot today about Josh Norman agreeing to terms reportedly 627 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills, an issue first reported by Mike 628 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Garafolo of NFL Network, who says he spoke with several 629 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: teams following his release, quietly visited Buffalo. Decided on a 630 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: one year deal because of his familiarity with the defensive 631 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: system and the talent around him, including Tradevious White on 632 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: the other side of the field. Our producer Jay Harris 633 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: talked with Mike Garafolo today, couldn't not get him on 634 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the show today, but Karafodo said there's more to come 635 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills, and that's all he would say. 636 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: Kind of drop that out there. What do we call 637 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: that a G bomb? Pretty good? That got our attention. Hey, 638 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break, give us a call. We've 639 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: got phone lines open, Josh Norman. It is that looks 640 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: like it is the first step towards the Bills free 641 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: agency planned this year. Josh Norman green to terms with 642 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. What's the next move for the Bills 643 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: this season? Let's hear for him. You give us a 644 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: call eight O three oh five fifty outside Buffalo Toll 645 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. 646 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: Sending a tweet, We'll read it on the tweet sheet 647 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: boat in the Twitter poll or give us a call. 648 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your voice on the air. It's 649 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: one Bills Live. Chris Brown is in for Steep Tasker 650 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: one Bills Live from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. 651 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills reading One Goes Live, presented by 652 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Kalida Health John Murphy in our studio in Orchard Park 653 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: with Chris Brown Bills inside of Buffalo bills dot Com. 654 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: He's in for Steep Tasker. Steve will be back tomorrow 655 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: talking about the reports that Josh Norman has agreed to 656 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: terms on a contract with the Bills. It would be 657 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo's first real move of the free agent period, first 658 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: real move of the offseason. What do you think of that? 659 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: And what do you think of the next move should be? 660 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: That's our Twitter poll. Give us a call eight three 661 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: five fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty 662 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: two five fifty. Should they resign one of their own? 663 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: Should they wait until the market opened to get busy 664 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: on other teams free agents? Should they sign somebody else? 665 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: A Street free agent like Josh Norman before the market 666 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: opens next week. Let's hear from you, Chris. One report 667 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: out there today that a rumor Aaron Wilson of the 668 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle says the Bills might be interested in Texans 669 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: defensive tackle DJ Reader, but he can make big money. 670 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: I don't know would they be interested in that guy. 671 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: He's a decent player. They did lockdown Starlotula lay and 672 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: redo his contract, right they redid his contract. You've got 673 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: a promising young player who grant it's coming off an ACL. 674 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: But all signs are pointing to Harrison Phillips being ready 675 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: to go by the start of training camp like full go. 676 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: We had a story with an update on his situation 677 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: on Buffalo bills dot Com not too long ago. And 678 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: you know you have at Oliver who was your first 679 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: round draft choice. So I don't see them making a 680 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: giant investment at the defensive tackle position, which is probably 681 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: a big reason why Jordan Phillips is going to the 682 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: market to see if he can get paid there, because 683 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: the Bills don't want to pay that kind of money 684 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle right now. They have three pretty 685 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: good ones. They'll probably add a fourth, whether it's a 686 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: budgetary signing or a draft choice, I don't see it 687 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: going beyond that. So I'd be surprised because from all indications, 688 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,479 Speaker 1: the money that people are talking about for DJ Reader, 689 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: who is a very accomplished run defender but probably doesn't 690 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: offer the pass rush that someone like Jordan Phillips does, 691 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: they're still talking about upwards of ten million dollars a 692 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: year for a player like that, and I just don't 693 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: see them spending that kind of money on a player 694 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: like Reader. They'd probably spend that be more apt to 695 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: spend that kind of money on Phillips, and right now 696 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: they're not willing to do that, So that to me 697 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: says Reader's probably a no go here. Yeah. I was 698 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: reading the Aaron Wilson Report Houston Chronicle report on why 699 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: the Bills might be interested in DJ Reader, and they 700 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: talk about how the Bills lose Lorenzo Alexander, who did 701 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: play a little deep defensive tackle and certain packages for 702 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: the Bills defense, but he didn't play much. I don't 703 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: know if that necessarily is something they're looking to replace, 704 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: is it? You know, the Lorenzo Alexander roll, and he 705 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: was well and he was an interior down lineman on 706 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: a certain thirty package, not necessarily in the form of 707 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: one player. When when Brandon being a Shawn McDermott have 708 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: been asked more than once this offseason, how do you 709 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: replace that guy? He said, Sean McDermott said, we may 710 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: have to do it with more than one person. Yeah, 711 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: replace that guy meaning Lorenzo, not that Gunzo, right, Somebody 712 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: that can, you know, play the strong side linebacker position, 713 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: but also come down inside and passing downs and give 714 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: you a rush presence from the inside, whether he's looping 715 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: back out or stunting with an end or lining up 716 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: outside and doing that. Um that is not easy to find. Now. 717 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: Are there examples of that kind of player in the draft? Yeah, 718 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: except one of them is going in the top five 719 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,959 Speaker 1: in the form of Isaiah Simmons. So there are pass 720 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: rushers in this draft. I just know the general consensus 721 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: is that the drop off is pretty sudden once you 722 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: get two thirds of the way down in the first round, 723 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: and you know after that there are players that can 724 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: help you. But I'm not convinced, based on what I've 725 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: heard from scouts and people that know how to evaluate 726 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: NFL talent, that you're going to have a three down 727 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get you ten sacks a year. I 728 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: just I don't think there are many of those in 729 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: this year's class, and so because of that, you may 730 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: have to take the budgetary route and find somebody who's 731 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: affordable that can be a stop gap type player for 732 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty. All right, what do you think 733 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: the next move for the Bills after the agreement with 734 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: Josh Starman? What do you think it'll be? Eight three 735 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two 736 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: five fifty. Let's take a look at what you're tweeting in. 737 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: Let's go to the tweet sheet brought to you by 738 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills. 739 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: What's the next move for the Bills following the Norman 740 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: signing from Jack says, got to get one of their 741 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: own resign not sure they want back and under the 742 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: radar idea would be Corey Legit for depth of defensive tackle. 743 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: I'd even be happy of the announce if they announced 744 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: an extension for Milano, Trey or Poyer prior to the 745 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: UFA starting. Yeah, on the second part of that, an 746 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: extension for Milano, Tray or Poyer. We talked to Brandon 747 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: being about those kind of signings at the Combine two 748 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he kind of in his mind anyway, 749 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: I got the sense that he waits. He waits until 750 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: he gets through this free agency period the next couple 751 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: of weeks, then he gets through the draft, and then 752 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: maybe later maybe into mayor June, he starts to get 753 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: to work on Milano, Trey, Tredevius Whiter, Poyer, And last 754 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: week when he was on WGR middle of the week 755 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: last week, he also said, look, I've found that these 756 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: deals get done when the time is right. Now, he 757 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: wasn't going to say when the time was right. He 758 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: said he would not be opposed to getting something done 759 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: at this period in time because I think he's already 760 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: budgeted for some of that already, so that money is 761 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: already somewhere in their offseason plans and allocated as such. 762 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: And I would tend to think that Tredavious White would 763 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: be first in line over Milano, over Dawkins, unless they 764 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: feel in the negotiation would be easier with one of 765 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: those two, knowing they don't play at a position that's 766 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: quite as high priced as cornerback is so not that 767 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: offensive tackles far behind, but linebacker is certainly a position 768 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: of lesser annual pay value. So maybe a negotiation with 769 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: somebody like Milano goes a little bit smoother because of that. 770 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: But I would tend to think that White would be 771 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: priority number one in terms of locking up for the 772 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: long term. Hey, what's the Jack tweets? And corty Legia? 773 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: What's his status? See, he's not a free agent now, 774 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: is he? Yeah, he's Yeah, he only signed a one 775 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: year deal to my knowledge, so I believe he is, yeah, 776 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: on my list. Let me see if let me check 777 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: my files that I have on my computer here. I'm 778 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to pull it up instantaneously, but 779 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: I can get to in a second. Well, you're so, 780 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, legit was sort of a 781 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: mid season, late edition. He was out on the street 782 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. But I don't know that 783 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: he's a I don't know that he's a priority for 784 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: the Bills. And yeah, he's a free agent agent right now. 785 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: He only signed a one year deal. What was that 786 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: late October? Yeah, so that makes sense to me. Do 787 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: you think he's a priority for the Billing. I mean, 788 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: he certainly would fall into the category of budgetary signing. 789 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. You know, 790 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: a nine year veteran with a pretty serious injury in 791 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: his history. Although he did help at times last year, 792 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that he is viewed as a difference 793 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: making player anymore. I think he's strictly a rotational guy. 794 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: If the Bills believe they can do better than that, 795 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: they will, especially if they can do it in a 796 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: fiscally responsible way. Um. I just think he was a 797 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: guy who was available at a time when they needed 798 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: somebody Harrison Phillips to the torn ACL So I think 799 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: that's why he was here. He was basically here to 800 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: fill a rotational role that was left by Harrison phillips injury. 801 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, if they get to late May early 802 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: June and they haven't addressed it, then I think his 803 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: likelihood of being a consideration is enhanced. But short of that, no, 804 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: I think they look for another way to fill that 805 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: rotational role for that fourth defensive tackle spot. One more 806 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: from the tweet sheet from Liam. He says the next 807 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: move for the Bills decide where Cody Ford plays and 808 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: play him there every snap they decided yet that he 809 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: moves inside. I don't think they have no and I 810 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: think that's that's largely going to be determined by what 811 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: they're able to land and free agency and the draft. 812 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: So you don't know. Here's the thing, you don't know 813 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: who's going to be available in a week and a 814 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: half because a lot of these free agents that you 815 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: have targeted could very well resign with their own clubs. 816 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: And suddenly the guy that you had pet, Oh, this 817 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: is the guy we're gonna sign. He's gonna be our 818 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Will move Cody to guard, no problem. Well 819 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: what happens if that guy gets resigned by the team 820 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: he played for last season before the market even opens, Well, WHOA, 821 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: we gotta think about doing something else here. What are 822 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: we doing same thing with Let's say they don't sign 823 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle or a guard in free agency, and 824 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: here's the draft and they don't know how the board's 825 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: gonna fall. Let's say some offensive tackle slides to them, 826 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: you know, like a Laramie Tunseil situation a couple of 827 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: years ago, and they're sitting at twenty two when they 828 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: can get the third best tackle in the draft they're 829 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: gonna take the guy if he's the best player on 830 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: their board. And now if you said, well, we signed 831 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: a guard in free agency, we're gonna play Cody Ford 832 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: a tackle. But we got this offensive tackle who's played 833 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: nothing but left tackle his whole life. We're gonna put 834 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: him on the right side. Cody Ford's back to guard. 835 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: That's why they're waiting. They don't want to write a 836 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: position in for Cody Ford and Penn when there are 837 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: too many variables that could change the course of how 838 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: they want to put that line together. So I think 839 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: it makes sense to kind of hold your water right 840 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: now and let's see what the roster looks like. And heck, Murph, 841 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: they could add a tackle and a guard between now 842 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: and the time they go to camp, and they still 843 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: may not have a final destination decided upon for Cody Ford. 844 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: Because what could very well happen is they could say, 845 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: battle it out in camp, prove you're the best tackle 846 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: or prove you're the best guard, and we'll go from there, 847 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: and that's how we'll formulate the line. All along they 848 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: have viewed Cody Ford. It's flexible right to play either one. 849 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: They value position flex you know, for a number of reasons. One, 850 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: it's good to have a player on game day that 851 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: can move from one position to another, should you have 852 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: a player succumb to injury during a game. And so 853 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: we saw that last year with John Feliciano. I mean, 854 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, Mitch Morrise gets dinged up, has to miss 855 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: a quarter, Feliciano slides into center, Spencer a long comes 856 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: on the field, a guard and they go business as usual. 857 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: And we saw that at right tackle. Also, you know, 858 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: Tie and Seki gets hurt, has a high ankle sprain, 859 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: can't play for six weeks, Cody fours the full time 860 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: guy instead of platooning with him. So you know, there 861 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: were even times where you know, Ryan Bates, the rookie 862 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: that they made the trade with with Philadelphia in late 863 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: August early September. Hey, guy can play all five positions. 864 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: So even though he's a backup, he's enormously valuable just 865 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: because of his versatility. So they just like having guys 866 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: that you know, they can move around should injury strike 867 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: on game day. All right, we'll get to your calls, 868 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: get to more tweets when we return. Talking free agency. 869 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: With the news today that Josh Norman has agreed to 870 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: terms with the Bills on a one year contract. Let's 871 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: hear from eight three fifty and toll free one eight 872 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty John Murphy and 873 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: Chris Brown One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health from 874 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: the Seneca Studio, Seneca Resorts in Casino. Nothing comes close. 875 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back One Bill's Live. John Murphy, Chris Brown coming 876 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: to you from Orchard Park to day, windy, sunny, sixty 877 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: degree Orchard Park. It's a beautiful day. Talking about free 878 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: agency a week before free agency begins. Let's take a 879 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: call here from Dennis Ian Buffalo. Hello Dennis, around the 880 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: air with this go ahead. Yeah, hi guys. It's well 881 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 1: documented the Bills have primary needs at both wide receiver 882 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 1: and edge rusher. Wide receiver, as most people are aware, 883 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: is very deep in the draft and likely a place 884 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: that they'll go for that. But edge rusher is a 885 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: not a considered really a strength in this Yerio's draft. Therefore, 886 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: I think they should go towards a quality edge rusher 887 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: in free agency. Now. I know Brandon Bean has stated 888 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: that it's unlikely that he will spend mega money to 889 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: acquire a top guy, even though I have the cat 890 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: money to do so, but I think the Jaguars Yannick 891 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: and Gockway is perfect edge rusher to go after. He's 892 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: very productive, he's very young, He's only twenty four years old, 893 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: and he stated that he won't sign a long term 894 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: deal with Jacksonville. I think the Jags will almost certainly 895 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: franchise tag him and maybe then try to trade him. 896 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: And I believe that the Bills will be a why 897 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: is to at least give a shot at trying to 898 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: trade for him. Maybe give up first round draft pick, 899 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: and since we have a glot of draft picks this here, 900 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: maybe some mental late round picks. I don't know if 901 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: that'd be enough to get him or not. But what 902 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: do you guys think about that? You're good giving up 903 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: a one first round draft picker and Gockway? Is that right? Dennis? Yes? Okay, 904 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: I want to let Chris answer this because I've answered 905 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,720 Speaker 1: this question before. I am not a fan of Yannick 906 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: and Gockway. I don't think he is a fit for 907 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: this Bill's roster, and that's a personal bias that I 908 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: have about him. I think he's a pretty good pass rusher. 909 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a class A pass rusher, but 910 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: I certainly would not give up a first rounder to 911 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: get him. Chris, what do you think? My concern is 912 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: the money you would have to pay him, twenty four 913 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: year old who's been very productive, as you mentioned. I 914 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be looking for eighteen to twenty million 915 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: dollars a year, and I just don't know if that 916 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: fits into the budgetary constraints of the bills. Based on 917 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: what Brandon being said at the combine, you know he said, 918 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,919 Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the direct quote 919 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: in front of me, but he basically said, what you 920 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: don't want to do is overpay in free agency or 921 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: in this case, a trade, and then a year from 922 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: now watch your own guys that you drafted walk out 923 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: the door because you can't meet their salary demands. And 924 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: I think this decision on a player like in Gockway, 925 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: for example, goes deeper than just, hey, we need a 926 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: really good pass rusher, and in Gockway's a really good 927 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: pass rusher. Let's trade for him goes far beyond that. 928 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: It goes to what are you giving up in terms 929 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: of compensation to Jacksonville to trade for him? Too, how 930 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: much money in Gockway is going to demand on a 931 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: long term contract extension, and then three how that money 932 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: will impact your ability to sign people like Tredavious White, 933 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins, and Matt Milano. And then a year from 934 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: now Tremaine Edmonds and Josh Allen too long term contract extensions. 935 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: If it inhibits your ability to do that, I believe 936 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: the Bills say no and don't entertain that kind of stuff. 937 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: I think, in an ideal world, Brandon Being and Sean 938 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 1: McDermott find their a one pass rusher in the draft. 939 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: It may not be this year, and that's why I 940 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: think it's very likely that this team takes the budgetary 941 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: approach to free agency, finds a player that can be 942 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: a stopgap measure for them at the position uming the 943 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: check Lawson's not back in the fold. So whether it's 944 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: a Robert Quinn as Murph and I have mentioned, who 945 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: can probably be had for seven to eight million a year, 946 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: who can help you and can still play at age thirty, 947 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: I think that's the more likely route that this team takes, 948 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: so that they can save their money to keep and 949 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,240 Speaker 1: resign their own guys that they've groomed and turned into 950 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: star players here or borderline Pro Bowl players, you know, 951 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: in the form of Tredavious White who is All Pro, 952 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: and Matt Milano and Dion Dawkins. I don't know that 953 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: they want to compromise those plans long term for the 954 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: sake of getting a long term answer at the pass 955 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: rusher position right now, looking at spot track, and that's 956 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: our buddy, Mike JANNITTI he does market value for some 957 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: of these free agents, and you're right. You know, in 958 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: Goquay Dennis is likely to sign a contract with Jacksonville 959 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: and be traded away, but his market value is seventeen 960 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: point one million dollars per year. I don't know if 961 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: you want to get banged up with it. I think 962 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: you gonna be asking for even more than Yeah, I 963 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you want to commit to that. And 964 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: that's just a guess on spot tracks part based on 965 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: what other defensive ends with similar stats are getting. And 966 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: there's also the fit effector which I think he doesn't 967 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: fit here. I don't think he's a type of player 968 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: they want. And we have to remember how much Brandon 969 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: Being covets draft currency and to part with a first 970 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: round pick in addition to signing said player to an 971 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: enormous contract. That's a lot. Now, we have seen them 972 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: make an exception to the rule, Mitch Morris being an 973 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: example of that. However, it wasn't at a position that 974 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: typically pay that's at the top of the market in 975 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: terms of average annual salary. It's at the center position, 976 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: and he was at the top of the market at 977 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: eleven million a year, So you can stomach that certainly 978 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: a lot easier than paying top tier pass rusher money 979 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: on a second contracting free agency. I think they much 980 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: rather find their future long term pass rushing answer in 981 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: the draft, getting him on a cheap rookie contract for 982 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: the first four years of his career and then figuring 983 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: it out from there, rather than paying upwards of eighteen 984 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: million dollars a year and parting with a first round 985 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: draft pick to get a guy like Daca. Hey, there's 986 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: another name that you will notice, you will recognize who 987 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: is likely to hit for agency next week. The name 988 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: of Tom Brady. You ever hear him, We're gonna talk 989 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: with him, Perry when we return. He is NBC Sports 990 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: Patriots reporter. He is a host of Monday Night Patriots 991 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,240 Speaker 1: on NBC Sports Boston Coots the cost of the Patriots 992 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: Talk podcast Phil Perry to talking about Brady, where he 993 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: might wind up, what the Patriots do with that. All 994 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: of that coming up when we return. One Bill Side 995 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: presented by Kalina Health from the Seneca Studio in Archard Park. 996 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Hills Radio Network Sports update 997 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. They Bill Said reportedly agreed to 998 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: a one year contract with veteran free agent cornerback Josh Norman. 999 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: He was a street free agent. He was released by 1000 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins back on February fourteenth. Josh Norman reunites 1001 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: with head coach John McDermott, who was his defensive coordinator 1002 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,399 Speaker 1: with Carolina from twenty twelve through twenty fifteen. Reportedly, it's 1003 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: a one year deal where six million dollars incentives that 1004 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: can reach eight million dollars. Likely he would go for 1005 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: the other starting quarterback cornerback spot opposite for Debous White 1006 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: Bills GM Brandon Byrne being confirmed at the combine that 1007 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: the Bills had spoken with Norman after his release from Washington. 1008 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: They are likely to keep Levi Wallace. He is a 1009 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: restricted rights free agent signing Norman adds another veteran voice 1010 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: to the cornerback room that both mcde mctean, Bean and 1011 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: McDermott have publicly sought. Meantime, there's a report in Houston 1012 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: that the Bills are interested in Houston Texans defensive tackle 1013 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: Dj Reader. The Bills maybe looking for a multi faceted 1014 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 1: player on the defensive line to somewhat cover up for 1015 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: the loss of Lorenzo Alexander, and that one might be 1016 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: Dj Reader. According to the Houston Chronicle, a number of 1017 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: NFL owners hope they proposed collective bargaining agreement does not 1018 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: pass with players because they think they can get a 1019 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: better deal than the one The both sides of a 1020 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 1: green Night Eyes on an eighteen game season in the future. 1021 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: Eleague source told ESPN players are voting right now. The 1022 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: votes in scheduled to be in by noon or midnight 1023 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: rather on Thursday. Franchise tag deadline coming up Thursday. Several 1024 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: teams making crucial decisions this week. One of those the 1025 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 1: New York Giants, who could put the franchise tag on 1026 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: defensive lineman Leonard Williams. Williams and the Giants are not 1027 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 1: close to a contract extension. According to report, Saints planned 1028 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: to put a first round tender on restricted free agent 1029 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: quarterback Taysom Hill. According to ESPN, another team would have 1030 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 1: to give up a first round draft pick to sign 1031 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: him if that happened. And the Buffalo Sabers try to 1032 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: snap a six game losing streak tonight home against the 1033 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,839 Speaker 1: Washington Capitol seven o'clock at Temac Center. Second of three 1034 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,399 Speaker 1: meetings Eugene, the Sabers and the Caps this season. That's 1035 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: the update from One Bill's Life. John Murphy and Chris Brown. 1036 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,320 Speaker 1: Chris is in Force Team Tasker who returns to us tomorrow. 1037 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,919 Speaker 1: The Tom Brady situation. We talked about it at Blank 1038 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: last Friday. It's still hanging and we have a guest 1039 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: on the line going to talk with us about that 1040 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. He is the NBC Sports Patriots reporter 1041 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: in Boston, host of Monday Night Patriots on NBC Sports Boston, 1042 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: co host of the Patriots Talk podcast, Phil Perry on 1043 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: the line of this, Hello Phil, John Murphy and Chris 1044 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: Brown up here in Buffalo. Thanks coming on anytime, guys, 1045 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. You're not tired of talking about 1046 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,439 Speaker 1: Tom Brady yet? Can we assume that to be the case. 1047 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: No way. I find this endlessly fascinating. I know there 1048 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of Patriots fans in the area who 1049 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,919 Speaker 1: wish that the story would be over and it would 1050 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,839 Speaker 1: just go away, and that Tom Brady would be back 1051 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: for the remainder of his career. But there are so 1052 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: many different layers to this. What does Tom Brady want? 1053 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: What does the Patriots want? If he's not here, who's 1054 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: here in his place? Where does he go? It has 1055 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: been a topic of conversation. You guys won't be surprised 1056 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 1: to hear this for about I would say ninety seven 1057 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: percent of the time we've been on air for the 1058 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,720 Speaker 1: last month and a half or so at NBC Sports Boston. 1059 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: If you can get us like the capsule version, Phil, 1060 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: how did it get here? Was it Brady siling his house? 1061 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: Or would go back to last year and he did 1062 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: not take an extra year in his contract? What got 1063 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: us to the position we're in today a week before 1064 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: free agency? Yeah? I think you're right there. Actually, you 1065 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: have to go back to last summer. And I'm always 1066 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 1: reminding people of this. The Patriots had an opportunity to 1067 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: keep Tom Brady in house on a multi year extension 1068 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: last summer, and we spoke to him in Detroit soon 1069 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: after he signed what was actually a one year deal 1070 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 1: for twenty three million dollars. It was initially reported as 1071 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: a three year extension, but now we know the final 1072 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 1: two years on that. We're dumby years to make it 1073 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: work for the salary cap. And he told us, I'm 1074 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: just like any other player. I'm on a one year contract. 1075 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. It is what it is, 1076 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: stealing one of Bill Belichick's favorite lines. So he clearly 1077 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: was not happy. He wanted to be there, or he 1078 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: wanted a deal that would pay him fairly for multiple years. 1079 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 1: He didn't get that, and so he said, you know what, guys, 1080 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: let's just take away the franchise tag here. I think 1081 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,280 Speaker 1: I'd like the ability to go and be a free agent. 1082 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,840 Speaker 1: And that's what they did. Robert Craft obliged him on 1083 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: that front. He didn't want to feel like he was 1084 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: forcing Tom Brady to stick around in New England, and 1085 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: that if this thing was going to continue to work 1086 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: with the head coach and the quarterback, that it was 1087 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: going to be of their own volition. And so here 1088 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,280 Speaker 1: we are now where less than a year later. Brady 1089 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,280 Speaker 1: was frustrated all season long, you know, even after wins, 1090 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: After the game in Buffalo, I can remember he just 1091 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: was not a happy camp or the offense wasn't where 1092 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be. His numbers were not great, 1093 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 1: He was not playing great at times, I think because 1094 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: of what was surrounding him. And so we're at the 1095 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,879 Speaker 1: point now where he is going to want to see 1096 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,600 Speaker 1: what's out there for him other places, and I think 1097 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: there is a good chance that he ends up somewhere 1098 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: else Where I want to go is how because I 1099 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,919 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's really asked this very much. And since 1100 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: you've got boots on the ground there, what level has 1101 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,320 Speaker 1: this hit for Patriots fans? Are we had Defcon five? 1102 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: What is I mean? Are people jumping off bridges into 1103 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: the Charles River? What's going on? We're not quite there yet, 1104 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 1: but I think we're getting closed. I think what people 1105 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: understand is there is a timeline here for this thing 1106 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: to go down. If it is going to go down, 1107 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 1: if Tom Brady is going to come back. You have 1108 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: the legal tampering period which starts March sixteenth, and then 1109 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 1: you obviously have the start of the new league year 1110 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,839 Speaker 1: on March eighteenth. They can't get to the eighteenth, at 1111 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: least realistically in my opinion, and not have Tom Brady 1112 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: signed if they want to bring him back, because on 1113 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,400 Speaker 1: the eighteenth, they will have a thirteen point five million 1114 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 1: dollar cap charge that accelerates onto their books from when 1115 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: he signed his deal last summer. So if they want 1116 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: to walk him up before that, then only half of 1117 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 1: that thirteen point five would go on to their books. 1118 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,320 Speaker 1: So obviously a much more favorable situation to sign Brady 1119 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: before that March eighteenth date. But the issue there is 1120 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: tom Brady's number one priority right now is not necessarily money. 1121 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: I think it's the situation. He wants to be surrounded 1122 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: by teammates and put in a spot where the offense 1123 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: is going to be more than a sidecard to Bill 1124 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 1: Belichick's defense. I think not only does he want to 1125 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 1: play until he's forty five, and not only does he 1126 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: want to win games, I think he wants to win 1127 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: games and look good while doing it. I mean, guys, 1128 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: they went twelve and four last year, and again that 1129 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 1: was as frustrated as we saw Brady all season long 1130 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 1: because the offense wasn't where he thought it should be. 1131 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 1: And so how do you get to that point If 1132 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: you're the Patriots and you do want to bring him back, 1133 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: how do you make your roster such that he's willing 1134 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: to come back before that March eighteenth date, and before 1135 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: that thirteen point five million dollars hits your books. It's 1136 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: a really complicated situation. They could try to trade and 1137 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: acquire pieces that way before the start of the new 1138 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: league year. They could just really go to work hard 1139 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: during this legal tampering period of March sixteenth and say, hey, Tom, 1140 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 1: turns out Hunter Henry wants to come and play with 1141 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: the Patriots. If you're going to be here, let's make 1142 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 1: this happen and get you signed before thee Those are 1143 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: the types of scenarios you're talking about having to play 1144 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 1: out to bring Brady back. And I think Fancier understand 1145 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: that the likelihood of all of those pieces coming together 1146 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: and coming together in relatively short order here are pretty 1147 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: low around the line. With Phil Perry from NBC Sports 1148 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,360 Speaker 1: in Boston, he's their Patriots reporter talking about the Tom 1149 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 1: Brady situation. If I'm arguing for the Patriots, Phil, I 1150 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 1: would say, hey, hey, Tom, look we went out and 1151 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: signed we drafted the first round pick to kill Harry Right. 1152 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: We signed, we had Josh Gordon here, that didn't work. 1153 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 1: They traded for Mohammed Sanou. They traded for Antonio Brown. Right, 1154 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: They got Antonio Brown, and none of it worked, admittedly, 1155 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: but they tried to surround him with weapons offensively, didn't 1156 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: They They did, And I'm sure that is right there 1157 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: at the front of Bill Belichick's mind as he is 1158 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: dealing with the situation himself. I think to some extent, 1159 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots would never acknowledge that they go 1160 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote all in in any season, but last year 1161 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,640 Speaker 1: was about as close as it get for them, because 1162 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: they did. They handed Antonio Brown a lot of money. 1163 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: He's got a big dead money you know, we're talking 1164 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: about the kaffer. He's got a big dead money cap 1165 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: charge himself for this coming season. They traded away a 1166 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 1: second round pick in a draft. Guys, that looks pretty 1167 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 1: deep as we start to dig into this thing, man, 1168 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: there are a ton of Patriots fits at receiver and 1169 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: at tight end, and a lot of them are projected 1170 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: to be second round guys. And they don't have a 1171 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 1: second round pick now. They pick once in the first 1172 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: eighty six picks, they have picked number twenty three, and 1173 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: then their next pick is picked number eighty seven at 1174 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: the end of the third round. So they really sort 1175 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 1: of robbed Peter to try to pay Paul, and that 1176 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: they were trading away future assets, younger you know, a 1177 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: chance at least eight younger players and draft picks, giving 1178 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: away money that they could they could have used this 1179 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: year in free agency to make last year's twenty nineteen 1180 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,760 Speaker 1: team a little bit better. And I think if you're 1181 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,919 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, yeah, you could try to extend yourself. Try 1182 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: to do that again. Trade draft picks for established veterans. 1183 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 1: Try to figure out if you can get Odell Beckham 1184 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,080 Speaker 1: junior or fun digs and trade away maybe your first 1185 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: round pick to make Tom Brady happy. But at what 1186 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: point are you really hurting the franchise long term to 1187 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: make the most of Tom Brady's window. And so I 1188 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: think that's the dilemma that Bill Belichick faces now. I 1189 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: think in the right situation, at the right money, Bill 1190 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Belichick would love to have Tom Brady back as this 1191 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: quarterback because right now, even with so many quarterbacks available 1192 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: on the market, Brady still gives them the best chance 1193 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: to win in twenty twenty, But how much well you 1194 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: have to give up to bring him back and how 1195 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: will that make your team look in twenty twenty one, 1196 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, because Bill Belichick it looks like 1197 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 1: guys is going to be here for a long time 1198 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,360 Speaker 1: and he has to worry about those teams as well. 1199 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: And I don't you know, I don't know what the 1200 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 1: validity of these numbers that are floating around are now. 1201 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 1: But there was another set of numbers thrown out this 1202 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 1: morning that the Patriots are willing to give him twenty 1203 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: five a year. That still seems on the low end 1204 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: even for a forty two year old quarterback. Do you 1205 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: have any idea And I know you said it's not 1206 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: necessarily about the money, it's about the supporting cast, But 1207 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: do you have a semblance of an idea as to 1208 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 1: what kind of money Brady and his agent are looking for? Yeah, 1209 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I think they would They would love 1210 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: to be closer to the thirty million dollars range, because 1211 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 1: when you really look at the market now, that's fair 1212 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: value for a guy who is still you know, when 1213 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: he has decent weapons around him, when he has time 1214 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: to throw, that's a lot of this, that's a lot 1215 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 1: of wins. I understand that just saying that here now. 1216 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 1: But he still, as you look at some of the 1217 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: advanced numbers Pro Football Focus, one of the most accurate 1218 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in football. And I think Brady sees that. I 1219 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,640 Speaker 1: think Brady understands that. He says, Guys, if we could 1220 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: just figure out a way to get me what I 1221 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: need here, I'm still very good. I'm still deserving to 1222 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 1: be paid as a top ten quarterback in the NFL. 1223 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: And so you would be looking at something a little 1224 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: bit closer to thirty than maybe even twenty five. But 1225 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 1: from my perspective, I look at this and I say, 1226 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots really weren't willing to go any more than 1227 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: twenty three million dollars for twenty nineteen. He was forty 1228 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: two years old. Now he's gonna be forty three years old. 1229 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna be looking for multiple years, and he's coming 1230 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: off of maybe his worst season since twenty thirteen. Or 1231 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: you could go all the way back to two thousand 1232 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: and six, when there was really nobody on the roster 1233 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: offensively that provided them any kind of pop, And I 1234 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: don't understand, and it would be really hard for me 1235 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: to find a way if I'm Bill Belichick to give 1236 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: him more than that, because you took a hard line 1237 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: at twenty three last year and it looks like he 1238 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: slid a little bit in terms of his performance and 1239 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you need to fill out some other holes on your roster. 1240 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you give him a raise after that. 1241 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: Phil Perry from NBC Sports Boston is our guests. Hey, Phil, 1242 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: I keep waiting for Robert Kraft to step in and 1243 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,439 Speaker 1: do something to resolve the situation. We're talking to Karen 1244 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,439 Speaker 1: Greege and last week, who said it's not likely to happen, 1245 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 1: but won't Craft have to eventually step in and make 1246 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 1: happen Whatever he wants to happen here, whether it's Brady 1247 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,080 Speaker 1: stays or goes well, what he wants to happen is 1248 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 1: he wants Bill Belichick to be happy. I think at 1249 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, because Bill Belichick is Robert 1250 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Kraft's best chance at extending this thing that the Patriots 1251 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: have going. I don't know if you'll be able to 1252 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 1: continue to call it a dynasty because I don't know 1253 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: how many Super Bowls are coming New England's way in 1254 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: the next few years here. But your best chance at 1255 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,120 Speaker 1: sustained success is with Bill Belichick as your head coach. 1256 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: You may threaten that if you all of a sudden 1257 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 1: step in and say, hey, Bill, I don't care what 1258 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: you say, we are keeping Tom period, end of story. 1259 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Because Bill Belichick is principled enough, I believe that he 1260 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,760 Speaker 1: would be willing to move on at that point. He's 1261 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: into his sixties now, he's accomplished a great deal. I 1262 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,680 Speaker 1: think at some point Robert Kraft understands Bill Belichick is 1263 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the right guy to make the decisions and the football 1264 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,920 Speaker 1: operation here. He did it with Drew Bledsoe when he 1265 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 1: made the transition from Brady to Bledsoe. He did it 1266 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,880 Speaker 1: with Garoppolo, although he waited a little bit too long 1267 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,440 Speaker 1: with Garoppolo. And I know it was reported that Robert 1268 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Kraft sort of forced Bill Belichick seen when that happened. 1269 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 1: And my understanding is that's not what happened, and that 1270 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Robert Craft said, okay, Bill, you want to trade him 1271 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: for a second round pick, because you know, are you 1272 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,640 Speaker 1: sure type of thing? It wasn't he stormed into his 1273 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: offense or his office and made that trade happen. So 1274 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: the football operation truly is Bill Belichick's. Now, if it's 1275 01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: the difference, guys with this Brady thing, If it's the 1276 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: difference of a couple million dollars and Belichick wants to 1277 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,840 Speaker 1: take a hard line and Brady's taking a hard line, like, 1278 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,120 Speaker 1: I think Kraft would step in at that point, but 1279 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: only if it was really a reasonable amount of money 1280 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: and it was really not all that significant. If it's 1281 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: about going in and telling the guy that you love 1282 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 1: him and you want to keep him around and that 1283 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: he's appreciated. You know, Robert Craft can do that. He 1284 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,880 Speaker 1: can massage feelings if that's what needs to happen here. 1285 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: He really has done that with Brady's contract over the 1286 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: last you know, decade or so here. But I think 1287 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,200 Speaker 1: when you look at it, the decision really is going 1288 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 1: to be Belichick's because Kraft wants Belichick to be the 1289 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 1: guy to usher this team into whatever it's next iteration is. 1290 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: And if he steps in, he steps on Belichick's toes. 1291 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: You might threaten that you might not have the guy 1292 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,880 Speaker 1: as long as he won last one. For me, Phil 1293 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: deals with you know, the dark day, the nuclear winter, 1294 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Brady doesn't come back, What is the contingency plan or plans? 1295 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,800 Speaker 1: I know that they're encouraged by where Stidham is going 1296 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 1: as a young guy, but I can't see him starting 1297 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. You can tell me if I'm wrong, 1298 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: But what are the contingency plans that you can take 1299 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,000 Speaker 1: your best stab at if Brady is not in the 1300 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: fold for them? Yeah, I think if you had to 1301 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 1: handicap it, honestly, you'd have to go with Stidham as 1302 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,480 Speaker 1: the favorite because he's the guy who's on the roster, 1303 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: he's the guy who's been in the offense for a 1304 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,160 Speaker 1: year now. Was very impressive. Honestly last summer in preseason. 1305 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: I was not expecting him to be as effective as 1306 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,760 Speaker 1: he was. And I know it's just preseason. The defenses 1307 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,440 Speaker 1: are vanilla. The game is just not played at the 1308 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: same speed that we see during the regular season. But 1309 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: I go back to twenty four team when Jimmy Garoppolo 1310 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: was a second round pick came in played that preseason 1311 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 1: was certainly impressive and Stidham, when you look at it, 1312 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,600 Speaker 1: and I watched it closely. I watched every snap Stidham 1313 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: took last summer. Just over the weekend here and I 1314 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: got a piece that's going up on our website soon. 1315 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: But he was really more impressive across the board than 1316 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,200 Speaker 1: Garoppolo was and Garoppolo's rookie season, And so if he 1317 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: makes a similar leap going into his second year and 1318 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,920 Speaker 1: he understands the offense a little bit more and he's 1319 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable with some of the things 1320 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,160 Speaker 1: that they asked him to do. I mean, remember, he's 1321 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 1: coming from Auburn spread system, never under center. You know, 1322 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: it's a much different deal. Found he handled those things 1323 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: pretty well last year, and he should have improved even 1324 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,640 Speaker 1: from that point to now. So they have a much 1325 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,360 Speaker 1: better idea obviously than we do of where Stidham's game 1326 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,960 Speaker 1: is at. But just from asking Bill Belichick about Stidham 1327 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,400 Speaker 1: during the season, he was encouraged by his progress. Asking 1328 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Stidham's teammates about where he was. Men defensive players really 1329 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,520 Speaker 1: praised this guy up and down about his ability to 1330 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: make on the run accurate down the field. You know, 1331 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,840 Speaker 1: they saw a lot of mobile quarterbacks last year, including 1332 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, and he gave him a good look there 1333 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 1: because he's an athlete and he can't throw on the move. 1334 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,200 Speaker 1: So I think those types of things, as well as 1335 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: the fact that He's going to be making less than 1336 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,840 Speaker 1: a million dollars per year over the next three years. 1337 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: Would make him a pretty enticing option if they do 1338 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 1: decide to go with the veteran guys. I know Andy 1339 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Dalton's name has been thrown around a lot in relation 1340 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: with the Patriots. That would surprise me. He's got a 1341 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,919 Speaker 1: seventeen million dollar cap hit next year. You would also 1342 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,680 Speaker 1: have to trade for him, so you'd be giving up 1343 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,040 Speaker 1: one of those draft picks. It's an old team. They 1344 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: need to really rebuild the younger part of that roster, 1345 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,920 Speaker 1: so that doesn't make a ton of sense to me. 1346 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,040 Speaker 1: But Marcus Mariota, believe it or not, would make some sense. 1347 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Guy who needs a little bit of a career revival. 1348 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,080 Speaker 1: You might be able to get him on a one 1349 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,080 Speaker 1: year deal seven to eight million bucks. Teddy Bridgewater just 1350 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 1: came off one of those. Ryan Tannahill is coming off 1351 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 1: of one of those. That's the kind of guy that 1352 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I could see coming into New England. And he's somebody 1353 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I know New England has been interested in in the past, 1354 01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: keeping his mouth shut, not ruffling too many feathers, maybe 1355 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,560 Speaker 1: providing the offense something a little bit different in terms 1356 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,600 Speaker 1: of having that mobility factor, and really the most important 1357 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,560 Speaker 1: thing would be being short or being accurate in the 1358 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,040 Speaker 1: short area of the field. That's really where this Patriots 1359 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: offense has revolved the last you know, however, many years 1360 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 1: with Tom Brady and Marioda when he was at his 1361 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,439 Speaker 1: best a couple of years ago, was one of the 1362 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,800 Speaker 1: best short inaccurate quarterbacks in the league when you look 1363 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,160 Speaker 1: at some of the numbers. So that's the guy who 1364 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,720 Speaker 1: would make sense to me because he would be low 1365 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,639 Speaker 1: cost and I think he would fit what they do here. 1366 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,400 Speaker 1: And Phil, the last thing I have for you. If 1367 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: Brady leaves New England, where does he go? And we've 1368 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 1: heard all of the you know, the guesses about where 1369 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,400 Speaker 1: he might wind up, but what's the likeliest landing spot 1370 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,720 Speaker 1: for Tom Brady? To me, the best spot for him 1371 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,920 Speaker 1: is Tennessee. Now, you know, all things being equal that 1372 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 1: the Niners obviously would be a tremendous spot for him, 1373 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,160 Speaker 1: the defense that's ready to go, the best offensive play 1374 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: caller in the league arguably, and Kyle Shanahan. He'd be 1375 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,400 Speaker 1: going home. It's a big market for him. He's just 1376 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 1: started a production company, he announced today on social media. 1377 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,280 Speaker 1: He obviously has his TV twelve health and fitness that 1378 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: he would love to get across the country. So San 1379 01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: Francisco would be tremendous for all of those things, I think, 1380 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,560 Speaker 1: but I just don't view it as all that realistic 1381 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,800 Speaker 1: just yet. It feels like it would take a lot 1382 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,520 Speaker 1: for the Niners to be willing to move on from Garoppolo. 1383 01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: So Tennessee to me is the most likely option, and 1384 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: that one makes the most sense. A you have the 1385 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,400 Speaker 1: weapons that Brady I think would be looking for, a 1386 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,080 Speaker 1: pretty good tight end and Johnny Smith, good offensive line, 1387 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe they can keep Derrick Henry on the franchise tag. 1388 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: You have a few good young receivers there as well. 1389 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,559 Speaker 1: That's about as good a situation to walk into as 1390 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,479 Speaker 1: you could ask for personnel wise, and then scheme wise, 1391 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,240 Speaker 1: I think that one makes a lot of sense too, 1392 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:40,760 Speaker 1: because just talking to football people, for Tom Brady to 1393 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,160 Speaker 1: bring his operation and bring the Patriots scheme somewhere else 1394 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,559 Speaker 1: is a huge ask. Whether it's Vegas or Tampa. You've 1395 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,679 Speaker 1: got coaches like Gruden and Arians who are really set 1396 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 1: in their ways, and they've had an offensive style that 1397 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 1: they've used for a long time, and sure they would 1398 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: try to mesh what they do with what Brady does. 1399 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: But I think Brady would just love to run his stuff. 1400 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he really wants to be changing as 1401 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: far as that goes. At this point in his career. 1402 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,439 Speaker 1: You go to Tennessee, young, smart offensive coordinator. He's not 1403 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: really from any particular tree. He's really a Titans guy. 1404 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,559 Speaker 1: He's not you know, it's not like he's a West 1405 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,599 Speaker 1: Coast guy or he's a Earhart Perkins guy. He's He's 1406 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: just a smart guy. He's worked in a variety of 1407 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,679 Speaker 1: different systems. They've turned over coordinators, they were a bunch 1408 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,920 Speaker 1: of the last few years. I think that would help 1409 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,879 Speaker 1: be able to usher in that Patriots system in Tennessee. 1410 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: And then obviously the connection with Mike Vrabel would help too. 1411 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: I think if you're not going to be with the Patriots, 1412 01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,840 Speaker 1: the closest thing to Patriots culture and to you know, 1413 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: sort of win at all costs culture and really grind, 1414 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 1: you know. I see that with Mike Vrabel more so 1415 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: than I see it at a place like Tampa Bay 1416 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians. So Tampa Bay for me, would would 1417 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,880 Speaker 1: be the favorite if he's not back in New England. 1418 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,640 Speaker 1: So how much longer do we wait for an answer here? 1419 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,800 Speaker 1: A week, week and a half. What do you think? Well, 1420 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,960 Speaker 1: what's difficult I think from at least the Patriots perspective 1421 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 1: is that this new CBA does in the delay that 1422 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,599 Speaker 1: we've seen in terms of it getting voted. And I'm 1423 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,519 Speaker 1: just you know, just a few minutes ago saw LPA 1424 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,080 Speaker 1: pushed the vote, the deadline to vote back to this weekend, 1425 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,920 Speaker 1: So that's going to be another couple of days maybe 1426 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,559 Speaker 1: added on to this timeline here. And the reason that's 1427 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,519 Speaker 1: significant is because if you're Bill Belichick, the guy that 1428 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,280 Speaker 1: has been latted for a very long time for being 1429 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,360 Speaker 1: the most prepared guy in sports, maybe most detailed guy 1430 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,960 Speaker 1: in sports, you know, for him to come to the 1431 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 1: table with a player who's going to be his highest 1432 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,160 Speaker 1: paid on the team and not really know what the 1433 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: rules are for contracts and not know for sure whether 1434 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,559 Speaker 1: this new CBA is going to be voted on yet 1435 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,479 Speaker 1: or not, that doesn't feel like Bill Belichick to me. 1436 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's the reason why we haven't seen 1437 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,120 Speaker 1: a lot of deals get signed here. Even Drew Brees. 1438 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: You know, we know he wants to go back to 1439 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: the Saints, but we don't know what his contract is 1440 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,759 Speaker 1: going to be, because we don't have a new CBA 1441 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,000 Speaker 1: just yet, so I think that is really thrown a 1442 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,439 Speaker 1: wrench into this thing. And if that vote doesn't come 1443 01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,559 Speaker 1: across till this coming weekend, it might be you know, gosh, 1444 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960 Speaker 1: we're really up right up against the legal tampering period, 1445 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,400 Speaker 1: which I did not think would be the case. I 1446 01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,840 Speaker 1: thought once we got away from the combine that we 1447 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: would have a good idea of what Brady's market is, 1448 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,160 Speaker 1: what is demands would be, and if the Patriots would 1449 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,160 Speaker 1: be willing to meet those. But I think we're all 1450 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,679 Speaker 1: in sort of sit and weight mode with the CBA, 1451 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,640 Speaker 1: and so it could be even as late as this 1452 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,720 Speaker 1: weekend or right into the legal tampering period, that we 1453 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 1: see whether or not Tom Brady decides to be in 1454 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,559 Speaker 1: New England Patriot and if the Patriots decide they want them, 1455 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,679 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. Hey, Phil, thanks for this is great, 1456 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,920 Speaker 1: Thanks very much. All right, guys, anytime always could have 1457 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,920 Speaker 1: talked to you. Philip Perry is NBC Sports Boston reporter, 1458 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,760 Speaker 1: covers the Patriots, host of Monday Night Patriots on the 1459 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: NBC Sports Botston and co host the Patriots Talk podcast. 1460 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,600 Speaker 1: He joined us today. He's interested as we are in 1461 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,840 Speaker 1: this we pale in comparison to what they must be 1462 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,000 Speaker 1: thinking in Boston. Right, That's why I asked, Yeah, it's 1463 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,840 Speaker 1: there's gotta be people ready to jump off bridges up there. Right. 1464 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,639 Speaker 1: It didn't just start as we're going out de Coon 1465 01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,479 Speaker 1: five now, because we're getting down to when the rubber 1466 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,920 Speaker 1: meets the road and nothing has happened. I'm kind of 1467 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,320 Speaker 1: enjoying the fact that you've got to You've got Boston 1468 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,840 Speaker 1: fans biting their fingernails and probably their tone nails too 1469 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: at this point because they've got nothing left to chew 1470 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,519 Speaker 1: on their fingers, and you know, to me, I just 1471 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,920 Speaker 1: love that they're probably in a full blown panic. You know, Yeah, 1472 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,560 Speaker 1: makes me happy me too. I have no sympathy for 1473 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,000 Speaker 1: them at all. Hey, our Twitter poll today the Bills 1474 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,599 Speaker 1: agreed to terms, reportedly with Josh Norman cornerback. What's their 1475 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 1: next move? What do you think? We'll revisit the Twitter poll. 1476 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,360 Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls when we return. Chris Brown 1477 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,160 Speaker 1: is here for Steep Tasker. It's one bill slide presented 1478 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 1: by Klatta Health from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park 1479 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:51,599 Speaker 1: and This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome Back One Bill's Live. 1480 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Chris Brown is in for Steep Tasker today. See we'll 1481 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,519 Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We are told, great day, have Chris 1482 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,679 Speaker 1: in here with us, different perspective. We had Luke Tasker 1483 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,920 Speaker 1: last Friday. Did you watch any of Chrissy was good? 1484 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 1: I did catch some of that. Yeah, he sounds just 1485 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,639 Speaker 1: like Steve. I know. Isn't it scary if you close 1486 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,320 Speaker 1: your eyes and you listen to him, even the delivery 1487 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: is the same. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's like 1488 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,559 Speaker 1: you're taking a step back in time. Steve's gonna come 1489 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: in tomorrow and say, Luke, I am your father. Were 1490 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,320 Speaker 1: How long were you sitting on that one? I'll ask 1491 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,639 Speaker 1: Steve tomorrow. Hey, our thanks again to our last guest, 1492 01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Phil Perry. Clinton portis joining us at two o'clock to 1493 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,759 Speaker 1: talk about the new Buffalo Bill coming to the Bills. 1494 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 1: Josh Norman, this is new and we talked a little 1495 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,280 Speaker 1: bit with this about Phil Perry. With this, NFLPA issues 1496 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,479 Speaker 1: a statement moments ago and it says, by a vote 1497 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,120 Speaker 1: of our Board of Player Reps, we've extended the voting 1498 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,120 Speaker 1: deadline on the proposed new collective bargaining agreement to Saturday. 1499 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,559 Speaker 1: This Saturday, March fourteenth, at eleven fifty nine pm Eastern 1500 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 1: daylight time. They want to say every vote matters. We 1501 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,840 Speaker 1: encourage all players to review the material sent by email 1502 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,720 Speaker 1: and order to make it an informed decision. It was 1503 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,280 Speaker 1: going to be Thursday. They pushed the deadline back two days. 1504 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of this, Chris. They're 1505 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,080 Speaker 1: going to give players more time to digest the propose 1506 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: CBA four hundred fifty six pages. You looked at it 1507 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 1: right over the weekend, you said, Yeah, I took a 1508 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 1: combed through a good portion of it. There's just I mean, 1509 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,200 Speaker 1: it's four hundred fifty six pages, Murph. I mean that's 1510 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,759 Speaker 1: like close to reading Crime and Punishment in the weekend, 1511 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,280 Speaker 1: and that's not my bag. So I went through some 1512 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,360 Speaker 1: areas that were important, you know, expanding the game schedule, 1513 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,320 Speaker 1: things like that. So yeah, I mean it was it 1514 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,080 Speaker 1: was interesting. I was looking more at it in terms 1515 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,400 Speaker 1: of what it means to the fan, you know, namely 1516 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,920 Speaker 1: expanded schedule, expanded playoffs, and the ramifications they're in. As 1517 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 1: far as it impacts the players, we know there have 1518 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,880 Speaker 1: been pros and there are certainly cons and this I 1519 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,760 Speaker 1: think the disconnect for the rank and file is this, 1520 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,800 Speaker 1: you got over sixty percent of the league that makes 1521 01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,080 Speaker 1: in essence for players is minimum ways, you know, minimum salary, 1522 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,759 Speaker 1: and those players are going to get one hundred thousand 1523 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,800 Speaker 1: dollars raise in twenty twenty and that talks. You want 1524 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,400 Speaker 1: to talk about money talking, That talks to over sixty 1525 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,320 Speaker 1: percent of the players. And make no mistake, the owners 1526 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,640 Speaker 1: certainly took that into account in terms of presenting what 1527 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,880 Speaker 1: many would find as a convincing deal. And players who 1528 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,439 Speaker 1: probably aren't playing in the league ten years who are 1529 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,040 Speaker 1: making the minimum salary, one hundred thousand dollars means a lot. 1530 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,600 Speaker 1: It's one hundred thousand more to put away for retirement 1531 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,400 Speaker 1: or to keep them from having to get another career 1532 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: after playing football is over. So that weighs heavily on 1533 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,080 Speaker 1: the minds of minimum salary players. The other part of 1534 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 1: the league in terms of player makeup are the ones 1535 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,640 Speaker 1: making top dollar who really wanted the new agreement with 1536 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:58,800 Speaker 1: the owners to be groundbreaking, and I think they feel 1537 01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:04,439 Speaker 1: as though this CBA falls woefully short of that, and 1538 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,040 Speaker 1: it does. But let's be honest here, the deal that 1539 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,600 Speaker 1: is currently proposed still helps you get rich if you 1540 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 1: are a player, It just doesn't give you maybe all 1541 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 1: of the groundbreaking things you thought you were going to get. 1542 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,880 Speaker 1: And why because the people you're negotiating with are billionaires 1543 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,560 Speaker 1: for a reason. They're not giving you the farm. So 1544 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic the small and vocal minority 1545 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,920 Speaker 1: of players are in terms of what they felt they 1546 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: could get from ownership. I think in some ways it 1547 01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: was unrealistic because they're not gonna the ownership just isn't 1548 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,680 Speaker 1: gonna part with that much. Well, if they're looking, I 1549 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,160 Speaker 1: don't know why they'd be looking or thinking. I guess 1550 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 1: they could get a fundamental seat change in the way 1551 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,960 Speaker 1: the NFL does business. Yeah, I guess they might look 1552 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,599 Speaker 1: at it like, well, I'm making multimillions of dollars here, 1553 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the guys who come against the 1554 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:07,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, the big money. Yeah, they're thinking, 1555 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,439 Speaker 1: I'm making multi billions of dollars in the league. Is 1556 01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,519 Speaker 1: a little bit screwed up. Let's make a fundamental change. 1557 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,000 Speaker 1: All right, to think that, but keep in mind of, 1558 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,880 Speaker 1: as you just said, of the rank and file, sixty 1559 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,960 Speaker 1: five percent of the players are first, second, third year players, 1560 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,600 Speaker 1: guys making close to the minimum salary. They don't care 1561 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 1: about fundamental change. If you tell them you get paid 1562 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,000 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars extra next year and you play 1563 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,360 Speaker 1: one more game, they're like, boom, where do I sign? Right? Right? 1564 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,760 Speaker 1: And it's it's the trying to make that work for 1565 01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,360 Speaker 1: all those players is what's at stake here with the NFLPA. 1566 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,840 Speaker 1: And by the way, and I'd say this with no, 1567 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a don't have a horse 1568 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: in this race. But somebody smart on the owner's side said, hey, 1569 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,559 Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the players don't care about long 1570 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,800 Speaker 1: term issues. They care about this year and next year. 1571 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,559 Speaker 1: Maybe let's tailor a deal towards them. And that's why 1572 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,000 Speaker 1: they're ready to vote for it. It was a smart 1573 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,519 Speaker 1: moved by the owners. But this delay two days indicates 1574 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's a little bit of housekeeping. 1575 01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,040 Speaker 1: They can't get everybody to read the thing. People are 1576 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,120 Speaker 1: all over the place in the offseason. Two But the 1577 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,920 Speaker 1: fact that there's more time I think is significant. It's 1578 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,040 Speaker 1: going to give opponents of the deal more time to 1579 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,800 Speaker 1: marshal their arguments. I think, you know a week ago, 1580 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,120 Speaker 1: I was saying on the show, they can vote it down. 1581 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,080 Speaker 1: What's the rush? They can wait till next year. They 1582 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,320 Speaker 1: can They might now they have two extras. They might 1583 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,600 Speaker 1: not get the same deal though exactly. And you'll be 1584 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,160 Speaker 1: a difficult year this year. And I don't think things 1585 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 1: are going to get easier. I think they're gonna get 1586 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,880 Speaker 1: harder if they resume negotiations next spring, right this time, 1587 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,759 Speaker 1: and I think that vocal minority is of the opinion 1588 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: that well, we can wait. The owners will negotiate their 1589 01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,600 Speaker 1: new media rights deals and they'll get a boatload of 1590 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,520 Speaker 1: money from those, and then wear in a more favorable 1591 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,560 Speaker 1: position to negotiate a stronger leverage point because there is 1592 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,519 Speaker 1: more revenue to be shared. I would argue apps in 1593 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 1: a new deal media right companies broadcast networks will be like, well, 1594 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,639 Speaker 1: are you gonna have football or you're not gonna have Yeah, 1595 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,599 Speaker 1: it's gonna take a hit. And so whether the vocal 1596 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 1: minority is a stute enough to recognize that, I don't know. Um, 1597 01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,240 Speaker 1: they don't have the same financial pressures that the other 1598 01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,479 Speaker 1: guys do. Right Yourian Rodgers, You can say I could 1599 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 1: sit out for a year to get what we really 1600 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,280 Speaker 1: really want um, right, Richard Sherman, I can wait for 1601 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,120 Speaker 1: a year to get what we really the minimum guys 1602 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,720 Speaker 1: who may only play five years, they can't. Yeah. And 1603 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,160 Speaker 1: the other thing too here, And I thought Andrew Brand 1604 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,920 Speaker 1: had a really interesting column when he was kind of 1605 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,160 Speaker 1: divvying up the finer point of his CBA proposal being 1606 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,559 Speaker 1: and run the show last Wednesday. Yeah, And the thing 1607 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,200 Speaker 1: that stuck with me the most in terms of where 1608 01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 1: the players dropped the ball was in the length of 1609 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,640 Speaker 1: the deal. No opt out for ten years? Are you 1610 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,400 Speaker 1: kidding me? You can't tell me you know what the 1611 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,840 Speaker 1: league's financial and revenue landscape is going to be in 1612 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: ten years exactly? I mean that is to me, that 1613 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:16,000 Speaker 1: is the one thing. You know, the ownership said seventeen games, 1614 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:21,160 Speaker 1: it's non negotiable. It's happening. Deal with it. However you 1615 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 1: see fit it's happening. Deal with it. Okay. So the 1616 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,840 Speaker 1: players should have come back with one or two things 1617 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,479 Speaker 1: that were non negotiable for them, and I think one 1618 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,840 Speaker 1: of them should be we're getting an opt out after 1619 01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:38,800 Speaker 1: non negotiable something, even if it wasn't financial in nature, 1620 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,600 Speaker 1: at least get out of the deal you're currently in 1621 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,000 Speaker 1: if it turns out to be an albatross you got. 1622 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,680 Speaker 1: You got football players in junior high school that are 1623 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:52,479 Speaker 1: gonna be under this deal because I don't know how 1624 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,360 Speaker 1: you did it with no opt out, I really don't. 1625 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's a good part of the deal. One 1626 01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,400 Speaker 1: good for players. They really in a in a surprise way. 1627 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,519 Speaker 1: I think they took care of former players, retired players 1628 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,679 Speaker 1: with the brand new It's very good for retire players. 1629 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the guy who sits right there, notice that, 1630 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,599 Speaker 1: and was in contact with several of his former teammates 1631 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,120 Speaker 1: last week, and they have no vote, which is unusual. 1632 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,040 Speaker 1: They have no vote yes or no. But there's no 1633 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,479 Speaker 1: question the deal takes care of people like Steve Tasker 1634 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,240 Speaker 1: and retired players who have years in the league and 1635 01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,519 Speaker 1: see increase health benefits and a bigger pension. Yeah, Steve 1636 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,880 Speaker 1: was he was when you were out. He was talking 1637 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,920 Speaker 1: to me about having to get his knee drained. Oh yeah, 1638 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,559 Speaker 1: and it was ridiculously painful. But those are certain things 1639 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,800 Speaker 1: that players have been banging around for twelve thirteen years 1640 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,479 Speaker 1: in the league have to deal with now. And that's 1641 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,640 Speaker 1: a minor inconvenience in comparison to what some of the 1642 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,360 Speaker 1: other people deal with, you know, whether you're talking about 1643 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:51,760 Speaker 1: CTE or God Forbid, dementia and other stuff that's small potatoes, 1644 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,839 Speaker 1: but still in all that stuff's going to be covered 1645 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 1: a whole lot better for a lot of the retired 1646 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,040 Speaker 1: players going forward. So the news today the NFLPA, he 1647 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,120 Speaker 1: has pushed the deadline back to Saturday to get all 1648 01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,719 Speaker 1: the votes in Saturday at midnight. It was Thursday at midnight. 1649 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,600 Speaker 1: So that's significant, and we'll talk more about that if 1650 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,000 Speaker 1: you'd like. I want to talk about free agency for 1651 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,559 Speaker 1: the Bills. They made the move today, not official yet, 1652 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,439 Speaker 1: but they have reportedly agrees to term. Was agreed to 1653 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,320 Speaker 1: terms with cornerback Josh Norman on a one year contract. 1654 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,960 Speaker 1: What do you think of that deal and what's the 1655 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,920 Speaker 1: next move for the Bills. We'll come back, recheck the 1656 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Twitter poll and take your phone calls, maybe read some 1657 01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,960 Speaker 1: tweets when we return. It's One Bill's Live, presented by 1658 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Kalada Health from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This 1659 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:46,599 Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. 1660 01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,320 Speaker 1: Geography and Chris Brown. Chris is in four Steve Tasker. 1661 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,920 Speaker 1: Our topic of the day, The Bills reportedly have agreed 1662 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,120 Speaker 1: in principle to a new deal with cornerback Josh Norman, 1663 01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,040 Speaker 1: a one year deal worth six million dollars. Certain incentives 1664 01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:02,880 Speaker 1: might make it reach eight million dollars. It is a 1665 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,639 Speaker 1: one year deal for Josh Norman, thirty two years of old. Hey, Chris, 1666 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,519 Speaker 1: what I'm going to get to our Twitter pole a second? 1667 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,479 Speaker 1: What do you make out of the limited playing time 1668 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,400 Speaker 1: that Jess Norman had last year? I know you talked 1669 01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,040 Speaker 1: about it briefly about different sort of defense, But thirty 1670 01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,479 Speaker 1: two year old guy who plays what they say, six 1671 01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,040 Speaker 1: plays in or two ten plays in the last six 1672 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,040 Speaker 1: weeks for Washington, I mean to assume that he's healthy 1673 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,320 Speaker 1: and good to go, and well his legs are fresh. Yeah, 1674 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,200 Speaker 1: I think we can say that. Yeah. I again, I 1675 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:37,360 Speaker 1: think the Bills did their homework. They know what Josh 1676 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Norman is capable of at age thirty two, or at 1677 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,360 Speaker 1: least they have a good semblance of an idea. But 1678 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm inclined to agree with humor if I don't think 1679 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,120 Speaker 1: this is a guarantee that Josh Norman is on this roster. 1680 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,920 Speaker 1: This is a very competitive roster to make Kevin Johnson 1681 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,240 Speaker 1: got signed around this time last year, and people were 1682 01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,080 Speaker 1: of the opinion that he was going to start opposite 1683 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,360 Speaker 1: Tredavious White and Levi Wallace held on to the starting 1684 01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,439 Speaker 1: job and was an undrafted free agent. Now by the 1685 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 1: end of the season, Kevin Johnson was platooning with him 1686 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,800 Speaker 1: at that position. But I think you understand the point here. 1687 01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,760 Speaker 1: Just because Josh Norman has a lot of pelts on 1688 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,120 Speaker 1: the wall and has been a Pro Bowl player, an 1689 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:24,559 Speaker 1: All Pro player doesn't guarantee anything. It's more than ever, 1690 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,320 Speaker 1: it's a what have you done for me lately? League? 1691 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,679 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what kind of cachet or name value 1692 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,160 Speaker 1: you have. The proof is in what you can do 1693 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,720 Speaker 1: on the field. So if he comes in and is 1694 01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,080 Speaker 1: reborn in a scheme that made him an All Pro, well, 1695 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,920 Speaker 1: then yeah, he's got a chance to threaten Levi Wallace 1696 01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,400 Speaker 1: for his starting job. But short of that, he's coming 1697 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,240 Speaker 1: off the bench, and if he doesn't measure up at all, 1698 01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,200 Speaker 1: he's not going to be here. Yeah, And that's just 1699 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,920 Speaker 1: those are the facts. And that money that he's making 1700 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,840 Speaker 1: six million dollars reportedly one year deal, six million all 1701 01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,640 Speaker 1: base salary, you can retapellion that money will make him. 1702 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,160 Speaker 1: It'll put extra eyes on him because it'd be one 1703 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:06,760 Speaker 1: thing if he doesn't make this, if he doesn't knock 1704 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: Levi Wallace or Kevin Johnson, he's back out of playing time. 1705 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,519 Speaker 1: So now he's a backup and they will look long 1706 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,080 Speaker 1: and hard at him. Do we really want to pay 1707 01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,080 Speaker 1: a backup corner six million? At least? I don't know 1708 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,600 Speaker 1: about that. They pay Kevin Johnson four last year, so 1709 01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,519 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's dramatically different. It's insurance. He's insurance. 1710 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,439 Speaker 1: He's an insurance signing. You certainly could do a lot 1711 01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,920 Speaker 1: worse than Josh Norman. But let's see what he's got 1712 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,519 Speaker 1: left in the tank. Let's see what he can do 1713 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,799 Speaker 1: in terms. And do you want to talk about motivated 1714 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,880 Speaker 1: to compete. He's motivated to compete. He's on a one 1715 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,080 Speaker 1: year deal and it's base salary, not it. I mean, 1716 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,240 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell from what we've been reading, 1717 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:50,320 Speaker 1: there isn't guaranteed money there. So it's come in prove 1718 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,840 Speaker 1: you can still play, make the roster, earn your keep. 1719 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,639 Speaker 1: And that's largely the way that coach McDermot and Brandon 1720 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:03,360 Speaker 1: being operates, especially with guys that need an opportunity to 1721 01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,200 Speaker 1: prove that they can still play in this league. What 1722 01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 1: do you think? Give us your thoughts on that the 1723 01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Bills greeded turns with Josh Norman. The first move of 1724 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,800 Speaker 1: the free agency moves by the Bills, the first real 1725 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,000 Speaker 1: offseason move for the Bills, And what's the next move 1726 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,800 Speaker 1: for the Bills? What do you think? Eight three five 1727 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,120 Speaker 1: fifty toll free from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight 1728 01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,840 Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty bone nine is wide open. 1729 01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,040 Speaker 1: Got a Twitter poll on this topic. What's the next 1730 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,640 Speaker 1: move for the Bills this offseason? Sixty percent of you 1731 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,120 Speaker 1: say resign one of their own A long list of 1732 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,920 Speaker 1: Bills players last year who are getting our week away 1733 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,519 Speaker 1: from hitting the free agent market. Twenty six percent of 1734 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,280 Speaker 1: you say wait until the market opens and then go 1735 01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,759 Speaker 1: after the other guys who are out there the whole 1736 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, list of free agents who might be available. 1737 01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,519 Speaker 1: Only fourteen percent say they're going to make another signing 1738 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,160 Speaker 1: the street free agent before free agency next week. What 1739 01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,200 Speaker 1: do you think? Eight three fifty toll free one eight 1740 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,840 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifties. Yeah, there's a 1741 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,240 Speaker 1: part of me that wonders are some of the Twitter 1742 01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,439 Speaker 1: respondents voting with what they'd like the Bills to do 1743 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,679 Speaker 1: more than what they think the Bills will do. Because 1744 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,720 Speaker 1: that's sixty percent number I've I've got to believe means 1745 01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot of Shack Lawson in Jordan Fillers, you 1746 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I almost think some people 1747 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,120 Speaker 1: voted with their hearts saying, well, I hope the Bills 1748 01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,439 Speaker 1: do this instead of what they actually think the bills 1749 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,479 Speaker 1: next step will be in terms of their personal plans. 1750 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,040 Speaker 1: From the tweet sheet brought to you by Cargan Moving Systems, 1751 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,200 Speaker 1: the official movers of the Buffalo Bills from Chris Chris says, 1752 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,160 Speaker 1: I wish the Bills would have waited. There's going to 1753 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,599 Speaker 1: be better options. Release. Norman was not the same guy 1754 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,160 Speaker 1: he used to be. Seemed much slower. I don't know. 1755 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,760 Speaker 1: I didn't watch enough Washington Redskins football to see whether 1756 01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,040 Speaker 1: he's Certainly, the production fell off and that playing time 1757 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,519 Speaker 1: fell off. At the end of the year. We talked 1758 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,639 Speaker 1: about that a lot. I mean, I'll be the first 1759 01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,880 Speaker 1: to admit that speed at the cornerback position is probably 1760 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,720 Speaker 1: as important as anywhere on the field, maybe with the 1761 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:55,400 Speaker 1: exception of defensive end, but in this scheme, you don't 1762 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,280 Speaker 1: have to be a burner at corner to be an 1763 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,360 Speaker 1: effective player and leave walls is proof of that. I mean, 1764 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 1: Levi Wallace run at the combine four six six and 1765 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,400 Speaker 1: he's an effective player in this defense. So yes, Josh 1766 01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,320 Speaker 1: Norman is not what he used to be. I don't 1767 01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,240 Speaker 1: think there's any question about that. But that's why they 1768 01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:17,040 Speaker 1: got him at what I think is a relatively affordable 1769 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:21,960 Speaker 1: price of six million dollars base salary only. And we'll 1770 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,320 Speaker 1: see what he's got. Because how much do you think 1771 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,880 Speaker 1: the Bills And they've never never, never would say this, 1772 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,120 Speaker 1: but do you feel like the Bills, being to McDermot, 1773 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,559 Speaker 1: feel like they have a they're desperate to get an 1774 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,920 Speaker 1: upgraded corner from Levi Wallace last year. I don't think desperate, 1775 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: and I think the reason why is again, this is 1776 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,240 Speaker 1: a defense that's rooted in a lot of zone concepts. 1777 01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,920 Speaker 1: They play a good deal of zone coverages and it's 1778 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:53,080 Speaker 1: a defense that works because of player to player communication, 1779 01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,439 Speaker 1: not supreme man to man cover talent. That's why it works. 1780 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,080 Speaker 1: You need smart player is playing in it. But the 1781 01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,639 Speaker 1: rules are generally simple talking to the players where even 1782 01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,280 Speaker 1: if you're thrown a curveball by an opposing offense. There 1783 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,080 Speaker 1: are simple rules to fall back on so they don't 1784 01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,760 Speaker 1: get killed on a play and can still play it 1785 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,080 Speaker 1: effectively enough where they're not getting hurt. And I think 1786 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,840 Speaker 1: because of that, there are a lot of players who 1787 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,160 Speaker 1: maybe if they're falling off of what they were at 1788 01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,879 Speaker 1: their peak as a player, they can still be effective 1789 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,200 Speaker 1: in this scheme, and I think Josh Norman has the 1790 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,800 Speaker 1: potential to be an example of that. One. More from 1791 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the tweet sheet from Big Mike. Big Mike tweets in Hey, 1792 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,320 Speaker 1: good afternoon, Murph and Chris. I've heard a lot. I've 1793 01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,720 Speaker 1: heard a ton on free agent edge rushes such as 1794 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,720 Speaker 1: Yannick and Goakway or Jademon Clowney, even Bud Dupree. But 1795 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,559 Speaker 1: I think Dante Fowler would be a better scheme fit, 1796 01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and he blew up backfields in Los Angeles. I also 1797 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,680 Speaker 1: think his injuries are behind him. Let me know what 1798 01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,959 Speaker 1: you think about Dante Fowler. I think he'd be expensive. 1799 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,479 Speaker 1: For one. Looking at spot track, the market value for 1800 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,479 Speaker 1: Dante Voler has him at fourteen million by comparisons. For 1801 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: comparison to Saint Robert Quinn made about six million last year, 1802 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,559 Speaker 1: So I think that he'd be a lot of money 1803 01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,400 Speaker 1: Dante Fowler. And you're right about the injuries. You said 1804 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,160 Speaker 1: you think his injuries are behind him. I think the 1805 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,519 Speaker 1: Bills wouldn't want to look at that, whether his injuries 1806 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:20,880 Speaker 1: were in fact. And I don't know if they want 1807 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,920 Speaker 1: to spend sixteen million dollars a year on a free 1808 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,360 Speaker 1: agent pass Rusher. I just don't think they're in that market. 1809 01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,719 Speaker 1: What do you think, Chris Well? I think he's probably 1810 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,880 Speaker 1: going to be available because we know the Rams don't 1811 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of cap space and certainly not to 1812 01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:40,160 Speaker 1: accommodate him, and so the general consensus is he is 1813 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,720 Speaker 1: going to be out there and available. I think what 1814 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:48,800 Speaker 1: you have to weigh is how effective he was. Knowing 1815 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,439 Speaker 1: that all of the attention on that defensive line has 1816 01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,080 Speaker 1: pointed towards one man and that's Aaron Donald, and so 1817 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,360 Speaker 1: knowing that Dante Fowler was largely seeing one on ones 1818 01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,080 Speaker 1: just about every single play that he was on the 1819 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,160 Speaker 1: field with Aaron Donald, begs the question, that's where you're 1820 01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,800 Speaker 1: really relying on your evaluators. You know your pro personnel staff, 1821 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,000 Speaker 1: Did this guy? Was this guy productive? Because Aaron Donald 1822 01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,280 Speaker 1: was you know next to him on the line or 1823 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,760 Speaker 1: did he win all on his own? And how will 1824 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,920 Speaker 1: he perform if he's the focal point of your defensive line, 1825 01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,120 Speaker 1: if you put him on your squad, which I think 1826 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,360 Speaker 1: could very well be the case. If he signs in Buffalo, 1827 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:30,599 Speaker 1: he would be the chief concern of opponents. And does 1828 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,599 Speaker 1: he does he match the production? Is he just as 1829 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,560 Speaker 1: effective as he was for the Rams last year? I 1830 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,519 Speaker 1: don't know that's for the trained eye to ascertain and 1831 01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,320 Speaker 1: attach a value to him. But those are the kinds 1832 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,440 Speaker 1: of conversations that are going on in January and February 1833 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:52,320 Speaker 1: when these pro personnel staffs are assessing who their potential 1834 01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,720 Speaker 1: targets should be, how to rank him, and how much 1835 01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,439 Speaker 1: to pay him. All Right, Hey, we're talking about Josh Norman. 1836 01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,320 Speaker 1: Who's agreed terms of the bills. We're gonna talk with 1837 01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:03,400 Speaker 1: the guy who saw a lot of Josh Norman the 1838 01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,559 Speaker 1: last four years with the Washington Redskins. Former NFL running 1839 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,080 Speaker 1: back Clinton portis standing body to join us talk about 1840 01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,920 Speaker 1: Josh Norman, what he might bring you the bills that's 1841 01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,240 Speaker 1: coming up next One Bills Live presented by Seneca or 1842 01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah presented by Seneca resorts in Casino. Nothing comes close. 1843 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:33,960 Speaker 1: We're back with more from Buffalo Bills Radio. Hello Hills 1844 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,439 Speaker 1: Radio Network Sports got the update from One Bills Live. 1845 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,720 Speaker 1: The Bills reportedly have agreed to a one year deal 1846 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,760 Speaker 1: worth six million dollars with venteran cornerback Josh Norman. It 1847 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,240 Speaker 1: could reach eight million dollars in that one year with incentives. 1848 01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,280 Speaker 1: Norman reunited with head coach Sean McDermott and general manager 1849 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,720 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean, who were with the Carolina Panthers when he 1850 01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,720 Speaker 1: played there. He spent the last four years with the 1851 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,759 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins. Bill's GM Brandon being confirmed at the combined 1852 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,439 Speaker 1: that the team had spoken with Norman after his release 1853 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,960 Speaker 1: from Washington. That was back on February fourteen. Bill's likely 1854 01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,120 Speaker 1: to keep Levy Wallace on the roster and let Norman 1855 01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,200 Speaker 1: compete for a cornerback spot. Bill's also said to be 1856 01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:16,559 Speaker 1: interested in defensive lineman Dj Reader from the Houston Texans, 1857 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,200 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. That's, according to Aaron Wilson of the 1858 01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,760 Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle, those looking for relief from for some of 1859 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,880 Speaker 1: their defensive lineman, and it may be Dj Reader from 1860 01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,760 Speaker 1: the Texans who provides that relief NFL Board of Player 1861 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,240 Speaker 1: Representatives has decided to extend the deadline for voting on 1862 01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,519 Speaker 1: the proposed Collective Bargaining Agreement. It was going to be 1863 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,320 Speaker 1: Thursday at midnight. It's pushed back two days to Saturday 1864 01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,639 Speaker 1: at midnight. The goal of the extension is to give 1865 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,479 Speaker 1: players more time to digest the four hundred and fifty 1866 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,800 Speaker 1: six pages in the proposed CBA. Player rep meetings are 1867 01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,320 Speaker 1: going on today and keep his game Florida. The NFL 1868 01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,080 Speaker 1: and players want to tell their teammates of conversations held 1869 01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,120 Speaker 1: in the meeting room so they can be better informed 1870 01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,519 Speaker 1: about the details of the proposed deal, and the deal 1871 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,879 Speaker 1: will not even be voted on now until Saturday. Franchise 1872 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,200 Speaker 1: tag deadline remains on Thursday. Reportedly, one of the team's 1873 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,719 Speaker 1: pondering using the franchise tag is the New York Giants. 1874 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,240 Speaker 1: They may put the franchise tender on defensive lineman Leonard Williams. 1875 01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,160 Speaker 1: Williams and the Giants not close to a contract extension, 1876 01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,800 Speaker 1: according to NFL Network, Saints planned to put a first 1877 01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,000 Speaker 1: round tender on restricted free agent quarterback Taysom Hill. According 1878 01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,320 Speaker 1: to ESPN, that would mean another team would have to 1879 01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,439 Speaker 1: give up a first round pick to sign him away. 1880 01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,720 Speaker 1: The Saints also have the right to match any offer 1881 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,280 Speaker 1: that Hill might receive, and the Savers try to snap 1882 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,040 Speaker 1: a six game losing street. Tonight Paume against the Washington 1883 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,800 Speaker 1: Capitol seven o'clock the Key Banks Center, second of three 1884 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,920 Speaker 1: meetings for team the Savers and the Caps this season. 1885 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,080 Speaker 1: That's the update from One Goal's Life. John Murphy. Chris 1886 01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,840 Speaker 1: Brown is in for Steve Tasker today. Chris is back 1887 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,439 Speaker 1: with US Live tomorrow talking a little bit about the 1888 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Bill's agreement in principle with cornerback Josh Norman, the venteran 1889 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,680 Speaker 1: who spent four years with the Washington Redskins. Our next 1890 01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,559 Speaker 1: guest was the analyst on the Redskins radio network who 1891 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,559 Speaker 1: watched him play former Redskins and Broncos running back two 1892 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,800 Speaker 1: Pro bowled appearances two thousand and three and two thousand 1893 01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,519 Speaker 1: and eight. Happy to have Clinton port us on the 1894 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,840 Speaker 1: line with US Clinton. Hello, John Murphy and and Chris 1895 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,479 Speaker 1: Brown up here in Buffalo. Thanks coming on, Hey, no 1896 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,240 Speaker 1: problem man, Thanks for having What happened to Josh Norman 1897 01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,479 Speaker 1: last year? He just lost his playing time at the 1898 01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,320 Speaker 1: end of the year on last third of the season. Yeah, 1899 01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,559 Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those situations where 1900 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,760 Speaker 1: Josh needed a new team and being paired again with 1901 01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:24,640 Speaker 1: coach McDermott, who kind of got Josh to that mentality 1902 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,639 Speaker 1: and that household name I think is great for his career. 1903 01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,840 Speaker 1: What do you how would you describe twenty nineteen for him? Why? 1904 01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,720 Speaker 1: Why the ups and downs that he experienced? What was 1905 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,880 Speaker 1: what was the I guess what was the vibe like 1906 01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,720 Speaker 1: around that team last season? You know obviously with the 1907 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,479 Speaker 1: with the turmoil with the coaching staff and and everything. Well, 1908 01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,360 Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those points when 1909 01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,519 Speaker 1: you have a lot of change, when you're in turn 1910 01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,040 Speaker 1: or enduring a lot of change, things like that happened. 1911 01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, I won't say it's just Josh's fault. So 1912 01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,720 Speaker 1: you look at the situation and count of the technique 1913 01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,600 Speaker 1: or the defense that we was playing wasn't suitable for 1914 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,280 Speaker 1: Josh Norman? You know? Is that the defense that made 1915 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,519 Speaker 1: Josh Norman a household name. Not knowing how to use 1916 01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,559 Speaker 1: your personnel or not using your personnel correctly could put 1917 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,840 Speaker 1: anyone in that position. I think when you look at Josh, 1918 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,760 Speaker 1: a guy who came in very confident that was a 1919 01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,240 Speaker 1: task with being the face of an organization or the 1920 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,720 Speaker 1: savior of a defense. It takes a lot more than 1921 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,400 Speaker 1: just you. You know, I think it's an overall team 1922 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,360 Speaker 1: and scheme wise, I'm not sure we put Josh in 1923 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,599 Speaker 1: a position the best position to go out and defeat, 1924 01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean compete. And you know, when your act and 1925 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:51,120 Speaker 1: you have so much attention paid to you and your 1926 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:56,240 Speaker 1: performance and the production is not where people are expected 1927 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,360 Speaker 1: to be, these situations happen, and you know, I think 1928 01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,800 Speaker 1: for when you know you're giving your all or you're 1929 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,599 Speaker 1: trying your best and it's not paying it out, it's 1930 01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,479 Speaker 1: one of those minds, you know, It's one of those 1931 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,200 Speaker 1: things that played with you in your head. So I 1932 01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,439 Speaker 1: think for Josh, just a reset, a change of scenery 1933 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,400 Speaker 1: is great. My partner here today, Chris Brown Clinton, talks 1934 01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,840 Speaker 1: about how Washington may have played more man defense in 1935 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,320 Speaker 1: the backfield than zone. Then maybe that Josh Norman was 1936 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,200 Speaker 1: not comfortable in that scheme. Is that kind of what 1937 01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,479 Speaker 1: you're referring to there? Yeah, I just don't know up 1938 01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,679 Speaker 1: the scheme. You know, if you think of Josh Norman 1939 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,360 Speaker 1: and Carolina and how physical of a cornerback he was 1940 01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,360 Speaker 1: and how much of a playmaker he was with the 1941 01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:42,200 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers compared to Josh Norman with the Washington Ritz 1942 01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,560 Speaker 1: And as you say, something is missing, and whether it 1943 01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,680 Speaker 1: was a scheme, the communication amongst players, or the d 1944 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,640 Speaker 1: line not having the same Britz not being able to 1945 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,120 Speaker 1: jump routes, we don't know what it was because we 1946 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,120 Speaker 1: don't know all the play calls. But at the end 1947 01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,800 Speaker 1: of the day, it was just a relationship that didn't work. 1948 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,840 Speaker 1: You know, it didn't keep Josh Norman at the top 1949 01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,080 Speaker 1: as one of the top corners in the NFL. And 1950 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,760 Speaker 1: I think Josh fields is if he has something to 1951 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,840 Speaker 1: put them and I think teaming back up with coach 1952 01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,320 Speaker 1: mc dermott gives him the best chance at proven that. 1953 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,880 Speaker 1: How do you take the fact that you know, the 1954 01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,800 Speaker 1: new head coach for Washington, Ron Rivera, also a guy 1955 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,680 Speaker 1: that's very familiar with what Josh Norman Cannon cannot do. 1956 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,840 Speaker 1: It was his head coach in Carolina. Do you think 1957 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,639 Speaker 1: that what spoke louder was the fact that the team 1958 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,200 Speaker 1: could save twelve million dollars on the cap by moving 1959 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,759 Speaker 1: on from Josh or or do you think that maybe 1960 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,599 Speaker 1: coach Rivera tried to fight for him a little bit 1961 01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,439 Speaker 1: or was the cap savings just too great to ignore? Well, 1962 01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:47,240 Speaker 1: I think the cap saving was too great to ignore. Um, 1963 01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, similar to josh situation. This happened to me. 1964 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,800 Speaker 1: You know when when coach Gibbs, I mean when Coach 1965 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,720 Speaker 1: Senegan came out to DC, I was at the end 1966 01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,559 Speaker 1: of my career. Everyone felt like, oh, this is gonna 1967 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,000 Speaker 1: be a match made to heaven. But the writing was 1968 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,280 Speaker 1: already on the wall, you know, And it's not a situation. 1969 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,760 Speaker 1: Although it was great to have that year with coach 1970 01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,479 Speaker 1: Shanahan and back with Bobby t, it was just one 1971 01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,720 Speaker 1: of those situations in your mind mentally, you know, like, man, 1972 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,760 Speaker 1: this is the end for me, you know, like I'm done, 1973 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:25,280 Speaker 1: Like everything is already done, and you don't really have 1974 01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,080 Speaker 1: that determination or that want to to go out and 1975 01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,840 Speaker 1: continue to try to prove something to a city or 1976 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:36,519 Speaker 1: to an organization that doesn't see your value. I think 1977 01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,720 Speaker 1: that was just one of the situations that Josh ended 1978 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,599 Speaker 1: up in. Whereas Josh still feels as if he could play. 1979 01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,400 Speaker 1: But if you listen to the talk around the DMV, 1980 01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,680 Speaker 1: people felt like, oh, Josh is ready to retire, and 1981 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,519 Speaker 1: Josh wants to go and be a superstar, a movie star, 1982 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,439 Speaker 1: or something else. So again that market, with the attention 1983 01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,839 Speaker 1: that was paid to him, I think going to Buffalo 1984 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,839 Speaker 1: gives him a chance to just go focus on his craft, 1985 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,920 Speaker 1: all right with Clinton, Porter's former Redskins Broncos running back, 1986 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,080 Speaker 1: current analysts for the Redskins radio network. He's thirty two 1987 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,920 Speaker 1: years old. Clinton, how much football do you think Josh 1988 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,559 Speaker 1: Norman has left? Well, I mean in today's game, if 1989 01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,840 Speaker 1: you could run, if you know, if Josh gets in 1990 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,960 Speaker 1: the situation where he can prove he can continuously run, 1991 01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,400 Speaker 1: I think the knowledge for dB is always welcome. You 1992 01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,760 Speaker 1: see DB's play to late thirties. You know he's not 1993 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:33,120 Speaker 1: a running back, is not a physical presence that is required. 1994 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,880 Speaker 1: You know, as a dB, you just need to be 1995 01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,120 Speaker 1: able to run and keep guys from getting behind you. 1996 01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,160 Speaker 1: So as long as he can do that, and as 1997 01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,400 Speaker 1: long as he has that driver, will I think he 1998 01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,360 Speaker 1: can play, you know, another three or four years. But 1999 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,519 Speaker 1: when you get to this point, you know, and you're 2000 01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:53,240 Speaker 1: not the guy in the locker room, or you're not 2001 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,560 Speaker 1: the focal point on the defense, and quarterbacks start to 2002 01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,840 Speaker 1: attack you. If you can't keep up, you know, the 2003 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,800 Speaker 1: mentality change. Just how do you kind of see where 2004 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,479 Speaker 1: Washington is at now? You know you've got a new 2005 01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,839 Speaker 1: head coach obviously in Rivera, And you know you mentioned 2006 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,479 Speaker 1: that Norman was somewhat of a focal point on the 2007 01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:14,720 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball for that team the last 2008 01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,400 Speaker 1: few years. Certainly Trent Williams was a focal point on 2009 01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,800 Speaker 1: the offensive side, and now it looks like he's going 2010 01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:23,840 Speaker 1: to be out the door before next season starts. So 2011 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:29,840 Speaker 1: where is this team in terms of its building and structure? 2012 01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,760 Speaker 1: Is it a rebuilding team? Is it a retooling team? 2013 01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,680 Speaker 1: How would you describe it? Well, I think of it 2014 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,200 Speaker 1: as retooling because if you honestly look at this team, 2015 01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,120 Speaker 1: you got a couple couple positions of me. But if 2016 01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,960 Speaker 1: you could feel those positions, you have a bunch of 2017 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:50,120 Speaker 1: young talent they got experienced over these last couple of years. 2018 01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,000 Speaker 1: You start it on the fistive side of the ball, 2019 01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:56,000 Speaker 1: where the yard cornerback and stepped up and played great 2020 01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:02,080 Speaker 1: after getting their opportunity after Josh Norman, uh was bitch. 2021 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,679 Speaker 1: And you look at the offensive side of the ball, 2022 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,320 Speaker 1: I think you got Terry McLaurin to build on. If 2023 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,920 Speaker 1: Hastas is going to be your quarterback. You gotta be 2024 01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,600 Speaker 1: excited about having a young guy hask the um. You 2025 01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,200 Speaker 1: look at the receiving corps. I was really high on 2026 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,599 Speaker 1: Sim's junior, and I think he's becoming a household name. 2027 01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:24,120 Speaker 1: When you look at Calvin Hormon, that's another guy, Calvin Harmon, 2028 01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,120 Speaker 1: that's another guy that can make place. So your pieces 2029 01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,400 Speaker 1: away you gotta replace. You get a tight end, but 2030 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,600 Speaker 1: your tight end position already knew that, you know, not 2031 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,120 Speaker 1: having joined read. Uh. If you can go on hand 2032 01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,400 Speaker 1: a keyth free agent height end. You know, if Austin 2033 01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:43,559 Speaker 1: Hooper comes to the Washington Redskins, Uh, that's a much 2034 01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:48,320 Speaker 1: a much needed position field. You know, offensive line you 2035 01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,640 Speaker 1: could focus on. If you go out and add a 2036 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,000 Speaker 1: guy in the draft, you're only a couple of pieces away. Uh. 2037 01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:56,720 Speaker 1: And then your culture is changing. You know, I think 2038 01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:01,720 Speaker 1: having coach was very end. Their culture has changing. You 2039 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:06,000 Speaker 1: saw what Coach Rivera did with Caroline and only having 2040 01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,240 Speaker 1: a few superstars on that team. You know, you think 2041 01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,840 Speaker 1: of juniors Peppers and you think of Tommy Davis and 2042 01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:17,240 Speaker 1: Luke Keaton. Those guys weren't outside of Julius Peppers, those 2043 01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:20,240 Speaker 1: guys weren't the talk of the NFL draft when they 2044 01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:26,160 Speaker 1: came out. They became all all NFL team players, but 2045 01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,240 Speaker 1: they weren't the highest sought after guys coming out in 2046 01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,559 Speaker 1: the draft. You know, you look at Steve Smith, who 2047 01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,120 Speaker 1: was a great receiver, Moose and Muhammad, those guys weren't 2048 01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:40,160 Speaker 1: looked at as the best wire receivers in the NFL, 2049 01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,000 Speaker 1: but they were some of the most productive wire receivers. 2050 01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,240 Speaker 1: So if you can get that kind of production out 2051 01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,560 Speaker 1: of Coach Rivera with these guys, I think you have 2052 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,080 Speaker 1: no consumer. Hey Clinton, you mentioned Dwayne Haskins. They got 2053 01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,799 Speaker 1: him in the first round last year, that Washington Redskins. 2054 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,720 Speaker 1: Then are they in fact happy with Haskins. I keep 2055 01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,280 Speaker 1: hearing scattered reports that maybe they'd look at drafting another 2056 01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:02,600 Speaker 1: quarterback this. Do they like Askings that much? Well, I 2057 01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,760 Speaker 1: haven't been in those war rooms, so I think me 2058 01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,560 Speaker 1: Haskins has to have the mindset that he's going to 2059 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,360 Speaker 1: be the guy. And you can't worry about the conversation 2060 01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,960 Speaker 1: and talking because there's always conversation and talking. You really 2061 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,280 Speaker 1: attention to sports, You're always looking to be the place, 2062 01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:23,920 Speaker 1: no matter who is, everyone is looking to finding next year, 2063 01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:28,000 Speaker 1: the next best Patrick Mahomes or the next best Whome 2064 01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:31,520 Speaker 1: ever was taught this year. You know, Lamar Jackson. Everybody 2065 01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,840 Speaker 1: wants to next. So uh. For for Haskins, I think 2066 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,400 Speaker 1: he just has to have the mindset that he's going 2067 01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,080 Speaker 1: to be the starting quarterback of the Washington Redskins until 2068 01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,639 Speaker 1: told otherwise. Uh, and go out and play his game. 2069 01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,880 Speaker 1: You know, you look at the situation that he was 2070 01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,280 Speaker 1: brought in. Uh, it was so much turmol not having 2071 01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,880 Speaker 1: Trent Williams, trying to adjust your offensive line, not having 2072 01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Reads, not having to go to receiver until Haskins 2073 01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,640 Speaker 1: and uh Sam's junior, until those guys emerge as playmakers 2074 01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,479 Speaker 1: and you have some stability like those last four games 2075 01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,640 Speaker 1: in the season. So I think Haskins has a lot 2076 01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,439 Speaker 1: of growing to do him on court to grow with. 2077 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,760 Speaker 1: I want to switch gears a little bit and talk 2078 01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,640 Speaker 1: about a running back. I know you gotta look at 2079 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, your university in Miami days. You probably still 2080 01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,920 Speaker 1: get down to South Florida every once in a while, 2081 01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,600 Speaker 1: and there was a young running back down there by 2082 01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,439 Speaker 1: the name of Devin Singletary. He was now up here 2083 01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,360 Speaker 1: in Buffalo, had a really productive rookie season. What have 2084 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,280 Speaker 1: been your opportunities to kind of see him at work 2085 01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,559 Speaker 1: and what do you think of his future? Well, first off, 2086 01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, I look at the guy that's mentoring him. 2087 01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,599 Speaker 1: You know, Frankie g as a hell of a ball 2088 01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,840 Speaker 1: player man and a first ballot Hall of Famer and 2089 01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,280 Speaker 1: a former teammate of mine. So I know the work 2090 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,960 Speaker 1: that Frankie Gee puts in. And I know how much 2091 01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,559 Speaker 1: Frankie g adores Singletary and how much he takes him 2092 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,400 Speaker 1: under his wing. You know, he's called me from the 2093 01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:02,400 Speaker 1: locker room a few times arguements with Singletary. That's so 2094 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,280 Speaker 1: I could be the final word. So having the opportunity 2095 01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,519 Speaker 1: to watch him and his development, the first thing I 2096 01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,640 Speaker 1: say is how the hell did he go to the 2097 01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:15,800 Speaker 1: University of Miami? Why was he at FAU? That's first off. 2098 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,200 Speaker 1: But watching his success, I got the opportunity to speak 2099 01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:23,200 Speaker 1: to him at FAU. Uh, and I watched him in college, 2100 01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,240 Speaker 1: and I talked to him after the draft and seeing 2101 01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:37,599 Speaker 1: him in Buffalo Kid, we're losing him button, are you there? Still? Yes? Okay, 2102 01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:42,160 Speaker 1: finish ahead. It was really exciting to me because that's 2103 01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,200 Speaker 1: one of those names. No one talked about it in 2104 01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:48,639 Speaker 1: the draft, no one was on the singletary bandwagon. Oh 2105 01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,920 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be great, and all of a sudden 2106 01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,840 Speaker 1: you overlooked so many guys, And you know, I think 2107 01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,320 Speaker 1: it's just having the right mindset, having the right focus. 2108 01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,800 Speaker 1: And that's a guy that has that focus, that has 2109 01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,760 Speaker 1: that determination to go out and take care of his 2110 01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:07,600 Speaker 1: family and feed his family, and he loves football. And 2111 01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:12,000 Speaker 1: those are the kind of players you gotta have within organization, 2112 01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:16,000 Speaker 1: college or NFL. But you know, with the media, we 2113 01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,200 Speaker 1: don't give them their just to we don't pay them 2114 01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:21,719 Speaker 1: their respects because it's like, oh, senior Ary out of FAU, 2115 01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,720 Speaker 1: Who's who's excited about that name? You know, and then 2116 01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,439 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you see his play and it's like, oh, 2117 01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,240 Speaker 1: this guy is great, this guy's excellent. He was great 2118 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,479 Speaker 1: at FAU. I think for what he did at FAU, 2119 01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:37,000 Speaker 1: the success he had all of a sudden turned into 2120 01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,479 Speaker 1: the NFL is not surprising to me. Hey, before we 2121 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,200 Speaker 1: let you go, Clinton, I'm intrigued, what sort of arguments 2122 01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,000 Speaker 1: would you settle between Devin and Frank Core What were 2123 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,519 Speaker 1: they arguing about that you had to step in and 2124 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,720 Speaker 1: tell them the right deal? They argue about everything, the 2125 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,479 Speaker 1: best players, the best players from Miami. Frank always has 2126 01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:57,280 Speaker 1: something going on. Frank is always Frank is probably one 2127 01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,320 Speaker 1: of those adamant supporters that the tooth was in the 2128 01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:04,839 Speaker 1: one back field that we had with myself him, Willis 2129 01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:08,200 Speaker 1: Night J. Jared Payne was the best all the time. 2130 01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess you run across a 2131 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,120 Speaker 1: bunch of guys who feel otherwise, who you know, want 2132 01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,960 Speaker 1: to look at Alabama backs or anything else. I call 2133 01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:20,200 Speaker 1: these guys and Frank always made the call, like porters 2134 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,960 Speaker 1: tell these dudes like, man, they couldn't have played with us, 2135 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,040 Speaker 1: like they couldn't have went to the you. You know 2136 01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,320 Speaker 1: he called and he's just one of those guys like 2137 01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,160 Speaker 1: these guys wouldn't have fit in at you. I keep 2138 01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,559 Speaker 1: trying to tell the porters like they wouldn't have played 2139 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,639 Speaker 1: at you in two thousand and one, and I'm like, yeah, 2140 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,760 Speaker 1: now he don't have it. You know. He's the same 2141 01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,000 Speaker 1: way with the young kid, the dB that you all 2142 01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:46,880 Speaker 1: have from Miami who I love, Uh Yeah, Johnson, j 2143 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,000 Speaker 1: J H. Jaquan. So he called me all the time, 2144 01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,639 Speaker 1: arguing with Jaquan about him not being able to play 2145 01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:56,920 Speaker 1: at you him because of Red and Sean t and 2146 01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,920 Speaker 1: and trailing you know, Jaquan fields as if he could 2147 01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:02,439 Speaker 1: played in any error, and I'm like, nah, man, I 2148 01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,680 Speaker 1: don't think you would touch the field. But you know, 2149 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the Klan, so I always 2150 01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:08,600 Speaker 1: got to give him a hard time as well. So 2151 01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:13,200 Speaker 1: most of the disagreements were over Miami hurricane stuff. Flank 2152 01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,400 Speaker 1: is not much that Frank don't argue about, so it's 2153 01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:19,800 Speaker 1: definitely over my American. Hey, Clinton, thanks for this. Good 2154 01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:23,120 Speaker 1: to catch everything. Thank you very much. Ain't no problem, man, 2155 01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,200 Speaker 1: you all take care. Clinton Porter's former Redskins and Broncos 2156 01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,400 Speaker 1: running back and radio analysts on the Washington Redskins Radio 2157 01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,960 Speaker 1: network talking to us about Josh Norman, who signed a 2158 01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,240 Speaker 1: one year deal or hasn't signed yet apparently, but he's 2159 01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,280 Speaker 1: agreed to terms on a one year deal with the 2160 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:41,760 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Interesting stuff. I don't I don't know what 2161 01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:46,200 Speaker 1: to make of Ron Rivera not going hard to keep 2162 01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:48,479 Speaker 1: him and unless it was just solely a money deal, 2163 01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,719 Speaker 1: and it's got to be, you know, twelve million dollars 2164 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,960 Speaker 1: you know for a team. I think that that that's 2165 01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,120 Speaker 1: trying to rebuild. I mean, Clinton Porters told us he 2166 01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,840 Speaker 1: thinks they're retooling. I think there's a lot of work 2167 01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,760 Speaker 1: to be done there in Washington just to compete in 2168 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,479 Speaker 1: their own division, let alone the league in the NFC 2169 01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,439 Speaker 1: not a great division, not a great division, but there's 2170 01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:12,720 Speaker 1: talent in that division that that certainly is superior to 2171 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:16,200 Speaker 1: what there's There are teams with collections of talent that 2172 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,120 Speaker 1: are better than than what Washington has right now. Philly 2173 01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,280 Speaker 1: has more talent on their roster and so does Dallas 2174 01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,280 Speaker 1: um So that's two teams. You gotta leap frog in 2175 01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:30,360 Speaker 1: your own division. And to me, it's going to take 2176 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:34,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's not happening this year. They have 2177 01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,160 Speaker 1: to draft uncommonly. Well, they could get a cornerstone piece 2178 01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,479 Speaker 1: at two. You know, if they get Chase Young, they 2179 01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:43,519 Speaker 1: can get a cornerstone pass rusher and you know take 2180 01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,920 Speaker 1: it from there. But there there are a lot of 2181 01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,280 Speaker 1: pieces and a lot of holes that have to be filled. 2182 01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:52,559 Speaker 1: And to me, if you're the Washington Redskins, a thirty 2183 01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,519 Speaker 1: two year old Josh Norman at that price tag just 2184 01:51:55,640 --> 01:52:00,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make fiscal sense for where you're going. So you're 2185 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,800 Speaker 1: better off putting a young player on the field to 2186 01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,080 Speaker 1: take his lumps at that position. Know when you're probably 2187 01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,880 Speaker 1: not going to the playoffs in twenty twenty, so he's 2188 01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,719 Speaker 1: that much better for you in twenty twenty one, before 2189 01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,840 Speaker 1: we talked to Clinton portis a moment ago and even after. 2190 01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't have a strong sense of what the Washington 2191 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,760 Speaker 1: Redskins think of Dwayne Haskins, if they're all in on 2192 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:23,040 Speaker 1: him as their future franchise quarterback. You know, they've been 2193 01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,599 Speaker 1: pretty strong reports out of Washington that they would look 2194 01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,160 Speaker 1: at drafting another quarterback this year, one year after drafting 2195 01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,600 Speaker 1: him with what the fifteenth overall pick last year. And 2196 01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,080 Speaker 1: I see why he played okay last year. He got better. 2197 01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,160 Speaker 1: I guess this season went along. But I don't have 2198 01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:36,960 Speaker 1: a sense that they're all in on him yet, and 2199 01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe a new coach even more so with round Revere there. 2200 01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:42,200 Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, I know Snyder likes him 2201 01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,360 Speaker 1: an awful lot. I guess at least I had heard 2202 01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,360 Speaker 1: that Snyder's son went to college with Haskins, and so 2203 01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:56,120 Speaker 1: that's where the relationship started and bloomed. And when Snyder 2204 01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,599 Speaker 1: has his favorites, I think he very rarely moves off 2205 01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:01,240 Speaker 1: of them. I think they would have to be some 2206 01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:05,960 Speaker 1: kind of major pr nightmare for him to turn his 2207 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,360 Speaker 1: back on somebody that he likes that's on his roster, 2208 01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:12,280 Speaker 1: so well, he wanted him make the calls go ahead, 2209 01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,040 Speaker 1: more power to you. Well, I don't know. I'm not 2210 01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:16,519 Speaker 1: saying I want him to be, but he's the owner. 2211 01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean what, no matter what you want to do, 2212 01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,000 Speaker 1: he is going to make the calls because that's how 2213 01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,080 Speaker 1: he operates him. That's why that's been a floweryranchise for 2214 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,600 Speaker 1: the better part of the last twenty years. So you know, 2215 01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:28,960 Speaker 1: I think he's probably the guy, at least for this year. 2216 01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that doesn't mean they're going to consider 2217 01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:35,640 Speaker 1: drafting another one. I suppose they could because they have 2218 01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,360 Speaker 1: a new GM and a head coach in place now. 2219 01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:42,240 Speaker 1: But still, in all I just knowing how Snyder operates, 2220 01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:44,640 Speaker 1: I think he he it's more important for him to 2221 01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:47,400 Speaker 1: get his way than to do what's right by his team. 2222 01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:51,080 Speaker 1: So why I think it'll be Haskins. Did I overstep? No, 2223 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:56,800 Speaker 1: you just buried the Redskins doing anything. And I like 2224 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,599 Speaker 1: Ron Rivera as a coach, but I think he's got 2225 01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:01,880 Speaker 1: a major your uphill battle, you better have a pickaxe 2226 01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:04,120 Speaker 1: and spikes. On the bottom of his hiking boots because 2227 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:05,600 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of climbing to do. Hey, what 2228 01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,360 Speaker 1: do you think of the report that the Bills have 2229 01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,960 Speaker 1: agreed to turns with Josh Norman? And what's their next 2230 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,479 Speaker 1: step in free agency? Do they get busy in the 2231 01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,559 Speaker 1: next week signing their own keeping their own guys who 2232 01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,519 Speaker 1: are gonna be on the free agent market? Do they 2233 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,960 Speaker 1: keep their own guys who won't be free agents this year? 2234 01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,040 Speaker 1: Do they go out and look at other street free 2235 01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,240 Speaker 1: agents guys they can sign in the next week, or 2236 01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,439 Speaker 1: do they just husband their resources and get ready for 2237 01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,720 Speaker 1: a free agency next week? What do you think the 2238 01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:31,240 Speaker 1: next move for the Bills following Josh Mormon Josh Norman signing, 2239 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,360 Speaker 1: plus we're gonna get to NFL True and false. In 2240 01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,080 Speaker 1: the next segment, you can phone us up with your 2241 01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,280 Speaker 1: responses to the question or whatever you'd like to talk about. 2242 01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,200 Speaker 1: Eight oh three five fifty toll free one eight eight 2243 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,240 Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. It's one Bills Live, 2244 01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:48,040 Speaker 1: presented by Kalidah Health Live from the Seneca Studio, Seneca 2245 01:54:48,120 --> 01:55:02,560 Speaker 1: Resorts and Casino. Nothing comes close. One Bills Live. John 2246 01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,320 Speaker 1: Robe and Chris Brown, Steve Casker's back tomorrow. We thank 2247 01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:08,400 Speaker 1: Christopher joining us today. I'm going to get to NFL 2248 01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,600 Speaker 1: true faults at a moment, Gonna get some more tweet 2249 01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,640 Speaker 1: sheets read from our Twitter poll. What's the next move 2250 01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,000 Speaker 1: for the Bills? Now they've got Josh Norman in the fold? 2251 01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,480 Speaker 1: Josh Norman agrees the terms on a contract cornerback, nine 2252 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,600 Speaker 1: year veteran. What's next for the Bills? What do you think? 2253 01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,160 Speaker 1: Phone nine's open? Eight three fifty toll free one eight 2254 01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,040 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. The news of 2255 01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:28,960 Speaker 1: the day It came out during the show the NFL 2256 01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:32,879 Speaker 1: Players Association as extended the voting deadline that were proposed 2257 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,880 Speaker 1: news CBA to Saturday night at midnight. It was Thursday 2258 01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,600 Speaker 1: night and night, Chris, did you see the note over 2259 01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,600 Speaker 1: the weekend? I guess it was this morning, maybe yesterday 2260 01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:42,880 Speaker 1: when I read it. Jeremy Fowler, who we've had on 2261 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,400 Speaker 1: the show before from ESPN said that a number of 2262 01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:49,200 Speaker 1: owners hope the new CBA is not approved by players 2263 01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,839 Speaker 1: because they think they can get a better deal, including 2264 01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,120 Speaker 1: an eighteen game regular season next year, and the owners 2265 01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind if the players voted to town. Do you 2266 01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,920 Speaker 1: believe that that's called posturing. Murph, I think it is. 2267 01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:04,560 Speaker 1: I think they are hearing the vocal minority, which is 2268 01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:08,800 Speaker 1: saying vote no for this deal, and so they're almost 2269 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:13,840 Speaker 1: trying to make the players feel, Oh, you don't want 2270 01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,760 Speaker 1: to vote for that perfect That's just what we want, 2271 01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,280 Speaker 1: because we're gonna ask for even more givebacks from you 2272 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,680 Speaker 1: guys than you're already given up. If you think you're 2273 01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:26,320 Speaker 1: giving up a lot, now wait till the renegotiation. I'm 2274 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:31,720 Speaker 1: telling you. As much as I respect the players wanting 2275 01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:36,040 Speaker 1: to get a deal that they think covers all the bases, 2276 01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in any negotiation, and it's certainly not 2277 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:45,200 Speaker 1: going to happen with billionaires. I said it at the 2278 01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:47,600 Speaker 1: top of the show. There's a reason these men are 2279 01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:52,400 Speaker 1: successful businessmen and women. I'm gonna throw missus Ford into 2280 01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:58,040 Speaker 1: the conversation there in Detroit. They know how to negotiate 2281 01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,760 Speaker 1: these things. They have some of the highest powered attorneys 2282 01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:05,080 Speaker 1: who know how to write language in contracts, and they 2283 01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:07,280 Speaker 1: know how to play the leverage game. That's why they 2284 01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:10,560 Speaker 1: are success as successful as they are. You're you're dealing 2285 01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:16,720 Speaker 1: with business giants. So I'm not saying just roll over, 2286 01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:21,360 Speaker 1: But if there are some things that benefit the vast 2287 01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:25,600 Speaker 1: majority of your rank and file, you should strongly consider 2288 01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,520 Speaker 1: taking it. Like I said, I think the only thing 2289 01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:32,120 Speaker 1: that they really messed up on was not demanding an 2290 01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:36,440 Speaker 1: opt out and at some point midway through this deal, 2291 01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:40,760 Speaker 1: because ten years is a long time, but you gotta understand, 2292 01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:42,880 Speaker 1: you gotta believe, as I do, I would think Chris, 2293 01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,840 Speaker 1: that an eighteen game schedule is what the owners really want. 2294 01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,200 Speaker 1: Are we to believe that if this deal passes by 2295 01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,880 Speaker 1: Saturday night now at midnight, that they go seventeen game 2296 01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:56,880 Speaker 1: schedules for ten years starting in twenty one, Right, it's 2297 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:01,760 Speaker 1: not going to start in Yeah, so seventeen game schedule. 2298 01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:06,880 Speaker 1: Are the owners prepared to play that? Well? I think 2299 01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:10,680 Speaker 1: that's the problem with not having an opt out on 2300 01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:14,240 Speaker 1: the part of the players. You know, they may accept 2301 01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,480 Speaker 1: this deal and then four or five years down the 2302 01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,120 Speaker 1: road be like, whoa, whoa, what's this about an eighteenth game? 2303 01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,080 Speaker 1: Because I think there is language in there that leaves 2304 01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:26,040 Speaker 1: open the possibility of discussing it between the two sides, 2305 01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:31,120 Speaker 1: Like after twenty twenty three, that should have been when 2306 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,760 Speaker 1: whistles and bells were going off at the NFLPA that 2307 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,240 Speaker 1: at some point in the future they're gonna want to 2308 01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,840 Speaker 1: talk eighteenth game, and maybe we should have some more 2309 01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:43,600 Speaker 1: something in there where we can opt out of the 2310 01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:47,680 Speaker 1: current deal and negotiate a better one in exchange for 2311 01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:52,920 Speaker 1: an eighteenth game. So yeah, it's that's why I'm not 2312 01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:57,520 Speaker 1: if you're on the player's side, ten years is should 2313 01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,320 Speaker 1: be the biggest rub. I think you got it. You 2314 01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:02,080 Speaker 1: gotta have some kind of opt out in there for 2315 01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:05,600 Speaker 1: midway through. Jeremy Fowler ESPN wrote this story over the weekend. 2316 01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:08,840 Speaker 1: He said the owners told Commissioner Goodell of their belief 2317 01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:10,920 Speaker 1: at a meeting in New York in February. They were 2318 01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,240 Speaker 1: frustrated with the player's monetary increases that they negotiated and 2319 01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:17,440 Speaker 1: the increase in the size of active rosters. The two 2320 01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:19,960 Speaker 1: men increase in then and another two men increase in 2321 01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,120 Speaker 1: the size of practice squads and recalled the owners three 2322 01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:26,040 Speaker 1: quarters of them. I'm sorry. The owners approved the proposed 2323 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,480 Speaker 1: cb last month. The vote was not unanimous. They needed 2324 01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,920 Speaker 1: a three quarters vote to approve the CBA, but it 2325 01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:34,000 Speaker 1: was not unanimous. So somewhere between three quarters and a 2326 01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,920 Speaker 1: unanimous vote, not unanimous vote is what they got and 2327 01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,880 Speaker 1: now a handful of owners. According to Jeremy Fowler, ESPN 2328 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,680 Speaker 1: won an eighteen game season. Eventually, they could come up 2329 01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:46,920 Speaker 1: in future negotiations if this deal is not approved. We 2330 01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:50,680 Speaker 1: learned today that the deal is the deadline for approval 2331 01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:53,400 Speaker 1: by the players is now extended to Saturday, which might 2332 01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,200 Speaker 1: indicate that the players are going to vote it down 2333 01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,120 Speaker 1: if they take more time to talk about it, right, 2334 01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:59,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be suppose that's a possibility. It could 2335 01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:02,280 Speaker 1: just very be. It could very well be just a 2336 02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:04,880 Speaker 1: matter of trying to get a hold of every single 2337 02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,920 Speaker 1: person that has a vote, knowing they could be at 2338 02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,000 Speaker 1: all points of the earth, you know, in the offseason, 2339 02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,600 Speaker 1: but the traveling that a lot of players do. I'll 2340 02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:17,880 Speaker 1: say this, the deal has been made, the CBA has 2341 02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:21,720 Speaker 1: been put together. If you're crying about it now, in 2342 02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:24,520 Speaker 1: my estimation, it's too late. And I think if you 2343 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:31,000 Speaker 1: vote this down, there is a very strong likelihood, I 2344 02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:35,040 Speaker 1: would say almost certainty that the next offer you get 2345 02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:36,600 Speaker 1: is not going to be as good as this one. 2346 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:40,560 Speaker 1: I think that's an almost certain thing that will happen. 2347 02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:43,960 Speaker 1: And the reason why is because if you don't take 2348 02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:49,280 Speaker 1: this deal and the ownership goes to the broadcast networks, 2349 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the streaming networks, and they don't get as good a 2350 02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:59,480 Speaker 1: deal from them monetarily revenue wise, because those entities will 2351 02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,120 Speaker 1: be asking, well, you're gonna have football in twenty twenty one. 2352 02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,920 Speaker 1: It's going to hurt the negotiating power of ownership to 2353 02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:14,200 Speaker 1: get the highest monetized deal for broadcast rights, streaming rights, etc. 2354 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:20,640 Speaker 1: And so if they take a hit there because the 2355 02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:25,840 Speaker 1: players didn't accept this current proposal, they better sure as 2356 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,880 Speaker 1: heck expect a worst proposal coming their way in the 2357 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,280 Speaker 1: next twelve months to a year. It's I mean, that's 2358 02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:35,240 Speaker 1: a done deal, Lucille, as far as I see it, 2359 02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:39,160 Speaker 1: do you? Uh, yeah, it's a year out. But yeah, 2360 02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,160 Speaker 1: just because the owner's positions, well, they're gonna try to 2361 02:01:42,200 --> 02:01:44,880 Speaker 1: stick it to after getting it stuck to them. But 2362 02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:46,800 Speaker 1: beyond that, and I don't think it'll be revenge as 2363 02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,360 Speaker 1: much as Hey, last year we were able to make 2364 02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:51,720 Speaker 1: these deals with the networks. Now a year later, who 2365 02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:53,520 Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen with the election. Who knows it's 2366 02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:55,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen with coronavirus? Who knows it's going to happen 2367 02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,840 Speaker 1: with a variety of topics. Maybe we don't get the 2368 02:01:57,880 --> 02:01:59,640 Speaker 1: same deal from the networks that we got last year, 2369 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:01,360 Speaker 1: so I could see to be a worse offer from 2370 02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:04,160 Speaker 1: the So there's a lot of there's a lot that 2371 02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:07,520 Speaker 1: the players have to consider. There's people in a lot 2372 02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:12,120 Speaker 1: worse positions than them, though you know so, and and 2373 02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:16,880 Speaker 1: the fact still remains that the majority of the people 2374 02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:21,240 Speaker 1: who play that game are on minimum salaries and they 2375 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:26,080 Speaker 1: stand to benefit a good deal with the monet with 2376 02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:30,000 Speaker 1: the monetization of or the raises for minimum salary players. 2377 02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:35,880 Speaker 1: So that's nothing to sneeze at. And really, if if 2378 02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,480 Speaker 1: the players as a group have an issue with anyone, 2379 02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:42,720 Speaker 1: it should be their own representatives, because they're the ones 2380 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:46,240 Speaker 1: that signed off on putting this CBA proposal together. They 2381 02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,200 Speaker 1: didn't stand in the way of some of the things 2382 02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:52,840 Speaker 1: that some of the higher earning players are upset about, 2383 02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:57,560 Speaker 1: and they've got nobody to blame but their own reps. Truthfully, 2384 02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,040 Speaker 1: don't take it out on the owners. The language was 2385 02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:02,840 Speaker 1: put together. If they had an issue with it, it 2386 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,640 Speaker 1: should have been brought up at the time of the 2387 02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:08,640 Speaker 1: formulation to this CBA proposal when they were negotiations going 2388 02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,920 Speaker 1: on for several months. That never happened, and now the 2389 02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:14,520 Speaker 1: horse is kind of out of the barn as I 2390 02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:18,160 Speaker 1: see it. The Bills made a move to get Josh 2391 02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Norman and Greet into terms on a contract. What's their 2392 02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,920 Speaker 1: next move? That's our Twitter question today. The Twitter poll 2393 02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:26,520 Speaker 1: today is pretty overwhelmingly let's take a look at that. 2394 02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:29,640 Speaker 1: What do you think about the bills next move? After 2395 02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:31,960 Speaker 1: they get Josh Norman signed? What's the next move for 2396 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,240 Speaker 1: the Bills? Sixty one percent of you now say next 2397 02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,720 Speaker 1: they'll resign one of their own, one of their own 2398 02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:38,680 Speaker 1: people who are hit the free agent market next week. 2399 02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:41,560 Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of you say they're gonna wait untill 2400 02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the market opens next Monday, start making big moves, and 2401 02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:47,760 Speaker 1: then fourteen percent another signing before free agency, maybe a 2402 02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:50,640 Speaker 1: street free agent. On the tweet sheet brought you by 2403 02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Cargan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills. 2404 02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:55,920 Speaker 1: A couple of responses to this, Bert tweets and I 2405 02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:57,600 Speaker 1: have a feeling that most of the free agents we 2406 02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,160 Speaker 1: have will test the market. I think I'm okay that 2407 02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:03,040 Speaker 1: I really want to know what McBean, Sean McDermott, and 2408 02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:05,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean are planning for showing up some run defense 2409 02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:07,840 Speaker 1: seemed to build a little bit lacking less season at 2410 02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:10,600 Speaker 1: times go bills. Do you think is that a focus 2411 02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:13,520 Speaker 1: for them? I don't know, I don't I'm not sure 2412 02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:16,080 Speaker 1: I think it is. I'm not sure it is. I 2413 02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I do think that a good number of 2414 02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:21,720 Speaker 1: the free agents will go test the market, though I 2415 02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:25,600 Speaker 1: agree with his first point. Yeah, for sure. I don't 2416 02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:26,880 Speaker 1: know that all of them are going to be happy 2417 02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,160 Speaker 1: with what they find there, but I think I think 2418 02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:34,240 Speaker 1: most of them, or at least their interest is peaked 2419 02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,680 Speaker 1: as to what could be out there, and a couple 2420 02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:40,480 Speaker 1: of them could come back, right, Yeah, they test the market. Yeah, 2421 02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility 2422 02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:44,600 Speaker 1: at all. I think there's a very good chance that 2423 02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,480 Speaker 1: at least a couple of them go out into the 2424 02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:51,120 Speaker 1: free agent market. The first wave comes and goes, they're 2425 02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:54,840 Speaker 1: still waiting for the phone to ring. The market quickly. 2426 02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:57,760 Speaker 1: We have to remember, like there's this floret, there is 2427 02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:00,400 Speaker 1: this initial wave of free agency where these linings are 2428 02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:04,480 Speaker 1: coming a mile a minute and it's almost too hard 2429 02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:08,480 Speaker 1: to keep track of. And then after about four days 2430 02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:13,480 Speaker 1: a lot of money has been spent, the market slows 2431 02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:18,120 Speaker 1: down and the money starts to disappear, and that's when 2432 02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:22,040 Speaker 1: agents get nervous, and that's when players get anxious and 2433 02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:26,840 Speaker 1: the market softens. And that's where as a team you 2434 02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:30,160 Speaker 1: can strike and get good value for a player that 2435 02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,760 Speaker 1: now is looking for a job and a place to land, 2436 02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:36,960 Speaker 1: rather than thinking about how much money they're going to make. 2437 02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Here's a tweet from Rochester Bills packer. Although Josh Norman 2438 02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,640 Speaker 1: had a horrible season last year, I believe he needed 2439 02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,760 Speaker 1: a fresh start. He knows mcdermot's defense can have a 2440 02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:48,600 Speaker 1: bounce back here and give us a veteran presence and 2441 02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,880 Speaker 1: one from Bills Forever. I'm no expert, Bills Forever says, 2442 02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:53,560 Speaker 1: but I'd like to move to bring in Norman. In fact, 2443 02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what the next move that's 2444 02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:58,320 Speaker 1: made is with this front office. I don't have the 2445 02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,680 Speaker 1: sense of dread that I used to. Free agency and 2446 02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,840 Speaker 1: especially the draft are exciting now, Go Bills. I never 2447 02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:05,880 Speaker 1: used to dread free agency. It used to be interesting 2448 02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:07,640 Speaker 1: to see what they do, and back then they were 2449 02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:10,280 Speaker 1: I think less discipline and who right and how the 2450 02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,600 Speaker 1: sign guys, and that made it kind of fun. This month, Okay, 2451 02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:17,760 Speaker 1: it was Okay, Mario Williams. Fun in March, not fun 2452 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:22,160 Speaker 1: in November, though not fun of November. Mario Williams, Well 2453 02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:24,600 Speaker 1: like that got a little ridiculous. That was a two 2454 02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:28,120 Speaker 1: day sojourn. People decorating pizzas and putting up signs. That 2455 02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:32,120 Speaker 1: was nuts this month. Yeah. I think the reason though, 2456 02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:36,760 Speaker 1: that Bills Forever doesn't have the sense of dread is 2457 02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:42,640 Speaker 1: because now three years in with this regime, people know, 2458 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,240 Speaker 1: based on concrete evidence, what the plan is, what the 2459 02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:52,560 Speaker 1: approach is, what the vision is. They were told about 2460 02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:56,200 Speaker 1: it in year one and year two, but last year 2461 02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,080 Speaker 1: you really saw the fruits of it on the field. 2462 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:04,640 Speaker 1: And I think there is an inherent trust now in 2463 02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:08,360 Speaker 1: this Bills front office and in the coaching staff that 2464 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:12,560 Speaker 1: they are going to do right as they say themselves, 2465 02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:17,040 Speaker 1: for today and for tomorrow. And I think that's what 2466 02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,480 Speaker 1: has Bills fans most encouraged. You have a front office 2467 02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:22,160 Speaker 1: that not only plans for the here and now, but 2468 02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:24,040 Speaker 1: for a year or two down the road as well, 2469 02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and they don't let they operate with their head more 2470 02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:34,839 Speaker 1: than their heart. I'm sure that Brandon Bean has favorites 2471 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:37,480 Speaker 1: that they love to stick on this roster, but if 2472 02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:41,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't make financial sense. You know, he doesn't need 2473 02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:44,920 Speaker 1: jerk and make it happen anyway and overpay. One more 2474 02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:47,560 Speaker 1: from the tweet sheet from Justin. He tweets and they 2475 02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,240 Speaker 1: need to lock in Trey White, Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. 2476 02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Make this secondary a permanent feature. Love watching this group 2477 02:07:53,480 --> 02:07:57,320 Speaker 1: ball true Buffalo footballers. Look, I think Trey White and 2478 02:07:57,400 --> 02:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer in particular are secondary priorities right now for 2479 02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:03,240 Speaker 1: the Bills. But I do think, based on the message 2480 02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,680 Speaker 1: that we got from Brandon met at the combine two 2481 02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:09,600 Speaker 1: weeks ago, right now, his first priority is you know, 2482 02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,320 Speaker 1: free agency, and then his first priority is the draft, 2483 02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:14,800 Speaker 1: and then maybe after the draft he gets to Trey White, 2484 02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,920 Speaker 1: John Bowyer and some others Mulano, et cetera. And we 2485 02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,400 Speaker 1: should manage. Hyde has two years left on his deal, 2486 02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:23,960 Speaker 1: Payer one White one, so there's even some time if 2487 02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,360 Speaker 1: you want to take it on. Micah Hide. Yeah, all 2488 02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:28,320 Speaker 1: right to break here, we're coming back. It's One Bill's Live, 2489 02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,200 Speaker 1: presented by Klata Hell from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park, 2490 02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:49,640 Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Okay, what have we 2491 02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:52,360 Speaker 1: learned from today's show? It has brought to you by Skyworks, 2492 02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:55,800 Speaker 1: the official construction equipment rental company of the Buffalo Bills. 2493 02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,000 Speaker 1: We had a good show today with Chris Brown sitting 2494 02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:00,800 Speaker 1: in for Steve Tasker and wear a little bit right. 2495 02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:02,440 Speaker 1: We did. I think we did learn a little bit. 2496 02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:04,680 Speaker 1: What do we learn from Philip Perry from NBC in 2497 02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:07,480 Speaker 1: Boston covers the Patriots from NBC in Boston. Well asked 2498 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,640 Speaker 1: him about if there's a timeline for Brady returning to 2499 02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:12,880 Speaker 1: the Patriots or making up his decision. Here's what Philip 2500 02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Perry had to say. You're the Patriots and you do 2501 02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:18,320 Speaker 1: want to bring him back, how do you make your 2502 02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:22,320 Speaker 1: roster such that he's willing to come back before that 2503 02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:25,520 Speaker 1: March eighteenth date, and before that thirteen point five million 2504 02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:29,040 Speaker 1: dollars hits your books. It's a really complicated situation. They 2505 02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:32,000 Speaker 1: could try to trade and acquire pieces that way before 2506 02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:34,000 Speaker 1: the start of the new league year. They could just 2507 02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:36,880 Speaker 1: really go to work hard during this legal tampering period 2508 02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:40,480 Speaker 1: of March sixteenth and say, hey, Tom, turns out Hunter 2509 02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:42,560 Speaker 1: Henry wants to come and play with the Patriots. If 2510 02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:44,360 Speaker 1: you're going to be here, let's make this happen and 2511 02:09:44,440 --> 02:09:46,960 Speaker 1: get you signed before the eighteenth. Those are the types 2512 02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:49,600 Speaker 1: of scenarios you're talking about having to play out to 2513 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:53,240 Speaker 1: bring Brady back, And I think Fancier understand that the 2514 02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:56,160 Speaker 1: likelihood of all of those pieces coming together and coming 2515 02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:59,880 Speaker 1: together in relatively short order here are pretty low. Philip Perry, 2516 02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,800 Speaker 1: NBC Boston on the future of Tom Brady with the Patriots. 2517 02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Also today, we talked with Clinton Porters earlier this hour, 2518 02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:09,160 Speaker 1: former Redskins and Broncos running back, talked to him about 2519 02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Josh Norman. Clinton Porters does radio for the Redskins Radio network. 2520 02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:14,640 Speaker 1: When he asked him about Josh Norman's time his last 2521 02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:18,480 Speaker 1: four years with the Washington Redskins. You know, if you 2522 02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:22,120 Speaker 1: think of Josh Norman and Carolina and how physical of 2523 02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:25,560 Speaker 1: the cornerback he was and how much of a playmaker 2524 02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:29,240 Speaker 1: he was with the Carolina Panthers compared to Josh Norman 2525 02:10:29,320 --> 02:10:32,760 Speaker 1: with the Washington list and as you say, something is missing, 2526 02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:37,400 Speaker 1: and whether it was a scheme, the communication amongst players, 2527 02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:40,800 Speaker 1: or the d line not having the same blitz, not 2528 02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:43,280 Speaker 1: being able to jump routes, we don't know what it 2529 02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:45,440 Speaker 1: was because we don't know all the play calls. But 2530 02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:47,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was just a 2531 02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:50,760 Speaker 1: relationship that didn't work. You know, it didn't keep Josh 2532 02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:54,120 Speaker 1: Norman at the top as one of the top corners 2533 02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:56,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I think Josh fields is if 2534 02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,000 Speaker 1: he had something to put him and I think teaming 2535 02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:02,520 Speaker 1: back up with coaching Dermot gives him the best chance 2536 02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:05,480 Speaker 1: that proved them. There there you going. Clinton portis on. 2537 02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,640 Speaker 1: Josh Norman signs a reportedly as agreed to terms I 2538 02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:11,120 Speaker 1: should say, in a one year deal with the Buffalo Bills, 2539 02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:13,080 Speaker 1: not made official yet by the Bills. They went until 2540 02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:14,880 Speaker 1: they get the paperwork. They don't have to wait for 2541 02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,200 Speaker 1: the start of the new league year to make the announcement. 2542 02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,880 Speaker 1: But so we'll see. Hey go ahead, I was gonna say. 2543 02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:23,120 Speaker 1: And this is another thing that the Bills have done 2544 02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:27,680 Speaker 1: in recent years is signed some cap casualty from another 2545 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:30,800 Speaker 1: team before the free agent market even opens to kind 2546 02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:33,280 Speaker 1: of check a box off at maybe a position that 2547 02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,240 Speaker 1: they were looking at. They did it last year with 2548 02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:39,560 Speaker 1: Spencer Long. He signed in February last year after getting 2549 02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,440 Speaker 1: cut by the Jets, and the Bill signed them to 2550 02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:46,440 Speaker 1: a relatively affordable three year contract. And here they are again, 2551 02:11:46,760 --> 02:11:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, doing it again. So actually they signed two 2552 02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:53,000 Speaker 1: players in the early going before the market opened last year. 2553 02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson. Oh, Kevin Johnson was signed before free agency opened, 2554 02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:58,280 Speaker 1: I believe because I think he was a cap casualty 2555 02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,200 Speaker 1: as well, if memory serves. I might be wrong on that, 2556 02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:01,680 Speaker 1: but I got a double check. But I thought there 2557 02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:03,880 Speaker 1: were two players that we that the Bills signed before 2558 02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:05,720 Speaker 1: the market opened last year. So here they are again 2559 02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:09,320 Speaker 1: checking off a box before bidding against other teams. Totally 2560 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:13,360 Speaker 1: speculative question. Who would you rather have Greg Olson who 2561 02:12:13,640 --> 02:12:15,960 Speaker 1: came here talked to the Bills went on to sign 2562 02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:18,400 Speaker 1: with Seattle or Josh Norman. What do you think is 2563 02:12:18,440 --> 02:12:23,320 Speaker 1: better for the Bills which signing right now? I'll say 2564 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:27,640 Speaker 1: Norman only because that position was thinner. I think that 2565 02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:32,960 Speaker 1: position was thinner, So from a depth perspective, I think 2566 02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:36,600 Speaker 1: that's probably better. In terms of who could have potentially 2567 02:12:36,680 --> 02:12:41,800 Speaker 1: brought more to the table, it's probably Olson. But after 2568 02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:45,480 Speaker 1: hearing Brandon being at the Combine and Sean McDermott say 2569 02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:47,520 Speaker 1: they felt tight End was one of their deeper positions, 2570 02:12:47,560 --> 02:12:52,360 Speaker 1: I understand why. And ultimately it was Olson's decision to 2571 02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:54,600 Speaker 1: sign elsewhere, It wasn't the Bill's decision not to sign, 2572 02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:56,920 Speaker 1: and they made their offer and would have been happy 2573 02:12:56,960 --> 02:13:01,880 Speaker 1: to have him. So I think from a boomer Bus standpoint, 2574 02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:06,080 Speaker 1: you could argue Olson for sure, although he's even older 2575 02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:11,960 Speaker 1: than Norman is, Yeah, significantly older. I think Norman's got 2576 02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,840 Speaker 1: the potential to help them though, I really do, provided 2577 02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:19,080 Speaker 1: he can recapture some of his old form, and I 2578 02:13:19,200 --> 02:13:21,600 Speaker 1: think in this scheme he's got the best chance to 2579 02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:23,560 Speaker 1: do that, And I think the Bills are banking on 2580 02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:25,960 Speaker 1: the same thing. Fifteen seconds left. What did you make 2581 02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,840 Speaker 1: of that comment from Sean McDermot at the combine that 2582 02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:32,520 Speaker 1: we're loaded at tight end? Basically think he likes the 2583 02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:35,120 Speaker 1: people they have. Yeah, who's he thinking of Dawson Knox? 2584 02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:36,960 Speaker 1: I think he likes. I think Knox has got the 2585 02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:39,120 Speaker 1: chance to explode onto the scene this year if he 2586 02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:41,880 Speaker 1: can come along. They have hopes that Tyler Croft. I 2587 02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:43,200 Speaker 1: think they think they're going to get more out of 2588 02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,240 Speaker 1: him than they did last year, provided and stays healthy, 2589 02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:47,480 Speaker 1: and that's a big if. Chris, thanks for doing this 2590 02:13:47,720 --> 02:13:50,240 Speaker 1: sure thing. Always welcome here. Chris Brown Bills inside from 2591 02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot Com. Steve Tasker returning tomorrow. Our production 2592 02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:59,120 Speaker 1: assistants George Blast, Jeff Coltonick, Thomas Homilder, Kelly Rude, JJ Turito, 2593 02:13:59,240 --> 02:14:02,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Cargimes, robol Our producer Jay Harris. 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