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Speaker 1: It's National Radio Day, and we've never been so proud.

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Speaker 1: It's one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm strong and geddy.

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Speaker 3: One more thing.

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Speaker 2: There's name of the radio today. I heard a radio

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Speaker 2: contest here in LA. But it doesn't matter where you are.

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Speaker 2: All radio contests sound exactly the same. You're lucky color

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Speaker 2: number seven, hoop, We're going. Who can't believe it? Are

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Speaker 2: you serious?

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Speaker 1: I'm serious? You just want one thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite radio station? There's one?

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Speaker 4: Don't do whatever the hell it is.

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Speaker 2: Most people have no shame or humility. There's no rule

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Speaker 2: that says you have to love the station you want. Huh,

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Speaker 2: I want a contest, I'd be completely honest. You just

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Speaker 2: want a thousand dollars?

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite radio station?

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Speaker 2: Well? I jump around a lot. I like the Spanish

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Speaker 2: one and this one's pretty good. What station is this anyway?

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Speaker 1: I just had it on Seek.

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Speaker 4: I just pressed Seek. You have to be old enough

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Speaker 4: to remember when people did that with radios, and they

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Speaker 4: even existed in your car. I don't know how to

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Speaker 4: make the Seek work on several of my vehicles.

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Speaker 2: Good times.

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Speaker 1: So it is National Radio Da Katie?

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Speaker 4: Have you been always you were in a big market

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Speaker 4: your whole life, so you know that small market.

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Speaker 1: Radio, yeah eighteen years. Did you ever work at any

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Speaker 1: yanky radio stations?

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Speaker 5: Or I did, like college radio, Oh okay a little bit,

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Speaker 5: and that radio station was yanky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and you probably had the realization as

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Speaker 4: Joe and I have had on some small stations starting out,

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Speaker 4: where there's a possibility at this.

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Speaker 1: Moment that no one is listening.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, frequently there for my own enjoyment only

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Speaker 5: at that point.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's not impossible that there is literally not

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Speaker 4: a human being listening right now, or.

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Speaker 3: Apparently not a single human being who wants a free

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Speaker 3: taco or whatever the prize of whatever contest might be.

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Speaker 3: As we've both had the experience of you know, announcing

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Speaker 3: a contest caller number of whatever nine.

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Speaker 2: And you don't get a single call.

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Speaker 1: What's the smallest thing you ever gave away?

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Speaker 2: Oh, because I gave away.

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Speaker 4: Like at taco or an ice cream cone, I mean

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Speaker 4: a value of like a dollar and a half, and

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to drive to the radio station.

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Speaker 1: And get it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and nobody.

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Speaker 4: You don't get a single call, and then so you

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Speaker 4: got to make it up or you know you you

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Speaker 4: say caller ten, but you get two calls. See, you

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Speaker 4: pick one of them, and it's the same person that

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Speaker 4: calls every time.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey call you tell caller number two. Hey you're

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Speaker 2: number ten.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: Hey Jim, Oh yeah it's you again. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll just send it with the other prizes. Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: have your address already.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Nice talking.

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Speaker 5: I was a phone screener. When they ended up putting

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Speaker 5: in the system to stop people like that, there was

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Speaker 5: like a niceiractionately, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 4: that existed in radio back in the old days, like

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Speaker 4: a lot of things in a lot of industries, probably

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Speaker 4: wasn't everybody was doing it because somebody did it once

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Speaker 4: or thought it worked, but it just I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it was helping anything. Really, you're you're there are

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Speaker 4: like four people that were going to change their listening

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Speaker 4: habits because you're giving away an ice cream, corn on

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Speaker 4: or oil change or whatever it was. It didn't have

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Speaker 4: any effect on most people.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to participate, right, and we're not allowed

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Speaker 3: to talk about the rating system like at all on

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Speaker 3: the air, And frankly I'm not sure how bold I

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Speaker 3: want to be on the podcast, because I just don't want.

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Speaker 2: To create problems for people who don't deserve them.

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Speaker 3: But in a bigger market, those four people become forty

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Speaker 3: or maybe four hundred, and if one of them has

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Speaker 3: whatever diary or device or whatever is used to measure

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Speaker 3: the ratings, then that, you know, Hamburger platter or whatever

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Speaker 3: the hell you just gave away, that that could change

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Speaker 3: your life, could change the station's fortunes, at least for

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Speaker 3: a month or a quarter or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Here's where I can get hurtful to some of our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I was a prize pig. By the way, Katie,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If you were. Are you serious? I was a serious

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Speaker 3: college prize pig.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why I'm judging you right now.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, that's fine. I was.

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Speaker 3: I had no money, you know, any money I wanted

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Speaker 3: I had to work for and I didn't have much

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Speaker 2: And I was and.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I am accidentally now, but was a

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Speaker 3: music trivia freak. I will would read and memorize every

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Speaker 3: don't I'm just so interested in it. And uh oh,

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Speaker 3: what was the uh what was the nay of the

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Speaker 3: call letters the student radio station at the University of

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Speaker 3: Illinois that I was never on. I never I showed

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Speaker 3: up to one meeting and it was there was like

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Speaker 3: and I thought, ef this And I didn't get involved

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Speaker 3: and it'll pop into my head. But they would do

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Speaker 3: every noon rock Quiz and they would it was like

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Speaker 3: a syndicated thing with a sponsor, and they'd ask you

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Speaker 3: a question about what rooster haired rocker who was originally

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Speaker 3: a star soccer player found fame with blanketing blank And

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Speaker 3: I'd be like Rot Stewart and I would call and

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Speaker 3: I had to I had to pretend to be friends

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Speaker 3: of mine because they had rules. You could only win

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Speaker 3: like once every week or something like that, and I

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Oh, But I was so into it and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: like I mean, because some of the prizes were pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I actually won some tickets and video concert videos and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But it was just it was competitiveness. Yeah, it was like,

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Speaker 6: Bring it on, I'm the best prize pig there ever

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Speaker 2: Right right, I did.

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Speaker 4: I did a semester of college radio, and then I

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Speaker 4: got hired onto a real commercial radio station, and so

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Speaker 4: before I was finished with it and moved to the

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Speaker 4: always remember it because I was devastated. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: was just devastated. I sat there thinking, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do anything else.

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Speaker 2: And I suck?

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Speaker 1: What am I gonna do?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just I I can't believe I reacted

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Speaker 3: Surely they wouldn't call and I'd a pure cruelty or meanness,

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Speaker 3: say something definitive or be wrong. How many you suck

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Speaker 3: calls did it take before you reacted whatever? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was for me. Y oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: It rattles your confidence, even if you have.

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Speaker 1: Confidence, yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when, but eventually you get thick skin

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Speaker 4: even like with with Joe and I still getting emails

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Speaker 4: a certain point. I mean even when I was twenty

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Speaker 4: you thinking I suck is fine. I'm making I'm supporting

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Speaker 2: The free market begs to differ, right.

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Speaker 4: So enough people think I don't suck, that I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: go with that is. I think that's what got me

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Speaker 3: All right now, and now you'd reply, yes, I do suck,

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Speaker 5: I remember when I was about nineteen, we had the

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Speaker 5: text lineup and thank you so much, and I saw

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Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, my town is small. I

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Speaker 5: prom date.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, Oh that's a good story.

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Speaker 5: So I texted him back from the station and said thanks,

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Speaker 1: Prom was fun, And he.

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Speaker 5: Wrote back, Oh, I was just kidding you because things

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Speaker 5: I could see he was, yeah, total dick.

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Speaker 1: Your was a dick, total dick. Yeah that is so

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Speaker 1: that is so freaking weak.

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Speaker 4: So you're you're to prom date from high school, has

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Speaker 4: a cool job, and.

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Speaker 1: You need to try to take her down a peg.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope his life sucks. It probably does. If

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Speaker 4: he's doing that, his life almost certainly.

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Speaker 3: Sucks, or it will soon. Yeah, if that big a dick.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, Joe and I are both in our mid eighties,

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Speaker 4: so when we were doing this getting phone calls, there

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Speaker 4: or anything like that. God, that would have been great

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Speaker 4: if I could have called these people back or figured

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Speaker 4: out who they were instead of just the random you

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Speaker 4: suck calls. Oh, and I should so since it's National

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Speaker 4: Radio Day, the one time.

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Speaker 1: Ever in my entire radio career.

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Speaker 4: I've ever gone out with a listener, and I sworred

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Speaker 4: off ever since then at age twenty, So this uh,

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Speaker 4: and I had been warned. I had been warned about,

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Speaker 4: you know, being misled by a velvety sounding voice over

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Speaker 4: the phone. But I was twenty, and I was new

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Speaker 4: and then she wanted to uh, she wanted to go

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Speaker 2: What oh yeah, yeah, wow. Didn't meet her somewhere neutral

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Speaker 4: No, well, I'm in a town of twelve thousand people

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Speaker 4: for one thing, so I mean it's yeah. But she

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Speaker 4: dressing dressed very freaky, like by today's standards, she's the

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Speaker 4: not small town midwestern eighties girl, I was hoping. And

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Speaker 4: then she opens up her purse, which was full of pills.

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Speaker 4: Not liking bottles or anything like that. It was just

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Speaker 4: do you want? I said, I'm good, And uh, who

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Speaker 4: didn't know anything about drugs, for one thing, so I have.

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Speaker 2: Dissolving right.

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Speaker 4: So I wanted to get her out of my my

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Speaker 4: So we go over to the pool hall. We start

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Speaker 4: I I go to the bathroom, I walk out the

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Speaker 4: I never saw her again. I was afraid she'd come

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Speaker 4: to my house. I think I slept with like a

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Speaker 3: She didn't free showing shove pills down your throats.

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Speaker 1: I asked you what you wanted. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I would. Yeah, the naive the being,

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Speaker 1: the naive child. I could have ended up dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oregon's harvested tuba ice.

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Speaker 2: Call the police.

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Speaker 1: Your kidneys have been harvested.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It happens a lot. I heard about that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, this is my radio story. I was seven years old.

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Speaker 6: I had a Fisher Price record player and I would

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Speaker 6: play Disney songs, you know, to amuse myself. But on

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Speaker 6: the weekends I would I'd have paid programming, I believe

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Speaker 6: it or not. And then I finally sold my station

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Speaker 6: to the kid down the street that spoke Spanish, and

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Speaker 6: he's changed format to the Spanish and I got his bike. Well,

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Speaker 6: I guess that's it.