WEBVTT - Land, Bread, Housing: Fred Hampton and the Chicago Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're listening to you waiting on reparations the production

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<v Speaker 1>of My Heart radio. Yo. They want to call us

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<v Speaker 1>agitators like we always in the static. They will label

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<v Speaker 1>you a up felling or you're just an addict. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think they got it backwards. Talking watches with the ratchets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying black panthers, not the Marvel cinematic chairman about

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<v Speaker 1>to speak. If we have a choice, will go stay

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<v Speaker 1>on your clock. You gotta watch the point tell pro

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<v Speaker 1>can't depend on them, so we can't have a voice. Help, No,

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<v Speaker 1>gotta take it. Those will need to help the most

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<v Speaker 1>get low, so we can't wait for ship. The streets

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<v Speaker 1>gotta make a shift less organized. We can all watch

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<v Speaker 1>the racist pigs. Hold our supplies, built those box and

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<v Speaker 1>play kids. Class solidarities right around the way you dig.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to be passive. Its like Buddhism would do black Besides,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't need no judice in my crew. If

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<v Speaker 1>the man had a chance, they would shoot us in

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<v Speaker 1>the room. That's why I'm cooking the feed like every

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<v Speaker 1>student in the room, teaching every student right on zoom

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<v Speaker 1>an Franka. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a late night. How are you doing? You

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<v Speaker 1>have been in that meeting for like five hours this time? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>five and a half five pm until I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>like ten five I got out. Um, who what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on today? UM? So we just had an agenda

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<v Speaker 1>setting sessions. We're deciding the topics to vote on at

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<v Speaker 1>our next meeting, and we voted on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things today. We passed a resolution in support of repeal

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<v Speaker 1>of stan your Ground laws and had a moment of

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<v Speaker 1>silence for Traymon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Ahmad are Very

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<v Speaker 1>as well as other victims of UM stand your Ground

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<v Speaker 1>laws UM in our state and across the South UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we also passed UH I think we spoke

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<v Speaker 1>spoken previously about the Lennontown resolution UM kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>apologizing and offer offering a form of reparations to folks

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<v Speaker 1>displaced by urban renewal. And so that was interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we put like a year or so of work into

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<v Speaker 1>getting that pass, and one of the commissioners, one of

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<v Speaker 1>my fellow commissioners that previously um Stone Wall did actually

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for failing to condemn white supremacy previously and for

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<v Speaker 1>his role in stalling the legislation getting passed. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see you send him a little couple clapping emojis.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Hi, bro, what du I mean? He

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<v Speaker 1>recognized that, like, like this coordinated act of forcible removal

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<v Speaker 1>from the you know, the homes these black families lived in,

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<v Speaker 1>was an active white of terrorism and white supremacy. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, upon his studying the historical documents and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing what those people had gone through, the intimidation they suffered,

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<v Speaker 1>the coercion, the you know, like and in some of

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<v Speaker 1>the language that like legislators were is saying to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about people who lived there, you know, like they were

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacists and he's sort of fiddling with us was

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy, which, like, you know, there's an argument to

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<v Speaker 1>be made of like, oh, well, you want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>people to the table to like, you know, do this

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<v Speaker 1>work together. Do you really want to go around calling

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<v Speaker 1>people white supremacists. That's not been bridge building. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately I feel like you got call call it what

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<v Speaker 1>it is in order to heal. You can't heal. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't heal cancer, can't cure cancer if you go around

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<v Speaker 1>calling it appendicitis. Yeah, it's cancer. In order to do

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<v Speaker 1>the right treatmentum fix the cancer. And so yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not even diagnosing what the problem is, then

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<v Speaker 1>are you I'm like, oh yeah, I think he started

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<v Speaker 1>to stone, like, no, this nig got cancer. Yo, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>please put on the chart that this man has cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well damn. So, I mean, so what's the because it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like that's been kind of something that a little

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<v Speaker 1>project that's been going on for a minute now. So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the I don't know, like when when's when's they

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to start going into all these votes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it actually starting to go into So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we passed the resolution tonight, and so it's like

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<v Speaker 1>sets in emotions all this additional work. So at the

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<v Speaker 1>site where we've already started this, but like to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the resolution like affirmed. We're working on it. Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put like a wall of recognition where it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like historical markers indicating the neighborhood used to be here,

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<v Speaker 1>and like maybe some kind of like mural of like

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<v Speaker 1>what the neighborhood used to look like with the kids

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<v Speaker 1>running around and cute stuff. You know, actually where the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood used to be UM and then this committee that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on with all these people who got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kicked out of their homes as children in this place

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<v Speaker 1>so that the university could build dormitories. UM. They get

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<v Speaker 1>to make recommendations to the budget to the county for

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<v Speaker 1>what we should spend money on in our budget every

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<v Speaker 1>year on so some of the immediate work to do,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we approve a budget in like May, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna keep meeting, and so we can't The thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it was like we couldn't give them the money

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<v Speaker 1>for like, yo, if you were a house which was

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<v Speaker 1>worth two thousand dollars in the the nine six were still

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<v Speaker 1>there today, it would be worth like four. And we

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<v Speaker 1>can't give that person that three and eighty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>back that he's taken from the family. But we said,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, instead, y'all can tell us what to spend

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<v Speaker 1>money on at the city, right, And so we'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>start that work soon. So like this's like stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>do still like however, but it's like it's the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a it's like this thing finally got

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<v Speaker 1>you know, born long gestation period. I kind of already

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer to this question, but like it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Do you get frustrated at the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you can do like so much work on

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<v Speaker 1>the particular thing, but it doesn't It's like there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>no process for it where it's like, Okay, we put

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<v Speaker 1>this work in and now it's about to happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>like you always have to constantly go through the motions

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<v Speaker 1>of how things have to work. Does frustrating The most

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<v Speaker 1>soul crushing thing about being an elected official, having been

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<v Speaker 1>and identifying still as an activist is like adjusting to

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<v Speaker 1>the pace of government. It took us a fucking year

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<v Speaker 1>to like all agree on that what we did was bad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we owe them some stuff and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even were even giving them the stuff they asked for.

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<v Speaker 1>We're giving them some other stuff here, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even get really what this has been a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you've been dealing that you've been talking about since before COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, yeah, like February of last year. That

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<v Speaker 1>that was like that Nebery of last year when we

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<v Speaker 1>first started talking about this resolution was six months or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even a year after we started writing the arrange.

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<v Speaker 1>The resolution. So we've been doing this for two years

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<v Speaker 1>just to get like a wall saying this neighborhood used

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. These people get to give and put

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<v Speaker 1>on the budget and like a couple other little things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like in elected life, you sometimes wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like losing yourself when you come to accept the pace,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, this is just how it works. I

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<v Speaker 1>have come to accept that it takes a year to

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<v Speaker 1>get something so small like that, Like, but should I

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<v Speaker 1>accept it or should I just like fucking go into

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<v Speaker 1>these meetings and just punch everybody in the face and

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<v Speaker 1>be like nah, niggd, like we do with it like that,

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<v Speaker 1>no more done today, buck your six months, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>need to get this sh on today, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it just is a constant struggle, like yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to I want to be like, well, what can

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<v Speaker 1>what can you do to change that? But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to give away your strategies a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>good people, Yeah, because when you're trying to get consensus

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<v Speaker 1>among ten motherfucker's that all believe different ships and care

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<v Speaker 1>to various different degrees or know what the fund is

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<v Speaker 1>going on to various degrees, some of whom not at

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<v Speaker 1>all know what's happening. Like it's like, uh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, um, it's I feel like it's uh. It

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of like home alone when they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get an airport and there's like kids trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to count them and like everyone here and

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<v Speaker 1>then like you know, it's just a clown car just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pile people in to get us to this

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<v Speaker 1>very simple destination. And if not not everybody, and if

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<v Speaker 1>not everybody's in the car, then they're still drinking PEPSI

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<v Speaker 1>mad upstairs, like not, Yeah, we're not on the same

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<v Speaker 1>page at all. Were watching alone recently, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Man, all right, well let's let's transition.

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<v Speaker 1>What I did also of a note recently, is I

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<v Speaker 1>watched Judice in the Black Messiah this weekend. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched you. I'll just get some one thing

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<v Speaker 1>funny that we're doing the episode that we're doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen the movie yet, but there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a reason, but there's an explanation for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked last week about the situation with the

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<v Speaker 1>rapper No Name, and the request of her to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the soundtrack for this new movie, Judas in the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Messiah, which is a I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's an autobiography, but it's like a what would you

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<v Speaker 1>what genre would you describe it as? I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>it it gives me a memoir like feel like an autobiography,

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<v Speaker 1>feels comprehensive of like he was born and then he

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<v Speaker 1>went to fifth grade. But I mean like snapshot really,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean like genre, like would you say it's

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<v Speaker 1>a thriller? Like okay, So so it's more it's more

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<v Speaker 1>along the lines of being a biopic. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a like an informant drama or like a thriller

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<v Speaker 1>or because that's a heavy element in it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the pension, the informant fields about what he's doing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>starting to I don't want to give too much away,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he kind of like feels the draws the

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<v Speaker 1>black panthers and like, oh, I what I'm doing wrong? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't do it wrong, everybody. So last Friday, um,

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<v Speaker 1>this new movie, Judas in the Black Messiah was released

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<v Speaker 1>to streaming and the film follows FBI informant William O'Neill

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<v Speaker 1>as he infiltrated the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>Party and set an event the you know everything that

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually lead to the assassination of the famed revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Hampton. Now, um, would you say it's a good movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you had to give it a letter grad

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<v Speaker 1>just just for the movie that you saw on the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>what would be your I did not feel qualified to

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<v Speaker 1>give a ratings a person as personal though you're not

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<v Speaker 1>giving You're not giving like something like I know you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to you about movies before. You're like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give it up. Be like, I'll give it a ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two points barely fairly an A grade. I'm slowly asking

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<v Speaker 1>on the Mariah Park on the on the lingual Franco scale,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So, um, I think it was a good movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good. You think it was good? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I mean, like, as a leftist, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a good film for leftism, and that

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<v Speaker 1>like I heard, you know, because in our conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>No Name and her qualms with the film last week,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she was concerned. I believe that like his

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<v Speaker 1>politics weren't comprehensively represented in the film. Yeah, she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was enough about him. You know, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>would agree that the left needs to get better at

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<v Speaker 1>like producing like compelling media to like draw people to

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<v Speaker 1>our ideas and educate folks. But like the left needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Hollywood is not the left capitalism institution

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<v Speaker 1>or like industrial complex, and so all we need them

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<v Speaker 1>to do is to like introduce them to, like very briefly,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like not sucking up Super Bad. And I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like from the jump, like and this isn't a spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>because like it's like like in the verse twenty minus

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<v Speaker 1>the film, like it's very explicit that like Fred Hampton

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<v Speaker 1>is this fucking socialist, and like he talks about socialism.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all talking about socialism, and sure they don't get

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<v Speaker 1>into it a ton and the rest of the film

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<v Speaker 1>like they're not going into theory and ship they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get in a theory. They're not like talking about well

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<v Speaker 1>on page seventy six and like now you're not because

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<v Speaker 1>no one was to watch that because that's not an

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<v Speaker 1>entertaining movie. You know, we're trying to people, We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to give him a taste and so people who have

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<v Speaker 1>watching the movie, you're seeing Fred Hampton being a badass

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<v Speaker 1>and there's like a gunfight, so the and so if

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<v Speaker 1>that's all it takes, it was enough of a teaser

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<v Speaker 1>for somebody who doesn't get sure about politics to look

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<v Speaker 1>it up Fred Hampton afterwards and then go and see like, huh,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this? Like you know, yeah, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's cha whatever, Like yeah, I feel that's that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what I was. All I want's just to open

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<v Speaker 1>the door for people who see it and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>curious about more to go learn more. I don't expect

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<v Speaker 1>films from Hollywood to teach actually teach people about So

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. The movie came out and it's been getting

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<v Speaker 1>you know, good reviews. People seem to like it. Um

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<v Speaker 1>besides for the slight controversy with the no name thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the soundtrack and that particular criticism of it, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really seen too many um complaints with the film. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that I have, you know, discoverag because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we talked about it and then a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>after we're like, hey, let's let's do an episode where

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Fred Hamptons and it's like just from

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<v Speaker 1>a basic you know, if you do somebody like you

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<v Speaker 1>just said, if someone wants to look up Fred Hampton

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<v Speaker 1>after seeing the movie pretty much, you know, just a

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<v Speaker 1>basic search, you're gonna come into a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>about how he died, in the circumstances in which he died.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, um cointell pro uh rogue,

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<v Speaker 1>FBI agents, and an informant struggling with what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all that sort of stuff makes for like an

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing story, whether it's you know, an article or think

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<v Speaker 1>piece being written about it, or whether it's a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So like most of the stuff that you're gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>about it is going to be, especially now, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about the assassination of Fred Hampton's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like what what led to What were the things that

0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.920
<v Speaker 1>led to him being killed? And there's not too many

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<v Speaker 1>just flat out hey, this is who Fred Hampton was

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what he was about, you know what

0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, without bringing in the aspects of his death.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to we wanted to use this episode

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Fred Hampton, his politics and what lessons

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<v Speaker 1>can be learned from his revolution Before he was prematurely,

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<v Speaker 1>prematurely taken away from Better Pigs. One last thing I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say on the film itself before we move

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<v Speaker 1>on to talk about the man. And I think, like

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<v Speaker 1>this point comes up and what we're going to day

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<v Speaker 1>about the man. But just like, if you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>the film yet, go into this, go into it with

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<v Speaker 1>this in mind. They cast thirty year old niggas to

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<v Speaker 1>play like like like he's staying field. His character is

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen years old in the in the real human, real life,

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<v Speaker 1>and they got this like thirty old nigga player in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeen year old child Fred Hampton, what was he

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<v Speaker 1>like nineteen? And they got fucking Daniel Kalua. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that's not his last name. I think. Okay, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>let me look just be like called the nigga Kalua

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<v Speaker 1>and Kalua pronunciation kaluya close. Okay, Daniel Kalua. He is

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one years old playing twenty year old child. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that that could that's a Hollywood thing too, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean in the Hollywood thing that does happen. But imagine

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<v Speaker 1>if they had cast actual children to play these actual children,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like the gravity of what they were

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<v Speaker 1>insconsin would like actually sort of thinking like you're you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, I think you're both right and

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<v Speaker 1>wrong because I think you're right on While that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a bet from my just putting on my

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<v Speaker 1>movie nerd Ship, that would have been a better like

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<v Speaker 1>better aesthetically and it would have looked better because it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been more realistic to the you know what

0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:39.440
<v Speaker 1>they were portraying from a technical aspect, you're doing something

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<v Speaker 1>like this, you want motherfucker's that know how to act,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And this is not shipping,

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<v Speaker 1>not on a younger actor and stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are in this movie are fucking veteran

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<v Speaker 1>actors who you can if you're a director, and you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>they do a great job. If you're director actor, you

0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 1>don't have to be afraid to put a camera on

0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Kluya for five minutes and have him just look

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<v Speaker 1>you express some emotion and stuff like that. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just and this is all you know, again, with all

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<v Speaker 1>due respect, if you're dealing with a seventeen year old actor,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably have to search a lot harder to find

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<v Speaker 1>that that actor who can do that. Who's that young,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So I'll give him a break on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, I'm an older cat, so I've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing high school students played by four year old motherfucker's

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<v Speaker 1>since I was a kid and ship, so it's all

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<v Speaker 1>it's all good with me. I get why they did that,

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<v Speaker 1>but um yeah, so we're gonna We're gonna get into

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<v Speaker 1>that and a little bit more. We're also going to

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<v Speaker 1>do for the music discussion is we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a quick little mini review of the soundtrack that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of brought all of this to our attention anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a star studied hip hop extravaganzas soundtrack that they

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<v Speaker 1>made for this uh movie. So we're gonna go into

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<v Speaker 1>it and listen to some select cuts and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>give our overall thoughts on how this works a as

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<v Speaker 1>a rap album, but be also as a soundtrack that

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<v Speaker 1>is advertising itself as being inspired by the film that

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<v Speaker 1>you're I see on the screen. So that's where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be judging with south track from we will

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<v Speaker 1>be into all that and more after the jump. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>August is the year Fred Hampton was born, and what

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<v Speaker 1>is now summ at Illinois. His parents were transplants from Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the six million or so rural Southern United

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<v Speaker 1>States dwellers of African descent that north um to the northeast, Midwest,

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<v Speaker 1>and West in order to escape for economic conditions and

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<v Speaker 1>the Hellish racism under Jim Crow States in the South

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<v Speaker 1>um in between the years of nineteen six and nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>So right there, smack in the middle, Fred Hampton's parents

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<v Speaker 1>have moved up to Illinois. He gets born, and from

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<v Speaker 1>a young age it was noticed that Fred was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty gifted student and athlete. He even wanted to like

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<v Speaker 1>pitch for the Yankees one day, or play for the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees at least, I don't know what position you've played.

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<v Speaker 1>But his future activism also shine really early on too,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a precursor to the Black Panthers free breakfast programs

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<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna touch on a little bit later. When

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<v Speaker 1>he was ten years old, he would host weekend breakfasts

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<v Speaker 1>for the neighborhood kids, and he would go so far

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<v Speaker 1>as to even cook all of the meals himself. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about that? So cute? I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a lot to say. I think about mutual

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<v Speaker 1>aid and its role in like shaping communities and like

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<v Speaker 1>pushing for transformation and communities as a part of this,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's a huge lesson from the Black panthers. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think in particular, like it's interesting to me,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the way the Great Migration shaped, like Black

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<v Speaker 1>liberation movement stuff is something I just would love to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about and delve more into. As some that's

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<v Speaker 1>like my family didn't really leave the South, didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere down here. Someone was making the point that there

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.359
<v Speaker 1>should be another Great Migration. You're saying that black people

0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:15.800
<v Speaker 1>should migrate back to the South of African Americans live

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<v Speaker 1>in the South South already exactly, So, Um, wouldn't it

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<v Speaker 1>be funny? Though? I saw this like stupid fucking meme

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter or something that was like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>if we if like all the you know, tech bros

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<v Speaker 1>working on their MacBooks at a you know, Williamsburg coffee

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<v Speaker 1>shop moved to Montana or Nebraska or Wyoming or wherever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, eight hundred thousand, five hundred thousand people, we

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<v Speaker 1>could like flip the sentences. I've I've definitely heard a

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<v Speaker 1>few right wing talking heads like make reference to that

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<v Speaker 1>losing their ship. About man, what are these people from

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<v Speaker 1>California moving to Texas? This is like I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>this ship, man, what's going on? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you know, you get a hundred thousand of

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<v Speaker 1>black people to move to Wyoming to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>self sustaining I don't know, commune and some ship. And

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<v Speaker 1>also you know they also elect a new senator, Senator.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, I do not advocate for a great migration

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<v Speaker 1>of any kind. South built the South. This is Arland.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone should everyone come back to the South. Let's really

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>take a ship over. Let's reclaim Atlanta. Okay, So back

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<v Speaker 1>back to Freddie so so okay, so you know that

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<v Speaker 1>this is this activist part of him was being noticed

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 1>at you know, very young age, and this development of

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 1>organizing in the community and you know, starting these free

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.440
<v Speaker 1>breakfast programs where he would cook for neighborhood kids. This

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 1>development would carry on into his teen years, whereas a

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 1>high schooler he would lead lockouts to protest blacks being

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<v Speaker 1>left out of the homecoming runnings, and he fought to

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 1>get more black teachers and administration hired by the faculty.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended graduating with honors and varsity letters, as well

0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>as a Junior Achievement Award in nineteen sixty six. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing thing about that saying that to me, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like when you consider the movie, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like Fred Hampton died in nineteen sixty nine, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>here I am just telling you that he graduated high

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 1>school in nineteen sixty six. So this means that all

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<v Speaker 1>of the not all, but it means a good chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of the impact and legacy that this dude left on

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<v Speaker 1>the world was between the fucking three years that he

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>graduated high school and died. This nigga went from Ayo,

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<v Speaker 1>why the no mo fucking black homecoming queens getting murdered

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>by the f year three years later? Wild wow? But

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<v Speaker 1>then the year rolled So after graduating from high school,

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>he had enrolled in Triton Junior Community College or he

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>majored in pre law, started to gather ammunition winklink informa

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<v Speaker 1>legal no use as a defense against the police. He

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<v Speaker 1>would later on go on to use this like when

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>they would do they had like a watch the police

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>program that he set up where they would actually follow

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the cops and monitor them like as they patrolled the

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods and stuff like that. So whenever the cops will

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to funk with them, you know, everyone who he

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>would view with would look to him because he would

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.120
<v Speaker 1>know how to talk to the cops because he has

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:23.800
<v Speaker 1>like all that legal knowledge and ship like that, so

0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't mess with them like that. Um. It was

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 1>around nineteen sixty six, after he turned eighteen that some

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 1>of his political identities started to crystallize. He formed a

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>solidarity with the Third World Socialism movement that was a

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 1>philosophy that's made up of African, Arab, Latin, Buddhist, Islamic

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 1>versions of socialism with the worldview that socialism was the

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 1>answer to establishing a strong and developed nation. Uh. This

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>was all in the as the Vietnam War was really

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 1>starting to ratchet up in violence and Fred began to

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<v Speaker 1>read the work of Shakavara Ho Chi Minh maoz A

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Dung and other communists revolutionaries. After getting involved with and

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>quickly moving up the ranks into leadership of the in

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Double A CP, Fred used his natural abilities as a

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.680
<v Speaker 1>community organizer to activate a youth group five members deep

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to fight for more and better recreational facilities and improved

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 1>educational resources in their community. So how's the boy doing

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>so far out of high school? We're doing okay at

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>high school. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it is rare,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in my personal experience as an organizer, as

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>well as just like thinking about great figures of contemporary

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>times that are like leading like modern day social movements

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>that synthesize this, this this theoretical found um grounding in

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like the you know, writings and readings of the writings,

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>readings the fucking words and books of of like the

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of of revolutionary thinkers with actual action in the community.

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you see, particularly you know now more

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>than ever, like a lot of like folks that like

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>read theory and then like just shot on other people

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>for not knowing about it. I mean that a person

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that like I don't fucking read theory. I've never read

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>up sh at all um, but like, you know, operate

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>from a from a grounding of just like deep compassion

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and like just care that the community, and like I think,

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 1>I think your natural quality and like I believe thing

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>is going to be better. I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>your natural interests though in like the subject matter it

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<v Speaker 1>makes I don't know, it makes it more like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like me to get into it would have to read theory.

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, because I think that like

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>for someone like you, who's like very hands on and

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.120
<v Speaker 1>like in the ground level of it, that I think

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>you can better form of understanding of what these concepts

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>are because it's like you know how they or how

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>they will to actually apply in real life and stuff

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>like that. Whereas someone who is more like like you. Remember,

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>we had a discussion early on in the show when

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I was we were trying to determine whether or not

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I was a socialist or not, and it was like

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly. It's like it's like I feel like I

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>feel like yeah, but then it's like, man, I don't

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>know enough about it to claim that ship because I

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>don't want you know what I mean, and not not

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>from my perspectives, Like I don't want to like claim

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>some something the have people like, man, you pose it, man,

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 1>you wait with the ship you believe in that straight up.

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why I don't read theory and I don't want

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to become one of those assholes that's like man to

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>baby Broby bro tears streamed down the face into the beard,

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>into the weird. Um. So yeah, I mean and like

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and here we see that well before he got this

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like theoretical grounding in you know, tenets, a third world

0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>like internationalist socialist movement. Um, he already feeding people. And

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing if you have like a penchant, if

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you just want to go feed people in your community,

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and you don't know why, you don't have nobody told

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like some old dead like communist guy, I didn't tell

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you to do it. You're just like I think, you know,

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I should need food weekend breakfast for neighborhood kids. Let's

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>do that. Like that is more revolutionary to me than like,

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, reading a bunch and then not doing ship.

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>So reading a reading a bunch and starting a YouTube show. Yeah,

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, I guess. I say that to say

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that I ultimately, in my own work find that the

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>grounding and community engagement then like inflected with understanding of theory,

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>is like an important orientation to have among our leadership.

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So a sense of like, I'm out here doing good

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and then later I read a book about like the

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>best way to do good, and so I'm going to

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>combine my real world knowledge with like what the old

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>dead guy in the book said, like that is that's

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that sweet spot that made people that made someone like

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Fred Hampton so like transformative in their community and in

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 1>our history. And the thing that the sense that I

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't quite get from reading about it, and I wonder

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>if this was you can maybe tell me if this

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>was captured in the movie, is um it was a

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that he was so young? Right? Like I mean,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. I feel like no, And I feel like

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.159
<v Speaker 1>in the movie like he was just some who's just

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:40.479
<v Speaker 1>a person that made it seem like he was older. Okay,

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so I said so, I mean, like so I wonder

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>if like the people around him, because you know, because

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine there were a lot of radicalized, activated

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>young people back then, you know what I'm saying, probably

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>more so than now. Would you think of now? Is that?

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>One thing that I'm wondering is we have this conversation

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like what sorts of pipelines to what kind of

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>leadership are we building in like our communities for for

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>young people today? Like I don't know why, Like sure

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there's not a there there weren't a ton of Fred

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Hampton's then either that's why there's one Fred Hampton that

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>stands out to us history. But like we don't have zero,

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>We've got none for what do you got a single one? Like?

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, so what are we channeling people with

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>this organic like leadership potential and like desire and drive

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to help their community, Like what are we funneling them into?

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of things. Are things working against you

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>though in that sense, because I mean, I just think

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like all of society, I think American society for like

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>at least the last thirty years has kind of been

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>designed to pacify people, you know what I'm saying, to

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.959
<v Speaker 1>make it harder for Fred Hampton to to get out there.

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know, as I even though I just said that,

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>like he listened hearing what you just said, it also

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>made me think that a lot of the technologies that

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>are very pacifying in a way that simy like the

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>rise of leadership in like a traditional sense, are also

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>tools by which people, young people particularly are engaging in

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>like really powerful forms of mass political education. Like I'm

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>not on TikTok, I'm not twenty nine years old, but

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.479
<v Speaker 1>I like the zoomers are like from what I can

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>tell Hella talking about socialism and ship on the there's

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>definitely a lot of them. I don't know how dominant

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it is, but there definitely is like a strong political

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like just ecosystem on TikTok for sure, like on

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the left and the right. What's up? Okay, So trying

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to Okay, it's the study before I looked it up

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 1>again just so I could accurately quote its findings. UM.

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>According to a study from last year, nearly one third

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>of gen z um support Marxism or socialism UM, which

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>is up from six percent in two thousand nineteen. I

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know what this means. I don't know, like you know,

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>what it means that something really bad happened that shocked

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people and changing the way that they thought. Yeah,

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>let collapse and racial just almost civil war uprising, and yeah, yeah,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So okay. So I guess I'm trying

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to say is that we also have to think about

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the way that social movements are shifting, given like the

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>diversified and fragmented media landscape UM and technology landscape they

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>were not living in. And so one of the things

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>that's like seems like a drawback, but maybe is it

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>benefit to like everyone's on a different social media platform,

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone's watching different YouTubers, are reading different they're listening to

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>different podcasts, and they're not There's not like, oh, you

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>turn on the TV and there's like the one news

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>network that everyone watches and see it's okay on and

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>so everyone thinks MLK is the dude. There's not that

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of like beautifying culturals like guys anymore. And so

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it makes it like so that the movement it's harder

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:30.479
<v Speaker 1>to kill because like, well, who's the Fred Hampton? You're

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>shooting their bed? Now? Who is it? You can't Oh,

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>you can't figure you there's too many that are operating

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>on smaller scales, and so we don't know which one's

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>worth murdering or I don't know, like Keevin Ferguson, activists

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>turned up dead since the thousand fourteen. Maybe I spoke

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>pres soon. Um so, so I don't know. We've nda

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>get off on a tantent talking about like why don't

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>we to make Fred Hampton's anymore? And I get the

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>experienswer is we do? But it's different we do, but

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it's the well, um so, while he was making moves

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this we're going back to Fred Hampton. Now, sorry, y'all,

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be transitioning in our thoughts and the subject matter.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>But okay. So while he was making moves in then

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>double a CP, the Black Panthers began a rise in

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the national national prominence, and their approach to the struggle

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>is one that Hampton found really appealing. The reason for

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that attraction well coincides with his readings and the forming

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of his new political identity. The Panthers, through Huey Newton

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and Bobby Seals, utilized the ten Point program that combined

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>black self determination with class and economic critiques from Maoism.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It laid out the physical needs and all philosophical principles

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that Fred wanted to lead it. So what is the

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>ten point program? Mut's break down the points? Point point?

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>What you want? What do we want? Now? I feel

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>like we need to do this and like the it

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>feels like it needs to be some bootcamp militaristic type

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>way we say it. What do we want? We want freedom?

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>We want power to determine the destiny of our Black community.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I knowed to be like call and response or something,

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>but they did want freedom. They wanted power to determine

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the destiny. They wanted all employment for people, which y'all

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>know I've been harping on fucking guaranteed incommission. It was

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>on that ship. They wanted to end to the robbery

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 1>by capitalists of the black and oppressed communities. They want

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a decent housing fit for shelter of human beings. You

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>want an education for people that exposes the true nature

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>of this decadent American society. We want an education that

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 1>teaches us a true history and our role in present

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>day society. We want all black men to be exempt

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>from military service. You want an immediate end to police

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>brutality and murder of black people. We want freedom for

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 1>all black men held in federal, state, county, and city

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>prisons in jails. Want all black people, when brought to trial,

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to be tried by a jury of their peer group

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>or people from the black communities as identified by the

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Constitution of the United States. And in closing, we want bread, housing, education, clothing,

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 1>injustice and peace. I felt that was an important thing

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>for us to say, because you know, I'm like interested

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>in this ship, and I don't think I had ever

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>like just straight up read the ten Points of the

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party until doing this, you know what I'm saying.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, a lot of this still resonates with like

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>policies that are much needed today and that have like

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>echoed forward in time through the demands made by various

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>social movements, groups and leaders. The one thing I kind

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 1>of want to dig into is the idea of black

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>self determination. The very first point. We want freedom, we

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>want power to determine the destiny of our black community.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And when I think about soft of community self determination

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>in the context of like, you know, community like mine

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>that I represent, which is like predominantly and historically black

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and working class, how black capital of them like is

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 1>seen as like getting that self determination, like like if

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>we just have enough wealth where we can like buy

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a home and then flip it if we want to,

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>or just like be an entrepreneur and make money, but

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 1>then only pay our worker, like then we'll be good.

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Like it's interesting to me that like, um, perhaps you know,

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know this is decontextualized since we're just like

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>reading off the list rather than like hearing it within

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the general like discourse of the time, But like how

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that particular point could be what I would imagine, like

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>you could say, is misconstrued by like modern day like

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>black neoliberals, like we want to determine the destiny of

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>our black community. I feel that like yeah, and like

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and gain a sense that like, oh, we are the

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>spiritual successors of someone like but Fred Hampton. When it's

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>like if you think that like every every black person

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.919
<v Speaker 1>being a business owner, like that's that's gonna be the fix.

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.479
<v Speaker 1>When it's like, well, what are they paying the people

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that work for them? Like what the working conditions of

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the people that work for them? Like what are their

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>business practices? Are they exploiting the earth? Are they exploiting

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>like other people like Dada Da Da Da? Are all

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>still fairy fundamental in like and ultimately just society. I

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know to what degree at all, but I mean

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>hip hop definitely has played its role in like this

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of messaging two people that attitude that you know,

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying that like black capitalism is the cure

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>for all you know. What I'm saying is as somebody

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>who's grown up for thirty years listening to hip hop

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and ship, it's like that that's like that's get Richard

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>died trying that association of freedom being with like economic

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>gain or economic freedom and solely that. And it's not

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 1>like a judgment of that, because I think it's understandable.

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't somebody want to look out for them and theirs.

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just the messaging. If that message gets drone, and

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>it gets drone and it becomes there's a reason why

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>when you hear rappers who speak in broader terms of

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.919
<v Speaker 1>like community and the people and ship like that, it's

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>eyebrow raising. It's like, oh, man, that that motherfucker's cool,

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, because that's not the norm. And not to

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>downplay at all with any rapper does like community wise

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>off the mic. But I've been stressing since we started

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>this show, and I keep stressing the power of hip hop,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I believe is like a real thing, you know. And

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like if you keep droning on a message, you know,

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just not shocking to me that after

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.919
<v Speaker 1>thirty years of messaging, people are a lot more prone

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>to be like, yo, man, what can I do get

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>but get money? You know. And obviously there's other factors.

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I would just imagine that the most dominant aspect of

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>pop culture telling you the same ship over and over

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>again possibly have an effect. And I guess I want

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to like push back on that slightly with a reference

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to Vince Staples in North North where he says, hit

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the corner, make a dollar, flip it. Let the dollars

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>with my mom and children, and so it being indicative

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>of like there's this ethos of community care where it's

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like whatever you get, you split with your mama children,

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like you split with your boys. You make sure your

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>mama got her lights onto their house, like you make

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>sure your people are good. But it's how you get

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>those gains that everybody is so confused about that would

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>agree hip hop um like this misconception hip hop helps proliferate,

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>but it's also just pervasive in America media or large

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood, in the news, and and so it's not

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like specifically endemic to hip hop

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that like this is Oh, I don't. I wouldn't put

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the blame solely at the feet of hip hop. I'm

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>just I'm just speaking from what my from from what

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel that you know, from my exposure to hip hop.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying what I feel that that line and

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>the line came to me because like it also indicates

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the inverse where it's like, yes, there's this like get rich,

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>do try and step on where you gotta get and

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.720
<v Speaker 1>make your money, like you know, get mine, you get yours.

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. That's because because we've got

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to look out for people, for our people. So like

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I think if we could like somehow uplift that ethos,

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I think you could undo this whole ship just

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>like yo, you know how like we all really care

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>about our people and making sure they're good. What if

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>instead of buying crack for five dollars and selling it

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>for money, you know, Like I don't know, I can't

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>come up with a good metaphor where we grow, we

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>grow the cocaine ourselves and all the riches gained from

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>something that though I don't know, I was going, Um,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>we films it, like you know, it's just like how

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you get how you get the gains to then split

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>amongst your people, Like part we gotta like rehash out

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>as like a subculture. But the ethos are taking care

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of our people is already there. Yeah, So let's kind

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 1>of break down a little bit more about what each

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 1>of these pen points means or like what they were

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>seeking truly with each of these. So okay, so we

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>want full employment for our people. That's pretty self explanatory. Yeah,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>they said they believe that the federal government is responsible

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and obligated to give every man employment or guaranteed income.

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.839
<v Speaker 1>Where if I heard these things before, Um, we believe

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that the white if the white American businessman will not

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>give full employment, the means of production should be taken

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>from the businessman in place in the community so that

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the people of the community can organize and employ all

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of its people and give a high standard of living.

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 1>So these ideas of federal job guarantee, guaranteed employment from

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the federal government coupled with universal basic income are still

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>ideas that have widely talked about, Uh in the main

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's becoming increasingly mainstreamed today. Um, this is

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.839
<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about even back then. Oh then then

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 1>then you got the good old season, the means of

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>production cash it. So third, we believe that this racist

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.720
<v Speaker 1>government has robbed us and now are we are demanding

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>our overdue debt. Forty acres two mules. Forty acres two

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>mules was promised a hundred years ago as redistribution for

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>slave labor and mass murder of black people. Will accept

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the payment and currency which will be distributed to our

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Israel for genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 1>six million Jews. Is the American racist has taken part

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in the slaughter of over fifty million black people. Therefore,

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>we feel this is a modest demand that we make.

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have anything to do with this. I mean

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it kind of us, but doesn't really. More on the

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>topic of the podcast, generally we are called waiting on

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.959
<v Speaker 1>reparations and then talking about reparations. Something is a meeting tonight. Yeah,

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>so another Black commission there's three of us on the commission,

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's one of the other two black commissioners tonight

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>had said, because we're voting on a packager for reparations

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to the people who have their land taken under urban renewal,

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and he said that he doesn't want reparations because even

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>if he got them, he could still end up dead

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 1>under the knee of a cop like George Floyd. And

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>this is also I feel like worth flrowing in the

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>mix here is also a man that, like the humanly

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>supports the police. So wait, what I just I just like,

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>can we just unpack it for a second. Hold on,

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>let me just see if I can. Okay, So he said,

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't want reparations because even if I

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>did get them, I could still end up dead under

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the knee of a So like, does he not want

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.839
<v Speaker 1>to get paid at work? Like, I just I don't.

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand the correlation of those two things. I

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>don't either. I think it unpacked because you know, we

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>are this is a show that is titled about reparations,

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, actually, that's an interesting, kind of interesting point,

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>like weird and dumb, but like like underneath kind of

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>profound that reparations on their own, we wouldn't make it

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>so that cops would stop killing black people. No, not

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 1>at all, but but it seems like right, It's it's

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>right in the sense that like, yeah, that's factually right, Like, yeah,

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>if if I got reparations, a cops still could put

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>his knee on his neck. Yeah, And it wasn't what

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't get what I do. But what I don't

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>get is I don't get I don't want reparations because

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the cop because do you know, do you feel what

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying? Like that just doesn't make sense, Like I

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>don't understand why you but I've heard people structure of

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 1>like the because of this then this, like the way

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>he said it doesn't make sense. But um, I guess

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>like in short, he's like kind of right, but let's

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>just deconstructed in the level. That's what I would have

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>said to him at the meeting if I had given

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>a ship, but mostly thought he was dumb and didn't

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about it. Um, Like, let's think about

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>George Floyd. It feels like he had a kind of

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 1>a hard life and we've talked previously on the show

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>about like generations back, had had land stolen from his family, um,

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>which had set him up for precarity in his adulthood,

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, struggles with you know, violence, behavioral issues, argubuse.

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Like had his family been paid reparations to the land

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I've been taken for them, maybe would have had a

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>stabler life. That would have not led him to allegedly

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>use a counterfetween the four dollar bill at that gas station,

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 1>so he wouldn't have had the run in with the

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 1>cops that would lead to the end of his life.

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>In a sense, actually reparations what would have proven sure

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>would help ensure that lots of people get killed by

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the cops because they would put them in fewer precarious

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>situations to necessitate police response, creating the circumstance in which

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 1>they are killed. I mean, I'm I'm personally somebody. I

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>feel that somebody can make an argument against reparations that

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I can disagree with but still be like, Oh, I

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>see the point that you're trying to make. You know

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, And it's like I hear you, like

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's it's a complicated issue. I just

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think that this is it, though I should also

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>could have been because I was longs mine. It's blown

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>my mind. I'm really sitting here trying to wonder, like

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 1>what point he was trying to make, Like guys, like,

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not the point. Like again, the point that he's

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>making is accurate, but it just doesn't make sense. I

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:19.800
<v Speaker 1>don't want reparations. What do you gain? What do you gain?

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>And making this argument right now, you honestly, if you

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you could replace a cop could still kill me with

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>anything and just ask yourself, even that makes sense, guys,

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't want reparations because I can still die from

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>high blood pressure. Yeah, like what what you know? Like

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>a it's helf also a matter of systemic racism and

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the environmentalism contributing. Like so that's not even that's not

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 1>even a crazier analogies literally, yeah, it's lines. Yeah wow,

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for entertaining this. Uh this tangent good

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>on my fine, all right, So back to the ten points.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>So we believe that if white landlords will not get

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.320
<v Speaker 1>decent housing to our black communities, then the housing in

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the land should be made into cooperative so that our community,

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.760
<v Speaker 1>with government aid, can build and make a decent housing

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>for his people. Feel that we believe in an educational

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>system that will give our people a knowledge of self.

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 1>If a man does not have knowledge of himself and

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>his position in society in the world, then he has

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>little chance to relate to anything else. I feel that too.

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no lies there and that I mean

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>that looks like a little bit of a little hip

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>hop crossover there with um I think it's kres one.

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the fifth pillar of hip hop is knowledge. Yeah. Oh, no,

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it's Africa Bombata alright. We believe black people should not

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>be forced to fight in the military service to defend

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a racist government that does not protect us. We will

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>fight and kill other people of color in the world

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 1>who like black people. We will not fight or kill

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>other people of color in the world who, like black people,

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>are being victimized by white, racist government of America. We

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 1>will protect ourselves from the force of violence and the

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>racist police and the racist military by whatever means necessary.

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can only imagine how radicalizing it must

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>have been during the Vietnam War to be called by

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 1>a government that hates you to go kill people that

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>are also brown, who you have a lot more in

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>common with than like the politicians signing off on like

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the War Authorization Act or whatever. Well, one of the

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.880
<v Speaker 1>things that you can't overlook is that one of the

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>things that started, you know, some of these revolutionary movements

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>on the state side, is when you had black soldiers

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 1>go and fight fascism in World War Two, and then

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:52.320
<v Speaker 1>they're fighting, they're seeing like that integrated society is possible.

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>When they're like seeing like how the Europeans are doing it.

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Then they come back home and they can't even drink

0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>out of the same water fountains and other exact Nazis

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 1>for goddamn uh. Well, So we believe you can in

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>police brutality in our black community by organizing black self

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>defense rooms that are dedicated to defending our black community

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 1>from racist police depression and brutality. The Second Amendment of

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the Constitution of the United States gives us the right

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.439
<v Speaker 1>to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>should arm themselves for self defense. I'm sure Ben Shapiro

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>agrees with that. One friend Shapiro loves that. Sure Ben Shapiro.

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Crowder definitely agrees with that. I'm sure yeah, in

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>rates all up on him. Yeah, looking forward to that,

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:44.919
<v Speaker 1>like like to use tenants of the US Constitution too,

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like to bolster revolutionary claim like that in themselves or

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like in their broader ideology challenge the legitimacy of that constitution.

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense? So like the idea that like

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.400
<v Speaker 1>white men don't have any right to be saying like,

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>you know why yo, white man won't give us housing.

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 1>White men you know, be killing us, white men, like

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 1>taking our labor to build this country and the you

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:22.760
<v Speaker 1>know upon which upon you know, who's founding is builds

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 1>upon this constitution. But because the constitution says we can

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:29.800
<v Speaker 1>bear arms, We're gonna like stick that in there because

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that you guys, you know, because at least you will

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>give a shoot about the constitution. So like maybe you'll

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.359
<v Speaker 1>listen to when we like use your own words back

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.359
<v Speaker 1>at you. I don't know, I don't like. I don't

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:41.359
<v Speaker 1>know if it's like it kind of strikes me as

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of um contradictory. Get it, like use their own

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 1>arguments for why you should do the thing. This is

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 1>cool reading This is because have you you know, I,

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 1>like I said earlier, I haven't seen the Judas in

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the Black Messiah movie, but I have seen the Black Panthers,

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the Panther movie that was made in No No, No

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>No in in ve or ninety six. Mario Van People's

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 1>who directed New Jack City, he directed a Black Panthers

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 1>movie that was more it was more like about like

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Rise and Fall of the Black Panthers.

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember whether that movie was good. I think

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.239
<v Speaker 1>it was. I think it was just that I know

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 1>it was one of those movies where like damn near

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>every black actor except Desoe Washington was in it. You

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. It was one of those like

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 1>huge ensemble movies. But it's just I remember some of

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the dialogue that you know, the actor who played he P.

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Newton would say, and it's just like it's like a

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>ripped right out of these these pillars that we're reading

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 1>right now, like straight up, we believe that all black

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 1>people should be released from jails and prisons because they

0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have not received a fair and impartial trial. And in

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean nineteen sixty six, I understand why he's saying that.

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm tally saying that ship now. But but then that

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that transfers into this ninth one, which is we believe

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that black people will all receive fair trials. The fourteenth

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Amendment of the Constitution gives a man the right to

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 1>be tried by his peers appear is a person from

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, geographical, environmental, historical, and

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>racial background. To do this, the court will be forced

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:35.919
<v Speaker 1>to select a jury from the black community from which

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the black defendant came. We have been and are being

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>tried by all white juries that have no understanding of

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the average reasoning, reasoning man of the black community. Again,

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>no lies, no lies, no lies. I think citing what

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>appear it means and like inciting like economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical,

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>in racial background. But to sort of flattened all of

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:07.919
<v Speaker 1>that into like, oh, we should be you know, tried

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.399
<v Speaker 1>by a jury from the black community and was like, well,

0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 1>there's black people in various geography, is, various religions, various

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>economic situations. To problematize that someone, Yes, there's definitely a

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 1>documented issue with all juries to this day, like they're

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>diagnosing ills that's continue to plague us um. But it's

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of depressing to hear the like this issue just

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>never never got better, never got bad. When in the

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.280
<v Speaker 1>course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people

0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another,

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and to assume among the powers of the earth the

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>separate and equal station to which the laws of nature

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and nature is God entitle them. A decent respect to

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the opinions of mankind. Requires that they declare the causes

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>which and tell them the separation, you know, a especially

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>now because there seems to be a little bit of

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a movement on at least the online left select people

0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>who are suggesting that there's some solidarity to be found

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 1>between leftists working with like the far right and pretty

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 1>much fascist as if there's like, hey, you know what

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have like a mutual there's there's there's

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:27.840
<v Speaker 1>mutual goals that can be found there and stuff like that.

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 1>People have been name dropping Fred Hampton in that ship

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.799
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like not to beat around the bush. There's

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:40.759
<v Speaker 1>certain people in the American online left who are suggesting, hey,

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, like progressives should work with the Booglee Boys

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.919
<v Speaker 1>or like Proud Boys and fine solidarity because we both

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 1>hate corporations, right, And it's like it's it's not really

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that simple. But then they're like, well, I mean keep

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 1>saying we need sorry, but then but then they'll bring up, hey,

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but Fred Hampton, uh was like a class reductionist and

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he knew it was all about class and that he

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 1>found solidarity by working with racists and stuff too, And

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like no, no, he didn't, like what what do

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you what are you talking about? Like not, that's not there.

0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 1>There is no context in which that was like a thing,

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, And we're going to get

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>into that too, because we actually are going to like

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>cover what that actual outreach was. But there's a there's

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a speech that he made once where he was pretty

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.880
<v Speaker 1>much talking about like how the whole plan of the

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:35.000
<v Speaker 1>establishment is to get poor white people and poor Black

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>people and poor brown people and to get us all

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in fighting amongst each other so that we don't unite

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:44.279
<v Speaker 1>in coalesced to go against the bigger issue. That's a

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:49.879
<v Speaker 1>completely different thing from saying that Fred Hampton was advocating, Hey,

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we should reach out to the clan, because you know,

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.360
<v Speaker 1>like that's not what was going on at all. But

0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that that last tenant, it's kind of like

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>what he was getting at is kind of that solidarity

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and uh, just poor people as opposed to on a

0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 1>on racial lines. So in nineteen Hampton would join the

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers Party. He he would join their h Not

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Sent Illinois chapter the following year, and he would embark

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 1>on what would be one of the greatest runs of

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>activist and activists has had, emphasizing that racial conflict only

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>leads to poverty. He successfully brokered a non aggression pack

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 1>among Chicago's most powerful street gangs. He taught political education

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 1>classes every morning at six in the morning. Project UM

0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and started a Project Community Supervision of the Police program

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>where they would monitor police and like follow the cops

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>while they were on duty to make sure that they

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>weren't harassing people and beating people up and ship he

0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 1>also went. He was also key in the Black Panthers

0:57:56.720 --> 0:58:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Free Breakfast program, inspired by contemporary research about central roles

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of breakfast and optimal schooling, and the Panthers would cook

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and serve food for poor people in inner city youth

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>in the area did they did this like all across

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the nation. Perhaps one of the biggest achievements for Hampton

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and the Panthers at the time was forging a class conscious,

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>multi racial alliance between the Panthers, the Young Patriots, which

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.440
<v Speaker 1>was a leftist organization made made up mostly of white Southerners,

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and the Young Lords, a street king turned civil rights

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>UM civil human rights organization that fought on behalf of

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Latinos here at Puerto Ricans and commonized people. This you

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:37.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't lead to the formation of the Rainbow Coalition, not

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to be confused with Jesse Jackson's culture the same nay

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 1>okay Um not only girl and it grew more and

0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.479
<v Speaker 1>more its various radical socialist community groups joined their ranks.

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>This is roughly the end. In nineteen sixty eight early nine,

0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they like joined Action against poverty, corruption, police brutality, and

0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 1>substandard house and the various groups supporting each other a protests, strikes,

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and democratic and demonstrations where they had common cause. But

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.160
<v Speaker 1>this is not to be confused with the Rainbow Coalition.

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Alice was co opted over the years by referend Jesse Jackson,

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 1>not as the point of insult, this as a fact

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 1>he you know, eventually appropriated the name and for me

0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>its own more moderate coalition. So what you think about that?

0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It's fucking dope. What you love to see brout here?

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Kill them out here, getting the white people and the

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Latinos and the motherfucking just like everybody together. That's what

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.480
<v Speaker 1>people are saying. People are like, yeah, people are like, oh,

0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 1>he he worked with that leftist white Southern group that

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 1>might have I think they might have adorned the rebel

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>flag maybe, but it's like, that's that's not the boogaloo. Boys. Man,

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 1>you will you will humor me for just a second.

0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.200
<v Speaker 1>This reminds me of this clip from Vince Staples. Let

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>me talking about him a lot this episode at Coach

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 1>tell him talking about his coalition. He wants to build

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:10.080
<v Speaker 1>for somebody. He knows it's funny, Digger, but I'll be

1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>there seres. But you know now, I'm gonna do something

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.240
<v Speaker 1>for like the kids I might. I'm trying to get

1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the world to goose their own missions. I'm gonna get

1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:18.040
<v Speaker 1>all the missions out of North Long Beach, and I'm

1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna get all of the fossil fuels out of normal

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 1>holds on. How are you getting all the missions out

1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a Long Beach? I would love to help with this mission.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're gonna do. We got a lot of

1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>horror fineries, right, the master gist be tripping the masscause

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the agents got a race ward has been going on

1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to the nineteen twenties. I'm gonna stop the race war

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:33.480
<v Speaker 1>right and be like we really gotta be for the

1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 1>world companies growing withth part grenading and suicide bomb and

1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the or refineries boom boom. When we got a big

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>gay population in Long Beach, right, but we only got

1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:43.600
<v Speaker 1>one whole foods. One thing I learned from my gay

1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.880
<v Speaker 1>parts is that whole foods and like like orse, the

1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:49.360
<v Speaker 1>coffee breweries, and seemed like that they like that kind

1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of ship. They like they like that kind of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna call my boy Lloyd. Shout out Lloyd,

1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Lloyd gonna help me get the gay community all the way. Right,

1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>we got a gay Latino mayor, right, boom, we get

1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:01.000
<v Speaker 1>killed two buds once. I'm get a system here. We

1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:03.840
<v Speaker 1>got the gay Latino mayor and then the black um

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<v Speaker 1>um and we're gonna get everybody together. We're gonna throw

1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the Asians in there somehow are. We're gonna get the

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<v Speaker 1>oil frimaries out of there. We're gonna build the Tescla

1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:14.080
<v Speaker 1>factory on the east side. What does Elon must know

1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:16.520
<v Speaker 1>about this? You see them rap get out of here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about like, Yeah, we're gonna get the Latinos.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get the Asians, you don't trot the gays

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<v Speaker 1>in there. We're gonna get the oil refineries. That a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the right attitude. This is like Modernday. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's kidding. I mean, hey, I

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:36.720
<v Speaker 1>hope I hope that he's that kid. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about that Elon musk Tesla ship though, that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>just me. So again back to Fred Hampson with his

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<v Speaker 1>uh with his leadership skills, and if we can keep

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<v Speaker 1>it real, the FBI at this point had decimated the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther Party's ranks with assassinations and imprisonments and sabotage.

1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Fred was well on his way to becoming appointed the

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<v Speaker 1>party's Central Committee Chief eef of staff, had he not

1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:04.840
<v Speaker 1>been murdered in the Hill of Chicago pe d bullets

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<v Speaker 1>and what you know, a scene that was chillingly similar

1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:12.160
<v Speaker 1>to the Brianna Taylor murder. But you know, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were gonna go on and do like a

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<v Speaker 1>whole the whole you know, life story of Fred Hampton,

1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, this would be around the part where we

1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:22.800
<v Speaker 1>would start talking about cointel pro and j Edgar Hoover

1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. But again, I feel that this

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<v Speaker 1>is information that's ample ee out there, and there's a

1:02:28.320 --> 1:02:30.000
<v Speaker 1>new movie out about it, so you know, you check

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<v Speaker 1>out the second episode about So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>put this situate this in the context of the surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>and sabotage that the FBI was doing to black liberation

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<v Speaker 1>in black radical groups at large across country during this

1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>time you can get plugged in there and a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about it that way. So overall thoughts on Freddy, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as I said a little bit earlier, like

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<v Speaker 1>as a politician, like I regularly get calls from people

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<v Speaker 1>about things that have to do with like private property issues,

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<v Speaker 1>or like follow activists in the community who are just

1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:10.400
<v Speaker 1>like organizing outside the state. Particularly under covid UH, the

1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:13.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of mutual aid has gained attraction with people that

1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:19.080
<v Speaker 1>might have previously organized around the policy advocacy, legislation, elections. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but now it's just like, yeah, we just gotta feed

1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>our people and make sure people are warm, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>people have somewhere to live because the state won't provide

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<v Speaker 1>for us. And like I feel that, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting thing for me to think about, like bouncing

1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:34.520
<v Speaker 1>my role as like I do have electoral power, where

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<v Speaker 1>like I can allocate budgets and pass laws and ship

1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but like, but like I value organizing outside the state

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<v Speaker 1>and like self determination of communities, like people coming together

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<v Speaker 1>to like feed their kids and to like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the homeless and warm and just doing it

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<v Speaker 1>autonomously without getting permission from the government, Like yo, here's

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:54.760
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars to do it. Like, Yo, we just

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<v Speaker 1>did it ourselves. We ain't wait around for y'all to

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<v Speaker 1>like take a gear to pass the park. We just

1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:05.000
<v Speaker 1>want did it. And so, um, just seeing seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>like mainstreaming for for for what to me seems like

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstreaming of the idea of mutual aid under COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>but like remembering its roots in projects like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the free breakfast program of the Black Panthers all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back then and like reclaiming what is revolutionary about

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<v Speaker 1>just taking care of our communities. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like something that really resonates with me in revisiting some

1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of Fred Hampton's work. Um, because we talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>policy on the show a lot. We talk about laws,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the judicial system, we talk about legislation,

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<v Speaker 1>but like politics is bigger than that. Politics is also

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<v Speaker 1>just the way we organized power, and like being fed

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<v Speaker 1>is power, and having a point to sleep at night

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<v Speaker 1>is power, and like knowing your neighbors and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to provide for them that is power as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's politics as well. And so to sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>step back from our usual framing of like public policy,

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<v Speaker 1>like laws, and like politics is is something people enact

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<v Speaker 1>in the every day. I think it's something that we

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<v Speaker 1>can take away from the work of Black Panthers and

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Hampton Um and like not waiting around for people

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<v Speaker 1>to give us what we want, just taking it or

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<v Speaker 1>making it for ourselves in our own communities. Stated perfectly. So,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to get into a little mini review

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<v Speaker 1>of the soundtrack to Judas and the Black Messiah after

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<v Speaker 1>the jump, all right, So for the music discussion, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be talking about the soundtrack to the

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<v Speaker 1>new motion picture Judas and the Black Messiah. What can

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<v Speaker 1>we say about this? I feel like, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>listened to this three times in the last two days,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel that this project has to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be judged with two different ears from me. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>you who can judge it as just a compilation rap album, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then on the other hand, you can judge it

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<v Speaker 1>as a conceptual album about this movie. And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel that it's fair to judge them for

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<v Speaker 1>both is because it's actually labeled on the cover that

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<v Speaker 1>all of the songs on the soundtrack are inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>the motion picture. I'm just taking them at their word,

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<v Speaker 1>taking them literally, you know what I'm saying. So from

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<v Speaker 1>the context of a rap compilation, this project works really well,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a really dope rap album and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really good songs on there. But I feel

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<v Speaker 1>from the concept of inspired by the motion picture, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of misses, you know, like just like real talk,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it. It doesn't have that consistency that immerses me

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<v Speaker 1>in the subject matter of what they're talking about in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. It starts off strong. The opening track you

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<v Speaker 1>have like really cool soul style beats, soul sample, old

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<v Speaker 1>school he beats that that definitely fit the vibe in

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of the movie. So like the first two tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>they're giving you those those like soul, that soul style,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's definitely it sounds like the images that you

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<v Speaker 1>see when you see the movie. It's you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like when you watch the trailer, when you

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<v Speaker 1>see the film, it it sounds like, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like inspired by some sixties seventies era stuff. But quickly

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of falls the wayside. So the opening track,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. Fred Hampton's son, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of giving like a rundown of what Fred

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<v Speaker 1>Hampton was about what the Black Panthers were about, how

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<v Speaker 1>what we can do moving forward, and it's got a

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<v Speaker 1>really cool, you know, soul behind it, soul beat and

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<v Speaker 1>it's awesome. The next track that the transitions to is

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<v Speaker 1>a track by the artist Her and this is called

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<v Speaker 1>a Fight for You and that one's dope too. It

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<v Speaker 1>fits along the same lines. And then the third song

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<v Speaker 1>is instantly what takes me out of that mindset, not

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a bad song. The third song is called

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<v Speaker 1>E p M D. By Nas. It's a really fucking

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<v Speaker 1>dope song, but that's it. It's a dope Nas song.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. He's like name dropping like

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and Nike, and you know what I'm saying, It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it just takes you out of the period aspect

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<v Speaker 1>that you were in. And the the album kind of

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<v Speaker 1>follows that trend as you go on, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like rappers are talking about, hey man, I'm getting a Grammy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making stacks yo. Man, we we we we we

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a rich nigga. Like there's a song by Asy

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky called rich Nigga Problems that's just about him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's like just the Si Rocky song.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a little Dirk song on there where

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, talking, but like literally the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he says is, I wrote this after the Grammys, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's just it doesn't make me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>Judas and the Black mist. I I have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time really believing that all of these songs were inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by the by the movie. Now some of them are,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are definitely the standout tracks that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a little bit snippets from some of them. Definitely

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<v Speaker 1>you can hear that. It's like, hey, man, this is

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<v Speaker 1>whichever artists they watched the film and then they went

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio or whatever. But then there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of songs on here that that definitely sound like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have this extra g Herbo track that's hot,

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<v Speaker 1>the excuse to use it, Let's put it on the soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just the regular g Herbo trap drill song,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And also the sonic sonically,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that the inconsistency in the beat choices, how

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<v Speaker 1>at some elements, at some points it's really like period

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<v Speaker 1>esque and it's really soul sample old jazz samples and

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<v Speaker 1>then it'll go straight up into something that sounds, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was made yesterday. You know that that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of taking me out of it. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, like I mean, ultimately with the soundtrack, like

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<v Speaker 1>I think back to like the Black Panther soundtrack as

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<v Speaker 1>like a movie soundtrack. I like the uh that like

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<v Speaker 1>thematically had very little to do with like uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>plot or characters or you know, anything with the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but aesthetically captured the same vibe. I felt like where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yo, like afro a Futurists to three

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ship and so I feel you though I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to ask, like, even if it is

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<v Speaker 1>a soup racking rapping about how we just left the Grammys,

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<v Speaker 1>like does it feel no? No? Because what because what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is like if you took the ASoP rocky

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<v Speaker 1>song Rich Nigga Problems off of this and put it

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<v Speaker 1>on his album, it would be fine, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, And I think I don't. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>saying like that's an issue like yo, that's why the

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<v Speaker 1>song is bad or oh that makes the album bad,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just like it just doesn't feel like inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by the movie, which is a very you know, specific critique,

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<v Speaker 1>but the thing does say inspired by the motion picture

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<v Speaker 1>on on the front of it, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's it's because of because the movie is

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<v Speaker 1>more serious. It's not like there's the famous soundtrack for

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<v Speaker 1>like Tim Burton's Batman, which is pretty much just like

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<v Speaker 1>a Prince album, you know what I'm saying. It has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with Batman at all, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like it's Batman. So it's not like a weighty sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing like that where you're necessarily going in there like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>is Prince about to make ten songs where he's singing

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<v Speaker 1>about Batman? Whereas with this, yeah, I kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>expect to listen to songs that are about the movie

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<v Speaker 1>that I saw, and there's twenty two songs on it

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<v Speaker 1>that's already way too long. It's like a fucking gets

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<v Speaker 1>the hour and some change along. I feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>just if you go and isolate the ten or find

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<v Speaker 1>songs on here that are actually inspired by the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have a much stronger project. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into some of these tracks. Um, if you could get

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<v Speaker 1>on the YouTube Machine. So the first one that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring up, and this is also going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a change of pace for me, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>the songs that best illustrate and keep consistent the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm talking about are not rap songs. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>the it's like the R and B jams, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, that really get that vibe. So the

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<v Speaker 1>first one is fight for You by her Blood fil

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<v Speaker 1>Hair I'm Hellas, mostly because as we listen to it,

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<v Speaker 1>I frantically try to figure out what the sample was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it is one uman. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>almost like it's an interprelation of Curtis Mayfield's but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's what it is. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, it's I don't think it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>direct sample. But again, just using that that that melody

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, at the very least, it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>starts off that way, and I think using that metally

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<v Speaker 1>that melody instantly puts you in the period of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie is you know what I'm saying. So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like it's trying to be a retro beat or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but just musically and sonically, Like, again,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen the movie, but I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>could take that. I could take the trailer, mute the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and just play the trailer for Judas in the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Messiah with that song, and it works perfectly, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean even even like in

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<v Speaker 1>the pre course we're talking about freedom from my brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>because I just freedom from the others, credo from the

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<v Speaker 1>leaders they're keeping us. I'm gonna keep us strong, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talking about these themes of liberation. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later on um where is it? Um

1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:53.240
<v Speaker 1>punched myself in the eye? Uh Um, will they knock

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<v Speaker 1>on your door? Will you be ready for war? Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like echoing the knock at the door that they

1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:01.000
<v Speaker 1>got from the FBI. That's a full night, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and like are you you strapped up to defend yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>So like thematically, it's even got some echoes from like

1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:11.040
<v Speaker 1>aspects of the film. So I think of the tracks

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<v Speaker 1>on the album just might do it the film the most,

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<v Speaker 1>like Justice Justice. Yeah, because hip hop especially you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you get into like heavy wrap stuff, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>direct and it's such a you know, it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>direct way of expressing an idea, and sometimes, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>movies are like good, subtlety is is usually the order

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, you know what I'm saying. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel that, you know, you just using any

1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:45.200
<v Speaker 1>old rap song for your movie can sometimes kill some

1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of that subtlety, especially if the rap like it can

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<v Speaker 1>do that even if the rapper is rapping about the

1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.479
<v Speaker 1>subject matter at hand. So when the rapper is not

1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:56.120
<v Speaker 1>rapping about the subject matter hand, it really can like,

1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:59.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of break that fourth wall of like

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<v Speaker 1>getting yourself lost in the ship. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>like about this song is like obviously she's wrapped. She's

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<v Speaker 1>singing about you know, freedom for each other, freedom, justice,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. But it's just obscure and vague enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying that it doesn't like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like hammering it. It's not like she's singing yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And Fred Hampton was a real good man and I

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<v Speaker 1>loved him, and he had this guy who was spying

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<v Speaker 1>on like you know what I mean. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like a retelling of the plot of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie or something like that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people don't even it. It doesn't get into the

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get into like the corny nous, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, doesn't feel like after school special thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that kind of brings us to what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was the next standout track, which is Plead the by

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<v Speaker 1>Smino and Saba. Do you see what I mean though,

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<v Speaker 1>by the like the way that he's the way that

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<v Speaker 1>he's rapping, just the style in which he's like approaching

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<v Speaker 1>the content like it's not it's just it just feels like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it just has like again it's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not articulating apathetically complimentary. It's like the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that you see like red and yellow together, like oh,

1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.360
<v Speaker 1>let's go together. Those are different colors, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>can see what you're trying to do there. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea that if the song was made for

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, you know, like all that stuff that's saying

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<v Speaker 1>about how I feel some of them were and some

1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.519
<v Speaker 1>of them weren't. I can't say definitively that this one was,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could be because it's got that that right

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<v Speaker 1>amount of subtlety to its approach that you could apply

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<v Speaker 1>it to whatever. You know what I'm saying. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>the third and last one that we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>check out. It was a rough one, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to give a notable mention to Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>America by Black Thought, C. S. Armstrong and Angel Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>And what else was there? There was I Declare War

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<v Speaker 1>by Nardo Wick. That was that was cool. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit trappy and from the sound kind of took

1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>me out of it. But but I subject matter though

1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:12.559
<v Speaker 1>it was cool. And then also Revolutionary by g Herbo

1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and Bumpy j. Those are good tracks too. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like those three that I just said, in the first

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<v Speaker 1>three that we've listened to, or the first two that

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<v Speaker 1>we've listened to, I feel you put those together, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got like nine songs that are really like reflective of

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. But the last one that we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>into something ain't right. Jeddine Rhapsody, did the Sea like

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<v Speaker 1>a lips blood dye episodes of Black Men. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is like a This is a great

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<v Speaker 1>example of Tod on the line of like impressionistically capturing

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<v Speaker 1>some of the themes of the film. They talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looking for fellowship. Um, we call the coons

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<v Speaker 1>and the government come correct the correction break the racial

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<v Speaker 1>construction that you than up in the spirit of liberation,

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<v Speaker 1>like without being too heavy handed like hered Hampton was Born,

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<v Speaker 1>which I possibly do in this episode. It's just like lightly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just like sprinkling in a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>historic historicity of just like, yeah, this is like the

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<v Speaker 1>real ship and this is what is really about. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>just to to keep the nerd vibes going, I'm stressing

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just like in the context of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>this works better for a movie, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I just like like these songs just um. To

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<v Speaker 1>to make a last point to illustrate what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>is um, I remember when I went and saw Djengo

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Um, a movie that not necessarily my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Tarantino movie, but anyway, I remember when I went

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<v Speaker 1>and saw Djengo the first time, and I normally love

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<v Speaker 1>how Quentin Tarantino uses music and utilize especially like contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>music within his movies and stuff like that, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very you know, he makes very good choices

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<v Speaker 1>with his music. But I remember how everybody thought the

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<v Speaker 1>scene where the Rick Ross song played in Djengo, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was kind of like, oh, man, that's really cool,

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, it probably was, like the point where

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped enjoying the movie is when that song came

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<v Speaker 1>in because it's like, it's a Rick Ross song, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's just like a regular ass

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<v Speaker 1>like Rick Ross song. And that's not that's like nothing

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<v Speaker 1>against Rick Ross. But it's like like if I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching it and then beat It started playing, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, I would not be able to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the movie without thinking us beat It in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of them in the middle of the movie. For like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like how does that work? But again,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you can get into that that line

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<v Speaker 1>with hip hop a lot. So I just appreciate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this album has so many songs on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that I heard enough songs that were like

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<v Speaker 1>that that that it has been scratched and satisfied, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. But if this had just been

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<v Speaker 1>a ten song album, some of these some of the songs,

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<v Speaker 1>for real, like some of them are kind of unnecessary

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<v Speaker 1>for real, it makes it makes this project sound like

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<v Speaker 1>a really really good DJ Clue mixtape in less like

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<v Speaker 1>a serious conceptual soundtrack inspired by a serious movie. Well

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense speaking of things that have gone on

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<v Speaker 1>for far too long. This episode is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a monster. It's two o'clock in the morning and I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to go counter right. Well, just mustard up,

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<v Speaker 1>muster up, just the reserve bit of strength, because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear some bars for you. We didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>any last week before before she passes out, Joel, drop

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<v Speaker 1>a beat. We're the sole infinitely older than this. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one years Chairman Hampton wasn't running for fear, not with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun in this here defend the neighbors from the

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<v Speaker 1>government's gears when they're winding up on your block, and

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<v Speaker 1>started blooding your peers. With care for his community and

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<v Speaker 1>having dutifully studied the leader's revolution as his motherless fears,

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<v Speaker 1>he let him movements so huge that they had to

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<v Speaker 1>go shoot him. But not before we spoke the truth

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<v Speaker 1>of numberless years and say that it's a Bible of

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<v Speaker 1>the fittest. So they pit us like kids in a

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<v Speaker 1>different and pigment of the skin, but hand the piggin.

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<v Speaker 1>But simberland a Mexicans and left the sand the niggers.

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<v Speaker 1>We get all together to endeavor for bigger vision. We

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<v Speaker 1>could free all of us siblings from the prison, gets

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<v Speaker 1>some house that fits to live, and get some breakat

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<v Speaker 1>Flippits and get to educate us children. Get the pencil

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<v Speaker 1>paper stealing all the labor from the millions women's labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Him before us to killed, before we got the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to build it. Now it's up to us to fulfill it. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>my name's Doe Night, I'm lingal Franca and we are

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