1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh you're listening to you waiting on reparations the production 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: of My Heart radio. Yo. They want to call us 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: agitators like we always in the static. They will label 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: you a up felling or you're just an addict. But 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: I think they got it backwards. Talking watches with the ratchets. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying black panthers, not the Marvel cinematic chairman about 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: to speak. If we have a choice, will go stay 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: on your clock. You gotta watch the point tell pro 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: can't depend on them, so we can't have a voice. Help, No, 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: gotta take it. Those will need to help the most 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: get low, so we can't wait for ship. The streets 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: gotta make a shift less organized. We can all watch 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: the racist pigs. Hold our supplies, built those box and 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: play kids. Class solidarities right around the way you dig. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Try to be passive. Its like Buddhism would do black Besides, 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: so I don't need no judice in my crew. If 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: the man had a chance, they would shoot us in 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: the room. That's why I'm cooking the feed like every 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: student in the room, teaching every student right on zoom 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: an Franka. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up, indeed, 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: it is a late night. How are you doing? You 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: have been in that meeting for like five hours this time? Yeah, 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: five and a half five pm until I guess it's 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: like ten five I got out. Um, who what was 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: going on today? UM? So we just had an agenda 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: setting sessions. We're deciding the topics to vote on at 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: our next meeting, and we voted on a couple of 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: things today. We passed a resolution in support of repeal 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: of stan your Ground laws and had a moment of 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: silence for Traymon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Ahmad are Very 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: as well as other victims of UM stand your Ground 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: laws UM in our state and across the South UM. 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: And then we also passed UH I think we spoke 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: spoken previously about the Lennontown resolution UM kind of like 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: apologizing and offer offering a form of reparations to folks 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: displaced by urban renewal. And so that was interesting. I mean, 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: we put like a year or so of work into 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: getting that pass, and one of the commissioners, one of 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: my fellow commissioners that previously um Stone Wall did actually 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: apologize for failing to condemn white supremacy previously and for 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: his role in stalling the legislation getting passed. I was like, okay, 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: I see you send him a little couple clapping emojis. 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: I was like, Hi, bro, what du I mean? He 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: recognized that, like, like this coordinated act of forcible removal 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: from the you know, the homes these black families lived in, 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: was an active white of terrorism and white supremacy. Like 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: he you know, upon his studying the historical documents and 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: seeing what those people had gone through, the intimidation they suffered, 49 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the coercion, the you know, like and in some of 50 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the language that like legislators were is saying to talk 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: about people who lived there, you know, like they were 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: white supremacists and he's sort of fiddling with us was 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: white supremacy, which, like, you know, there's an argument to 54 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: be made of like, oh, well, you want to bring 55 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: people to the table to like, you know, do this 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: work together. Do you really want to go around calling 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: people white supremacists. That's not been bridge building. But I mean, 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: ultimately I feel like you got call call it what 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: it is in order to heal. You can't heal. You 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: can't heal cancer, can't cure cancer if you go around 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: calling it appendicitis. Yeah, it's cancer. In order to do 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: the right treatmentum fix the cancer. And so yeah, if 63 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: if you're not even diagnosing what the problem is, then 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: are you I'm like, oh yeah, I think he started 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: to stone, like, no, this nig got cancer. Yo, doctor, 66 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: please put on the chart that this man has cancer. 67 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Well damn. So, I mean, so what's the because it 68 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: seems like that's been kind of something that a little 69 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: project that's been going on for a minute now. So 70 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: what's the I don't know, like when when's when's they 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: actually going to start going into all these votes and stuff. 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Is it actually starting to go into So yeah, I 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: mean we passed the resolution tonight, and so it's like 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: sets in emotions all this additional work. So at the 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: site where we've already started this, but like to you know, 76 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: the resolution like affirmed. We're working on it. Like we're 77 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: gonna put like a wall of recognition where it's gonna 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: be like historical markers indicating the neighborhood used to be here, 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: and like maybe some kind of like mural of like 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: what the neighborhood used to look like with the kids 81 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: running around and cute stuff. You know, actually where the 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: neighborhood used to be UM and then this committee that 83 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm on with all these people who got you know, 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: kicked out of their homes as children in this place 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: so that the university could build dormitories. UM. They get 86 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: to make recommendations to the budget to the county for 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: what we should spend money on in our budget every 88 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: year on so some of the immediate work to do, 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Like we approve a budget in like May, so we're 90 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: probably gonna keep meeting, and so we can't The thing 91 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: about it was like we couldn't give them the money 92 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: for like, yo, if you were a house which was 93 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: worth two thousand dollars in the the nine six were still 94 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: there today, it would be worth like four. And we 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: can't give that person that three and eighty thousand dollars 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: back that he's taken from the family. But we said, 97 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: he said, instead, y'all can tell us what to spend 98 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: money on at the city, right, And so we'll probably 99 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: start that work soon. So like this's like stuff to 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: do still like however, but it's like it's the beginning. 101 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's like this thing finally got 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, born long gestation period. I kind of already 103 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: know the answer to this question, but like it has 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: to be. Do you get frustrated at the fact that 105 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: it's like you can do like so much work on 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: the particular thing, but it doesn't It's like there's there's 107 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: no process for it where it's like, Okay, we put 108 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: this work in and now it's about to happen. You 109 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: like you always have to constantly go through the motions 110 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: of how things have to work. Does frustrating The most 111 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: soul crushing thing about being an elected official, having been 112 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: and identifying still as an activist is like adjusting to 113 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: the pace of government. It took us a fucking year 114 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: to like all agree on that what we did was bad. Yeah, 115 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: and like we owe them some stuff and we didn't 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: even were even giving them the stuff they asked for. 117 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: We're giving them some other stuff here, and we didn't 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: even get really what this has been a thing that 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: you've been dealing that you've been talking about since before COVID. 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, yeah, like February of last year. That 121 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: that was like that Nebery of last year when we 122 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: first started talking about this resolution was six months or 123 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: maybe even a year after we started writing the arrange. 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: The resolution. So we've been doing this for two years 125 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: just to get like a wall saying this neighborhood used 126 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: to be there. These people get to give and put 127 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: on the budget and like a couple other little things. Yeah, 128 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: and so like in elected life, you sometimes wonder if 129 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: you're like losing yourself when you come to accept the pace, 130 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: But it's like, this is just how it works. I 131 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: have come to accept that it takes a year to 132 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: get something so small like that, Like, but should I 133 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: accept it or should I just like fucking go into 134 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: these meetings and just punch everybody in the face and 135 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: be like nah, niggd, like we do with it like that, 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: no more done today, buck your six months, Like we 137 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: need to get this sh on today, you know. And 138 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: so it just is a constant struggle, like yeah, I 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: want to I want to be like, well, what can 140 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: what can you do to change that? But I don't 141 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: want you to give away your strategies a lot more 142 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: good people, Yeah, because when you're trying to get consensus 143 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: among ten motherfucker's that all believe different ships and care 144 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: to various different degrees or know what the fund is 145 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: going on to various degrees, some of whom not at 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: all know what's happening. Like it's like, uh, I don't know, 147 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: It's like, um, it's I feel like it's uh. It 148 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: reminds me of like home alone when they're trying to 149 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: get an airport and there's like kids trying to get 150 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: you're trying to count them and like everyone here and 151 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: then like you know, it's just a clown car just 152 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: trying to pile people in to get us to this 153 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: very simple destination. And if not not everybody, and if 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: not everybody's in the car, then they're still drinking PEPSI 155 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: mad upstairs, like not, Yeah, we're not on the same 156 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: page at all. Were watching alone recently, I don't know why. 157 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, all right, well let's let's transition. 158 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: What I did also of a note recently, is I 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: watched Judice in the Black Messiah this weekend. You know, 160 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: I haven't watched you. I'll just get some one thing 161 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: funny that we're doing the episode that we're doing, and 162 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie yet, but there's gonna be 163 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily a reason, but there's an explanation for it. 164 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: So we talked last week about the situation with the 165 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: rapper No Name, and the request of her to be 166 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: on the soundtrack for this new movie, Judas in the 167 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Black Messiah, which is a I don't want to say 168 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: it's an autobiography, but it's like a what would you 169 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: what genre would you describe it as? I mean like 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: it it gives me a memoir like feel like an autobiography, 171 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: feels comprehensive of like he was born and then he 172 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: went to fifth grade. But I mean like snapshot really, 173 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: but I mean like genre, like would you say it's 174 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: a thriller? Like okay, So so it's more it's more 175 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: along the lines of being a biopic. But it's not 176 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: like a like an informant drama or like a thriller 177 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: or because that's a heavy element in it. It's like 178 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: the pension, the informant fields about what he's doing, you know, 179 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: starting to I don't want to give too much away, 180 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, he kind of like feels the draws the 181 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: black panthers and like, oh, I what I'm doing wrong? Yeah, 182 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: we didn't do it wrong, everybody. So last Friday, um, 183 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: this new movie, Judas in the Black Messiah was released 184 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: to streaming and the film follows FBI informant William O'Neill 185 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: as he infiltrated the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers 186 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: Party and set an event the you know everything that 187 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: would eventually lead to the assassination of the famed revolutionary 188 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Fred Hampton. Now, um, would you say it's a good movie? 189 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: Like if you had to give it a letter grad 190 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: just just for the movie that you saw on the screen, 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: what would be your I did not feel qualified to 192 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: give a ratings a person as personal though you're not 193 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: giving You're not giving like something like I know you. 194 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: I've talked to you about movies before. You're like, I'll 195 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: give it up. Be like, I'll give it a ninety 196 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: two points barely fairly an A grade. I'm slowly asking 197 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: on the Mariah Park on the on the lingual Franco scale, 198 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: you know. So, um, I think it was a good movie. Yeah, 199 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: I think it's good. You think it was good? All right? 200 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean, like, as a leftist, I 201 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: think it was a good film for leftism, and that 202 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: like I heard, you know, because in our conversation about 203 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: No Name and her qualms with the film last week, 204 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, she was concerned. I believe that like his 205 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: politics weren't comprehensively represented in the film. Yeah, she didn't 206 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: think it was enough about him. You know, Like I 207 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: would agree that the left needs to get better at 208 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: like producing like compelling media to like draw people to 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: our ideas and educate folks. But like the left needs 210 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: to do that. Hollywood is not the left capitalism institution 211 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: or like industrial complex, and so all we need them 212 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: to do is to like introduce them to, like very briefly, 213 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: stuff like not sucking up Super Bad. And I felt 214 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: like from the jump, like and this isn't a spoiler 215 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: because like it's like like in the verse twenty minus 216 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: the film, like it's very explicit that like Fred Hampton 217 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: is this fucking socialist, and like he talks about socialism. 218 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: They're all talking about socialism, and sure they don't get 219 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: into it a ton and the rest of the film 220 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: like they're not going into theory and ship they don't 221 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: get in a theory. They're not like talking about well 222 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: on page seventy six and like now you're not because 223 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: no one was to watch that because that's not an 224 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: entertaining movie. You know, we're trying to people, We're trying 225 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: to give him a taste and so people who have 226 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: watching the movie, you're seeing Fred Hampton being a badass 227 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and there's like a gunfight, so the and so if 228 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: that's all it takes, it was enough of a teaser 229 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: for somebody who doesn't get sure about politics to look 230 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: it up Fred Hampton afterwards and then go and see like, huh, 231 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: who is this? Like you know, yeah, and that's that's 232 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: that's cha whatever, Like yeah, I feel that's that's kind 233 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: of what I was. All I want's just to open 234 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: the door for people who see it and it's not 235 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: curious about more to go learn more. I don't expect 236 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: films from Hollywood to teach actually teach people about So 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: the movie. The movie came out and it's been getting 238 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, good reviews. People seem to like it. Um 239 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: besides for the slight controversy with the no name thing 240 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: in the soundtrack and that particular criticism of it, I 241 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: haven't really seen too many um complaints with the film. Now. 242 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: One thing that I have, you know, discoverag because you know, 243 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: we we talked about it and then a little bit 244 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: after we're like, hey, let's let's do an episode where 245 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: we're talking about Fred Hamptons and it's like just from 246 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: a basic you know, if you do somebody like you 247 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: just said, if someone wants to look up Fred Hampton 248 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: after seeing the movie pretty much, you know, just a 249 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: basic search, you're gonna come into a lot of stuff 250 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: about how he died, in the circumstances in which he died. 251 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, um cointell pro uh rogue, 252 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: FBI agents, and an informant struggling with what he's doing. 253 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: Like all that sort of stuff makes for like an 254 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: intriguing story, whether it's you know, an article or think 255 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: piece being written about it, or whether it's a movie. 256 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: So like most of the stuff that you're gonna find 257 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: about it is going to be, especially now, is going 258 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: to be about the assassination of Fred Hampton's you know, 259 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: like what what led to What were the things that 260 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: led to him being killed? And there's not too many 261 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: just flat out hey, this is who Fred Hampton was 262 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: and this is what he was about, you know what 263 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, without bringing in the aspects of his death. 264 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: So I wanted to we wanted to use this episode 265 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: to talk about Fred Hampton, his politics and what lessons 266 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: can be learned from his revolution Before he was prematurely, 267 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: prematurely taken away from Better Pigs. One last thing I 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: want to say on the film itself before we move 269 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: on to talk about the man. And I think, like 270 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: this point comes up and what we're going to day 271 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: about the man. But just like, if you haven't seen 272 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: the film yet, go into this, go into it with 273 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: this in mind. They cast thirty year old niggas to 274 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: play like like like he's staying field. His character is 275 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: seventeen years old in the in the real human, real life, 276 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: and they got this like thirty old nigga player in 277 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the seventeen year old child Fred Hampton, what was he 278 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: like nineteen? And they got fucking Daniel Kalua. I hope 279 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: that's not his last name. I think. Okay, hold on, 280 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: let me look just be like called the nigga Kalua 281 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: and Kalua pronunciation kaluya close. Okay, Daniel Kalua. He is 282 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: thirty one years old playing twenty year old child. Well 283 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: that that could that's a Hollywood thing too, though, I 284 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: mean in the Hollywood thing that does happen. But imagine 285 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: if they had cast actual children to play these actual children, 286 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Like I feel like the gravity of what they were 287 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: insconsin would like actually sort of thinking like you're you're right, 288 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: but you know what, I think you're both right and 289 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: wrong because I think you're right on While that would 290 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: have been a bet from my just putting on my 291 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: movie nerd Ship, that would have been a better like 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: better aesthetically and it would have looked better because it 293 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: would have been more realistic to the you know what 294 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: they were portraying from a technical aspect, you're doing something 295 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: like this, you want motherfucker's that know how to act, 296 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And this is not shipping, 297 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: not on a younger actor and stuff like that. But 298 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: the people who are in this movie are fucking veteran 299 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: actors who you can if you're a director, and you're right, 300 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: they do a great job. If you're director actor, you 301 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: don't have to be afraid to put a camera on 302 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Kluya for five minutes and have him just look 303 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: you express some emotion and stuff like that. But I mean, 304 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: just and this is all you know, again, with all 305 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: due respect, if you're dealing with a seventeen year old actor, 306 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: you probably have to search a lot harder to find 307 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: that that actor who can do that. Who's that young, 308 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, So I'll give him a break on that. 309 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm an older cat, so I've been 310 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: seeing high school students played by four year old motherfucker's 311 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: since I was a kid and ship, so it's all 312 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: it's all good with me. I get why they did that, 313 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: but um yeah, so we're gonna We're gonna get into 314 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: that and a little bit more. We're also going to 315 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: do for the music discussion is we are going to 316 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: do a quick little mini review of the soundtrack that 317 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: kind of brought all of this to our attention anyway. 318 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: It's a star studied hip hop extravaganzas soundtrack that they 319 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: made for this uh movie. So we're gonna go into 320 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: it and listen to some select cuts and kind of 321 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: give our overall thoughts on how this works a as 322 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: a rap album, but be also as a soundtrack that 323 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: is advertising itself as being inspired by the film that 324 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: you're I see on the screen. So that's where I'm 325 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: going to be judging with south track from we will 326 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: be into all that and more after the jump. Okay, 327 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: August is the year Fred Hampton was born, and what 328 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: is now summ at Illinois. His parents were transplants from Louisiana, 329 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: some of the six million or so rural Southern United 330 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: States dwellers of African descent that north um to the northeast, Midwest, 331 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: and West in order to escape for economic conditions and 332 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the Hellish racism under Jim Crow States in the South 333 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: um in between the years of nineteen six and nineteen seventies. 334 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: So right there, smack in the middle, Fred Hampton's parents 335 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: have moved up to Illinois. He gets born, and from 336 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: a young age it was noticed that Fred was a 337 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: pretty gifted student and athlete. He even wanted to like 338 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: pitch for the Yankees one day, or play for the 339 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Yankees at least, I don't know what position you've played. 340 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: But his future activism also shine really early on too, 341 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: perhaps a precursor to the Black Panthers free breakfast programs 342 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: that we're gonna touch on a little bit later. When 343 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: he was ten years old, he would host weekend breakfasts 344 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: for the neighborhood kids, and he would go so far 345 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: as to even cook all of the meals himself. What 346 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: do you think about that? So cute? I mean, I'm 347 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot to say. I think about mutual 348 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: aid and its role in like shaping communities and like 349 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: pushing for transformation and communities as a part of this, 350 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: because I think it's a huge lesson from the Black panthers. Um. 351 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: But I think in particular, like it's interesting to me, 352 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: just like the way the Great Migration shaped, like Black 353 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: liberation movement stuff is something I just would love to 354 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: learn more about and delve more into. As some that's 355 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: like my family didn't really leave the South, didn't go 356 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: nowhere down here. Someone was making the point that there 357 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: should be another Great Migration. You're saying that black people 358 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: should migrate back to the South of African Americans live 359 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: in the South South already exactly, So, Um, wouldn't it 360 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: be funny? Though? I saw this like stupid fucking meme 361 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter or something that was like, you know, like 362 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: if we if like all the you know, tech bros 363 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: working on their MacBooks at a you know, Williamsburg coffee 364 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: shop moved to Montana or Nebraska or Wyoming or wherever, 365 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred thousand, five hundred thousand people, we 366 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: could like flip the sentences. I've I've definitely heard a 367 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: few right wing talking heads like make reference to that 368 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: losing their ship. About man, what are these people from 369 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: California moving to Texas? This is like I don't like 370 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: this ship, man, what's going on? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 371 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: But like you know, you get a hundred thousand of 372 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: black people to move to Wyoming to have like a 373 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: self sustaining I don't know, commune and some ship. And 374 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: also you know they also elect a new senator, Senator. 375 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Uh no, I do not advocate for a great migration 376 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: of any kind. South built the South. This is Arland. 377 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: Everyone should everyone come back to the South. Let's really 378 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: take a ship over. Let's reclaim Atlanta. Okay, So back 379 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: back to Freddie so so okay, so you know that 380 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: this is this activist part of him was being noticed 381 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: at you know, very young age, and this development of 382 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: organizing in the community and you know, starting these free 383 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: breakfast programs where he would cook for neighborhood kids. This 384 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: development would carry on into his teen years, whereas a 385 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: high schooler he would lead lockouts to protest blacks being 386 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: left out of the homecoming runnings, and he fought to 387 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: get more black teachers and administration hired by the faculty. 388 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: He ended graduating with honors and varsity letters, as well 389 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: as a Junior Achievement Award in nineteen sixty six. Now, 390 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: the amazing thing about that saying that to me, And 391 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: it's also like when you consider the movie, so it's 392 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: like Fred Hampton died in nineteen sixty nine, right, and 393 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: here I am just telling you that he graduated high 394 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: school in nineteen sixty six. So this means that all 395 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: of the not all, but it means a good chunk 396 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: of the impact and legacy that this dude left on 397 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: the world was between the fucking three years that he 398 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: graduated high school and died. This nigga went from Ayo, 399 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: why the no mo fucking black homecoming queens getting murdered 400 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: by the f year three years later? Wild wow? But 401 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: then the year rolled So after graduating from high school, 402 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: he had enrolled in Triton Junior Community College or he 403 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: majored in pre law, started to gather ammunition winklink informa 404 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: legal no use as a defense against the police. He 405 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: would later on go on to use this like when 406 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: they would do they had like a watch the police 407 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: program that he set up where they would actually follow 408 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: the cops and monitor them like as they patrolled the 409 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: neighborhoods and stuff like that. So whenever the cops will 410 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: trying to funk with them, you know, everyone who he 411 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: would view with would look to him because he would 412 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: know how to talk to the cops because he has 413 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: like all that legal knowledge and ship like that, so 414 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: they couldn't mess with them like that. Um. It was 415 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: around nineteen sixty six, after he turned eighteen that some 416 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: of his political identities started to crystallize. He formed a 417 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: solidarity with the Third World Socialism movement that was a 418 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: philosophy that's made up of African, Arab, Latin, Buddhist, Islamic 419 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: versions of socialism with the worldview that socialism was the 420 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: answer to establishing a strong and developed nation. Uh. This 421 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: was all in the as the Vietnam War was really 422 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: starting to ratchet up in violence and Fred began to 423 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: read the work of Shakavara Ho Chi Minh maoz A 424 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: Dung and other communists revolutionaries. After getting involved with and 425 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: quickly moving up the ranks into leadership of the in 426 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: Double A CP, Fred used his natural abilities as a 427 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: community organizer to activate a youth group five members deep 428 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: to fight for more and better recreational facilities and improved 429 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: educational resources in their community. So how's the boy doing 430 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: so far out of high school? We're doing okay at 431 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it is rare, 432 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: at least in my personal experience as an organizer, as 433 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: well as just like thinking about great figures of contemporary 434 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: times that are like leading like modern day social movements 435 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: that synthesize this, this this theoretical found um grounding in 436 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: like the you know, writings and readings of the writings, 437 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: readings the fucking words and books of of like the 438 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: of of revolutionary thinkers with actual action in the community. 439 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: I feel like you see, particularly you know now more 440 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: than ever, like a lot of like folks that like 441 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: read theory and then like just shot on other people 442 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: for not knowing about it. I mean that a person 443 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: that like I don't fucking read theory. I've never read 444 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: up sh at all um, but like, you know, operate 445 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: from a from a grounding of just like deep compassion 446 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: and like just care that the community, and like I think, 447 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: I think your natural quality and like I believe thing 448 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: is going to be better. I don't know, I think 449 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: your natural interests though in like the subject matter it 450 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: makes I don't know, it makes it more like somebody 451 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: like me to get into it would have to read theory. 452 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I think that like 453 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: for someone like you, who's like very hands on and 454 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: like in the ground level of it, that I think 455 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: you can better form of understanding of what these concepts 456 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: are because it's like you know how they or how 457 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: they will to actually apply in real life and stuff 458 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: like that. Whereas someone who is more like like you. Remember, 459 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: we had a discussion early on in the show when 460 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: I was we were trying to determine whether or not 461 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I was a socialist or not, and it was like 462 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly. It's like it's like I feel like I 463 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: feel like yeah, but then it's like, man, I don't 464 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: know enough about it to claim that ship because I 465 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: don't want you know what I mean, and not not 466 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: from my perspectives, Like I don't want to like claim 467 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: some something the have people like, man, you pose it, man, 468 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: you wait with the ship you believe in that straight up. 469 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: That's why I don't read theory and I don't want 470 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: to become one of those assholes that's like man to 471 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: baby Broby bro tears streamed down the face into the beard, 472 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: into the weird. Um. So yeah, I mean and like 473 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and here we see that well before he got this 474 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: like theoretical grounding in you know, tenets, a third world 475 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: like internationalist socialist movement. Um, he already feeding people. And 476 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: that's the thing if you have like a penchant, if 477 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: you just want to go feed people in your community, 478 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: and you don't know why, you don't have nobody told 479 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: like some old dead like communist guy, I didn't tell 480 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: you to do it. You're just like I think, you know, 481 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: I should need food weekend breakfast for neighborhood kids. Let's 482 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: do that. Like that is more revolutionary to me than like, 483 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, reading a bunch and then not doing ship. 484 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: So reading a reading a bunch and starting a YouTube show. Yeah, 485 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I guess. I say that to say 486 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: that I ultimately, in my own work find that the 487 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: grounding and community engagement then like inflected with understanding of theory, 488 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: is like an important orientation to have among our leadership. 489 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: So a sense of like, I'm out here doing good 490 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: and then later I read a book about like the 491 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: best way to do good, and so I'm going to 492 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: combine my real world knowledge with like what the old 493 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: dead guy in the book said, like that is that's 494 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: that sweet spot that made people that made someone like 495 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: Fred Hampton so like transformative in their community and in 496 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: our history. And the thing that the sense that I 497 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: couldn't quite get from reading about it, and I wonder 498 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: if this was you can maybe tell me if this 499 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: was captured in the movie, is um it was a 500 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: thing that he was so young? Right? Like I mean, 501 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't. I feel like no, And I feel like 502 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: in the movie like he was just some who's just 503 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: a person that made it seem like he was older. Okay, 504 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: so I said so, I mean, like so I wonder 505 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: if like the people around him, because you know, because 506 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I would imagine there were a lot of radicalized, activated 507 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: young people back then, you know what I'm saying, probably 508 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: more so than now. Would you think of now? Is that? 509 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: One thing that I'm wondering is we have this conversation 510 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: it's like what sorts of pipelines to what kind of 511 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: leadership are we building in like our communities for for 512 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: young people today? Like I don't know why, Like sure 513 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: there's not a there there weren't a ton of Fred 514 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: Hampton's then either that's why there's one Fred Hampton that 515 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: stands out to us history. But like we don't have zero, 516 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: We've got none for what do you got a single one? Like? 517 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, so what are we channeling people with 518 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: this organic like leadership potential and like desire and drive 519 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: to help their community, Like what are we funneling them into? 520 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. Are things working against you 521 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: though in that sense, because I mean, I just think 522 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: like all of society, I think American society for like 523 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: at least the last thirty years has kind of been 524 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: designed to pacify people, you know what I'm saying, to 525 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: make it harder for Fred Hampton to to get out there. 526 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: And you know, as I even though I just said that, 527 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: like he listened hearing what you just said, it also 528 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: made me think that a lot of the technologies that 529 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: are very pacifying in a way that simy like the 530 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: rise of leadership in like a traditional sense, are also 531 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: tools by which people, young people particularly are engaging in 532 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: like really powerful forms of mass political education. Like I'm 533 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: not on TikTok, I'm not twenty nine years old, but 534 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: I like the zoomers are like from what I can 535 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: tell Hella talking about socialism and ship on the there's 536 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: definitely a lot of them. I don't know how dominant 537 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: it is, but there definitely is like a strong political 538 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: It's like just ecosystem on TikTok for sure, like on 539 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: the left and the right. What's up? Okay, So trying 540 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: to Okay, it's the study before I looked it up 541 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: again just so I could accurately quote its findings. UM. 542 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: According to a study from last year, nearly one third 543 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: of gen z um support Marxism or socialism UM, which 544 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: is up from six percent in two thousand nineteen. I 545 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: don't know what this means. I don't know, like you know, 546 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: what it means that something really bad happened that shocked 547 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people and changing the way that they thought. Yeah, 548 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: let collapse and racial just almost civil war uprising, and yeah, yeah, 549 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. So okay. So I guess I'm trying 550 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: to say is that we also have to think about 551 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: the way that social movements are shifting, given like the 552 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: diversified and fragmented media landscape UM and technology landscape they 553 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: were not living in. And so one of the things 554 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that's like seems like a drawback, but maybe is it 555 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: benefit to like everyone's on a different social media platform, 556 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: everyone's watching different YouTubers, are reading different they're listening to 557 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: different podcasts, and they're not There's not like, oh, you 558 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: turn on the TV and there's like the one news 559 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: network that everyone watches and see it's okay on and 560 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: so everyone thinks MLK is the dude. There's not that 561 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: sort of like beautifying culturals like guys anymore. And so 562 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: it makes it like so that the movement it's harder 563 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 1: to kill because like, well, who's the Fred Hampton? You're 564 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: shooting their bed? Now? Who is it? You can't Oh, 565 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: you can't figure you there's too many that are operating 566 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: on smaller scales, and so we don't know which one's 567 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: worth murdering or I don't know, like Keevin Ferguson, activists 568 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: turned up dead since the thousand fourteen. Maybe I spoke 569 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: pres soon. Um so, so I don't know. We've nda 570 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: get off on a tantent talking about like why don't 571 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: we to make Fred Hampton's anymore? And I get the 572 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: experienswer is we do? But it's different we do, but 573 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: it's the well, um so, while he was making moves 574 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: this we're going back to Fred Hampton. Now, sorry, y'all, 575 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be transitioning in our thoughts and the subject matter. 576 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: But okay. So while he was making moves in then 577 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: double a CP, the Black Panthers began a rise in 578 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: the national national prominence, and their approach to the struggle 579 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: is one that Hampton found really appealing. The reason for 580 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: that attraction well coincides with his readings and the forming 581 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: of his new political identity. The Panthers, through Huey Newton 582 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: and Bobby Seals, utilized the ten Point program that combined 583 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: black self determination with class and economic critiques from Maoism. 584 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: It laid out the physical needs and all philosophical principles 585 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: that Fred wanted to lead it. So what is the 586 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: ten point program? Mut's break down the points? Point point? 587 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: What you want? What do we want? Now? I feel 588 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: like we need to do this and like the it 589 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: feels like it needs to be some bootcamp militaristic type 590 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: way we say it. What do we want? We want freedom? 591 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: We want power to determine the destiny of our Black community. 592 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: I knowed to be like call and response or something, 593 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: but they did want freedom. They wanted power to determine 594 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: the destiny. They wanted all employment for people, which y'all 595 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: know I've been harping on fucking guaranteed incommission. It was 596 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: on that ship. They wanted to end to the robbery 597 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: by capitalists of the black and oppressed communities. They want 598 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: a decent housing fit for shelter of human beings. You 599 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: want an education for people that exposes the true nature 600 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: of this decadent American society. We want an education that 601 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: teaches us a true history and our role in present 602 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: day society. We want all black men to be exempt 603 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: from military service. You want an immediate end to police 604 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: brutality and murder of black people. We want freedom for 605 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: all black men held in federal, state, county, and city 606 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: prisons in jails. Want all black people, when brought to trial, 607 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: to be tried by a jury of their peer group 608 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: or people from the black communities as identified by the 609 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States. And in closing, we want bread, housing, education, clothing, 610 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: injustice and peace. I felt that was an important thing 611 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: for us to say, because you know, I'm like interested 612 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: in this ship, and I don't think I had ever 613 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: like just straight up read the ten Points of the 614 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: Black Panther Party until doing this, you know what I'm saying. 615 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of this still resonates with like 616 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: policies that are much needed today and that have like 617 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: echoed forward in time through the demands made by various 618 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: social movements, groups and leaders. The one thing I kind 619 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: of want to dig into is the idea of black 620 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: self determination. The very first point. We want freedom, we 621 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: want power to determine the destiny of our black community. 622 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: And when I think about soft of community self determination 623 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: in the context of like, you know, community like mine 624 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: that I represent, which is like predominantly and historically black 625 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: and working class, how black capital of them like is 626 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: seen as like getting that self determination, like like if 627 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: we just have enough wealth where we can like buy 628 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: a home and then flip it if we want to, 629 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: or just like be an entrepreneur and make money, but 630 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: then only pay our worker, like then we'll be good. 631 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: Like it's interesting to me that like, um, perhaps you know, 632 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: and you know this is decontextualized since we're just like 633 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: reading off the list rather than like hearing it within 634 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: the general like discourse of the time, But like how 635 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: that particular point could be what I would imagine, like 636 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: you could say, is misconstrued by like modern day like 637 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: black neoliberals, like we want to determine the destiny of 638 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: our black community. I feel that like yeah, and like 639 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: and gain a sense that like, oh, we are the 640 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: spiritual successors of someone like but Fred Hampton. When it's 641 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: like if you think that like every every black person 642 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: being a business owner, like that's that's gonna be the fix. 643 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,479 Speaker 1: When it's like, well, what are they paying the people 644 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: that work for them? Like what the working conditions of 645 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: the people that work for them? Like what are their 646 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: business practices? Are they exploiting the earth? Are they exploiting 647 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: like other people like Dada Da Da Da? Are all 648 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: still fairy fundamental in like and ultimately just society. I 649 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: don't know to what degree at all, but I mean 650 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: hip hop definitely has played its role in like this 651 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: sort of messaging two people that attitude that you know, 652 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: like you're saying that like black capitalism is the cure 653 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: for all you know. What I'm saying is as somebody 654 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: who's grown up for thirty years listening to hip hop 655 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: and ship, it's like that that's like that's get Richard 656 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: died trying that association of freedom being with like economic 657 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: gain or economic freedom and solely that. And it's not 658 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: like a judgment of that, because I think it's understandable. 659 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't somebody want to look out for them and theirs. 660 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: It's just the messaging. If that message gets drone, and 661 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: it gets drone and it becomes there's a reason why 662 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: when you hear rappers who speak in broader terms of 663 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: like community and the people and ship like that, it's 664 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: eyebrow raising. It's like, oh, man, that that motherfucker's cool, 665 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, because that's not the norm. And not to 666 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: downplay at all with any rapper does like community wise 667 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: off the mic. But I've been stressing since we started 668 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: this show, and I keep stressing the power of hip hop, 669 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: I believe is like a real thing, you know. And 670 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: it's like if you keep droning on a message, you know, 671 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: it's just it's just not shocking to me that after 672 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: thirty years of messaging, people are a lot more prone 673 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: to be like, yo, man, what can I do get 674 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: but get money? You know. And obviously there's other factors. 675 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: I would just imagine that the most dominant aspect of 676 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: pop culture telling you the same ship over and over 677 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: again possibly have an effect. And I guess I want 678 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: to like push back on that slightly with a reference 679 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: to Vince Staples in North North where he says, hit 680 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: the corner, make a dollar, flip it. Let the dollars 681 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: with my mom and children, and so it being indicative 682 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: of like there's this ethos of community care where it's 683 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: like whatever you get, you split with your mama children, 684 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: like you split with your boys. You make sure your 685 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: mama got her lights onto their house, like you make 686 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: sure your people are good. But it's how you get 687 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: those gains that everybody is so confused about that would 688 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: agree hip hop um like this misconception hip hop helps proliferate, 689 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: but it's also just pervasive in America media or large 690 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, in the news, and and so it's not 691 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: I don't think it's like specifically endemic to hip hop 692 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: that like this is Oh, I don't. I wouldn't put 693 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: the blame solely at the feet of hip hop. I'm 694 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: just I'm just speaking from what my from from what 695 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: I feel that you know, from my exposure to hip hop. 696 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm just saying what I feel that that line and 697 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: the line came to me because like it also indicates 698 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: the inverse where it's like, yes, there's this like get rich, 699 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: do try and step on where you gotta get and 700 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: make your money, like you know, get mine, you get yours. 701 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's because because we've got 702 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: to look out for people, for our people. So like 703 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: I think if we could like somehow uplift that ethos, 704 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: Like I think you could undo this whole ship just 705 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: like yo, you know how like we all really care 706 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: about our people and making sure they're good. What if 707 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: instead of buying crack for five dollars and selling it 708 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: for money, you know, Like I don't know, I can't 709 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: come up with a good metaphor where we grow, we 710 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: grow the cocaine ourselves and all the riches gained from 711 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: something that though I don't know, I was going, Um, 712 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: we films it, like you know, it's just like how 713 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: you get how you get the gains to then split 714 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: amongst your people, Like part we gotta like rehash out 715 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: as like a subculture. But the ethos are taking care 716 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: of our people is already there. Yeah, So let's kind 717 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: of break down a little bit more about what each 718 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: of these pen points means or like what they were 719 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: seeking truly with each of these. So okay, so we 720 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: want full employment for our people. That's pretty self explanatory. Yeah, 721 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: they said they believe that the federal government is responsible 722 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: and obligated to give every man employment or guaranteed income. 723 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: Where if I heard these things before, Um, we believe 724 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: that the white if the white American businessman will not 725 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: give full employment, the means of production should be taken 726 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: from the businessman in place in the community so that 727 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: the people of the community can organize and employ all 728 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: of its people and give a high standard of living. 729 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: So these ideas of federal job guarantee, guaranteed employment from 730 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: the federal government coupled with universal basic income are still 731 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: ideas that have widely talked about, Uh in the main 732 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's becoming increasingly mainstreamed today. Um, this is 733 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: what they're talking about even back then. Oh then then 734 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: then you got the good old season, the means of 735 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: production cash it. So third, we believe that this racist 736 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: government has robbed us and now are we are demanding 737 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: our overdue debt. Forty acres two mules. Forty acres two 738 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: mules was promised a hundred years ago as redistribution for 739 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 1: slave labor and mass murder of black people. Will accept 740 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: the payment and currency which will be distributed to our 741 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in 742 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: Israel for genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered 743 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: six million Jews. Is the American racist has taken part 744 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: in the slaughter of over fifty million black people. Therefore, 745 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: we feel this is a modest demand that we make. 746 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with this. I mean 747 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: it kind of us, but doesn't really. More on the 748 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: topic of the podcast, generally we are called waiting on 749 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,959 Speaker 1: reparations and then talking about reparations. Something is a meeting tonight. Yeah, 750 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: so another Black commission there's three of us on the commission, 751 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: and it's one of the other two black commissioners tonight 752 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: had said, because we're voting on a packager for reparations 753 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: to the people who have their land taken under urban renewal, 754 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: and he said that he doesn't want reparations because even 755 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: if he got them, he could still end up dead 756 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: under the knee of a cop like George Floyd. And 757 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: this is also I feel like worth flrowing in the 758 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: mix here is also a man that, like the humanly 759 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: supports the police. So wait, what I just I just like, 760 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: can we just unpack it for a second. Hold on, 761 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: let me just see if I can. Okay, So he said, 762 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want reparations because even if I 763 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: did get them, I could still end up dead under 764 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: the knee of a So like, does he not want 765 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: to get paid at work? Like, I just I don't. 766 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't understand the correlation of those two things. I 767 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: don't either. I think it unpacked because you know, we 768 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: are this is a show that is titled about reparations, 769 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, actually, that's an interesting, kind of interesting point, 770 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: like weird and dumb, but like like underneath kind of 771 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: profound that reparations on their own, we wouldn't make it 772 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: so that cops would stop killing black people. No, not 773 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,399 Speaker 1: at all, but but it seems like right, It's it's 774 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: right in the sense that like, yeah, that's factually right, Like, yeah, 775 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: if if I got reparations, a cops still could put 776 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: his knee on his neck. Yeah, And it wasn't what 777 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't get what I do. But what I don't 778 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: get is I don't get I don't want reparations because 779 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: the cop because do you know, do you feel what 780 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like that just doesn't make sense, Like I 781 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: don't understand why you but I've heard people structure of 782 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: like the because of this then this, like the way 783 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: he said it doesn't make sense. But um, I guess 784 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: like in short, he's like kind of right, but let's 785 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: just deconstructed in the level. That's what I would have 786 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: said to him at the meeting if I had given 787 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: a ship, but mostly thought he was dumb and didn't 788 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: want to talk about it. Um, Like, let's think about 789 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: George Floyd. It feels like he had a kind of 790 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 1: a hard life and we've talked previously on the show 791 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: about like generations back, had had land stolen from his family, um, 792 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: which had set him up for precarity in his adulthood, 793 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, struggles with you know, violence, behavioral issues, argubuse. 794 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: Like had his family been paid reparations to the land 795 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: I've been taken for them, maybe would have had a 796 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: stabler life. That would have not led him to allegedly 797 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: use a counterfetween the four dollar bill at that gas station, 798 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: so he wouldn't have had the run in with the 799 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: cops that would lead to the end of his life. 800 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: In a sense, actually reparations what would have proven sure 801 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: would help ensure that lots of people get killed by 802 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: the cops because they would put them in fewer precarious 803 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: situations to necessitate police response, creating the circumstance in which 804 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: they are killed. I mean, I'm I'm personally somebody. I 805 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: feel that somebody can make an argument against reparations that 806 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: I can disagree with but still be like, Oh, I 807 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 1: see the point that you're trying to make. You know 808 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And it's like I hear you, like 809 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's it's a complicated issue. I just 810 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: don't think that this is it, though I should also 811 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 1: could have been because I was longs mine. It's blown 812 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: my mind. I'm really sitting here trying to wonder, like 813 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: what point he was trying to make, Like guys, like, 814 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: it's not the point. Like again, the point that he's 815 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: making is accurate, but it just doesn't make sense. I 816 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: don't want reparations. What do you gain? What do you gain? 817 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: And making this argument right now, you honestly, if you 818 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: you could replace a cop could still kill me with 819 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: anything and just ask yourself, even that makes sense, guys, 820 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: I don't want reparations because I can still die from 821 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: high blood pressure. Yeah, like what what you know? Like 822 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: a it's helf also a matter of systemic racism and 823 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: the environmentalism contributing. Like so that's not even that's not 824 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: even a crazier analogies literally, yeah, it's lines. Yeah wow, 825 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: So thank you for entertaining this. Uh this tangent good 826 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: on my fine, all right, So back to the ten points. 827 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: So we believe that if white landlords will not get 828 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 1: decent housing to our black communities, then the housing in 829 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: the land should be made into cooperative so that our community, 830 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,760 Speaker 1: with government aid, can build and make a decent housing 831 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: for his people. Feel that we believe in an educational 832 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: system that will give our people a knowledge of self. 833 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: If a man does not have knowledge of himself and 834 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: his position in society in the world, then he has 835 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: little chance to relate to anything else. I feel that too. 836 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no lies there and that I mean 837 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: that looks like a little bit of a little hip 838 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: hop crossover there with um I think it's kres one. 839 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: That's the fifth pillar of hip hop is knowledge. Yeah. Oh, no, 840 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: it's Africa Bombata alright. We believe black people should not 841 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: be forced to fight in the military service to defend 842 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: a racist government that does not protect us. We will 843 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: fight and kill other people of color in the world 844 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: who like black people. We will not fight or kill 845 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: other people of color in the world who, like black people, 846 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: are being victimized by white, racist government of America. We 847 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: will protect ourselves from the force of violence and the 848 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: racist police and the racist military by whatever means necessary. 849 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine how radicalizing it must 850 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: have been during the Vietnam War to be called by 851 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: a government that hates you to go kill people that 852 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: are also brown, who you have a lot more in 853 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: common with than like the politicians signing off on like 854 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 1: the War Authorization Act or whatever. Well, one of the 855 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: things that you can't overlook is that one of the 856 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: things that started, you know, some of these revolutionary movements 857 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: on the state side, is when you had black soldiers 858 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: go and fight fascism in World War Two, and then 859 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 1: they're fighting, they're seeing like that integrated society is possible. 860 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: When they're like seeing like how the Europeans are doing it. 861 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: Then they come back home and they can't even drink 862 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: out of the same water fountains and other exact Nazis 863 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: for goddamn uh. Well, So we believe you can in 864 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: police brutality in our black community by organizing black self 865 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: defense rooms that are dedicated to defending our black community 866 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: from racist police depression and brutality. The Second Amendment of 867 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: the Constitution of the United States gives us the right 868 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,439 Speaker 1: to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people 869 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: should arm themselves for self defense. I'm sure Ben Shapiro 870 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: agrees with that. One friend Shapiro loves that. Sure Ben Shapiro. 871 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder definitely agrees with that. I'm sure yeah, in 872 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: rates all up on him. Yeah, looking forward to that, 873 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,919 Speaker 1: like like to use tenants of the US Constitution too, 874 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: like to bolster revolutionary claim like that in themselves or 875 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: like in their broader ideology challenge the legitimacy of that constitution. 876 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So like the idea that like 877 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: white men don't have any right to be saying like, 878 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: you know why yo, white man won't give us housing. 879 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: White men you know, be killing us, white men, like 880 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: taking our labor to build this country and the you 881 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,760 Speaker 1: know upon which upon you know, who's founding is builds 882 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: upon this constitution. But because the constitution says we can 883 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 1: bear arms, We're gonna like stick that in there because 884 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: that you guys, you know, because at least you will 885 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: give a shoot about the constitution. So like maybe you'll 886 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 1: listen to when we like use your own words back 887 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 1: at you. I don't know, I don't like. I don't 888 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 1: know if it's like it kind of strikes me as 889 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: sort of um contradictory. Get it, like use their own 890 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: arguments for why you should do the thing. This is 891 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: cool reading This is because have you you know, I, 892 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, I haven't seen the Judas in 893 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: the Black Messiah movie, but I have seen the Black Panthers, 894 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: the Panther movie that was made in No No, No 895 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: No in in ve or ninety six. Mario Van People's 896 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: who directed New Jack City, he directed a Black Panthers 897 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,279 Speaker 1: movie that was more it was more like about like 898 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Rise and Fall of the Black Panthers. 899 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember whether that movie was good. I think 900 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: it was. I think it was just that I know 901 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: it was one of those movies where like damn near 902 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: every black actor except Desoe Washington was in it. You 903 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was one of those like 904 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: huge ensemble movies. But it's just I remember some of 905 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 1: the dialogue that you know, the actor who played he P. 906 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,800 Speaker 1: Newton would say, and it's just like it's like a 907 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: ripped right out of these these pillars that we're reading 908 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: right now, like straight up, we believe that all black 909 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: people should be released from jails and prisons because they 910 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: have not received a fair and impartial trial. And in 911 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean nineteen sixty six, I understand why he's saying that. 912 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm tally saying that ship now. But but then that 913 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: that transfers into this ninth one, which is we believe 914 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so 915 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: that black people will all receive fair trials. The fourteenth 916 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 1: Amendment of the Constitution gives a man the right to 917 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: be tried by his peers appear is a person from 918 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, geographical, environmental, historical, and 919 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: racial background. To do this, the court will be forced 920 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,919 Speaker 1: to select a jury from the black community from which 921 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: the black defendant came. We have been and are being 922 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: tried by all white juries that have no understanding of 923 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,400 Speaker 1: the average reasoning, reasoning man of the black community. Again, 924 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,320 Speaker 1: no lies, no lies, no lies. I think citing what 925 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: appear it means and like inciting like economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical, 926 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: in racial background. But to sort of flattened all of 927 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,919 Speaker 1: that into like, oh, we should be you know, tried 928 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,399 Speaker 1: by a jury from the black community and was like, well, 929 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,920 Speaker 1: there's black people in various geography, is, various religions, various 930 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 1: economic situations. To problematize that someone, Yes, there's definitely a 931 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: documented issue with all juries to this day, like they're 932 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: diagnosing ills that's continue to plague us um. But it's 933 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: kind of depressing to hear the like this issue just 934 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: never never got better, never got bad. When in the 935 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,280 Speaker 1: course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people 936 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, 937 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: and to assume among the powers of the earth the 938 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: separate and equal station to which the laws of nature 939 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: and nature is God entitle them. A decent respect to 940 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: the opinions of mankind. Requires that they declare the causes 941 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: which and tell them the separation, you know, a especially 942 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: now because there seems to be a little bit of 943 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: a movement on at least the online left select people 944 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: who are suggesting that there's some solidarity to be found 945 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: between leftists working with like the far right and pretty 946 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: much fascist as if there's like, hey, you know what 947 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we have like a mutual there's there's there's 948 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,840 Speaker 1: mutual goals that can be found there and stuff like that. 949 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: People have been name dropping Fred Hampton in that ship 950 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,799 Speaker 1: pretty much like not to beat around the bush. There's 951 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,759 Speaker 1: certain people in the American online left who are suggesting, hey, 952 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, like progressives should work with the Booglee Boys 953 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,919 Speaker 1: or like Proud Boys and fine solidarity because we both 954 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: hate corporations, right, And it's like it's it's not really 955 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: that simple. But then they're like, well, I mean keep 956 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: saying we need sorry, but then but then they'll bring up, hey, 957 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: but Fred Hampton, uh was like a class reductionist and 958 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: he knew it was all about class and that he 959 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: found solidarity by working with racists and stuff too, And 960 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: it's like no, no, he didn't, like what what do 961 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: you what are you talking about? Like not, that's not there. 962 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: There is no context in which that was like a thing, 963 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And we're going to get 964 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: into that too, because we actually are going to like 965 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: cover what that actual outreach was. But there's a there's 966 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: a speech that he made once where he was pretty 967 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,880 Speaker 1: much talking about like how the whole plan of the 968 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: establishment is to get poor white people and poor Black 969 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: people and poor brown people and to get us all 970 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 1: in fighting amongst each other so that we don't unite 971 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: in coalesced to go against the bigger issue. That's a 972 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,879 Speaker 1: completely different thing from saying that Fred Hampton was advocating, Hey, 973 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: we should reach out to the clan, because you know, 974 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,360 Speaker 1: like that's not what was going on at all. But 975 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: I think that that last tenant, it's kind of like 976 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: what he was getting at is kind of that solidarity 977 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: and uh, just poor people as opposed to on a 978 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:13,800 Speaker 1: on racial lines. So in nineteen Hampton would join the 979 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: Black Panthers Party. He he would join their h Not 980 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: Sent Illinois chapter the following year, and he would embark 981 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: on what would be one of the greatest runs of 982 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 1: activist and activists has had, emphasizing that racial conflict only 983 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: leads to poverty. He successfully brokered a non aggression pack 984 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: among Chicago's most powerful street gangs. He taught political education 985 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: classes every morning at six in the morning. Project UM 986 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 1: and started a Project Community Supervision of the Police program 987 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: where they would monitor police and like follow the cops 988 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: while they were on duty to make sure that they 989 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: weren't harassing people and beating people up and ship he 990 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 1: also went. He was also key in the Black Panthers 991 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 1: Free Breakfast program, inspired by contemporary research about central roles 992 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080 Speaker 1: of breakfast and optimal schooling, and the Panthers would cook 993 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: and serve food for poor people in inner city youth 994 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 1: in the area did they did this like all across 995 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: the nation. Perhaps one of the biggest achievements for Hampton 996 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: and the Panthers at the time was forging a class conscious, 997 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: multi racial alliance between the Panthers, the Young Patriots, which 998 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 1: was a leftist organization made made up mostly of white Southerners, 999 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: and the Young Lords, a street king turned civil rights 1000 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: UM civil human rights organization that fought on behalf of 1001 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 1: Latinos here at Puerto Ricans and commonized people. This you 1002 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: didn't lead to the formation of the Rainbow Coalition, not 1003 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,440 Speaker 1: to be confused with Jesse Jackson's culture the same nay 1004 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: okay Um not only girl and it grew more and 1005 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,479 Speaker 1: more its various radical socialist community groups joined their ranks. 1006 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: This is roughly the end. In nineteen sixty eight early nine, 1007 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 1: they like joined Action against poverty, corruption, police brutality, and 1008 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 1: substandard house and the various groups supporting each other a protests, strikes, 1009 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: and democratic and demonstrations where they had common cause. But 1010 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 1: this is not to be confused with the Rainbow Coalition. 1011 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: Alice was co opted over the years by referend Jesse Jackson, 1012 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: not as the point of insult, this as a fact 1013 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,960 Speaker 1: he you know, eventually appropriated the name and for me 1014 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: its own more moderate coalition. So what you think about that? 1015 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 1: It's fucking dope. What you love to see brout here? 1016 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: Kill them out here, getting the white people and the 1017 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: Latinos and the motherfucking just like everybody together. That's what 1018 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: people are saying. People are like, yeah, people are like, oh, 1019 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 1: he he worked with that leftist white Southern group that 1020 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: might have I think they might have adorned the rebel 1021 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: flag maybe, but it's like, that's that's not the boogaloo. Boys. Man, 1022 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: you will you will humor me for just a second. 1023 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: This reminds me of this clip from Vince Staples. Let 1024 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 1: me talking about him a lot this episode at Coach 1025 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: tell him talking about his coalition. He wants to build 1026 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: for somebody. He knows it's funny, Digger, but I'll be 1027 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: there seres. But you know now, I'm gonna do something 1028 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: for like the kids I might. I'm trying to get 1029 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the world to goose their own missions. I'm gonna get 1030 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: all the missions out of North Long Beach, and I'm 1031 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: gonna get all of the fossil fuels out of normal 1032 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: holds on. How are you getting all the missions out 1033 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: a Long Beach? I would love to help with this mission. 1034 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do. We got a lot of 1035 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: horror fineries, right, the master gist be tripping the masscause 1036 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the agents got a race ward has been going on 1037 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: to the nineteen twenties. I'm gonna stop the race war 1038 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 1: right and be like we really gotta be for the 1039 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: world companies growing withth part grenading and suicide bomb and 1040 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 1: the or refineries boom boom. When we got a big 1041 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: gay population in Long Beach, right, but we only got 1042 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: one whole foods. One thing I learned from my gay 1043 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: parts is that whole foods and like like orse, the 1044 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: coffee breweries, and seemed like that they like that kind 1045 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,040 Speaker 1: of ship. They like they like that kind of ship. 1046 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,439 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna call my boy Lloyd. Shout out Lloyd, 1047 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Lloyd gonna help me get the gay community all the way. Right, 1048 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: we got a gay Latino mayor, right, boom, we get 1049 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: killed two buds once. I'm get a system here. We 1050 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: got the gay Latino mayor and then the black um 1051 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 1: um and we're gonna get everybody together. We're gonna throw 1052 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: the Asians in there somehow are. We're gonna get the 1053 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: oil frimaries out of there. We're gonna build the Tescla 1054 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 1: factory on the east side. What does Elon must know 1055 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: about this? You see them rap get out of here. Okay, 1056 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about like, Yeah, we're gonna get the Latinos. 1057 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: You don't get the Asians, you don't trot the gays 1058 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 1: in there. We're gonna get the oil refineries. That a 1059 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: lot of the right attitude. This is like Modernday. But 1060 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's kidding. I mean, hey, I 1061 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: hope I hope that he's that kid. I don't know 1062 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 1: about that Elon musk Tesla ship though, that's that's that's 1063 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,600 Speaker 1: just me. So again back to Fred Hampson with his 1064 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 1: uh with his leadership skills, and if we can keep 1065 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,480 Speaker 1: it real, the FBI at this point had decimated the 1066 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 1: Black Panther Party's ranks with assassinations and imprisonments and sabotage. 1067 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Fred was well on his way to becoming appointed the 1068 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: party's Central Committee Chief eef of staff, had he not 1069 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: been murdered in the Hill of Chicago pe d bullets 1070 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: and what you know, a scene that was chillingly similar 1071 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to the Brianna Taylor murder. But you know, at this point, 1072 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: if we were gonna go on and do like a 1073 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 1: whole the whole you know, life story of Fred Hampton, 1074 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, this would be around the part where we 1075 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: would start talking about cointel pro and j Edgar Hoover 1076 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But again, I feel that this 1077 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: is information that's ample ee out there, and there's a 1078 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: new movie out about it, so you know, you check 1079 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 1: out the second episode about So if you want to 1080 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: put this situate this in the context of the surveillance 1081 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: and sabotage that the FBI was doing to black liberation 1082 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 1: in black radical groups at large across country during this 1083 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,680 Speaker 1: time you can get plugged in there and a little 1084 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: bit more about it that way. So overall thoughts on Freddy, Um, 1085 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, as I said a little bit earlier, like 1086 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: as a politician, like I regularly get calls from people 1087 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: about things that have to do with like private property issues, 1088 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: or like follow activists in the community who are just 1089 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 1: like organizing outside the state. Particularly under covid UH, the 1090 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,560 Speaker 1: idea of mutual aid has gained attraction with people that 1091 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:19,080 Speaker 1: might have previously organized around the policy advocacy, legislation, elections. Um, 1092 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: but now it's just like, yeah, we just gotta feed 1093 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: our people and make sure people are warm, make sure 1094 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,360 Speaker 1: people have somewhere to live because the state won't provide 1095 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: for us. And like I feel that, and it's like 1096 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,600 Speaker 1: an interesting thing for me to think about, like bouncing 1097 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: my role as like I do have electoral power, where 1098 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,320 Speaker 1: like I can allocate budgets and pass laws and ship 1099 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: but like, but like I value organizing outside the state 1100 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,040 Speaker 1: and like self determination of communities, like people coming together 1101 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to like feed their kids and to like you know, 1102 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 1: make sure the homeless and warm and just doing it 1103 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 1: autonomously without getting permission from the government, Like yo, here's 1104 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to do it. Like, Yo, we just 1105 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: did it ourselves. We ain't wait around for y'all to 1106 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: like take a gear to pass the park. We just 1107 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 1: want did it. And so, um, just seeing seeing the 1108 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: like mainstreaming for for for what to me seems like 1109 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,240 Speaker 1: the mainstreaming of the idea of mutual aid under COVID, 1110 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,640 Speaker 1: but like remembering its roots in projects like you know, 1111 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,360 Speaker 1: the free breakfast program of the Black Panthers all the 1112 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,720 Speaker 1: way back then and like reclaiming what is revolutionary about 1113 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: just taking care of our communities. And I think it's 1114 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: like something that really resonates with me in revisiting some 1115 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,920 Speaker 1: of Fred Hampton's work. Um, because we talked about the 1116 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,760 Speaker 1: policy on the show a lot. We talk about laws, 1117 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,480 Speaker 1: we talk about the judicial system, we talk about legislation, 1118 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 1: but like politics is bigger than that. Politics is also 1119 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,680 Speaker 1: just the way we organized power, and like being fed 1120 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,640 Speaker 1: is power, and having a point to sleep at night 1121 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,280 Speaker 1: is power, and like knowing your neighbors and being able 1122 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: to provide for them that is power as well, and 1123 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: that's politics as well. And so to sort of like 1124 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,840 Speaker 1: step back from our usual framing of like public policy, 1125 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,560 Speaker 1: like laws, and like politics is is something people enact 1126 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,760 Speaker 1: in the every day. I think it's something that we 1127 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: can take away from the work of Black Panthers and 1128 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Fred Hampton Um and like not waiting around for people 1129 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: to give us what we want, just taking it or 1130 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 1: making it for ourselves in our own communities. Stated perfectly. So, 1131 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 1: we are going to get into a little mini review 1132 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: of the soundtrack to Judas and the Black Messiah after 1133 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:47,480 Speaker 1: the jump, all right, So for the music discussion, we 1134 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,720 Speaker 1: are going to be talking about the soundtrack to the 1135 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,320 Speaker 1: new motion picture Judas and the Black Messiah. What can 1136 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: we say about this? I feel like, you know, I've 1137 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 1: listened to this three times in the last two days, 1138 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:07,440 Speaker 1: and I feel that this project has to kind of 1139 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 1: be judged with two different ears from me. On one hand, 1140 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: you who can judge it as just a compilation rap album, right, 1141 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,720 Speaker 1: and then on the other hand, you can judge it 1142 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: as a conceptual album about this movie. And the reason 1143 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: that I feel that it's fair to judge them for 1144 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,880 Speaker 1: both is because it's actually labeled on the cover that 1145 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: all of the songs on the soundtrack are inspired by 1146 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: the motion picture. I'm just taking them at their word, 1147 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: taking them literally, you know what I'm saying. So from 1148 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,520 Speaker 1: the context of a rap compilation, this project works really well, 1149 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 1: Like it's a really dope rap album and there's a 1150 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,640 Speaker 1: lot of really good songs on there. But I feel 1151 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,840 Speaker 1: from the concept of inspired by the motion picture, a 1152 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: lot of misses, you know, like just like real talk, 1153 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: it's it. It doesn't have that consistency that immerses me 1154 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: in the subject matter of what they're talking about in 1155 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,480 Speaker 1: the movie. It starts off strong. The opening track you 1156 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,919 Speaker 1: have like really cool soul style beats, soul sample, old 1157 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,120 Speaker 1: school he beats that that definitely fit the vibe in 1158 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the tone of the movie. So like the first two tracks, 1159 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,040 Speaker 1: they're giving you those those like soul, that soul style, 1160 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: and it's definitely it sounds like the images that you 1161 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,000 Speaker 1: see when you see the movie. It's you know what 1162 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Like when you watch the trailer, when you 1163 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: see the film, it it sounds like, hey, this is 1164 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,480 Speaker 1: like inspired by some sixties seventies era stuff. But quickly 1165 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: that kind of falls the wayside. So the opening track, 1166 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,840 Speaker 1: you've got Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. Fred Hampton's son, and 1167 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: he's kind of giving like a rundown of what Fred 1168 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,640 Speaker 1: Hampton was about what the Black Panthers were about, how 1169 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: what we can do moving forward, and it's got a 1170 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,640 Speaker 1: really cool, you know, soul behind it, soul beat and 1171 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,960 Speaker 1: it's awesome. The next track that the transitions to is 1172 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 1: a track by the artist Her and this is called 1173 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 1: a Fight for You and that one's dope too. It 1174 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,840 Speaker 1: fits along the same lines. And then the third song 1175 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,720 Speaker 1: is instantly what takes me out of that mindset, not 1176 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: that it's a bad song. The third song is called 1177 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,320 Speaker 1: E p M D. By Nas. It's a really fucking 1178 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 1: dope song, but that's it. It's a dope Nas song. 1179 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He's like name dropping like 1180 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,559 Speaker 1: Amazon and Nike, and you know what I'm saying, It's 1181 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,400 Speaker 1: just it just takes you out of the period aspect 1182 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 1: that you were in. And the the album kind of 1183 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 1: follows that trend as you go on, you know, I mean, 1184 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,879 Speaker 1: like rappers are talking about, hey man, I'm getting a Grammy. 1185 01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm making stacks yo. Man, we we we we we 1186 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 1: I'm a rich nigga. Like there's a song by Asy 1187 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Rocky called rich Nigga Problems that's just about him, you know, 1188 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like just the Si Rocky song. 1189 01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 1: You know, there's a little Dirk song on there where 1190 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 1: he's you know, talking, but like literally the first thing 1191 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,040 Speaker 1: he says is, I wrote this after the Grammys, and 1192 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 1: it's like, it's just it doesn't make me feel like 1193 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,559 Speaker 1: Judas and the Black mist. I I have a hard 1194 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: time really believing that all of these songs were inspired 1195 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: by the by the movie. Now some of them are, 1196 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,479 Speaker 1: and those are definitely the standout tracks that we're gonna 1197 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 1: take a little bit snippets from some of them. Definitely 1198 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 1: you can hear that. It's like, hey, man, this is 1199 01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: whichever artists they watched the film and then they went 1200 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,479 Speaker 1: in the studio or whatever. But then there's a lot 1201 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 1: of songs on here that that definitely sound like, hey, 1202 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: we we have this extra g Herbo track that's hot, 1203 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,599 Speaker 1: the excuse to use it, Let's put it on the soundtrack. 1204 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: And it's just the regular g Herbo trap drill song, 1205 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And also the sonic sonically, 1206 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 1: I feel that the inconsistency in the beat choices, how 1207 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: at some elements, at some points it's really like period 1208 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,840 Speaker 1: esque and it's really soul sample old jazz samples and 1209 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,800 Speaker 1: then it'll go straight up into something that sounds, you know, 1210 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,080 Speaker 1: like it was made yesterday. You know that that was 1211 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,479 Speaker 1: kind of taking me out of it. I feel like 1212 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 1: saying that, like I mean, ultimately with the soundtrack, like 1213 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: I think back to like the Black Panther soundtrack as 1214 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,880 Speaker 1: like a movie soundtrack. I like the uh that like 1215 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 1: thematically had very little to do with like uh, the 1216 01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,920 Speaker 1: plot or characters or you know, anything with the movie, 1217 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: but aesthetically captured the same vibe. I felt like where 1218 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,320 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, like afro a Futurists to three 1219 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: kind of ship and so I feel you though I was. 1220 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,760 Speaker 1: I was about to ask, like, even if it is 1221 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: a soup racking rapping about how we just left the Grammys, 1222 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:48,400 Speaker 1: like does it feel no? No? Because what because what 1223 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying is like if you took the ASoP rocky 1224 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 1: song Rich Nigga Problems off of this and put it 1225 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,760 Speaker 1: on his album, it would be fine, you know what 1226 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I think I don't. I'm not even 1227 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,920 Speaker 1: saying like that's an issue like yo, that's why the 1228 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,240 Speaker 1: song is bad or oh that makes the album bad, 1229 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,600 Speaker 1: But it's just like it just doesn't feel like inspired 1230 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,639 Speaker 1: by the movie, which is a very you know, specific critique, 1231 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,519 Speaker 1: but the thing does say inspired by the motion picture 1232 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,479 Speaker 1: on on the front of it, you know what I'm saying, 1233 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's because of because the movie is 1234 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: more serious. It's not like there's the famous soundtrack for 1235 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,120 Speaker 1: like Tim Burton's Batman, which is pretty much just like 1236 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 1: a Prince album, you know what I'm saying. It has 1237 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,240 Speaker 1: nothing to do with Batman at all, but it's just 1238 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: like it's Batman. So it's not like a weighty sort 1239 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: of thing like that where you're necessarily going in there like, hey, 1240 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 1: is Prince about to make ten songs where he's singing 1241 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,920 Speaker 1: about Batman? Whereas with this, yeah, I kind of do 1242 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,160 Speaker 1: expect to listen to songs that are about the movie 1243 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,920 Speaker 1: that I saw, and there's twenty two songs on it 1244 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,599 Speaker 1: that's already way too long. It's like a fucking gets 1245 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the hour and some change along. I feel like you 1246 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,200 Speaker 1: just if you go and isolate the ten or find 1247 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: songs on here that are actually inspired by the movie, 1248 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,880 Speaker 1: I think you have a much stronger project. Let's get 1249 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 1: into some of these tracks. Um, if you could get 1250 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,960 Speaker 1: on the YouTube Machine. So the first one that I 1251 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, and this is also going to 1252 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,800 Speaker 1: be a change of pace for me, because I think 1253 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,080 Speaker 1: the songs that best illustrate and keep consistent the vibe 1254 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,519 Speaker 1: that I'm talking about are not rap songs. They're like 1255 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 1: the it's like the R and B jams, you know 1256 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,439 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that really get that vibe. So the 1257 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,240 Speaker 1: first one is fight for You by her Blood fil 1258 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Hair I'm Hellas, mostly because as we listen to it, 1259 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I frantically try to figure out what the sample was, 1260 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and I don't think it is one uman. It sounds 1261 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: almost like it's an interprelation of Curtis Mayfield's but I 1262 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,479 Speaker 1: don't think that's what it is. I think it's just 1263 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,200 Speaker 1: like you know, it's I don't think it's like a 1264 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,679 Speaker 1: direct sample. But again, just using that that that melody 1265 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,040 Speaker 1: that you know, at the very least, it kind of 1266 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: starts off that way, and I think using that metally 1267 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,360 Speaker 1: that melody instantly puts you in the period of the 1268 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 1: movie is you know what I'm saying. So it doesn't 1269 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 1: sound like it's trying to be a retro beat or 1270 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,519 Speaker 1: anything like that, but just musically and sonically, Like, again, 1271 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie, but I feel like I 1272 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,759 Speaker 1: could take that. I could take the trailer, mute the sound, 1273 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,599 Speaker 1: and just play the trailer for Judas in the Black 1274 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,360 Speaker 1: Messiah with that song, and it works perfectly, you know 1275 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean even even like in 1276 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,960 Speaker 1: the pre course we're talking about freedom from my brothers, 1277 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: because I just freedom from the others, credo from the 1278 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,560 Speaker 1: leaders they're keeping us. I'm gonna keep us strong, like 1279 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, talking about these themes of liberation. And then 1280 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,040 Speaker 1: a little bit later on um where is it? Um 1281 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 1: punched myself in the eye? Uh Um, will they knock 1282 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,519 Speaker 1: on your door? Will you be ready for war? Kind 1283 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,880 Speaker 1: of like echoing the knock at the door that they 1284 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 1: got from the FBI. That's a full night, you know, 1285 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 1: and like are you you strapped up to defend yourself? 1286 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: So like thematically, it's even got some echoes from like 1287 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,040 Speaker 1: aspects of the film. So I think of the tracks 1288 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,639 Speaker 1: on the album just might do it the film the most, 1289 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,280 Speaker 1: like Justice Justice. Yeah, because hip hop especially you know 1290 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: when you get into like heavy wrap stuff, it's so 1291 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,920 Speaker 1: direct and it's such a you know, it's such a 1292 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,280 Speaker 1: direct way of expressing an idea, and sometimes, especially when 1293 01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:36,240 Speaker 1: movies are like good, subtlety is is usually the order 1294 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,960 Speaker 1: of the day, you know what I'm saying. So it's 1295 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,800 Speaker 1: like I feel that, you know, you just using any 1296 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 1: old rap song for your movie can sometimes kill some 1297 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: of that subtlety, especially if the rap like it can 1298 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,400 Speaker 1: do that even if the rapper is rapping about the 1299 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,479 Speaker 1: subject matter at hand. So when the rapper is not 1300 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,120 Speaker 1: rapping about the subject matter hand, it really can like, 1301 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of break that fourth wall of like 1302 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,320 Speaker 1: getting yourself lost in the ship. And that's what I 1303 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,240 Speaker 1: like about this song is like obviously she's wrapped. She's 1304 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,320 Speaker 1: singing about you know, freedom for each other, freedom, justice, 1305 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:12,760 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But it's just obscure and vague enough, 1306 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that it doesn't like it's 1307 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,639 Speaker 1: not like hammering it. It's not like she's singing yes. 1308 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,160 Speaker 1: And Fred Hampton was a real good man and I 1309 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,400 Speaker 1: loved him, and he had this guy who was spying 1310 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: on like you know what I mean. It's like it's 1311 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,280 Speaker 1: not just like a retelling of the plot of the 1312 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: movie or something like that, you know what I mean. 1313 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,280 Speaker 1: Some people don't even it. It doesn't get into the 1314 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't get into like the corny nous, you know 1315 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,639 Speaker 1: what I mean, doesn't feel like after school special thing. 1316 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,200 Speaker 1: And that kind of brings us to what I thought 1317 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,160 Speaker 1: was the next standout track, which is Plead the by 1318 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: Smino and Saba. Do you see what I mean though, 1319 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,120 Speaker 1: by the like the way that he's the way that 1320 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,639 Speaker 1: he's rapping, just the style in which he's like approaching 1321 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,479 Speaker 1: the content like it's not it's just it just feels like, 1322 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, it just has like again it's maybe 1323 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm not articulating apathetically complimentary. It's like the same way 1324 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 1: that you see like red and yellow together, like oh, 1325 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 1: let's go together. Those are different colors, but like I 1326 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 1: can see what you're trying to do there. Like I 1327 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: have no idea that if the song was made for 1328 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,719 Speaker 1: the movie, you know, like all that stuff that's saying 1329 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,600 Speaker 1: about how I feel some of them were and some 1330 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: of them weren't. I can't say definitively that this one was, 1331 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,080 Speaker 1: but it could be because it's got that that right 1332 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,200 Speaker 1: amount of subtlety to its approach that you could apply 1333 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,800 Speaker 1: it to whatever. You know what I'm saying. Um and 1334 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,920 Speaker 1: the third and last one that we are going to 1335 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 1: check out. It was a rough one, you know. I 1336 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,320 Speaker 1: do want to give a notable mention to Welcome to 1337 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,160 Speaker 1: America by Black Thought, C. S. Armstrong and Angel Hunt. 1338 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,320 Speaker 1: And what else was there? There was I Declare War 1339 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,320 Speaker 1: by Nardo Wick. That was that was cool. It was 1340 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 1: a bit trappy and from the sound kind of took 1341 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,040 Speaker 1: me out of it. But but I subject matter though 1342 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,559 Speaker 1: it was cool. And then also Revolutionary by g Herbo 1343 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,960 Speaker 1: and Bumpy j. Those are good tracks too. I feel 1344 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,759 Speaker 1: like those three that I just said, in the first 1345 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,920 Speaker 1: three that we've listened to, or the first two that 1346 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,479 Speaker 1: we've listened to, I feel you put those together, You've 1347 01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,800 Speaker 1: got like nine songs that are really like reflective of 1348 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: this movie. But the last one that we're gonna get 1349 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,040 Speaker 1: into something ain't right. Jeddine Rhapsody, did the Sea like 1350 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: a lips blood dye episodes of Black Men. I think 1351 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I think this is like a This is a great 1352 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,799 Speaker 1: example of Tod on the line of like impressionistically capturing 1353 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: some of the themes of the film. They talk about, 1354 01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: you know, looking for fellowship. Um, we call the coons 1355 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,960 Speaker 1: and the government come correct the correction break the racial 1356 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: construction that you than up in the spirit of liberation, 1357 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: like without being too heavy handed like hered Hampton was Born, 1358 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:14,200 Speaker 1: which I possibly do in this episode. It's just like lightly, 1359 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, just like sprinkling in a little bit of 1360 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,720 Speaker 1: historic historicity of just like, yeah, this is like the 1361 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,320 Speaker 1: real ship and this is what is really about. And again, 1362 01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,679 Speaker 1: just to to keep the nerd vibes going, I'm stressing 1363 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,880 Speaker 1: that it's just like in the context of the movie, 1364 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 1: this works better for a movie, you know what I'm saying. 1365 01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,400 Speaker 1: It's I just like like these songs just um. To 1366 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: to make a last point to illustrate what I mean 1367 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,120 Speaker 1: is um, I remember when I went and saw Djengo 1368 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,000 Speaker 1: the first time. Um, a movie that not necessarily my 1369 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: favorite Tarantino movie, but anyway, I remember when I went 1370 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: and saw Djengo the first time, and I normally love 1371 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,480 Speaker 1: how Quentin Tarantino uses music and utilize especially like contemporary 1372 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,840 Speaker 1: music within his movies and stuff like that, and it's 1373 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,439 Speaker 1: like it's very you know, he makes very good choices 1374 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,800 Speaker 1: with his music. But I remember how everybody thought the 1375 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:10,080 Speaker 1: scene where the Rick Ross song played in Djengo, and 1376 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 1: everyone was kind of like, oh, man, that's really cool, 1377 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,000 Speaker 1: And for me, it probably was, like the point where 1378 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,639 Speaker 1: I stopped enjoying the movie is when that song came 1379 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,960 Speaker 1: in because it's like, it's a Rick Ross song, you 1380 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just like a regular ass 1381 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 1: like Rick Ross song. And that's not that's like nothing 1382 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,120 Speaker 1: against Rick Ross. But it's like like if I was 1383 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,800 Speaker 1: watching it and then beat It started playing, you know 1384 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,439 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I would not be able to watch 1385 01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:37,080 Speaker 1: the movie without thinking us beat It in the middle 1386 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 1: of them in the middle of the movie. For like, 1387 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, like how does that work? But again, 1388 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you can get into that that line 1389 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,400 Speaker 1: with hip hop a lot. So I just appreciate, you know, 1390 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,240 Speaker 1: the fact that this album has so many songs on it. 1391 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I feel that I heard enough songs that were like 1392 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,640 Speaker 1: that that that it has been scratched and satisfied, you 1393 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But if this had just been 1394 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: a ten song album, some of these some of the songs, 1395 01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: for real, like some of them are kind of unnecessary 1396 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,680 Speaker 1: for real, it makes it makes this project sound like 1397 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: a really really good DJ Clue mixtape in less like 1398 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,840 Speaker 1: a serious conceptual soundtrack inspired by a serious movie. Well 1399 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 1: it makes sense speaking of things that have gone on 1400 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,800 Speaker 1: for far too long. This episode is going to be 1401 01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,320 Speaker 1: a monster. It's two o'clock in the morning and I 1402 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,400 Speaker 1: am going to go counter right. Well, just mustard up, 1403 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,360 Speaker 1: muster up, just the reserve bit of strength, because I 1404 01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,439 Speaker 1: want to hear some bars for you. We didn't get 1405 01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,880 Speaker 1: any last week before before she passes out, Joel, drop 1406 01:20:46,040 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: a beat. We're the sole infinitely older than this. Twenty 1407 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,280 Speaker 1: one years Chairman Hampton wasn't running for fear, not with 1408 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,720 Speaker 1: a gun in this here defend the neighbors from the 1409 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: government's gears when they're winding up on your block, and 1410 01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,720 Speaker 1: started blooding your peers. With care for his community and 1411 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,799 Speaker 1: having dutifully studied the leader's revolution as his motherless fears, 1412 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 1: he let him movements so huge that they had to 1413 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,679 Speaker 1: go shoot him. But not before we spoke the truth 1414 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,160 Speaker 1: of numberless years and say that it's a Bible of 1415 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: the fittest. So they pit us like kids in a 1416 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,920 Speaker 1: different and pigment of the skin, but hand the piggin. 1417 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,960 Speaker 1: But simberland a Mexicans and left the sand the niggers. 1418 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,000 Speaker 1: We get all together to endeavor for bigger vision. We 1419 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,439 Speaker 1: could free all of us siblings from the prison, gets 1420 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,400 Speaker 1: some house that fits to live, and get some breakat 1421 01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,360 Speaker 1: Flippits and get to educate us children. Get the pencil 1422 01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,360 Speaker 1: paper stealing all the labor from the millions women's labor. 1423 01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,400 Speaker 1: Him before us to killed, before we got the chance 1424 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:56,719 Speaker 1: to build it. Now it's up to us to fulfill it. Hey, 1425 01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,519 Speaker 1: my name's Doe Night, I'm lingal Franca and we are 1426 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:06,760 Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations. See you next week. Waiting on Reparations 1427 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,320 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. Listen to Waiting 1428 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,800 Speaker 1: on Reparations on the i Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 1429 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.