WEBVTT - Ep. 25: Bear Grease [Render] - Cave Man Films, Mark Kenyon, and Warner Glenn 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.360 HF Gear, American made, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:43.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Guys, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.280 We've got an exclusive bear Grease discount code for f 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.599 h F Gear that's fish Hunt Fight Gear. I've been 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.480 using their products for the last year and I love 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.200 carrying my gear in a chest rig or my binos 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.760 and their bino harness. 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This is this is really an experiment, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.520 and I don't really want to put like a lot 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.280 of pressure on you guys, but you know, there was 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.600 there are groups of people over time that have done 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:17.120 things that were monumental, and when you're swinging for the fence, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.840 like you're either gonna strike out or you might hit 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.000 it over the fence. And so this is this is 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.079 the first time in the Bear Grease Surrender history that 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:33.040 we have had an entirely new crew of bear Grease guests. Essentially, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.320 you guys are like the astronauts that went to the 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.640 moon first, and people are like, man, I don't know 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.919 if they ever come back or not. This is wild. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:50.400 So congratulations won't air. Okay, If this goes really bad, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.600 I'll just call in the regulars, you know, for a 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:58.280 quick bear grea surrender. No, welcome to the Bear Grease Surrender. Welcome. No, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.240 I'm thrilled, apps solutely thrilled to have a new cast 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.240 of characters which I which I will introduce. So we 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.679 make a big deal out of out of introductions on 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.320 the burgers frender. Okay, we are we're in the field, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.880 so we're not in the typical burgery studio at my office. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.560 We are in the field. Loose definition of in the field, 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.720 let's say in the field, meaning we're not where we 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.720 usually are. But I have many many guests with me today, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:32.200 Mark Kenyon of Wired to Hunt. Yeah, Mark, Mark and 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.800 I have been hunting together this week. With Mark is 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.840 his crew, of his production crew. So I'm gonna start 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.400 to my right and we have Matt gang Yon. How 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.600 close was that matter? You know what? That's a perfect 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.119 mix of the both of the correct So we say 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.560 Gagnon or it could be it could be Gagon if 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.960 you're from the old country Gang, but we'll go with Gagnon. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.000 That's like the Okay, so tell me what you do 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.200 for meat. Either I am officially an associate producer and 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.240 in the field, I am the go get me this guy, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.320 the glue guy. Yeah. Did you guys know that the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.480 first video that Matt ever produced for me, he was 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.720 the were you the director? On that there was multi officially, yeah, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.800 it was. It was a team effort. But yeah, I 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.200 put in a lot of the first time I worked 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.120 with Matt with the media, we did this bare pistol 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.320 defense video and it has two point seven million views 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.080 on YouTube right now, smashing success by Matt. Yeah, so 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.039 I set the bar high initially. So I feel like 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.839 I I peaked in my first effort. To your right, Andreas, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.920 good job did your persian now? Yeah, so Andrea said, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.039 tell us what you do for me here? I produced 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.000 for me either. So you're a producer producer? What does 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.200 that mean? I didn't. I wouldn't have known what that 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.920 meant before. So my wife likes to think that it's 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.279 like wedding planning, Okay, for a TV show. You get 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.240 all the pieces to the puzzle together and you have 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.880 an event. Okay, I'm happy. It's a good way to 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.039 put it. Shout out to Jane. Yeah, she must, she 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.400 must be an angel. I think she's she's the real 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.120 trooper of the crew completely. So you've been on the 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.360 shoot with us this week, and we'll talk about our 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.919 hunting what we did. You've you've done this kind of 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.160 stuff and other for other companies though other capacities. Yes, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.480 this is my first event with or gig with docuseries 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.520 of this sort. Docuseries is that what we're calling these? 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.480 I imagine it is. It's a it's a series of documenting. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.000 Mark Kennyan slaying it to your right, Tyler, Emmett Tyler, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.760 welcome man, Hello, thanks for having me. Where are you from? 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.240 Originally from Carpenteria, California, but I live in Bend, Oregon. Now, oh, 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.400 that reminds me. Andrea's is from l AT, I'm from 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.840 I'm from We'll come back to you, Tyler. We're gonna 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.080 spend a lot of time with you. Um. I would 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.720 like to point out that Andreas is from l A. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.360 People might have already insinuated that just by hearing him, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.080 though they might have already caught on. Did y'all notice 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.560 that James Lawrence gave him some grief from being from 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.119 CALIFORNI I loved it this so quickly he was able 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.680 to already he picked up the andres is and should 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.760 be the target of jebs. I feel like I'm James Lorton. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.080 It's his favorite. Now. He gave me a big old hug. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.599 He didn't hug you, Clay, not the way he hugged me. Jealous. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.479 I've known this man for a week. You've known this 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.240 man your entire life, and he gave me a better 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.080 hug than he gave you. Child. You have a very 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.240 very good skill at connecting with people quickly. I will 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.480 say that you and Juju were like this, like quickly, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:36.279 James Lawrence, I like to know everyone, man. Maybe that's 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.800 something about guys from California. Tyler Okay, back to Tyler, Man. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.560 You do a lot of work for so you're a 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.280 videographer and do a lot of work for Meat Eater 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.479 and all a bunch of different capacities. Love kind of 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.200 all the shows across the gamut from cal in the 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.920 field to meet your hunts to now this first time 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.880 with Mark and sometimes on the main show with Steve 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.479 and I don't know, they just wherever they tell me 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.840 to go, I go. What Meat Eater shows have you 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.960 on with Steve Well? I first worked on Stars in 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.400 the Sky, which was not the show, but that was 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.920 back in I don't know when we filmed that, went 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.360 to the Fish Shack, and then did the Wyoming Mule 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.320 Deer episode. I think it was in season nine where 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.400 we went with on horseback up to Wyoming and and 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.400 then did the Texas episode with Jesse Griffiths and JT. Fans. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.600 This year in February we did the Square which was Yeah, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.640 during that snow did you know that? So the guy 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.040 that y'all hunted with and Wyoming the guide and his 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.240 son what was his name? Stewart and Landon Peterson. Stewart 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.320 was the dad, Landon was the sun. So Stewart Peterson Mark, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.760 did you know that Stewart Peterson that was on that 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.960 season on Back Country Wyoming hunt is the boy from 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.720 Where the Red Fern Grows? Somebody just told me that 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.720 this one, but maybe it was him was Utah, Yeah 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.400 you told me that. Yeah. So it's a great, great, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.320 great movie and book. Do you ever watch him movie 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.640 like that or read a book like Where the Red 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.200 Front Grows and just be like, why didn't I think 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.760 of that? Because it's such a classic American story that 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.920 is just so simple and so rich, and people who 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.160 aren't coon hunters, people who aren't even necessarily rural people 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.280 can like watch Where the Red Fern Grows and identify 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.480 with it. I thought it was fascinating that this old 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.160 outfitter was Billy Coleman in the movie. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.000 That movie was shot over here in their Tallquah, Oklahoma, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.480 which is like a couple hours from here. Yeah, they 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.120 were great, great guys. Yeah, they really seemed like yeah, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.520 genuine article. I think he did the child actor thing 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.280 for a while and then realized it wasn't for him 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.320 and just you know, started living a different life. You 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.959 can tell when Billy Coleman and Where the Red Fernt 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.520 Grows runs like down a gravel road and with bare feet, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.440 You're like, this dude's a real outdoors kid. But he 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:55.080 was from wy Woman. He played a pretty good Southerner. Yes, yeah, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.520 he was from Miami, but yeah he does. I think 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.440 he's a general contractor and a outfit or no, and 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.960 his son is a cattle rancher. Yeah they seem like 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.280 the real deal. Yeah, they're definitely the real deal. Really 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.160 nice guys. Yeah, so you do a lot of videography 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.240 of all kinds for meat either, that's cool man, to 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:16.480 your right, Mark Kenyone, you're making me French. Just we're 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:22.840 going around and like danyone Tae e met and mental Meto. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.440 Mark Kenyone, Mark, Welcome to Burgaries. Man is a big deal. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.520 Glad to be here so everybody. Most people will know 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.360 who Mark Kenny is. Mark Kenyon has wired to Hunt, 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.520 which is inside of the meat eater, the meat eater world. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.280 It's a it's sometimes I think it's hard for people 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.040 to understand kind of meat either. They might know wired 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.480 to Hunt and not realize unless they're paying attention that 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.839 that that is a meat eater brand. But it's your 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.520 brand and who you are. I think of meat eaters 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.360 is the umbrella, and then there's all these sub brands 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.880 and personalities and folks underneath it and wired hunts of thing. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.000 I started on my own men of years ago, and 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.240 and then uh, when meat eater became a new thing, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.720 me and Steve merged it all together. And he were 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.920 one of the first guys that came into meat Eater, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.280 were you not? You have one of the very very first, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.000 like number three or something like that. Okay, so he 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.920 sought you out, he did. He called me one day, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.319 do you know Steve before that I did. We weren't 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.480 like close buddies or anything. We drank a beer once 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.040 and talked about books, and we've exchanged a few emails. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.080 And then one day I was sitting in Grand Teatime 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.160 National Park with my wife, camped out living in our camper, 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.199 and I got a phone call from Steve Ronellen, Like 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.000 what in the world he called me about the rest 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.120 of history. So that was what year two thousand seventeen 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.640 seems like a long time ago. It did. So we're 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.679 gonna come back to Mark because we were gonna talk 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.000 about our hunt. Ultimately, by the end of this, we're 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.679 gonna talk about the Warner Glenn podcast number two. To 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.920 Mark's right my left Joe, also known as Big Joe. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.480 Big Joe is not He's not big like volume wise, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:03.160 they're like mass wise, but is very tall. Joe vanneck Out. Yeah, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:09.800 this is your so your videographer cinematographer? Can you can 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.160 you describe the difference for me? For real? I mean, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.000 I mean to most people in the world that there's 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.280 no difference, But within production, I would say cinematographers have 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.080 like a little bit, you know, a little bit. Uh 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.000 is this a self proclaimed title? I mean you get 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.800 credit credited as a cinematographer. Well, what would the guy 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.960 do that was a videographer? I mean, I don't know. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.640 I don't want to throw it. Come this was like 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.319 an ego thing. Here is what I'm catching. I mean, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.760 I don't know. Yeah, it's it's more artistic. Maybe a 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.240 certain level of bigger paycheck, certain level of production maybe 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.200 reflects the cinematographer. I don't know, Okay, certain cameras maybe 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.480 I don't know. Okay, we have an l a producer 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.839 here that could chine in on what what what's what's 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.600 the difference. So since digital cameras become a thing and 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.640 brands have brought in folks to shoot, this role has 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.640 become a videographer where their shooting video of content and 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.960 they're also editing or directing. There like a jack of 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.959 all trades or Jane of all trades, where cinematographers just 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.520 specializes in making cinema images, so they operate on a 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.640 different scale. Typically, to the general public, the term videographer 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.080 is more familiar than a cinetographer or director of photography 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.520 or camera operator. It's a cinematographer on our time card. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.560 So there you go. How does filmmaker fit into this? 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.920 Just skipping, just jumping above all of it. And you 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.840 know I'm a filmmaker. Well this this, this is like 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.679 not my film, Like I'm producing images and making things 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.560 look good. But if I was, like, for instance, I'm 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.720 making my own film, like as an independent cinematographer, like 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.760 my own documentary film. So that's I guess qualifies me 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.559 as a filmmaker. But for this show, just a cinematographer, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.120 do you guys as as videographers as excuse me, as 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.160 cinematographers and as uh. It's kind of like the difference 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.120 than being a someone saying, oh, you're a raccoon hunter 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.120 and you go, no, I'm a coon hunter. I don't know, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.120 and it'd be like, what's what's the difference a joke? Okay, okay, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.040 as cinematographers as producers, like four of you are and 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.640 that do you do? You watch a lot of films, Yeah, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.679 for sure, like for style examples and inspiration and lighting 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.679 and colors. So when you're watching a movie, you're thinking 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.280 about all those things. Oh yeah, I mean people some 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.160 people can't stand watching films with me. There's things just 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.440 because I'm like interpreting it a little bit different maybe, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.960 or something You're paying attention to certain things. But sometimes 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.120 they appreciate it. They're like, oh, I didn't think about 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.800 that way. My wife has become better at doing that 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.360 than I am. So she'll be just predict shows right 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.760 off the bat. It's fun. She's we've switched switch sides. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.840 What do you think about do you think there is 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.800 more advantage in uh, which watching other people's work. I 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.600 think there's an argument argument to be made for somebody 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.080 that maybe never watched anybody else's work and just went 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.000 off like raw just their interpretation as opposed to be 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.320 an influence, because I think we're heavily influenced in anything. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.160 Like if you turned me loose in the mountains of 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.080 Arkansas to go kill a deer with a bow, and 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.240 I had never had any instruction, but I understood the 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.360 patterns of deer, and like, I think I would probably 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.720 do it way different than the way I do it now. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.160 It's just been ingrained and me. I mean, part of 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.920 the whole stick of what we're doing this week is 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:37.080 that we're hunting a particular way because it's the way 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.560 that it's a traditional way to hunt. It's not necessarily 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.240 the most efficient way. Do you see what I'm saying? So, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.920 and I realized we gained so much by watching how 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.680 other people do things, But sometimes I wonder if that 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.720 inhibits us more than it helps us sometimes, what are 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.000 your thoughts on films? And then Mark will go back 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.920 to deer hunting. You know, I think, like you know, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.120 get he was saying, getting inspiration from other stuff. I think, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.760 you know, mimicry is the best form of flattery kind 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.240 of thing, or if you're you're kind of learning from 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.880 people that you admire and applying that to your yourself 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.400 and your own cinematic process and as Jesus sounds, but yeah, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.160 I don't know. I feel like it's it's hard and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.240 a vacuum that doesn't exist, right, You're always going to 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.040 be influenced by everything you watch and assume. So, but 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.320 you know, there's off a lot of stuff, different rules 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.160 of shooting that you need to know because you know, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.880 you can't cross the line and shoot. You know, it's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.280 hard for the editor, so you kind of have to 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.400 have a basic understanding of of coverage of a scene too. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.520 So I think if you just kind of came out 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.240 of the box about any of that, it could be 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.600 a little bit challenging for an editor or whatever. So 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.920 especially because the language of film has evolved over a century, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.240 and so we are accustomed to a certain language and 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.720 once you become a master of that craft. You can 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:54.960 change the rules that language. But you know something that 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.320 your parents brought up last night when we were talking. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.360 It was the same idea of how much do you 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.120 watch or how much you pay attention. Our art, or 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.680 art in general, is all about sensory understanding. So if 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.280 you had no hearing, no site, you know, no touch, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.360 could you could you make anything? You know? Like, what 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.080 would you do? You wouldn't know that that existed. So 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.920 even if we just look at a tree, we can 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.880 be inspired by that and somehow capture that in our paintings. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.680 Are are are there's inspiration no matter what. You don't have 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.480 a choice, you just you are only able to build 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.560 on experiences you've had in a sensory world. Yeah, I 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.160 realized it's probably kind of a romantic, unrealistic idea to 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.040 think you would be not influenced by other people. But 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:42.280 what if we took a paleolithic Native American who would 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.040 have the full capacity for learning as us, and you 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.920 could take him out of that world and put him 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.560 into our world, train him on a video camera the 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.920 most creative of all the bunch. You could do some 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.440 tests and figure out which one was most creative. He 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.920 would know the video, he would know the equipment, and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:00.920 he could make a video. What would it look like? 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.920 How would it be different than ours? We're getting deep 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.679 in the weeds boys, This is great. I could have 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.040 thought on that, just in terms of we've chosen to 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.679 work within a really set like set confines. We have 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.240 a episode length like where we have a time limit. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.200 So you know, if you take someone in that situation, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.040 they may think that the full sunrise is the most 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.080 incredible thing in film it and it's a you know, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.280 a three hour segment that doesn't translate to you know, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.199 what we're trying to do. You're we're We've chosen to 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.399 work within this really like strict set of rules, so 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.000 there's I think that limits capacity a little bit. You know, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.919 you gotta get everything done in twenty two minutes. It 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.720 has to be a cohesive story. There has to be 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.879 a start in an end, in an arc, and whatever 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.520 it was they produced, I just don't think it would 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.560 do well on YouTube. I I actually think that the 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.280 Caveman would have a really good chance because we all, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.280 we've all evolved with similar understanding of beauty, even across 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.920 different cultures. Right like the indigenous Americans versus the European Americans, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.680 like they understood art in a very similar format we've 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.720 I think they'd have a good chance of making something 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.000 really sick. I think I think it would be surprised 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.800 at how similar are intrigue would be. I think they 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.760 would make a like an hour long documentary about fire, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.000 That's what I think they would do, and Buffalo Fire, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.800 Buffalo and the sun rest that I want fantastic. Throw 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.600 some Kevin Costner in there and a felt cowboy hat perfectly. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.920 Are you saying what we do is so easy a 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:27.960 Cayman could do it, like I? So, Hey, so Mark, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.160 why don't you tell everybody kind of what we've been 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.840 doing this week? Yeah? Well, the gist of this show 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.920 that we're producing is that I travel across the country 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.800 to meet up with interesting characters, interesting deer hunters that 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.480 represent a unique style, tradition, or culture within the white 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.320 tail hunting world. And I'm tasked with meeting with this 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.240 person and mentoring under them, studying them for a day 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.000 or so to get the gist of their area, their place, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.960 and how they do what they do. And then I 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.040 need to go out and try to pull it off. Myself. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.480 So I gotta try to replicate I gotta try to 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.640 guinea pig their style in their terrain and there stomping grounds. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.320 So this time we came to visit you and James 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.320 Lawrence to learn about Arkansas deer hunting, hunting in the mountains, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.240 hunting in big timber, big forests, public land, and doing 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.639 it the traditional way, packing in with a mule, staying 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.480 out there a while, camping in the back country. And 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.480 uh so that's what we did. We came out here, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.880 I met with you guys and tried to hunt. Yeah, 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.920 everybody that it has followed along with the Burgar's podcast 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.760 would have would know James Lawrence. He was on the 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.800 second or third episode, so we did a a full 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:51.040 episode with him the shed Hornbuck. Yeah yeah, what what 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.159 what were your impressions of James. James was even better 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.159 than I expected, you know, I think that, you know, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.600 having listened to him on the on the podcast and 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.040 heard of stories from you about him, I knew he 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.199 would be a great deer hunter. I knew he'd be 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:09.399 a character. But what I didn't expect fully was just 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.920 how warm and welcoming he was. You know, how quick 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.480 he was to open his arms to you and be 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.639 excited for you and share with with us everything he could. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.200 And the genuine excitement he had to be a part 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.400 of this with us was just it was really nice. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.199 And uh, I'll tell you, obviously a heck of a 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.719 deer hunter to kill the deer he has in the 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.960 places he's done it. I mean, I could tell I 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:37.600 was impressive when I went and saw the antlers on 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.520 his wall at the beginning of the trip, but it's 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.359 even more impressive now at the end of the trip. 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.199 We so the first day we went to James house, 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.280 we spent hour two with him talking with him, and 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.320 then we went out into the Mountains National Forest here 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.320 in Arkansas, and there was a whole gaggle of us. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.879 There's six of us here, so we all we packed 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.440 in on the mule. And so the way that the 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.679 way that James, you know, he did all kind of hunting, 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.280 but his favorite way to hunt was the packing with 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.560 a mule or a horse. He's a horse packing with 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.399 a horse and carry enough stuff that he could hunt 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.000 for an extended period of time and stay way back 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.240 in the woods. And it basically it's kind of like 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.320 a modern version of a long hunt, you know, and 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.520 so that's what we did. And you know, there's different 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.760 layers of national forests. You know, there's, uh, there's some 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.520 national forest that is abudding private land that has a 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:37.960 lot of clear cuts and a lot of you know, 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:42.560 man made alterations to the landscape, which typically means more deer. 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.159 Then there's what I would call like interior mountain hunting, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.719 which would be these mountain ranges in areas that just 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.840 kind of have it's all gonna have some timber, timber 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:58.200 improvement in different things, but kind of this interior areas 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.960 that probably have less deer to steason anywhere else. And 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.359 that's where we tried to go. We camped, you guys camped. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.520 I actually left because I wasn't really apart. I was 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.600