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Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Jacob Goldstein and this is a special bonus

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Speaker 1: episode of What's Your Problem. My guest today is joel Stein.

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Speaker 1: Is that my time to go? Hi? Joel Stein. Yeah, so, Joel,

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Speaker 1: you're hosting a new show at Pushkin. It's called Story

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Speaker 1: of the Week. Normally we'd explain right now what Story

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Speaker 1: twiddles and knob because a journalist trand has got in

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Speaker 1: that Joel job. I'm Jory single story. Just listen to

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Speaker 1: smart people speak conversation. Filming information is so okay. I

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Speaker 1: got it from the theme song. You're joel Stein. That's

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Speaker 1: the only important part. I'm joel Stein. Every week you

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Speaker 1: call somebody who wrote a story and you interview them

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Speaker 1: about the story that they wrote. Yeah, we find the long,

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Speaker 1: put my name on the podcast. So I think we

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Speaker 1: call that arbitrage in this business, journalism business. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it is. So we're gonna play part of an

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Speaker 1: the one where you interview a writer named Douglas Rushkoff.

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Speaker 1: And so just give me a little setup. Who is

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Speaker 1: And what do they talk about? They don't want his speech,

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Speaker 1: from this speech that was not a speech. He writes

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Speaker 1: I'm my expert. My expertise is cannibalism. That won't get

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