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Speaker 3: So I I found an article on Dazed dot com, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but all these people too, are super talented. They

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Speaker 1: Well, I could see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and writing about this.

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Speaker 1: Would you date a rodent Man or a Golden retriever first?

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Speaker 1: Or okay, maybe golden retrievers? Like would you if you

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Speaker 3: Although I do love Henry Cavell, like I'll.

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Speaker 3: I don't really remember the night. It was really we

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Speaker 1: What.

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Speaker 2: I'll send you the picture. I'll post it for that.

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Speaker 3: I don't I haven't seen a lot of stuff that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would love him, Yeah anyway, I mean, all

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Speaker 2: I'm putting out mouse traps tonight.

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Speaker 1: Okay that.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the club with a sticky trap.

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Speaker 1: With a sticky trap. I'm putting out mouse traps tonight.

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Speaker 1: Can you put that on your dating profile?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My god?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got my mousetraps out? Yeah? Yeah. What do you

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Speaker 1: guys think about this? Email us at the Edge at

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Speaker 1: velvet edge dot com. Do you like a hot road

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Speaker 1: it man? Are you in ones? Are you dating one? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And if you have a celebrity crush, let us know

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Speaker 1: which one. You can also leave us a voicemail. The

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Speaker 1: link to that is in the bio of my Instagram,

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Speaker 1: which is at Velvet's Edge. It's also in the bio

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Speaker 1: How as you guys go into the weekend with your

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Speaker 1: him and you always remember to a casual stretch, all right?

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,