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Speaker 1: James Garvell.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, James Carvel.
Speaker 3: I'm always glad to be back.
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you, and I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, so you have done this many times, say
Speaker 1: you are Biden's campaign manager. Right now, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do now you have a year? Tell me
Speaker 1: how you get working class people back into the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party and bring back Hispanics and African Americans.
Speaker 2: No pressure go.
Speaker 4: First of all, we we just got to do gotta.
Speaker 3: With white working class.
Speaker 4: It's not about it.
Speaker 2: But what do you think the white working class wants.
Speaker 4: A lot of the lord. We can't give them that's
Speaker 4: health adults or race. Not all of them, but a
Speaker 4: lot just can't give them. Sorry, you know, we're not
Speaker 4: gonna shoot people of that kind of stuff, so it's
Speaker 4: just not gonna have but we can certainly cut the margins.
Speaker 4: We have horrific problems with black turnout. I can you
Speaker 4: tell you how bad they are. And we also have
Speaker 4: the problems with you front. Part of it is going
Speaker 4: to be, you know, making the top continue to make
Speaker 4: him this horrible a deals but people already know horrible.
Speaker 4: He is asked to see Bobby Kennedy's mental health records,
Speaker 4: which should be a minimum because right now he's getting
Speaker 4: a lot of votes. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 4: are saying they get to vote for it because they
Speaker 4: you know, why not be on like Biden on a
Speaker 4: like pump and you know RFA sewn or remember something
Speaker 4: about that guy so which pleads for reached your mental
Speaker 4: health rate? And if you know you ever been cited
Speaker 4: for HEROLD, I would ask the questions and you get
Speaker 4: into a fifth way, You're great to ask what and
Speaker 4: you'd have to run a pretty aggressive youth engagent program
Speaker 4: because the youth engagement in the black engagement in not very.
Speaker 5: Good in some ways.
Speaker 1: I think about Bill Clinton because Clinton also struggled with
Speaker 1: the youth vote the second time around.
Speaker 4: Right, it's trouble. I mean, it should be the youth
Speaker 4: share thirty and on there should be about seventeen. If
Speaker 4: you fall below that, it really hurts because it's not
Speaker 4: just that the young published break for you.
Speaker 3: They also have to come out vote.
Speaker 4: So let's just say the youth share is supposed to
Speaker 4: be seventeen, you get sixty two, Well, get the share
Speaker 4: go fifteen. Not only do not get sixty two or seventeen,
Speaker 4: you get sixty to fifteen. But conversely, the over thirty
Speaker 4: shifts have two flights, which you're not going to do
Speaker 4: it well. I was looking at the results of the
Speaker 4: Ohio Abortion Book, and it was staggering how every time
Speaker 4: you went up the age demographic level, the pro choice
Speaker 4: folk went down, and I mean it was noticeable. And
Speaker 4: if you don't get you young voters are just a critical, critical,
Speaker 4: critical part of the Democratic coalition, and they just don't
Speaker 4: have to stand a good sentence. They have to stand
Speaker 4: a really good engagement for and the old top voters
Speaker 4: they're engaged. They want to burn the god Nail compute Hey,
Speaker 4: they got garrisene in the package out. They're ready to go.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that for a second.
Speaker 1: Youth engagement it's about sort of registering voters, or it's
Speaker 1: about getting like. I think about student dead a lot,
Speaker 1: because that's something that I know young voters really care about, right.
Speaker 4: But the people pre said young voters that are in
Speaker 4: that really care about it.
Speaker 5: But most a lot of young people.
Speaker 4: Go out of college. They go two old people that
Speaker 4: go to day community college and go to the entire
Speaker 4: I believe right now that I mean, you're right, you
Speaker 4: have the debt, you really care about it. Think of
Speaker 4: how many young folds of minimum age works are largely involved.
Speaker 4: I mean style, twenty two year old working in tar
Speaker 4: shop in Atlanta. He got a lot more shit on
Speaker 4: his mind and it's been student debt. But it gets
Speaker 4: one of these things. And what we think because the
Speaker 4: yellow people we know care about student that the old
Speaker 4: people we know care about common issues.
Speaker 3: And you know, because now.
Speaker 4: I'll come home from cotwoit with all on that friends
Speaker 4: and we say, gee, I know to you. I got
Speaker 4: a twenty three year old daughter that lives in Chelsea
Speaker 4: and Manhattan. Well, the people that she hangs out would
Speaker 4: are not reflected of other twenty four year olds around
Speaker 4: the country. They're not all clubbing. When you do it politics,
Speaker 4: you got to be careful not to take your own
Speaker 4: experience and apply to everyone else. If every you know
Speaker 4: clubbing twenty four year old Manhattan is twenty four and
Speaker 4: a trying to take care of it, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think about the idea of just getting Biden
Speaker 2: out there more?
Speaker 1: A lot of times the criticism I've heard is that
Speaker 1: he's sort of too cloistered and they're too careful with him.
Speaker 4: How I say this because I'm just turned seventy nine.
Speaker 4: I think he's doing all he can do. I think
Speaker 4: you got so much gas in that tank, and he's
Speaker 4: got a pretty good bit on his on his plate anyway,
Speaker 4: But have him go out.
Speaker 2: There and do you want just sort of more campaigning.
Speaker 4: It's following a LOGI has call got people in more
Speaker 4: trouble than anything I can think of.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 4: It goes like this, something must be done, this is something, ergo,
Speaker 4: let's do this. Oh, then you end up in a
Speaker 4: rock show. Something be done. But not every something you
Speaker 4: say cause a lot more Greek than others. But and
Speaker 4: I don't know if you you said, well, I need
Speaker 4: to put by An out there more. I to do
Speaker 4: more doing one have a town hall voter, uh, Virginia
Speaker 4: Community College, all right, not in a union hall.
Speaker 3: I don't know right now.
Speaker 4: The situation is is garis.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of crutch for example, like I
Speaker 1: just want to go back to the off off your election.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I was pretty sure that young Kin
Speaker 1: was going to be able to flip the House of
Speaker 1: Delegates because or the state Senate one was Republican, because
Speaker 1: it felt to me like Young Cain was offering a
Speaker 1: sort of more moderate style of trump Ism. What happened
Speaker 1: instead was that Democrats were able to flip the other
Speaker 1: state house, and now Youngkin has even less power. Democrats
Speaker 1: really did overperform again. So I'm just wondering how much
Speaker 1: you think that relates to the current situation.
Speaker 6: So let's let'st it is undeniably true that Democrats have
Speaker 6: either won or oh before in every elections to Kansas
Speaker 6: Night if you remember the Kansas represented which is in
Speaker 6: August twenty twenty two. Actually the only answer don't right
Speaker 6: to go to that campaign. Since then, we've won and
Speaker 6: overperformed in every election.
Speaker 3: That's the denial.
Speaker 6: We actually got a higher present Mississippi and any Democrats
Speaker 6: got in missispydo very.
Speaker 3: Very close to the Democrats that didn't stake part a chair.
Speaker 6: Second looks worth forty years now you think one person
Speaker 6: more than any other, and that's more more young and
Speaker 6: was going to use tests. You know, I'm gonna hate
Speaker 6: the bion asked paper report and heat raised and slow body.
Speaker 6: And if he won, he kept the thousand and wouldn't
Speaker 6: send it. He was going to go to Moine the
Speaker 6: concert new and then the United States done to Mark
Speaker 6: Walk for Government of Virginia, got on the phone and
Speaker 6: did what he had to do and raised a bunch
Speaker 6: of money. And the Democrats ran a very smart companigne.
Speaker 6: Much of it was talking about keeping revolt the bout
Speaker 6: of your bedroom in your library, and.
Speaker 3: We ran foot camp.
Speaker 7: We have club streets.
Speaker 3: Does this have a art of complication for Biden?
Speaker 7: Truck community Colonel West.
Speaker 3: Joe ste right in.
Speaker 6: You know, but it's undeniable that we're running elections right now,
Speaker 6: the kind of winning everywhere Sonatics come in. I mean,
Speaker 6: Yack is so nakedly transparent. David Will for the Litcharlo.
Speaker 6: You know, I can't talk about but we get in.
Speaker 6: Well really yet in the home now.
Speaker 7: He said, Well, they caught up with the fifteen week
Speaker 7: ban with exceptions, by the way, is approved by the
Speaker 7: NASH No white lifeple.
Speaker 3: They're trying to surrender us.
Speaker 7: No one will take their white flag. The public is
Speaker 7: like spoo you. We don't trust you.
Speaker 6: You don't bleed this. You're tied to you try to
Speaker 6: get you're trying to burn out books. You're trying to
Speaker 6: get in our betrouts, trying to make every preachers make
Speaker 6: decisions about our lives. If we feel like when Toddlin
Speaker 6: and then you get caught and you say about, well
Speaker 6: figure something out. No, people are not that stupid sicklet
Speaker 6: in all the Virginia I mean where we worked with
Speaker 6: some pretty pretty engaged voters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds like your anxiety is And I
Speaker 1: think these are really relevant and important and certainly these
Speaker 1: really are things that can be addressed a little less
Speaker 1: than a year to the election. But youth voters, youth turnout,
Speaker 1: and third party right in.
Speaker 6: Black turnout, I mean black turnout out, the kind of
Speaker 6: zoop form invidia what almost non existent.
Speaker 7: This has been true everywhere for some reason.
Speaker 6: And I do not know why you can't get people
Speaker 6: talk about it. They think it's racist to say we
Speaker 6: we have a troubled with black crowd. It's just the opposite,
Speaker 6: which yet we had elections.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Biden has done something to alienate
Speaker 1: black voters.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine any precedent with a better record for
Speaker 6: Black America to Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: And if you can't convince.
Speaker 6: Your hawks in to grow unemployment differential between black and
Speaker 6: white unemployment.
Speaker 7: The appointments he may he's made.
Speaker 3: Just what Joe what Joe Biden's heart is right? I
Speaker 3: said he was the biggest.
Speaker 6: Ill plunder mard thatf we had a stunning rugery. No
Speaker 6: one's had a better record than Joe Biden and no
Speaker 6: one is getting the worse.
Speaker 2: Oh, do you think it's that he doesn't have enough
Speaker 2: black surrogate out on the trail?
Speaker 3: I got black sargus everywhere.
Speaker 7: You have black captain all right to have any more.
Speaker 7: And by the way, we had bad black turn out
Speaker 7: with both Warnock and Station at the.
Speaker 3: Ballot in the first round of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: We had bad black turnout with sharing b sail the
Speaker 6: ballot in North Carolina we had bad turnout, black turnout,
Speaker 6: and Spain it bad black turnout in Wisconsin.
Speaker 7: I got these consultants called, he said, ship, look it.
Speaker 7: You know what do we do?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I'm trying to think with them, and
Speaker 6: you know, come up with ideas and throw spaghetti up
Speaker 6: against the wall. And right now is sticking.
Speaker 2: You have no sense of what it is.
Speaker 3: It's not that we don't have sufficient black commogies. Now
Speaker 3: we can.
Speaker 6: We can part that law as a reason. I'm pretty
Speaker 6: sure that's not it. It's somehow or another.
Speaker 7: They don't think that we understand their lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is is that I
Speaker 7: think the costs of living stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, the inflation stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just cute.
Speaker 6: So you go out and you know people, well they
Speaker 6: content actually doesn't and you think it is and then
Speaker 6: they say, well that guy that.
Speaker 7: Makes it great.
Speaker 3: Now I did.
Speaker 6: But if you don't say something good about the economy,
Speaker 6: how they're going to know it as anything else? Probably
Speaker 6: default position is going to be let's scare of the
Speaker 6: ship out of it. You know that that's gonna work.
Speaker 6: According to the White House.
Speaker 7: Message, they say, you're not voting for the almighty, you're.
Speaker 3: Voting for the alternative. It's all right. That is not
Speaker 3: a very inspirational starting place. The tough that is summoned
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 7: Well, not you know, well, think about how bad you think,
Speaker 7: no the band, Now, just think about how bad.
Speaker 6: That's not probably gonna get somebody off the vote. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a vaccine problem.
Speaker 8: Is the obi people really talk about it are people
Speaker 8: that have directly involved in these campaigns. I mean Mandela Barge,
Speaker 8: the Progressive great unbelievable, we couldn't get turnout.
Speaker 1: Can I just say one thing about Mandela bar He
Speaker 1: almost won. He was a victim of bad pulling right.
Speaker 1: The poll showed he was behind by ten points or
Speaker 1: eight points.
Speaker 3: You know what, our shoes stupid.
Speaker 6: If we haven't lost, we're wanning elections. We wonder the
Speaker 6: spring Court elected about thirteen points. You know, almost don't
Speaker 6: get you anything.
Speaker 7: Not only to be the reason he lost, he did
Speaker 7: staggeringly well in Dane.
Speaker 6: County, which is Madison. He can't tap it black time
Speaker 6: out the law. If he had anything toward normal turnament,
Speaker 6: and that's where the share kills you. That's that's where
Speaker 6: you lose when you don't have that, that's why you
Speaker 6: lose harches and that's why this is so.
Speaker 3: Unbelieval quick slugging. Yes, a Vandela bar is the perfect example.
Speaker 6: Wanted to tell you the white progressis they came out
Speaker 6: of the woodwork, but it wasn't enough. The black sip
Speaker 6: vote but one or not in order to win, it's
Speaker 6: very difficult to do it without a robust you said,
Speaker 6: out got a robust black shit.
Speaker 3: You really have to match the historical level. You don't affect.
Speaker 3: You re open.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, James really appreciate you got you dere.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Sean Tel Brown represents Ohio's eleventh congressional district.
Speaker 2: Welcome too fast politics. Representative Brown, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you, and I feel like you
Speaker 1: have such an interesting district. But talk to us a
Speaker 1: little bit about how you got to Congress and what
Speaker 1: your district is like.
Speaker 9: I'll start back when I think it's important for your
Speaker 9: listeners to know that my entree into politics came because
Speaker 9: I simply wanted to help my neighbors who were all
Speaker 9: like seniors and mitire's. I was the youngest homeowner on
Speaker 9: my street. This is in twenty eleven and much like
Speaker 9: we're dealing with now with the Israel Kamas conflict. The
Speaker 9: news cycle was redundant, but at that time it was
Speaker 9: the Japanese tsunami. It led me to my first city
Speaker 9: council meeting because I I wanted to know where would
Speaker 9: we go in the event of a natural disaster. So
Speaker 9: I got the answer. But something gnawed my spirit and said,
Speaker 9: keep going back and learn about what's happening in your neighborhood.
Speaker 9: And I did, and what I learned, Molly was there
Speaker 9: was room for improvement. So rather than complain, I'm a
Speaker 9: person that believes in being the change that you want
Speaker 9: to see. And so I decided to throw my name
Speaker 9: in the hat to run for city council. And as
Speaker 9: I continued to go to the meetings, I cultivated relationships
Speaker 9: with the administration and they said, if you need some
Speaker 9: help out there, let us know. Well. I took them
Speaker 9: up on their offer, and I was able to get
Speaker 9: some things done even before being elected. Fast forward, election
Speaker 9: day came, polls closed, I was down by six votes.
Speaker 9: Actually thought I lost the race. I was down but
Speaker 9: not out, disappointed but not devastated. I decided I was
Speaker 9: going to keep doing what I was doing because I
Speaker 9: was getting things done. It was about doing the work
Speaker 9: for the people and not necessarily the position or the
Speaker 9: title for me. But little did I know there were
Speaker 9: twenty three provisional ballots in my race. Eleven days later,
Speaker 9: after those votes were counted, I learned that I had
Speaker 9: actually won by seven votes. Wow. Yes, every vote does count.
Speaker 9: Do the work for the people, not the position of
Speaker 9: the power. And that was the thing that led me
Speaker 9: into politics. So fast forward, other opportunities presented themselves. I
Speaker 9: eventually became a county council person, Democratic Party chair, and
Speaker 9: then the special election came when my predecessor was promoted
Speaker 9: to Secretary of hud for the Biden Harris administration. And
Speaker 9: I think the timing opportunity and the work that I
Speaker 9: had done from twenty eleven to twenty twenty one put
Speaker 9: me in an excellent position to be able to navigate
Speaker 9: a race of thirteen candidates and secure almost fifty one
Speaker 9: percent of the vote in that race. And it really
Speaker 9: came down to me and another dynamic African American woman.
Speaker 9: But I think the distinction was I had been in
Speaker 9: the community for the last ten years actually delivering results,
Speaker 9: while she had been on the national stage campaigning along
Speaker 9: Senator Sanders, and so that was the distinction. People knew
Speaker 9: me I had a reputation for getting things done, and
Speaker 9: the people knew that they could trust me to go
Speaker 9: to Congress and get the work done on their behalf.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this because right
Speaker 1: now we are starting the run up to what might
Speaker 1: be the last election we ever have in this country,
Speaker 1: not to put too fine a point on it, And
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that you won your election by
Speaker 1: being known by local people and by delivering for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that can translate into the presidential.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, because politics is local, right. We've heard the expression
Speaker 9: and we know it. I'm a federal candidate. I make
Speaker 9: laws at the national level. But the race came down
Speaker 9: to the people and knowing the candidates, knowing what the
Speaker 9: reputation was, knowing the work that they've actually done. Kyahaga County,
Speaker 9: for your listeners, is heavily democratic, So people say, you know,
Speaker 9: if you put a bottle of water and it has
Speaker 9: a d by, it's going to get elected in. It's
Speaker 9: very important, though, that you have someone in the position, though,
Speaker 9: that knows how to get things done, who has good
Speaker 9: working relationships with folks who also is open minded and
Speaker 9: willing to make compromise. And I think that was the
Speaker 9: key to what some people would call my rapid rise
Speaker 9: and success in what has been often described as a
Speaker 9: legacy seat. This seat was held by the Honorable Loo Stokes,
Speaker 9: who demanded that we have reflective representation in our government.
Speaker 9: He was followed by Stephanie Tubbs Jones who left us
Speaker 9: all too soon, but she had a huge reputation known
Speaker 9: for her just dynamic personality. She could connect with people
Speaker 9: from what I would describe as the hood to the heights,
Speaker 9: from the streets to the suites. She just was known
Speaker 9: for that. And then followed by my predecessor, Secretary Marsha Fudge,
Speaker 9: who has been known for making headway and not headlined.
Speaker 9: She's just all about the policy and always making sure
Speaker 9: she put the people first. And that was one of
Speaker 9: the things that she instilled in me. Make sure you
Speaker 9: put the people first, and that to me is what
Speaker 9: keeps the eleventh Congressional District. Folks focus on the person,
Speaker 9: and not necessarily the personality, focus on the substance and
Speaker 9: not necessarily the style.
Speaker 1: So today I was talking to James Carbo, and he said,
Speaker 1: one of the anxieties that Democrats are having is black turnout.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that's crazy? And if you
Speaker 1: think that's right, what do you think Democrats need to
Speaker 1: do to fix that.
Speaker 9: We've got to meet people where they are, Molly, and
Speaker 9: I know that that sounds cliche, but it is really true,
Speaker 9: and we have to be able to connect the dots
Speaker 9: for folks particularly, a lot of people are in survival mode.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 9: Inflation is high, but it's coming down. Rent is high.
Speaker 9: I don't know that that's coming down, but we are
Speaker 9: seeing more job creation lower unemployment than we have in
Speaker 9: recent history.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 9: But because people are in this kind of survival state
Speaker 9: of mind, we have to be able to connect the
Speaker 9: winds in everyday life with the policy makers and the
Speaker 9: legislators so that they understand how the two connect. And
Speaker 9: what I mean by that. Let's you know, the fact
Speaker 9: that we've been able to cap insulin prices at thirty
Speaker 9: five dollars a month is helping put money back into
Speaker 9: people's pockets.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 9: We know that African Americans are disproportionately affected by diabetes
Speaker 9: and other chronic illnesses and they're very costly. But because
Speaker 9: of the Inflation Reduction Act. We've been able to make
Speaker 9: some real change because of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. We've
Speaker 9: created millions of jobs that did not require a four
Speaker 9: year degree, but you can earn a good wage. So
Speaker 9: we've got to get people back to work and back
Speaker 9: to getting into these good positions, and those who have
Speaker 9: been able to benefit from these jobs, they have to
Speaker 9: be able to draw the line back to oh, this
Speaker 9: is a result of a policy that was made by
Speaker 9: my congress person. The veterans packed at those things that
Speaker 9: have helped Veterans who historically and traditionally were not getting
Speaker 9: the level of benefits that they had earned and deserved,
Speaker 9: need to know that it was not a miraculous act
Speaker 9: of God that now they're getting eighty ninety one hundred
Speaker 9: percent of their benefits when for the last few decades
Speaker 9: they've been getting ten or fifteen percent. So making these
Speaker 9: things digestible, palatable, and connecting them to their everyday life,
Speaker 9: I think is critical to us making sure that people
Speaker 9: understand that their vote has value and they are getting
Speaker 9: some real tangible results.
Speaker 1: So you have this legislation that you've just introduced which
Speaker 1: would improve federal re entry grant programs. Explain to us
Speaker 1: what all those words be in.
Speaker 9: Well, recidivism is high, and we want to make sure
Speaker 9: that we're dealing with issues as it relates to recidivism
Speaker 9: and reducing that. And so we wanted to put something
Speaker 9: together because this, again is an issue in a city
Speaker 9: like clevelandle one of the highest poverty rates in a
Speaker 9: big city in the country, where we're trying to help
Speaker 9: returning citizens be able to seamlessly transition back into the
Speaker 9: everyday life. And so these are the things that we
Speaker 9: hear from constituents that are critically important to just again
Speaker 9: making their lives better, putting people over politics, doing the
Speaker 9: real work that delivers real results and improve the quality
Speaker 9: of their life.
Speaker 1: So, after three weeks of having no House speaker, you
Speaker 1: now have a new Speaker of the House. He is
Speaker 1: quite religious, but not universally disliked like Kevin McCarthy, So
Speaker 1: that's something he definitely has fantasies of a federal abortion ban.
Speaker 1: Are you concerned about that coming up? There's different parts
Speaker 1: of the cr that he has to try to pass.
Speaker 1: A lot of this is going to happen in the
Speaker 1: new year. But I'm just curious what your thoughts are
Speaker 1: about the new Speaker.
Speaker 9: Many thoughts about speaker, So starting with the fact that
Speaker 9: he is he has been described as the architect of
Speaker 9: the election, denying for the twenty twenty election, and that
Speaker 9: is very concern and giving the fact that he is
Speaker 9: now the Speaker of the House and has far, far,
Speaker 9: far too much authority in my opinion, as it relates
Speaker 9: to how we will transition in twenty twenty four after
Speaker 9: votes are accounted and the things that we will need
Speaker 9: to do to certify our election. So I do have
Speaker 9: some concerns as it relates to the National Abortion Band.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm from Ohio. We had a big issue
Speaker 9: in November earlier this month as it relates to enshrining
Speaker 9: the right for women and people to make their own
Speaker 9: health care decisions into our constitution. It was a big
Speaker 9: deal because, like many of the other states where this
Speaker 9: was on the balloted pass by I think fifty seven percent.
Speaker 9: And the reason I bring that up is because Republican
Speaker 9: like Megamike and Jim Jordan and our Secretary of State,
Speaker 9: who was the architect of an issue in August, wanted
Speaker 9: to raise that threshold to sixty percent of supermajority, which
Speaker 9: would have if they were successful in August, then this
Speaker 9: initiative in November would not have passed. So it is
Speaker 9: very concerning to have someone in the House who is
Speaker 9: anti abortion, anti LGBTQ, and does it under the guise
Speaker 9: of religion, because I am a child of faith and
Speaker 9: the Bible that I read teaches me to love, and
Speaker 9: that is one of the foundation and premises of faith
Speaker 9: that I don't always see being practiced on the other
Speaker 9: side of the aisle. There's a lot of hate, a
Speaker 9: lot of bashing, and a lot of anti this and
Speaker 9: anti that, and it is quite frightening for me as
Speaker 9: a black woman who knows that our rights and freedoms
Speaker 9: are constantly being threatened, especially right now where we have
Speaker 9: this radical right wing Supreme Court who continues to make
Speaker 9: decisions that just seem to continue to turn back the
Speaker 9: hands of time as it relates to affirmative action, the
Speaker 9: Dobbs decision which overturned Row versus Way. It is a
Speaker 9: frightening time. So Maga Mike is right in line with
Speaker 9: President Trump's just anti anti anti everything. They are truly
Speaker 9: the Party of no great at pointing out problems, terrible
Speaker 9: at finding any solutions, and I don't see right now
Speaker 9: Magamic being any different. Quite candidly, it.
Speaker 1: Is interesting now that they have found someone who he
Speaker 1: basically would someone that they sort of like they just
Speaker 1: panicked right after three weeks of not having a speaker,
Speaker 1: and really we just have to make someone speaker. And
Speaker 1: this guy is not universally loathed. I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: when you think about this abortion band. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: in Ohio, so you I mean, what do voters tell
Speaker 1: you are their concerns.
Speaker 9: Well, let me start with going just back to that
Speaker 9: critical election at the top of the month. Is that people.
Speaker 9: The people spoke loud and clear, and it was a
Speaker 9: broad coalition. I definitely have the lead Democrat, but Independence
Speaker 9: and Republicans. You don't get those type of numbers in
Speaker 9: Ohio without having a broad coalition of support. So what
Speaker 9: they're telling us is that they want to be able
Speaker 9: to make their own health care decisions. They do not
Speaker 9: support these all out abortion bans, these extreme abortion bands.
Speaker 2: In Ohio.
Speaker 9: We were the state that had a ten year old
Speaker 9: rape victim who had to flee the state to get
Speaker 9: an abortion, and that alone should let people know that
Speaker 9: abortion care is healthcare. This is the state that I
Speaker 9: live in so people are very clear whether they're Democrat, Republican, independent, male, female, black, white, abroad.
Speaker 9: A coalition of folks came out for this election, which
Speaker 9: is in a local election year traditionally, so typically in
Speaker 9: local election years, some people like to call them off
Speaker 9: election years. I don't believe in off election years. There's
Speaker 9: no such thing as an off election. Particularly in Ohio.
Speaker 9: We have elections every single year, often twice primaries in general.
Speaker 9: So in this local election year, we saw numbers like
Speaker 9: mid term election numbers, which is unheard of.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're seeing a lot of turnarout.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, we were seeing great turnouts. So people are
Speaker 9: paying attention. What it's telling me, people are paying attention.
Speaker 9: Issues are still important, and messaging matters. That's what the
Speaker 9: people are telling me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a really good point. I mean, but
Speaker 2: you feel like your constituents the sort of number one
Speaker 2: thing they're struggling with right now is inflation.
Speaker 9: Inflation is a challenge and what we have continued to
Speaker 9: do and continue to fight for in this in this Congress.
Speaker 9: But I think more successfully obviously in the one hundred
Speaker 9: and seven with Democrats have the majority, we were able
Speaker 9: to get some significant things done and so now Molly,
Speaker 9: it's about implementation. In twenty twenty one, my first vote
Speaker 9: second day was to cast the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. We
Speaker 9: know that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Structure Law will yield amazing
Speaker 9: job opportunities for years and years to come. This is
Speaker 9: not something we're just going to see a one or
Speaker 9: two year benefit. This is going to be for years
Speaker 9: and years to come. So I have the utmost confidence
Speaker 9: that as we talk about inflation and we think about
Speaker 9: the opportunities that are going to avail themselves when we
Speaker 9: couple that with the Inflation Reduction Act, with the things
Speaker 9: that we have already done and that we will be
Speaker 9: able to do to combat inflation, like the negotiation of
Speaker 9: the top ten prescription drug prices, negotiating them down, so
Speaker 9: again we're putting money back into people's pockets. The rebates
Speaker 9: that people would be able to receive as it relates
Speaker 9: to improving and upgrading their homes to make the more
Speaker 9: energy efficient, lowering their electric bills and gas bills and
Speaker 9: things like that, those are the real things that will
Speaker 9: start to hit people's wallet. We're starting to see gas
Speaker 9: prices come down, but nobody's really talking talking about these things.
Speaker 9: The number of people that the President was able to
Speaker 9: relieve of their student debt, and still we have the
Speaker 9: Save program for those who did not get that benefit.
Speaker 9: They can get their student loan payments adjusted based on
Speaker 9: their income and how many people live in their household,
Speaker 9: and they won't be impacted by the interest rate, which
Speaker 9: has also been a hindrance for people. So there are
Speaker 9: things that are continuing to happen as a result of
Speaker 9: the one hundred and seventeen Congress to deal with this inflation.
Speaker 9: And so I think we'll given a little bit more time,
Speaker 9: and hopefully by the time this time next year, a
Speaker 9: little bit sooner, people will be able to say, Okay,
Speaker 9: I'm feeling the results of this great legislation that was
Speaker 9: passed during the one hundred and seventeenth Congress to tackle
Speaker 9: these issues round inflation.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I hope you'll come back.
Speaker 5: I hope you'll have me back.
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure bank.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're great, really appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Doug Rushkoff is the author of Survival of the Richest.
Speaker 5: So let me tell you, yes, I honestly, honestly, if
Speaker 5: I could choose anyone with who to sit in the
Speaker 5: front row at the downfall of civilization, It would be you.
Speaker 5: I really won't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm listening to you this morning to get thinking. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you are intervening on behalf of democracy
Speaker 5: or simply providing palliative care to a dying society. But
Speaker 5: it feels so good to listen to you, and then
Speaker 5: to get your email.
Speaker 7: We need you.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god, I want to be part.
Speaker 5: I'm here, iron here, I'm.
Speaker 1: So I want to start by asking you a question
Speaker 1: which I have been thinking about this entire time, because
Speaker 1: I wrote this week about this idea of pseudo events,
Speaker 1: and then my husband Mac Greenfield was talking about this
Speaker 1: idea of the single lachrum, right, which is this is
Speaker 1: a little we're getting a little esoteric here.
Speaker 2: So well, this is a long, convoluted way to say that.
Speaker 1: When I talked to Ben Mazerk, he said that he
Speaker 1: was pretty sure that Elon Musk believed he was in
Speaker 1: a simulation revolving around him, and that this is not
Speaker 1: that unusual for very successful people.
Speaker 5: What discuss Well, it's interesting in the last season of Westworld,
Speaker 5: which was about these robots and all they're like, you know,
Speaker 5: robot people. One of the leads decides to try to
Speaker 5: figure out kind of how to save the planet, how
Speaker 5: to save civilization, So he runs simulations in order to
Speaker 5: figure out what's the best path. So he spends, like,
Speaker 5: you know, ten years, running millions and millions of simulations,
Speaker 5: trying everything to find out what's the most likely path. So,
Speaker 5: if you're running millions and millions and millions of simulations
Speaker 5: in order to figure out which one path to go,
Speaker 5: it means that there's way, way, way more simulations going
Speaker 5: on than there are actual realities. Right, So tech bros Figure,
Speaker 5: since there's so many more simulations going on, it's way
Speaker 5: more probable that we're just in one of those simulations
Speaker 5: than we are in a real thing. That's sort of
Speaker 5: where they go with it, you know. But they live
Speaker 5: by probability, right, That's artificial intelligences are what. They're probability engines.
Speaker 5: They look for the most probable answer to something that
Speaker 5: anybody who's stuck completely in the kind of computer mindset,
Speaker 5: they run everything to get to the most probable outcome,
Speaker 5: the most probable way of making money, the most probable
Speaker 5: place to make your bet on the stock market, and
Speaker 5: they're not living in that weird human in between crazy
Speaker 5: realm of possibility where us sort of more are humanist
Speaker 5: kind of thinkers live.
Speaker 2: So what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Does that mean? What that means?
Speaker 2: We are in a simulation. I'm worried that now that
Speaker 2: you're saying Elon is right.
Speaker 5: No, I'm saying that if you're playing a purely probabilistic game,
Speaker 5: then Elon is right. But you know what, life itself
Speaker 5: is so highly improbable, right, that something sappened to make
Speaker 5: this everything great that's happened. You know, life and humans
Speaker 5: and consciousness and society. These are all improbable things. Even
Speaker 5: the way that the tech bros have manifested it's highly
Speaker 5: improbable that you'd get to be Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.
Speaker 5: So on the one hand, they think of themselves as
Speaker 5: these demi gods, super being better than anybody else, which
Speaker 5: is highly improbable. And on the other hand, they're playing
Speaker 5: this computer game that we're living in a world dictated
Speaker 5: by probability, and it just it doesn't hold up right.
Speaker 5: It's so self contradictory. But these are not normal people.
Speaker 5: They don't think in normal ways. They didn't ground themselves
Speaker 5: emotionally right. They didn't develop personalities the way most of
Speaker 5: us did. They kind of leaned into certain aspects of
Speaker 5: their autism to become a kind of a distanced systems
Speaker 5: thinker where they look at the world much more like
Speaker 5: everybody or just little iron filings moving back and forth
Speaker 5: between the magnetic poles of these super beings you know
Speaker 5: that are them and Musk and viz Us and Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: Elon went to Israel yesterday as a response to being
Speaker 1: called antisemitic. Maybe I don't know, I mean, does he
Speaker 1: just want to keep everyone's attention? Is there something more
Speaker 1: that I'm missing? Explained to me? What's happening here?
Speaker 5: Well, I think Elon Musk thinks of himself a bit
Speaker 5: like the King that when he kind of bought Twitter
Speaker 5: and turns it into x and became the new troll
Speaker 5: in chief, kind of replaced Trump as the planet's chief troll.
Speaker 5: And I think he does. You know, I don't think
Speaker 5: he's as evil as all that. I think he's more
Speaker 5: whimsical but very very powerful. So he sees a tweet
Speaker 5: and he goes, yeah, that sounds right, and he retweets
Speaker 5: it at the moment, and it's like dude, what are
Speaker 5: you doing? Like, you know, whether it's you know, Pelosi's husband,
Speaker 5: you know, is attacked by a gay lever. That sounds good.
Speaker 5: Let's see what that does. It's also great for business
Speaker 5: in a certain way. It's great for business if your
Speaker 5: business is to generate excitement and inflammation and you know,
Speaker 5: and get people tweeting and commenting, then sure, you know
Speaker 5: the same as it's good for business. For Trump. It
Speaker 5: gets his base all excited, so he'll retweet things and
Speaker 5: generate hubbub and then right his advertisers want to leave.
Speaker 4: So what does he do?
Speaker 5: A kind of a listening tour on the Middle East? Right,
Speaker 5: this good friend baby net and Yahoo. You know, you
Speaker 5: also just he keeps who just keeps saying there will
Speaker 5: never be two states. It's like, do you really want
Speaker 5: to be saying that just out in the open. You know,
Speaker 5: at least we know where he stands. But it's bizarre.
Speaker 5: But yeah, he goes and walks through See I like Jews.
Speaker 5: It's all good. Remember I'm from another apartheid state.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's such a strange phenomenon to have this person was
Speaker 1: so much power. So he does control like half of
Speaker 1: the satellites in the country, right, I know.
Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing that I keep thinking, is
Speaker 5: like there's a real difference between the kind of robber
Speaker 5: barons of today versus those of the of the original
Speaker 5: Gilded Age, you know, because I was looking at that,
Speaker 5: they really are not. Musk is not richer than JP
Speaker 5: Morgan was, you know, not balanced for inflation. These guys
Speaker 5: are not richer, but they seem so much more powerful.
Speaker 5: And I think it's because they have this almost horizontal power. Right,
Speaker 5: Musk doesn't just own Twitter X. He owns Tesla and
Speaker 5: Space and Starlink and the Boring Company and Solar City
Speaker 5: and Neuralink and Xai and he's trying to build another
Speaker 5: finance company. So yeah, So he owns Starlink, which is
Speaker 5: like the main satellite system that we use for surveillance
Speaker 5: and spying. So he had the ability to tell Ukraine, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'll give you the ability to see this far into Russia,
Speaker 5: but no further than that. Or he can go to
Speaker 5: Israel to say, okay, you know, I'll let you see
Speaker 5: this part of Gaza, but maybe not that. And that's
Speaker 5: weird for a tech bro dude to have, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of almost the ability to grant powers or not
Speaker 5: to international militaries.
Speaker 2: Do you think that part of what.
Speaker 1: Has created Elon Musk and also this tech pro overclass
Speaker 1: which controls things that normal citizens should probably not control.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is because of a lack
Speaker 1: of government regulation.
Speaker 5: Which certainly doesn't help. And it's interesting ed the brilliance
Speaker 5: of some of these guys, like you look at a
Speaker 5: Sam Altman who begs for government regulation is for them
Speaker 5: by the time they turn around and say we want
Speaker 5: government regulation, it's because they can write the regulation to
Speaker 5: favor their own businesses. Right, So once you get to
Speaker 5: the monopoly stage, you go, okay, let's have regulation. Let's
Speaker 5: make sure all the important players have a place at
Speaker 5: the table and no one else can get in. You know,
Speaker 5: that's like a classic move. So when you see one
Speaker 5: of these guys actually going to Congress and saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: I think it's time, that's because there they realize they
Speaker 5: have no more competitive advantage, that the way their technology
Speaker 5: works could be repeated by someone else, so quickly create
Speaker 5: regulations that prevent anyone else from having enough money to
Speaker 5: get in to get in on this thing. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's partly that and I think it's partly really capitalism itself.
Speaker 5: I really believe when people are talking about AI as
Speaker 5: this threat and they're worried about it, really what they're
Speaker 5: talking about is capitalism. It's not the AI, the technology
Speaker 5: it's in this case, it's the content. It's what are
Speaker 5: you running? What's the AI running on? The AI is
Speaker 5: running on, you know, the same corporate capitalist model of
Speaker 5: the East India Training Company, you know, sixteen hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is what is really strange and disturbing.
Speaker 1: What would your solutions be for this kind of problem?
Speaker 4: Right? Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, you have Elon Musk he is getting increasingly
Speaker 1: i want to say, right wing. He controls fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the satellites. We already know that he's done things
Speaker 1: like in Ukraine, decided he was sort of going to
Speaker 1: take Russia's side, right or we don't totally know, but
Speaker 1: there's some evidence to support that he may have made
Speaker 1: high level security decisions about his satellites that technically you
Speaker 1: might not want a private citizen making. I mean, are
Speaker 1: there sort of solutions that you can think of for
Speaker 1: this that go beyond regulation? I mean my sense as
Speaker 1: the government is just doing too little here you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not as good at the government side as
Speaker 5: the cultural side. And what I can tell you is
Speaker 5: that these guys are desperate for our approval and adulation.
Speaker 5: That they really look at themselves like demigods, like comic
Speaker 5: book heroes of a certain sort. And there is a
Speaker 5: tinkerbell quality to any demigod where you know, if you're
Speaker 5: not worshiping at their altar, they will do whatever they
Speaker 5: have to to get us to worship at their altar.
Speaker 5: They want our love, and I think the way we
Speaker 5: redirect some of their behaviors is by withdrawing and withholding
Speaker 5: our worship. I mean, it was hard, as a professional
Speaker 5: writer whatever just to go screw this. I'm leaving x Twitter.
Speaker 4: This is just not right.
Speaker 5: I don't want to feed into this, and I need
Speaker 5: to make get okay for other people to not be
Speaker 5: there either. It's okay to leave the man's platform if
Speaker 5: you don't like the man, because he's turned it into
Speaker 5: an extension of this ridiculous, crazy personality. It's a matter
Speaker 5: of us personally and culturally, socially and civically not adopting
Speaker 5: their effective altruist, almost quasi eugenic understanding of the world.
Speaker 5: But I'm thinking it's it's not adopting this every man
Speaker 5: for him self mindset that they have, you know, feeling
Speaker 5: confident to meet our neighbors and not depend on digital
Speaker 5: social networks to interact with other people. It will take time,
Speaker 5: that's sort of the slow path, but certainly regulate, certainly
Speaker 5: empowered government or I hate to say it, you know,
Speaker 5: the Pentagon or whoever it is, it's supposed to be
Speaker 5: making the decisions rather than him. But it's also not
Speaker 5: focusing so much on these guys as our own cultural heroes,
Speaker 5: you know, as our own exemplars. That's I think almost
Speaker 5: tougher for people than voting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is so true.
Speaker 5: They're laughable, right, These are clowns, Musk challenging Zuckerberg to
Speaker 5: a cage match. I mean really, and they go back
Speaker 5: and forth on it.
Speaker 3: Is this real?
Speaker 5: You know, these guys believing that the Earth is the
Speaker 5: fuel that they're going to use to get off the
Speaker 5: planet in order to actually survive beyond us or promote
Speaker 5: the human future. This effective altruist idea that the human
Speaker 5: beings who are alive today are just the larval stage
Speaker 5: of humanity and the only the ones that matter are
Speaker 5: going to be the ones that fly off. These are
Speaker 5: crazy people, right, These are nuts people. That's Sam Altman,
Speaker 5: that's Musk, that's steal And these guys are in charge
Speaker 5: of the technology that we believe is going to be
Speaker 5: the you know, the next big thing. They the ais
Speaker 5: that are going to rule our world. He's like, no way.
Speaker 1: Do you think the quick decision in the Sam Bankman
Speaker 1: Freed trial and the fact that he is likely going
Speaker 1: to go to jail SBF. Yeah, I think he's actually
Speaker 1: in jail, right, Yeah, that that has had some kind
Speaker 1: of effect on the tech pros because I mean that
Speaker 1: crew was saying, oh, he'll never get punished because he's
Speaker 1: a Democrat, which is not even true.
Speaker 2: He donated to both parties or do you think that
Speaker 2: really that did not have any effect on them.
Speaker 5: I think it was a little sacrificial lamb. Sam Bankman
Speaker 5: Freed was involved in the most overt style of tech broism, right,
Speaker 5: he was actually working with the money itself. So I
Speaker 5: think they feel insulated because they're in fantasy businesses you
Speaker 5: know that are there are that are unrelated. There's sort
Speaker 5: of one step removed from the raw money lender and
Speaker 5: my money changer, Sam Bankman freed in some ways. The
Speaker 5: interesting thing was after the SBF and then the also
Speaker 5: the Silicon Valley bank failure, tech pro generosity changed a lot.
Speaker 5: A lot of my friends in the nonprofit world are
Speaker 5: having a whole lot harder time I'm getting funded than
Speaker 5: they did before those two financial events. So I feel
Speaker 5: like the people who are into sort of digital finance
Speaker 5: have been chasened. But the people who are, you know,
Speaker 5: doing this kind of crazy world building, I don't think
Speaker 5: they're they're at all of it.
Speaker 2: Sam Altman ai discuss.
Speaker 5: That was an interesting one, right, So it's funny, you know,
Speaker 5: there's this story we're all familiar with now, this trope
Speaker 5: of the sort of the ousted CEO and the CEO
Speaker 5: had the original true, you know dream of the company,
Speaker 5: and they get kicked out by the capitalists, and the
Speaker 5: capitalists end up kind of failing, and then their original
Speaker 5: dream CEO comes back, like you know, Steve Jobs came
Speaker 5: back and rescued the true soul of Apple. Well, the
Speaker 5: Sam Altman story is that in reverse, right, there was
Speaker 5: a board of directors of this sort of non profity
Speaker 5: cap profit company. You've got to have a hybrid company
Speaker 5: that was trying to do good, and they had a
Speaker 5: board of directors who felt responsible to humanity. That the
Speaker 5: real mission of this company was not to build AI,
Speaker 5: but the underlying ultimate mission was to make sure AI
Speaker 5: did not harm humanity, that AI would be benevolently deployed.
Speaker 5: And they were getting concerned that Sam Altman and the
Speaker 5: business people were sacrificing that important ethical mission for the
Speaker 5: idea of making money. Right, the employees, they all want
Speaker 5: an IPO so they can cash out and make a
Speaker 5: ton of money. Sam Altman realized he's on the top
Speaker 5: and was really looking at From the best I can
Speaker 5: tell talking to my friends is that he was looking
Speaker 5: at adding a new way for AI to work, so
Speaker 5: that AI wouldn't just be using language models, but was
Speaker 5: going to start using math to figure stuff out for real.
Speaker 2: And could kill us, all right, Right, Well, OU to
Speaker 2: killer to.
Speaker 5: Do whatever it's going to do, but to grow, right,
Speaker 5: And between Altman and Microsoft and the employees, they were
Speaker 5: starting to look at money first, right, the real program,
Speaker 5: which is capitalism. Right, Capitalism the ultimate most powerful AI. Right.
Speaker 5: So this was not a CEO kicked out by capitalism.
Speaker 5: It was a CEO being kicked out by the anti capitalists,
Speaker 5: by the ones who were saying, wait a minute, we
Speaker 5: got to put on the brakes here by a board
Speaker 5: of directors who actually was acting so ethically they thought,
Speaker 5: even if this kills the company, it's what we have
Speaker 5: to do because we can't let this bad thing happen.
Speaker 5: And so he gets kicked out. But the capitalists when
Speaker 5: and all the employees go, no, wait a minute. We
Speaker 5: want our money, we want our stuff. We like our
Speaker 5: tech bro. You know, he's got a great personality, and
Speaker 5: look he's talking about being responsible. Come on, and they
Speaker 5: push him right back in, right, and then the board
Speaker 5: members are gone. We really looked at the real way
Speaker 5: that capitalism kind of took over a company through its
Speaker 5: original CEO.
Speaker 1: So interesting. Thank you so much, Doug Rushkoff. I hope
Speaker 1: you'll come back.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, no moment.
Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, Mali jog Fest.
Speaker 10: You know, it's always nice when a network gives out
Speaker 10: an endorsement, because you're like, that's the thing, but then
Speaker 10: never mind to somebody who has absolutely no chance. But
Speaker 10: then it inspires a lot of backbitting. What are you
Speaker 10: seeing here?
Speaker 1: Coke Network, which only one Coke is alive still has
Speaker 1: decided to get behind Nicky Haley. This is a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting phenomenon we're watching happen in real time, which is
Speaker 1: Republicans have discovered and sort of figured out that DeSantis
Speaker 1: cannot win, and so they're trying to coalesce behind someone
Speaker 1: who they think could conceivably win the nomination. And Nicki
Speaker 1: Haley has done really well in this primary contest. She's
Speaker 1: not my pick, but she's much more charismatic and less
Speaker 1: insane than Ron DeSantis. But what I think is interesting
Speaker 1: is the Koch brothers. You know, they're desperate not to
Speaker 1: have Biden have a second term because remember there's all
Speaker 1: this progressive spending government spending which they hate, right and
Speaker 1: the dream of a lot of these Republicans is to
Speaker 1: get rid of Obamacare and to kill the Social Safety
Speaker 1: Net for once and for all. And so Republicans have
Speaker 1: decided they're going to get behind Nikki Hilly. And my
Speaker 1: gas is that over the next couple weeks and months
Speaker 1: you're going to see more of that. But Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is not going away. As much as Republicans have long
Speaker 1: to wish him away, you cannot wish Donald Trump away.
Speaker 1: And that is why this entire fiasco is our moment
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