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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George

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Speaker 1: Nori with your stuff in shorts with us and we'll

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Speaker 1: take calls with stuff and next hour here on Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast, which is not too far away. Stuff in

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Speaker 1: the power of consciousness? Can you tap into it with meditation?

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Speaker 1: Does that work? Yes? That's the key to the whole business, George,

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Speaker 1: is the ability to attain and sustain intention focused awareness.

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Speaker 1: That's why they teach meditation in martial arts, dojos in Japan,

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Speaker 1: in Tibetan lamissaries, in Hindu temples, in Catholic seminaries. The

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Speaker 1: key to the whole business is being able to focus

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Speaker 1: so that the normal sensorial stimulation it's hot, it's cold,

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Speaker 1: it's light, it's dark, it's noisy, it's quiet, all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and all the sort of casual stuff

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Speaker 1: hear what in religion they call the still small voice.

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Speaker 1: But it's this nonlocal aspect of consciousness, which is the

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Speaker 1: part of consciousness which existed prior to your incarnation and

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Speaker 1: will continue after your physical death and we all have

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Speaker 1: access to it. And the way you do that is

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Speaker 1: you develop some technique for attaining and sustaining intentioned, focused awareness.

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Speaker 1: We know, for instance, that remote viewers who meditate repeatedly

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Speaker 1: do better than people who don't meditate, and the same

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Speaker 1: thing in all kinds of other phenomena. Do you find

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Speaker 1: that with intuition, telepathy, all that is tied into consciousness? Well,

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Speaker 1: those words are really archaic. Basically, I would say they

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Speaker 1: are two kinds of phenomena, and there may only be one,

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Speaker 1: but if functionally, there appear to be two. Nonlocal perception,

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Speaker 1: that is the ability to acquire information you ought not

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Speaker 1: to be able to know because you're shielded from it

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Speaker 1: by reason of time or space remote viewing. The other

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Speaker 1: is non local perturbation, the ability to hold intentioned focused

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Speaker 1: consciousness and affect another being, another organism or a chemical

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Speaker 1: or water or any all sorts of things. So clearly

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Speaker 1: these two phenomena, now we give them other names. In

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Speaker 1: the past we gave them other names. But basically it's

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Speaker 1: there's two basic things going on, acquiring information or perturbing

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Speaker 1: space time. When we tap into this Stephen, does it

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Speaker 1: make us better people? It makes us better people if

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Speaker 1: we actually listen to the experience we're having, Because what

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Speaker 1: is when you wake up to the idea that, for instance,

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Speaker 1: all consciousness is interconnected and interdependent. If you're asleep, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't do much except it's a phenomena.

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Speaker 1: But if you wake up to the implications of it,

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Speaker 1: then you realize you have a very different view of

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Speaker 1: reality because you understand that, for instance, things which do

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Speaker 1: not foster wellbeing not only hurt whatever it is with

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Speaker 1: plants or the sea life or whatever, but it also

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Speaker 1: hurts us because all consciousness is interconnected and interdependent. And

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Speaker 1: so when you begin to understand that, and you also

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Speaker 1: understand the continuity of consciousness, you recognize that you have

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Speaker 1: a responsibility to foster wellbeing. And that's what I care about.

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in political politics in a partisan sense,

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Speaker 1: just anthropologically. What I care about is fostering well being,

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Speaker 1: and I care about it in the sense that it

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Speaker 1: can be objectively measured and verified. Does it make us happier?

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Speaker 1: Does it make us healthier? Yes, it makes us both

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Speaker 1: happier and healthier because it changes the way you eat,

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Speaker 1: It changes the choices you make in your life, It

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Speaker 1: changes the way you think about other people. It's a

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Speaker 1: different way of looking at the world, and it really

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Speaker 1: makes you very perceptive of certain things, doesn't it. Yes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And in fact, if you look at religions George, and

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Speaker 1: you strip away the dogmas and the cultural aspects, you

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Speaker 1: know which God is it a man or a woman

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Speaker 1: or whatever, all that stuff, and you just look at

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Speaker 1: how religions begin. What you discover is that all religions

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Speaker 1: begin because a single individual has a non local consciousness experience.

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Speaker 1: Jesus goes to be baptized by John and then he

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Speaker 1: A Buddha goes to an ashram of a teacher and

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Speaker 1: he's taught how to meditate and he awakens. So it

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Speaker 1: all begins because one person has a nonlocal consciousness experience

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Speaker 1: and is sufficiently charismatic that people listen to what they're saying,

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Speaker 1: to open to nonlocal consciousness. Steven, this magnificence in the universe,

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Speaker 1: let's assume a divine power put it there for us,

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Speaker 1: think it tells you what Max Plunk told us in

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Speaker 1: him and he didn't give very many interviews, and they

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Speaker 1: said to him, you and Ienstein. You know you're the

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Speaker 1: father of quantum mechanics and Einstein relativitly, you guys are

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Speaker 1: the two most famous scientists in the world. What have

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Speaker 1: is that consciousness is fundamental. You cannot get behind consciousness

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Speaker 1: space time. This is the key arises from consciousness, not

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Speaker 1: consciousness from space. Time. Of everything you've done in this

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Speaker 1: field in your career, is there one thing out there,

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Speaker 1: stuff in that just has simply amazed you. Oh, I've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of things amazed me, George, But I

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Speaker 1: will tell you one thing that when you watch it,

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Speaker 1: and you can go to my personal website Stephane Schwortz

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Speaker 1: dot com, it's on your website and see it happen.

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Speaker 1: You take a man from Canada, a guy named George McMullen,

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Speaker 1: who an eighth grade education, He was a parts manager

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Speaker 1: at a Chrysler dealership up in Nanaimo, British Columbia upon

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Speaker 1: to find me in this area. This is about seventeen

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Speaker 1: you to find me a buried building, a particular are

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Speaker 1: you to locate it and describe how deep it will be.

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Speaker 1: And you watch this guy do it. He walks around

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Speaker 1: of empty desert that blew my mind. Last night. We

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Speaker 1: back thousands and thousands of years ago. I have to

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Speaker 1: did they know it because people experienced it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Cosomel Island, which we found they did it. The Kogi

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Speaker 1: for it. Truly remarkable. You had mentioned earlier Edgar Casey,

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Speaker 1: would be a document saying yes, you know, they would

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Speaker 1: he had a post Civil War, nineteenth century rural education.

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Speaker 1: and he said, you want to rub smoke oil on it,

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Speaker 1: And so they went back to his doctor and said,

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Speaker 1: He said, go on the second shell at the very battle,

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Speaker 1: and you will find this bottle. And there there it

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Speaker 1: is probably there for fifteen years longer than that. It

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Speaker 1: was his father's drug store that before, the previous owner,

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Speaker 1: and they rubbed it on his legs and his legs

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