Speaker 1: There are so many people who sit in first class
Speaker 1: that actually pay for those tickets.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who didn't get bumped up or who aren't.
Speaker 1: Like being flown on another person's dime. Oh a lot
Speaker 1: of people with real fucking money. And that's something that
Speaker 1: the people at home should probably know. Whenever you see
Speaker 1: celebrities sitting in first class.
Speaker 3: May pay for that shit.
Speaker 2: They said, we think about celebrities. That's how you think
Speaker 2: I don't need minor sense.
Speaker 1: I mean anybody with even like a modicum of of
Speaker 1: a suh. You're on TV sometimes like, we did not
Speaker 1: pay for those first class.
Speaker 2: Seats, So when you see them sitting, when you see us,
Speaker 2: I'll still sit in my ship.
Speaker 3: You trying to shame me, but I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't apologize when you see us sitting.
Speaker 4: I'm saying this, last time we were on a plane,
Speaker 4: one of us was in first class. Doesn't claim to
Speaker 4: be a celebrity. One of us had to get to
Speaker 4: the back, so I remember, That's all I'm saying. That's
Speaker 4: on the other side, that's the best time it ever
Speaker 4: felt for me sitting in your first class, because every
Speaker 4: other time I'd be.
Speaker 2: Hoping somebody I know, kids on the never never ever once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's sitting up way straighter, sitting up like this
Speaker 3: with your drake, before y'all even touched it with, before
Speaker 3: y'all even left.
Speaker 2: And on of the reason I was in first classes.
Speaker 4: It was like an hour flight, you remember, it was
Speaker 4: like Houston or Austin. Chips in your.
Speaker 5: Racist the.
Speaker 3: Money turn stuff.
Speaker 2: I can't tell me. Should we do botch you back?
Speaker 2: I want to love you?
Speaker 3: Should we do bomps you back?
Speaker 2: Computer love? Should we do bot you? But? I want
Speaker 2: to love you? Should we do bots you back? Computer love?
Speaker 2: There it is, ladies and gentlemen's little mamas and gentiles alike.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 4: It dives deep into the puckets of black conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: And we finally work to approve not a goddamn thing.
Speaker 1: We're not solving none of your problem.
Speaker 4: No ever answers here, and you know what, guess what
Speaker 4: we're trying. Yeah, that's the sad part. We love to
Speaker 4: be an advice podcast. We just stay got it. I'd
Speaker 4: love to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we've been telling people what to do and then
Speaker 1: afterwards me and David to look at each other and
Speaker 1: be like, we said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in the car, like that was dumb, That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Why would we tell them to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't even know that problem that they're going through. Really,
Speaker 2: I've never met them before in my life. I can't
Speaker 2: assess it. But here we are. I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: this a lot. I can tell you're excited. I want to.
Speaker 1: It's on my chest heavy I am. I am very
Speaker 1: excited to see what they do with the molestation in
Speaker 1: this Michael Jackson film. I'm really pumped about how they
Speaker 1: handle this.
Speaker 4: I just want everybody to know I said a thing
Speaker 4: about molestation earlier. I don't think as crazy is what
Speaker 4: you just said.
Speaker 3: This feels like the most reasonable way to feel. Yours
Speaker 3: was a crazy, huge, huge jump. Brother This is something
Speaker 3: that's based in This is based in fact. This film
Speaker 3: is happening the other there's a speculation about character in
Speaker 3: a movie that doesn't touch the subject at any time.
Speaker 1: Said no, they said that Little Boy, Brother Man all Right,
Speaker 1: Brothers does.
Speaker 2: Not have a follow up film, and it doesn't have
Speaker 2: a prelude involved that.
Speaker 1: They didn't address that once. They took a lot of
Speaker 1: dookies in front of each other. Certainly that was how
Speaker 1: they demonstrate brother.
Speaker 2: You know what brothers do.
Speaker 1: I always let my brother dookie while I shower. That's
Speaker 1: perfectly normal. These children were raised right. I returned to
Speaker 1: my premier continue. I am very excited to see what
Speaker 1: they do, because they either have they have two choices
Speaker 1: in front of them. They either address it poorly. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be They're either going to deal with this in
Speaker 1: a ship of a way, or they are not going
Speaker 1: to mention it at all. And both of those choices
Speaker 1: are so funny. I think that, man, I think they're
Speaker 1: not going to mention it. You think they're not even
Speaker 1: going to bring it up.
Speaker 4: So this is here's how I think of it. The
Speaker 4: estate signed off right, his nephew is playing him.
Speaker 3: It's Je's who dons whoa?
Speaker 2: I thought that was an Arab guy. No, I mean
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 1: TAPETI to another Arabian night. Jafar Jackson is a cold
Speaker 1: ass name. That's not even his worst the worst name, son.
Speaker 1: Your majesty is.
Speaker 2: The worst name.
Speaker 3: Son.
Speaker 2: What was the order on that? Your majesty is first? Okay?
Speaker 2: And then Jafar? Yeah, my boy?
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm in a theme now, but
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to hit that's.
Speaker 4: It feels hard to commit to letters for names for
Speaker 4: black people, specific.
Speaker 2: Letters, and then royalty based on your own name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really gets complicated because I bet Jafar is
Speaker 1: spelled a little bit like Jermaine.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I believe I bet he probably like tinkered.
Speaker 4: With love that you're you're the only one here with
Speaker 4: the kid, did you? Was there any want to do
Speaker 4: that a little bit? Absolutely not, And respect to you
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 1: I it weirds me out that my kids say my
Speaker 1: last name, they say your last name, meaning like their
Speaker 1: last name. They're like my kids identify with their last name,
Speaker 1: and I go.
Speaker 2: I thought you meant you made them call you mister
Speaker 2: k like daddy Kerkman. Look, I'm not an unreasonable man,
Speaker 2: but I like what I like.
Speaker 3: You know what I think they're gonna do with the Michael Jackson,
Speaker 3: You know what I I do think either they're gonna
Speaker 3: not touch it, or they're gonna do like a like
Speaker 3: a montage, like a montage like oh and then crazy
Speaker 3: stuff starting out and then maybe like a news reporter
Speaker 3: of being like false accusations level Michael jack Like they're
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna be in like a musical number where
Speaker 3: they're like they gloss over it, bro, They're just it's
Speaker 3: just him, like walking into court and then it goes
Speaker 3: immediately to you know, it's just like it's just a man.
Speaker 2: In the mirror. But not only the song. I'm the
Speaker 2: editor leave me alone.
Speaker 4: Whoa, I didn't touch those kids.
Speaker 1: That little white boy came on to me.
Speaker 2: Look at your skinny little chest. I want to suck
Speaker 2: on your not nipples, Michael, I can get away from you,
Speaker 2: white boy. I talk like this, Michael Jackson, I talk
Speaker 2: like this, man. I want to see it in theaters
Speaker 2: of getting my money. It feels like we have to write. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like we need I.
Speaker 3: Want to make an event out of it. In l A.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna get high boy. I would like I
Speaker 2: would like to do that with all of my friends.
Speaker 4: Because like the music is gonna get you. Of course
Speaker 4: in the end, of course it's gonna make you. Because
Speaker 4: it's so good.
Speaker 1: Bro that the trailer ain't nothing but his songs, and
Speaker 1: we all just went, damn, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be that.
Speaker 6: We didn't see the boy act once there's no from
Speaker 6: different country, which is good at that's true.
Speaker 2: British guys go crazy guys, British. No, I just didn't.
Speaker 4: I just just like I didn't know about the I
Speaker 4: didn't know about the the lineage.
Speaker 3: Why is it far Jackson?
Speaker 2: They gave him a prosthetic nose and and are they good?
Speaker 2: Are they covering dark skin? Mic at all? I think
Speaker 2: that is about as the dark as we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Get to me. If you're gonna do this movie, it's like,
Speaker 3: why don't we just why don't we just see him
Speaker 3: in his early years? Why don't we just do Jackson
Speaker 3: five to like thriller and then you never have to
Speaker 3: touch and I'm sorry again, no pun intended, But then
Speaker 3: you never.
Speaker 2: Have to.
Speaker 3: Then you never have to touch the nasty stuff, bro.
Speaker 4: But because as a film you don't want to know
Speaker 4: what the fuck was going on during Dangerous Yes, that's
Speaker 4: all I want to.
Speaker 2: Know all his complicated years. Why did you write a
Speaker 2: song called Liberian Girl?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I know that one? Liberian Gup,
Speaker 2: it's not good.
Speaker 3: You came in, you changed, just like a move.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Also, keep it in the closet.
Speaker 4: Felt like he was saying something, Well, have you seen
Speaker 4: in that video where he's like dancing on Miami Campbell's.
Speaker 2: He's not in it. We've talked about it a lot
Speaker 2: on this podcast.
Speaker 1: It is the most ambitious he's ever been sexually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretending to like a lady in a video, for sure.
Speaker 2: He picked the baddest bitch on the.
Speaker 1: Planet, put her in black and white, made her naked
Speaker 1: like truly, that was the most naked I had seen
Speaker 1: a woman. I think up to that point in my life.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I lived by woods.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that I hadn't, but like where I
Speaker 1: could just watch it not not be doing something naughty nefarious,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I had to.
Speaker 1: That was that was the most publicly openly naked woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he just couldn't prove it to us that
Speaker 1: he liked that.
Speaker 3: It's a real bummer. Yeah, he tried.
Speaker 2: He gave it a shot.
Speaker 1: Our guest today, we haven't seen him try to fuck yet.
Speaker 2: We're excited. We're excited. You're in a brand new era
Speaker 2: of your life, transition, ascending beyond beyond the point that
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge opportunity for you to
Speaker 1: get naked and full a bad bitch on camera.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm inspired, you know what I'm saying. I've
Speaker 3: seen the work that you've put forth, what you put
Speaker 3: in strokes on camera. I've gotten to see Reggie Conquest
Speaker 3: put in camera. Did not get that part was between.
Speaker 2: You and of course.
Speaker 3: You, Reggie Jamel Johnson, Yeah, was underground back you would
Speaker 3: have took that, brother. I can't wait to see man
Speaker 3: giving back shots to.
Speaker 2: The idea of a fully naked Mandle just putting strokes
Speaker 2: giving it man, that would have been cool. We need that.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful future that we could all look for.
Speaker 3: I hope to following y'all footsteps. That's sad, but I
Speaker 3: think you could do it. I think it's coming for
Speaker 3: all of us. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 3: don't really see niggas fucking on TV that much. That
Speaker 3: show had a lot of fucking. It was the most
Speaker 3: I think I've seen black people on TV. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: don't get a lot of that. They don't want to see.
Speaker 3: They don't want to see that.
Speaker 4: Do you know what they used to fuck on? Actually,
Speaker 4: you guys remember soul Food on Showtime?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did a lot for me. Yeah, they you
Speaker 1: could count on it almost episode.
Speaker 4: The problem was you had to get to a house
Speaker 4: at that showtime and then you had to be alone.
Speaker 2: That's and that's asking a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta wait for everybody. You gotta hope they
Speaker 3: got a certain cable package, and then everybody gotta go
Speaker 3: to sleep, and you gotta go in the other room.
Speaker 2: You gotta they gotta trust you with their hole. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was like twelve.
Speaker 1: I just mean that, Like there was never a time
Speaker 1: where like a person came over and I just left
Speaker 1: them alone in a room.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I mean, like you were
Speaker 2: you're kind of you're here. I'm gonna why entertain my parents?
Speaker 4: My mom went out a lot, so it would be
Speaker 4: like all the kids at the house and everybody went out,
Speaker 4: then it's the lord of the flies in there.
Speaker 3: Sure for sure, there's no rules that no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we got fireworks out.
Speaker 2: Did you guys are touching parents guns? Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 4: Isn't it crazy how much that happened, Like they really
Speaker 4: played it up to I remember, like they're being PSAs
Speaker 4: and stuff in the nineties, but like that should probably
Speaker 4: happened to me ten.
Speaker 2: Times where somebody pulled out their parents goun yeah, probably
Speaker 2: probably for real. Tis. I knew a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I'm from Texas, so it's like I knew people who
Speaker 3: had Like Mahomie, his dad was on the swat team,
Speaker 3: so we had like a hit a gun safe and
Speaker 3: we wouldn't fuck we wouldn't because we always were scared
Speaker 3: that if we moved him he would know. We would
Speaker 3: just like yeah, exactly like but we always to open
Speaker 3: up the safe and just be like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of a lot of guns.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I once, I think only once for me, that's that
Speaker 1: a kid pulled out their parents.
Speaker 2: Their parents.
Speaker 3: It was less gun ship for me and more like
Speaker 3: uh one one nigga had like a porn DVD and
Speaker 3: then he's put you know what I'm saying, Remember that
Speaker 3: feels really you know, put on the on the big screen.
Speaker 3: But then it's like everybody's just sitting around. You're just
Speaker 3: hard but you're not doing nothing. Everybody's just like you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, there's no way to address that.
Speaker 3: I think it's more wholesome than what they got going
Speaker 3: on now.
Speaker 1: Though the r Kelly tape got pulled out a bunch
Speaker 1: on me from Chicago.
Speaker 2: Chicago.
Speaker 4: Damn, yeah, a crazy thing. You just said, Yeah, damn
Speaker 4: that sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like I didn't. I was good, y'all,
Speaker 3: I don't really want to have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at.
Speaker 1: The time it wasn't because we didn't have the capacities
Speaker 1: to right that, you know what I mean. Like I
Speaker 1: knew deep down in my soul there was something not
Speaker 1: good about this, but I didn't have the capacity to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, y'all stop this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wa, brother, this is dangerous what we're committing to.
Speaker 2: Of course you talking about it in the hall, but
Speaker 2: town you're from.
Speaker 3: Kelly my homies mahomies from Chicago, and he talks about
Speaker 3: like growing up, everybody just knew where R. Kelly would
Speaker 3: be at, and so like his sister just wasn't allowed
Speaker 3: to go to the rock and roll McDonald's.
Speaker 2: That was like a big thing.
Speaker 3: It was like that's where R Kelly used to kill
Speaker 3: it an don't be at the rock and roll McDonald's.
Speaker 2: It's like a very it's like a.
Speaker 3: Very known thing in their family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that he had spots.
Speaker 1: Most of them were high schools and were lad where
Speaker 1: children hung out and that everybody knew that.
Speaker 2: I go crazy. Ye shout out, baby, love you. Our
Speaker 2: guests today we set up and introduced him. We still
Speaker 2: haven't even finished his intro.
Speaker 1: I tried to do a charming thing of him having sex,
Speaker 1: and then it turned into us talking about how bad
Speaker 1: my city is, and I don't agree with them. I
Speaker 1: think it's a beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I wish I could raise my children in that violence
Speaker 1: right now. I miss it every day. That said our
Speaker 1: guest today, he's wonderful.
Speaker 2: You know him from ESML. You know him from his.
Speaker 1: Brand new special on Hulu that you can watch. God
Speaker 1: damn see funny A dear friend. Give it up for
Speaker 1: Devin Walker. Everybody.
Speaker 7: Look, if you hate cops just because of cops, the
Speaker 7: next time you get in trouble, call a crackhead.
Speaker 2: Beautiful. What's up? Yeah? Shut shutdowns over, happy to be.
Speaker 2: It is crazy.
Speaker 3: We've fully gotten into We've gotten to what happens to
Speaker 3: boys and group homes and Michael Jackson and r Kelly.
Speaker 2: It's only been like fifteen minutes. No, it's been a
Speaker 2: whirl win.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think it's crazy that we do this and
Speaker 4: expect for some people to give us money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: That's really weird.
Speaker 4: We're really putting filth out there. Yeah, hoping to get
Speaker 4: gold back. We're going okay, so yeah.
Speaker 2: No, we're we're not.
Speaker 3: We're not.
Speaker 4: We're not in the red shut out to all the
Speaker 4: new people. Don Lemon, maybe don't watch this one. Is
Speaker 4: Don Lemon a fan?
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can call them man, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: he's like he's liked a video, okay, and he's aware
Speaker 3: that he's aware.
Speaker 2: Don Lemon shut up for real. I won't even go crazy.
Speaker 2: We'll be respectfu. We'll be yeah. Yeah, yeah, we know
Speaker 2: that you have your own news channel. Is that what
Speaker 2: he's doing now? He got his own joint? Is it
Speaker 2: weather or actual news? Nah?
Speaker 1: I think he's like doing like he's like dealing with issues.
Speaker 1: But Don Lemon's style, Yeah, I think we need maybe
Speaker 1: less news. Yeah, I would say so. I would say
Speaker 1: if the if the news decides you're not cut out
Speaker 1: for the news, you should stop being allowed to do news.
Speaker 2: You just shouldn't.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be allowed to do solo news. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: can't be That's all social media is, though. I know
Speaker 3: it's just people doing solo news which way you think
Speaker 3: about it? That way is pretty hilarious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people being like I gotta report this, Like you
Speaker 4: know how much of my newsfeed was just other people
Speaker 4: talking about Max bbing home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I felt like I got out, like right.
Speaker 3: It was everybody's celebrating in a way that makes you
Speaker 3: feel like, hey, these are my these are my people.
Speaker 4: And I'm seeing the same thing from different angles. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's like I'm there, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, different angles. I saw him hug french Montana,
Speaker 4: and I was like, by the third or fourth one,
Speaker 4: You're like, this is beautiful.
Speaker 3: Forgive my forgive my ignorance. Why are they so close?
Speaker 3: They were rapping together, and I think they came up together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know french Montana's origins very well.
Speaker 3: I know Max b.
Speaker 2: I think it's to Aladdin.
Speaker 8: Yah.
Speaker 2: He was st he was stealing bread for him and
Speaker 2: his monkey.
Speaker 1: Just and then Puffed Daddy saw him and he said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute.
Speaker 2: He's gonna marry the princess. Whoa bro, french Montana, He's
Speaker 2: one of the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like, if life is about distance traveled, he
Speaker 4: he went from coke boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coke boys.
Speaker 3: What's also like, I think he has a really beautiful
Speaker 3: career because he is one of those artists who, like
Speaker 3: you're you never think about French Montana, but like when
Speaker 3: you do think about like the hits that he has,
Speaker 3: they're so mega, they're so monstrous, you you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. He's like very rich and successful, but like
Speaker 3: also very out the way. Yeah, it feels like he's
Speaker 3: not running a race against like other artists. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: he makes songs for like Mountain Dew commercials, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and like big radio hits with like
Speaker 3: Swalen like stuff for like the Spider Man soundtrack, and
Speaker 3: then he married a prince and then he's just over here.
Speaker 2: He's ship where he went to Uganda. That song so good,
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting. He figured out a way to make it
Speaker 2: so really he way to make flo Riders still cool? Whoa, whoa?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like Flow Rider was like, I don't I don't care
Speaker 1: if you think I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: I am making this boy rich. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Whenever you whenever you got songs they play
Speaker 3: a sea world yo.
Speaker 4: Ship going is although I think Sea World's kind letting
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: In this series. That's exactly who's about to be made.
Speaker 3: I made my plea before.
Speaker 1: I really think they're trying to convince us that slavery
Speaker 1: is okay against I really think they're trying to tell us, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we're because they're getting you to They want you to
Speaker 1: be okay with what's going on with those whales so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's too they're too desperate for that. And if they
Speaker 1: do that with whales, they're gonna do it to us.
Speaker 1: I promise you they will do the same ship they
Speaker 1: do to whales to us.
Speaker 2: Is about to be humped over bro not as their us. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like the titles really turned on Sea World though, right,
Speaker 3: I feel like people are not really I feel like
Speaker 3: that's why they're having to have like Young Jock come.
Speaker 3: I think that's because everybody. I feel like at this
Speaker 3: point it's kind of like, well, we can't be over there.
Speaker 4: I love the man. If Young Jock is coming to
Speaker 4: your event, it's because the titles turned at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Young Jock came to my college, so
Speaker 3: I probably didn't go to a very good school.
Speaker 2: You did not know that's why wuge university year? Did
Speaker 2: you graduate twenty fourteen? Yep, that's too late. That's what
Speaker 2: he came out with. The hair absolutely, yeah, yeah weird.
Speaker 3: And it's like that's like if you go to like
Speaker 3: a good university, because it's like I feel like other
Speaker 3: kids who went to like cool private schools, they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: like Tam and Paula came and played at my at
Speaker 3: my at my college, and I'd be like, oh no,
Speaker 3: we just we got young Jock.
Speaker 2: We got a little scrappy. Yeah, we had we had
Speaker 2: Janelle Monet when she was still a robot. You were
Speaker 2: on some like innovative, went to like Dartmouth and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we got her early when it was like
Speaker 1: a theater where she was still crowdsurfing and adding people
Speaker 1: touch her and this ship.
Speaker 2: Whoa there, y'all.
Speaker 3: That's said anybody university, quite a few. We were just
Speaker 3: happy to have somebody there, Okay, right what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was like there was just like young Jock next
Speaker 2: week Jamie Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Jamie Kennedy followed me at one point on Instagram, and
Speaker 3: then I went back and looked like a month later
Speaker 3: and he unfollowed me.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Kennedy followed me on tour for three stops once
Speaker 4: whoa three stops in a row, same venue. Jamie No,
Speaker 4: like he was he was either coming or had been
Speaker 4: what at the venue I played?
Speaker 2: And it was hard for me to understand where I
Speaker 2: was in my career, like my.
Speaker 3: Up or is he down?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Now that's a bummer. That's a hard one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was tough. It's it's you know, I think where
Speaker 2: I landed. Yeah, I can imagine. It is one of
Speaker 2: those where you want to maybe you're on a flyer
Speaker 2: with Jamie Kennedy once in your lifetime and you go
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, you know sometimes you're going to cross
Speaker 2: the paths. Yeah, but you don't want it to be
Speaker 2: re stops. Yeah, that's where you start going, all right.
Speaker 2: Uh now I'm starting to worry. Yeah, yeah, I'm starting
Speaker 2: to starting to feel like maybe I gotta have a
Speaker 2: conversation with somebody.
Speaker 4: Maybe I got to get back to Delta our straight.
Speaker 3: Devin, you you came to us, and we should maybe
Speaker 3: take a break before we probably should. I think we've
Speaker 3: we've we've talked.
Speaker 2: So long, yeah, and and so thoroughly.
Speaker 1: I think it's been a thorough conversation that that we
Speaker 1: will start with the break and then we're going to
Speaker 1: get into your conspiracy because it's a it's an exciting one.
Speaker 2: It is. It's really good. I'm excited. We're we're gonna
Speaker 2: have some more fun more Devin Walker more.
Speaker 7: My mama told me, Yeah, Jeff Bezos came, Bill Gates came,
Speaker 7: Mark Zuckerberg came, many of them came numerous times. The
Speaker 7: bankers have all come.
Speaker 4: Everybody's coming, and you're coming back to this podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to my mom and told me, you know,
Speaker 2: every once in a while, I forget what's on there,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, things that get sent over that we go, hey,
Speaker 3: we should make this a drop or somebody sends it
Speaker 3: to us and thank you all.
Speaker 1: A lot of people send us drops, and we're not
Speaker 1: always good. I especially am not always good about thanking
Speaker 1: you for the contributions you're making. But man, are you
Speaker 1: adding to the texture of this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it's good to have emails. We truly appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just good to be able to look through
Speaker 4: your emails and have some new shit.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: A lot of influencer deals We're not going to do
Speaker 4: no for like new energy drinks and protein powders.
Speaker 2: And whatnot for or socks compression socks. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And they always you ever noticed when they try to
Speaker 4: send us brand deals, it's always they say me or you.
Speaker 4: It's never both, never both. It's always like, hey, Langston,
Speaker 4: enjoyed your pod your I'm here with a great opportunity.
Speaker 4: And it always is a rude association. It'll be like
Speaker 4: for him, it'll be like something mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. It always it's mean whenever they're
Speaker 2: like at it. But they're like, David, this is for
Speaker 2: you and you owe me.
Speaker 4: And it's like, do you need to exercise your cagles,
Speaker 4: share with your fans?
Speaker 3: Are you losing roles to Reggie Conquest? And you're trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what the next step is, David? What
Speaker 3: if gas station pills could be a prescription? What if
Speaker 3: the Dick pills you had to ask.
Speaker 2: Your doctor for them? Bro? You know, what's what to
Speaker 2: the one that we got that I actually filled out.
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna get picked for the Prada
Speaker 4: the Prada Colone.
Speaker 2: Did they send it to your house? No?
Speaker 3: They emailed me to ask if I wanted it, What
Speaker 3: did you say? I haven't responded yet. Hey, you don't
Speaker 3: want the along the product, just flip it, ok, yeahs
Speaker 3: to be disappointed.
Speaker 2: I filled it out. But I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna send.
Speaker 1: I'll think however they tell me to. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck.
Speaker 3: We just want some free ship. Yeah that's if you know.
Speaker 3: I need to hit them back. Yeah, you got it, bro,
Speaker 3: get get everything you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm bad about emails in general and text messages. And Devin,
Speaker 3: you came to us with a conspiracy that we haven't addressed.
Speaker 2: And it's been an hour. Probably not, but it's close
Speaker 2: to it. But you said, my mama told me black
Speaker 2: people shouldn't be diagnosed with a d D or autism
Speaker 2: or it'll ruin their academic future. Incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this was the thing. I wish
Speaker 3: I would have ordered it better. But this is the
Speaker 3: thing that my dad used to tell me all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my dad was really afraid that like if I got
Speaker 3: like I definitely had ADHD, I definitely like needed to
Speaker 3: get medicated for it. I just I couldn't focus for shit,
Speaker 3: especially like I couldn't do anything like at school, Like
Speaker 3: if there was a thing where it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: I finished this worksheet at school right now, I couldn't
Speaker 3: do it. I had to go home and just like
Speaker 3: be in a place where it was quiet because I
Speaker 3: would just be talking and like doing shit.
Speaker 2: Well, school was fun if you're cool, you know what.
Speaker 2: I knew everybody.
Speaker 3: I was cool with everybody in the class, and so
Speaker 3: I was like talking to like fucking around and shit
Speaker 3: like that. I really wanted to get like, you know,
Speaker 3: I really was like, Dad, I probably need something, and
Speaker 3: he was just like nah, He's like, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: You do that, they're gonna put you in the class
Speaker 3: over there, and then once you went to class over there,
Speaker 3: you're not going to college.
Speaker 2: This yeah, this is a really.
Speaker 3: And it's also like my dad's also like a child,
Speaker 3: like he was a kid in the sixties. Like my
Speaker 3: dad was an older dad. She's in the sixties from
Speaker 3: the sixties. That is actually what was happening.
Speaker 4: I'd say seventies, eighties and nineties that kids who got
Speaker 4: bandaged to fucking the portables.
Speaker 2: Bro the extra.
Speaker 1: For us, it was a fourth floor, but it was
Speaker 1: really like a floor three and a half where it
Speaker 1: wasn't even a full extra floor. It just had one
Speaker 1: entrance and one exit.
Speaker 2: We know they struggle with numbers and.
Speaker 1: They so they had to go all the way upstairs
Speaker 1: to the back. Every day they went to the back,
Speaker 1: and then they had a separate little set of stairs
Speaker 1: that led to like three separate classrooms and everybody with
Speaker 1: any version of a learning disability was lumped together into that.
Speaker 1: And that feels crazy.
Speaker 2: It's nuts.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's like, how does that not ruin the kid?
Speaker 2: There's no chance that you get out of that and
Speaker 2: go to any ivy League school whatever for.
Speaker 4: The fuck because they're separating you in a way where
Speaker 4: it's not like, oh, I'm differently abled, which I do
Speaker 4: think is a decent is like a good They're like,
Speaker 4: you're stupid.
Speaker 2: This is where it's stupid. It's stupid in here.
Speaker 1: Bro, you're hopeless. We plan to keep you that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh wow, see I kind of came on here
Speaker 2: ready to be like, man, my dad was being crazy.
Speaker 3: I was like, I should have should have gave me Andy'
Speaker 3: were like, no, nigga, do well, I don't go over.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're they're gonna put you on the
Speaker 2: fourth floor. No lists could be true, can be true.
Speaker 4: I don't think that we grew up in the tail
Speaker 4: end of that because we're just a couple of years
Speaker 4: older than you. I think we grew up kind of
Speaker 4: in the tail end of that. I think that like
Speaker 4: as we were towards high school age, it was getting better.
Speaker 4: But I think, like your dad's age, I think he's
Speaker 4: terrible over there.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he saw that, right, I'm sure, like did
Speaker 2: he do? You tell you?
Speaker 3: He's like, no, that happened. That's what he would always say.
Speaker 3: But he used to my dad, you know black dad.
Speaker 3: It's like my dad, Yeah, I know, we know. We
Speaker 3: also realizing who I'm okay, we both know about I'm
Speaker 3: saying black dad.
Speaker 2: We know about you know about black dad.
Speaker 3: That's I realized in the moment that we both have
Speaker 3: plenty of experience with black fathers. I've had a few
Speaker 3: black uh step dads.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, and only one of them during any
Speaker 2: formative years.
Speaker 1: The rest of them, I was a grown ass man.
Speaker 2: That's probably the worst step dad. Huh. It's it's not
Speaker 2: a stepdad anymore. It's just a man who's that's just my.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I like that you made it sweet.
Speaker 2: That was good, you were about to take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I sweetness in my mind for these men.
Speaker 2: Sure, I feel nothing for them.
Speaker 3: Who dated your mom? Who's beenning the bull? Was that
Speaker 3: a black man married my mom married black man?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He uh married the second longest of my mom's four marriages.
Speaker 2: Fo. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she ain't she ain't done. I respect her,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think she's retired. I think that
Speaker 3: from the marriage, though.
Speaker 1: I think that her situation is complicated enough where she
Speaker 1: may never get married again. But I don't think that. Instinctually,
Speaker 1: she goes like, whoa for it's crazy, I'm at my limit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, man, I kind of like a shoot or shoot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's romantic to me, and that is
Speaker 2: her position as well. She was like, nah, I love love,
Speaker 2: I fall fast. I will not apologize for that. I
Speaker 2: think that's brave. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think it's probably done to damage to you.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, that's correct. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say that's two things can be.
Speaker 3: We can both my Legston's mother's commitment to finding partnership
Speaker 3: and love at all costs, and we can also acknowledge.
Speaker 2: There is no life is complicated. There is no person
Speaker 2: on the planet.
Speaker 1: I admire more for their willingness to experiment with with
Speaker 1: their life. Do you know what I mean, to look
Speaker 1: at their situation and go I would like to try
Speaker 1: something else and truly be able to commit to it
Speaker 1: full throttle. I think my mom's like instincts and bravery
Speaker 1: in that way are admirable. She she will always have
Speaker 1: my heart in that way, and I think that her
Speaker 1: decision making could use some work word.
Speaker 4: But like even you ignowledge you witnessing that led to
Speaker 4: a bravery of your own. I think it was gonna
Speaker 4: get a master's in poetry. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: That's like a that's like a that's like that's a you.
Speaker 4: And you went to like a real school that wasn't
Speaker 4: even like community college, right yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Like no reason to end up in comedy.
Speaker 1: I had figured out a functional life beyond ed, you know,
Speaker 1: and beyond like my own education. And I do think
Speaker 1: without a parent, both of my parents in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways being the type of people that are like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, this is what I want to do, I
Speaker 1: would not have ended up this way. They truly taught
Speaker 1: me how to be like, no, live a life there
Speaker 1: there is nothing else but you going to exist. And
Speaker 1: if you don't commit to that, then you're not committing
Speaker 1: to anything. I will cherish it always. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the choices. Let's just focus on we can we can
Speaker 1: harness this strength?
Speaker 2: Sure, we can. We can be free together.
Speaker 4: I think that sometimes you wonder though, It's like can
Speaker 4: your parents harn it? They got what they got, and
Speaker 4: then it's just just up to you to harness it
Speaker 4: a little more. And the next one's gonna harness a
Speaker 4: little boy, you know what I mean? And then like
Speaker 4: three generations, now you got Now you got a goku.
Speaker 2: That sucks that.
Speaker 3: It's gonna take three generations for rest end up at
Speaker 3: go who's a man's Goku's pretty good?
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Why people don't ever get you know
Speaker 2: how many families got no Goku's of them? Yeah? Most
Speaker 2: of them? A bunch of cheese. All right?
Speaker 4: This was as good as I could do with anime.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to relate to my friend, and I think
Speaker 4: I did a pretty good job.
Speaker 2: Do you do you have the thing whereas you're not
Speaker 2: an animate guy? No?
Speaker 4: I watched Dragon Ball as a little kid. And then
Speaker 4: I watched Dragon ball Z Dragon cartoon Net.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he is a little boy and he wraps
Speaker 2: be careful. Is that not what?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Let's and again you're being nasty. You're being nasty.
Speaker 3: How about being nasty if he's a little boy with.
Speaker 1: A monkey tail and I'm saying, relax, crazy, you're being crazy.
Speaker 2: Stop what you're doing. Which part is bad?
Speaker 1: That trying to stop you and you keep saying it,
Speaker 1: You're being nasty.
Speaker 2: He's not a monkey, he's a saying. He comes from
Speaker 2: a different plane.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what is the tail?
Speaker 2: Is the tail is their ship. That's the saying tale.
Speaker 5: They all got people, they all got they all got tailed.
Speaker 5: There's so much he's a monkey hens he turns into
Speaker 5: a monkey, and he.
Speaker 1: Turns into an eight, which is a form of monkey. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're being you guys are being crazy.
Speaker 7: Show.
Speaker 2: Let me be clear.
Speaker 1: In the show, the main villain of the show goes
Speaker 1: by the name of Freezer. Freezing is a a galaxy
Speaker 1: dominating force, the strongest mother fucker to ever exist, who
Speaker 1: destroyed the Saying planet because the threat that they represented
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: He didn't like how strong these motherfus he blew the
Speaker 2: ship up, and all he does is call them monkeys.
Speaker 2: It's like it's an allegory for racism and sort of
Speaker 2: the violence against the people.
Speaker 8: I would say, well, we didn't call you a monkey,
Speaker 8: behave as such. Okay, that's what it is. What it is,
Speaker 8: that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And my family, Okay, okay, now I understand, I understand, okay.
Speaker 2: Right now. But I'm gonna come back strong thousand.
Speaker 3: It is if it is, if it is an allegory
Speaker 3: for racism, I will say, it is like as as
Speaker 3: much as like as much racism has been hurled that
Speaker 3: black people forever, I will say, if if we actually
Speaker 3: had some of the same stuff that a monkey.
Speaker 2: Had, if we had.
Speaker 3: Watch but you are going but all I'm saying is
Speaker 3: like if we if we if we had this, and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh yeah, you guys kind of have the
Speaker 3: same stuff going on. I do, Like I see, like
Speaker 3: it's in the way that it's been thrown at black
Speaker 3: people is obviously racist and fucked and unfair and like unkind.
Speaker 3: But but like I get, I get how that association
Speaker 3: could be made if you have the exact same appenditure.
Speaker 2: I'd ask you to stop tooting your butt up in
Speaker 2: our podcast, and I see maybe our most complicated episode yet.
Speaker 1: I'd ask you all to behave for some reason. Sure,
Speaker 1: I understand that you are ignorant to the dragon Ball universe.
Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of dragon Ball.
Speaker 1: Actually, the fact that it's just a lot means that
Speaker 1: you ain't really with the ship.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's watched it all. Yeah, I've seen. I mean
Speaker 2: I grew up during the time the Dead Zone, and
Speaker 2: there ain't a one I ain't caught. I had the
Speaker 2: video game, I had the one on pscan They not good?
Speaker 2: But it was like I got that in Barbara to
Speaker 2: or No Barbara was that like much?
Speaker 3: I got that in Barbershop the DVD for like my
Speaker 3: sixth grade birthday, for like my twelfth birthday, I got
Speaker 3: Dragon No I was. I was, Yeah, that's doing crazy.
Speaker 2: I was doing good. Fuck yeah, Barbershop really hit like
Speaker 2: a wave. It's crazy. I will see you're from Chicago.
Speaker 2: Do you guys love barbershop as much as everybody else?
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's part of the Chicago lord,
Speaker 3: is that we we feel deeply connected to the Barbershop franchise.
Speaker 2: It was not.
Speaker 1: And Joelle if you disagree, I'd love for you to
Speaker 1: chime in. It wasn't at all a part of They
Speaker 1: didn't They weren't tracking Chicago when they made that movie.
Speaker 1: They shot it there, but they weren't like being like
Speaker 1: we gotta be respectful of like all of what Chicago represents.
Speaker 2: We're going on to the gangs and the counselor you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean. Like it was just like, it's Chicago.
Speaker 2: It just happened to be there.
Speaker 1: It was ice Cube's interpretation of Chicago.
Speaker 2: And so in that way, whoa, that's better than young job.
Speaker 2: That is better than young job at.
Speaker 3: Your dad?
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm just trying to get us right wherever we were.
Speaker 2: Your dad sort of threatening you, warning you that that
Speaker 2: you should not take this medication to me, does feel complicated.
Speaker 1: That's where I do worry that. Like, while I do
Speaker 1: agree with the sentiment of like now I was crazy
Speaker 1: how we treated you know, differently able children, in some
Speaker 1: ways it does feel like, fuck, hey man, you gotta
Speaker 1: give people the help that they need, regardless of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the world is going to.
Speaker 2: Put on them.
Speaker 4: It's a difficult thing because it's like now he's perpetuating
Speaker 4: the third and a half floor. Yeah, but it's like
Speaker 4: that is such a tough That is such a tough
Speaker 4: thing to wonder how you could get a parent to
Speaker 4: trust in that when his his own personal experience is
Speaker 4: so visceral and he's on the point of like he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm for real trying, you're my son. I just don't
Speaker 4: want you to get iced out of the future, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like, do you think in like
Speaker 4: post high school, do you think your dad is softening dependent?
Speaker 4: Like do you say dad, I have ADHD now h No?
Speaker 2: I mean what if this is you coming out to
Speaker 2: your dad?
Speaker 3: Dad?
Speaker 2: My dad? You know my dad.
Speaker 3: My dad has softened in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 3: I do feel like he's also still just like he's
Speaker 3: from where he's from and he's from the time that
Speaker 3: he's from. Yeah, I had a pair of pink sneakers
Speaker 3: and my dad was like, son, I know you're bisexual.
Speaker 2: So it's so funny. So it's like, I just.
Speaker 3: Don't know if we can get there on like a
Speaker 3: mental diagnosis level. That's just not well. What was the
Speaker 3: tone though, was he mad or was he like, hey,
Speaker 3: he was very excepting. My dad has thought my dad's
Speaker 3: thought I was gay? Many times.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's much be hard for you because you're so tall.
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like if your son's as tall
Speaker 4: as he does, sure and you were athletic, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: but maybe probably he was like he was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, you think Magic Johnson is having the
Speaker 3: hardest time.
Speaker 2: I think he. I think he didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2: EJ is big, huge, that's a big motherfucker. I mean
Speaker 2: it's son of Magic, too large for his position.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's he's arguably one of the biggest that's
Speaker 3: ever played that position.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's they wanted him to be a big The point
Speaker 4: is it was your dad like pink sneakers, I love you,
Speaker 4: welcome home.
Speaker 3: It was not It was not hatred. But it's like
Speaker 3: there's a there's a Okay, can we uh let's let's
Speaker 3: draw the path of my father's uh the homophobia.
Speaker 2: Okay, So like first, all right, the first memory I have.
Speaker 3: Of it is when I was really little, when I
Speaker 3: was like in preschool, we had like a at the
Speaker 3: daycare I went to, they had like a like a
Speaker 3: cooking set, like a kitchen set where you could like
Speaker 3: put like little fake eggs on the stove, and like,
Speaker 3: I really liked it a lot, So I asked for
Speaker 3: one for Christmas, for a kitchen set. Yeah, for a
Speaker 3: little kitchen set, because I liked it at daycare. I'm
Speaker 3: probably five four or five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah this one. I'm super little. This is what's
Speaker 2: men provided for you.
Speaker 3: You enjoy it? Yeah, I would like to replicate that feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let me everybody get on for the house, little fake
Speaker 3: orange juice. Like I want to cook, like y'all cook,
Speaker 3: like dot it up. I remember that Christmas, I got
Speaker 3: a barbecue grill. I got like a fake barbecue.
Speaker 2: You got a real grill.
Speaker 1: Cook, No, you're gonna go out cook, put some steak
Speaker 1: on the grill, like.
Speaker 2: We used charcoal in his house. Ain't gonna be no
Speaker 2: pro paane tank.
Speaker 3: And like I liked my fake grill, Like I really
Speaker 3: did enjoy it. But I was like, oh, this is different,
Speaker 3: but I guess like it's I'm still fake cooking shit, right.
Speaker 3: And then I talked to my mom later on down
Speaker 3: the line, and she was basically like, yeah, your dad
Speaker 3: thought like a cooking set was gay. He thought a
Speaker 3: cooking set was gay, so like he was like a
Speaker 3: man grills and so like you can fake grill to
Speaker 3: prepare you for like what you'll actually do.
Speaker 2: Who as an adult.
Speaker 1: He was he was bottom of the barrel homophobic at
Speaker 1: one point. And you're saying the transition has now made
Speaker 1: it so that he can see you in pink sneakers
Speaker 1: and laying on bisexual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just be like something like I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: like he'd seen me date women. Yeah, so he knows
Speaker 3: what he's like.
Speaker 2: Thank God, you at least have a taste for pussy.
Speaker 1: You don't got to eat it every day, that's fine,
Speaker 1: shut but diverse, you need to. But it's supposed to
Speaker 1: get thrown that you ain't going around from it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can live with this. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's it was that, and then it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: the one time I was I was at my I
Speaker 3: was at my house with this like other kid named
Speaker 3: Jonathan I used to do karate with, and we were
Speaker 3: like truly, we were.
Speaker 2: Sitting on the same couch.
Speaker 3: We're sitting on the same couch, but like we had
Speaker 3: a big blanket and the blanket was like over the
Speaker 3: whole couch. It was like a sectional couch. I'm on
Speaker 3: this side of the couch. Other kids, you're.
Speaker 2: Black in the early we know it was a sectional yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Couch.
Speaker 3: They went all the way around and I remember my
Speaker 3: dad coming out seeing we just two boys under the
Speaker 3: same blanket.
Speaker 2: My deals. He took the ship.
Speaker 3: Off and he was like, you're not about to be
Speaker 3: you don't need to be underneath the blank like so
Speaker 3: that's so, that's five is the grill that happens at
Speaker 3: like I'm probably like ten.
Speaker 2: At that point he.
Speaker 3: Snatched the blank He's like, why boy, y'all boys don't
Speaker 3: need to be under the blanket.
Speaker 2: Your legs ain't cold.
Speaker 3: When when I'm eighteen, I come home from college and
Speaker 3: my homie like really likes to cook and he had
Speaker 3: like really.
Speaker 2: All over and that's why I get it.
Speaker 3: My homie really likes to cook. He was like, yo,
Speaker 3: he was like I just made I just figured out
Speaker 3: this lasagna. He was like, he was like, can I
Speaker 3: come over and make it? So my homie made lasagna
Speaker 3: at my house and my dad this is I'm a
Speaker 3: freshman in college. Yeah, my dad found out that my
Speaker 3: homie made lasagna at the house and he sat me down.
Speaker 3: He was like, son, if there's ever anything you need
Speaker 3: to talk to me about whoa if you want to
Speaker 3: He was like, you got niggas over here making pasta dishes.
Speaker 3: He got niggas over here making pasta dishes. If there's
Speaker 3: anything that you want to talk to me about, let's
Speaker 3: then let's just have that conversation.
Speaker 2: Son, did that boy put his period blood in yell lasagna?
Speaker 2: Because you might be cursed? Yeah?
Speaker 3: All real stuff.
Speaker 2: It's all real stuff. Oh that's so funny, man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he had to get that call, like at work
Speaker 2: or something, He's like, he did what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, come over with what.
Speaker 2: College, mister Randall. I'm gonna have to take the rest
Speaker 2: of the day. I gotta go deal with something. My son.
Speaker 2: He let a boy cook lozana. His boss is like,
Speaker 2: oh god, it.
Speaker 3: Would be a very funny euphemism for somebody being gay.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody's like, oh, he's a little little light
Speaker 3: in the loafers. Oh did they be cooking lasagna at
Speaker 3: his house? I bet he lets men prep a meal
Speaker 3: in his kitchen, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like a good guy.
Speaker 3: Though, no, he's he means well, he means well, He's
Speaker 3: just he's from a time all.
Speaker 2: Right, we need to take one more break. We're gonna
Speaker 2: be back with more Devin Walker and more. My mama
Speaker 2: told me.
Speaker 4: And me want you to come back and watch this podcast,
Speaker 4: welcome back to my mom and told me, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think and I asked this to both of you,
Speaker 1: do you think that there still is a lingering threat
Speaker 1: of diagnosis of black kids? Like, do we feel like
Speaker 1: there is some remaining truth in the way that we
Speaker 1: acknowledged our three and a half floor did exist, your
Speaker 1: fucking the portables exist? Do we still worry that like,
Speaker 1: by diagnosing black children, especially too early, we are somehow
Speaker 1: empowering them to be targets for separation.
Speaker 4: And I think there's a million places that the system
Speaker 4: can catch little black boys. I think that that is
Speaker 4: like as far as we've come, I think that's probably
Speaker 4: always going to be the case. So like I'm hesitant
Speaker 4: to say that. I don't think diagnosis is like because
Speaker 4: obviously get the people to help they need, like you said,
Speaker 4: But I think it's like, man, you're a little black
Speaker 4: boy and that's in the system, Like you fall off
Speaker 4: for anything, you know what I mean, you really you
Speaker 4: could really get out of here on anything, So like
Speaker 4: do I think there's still like it's reasonable to be hesitant. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I always always always just the system, we see how
Speaker 4: it's designed, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it really is so much
Speaker 3: a story, just like anything else. I'm just like all right,
Speaker 3: like where is this black boy at you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying? What does his family have like access to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What school does he go to? You know? What
Speaker 2: are the other kids in the class who are being
Speaker 2: diagnosed with ADHD. I think there's like a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of that I read.
Speaker 1: I listened to a thing the other day that was
Speaker 1: talking about people who get like adderall as kids and
Speaker 1: sort of tracking the progress that they make over like
Speaker 1: a bit larger span of time, and like there's all
Speaker 1: this evidence of like immediate turnarounds for kids that start
Speaker 1: taking you know, ADHD drugs, but there's not as much
Speaker 1: statistics on like what happens beyond the immediate reactions, right,
Speaker 1: And a lot of what they found is statistically those
Speaker 1: students do not end up doing better than they were
Speaker 1: previously doing. Really they have like these sort of spikes,
Speaker 1: but then they eventually sort of find their way back
Speaker 1: to a like not you know, stellar level in their
Speaker 1: school exactly. And so I wonder how much of these
Speaker 1: medications were even still going to be activating the same
Speaker 1: way that we were activating at a time where like
Speaker 1: it was an immediate solve to a problem. I think
Speaker 1: people are now a lot and you know, some of
Speaker 1: it is the anti vacshit. Some of it is like
Speaker 1: the anti medication movement, whatever it is, but some of
Speaker 1: it is very real too, where you go like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't actually know that a drug that sort of
Speaker 1: changes your you know, your plants chemistry is the solution
Speaker 1: to in your in your lasting life. I like being
Speaker 1: temporary but not forever.
Speaker 3: I never got I never got on any type of medication,
Speaker 3: and I do feel like some of that like kind
Speaker 3: of stuck, you know what I'm saying. Like I just
Speaker 3: came off of like three years of working at a
Speaker 3: place where I was like depressed all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It was just like honestly,
Speaker 3: like I really do want to, like I would like
Speaker 3: to at some point like fully talk about that experience,
Speaker 3: but it's like the the like news news publications keep
Speaker 3: picking ship up that I say in different places in
Speaker 3: a way that makes me want to not the news lemons,
Speaker 3: don all come on and talk to you on your
Speaker 3: news program. Well we'll break it down. But yeah, even
Speaker 3: even like throughout that where I was like really depressed,
Speaker 3: really in like a dark dark space, like I never
Speaker 3: I never could do it, some something that like little
Speaker 3: piece of what my dad was telling me is like
Speaker 3: still in there where it's like you don't need to
Speaker 3: be on them drugs, like that's going to lead you
Speaker 3: down like a weird path.
Speaker 2: I still won't do it.
Speaker 1: And I do think the bigger problem was how unwilling
Speaker 1: we were to diagnose people. I think there was a
Speaker 1: culture to not even put a label on a lot
Speaker 1: of the kids that we put on the third and
Speaker 1: a half floor and instead just put them up there
Speaker 1: because they were behavioral issues, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like how you suck to teach, therefore you need to
Speaker 1: be separating, and that I think is an actual violence
Speaker 1: against people. But I do think empowering people to understand, yo,
Speaker 1: this is what you're experiencing, and there are other people
Speaker 1: who are experiencing it, and here are options for how
Speaker 1: they've solved it is what everybody should be presented with.
Speaker 1: It's not the drug is the solution. It's hey, the
Speaker 1: drug is an option, and should you choose it? This
Speaker 1: is what the fuck could happen. And I think unfortunately
Speaker 1: we went from not diagnosing motherfuckers to then diagnosing them
Speaker 1: a fuck ton but only giving them one option to
Speaker 1: resolving it. And I'm hoping we're towards like, hey, there
Speaker 1: are eight options, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's what you because I think also systemically
Speaker 4: for little black boys, behavioral problems are just like kind
Speaker 4: of just a part of being in the system, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: Like so that's what I worry where it's like that's
Speaker 4: a thing, yo, bro, like if.
Speaker 3: You social personality dis or whatever.
Speaker 4: I was talking to my mom recently and she was
Speaker 4: talking about how she had multiple teachers come at her
Speaker 4: with kind of crazy shit, and it was just from
Speaker 4: being a little black boy, being like I'm not particularly
Speaker 4: poorly behaved or anything like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But it's like, so like that's my worry is like
Speaker 4: you were, you're like sweeping up all these kids because
Speaker 4: behavioral How many.
Speaker 1: Of these badass kids that school would do better if
Speaker 1: their mom just didn't have to work late?
Speaker 2: Yeah? For true, you know what I mean? They just
Speaker 2: had like access to vegetables, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If you just gave them basic resources and like a
Speaker 2: sincere connection with all parties that are involved, I bet
Speaker 2: they can get to a place where like some of
Speaker 2: that shit chills out for sure, and you you are
Speaker 2: just so lacking in empathy with like their actual lived
Speaker 2: experience that you go, I got to put a.
Speaker 3: Drug in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got to change the chemistry of that person,
Speaker 1: because otherwise they should not.
Speaker 2: They can't even like be educated. They're animals to me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get why motherfuckers are wary of the thing,
Speaker 1: and I think I wish we could we had other
Speaker 1: solutions without calling the thing evil. Yeah, like I think both.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that thing doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be fully evil, but it doesn't mean it's good for everybody,
Speaker 1: and everybody should be allowed the choice to decide for sure.
Speaker 4: Correct to all that though, to your dad, your dad's point,
Speaker 4: I do think there was a time you had to
Speaker 4: be a lot more wary of it, And I understand him.
Speaker 3: Like in his time for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's like, well maybe not
Speaker 4: all the way I guess, correct, which was correct?
Speaker 2: Correct? But like it. It was like a real understandable fear.
Speaker 2: And you gotta think about what his dad taught him.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what I mean. He like, man,
Speaker 2: if you say that they're gonna shoot you in the woods.
Speaker 4: You had a boy making for you. His dad thought
Speaker 4: he was gay just for knowing what lazagna was, what.
Speaker 9: You pronounced that. It's no, God, damn Frenchman. I do
Speaker 9: got a diff but like, yeah, I know, did you
Speaker 9: just really quick?
Speaker 3: Did y'all did y'all's moms ever hit y' all with
Speaker 3: this type of stuff, Like, did y'all's mom's ever.
Speaker 2: Hit you with like you're gay? Because you did? Like blank,
Speaker 2: Oh you know what's crazy? My mom never did.
Speaker 4: My stepdad was nasty and joke about like of course,
Speaker 4: not even like hit me with like anything that I did.
Speaker 4: But he would just be like, you know, it's okay
Speaker 4: if you're gay, ha ha, which is like a very
Speaker 4: evil and it's just like a very nasty thing to
Speaker 4: do to a person. But my mom, because my mom
Speaker 4: was like when I was little, her friend came out
Speaker 4: as lesbian and she was triny, so it was like
Speaker 4: her mom had a tough tough time with it tiddaddy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so my so, like.
Speaker 2: My mom, he was mispronouncing something. I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: I was like, y'all talk crazy on his podcast, but
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: It was it was like I didn't know he was there.
Speaker 2: Brothers stick around. We hate speech with accent.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it makes it to all that that was like
Speaker 10: a huge thing when she was young and my mom
Speaker 10: got here young, so it was like my mom's she
Speaker 10: just really open to that.
Speaker 2: My mom was a really open person all that time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My mom's best friend from growing up was a trans
Speaker 1: woman is a trans woman.
Speaker 3: And I think in that way, my mom didn't.
Speaker 1: Have progressive sort of like necessarily responses to all of it,
Speaker 1: but she was fully like that's still my yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my mom's always been She's like
Speaker 4: wide open like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, progressive, Devin, this was crazy. This was really fun, man.
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Speaker 4: I had a good time. Yeah, backdrop what you got.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pull up. That's gonna be fun. That's my est
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Speaker 1: I added the date Chicago. You've been bitching the morning,
Speaker 1: you know, and you come to see us because it
Speaker 1: hurts to be back there. But guess what, I'm coming
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Speaker 2: Pull up. Then you're bringing lasagna.
Speaker 3: I'm bringing lasagna.
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