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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: Is it real?

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Speaker 3: According to sources, the FBI finally reveals that Brian Laundry

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Speaker 3: admitted to murdering Gabby Patito in a notebook, and not

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Speaker 3: only that a bombshell did Brian Laundry tell his parents

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Speaker 3: that Gabby was dead? And yet they continued to pretend

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Speaker 3: to Gabby Patito's family that they didn't know where she was,

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Speaker 3: not answering phone calls, not telling them the truth, while

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Speaker 3: her body decomposed and dispersed camping out in the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Is this real?

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Speaker 3: Well, according to the Patito family and their lawyers, It's

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Speaker 3: very real.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with.

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Speaker 3: Us here at Crime Stories and on Serious six sem

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Speaker 3: one eleven.

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Speaker 2: Let's just take it back to the beginning.

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Speaker 3: When Gabby Pottito was beaten by Brian Laundry and there

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Speaker 3: were multiple witnesses that saw it happening literally on main Street.

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Speaker 3: Yet somehow she was deemed the aggressor, was let go

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Speaker 3: by Moab police and ends up dead and decomposing.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start with the Moab Police department bodycam footage

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Speaker 3: that is apologizing.

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Speaker 4: Tone and get really frustrated with me and he but

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Speaker 4: I can go to the car and told me, let's

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Speaker 4: take a breathing.

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Speaker 5: But I didn't want to sing a breather, but I

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Speaker 2: We're out of water, so I kind of made you

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Speaker 2: more upset.

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Speaker 5: Didn't help more upset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so our goal.

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Speaker 1: Was to come here and come rekill our water.

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Speaker 5: Are you guys living the van right now?

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Speaker 4: On travels?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Remember Gabby Batido had set off with her then boyfriend

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Speaker 3: Brian Laundry. Now we know her killer on a cross

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Speaker 3: country trip in her Ford transit that she had restored

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Speaker 2: And let me understand this with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 3: But first two Melissa Ratliffe, ABC seventh Serrisota's digital content

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Speaker 3: manager and journalist, Melissa, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Let me understand this. So she gets beaten in the face.

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Speaker 3: Two witnesses see it and she's saying, I was a paulogizing,

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Speaker 3: but I guess I apologized in a main tone.

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Speaker 2: Did I hear that right?

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Speaker 5: You did? We were all kind of stunned when we

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Speaker 5: watched this footage together at the newsroom. We got an

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Speaker 5: open records request and got it from the Moab Police Department.

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Speaker 5: And what we saw, even though it was said that

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Speaker 5: Brian had marks on him, was Gabby was utterly terrified

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Speaker 5: and we watched her. She was shaking, she was apologizing

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Speaker 5: as though it were her fault, and ultimately that's kind

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Speaker 5: of what it seemed Moab landed on although there were

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Speaker 5: no charges pressed. So what we saw was a terrified

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Speaker 5: young woman and what we saw were the cops sitting

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Speaker 5: her off with who would eventually be her killer. And

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Speaker 5: it was absolutely devastating to watch and knowing that we

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Speaker 3: I mean, Karen start joining me, renowned psychologist, TV radio

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Speaker 3: trauma expert. You can find her at karenstar dot com.

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Speaker 2: Karen with a safe you try to find her.

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Speaker 3: Karen, I actually feel sick inside having represented so many

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Speaker 3: battered women taken their calls on the Battered Women Hotline,

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Speaker 3: and I hear Gabby Patito apologizing and saying and I quote,

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Speaker 3: I guess I apologized in a mean tone and it

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Speaker 3: frustrated him even more. What she just got beat in

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Speaker 8: And Nancy, it's so symptomatic of someone who's been abused.

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Speaker 8: Where they are, they are terrified of not being in

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Speaker 8: the relationship. They've become convinced that they're not worthwhile, that

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Speaker 8: they're causing all the problems. This could not be more

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Speaker 8: I could just hear him saying to her, well, that's

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Speaker 3: Instead of projecting what I think about it, let me

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Speaker 3: have you listen to it.

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Speaker 2: Listen to more than.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah?

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Speaker 8: Is there something on your cheek here? Looks like did

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Speaker 8: you get did you get hit in the face? Kind

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Speaker 8: of looks like something like hit you in the face,

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Speaker 9: And then over on your arm, your shoulder right here,

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Speaker 4: Huh have a new mark?

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Speaker 8: Did I see the other side of your face?

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Speaker 7: So what happens here?

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Speaker 3: And here? So the cops actually see marks on her face,

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Speaker 2: And on her arm. Let's hear it. Here's some more so,

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Speaker 2: there's two people that came to us and told us

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Speaker 5: There's two people saying that they saw him hunch you,

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Speaker 5: which is independent witnesses.

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Speaker 9: By Moonflower's honest way, First, where'd.

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Speaker 2: You hit him?

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Speaker 7: He stopped him first.

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Speaker 3: So two people see Brian Laundry punching her in the face,

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Speaker 3: and she says, well, I definitely started I slapped him,

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Speaker 3: but instident tree Melissa Outlook.

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Speaker 2: That's when he locked.

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Speaker 3: Her out off her own van and was going to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a struggle over being locked out of

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so angry. I'm so angry Melissa. This

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Speaker 3: and somehow she's the bad person.

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Speaker 8: And she's there with little him. She's a little girl

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Speaker 8: and saying she's saying she's lapped in like that means

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Speaker 2: Melissa, is that what happened?

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Speaker 5: That is what the police support seems to indicate that

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Speaker 5: But prior to that, there had been a lot of shuffling,

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Speaker 5: but there was just so much tension and I don't

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Speaker 2: You know, you're giving me so many flashbacks.

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Speaker 3: Melissa Ratlift Melissa joining us from ABC seven Sarasota's digital content.

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Speaker 3: She's the manager and also investigative journalist. I've got an

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Speaker 3: all star panel. I'm going to try to get to

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Speaker 3: them right now, but I just want to say that

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Speaker 3: this is giving me so many flashbacks domestic violence victims

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Speaker 3: I represented in court and women I would speak to

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Speaker 3: on the Batter Women's Center hotline when I manned that

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Speaker 3: that somehow they always thought it was their fault, Like

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Speaker 2: She was in intensive.

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Speaker 3: Care and there's always a quote reason and for the

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Speaker 3: other of you, you can't see me. I'm doing air quotes

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Speaker 3: for the beating. And this time her husband called and

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Speaker 2: So he beat her into the ICU.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she actually thought it was her fault because

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Speaker 2: And not the enchiladas or vice versa.

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Speaker 3: But I hear Gabby Petita going well, I guess I

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Speaker 3: apologized in a MEANTIMEE. So you know what I'm going

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Speaker 3: to get to whether or not his parents knew she

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Speaker 3: parents knowing her body was decomposing somewhere. But one last time,

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Speaker 3: take a listen to more of the MOA police body

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Speaker 3: cam footage made it clear that she.

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Speaker 4: Was the primary aggressor and that she was striking you

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Speaker 4: and you were deceived injuries you haven't admitted to striking her.

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Speaker 10: So at this point you're the.

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Speaker 8: Victim of a domestic assault.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to take this in small twenty what

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Speaker 2: is she said? You could definitely defend yourself against But

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Speaker 5: Same time, tomorrow, if you want to, it's up to you.

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Speaker 2: You can.

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Speaker 10: You can't because you don't have a charge.

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Speaker 9: For you now tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: If you wanted to be again with her again tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Did I hear laughing at the end of that. I did.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Riley joining me.

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Speaker 3: High profile lawyer representing the dad, Joseph Patito and the mom,

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Speaker 3: Nicole Schmidt with Snyder and Riley trial lawyers. You can

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Speaker 3: find them at Snyder and Riley dot com. Patrickreiley, did

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Speaker 3: you hear that they actually said to Brian Laundry, the murderer,

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Speaker 3: They say to him, you and I quote you have

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Speaker 3: done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: You're the victim.

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Speaker 4: I did hear that. Nancy and the past I have

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Speaker 4: represented victims of domestic violence as well, and it's the

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Speaker 4: story sounds eerily similar to things I've heard in the past,

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Speaker 4: and you always hear the story, Well, I wish something

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Speaker 4: had been done, and we should step in because we

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Speaker 4: want to prevent future harm. And this is the perfect

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Speaker 4: example of why there needs to be proper education and

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Speaker 4: recognize the danger involved and who the true victim is

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Speaker 4: and take.

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Speaker 5: Action, you know.

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Speaker 3: Also with me Bill Garcia, licensed private investigator at Bill

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Speaker 3: Garcia Investigative Services and renowned professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 3: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, host of Body Bags,

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Speaker 3: with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Joe Scott,

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Speaker 3: did you hear at the end where the cop is saying, hey, tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: you can pick her up if you want to, if

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Speaker 3: you want her back, and they.

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Speaker 2: All start laughing. Ha ha ha ha.

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Speaker 3: Scott tell me about Gabby Potito's murderer and how her

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Speaker 3: body was found, what conditioned in which it was found.

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Speaker 10: The setting is or the Grandeta is the Grand Tetans

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Speaker 10: National Park. It's this beautiful, beautiful yet very isolated location

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Speaker 10: in Wyoming, Nancy, arguably by some one of the most

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Speaker 10: beautiful you know, federal parks in the US. Everywhere you look.

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Speaker 10: It's just this is grandeur.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, Joe Scott, Yeah, sure.

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Speaker 3: My parents had their I think fiftieth wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 2: We all flew out there.

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Speaker 3: And just before I had the twins and I got

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Speaker 3: off the plane.

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Speaker 2: I was coming from New York LaGuardia. I flew out there.

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Speaker 2: I got off the.

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Speaker 3: Plane and I looked up and I went it literally

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Speaker 10: You've got these marks that were visible on her body

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Speaker 3: When you say decomposing, as a matter of fact, Brian

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Speaker 3: You're out with the animals and there's nobody and nothing

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Speaker 10: He wrapped his hands around her neck, her very thin,

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Speaker 9: Two days after he is believed to have killed his fiancee,

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Speaker 2: And joining me right now.

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Speaker 3: In addition to Bill Garcia, private investigator Patrick Riley, the

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Speaker 3: reverberating with me when my fiancee was murdered. I was

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Speaker 3: call Keith's sister. Well, I knew right there that something

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Speaker 3: And she said yes, And I dropped the phone, and

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Speaker 3: I knew he was dead. Explain to me, in what world.

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Speaker 2: When you say Gabby's go on and you're driving home

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, first, I'm sorry for that experience that you

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Speaker 4: They had the audacity to argue that reunited could mean

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Speaker 2: Could you explain that one more time? I just want

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Speaker 4: Sure. The statement that was made on September fourteenth by

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Speaker 4: They hope that the search is successful and that she

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Speaker 4: it could also have meant that they were reunited with

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've never heard of soldiers remains being a with

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Speaker 2: What does that mean to you? Reunited with her family?

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Speaker 7: To me, it would it would be an attempt to

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Speaker 3: Well, it was curious Melissa rat left joining me ABC

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't they expect.

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Speaker 2: I need a lawyer.

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Speaker 10: There was so.

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Speaker 5: Much vagueness, if I could use that term, in those

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Speaker 3: So in his notebook, he says Gabby Patito wanted to

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Speaker 5: He was saying, she was suffering and she begged him

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Speaker 3: Okay, I guess she begged him to beat her in

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct. I don't recall if it was

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Speaker 3: Issued that statement, issued this statement about reunification.

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Speaker 4: Correct. They chose not to speak up prior to that.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about a specter looming over the murder

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Speaker 5: We do know that in addition to the avoiding of

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Speaker 5: reaching our newsroom very very shortly after she was reported missing.

444
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: We couldn't even get a hold of Nicole Schmidt or

445
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 5: or a culturemate, excusing we could not even get a

446
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: hold of ROBERTA Laundry or Christopher Lovey. We are Our

447
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 5: attempts to get in touch with them for clarification were

448
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 5: constantly rebuff but also in the fact that they're just

449
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 5: not speaking to the parents who came all the way

450
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 5: down here to Northport to try to get answers when

451
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 5: no one knew where Brian was and they were still

452
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 5: had no clue where Gabby was, and they were begging,

453
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 5: and still just silence, silence, and making sure that they

454
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 5: were holed up in their home away from everyone, despite

455
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 5: their being media outside, everything was just quiet.

456
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: And then even going on a camping trip with the sister.

457
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: Remember they went on a camping trip. You want to

458
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: tell me they didn't.

459
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: Talk about where is Gabby on the camping trip? I

460
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: mean Patrick Riley, who was representing the Patito family. Isn't

461
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: it true that the Laundry's actually blocked cell phones of

462
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: the victims?

463
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 4: They blocked the self Roberto Landra blocked access to her

464
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: cell phone by Nicole Schmidt, and Nicole reached out to

465
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: her by text message and on several occasions, and then

466
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 4: subsequently discovered she'd been blocked.

467
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: Cut two five to three.

468
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 9: The attorney for Gabby Patito's parents, Nicole Schmidt and Joe Patito,

469
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 9: believe Brian Laundry told his parents and lawyer more than

470
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 9: what they will admit, so he's asking a court to

471
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 9: compel Attorney Steve Bertolino into revealing what Brian Laundry told him.

472
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 9: In the days after he admits Gabby Patito is gone,

473
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 9: but before Heavy Battido is listed as missing, Attorney pat

474
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 9: Riley tells WFLA that he wants to know what Brian

475
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 9: Laundry told Bertolino because he believes Laundry admitted more. Riley

476
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 9: also wants to know if Attorney Bertolino knew where Gabby

477
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 9: and Potito's body was located.

478
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: Wow, Patrick Riley, you think they actually knew where Gabby's

479
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: body was?

480
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: I do?

481
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Well, really, how could they not? How could they not

482
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: ask Brian Laundry, where's her body?

483
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if the Laundry is knew. I

484
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: highly suspect Attorney Bertolino did. In his deposition when we

485
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: had a conversation about hiring a lawyer, he told me

486
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 4: that he called several law firms out in Wyoming, and

487
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: he also called the Public Defender's Office in Jackson. And

488
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: I asked, why did you call the Public Defender's Office

489
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: in Jackson of all the places in Wyoming? And he

490
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: refused to answer the question.

491
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: And to you, Jo Scott Morgan isn't that where the

492
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: autopsy to wish you were referring was conducted. Wasn't that

493
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction where her body was found.

494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, it was Nancy, and you know, to be

495
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 10: perfectly honest, they did a fine job, you know, and

496
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 10: considering that they also had an uphill climb with this,

497
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 10: because you're talking about the remains of a young women

498
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 10: that have been down for a protracted period of time,

499
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 10: and though it's in the Grand Tetons, it's still a

500
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 10: warm environment, so decomposition would have sped up during that

501
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 10: time of year.

502
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: So yes, So how could they tell Joe Scott if

503
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: her body had been torn apart, starting to be torn

504
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: apart by animals, she was in the midst of decomposing,

505
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: this beautiful young girl.

506
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: How could they tell she was strangled dead, she was asphyxiated.

507
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 10: Depended upon how intact the neck would have been, they

508
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 10: would have been able to possibly appreciate what's referred to

509
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 10: as little areas of hemorrhage in the soft tissues that remained. Well, yeah, bruises,

510
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 10: but it's a it's a deep tissue hemorrhage because you're

511
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 10: applying direct pressure, not you the universal sense and in

512
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 10: this case Brian Laundry, by his own admission, applying direct

513
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 10: pressure into these very soft, malleable areas and you'll you'll

514
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 10: have these little areas of hemorrhage that are in dwelling there.

515
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 10: And of course we look at the other structures within

516
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 10: the neck, the cartilage, uh that's that's in the area

517
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 10: that we would commonly refer to as the wind pipe,

518
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 10: to see if it's intact, and also the highwaid bone

519
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 10: as everybody goes to. You look to see what the

520
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 10: what the status of it is if there's any hemorrhage

521
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 10: around that particular area as well. So there are many

522
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 10: things that we can look for. One of the things

523
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 10: that you might have trouble finding in a case like

524
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 10: this that we look for constantly in cases of oxygen

525
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 10: deprivation where you're being deprived of oxygen are particular hemorrhages

526
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 10: the eyes. Sometimes that's pretty difficult to find in decomposing bodies.

527
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: If I might add, in addition to the trauma of

528
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: a loss of gabby and everything that they've gone through,

529
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: there's a lasting memory in Jim Schmidt's mind, and that

530
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: is that he had to identify by photographs of Gabby's remains.

531
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: Question, did Brian Laundry's parents instruct him to pretend Gabby

532
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: was still alive?

533
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: Take a listen to hour two five four from Dave mac.

534
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 9: In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family

535
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 9: alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text

536
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 9: messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.

537
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 9: Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is

538
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 9: a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.

539
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 9: In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan

540
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 9: Schmid has stated, Gabby never called her grandfather by his

541
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 9: first name and that was highly suspicious.

542
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

543
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: Two Patrick Riley representing Gabby Patino's family. Is there any

544
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: allegation or thought process regarding the Laundries instructing him to

545
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: send these fake texts?

546
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: I don't remember the timing of when those texts were sent.

547
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: I believe one of them was sent around the time

548
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: that on the twenty nine to twenty he did contact

549
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: his parents. I don't know if there were any instructions

550
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: where there weren't, but we haven't discussed.

551
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: You thought Brian Laundry came up with that all on

552
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: his own And I don't know.

553
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 4: But we haven't talked about the letter Roberta. Laundry that

554
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: was discovered after Brian passed away.

555
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, the so called burn letter. Let's talk about that.

556
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: To Melissa Ratliffe, ABC seven, describe the so called burn

557
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: letter sent by Ryan Laundry's mother to him.

558
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: This is one of the most interesting things I've ever seen.

559
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: I've covered a lot of missing person cases. I did

560
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: Crystal Rogers in Kentucky when I was working at a

561
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 5: television station there. So you see a lot of you know,

562
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: odd theories pop up here and there. But this letter,

563
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 5: which eventually was released thanks to mister Riley. We got

564
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 5: that letter in the Smith Finia helped make it a

565
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: public and it was honestly a love letter in a sense,

566
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: and said a mother telling her son that she would

567
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 5: always be there for him, and you know that she

568
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: would have a shovel available if ever he needed to

569
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: hide a body. Basically, now, out of context, she says, ROBERTA.

570
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 5: Laundry claims that this is just a burn after reading

571
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: being their favorite book that's also a movie. It's pretty popular,

572
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: but in the end, the context of everything that happened,

573
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: it's just an incredibly bizarre o from a mother to

574
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: a son. And that was made public eventually, and we

575
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 5: were all scratching our head like huh when that came out,

576
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: just because the nature of the letter is a mother

577
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 5: who will be there for her son no matter what

578
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: he does.

579
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: Didn't she say I'll show up with a shovel, help

580
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: get rid of a body, something like that, and burn

581
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: this letter after reading.

582
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 5: And the burn after reading things he said was because

583
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 5: that was their favorite book they had read together.

584
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: What else did the letter say, Patrick Cryley, because that's

585
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: pretty damning well.

586
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: Said three things that were interesting. One one said something

587
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: about if he hated her guts, she'd cut her guts out.

588
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: There was if he needs help bearing a body, she'll

589
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 4: show up and bring a shovel, and if he goes

590
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: to prison. I don't recall if it was a saw

591
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: or a shive, but she would bake a cake and

592
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: put it in And to me, that almost sounds like

593
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: if it didn't if the letter wasn't written after was ga,

594
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: after gab he was murdered, it almost sounds like permission.

595
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Whoa, when did the letter her do we know?

596
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: No, it's undated.

597
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: Well, why would she be talking about burying a body

598
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 3: and bringing him a knife in jail?

599
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: Her answer to that is that's, you know, maybe poorly

600
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: chosen words, but that's how she and her friends communicate.

601
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I'd like to meet these friends.

602
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: I really would to. Karen start joining us. I think

603
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: I need a shrink now more than ever. Karen start

604
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: jump in.

605
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, yes, we understand that a mother cares

606
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 8: about her son, but this is outrageous Nancy, because she

607
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 8: is not only offering to help him do something with

608
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 8: this body, but she is making other parents suffer. She

609
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 8: is keeping information from these two people who are desperate

610
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 8: to know what happened to their daughter. And you think

611
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 8: about how could she not put herself in that place

612
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 8: there she is offering to help her son get a shovel,

613
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 8: a shit, whatever she's saying, and not think about the

614
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 8: fact that these parents feel the same way, are really

615
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 8: in pain about their daughter, and she is.

616
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: Not coming through.

617
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 5: It is just outrageous.

618
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to hear the crux of this lawsuit.

619
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: In our two five to five.

620
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 9: Gabby Patito's mother Nicole Schmidt and her father, Joe Patito,

621
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 9: are suing Chris and Roberto Laundry and their attorney, Steve Bertolino,

622
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 9: for intentional infliction of emotional distress, claiming they were aware

623
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 9: Gabby Patito was dead but chose to do nothing other

624
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 9: than release a statement expressing hope Gabby would be found.

625
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 9: The civil trial has been postponed several times, but is

626
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 9: scheduled to begin in May of twenty twenty four.

627
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: To Joe Scott Morgan, the dichotomy of while all this

628
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: is happening, the fake text that Laundry is sending and

629
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: I was just looking at the dates the fake texts

630
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: he sent from Gabby's phone, he left her body out

631
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: in the wilderness to be destroyed and decomposed, and eight

632
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: none by animals. He's sending these texts pretending to be

633
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: her to her family on August thirty. He speaks to

634
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: his family, his mother and father, on August twenty nine.

635
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: The fake texts aren't the next day, August thirty. He

636
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: gets home on September one.

637
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: And they all go camping. Yeah, isn't that right, Jackie?

638
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: Isn't that right? Melissa Rattlift.

639
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: They go out to a state park and there's the sister,

640
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: and there's laundry, and there's roberta laundry, the mother and

641
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: the father and they go camping, right.

642
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's if I recall quickly, Yeah, they were all

643
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: going out and there seem to be if I recall

644
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: from the sisters interviews later, that there was just really

645
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: no talk about anything. It was just sort of a

646
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: We're just going to go camping and try to forget

647
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: about the.

648
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: World, forget about the dead body decomposing. Yeah. The camping

649
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: trip was September six through.

650
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: Eight, So they're there intense and campers, and nobody talks

651
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: about where's Gabby.

652
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 5: It doesn't sit right. It's like this it all sits.

653
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 5: It steels so intentionally ambiguous and buried in all these

654
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: questions of this is not a normal.

655
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: Response, And so Joe Scott Morgan, what is the condition

656
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: of Gabby's body?

657
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: When they're all.

658
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: Out toasting marshmallows over the campfire in Florida.

659
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 10: It's one of these circumstances where you wish that you

660
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 10: could just grab them by their ear and drag them

661
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 10: out to this location and have them stand over these remains.

662
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Speaker 10: Many remains like this that I have unfortunately stood over

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Speaker 10: in my career and let them see what their little

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Speaker 10: angel has done, expose them to this degree of decomposition

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Speaker 10: that her body would have been at at this point

666
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Speaker 10: when they're going out camping at this location there in

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Speaker 10: southern Florida, to let them see, to let them see

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Speaker 10: insect activity, to let them see the activity of potential

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Speaker 10: animals that are there, and also to see what was

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 10: wrought at the hands of this petulant manchild that they've raised,

671
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 10: just so that they can bear witness to it. While

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Speaker 10: this family is wringing their home, their hands at home,

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00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 10: holding out hope that their precious angel is going to

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Speaker 10: come back home, and of course she's not going to.

675
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Speaker 10: But they're out recreating, they're on the Golden Shores in

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Speaker 10: southern Florida.

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Speaker 3: To Patrick Riley, representing the Potitos, what exactly does your lawsuit,

678
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: the Patito family lawsuit allege.

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00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's a very an intentional inspection of emotional distress.

680
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: Case is very limited. It's not like a typical port

681
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: of negligence or or things of that nature. It's it's

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Speaker 4: limited to a situation where someone has it's done something

683
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Speaker 4: that's so outrageous that it causes emotional harm, and that

684
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Speaker 4: they knew or should have known that the conduct they

685
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: were undertaking, or the things that they were saying, we're

686
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 4: going to cause that harm or were likely to cause

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00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 4: that harm. In this instance, the case is based upon

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00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: Attorney Bertolio statements of September fourteenth and September nineteenth of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. In the fourteenth again, it was the

690
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: statement where he said he hoped the family was reunited,

691
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Speaker 4: and the result.

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Speaker 10: Of that was.

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00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: Joe Patito and Nicole Schmid and their spouses were going

694
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: through conflicting emotions and thoughts about whether she's alive or

695
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: she's not alive. They're hoping that she is there on

696
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: either end of the spectrum, and this statement gave them hope,

697
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: additional hope that she was alive, so that when they

698
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: ultimately learned five days later that she was not, the

699
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: fall was even bigger than it would have been because

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00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: of the hope that had been increased. The statement on

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Speaker 4: the nineteenth made by Attorney Bertolino again on behalf of

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: the Petito cup of the Laundry family, was the news

703
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 4: is devastating. Her words to that effect, well, it wasn't

704
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: news to them. They already knew.

705
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: And specifically, their statement that Bertolino read is and I quote,

706
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: it is our hope that the search for miss Patito

707
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: is successful and that Miss Patito is reunited with her family.

708
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: And according to your lawsuit, they knew she was dead

709
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: in decomposing, as Joe Scott Morgan has described. Meanwhile, the

710
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: day after his call to his parents, the Laundry sent

711
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: a text message. Laundry sends a text message from Gabby's

712
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: phone to her mother claiming.

713
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: There's no sale service.

714
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: And now Nicole Schmidt, her mother, interprets that text as

715
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: an attempt to deceive her into believing Gabby Patito was

716
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: still alive. Were the parents in league trying to Miss

717
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: Lee the Potatos to Bill Garcia a private eye, Can

718
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: we ever prove it?

719
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Speaker 6: I think that would be extremely difficult. Fortunately, technology is

720
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 6: such that they're able to connect the dots and see

721
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 6: at what point these texts and calls were made, where

722
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 6: they were made from, and in what context, and hopefully

723
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 6: can be all put together to be able to prove

724
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 6: that Brian's family actually knew what was going on.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, Bill Garcia and Tom Melissa Rattle

726
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Speaker 3: of joining US ABC seven Sericota's Digi content manager, Melissa,

727
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Speaker 3: I look at things in black and white. What can

728
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Speaker 3: I prove to a jury? What is inadmissible? What's truth?

729
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: What's I can't prove his truth, but I know it.

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Speaker 2: I bet you if this were put to a jury,

731
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Speaker 2: they would believe.

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Speaker 3: The Laundry family need Gabby was dead, and continued to

733
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Speaker 3: avoid calls by the Potitos put out this statement saying, Wow,

734
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Speaker 3: I hope they find her. We hope she's reunited with

735
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: their parents, all the while knowing that Gabby was dead

736
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Speaker 3: and that their son made it a criminal lawyer. And

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Speaker 3: as Patrick Riley points out, it would be argued that

738
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Speaker 3: they knew where her body was because.

739
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Speaker 2: Out of all the world, they.

740
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Speaker 3: Looked into a public defender in Jackson, where the body

741
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Speaker 3: was found.

742
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Speaker 5: Melissa Ratleff, it's been it's so infuriating to read this

743
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Speaker 5: because it does, indeed feel like common sense, like this

744
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Speaker 5: does not add up. What you're saying, doesn't add up

745
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 5: to silence and being up to some purpose. And I

746
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: wonder if it's just an attempt to hide behind maybe ambiguity,

747
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 5: to try to protect the we knew she was gone.

748
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: We didn't know she was dead, Like I don't know,

749
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Speaker 5: but I wonder if the technology will ultimately be the

750
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Speaker 5: thing that helps put in the like put into place

751
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: exactly what happened, if there's more we don't know about

752
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: yet that they knew. And yeah, the coincidence alone of

753
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 5: Bertolino calling it is the same day, it's on the

754
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Speaker 5: twenty ninth, after they get a phone called, they calls

755
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Speaker 5: Bertolino and then later he's making phone calls where the

756
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Speaker 5: body is eventually located. It's very much I don't know

757
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 5: if I would say circumstantial, but you do wonder if

758
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: there's more to support it that will make it more

759
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 5: clear that everyone involved knew what was happening or not.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Riley correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: But isn't it true that under the law, and this

762
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Speaker 3: is read by judges every day to jurrrs as they

763
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Speaker 3: instruct the jury as they go out for deliberation, that

764
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Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence is to be regarded as strongly as direct

765
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Speaker 3: evidences such as DNA or a fingerprint or an eyewitness.

766
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Speaker 3: It's no less valuable or powerful than direct evidence.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct because in circumstances like this, you

769
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Speaker 4: don't really have direct evidence. You don't have somebody observing

770
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: everything that occurs here and candidly. I've tried cases based

771
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: on circumstantial evidence in the past. I don't think it's

772
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: too difficult to connect the dots in this case to

773
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: show that the Laundries absolutely knew that Gabby was deceased

774
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: at the time that they had hired attorney Bertolino. Why

775
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: else would he need to be hired, why else would

776
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: they need an attorney, and then made those statements they

777
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: knew at the time that was done. There's no doubt

778
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: in my Mindey, and.

779
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Speaker 3: Let me reiterate that the Laundry family insists they did

780
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 3: not know Gabby was dead and they have done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice on false Goodbye for