Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
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Speaker 3: This terrorist regime began forty seven years ago by literally
Speaker 3: taking us hostages, and then here they are forty seven
Speaker 3: years later, slaughtering their own people in the streets and
Speaker 3: then holding the entire world hostage economically by threatening.
Speaker 2: To close the strait.
Speaker 3: And of course President Trump has made it very clear
Speaker 3: of the consequences if they try to do that.
Speaker 1: So the Iranians, that's Doug burghameas the Energy.
Speaker 2: Secretary, Secretary of the Interior. I think he is he
Speaker 2: talking about the exterior. I thought he was the energy secretary,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: So Iran was going to try to mine straight of
Speaker 1: horn Moves so that none of the oil ships could
Speaker 1: go through there, and then we blew them, but Jesus
Speaker 1: out of sixteen of their mining ships yesterday to try
Speaker 1: to keep it open. But there still ain't no companies
Speaker 1: wanting to send their ship through there. Their crews are
Speaker 1: worried about dying, They're worried about losing their assets, their
Speaker 1: boat and all the oil and everything like that they
Speaker 1: can't get the insurance that they need to get from
Speaker 1: the big insurance companies all based out of London, which
Speaker 1: has caused their economics to go nuts. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot there. But then this Wall Street Journal story today
Speaker 1: that Iran is exporting more than they were before the
Speaker 1: war because they control it. They can send ships through
Speaker 1: there because they know they're not going to bomb their
Speaker 1: own ships. So they're sending more oil through the Strait
Speaker 1: than they were before the war. Why are we allowing
Speaker 1: that because it would be even more disruptive to the
Speaker 1: oil market if we bombed their ships.
Speaker 2: Yes, probably, clearly. Yeah, And we don't want to start
Speaker 2: a weird tit for tat where we're gonna sink you
Speaker 2: if you try to sink any ships, but we're gonna
Speaker 2: sink a bunch of ships ourselves. Yeah, the world economy
Speaker 2: would go nuts. I think that is ironic as heck, though,
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Chris Wright is the Secretary of Energy, Okay,
Speaker 2: charming fellow doing a lovely job too, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: I'll take your word for it. Yeah. Doug Bergham again
Speaker 2: is mostly in charge of Bison's in Indian reservations. From
Speaker 2: what I understand as the Secretary of the Interior. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure why he's speaking on behalf the administration, but
Speaker 2: I don't mind it. He's fine, fellow.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: So do you know who Francis Fukiyama is? Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: He's a politicary scientist. Yeah, he made one of the
Speaker 2: worst predictions in the history of mankind, and apparently he
Speaker 2: has bounced back from his embarrassment in his writing again.
Speaker 2: And you know, I almost hesitate to bring that up,
Speaker 2: but people who recognize the name might be yelling at
Speaker 2: the radio what are you quoting him for? But I
Speaker 2: thought this is a pretty compelling piece. First, he's criticizing
Speaker 2: Donald J. For is unconditional surrender quote last week. You
Speaker 2: know I would respond, Hey, Trump says stuff and then
Speaker 2: he changes what he's going to do, and everything is
Speaker 2: strategic ambiguity with Trump. I'm not saying that's a good thing. Well,
Speaker 2: he c it would have been good if he'd communicated
Speaker 2: to the American people more clearly what our purpose was here.
Speaker 2: But it just is true about Trump. Oh oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think there'd be more support for the war if
Speaker 1: he'd brought everybody along for the ride. But he clarified
Speaker 1: either today or late yesterday what he meant by unconditional surrender,
Speaker 1: and it didn't sound like what you usually think when
Speaker 1: you think unconditional surrender. So yeah, that's a phrase with
Speaker 1: great historical weight and all. And Trump is no historian obviously.
Speaker 1: Do you know an FDR said it about Japan, which
Speaker 1: was very controversial. It was off the top of his head.
Speaker 1: He fired it off. He hadn't consulted, None of his
Speaker 1: people around him knew he was going to say that,
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 2: Like, wow, yeah, yeah. Interesting. So as much as I'd
Speaker 2: like to continue to talking about that because because it's
Speaker 2: important and fascinating, back to the Middle East, it seems
Speaker 2: to me because he says normally a smart leader in
Speaker 2: such a situation will try to lower expectations and declare
Speaker 2: an achievable objective in the war, such as degrading the
Speaker 2: better part of Iran's ability to targets to targets strike
Speaker 2: targets with ballistic missiles and drones. This would offer an
Speaker 2: opportunity for Trump to declare victory and disengage. Instead, Trump
Speaker 2: did the opposite, except he won't. He will do what
Speaker 2: you are suggesting anyway, and people will say, hey, he
Speaker 2: changed his mind on the the the unconditional surrender thing,
Speaker 2: or he didn't really mean it or whatever. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a big deal. But here's the really.
Speaker 1: The problem with unconditional surrender throughout history is it really?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really you know, a rat backed into
Speaker 1: a corner fighting for its life. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: no reason to not give it every bit of fight
Speaker 1: you've got. If your opponent is demanding unconditional surrender, it's
Speaker 1: like announcing no quarter, there will be no prisoners taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in that case, I ain't surrendering anyway. But
Speaker 2: here's where it gets more interesting. He says, the new
Speaker 2: objective of unconditional surrender suddenly raised the gold posts to
Speaker 2: an unachievable height. Again, we're not doing that. Here's the
Speaker 2: good part. There are any number of reasons for Ron
Speaker 2: not to capitulate in the first place. Oh, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: that part is stupid too. In Iran today, well again
Speaker 2: he's hung up on the unconditional surrender thing. In historical precedents,
Speaker 2: he just says, stuff of Francis, give it up. It's fine,
Speaker 2: I'll be gone by the end of the day. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about that. A second reason
Speaker 2: for thinking that surrender won't happen is that it would
Speaker 2: be exposed the regime to internal disintegration. Iran today is
Speaker 2: being ruled by force. A large part of the population
Speaker 2: hates the regime of the clerics that killed tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of protesters in January. The IRGC and the besiege,
Speaker 2: which is I mean, they got so many damned different
Speaker 2: militaries and militias and stuff that besiege are kind of
Speaker 2: internal goon squads. But there are hundreds of thousands of guys.
Speaker 2: But he writes, the IROGC and the besiege will not
Speaker 2: give up their weapons because they themselves would not survive. Oh,
Speaker 2: they'd be torn limb from limb. A final reason for
Speaker 2: not expecting unconditional surrender is that a good part of
Speaker 2: the regime can survive and continue fighting for some time
Speaker 2: to come. The air campaign has been extremely effective in
Speaker 2: going after Iran's visible military assets air defenses, ballistic missiles, drones,
Speaker 2: launch facilities, AMMO storage, military bases, and similar But the
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of individual fighters are still there and
Speaker 2: will retain some residual capacity to fight back. And again
Speaker 2: this is the part I find compelling. We've recently seen
Speaker 2: an example of what this looks like. The nearly two
Speaker 2: and a half year long war between Israel and Hamas
Speaker 2: has destroyed a huge amount of infrastructure in Gaza and
Speaker 2: is deprived Tamasa the ability to launch major attacks. But
Speaker 2: they are still there, commanding some degree of popular support
Speaker 2: and the remaining tunnels and shelters. They have not surrendered
Speaker 2: and will be a big obstacle to any attempt to
Speaker 2: rebuild guys and restore post conflict government. Gaza has a
Speaker 2: much smaller territory and Israel's been willing to enter it
Speaker 2: with ground forces. Iran, by contrast, is a very big
Speaker 2: country and has lots of places for the surviving regime
Speaker 2: to hide. It will not be possible to eliminate every
Speaker 2: missile and drone under their control, so we can expect
Speaker 2: continuing attacks on US aligned Gulf states and American facilities
Speaker 2: into the foreseeable future. The threat of a random drone
Speaker 2: strike hitting the big airline hubs in the Gulf will
Speaker 2: be economically very damaging. And you got the Straits of
Speaker 2: Horor Moves and the rest of it. So what quote
Speaker 2: unquote victory looks like, is still a really really open question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you think Trump is open for? U?
Speaker 1: What is Trump hoping for?
Speaker 2: Boy, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: It would seem pretty unrealistic to hope for any kind
Speaker 1: of moderate leader to rise up.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you wouldn't be alive.
Speaker 1: With the current structure of all the different military forces
Speaker 1: around them.
Speaker 2: Do we strike a deal with what remains the regime
Speaker 2: and say, look, these three conditions, I can't do this,
Speaker 2: that or the other, or the dogs come back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you can do. Agree.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be perfectly happy with some sort of
Speaker 1: military dictatorship taking over that says, Okay, we ain't gonna
Speaker 1: try to get a nuclear weapon, and we ain't gonna
Speaker 1: mess with the ships in the Strait, Okay, and he'd
Speaker 1: be cool, We're out. I think it's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: that from the how much support for the war is there,
Speaker 1: particularly among the Republican Party side. The Wall Street Journal
Speaker 1: editorial board is got a peace out today saying don't
Speaker 1: end this before you decimate them to the point that
Speaker 1: they can't just rebuild in a couple of years. So
Speaker 1: that's a Wall Street Journal editorial board. And then you've
Speaker 1: got Brett Stevens, the opinion writer for the New York Times, saying,
Speaker 1: here are the things that we need to do. Seize
Speaker 1: carg Island. So that's a little island there with the
Speaker 1: Strait that really puts you in control of the Strait
Speaker 1: of horror moves in their oil, particularly Iranian oil, is
Speaker 1: where you'd get you'd have so much power over Iran's
Speaker 1: oil there.
Speaker 2: And I think it's got an enormous oil facility Utah too,
Speaker 2: unless I'm thinking of a different way.
Speaker 1: It's like the key to Iranian oil is this carg Island.
Speaker 1: And Trump has been saying we should take that. Going
Speaker 1: back to nineteen seventy nine when the whole Carter hostage
Speaker 1: thing was going on, Donald Trump, billionaire playboy, was saying
Speaker 1: we need to take carg Island.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I heard it bandied about on some podcasts and everybody
Speaker 1: thought that was just crazy in a bridge too far
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. But Brett Stevens in
Speaker 1: the New York Times saying we should take carg Island.
Speaker 1: Mine's absolutely going to take Marines, I would assume, So yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of them, Yeah, mine or blockade Iran's remaining ports.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty provocative thing.
Speaker 1: Destroy as much Iranian military capabilities possible over the next
Speaker 1: week or two, including a second Midnight Hammer operation, destroy
Speaker 1: what's left of Morand's nuclear capacity and know how, and
Speaker 1: then threaten the gen regime with further bombing if it
Speaker 1: massacres its own citizens, mounts terrorist attacks anywhere, or anything
Speaker 1: like that. That's the moderate conservative Brett Stevens in the
Speaker 1: New York Times sounding more warlike than Lindsey Graham in
Speaker 1: that piece.
Speaker 2: In the New York Times. So that's Oh, I almost
Speaker 2: I almost forgot to bring up Pickaxe Mountain. You boys,
Speaker 2: don't go down to pick Axe Mountain. It's got a
Speaker 2: really old timey Western name. It's a new facility, a
Speaker 2: nuclear facility in Iran that's buried one hundred feet hundreds
Speaker 2: of feet underneath granite that they say is going to
Speaker 2: be even harder to take out than the Fodoh facility
Speaker 2: and would probably take footwear on the turf, if you will.
Speaker 2: So that might be coming up too. So back to
Speaker 2: unconditioned because to the greater point, if that facility is
Speaker 2: entirely intact, and and the and and this all settles
Speaker 2: down and then six months from now if they announced
Speaker 2: a we got a bomb, So, I mean, that would
Speaker 2: be waterly unacceptable. Wow, that'd be a yeah, that'd be
Speaker 2: something back to unconditional surrender. This is what I was
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt was asked about what unconditional surrender means in
Speaker 1: the White House press room yesterday afternoon, and she said.
Speaker 2: What the President means as because that's the way she talks.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk that way when she orders
Speaker 2: a pizza, that's how she talks. It's so obnoxious. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's a hell of an upgrade from uh KJP or whatever.
Speaker 2: That'sh sol stridens in her tone.
Speaker 1: But anyways, what the President means is that when he
Speaker 1: is Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces determines
Speaker 1: that Iran no longer poses a threat to the United
Speaker 1: States and the goals of Operation Epic Fury has been
Speaker 1: fully realized, then Iran will essentially be in a place
Speaker 1: of unconditional surrender, whether they say it themselves or not.
Speaker 1: So by that whatever, by that definition, just when we
Speaker 1: decided over they've unconditionally surrendered.
Speaker 2: They will surrender under conditions that I have not yet set.
Speaker 2: So I guess that's what it made. So yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Anybody hung up on that as a phone now, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. The oil situation is pretty
Speaker 2: damned interesting.
Speaker 1: Are we going to take that carg island and take
Speaker 1: Iran's oil and try to work out some sort of
Speaker 1: deal like you get to be a military dictatorship or
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary Guard runs the country or whatever, but we
Speaker 1: are going to control a lot of the oil.
Speaker 2: They're going to agree to that, and you got to
Speaker 2: agree to rename yourselves venez y Ran. I suppose if
Speaker 2: you bomb them enough they agree with it, because I don't.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're dead.
Speaker 1: And if you're dead, really no, you know, the percentages
Speaker 1: of oil you get don't matter that much.
Speaker 2: When you're dead. All you got is an indeterminate number
Speaker 2: of virgins. And that's kind of it. Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of liked the fact that Kobe Bryant had the
Speaker 1: second highest score in NBA history, but some guy passed
Speaker 1: him last night with eighty three points. Interesting stats about
Speaker 1: that you're a sports fan at all, and a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2: Stay here, Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Eighty three points, the second highest scoring game in NBA history.
Speaker 2: He didn't come out of the game and here from
Speaker 2: the tide and we see we went home.
Speaker 4: It just became a domino effect from there. My teammates
Speaker 4: was feeding and I was making shots. And then once
Speaker 4: I got to seventy, I was like, well as well,
Speaker 4: see how far you can get at this point, and
Speaker 4: ended up eighty three once.
Speaker 2: You got to seventy.
Speaker 1: So this gam bam ad a bio who I'd never
Speaker 1: even heard of before. And I'm a kind of an
Speaker 1: NBA fan, but he's not a household name like wil
Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Kobe Bryant obviously, who have the will if
Speaker 1: you if you're a fan of the NBA at all
Speaker 1: the low everyone knows the Lord the Wilt Chammerans scored
Speaker 1: one hundred points in a game, which it's just a
Speaker 1: stunning number. It was not a televised game, so nobody's
Speaker 1: ever seen any highlights of it. Then Kolbe, toward the
Speaker 1: end of his career, scored eighty two once and that
Speaker 1: was the secondhest. This guy last night for the Miami
Speaker 1: Heat scores eighty three points. Miami wins one fifty one
Speaker 1: twenty nine. It's a high scoring name. Wham bam, thank you, ma'am,
Speaker 1: bam at a bio. He's the center slash power forward six',
Speaker 1: nine twenty eight year. Old and here's the couple of
Speaker 1: the interesting stats if you're a fan of THE nba at.
Speaker 1: All first of, all he shot about fifty percent for
Speaker 1: the field and thirty percent from three point, land which
Speaker 1: are both good numbers and put out lots and lots of.
Speaker 1: Shots but when a guy is hitting like, that you
Speaker 1: start following him Right, well that's the. Problem so even
Speaker 1: though he's placed, center and usually centers can't shoot free
Speaker 1: throws for, crap he made thirty six of forty three
Speaker 1: free throw a. Time forty three times he went to
Speaker 1: the line and he made thirty six of.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 1: Wow so if a guy's on fire from the free from,
Speaker 1: line it doesn't god do any good to follow him
Speaker 1: because the clock is stopped and your scoring points is
Speaker 1: how thirty.
Speaker 2: Six from the, line forty seven from the field shooting Fifty.
Speaker 1: Wow, anyway those are some stunning, numbers and the team
Speaker 1: went just berzircle at the. End they were so excited
Speaker 1: to get, him you, know the second all time highest,
Speaker 1: SCORE i Mean champagne and everybody really enjoyed, it so
Speaker 1: it's it's not like The i've always really liked the
Speaker 1: bit From Adam. Sandler that was one of his first
Speaker 1: bits that got him On Johnny. Carson we back in
Speaker 1: the day about When Wilt chamberlain scored a hundred points
Speaker 1: and he's in the team. Huddles, first the team huddle
Speaker 1: for the other, Team, hey who's Got? Wilt he's, Hot
Speaker 1: and then the team huddle For wilt one of the other, Players, Hey,
Speaker 1: Wilt i'm hoping my parents are.
Speaker 2: Here could you a hundred?
Speaker 1: Points, Yeah but the teammates for this guy were not, like,
Speaker 1: Hey i'm, Hey i'm. Open they were like getting him
Speaker 1: the balls much as they could see if they could
Speaker 1: get him the.
Speaker 2: Record, yeah, yeah what if fans it was probably? Fun oh,
Speaker 2: yeah oh, yeah that'd be a. Hoot what team does
Speaker 2: he play, For Miami? Heat are they in a playoff?
Speaker 2: RUN i assume they? Are, yeah, yeah, Okay, yeah that
Speaker 2: had to be super exciting and. Fun on the same,
Speaker 2: night THE us lost To italy in The World Baseball. Classic, Italy,
Speaker 2: yeah Unless DiMaggio is still, playing that's. Outrageous italy has
Speaker 2: some major, leaguers, definitely but they're like you're you haven't
Speaker 2: heard of them unless you're a big Fan major. Leaguers
Speaker 2: where we The United states are fielding an all star
Speaker 2: team of some of the biggest names in all of the.
Speaker 2: World and we were down eight nothing to The italians
Speaker 2: last night and ended up losing and might not be
Speaker 2: we might be out of the tournament depending on How
Speaker 2: mexico does. Today, well that's why they, play you, know
Speaker 2: a seven game, series and they play one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty two games because the nature of the game of,
Speaker 2: baseball a less our team can beat a better especially
Speaker 2: with a hot. Pitcher because, right. Exactly, yeah, yeah so
Speaker 2: that's too, bad, though national humiliation during this time of
Speaker 2: war would not be.
Speaker 1: Good, yeah not good for ratings, either to lose THE
Speaker 1: us Because i'm sure they were looking forward to THE
Speaker 1: Us japan matchup. Eventually, okay we'll get into some of
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Speaker 1: News dozens of countries have agreed to release four hundred
Speaker 1: million barrels of oil from the reserves in a move
Speaker 1: to ease prices on the global oil. Market soo big
Speaker 1: release of reserve oil during the uranium.
Speaker 2: War which Helps trump out in the war. EFFORT i
Speaker 2: think Hurts, russia which is. Good so there you. Go, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't recall a major news story that had
Speaker 2: so many possible. OUTCOMES i, mean like the thing With
Speaker 2: ukraine And. RUSSIA i can come up with like three,
Speaker 2: probably but this has half a dozen of possible outcomes
Speaker 2: ANYWAY i want it to.
Speaker 1: COME i can make a transition from that to what
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about in That i'm a little
Speaker 1: tired of hearing the constant chatter of how expensive this war.
Speaker 1: Is for, instance one of the big talking points of
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours was the initial days cost
Speaker 1: five billion. Dollars, really all of a, sudden five billion,
Speaker 1: dollars gets your. Attention nine billion dollars of taxpayer money
Speaker 1: stolen In minnesota. Alone, yeah wasn't of any interest to
Speaker 1: you in a, time skull. Hawk now are you.
Speaker 2: In a tiny? State?
Speaker 1: Eight, yes but five billion of the immense defense. Budget
Speaker 1: get to your attention and that's like a headline for. You, okay,
Speaker 1: Whatever speaking of wasted. MONEY Cbs Evening news last night
Speaker 1: with a big story about all the fraud that's going
Speaker 1: on in another different.
Speaker 2: Area here we.
Speaker 6: Go sixty nine year old Doctor Lynn ioni, was according
Speaker 6: To medicare, records dying in hospice care two years, ago
Speaker 6: something she discovered when she sought physical therapy for a pickleball.
Speaker 2: Injury AND i said.
Speaker 6: What Ioni's medicare number had been stolen and used by
Speaker 6: a company to enroll her in hospice. CARE A Cbs
Speaker 6: news investigation found an industry ripe for, fraud especially In.
Speaker 6: California companies accused of overbilling real patients denied care and
Speaker 6: it's costing hundreds of millions of taxpayer. DOLLARS Cbs news
Speaker 6: analyzed every hospice licensed In La, county more than seventeen,
Speaker 6: hundred and checked for the same warning signs the state
Speaker 6: used in an audit of the, industry like multiple hospices
Speaker 6: packed into one, building or caregivers whose patients suppose the
Speaker 6: death store are discharged.
Speaker 1: Alive and that's just In La. County and why CAN
Speaker 1: cbs news do? That but you, know no government auditor
Speaker 1: can for some, reason you, know compare you look at
Speaker 1: a building in the, air then you realize what there's
Speaker 1: like dozens of these rehab clinics. HERE i find that
Speaker 1: hard to believe because they don't. Care that's exactly. Right
Speaker 1: that's why they don't. Care there's more to this.
Speaker 2: Story three years, Ago california state, auditor which is surprising
Speaker 2: that the state auditor would do anything At, california sounded
Speaker 2: the alarm That La county had seen a fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: percent increase in hospice companies since twenty, ten so a dozen,
Speaker 2: years fifteen times as many hospice, companies more than six
Speaker 2: times the national average relative to its elderly.
Speaker 1: Population, well that's like when they were grilling what's the
Speaker 1: bald headed governor Of Minnesota Walls Tim walls the other
Speaker 1: day about there was a one hundred and fifty percent
Speaker 1: increase in a year in various kinds of autism, clinics,
Speaker 1: right and, like in one, year come, On Wall Street
Speaker 1: journal had a big story about the autism therapy, thing
Speaker 1: and how what a big chunk of medicaid fraud that. Is,
Speaker 1: like it's a, giant giant industry where all kinds of
Speaker 1: people are. Well sometimes people that don't even exist are
Speaker 1: getting getting.
Speaker 2: Money, yeah, yeah so the boom and autism therapy Is
Speaker 2: medicaid's fastest growing. Jackpot companies have found lucrative opportunities to
Speaker 2: capitalize on a growing, need billing long, hours extracting payments
Speaker 2: as high as eight hundred dollars an. Hour here's this
Speaker 2: cute midwestern. Gal she looks to Be the age is
Speaker 2: probably in here. Somewhere there's certainly no more than forties young.
Speaker 2: Woman she first launched her autism therapy business in twenty.
Speaker 2: Nineteen let me do some quick math for. You it's
Speaker 2: like six seven years, Ago Max, Okay and she took
Speaker 2: An she took aim at an unlikely source of, Profit
Speaker 2: indiana's taxpayer Funded medicaid program public insurance system for the.
Speaker 2: Poor worth noting before we even dive into, This indiana
Speaker 2: has cleaned up their act a lot under their. Governor
Speaker 2: they are a case study in nipping this crap in
Speaker 2: the bud as opposed to Like minnesota Or. California but
Speaker 2: having said, that here's what it looks like in. Now
Speaker 2: she founded this thing in twenty. Nineteen in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: three the state Paid Miss mitchell's, company piece by Piece
Speaker 2: Autism centers twenty nine million dollars in a year to
Speaker 2: provide therapy to just eighty four. Patients that's about three
Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars per, child which surpassed What
Speaker 2: Indiana medicaid typically spends in a year treating a newly
Speaker 2: diagnosed lung cancer patient or covering a year of twenty
Speaker 2: four hour nursing home. Care but it all got by
Speaker 2: because nobody gives a crap about tax payer. Dollars reimbursements
Speaker 2: were as high as six hundred and forty dollars an
Speaker 2: hour for routine therapy that can be administered by workers
Speaker 2: with little more than a high school. Diploma its highest
Speaker 2: payments were more than ten times higher than the nation's,
Speaker 2: average but nobody. Cares she just submitted these, gigantic breathtaking
Speaker 2: bills and they kept getting. Paid Unbelievable mitchell said her
Speaker 2: company complied With indiana's rules and the state never objected
Speaker 2: to her. Prices, quote and this is the WOMAN i
Speaker 2: don't think In indiana really had any oversight or not,
Speaker 2: much Said, mitchell who bought a series of, properties including
Speaker 2: a two and a half million dollar home On Florida's
Speaker 2: Santa Belle island and a six hundred thousand dollars waterfront
Speaker 2: house on The Tippecanoe river In indiana while her company's
Speaker 2: medicaid billings.
Speaker 1: Soared so are there little autistic kids who are actually
Speaker 1: getting paired getting care and they're incredibly stressed out parents
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to deal with the.
Speaker 2: Situation they don't make that. Clear the hallmark of the
Speaker 2: minnesot To somali, scandal it wasn't All, somali's but a
Speaker 2: lot was that the kids either didn't exist or didn't have.
Speaker 2: Autism there are kickbacks to the, parents that sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing this appears to be just an entrepreneur Saying i'm
Speaker 2: gonna follow all the, rules But i'm gonna bill them
Speaker 2: just ridiculous amounts and see if they'll pay. It and
Speaker 2: the answer yes they.
Speaker 1: WILL i don't, KNOW i don't know Where i'd draw
Speaker 1: the line on that. ONE i, mean at some point
Speaker 1: you're ripping people. Off but IF i send IF i
Speaker 1: send it in paperwork Says i'm now charging eight hundred dollars an,
Speaker 1: hour and you just send me back a.
Speaker 2: CHECK i hear, YOU i hear. You. So The Wall
Speaker 2: Street journal analyzed provider's payments per patient as well as
Speaker 2: the overall number of hours per. Patient blah blah. Blah
Speaker 2: many providers in, nationwide nationwide build a high number of
Speaker 2: hours of therapy for nearly every. Patient experts said that
Speaker 2: their's pe plan should be tailored to individual children's needs
Speaker 2: and the numbers should. Vary but this one autism treatment
Speaker 2: plant In, seattle it's a program run Through Seattle Children's,
Speaker 2: hospital said she never recommends forty hours per. Week but,
Speaker 2: no of course. Not now that would be a lot
Speaker 2: of journal analysis. Build let's see In, Indiana, Minnesota, Colorado,
Speaker 2: Colorado Slowdown. Joe In florida, alone sixty one different autism
Speaker 2: therapy companies out of about eleven, hundred build an average
Speaker 2: of thirty more hours or thirty or more hours of
Speaker 2: weekly therapy per child in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Three if you've ever had a kid that had do
Speaker 1: any kind of. Therapy that's not the numbers you. Have
Speaker 1: unless you've got a profoundly autistic or injured, Kid you're
Speaker 1: not doing thirty to forty hours worth of.
Speaker 2: ANYTHING i, mean it would just be. Unworkable Private equity
Speaker 2: back To Action Behavior, centers one of the LARGEST us,
Speaker 2: providers Build Colorado's medicaid program for some of the most
Speaker 2: hours propation of any. Provider its children received an average
Speaker 2: of thirty three hours of therapy a, week with more
Speaker 2: than three quarters getting full time, therapy and at least one.
Speaker 2: Week action received eighteen million dollars In medicaid payments from
Speaker 2: the state that.
Speaker 1: Year so the problem with a lot of this is
Speaker 1: you can't get people to care enough to get any
Speaker 1: momentum to hold anybody to. Account nobody ever pays a
Speaker 1: price for this, stuff very very few and the only,
Speaker 1: way there's only one single way you can stop this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff from, happening and it's you don't give
Speaker 1: the government the money in the first.
Speaker 2: Place that's the only thing you can.
Speaker 1: Do, now how you work that out with the fact
Speaker 1: that there are kids with autism and they do need,
Speaker 1: care and we do have a safety net that takes
Speaker 1: care of them without letting it get out of. HAND
Speaker 1: i don't, know but if you send them less, money
Speaker 1: there's less opportunity to steal.
Speaker 2: It, yeah true. Enough and if you see a seven
Speaker 2: hundred percent increase in a particular sort of expenditure in
Speaker 2: a year or, two that ought to be a red. Flag,
Speaker 2: yeah nobody cares about. That in a closely related, story
Speaker 2: a couple of, democratics democratic politicians with the hots for
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Speaker 2: Old spartacus, guy let's, Say Corey. Booker their big plan
Speaker 2: for quote unquote affordability is to further narrow the tax.
Speaker 2: Pool grant no federal income tax to people who make
Speaker 2: up to x thousand dollars a, year and it's a
Speaker 2: lot higher than it is right. Now so they want
Speaker 2: to get even fewer people who give a single s
Speaker 2: about how tax money.
Speaker 1: Spent, well we've got the tax we've got the tax
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Speaker 1: show who we've had on, many many, times writing about taxes,
Speaker 1: Today and What joe is just talking about narrowing the tax,
Speaker 1: space presuming that wealthy voters aren't going to vote with
Speaker 1: their feet and re locate to avoid owner's taxes in
Speaker 1: today's post pandemic society is foolish politically and as a
Speaker 1: matter of public. Policy what is he responding to the
Speaker 1: news That Howard schultz is Leaving. Seattle he Started starbucks,
Speaker 1: company he became incredibly. Rich seattle is his. Home he's
Speaker 1: a big, entrepreneur he's a star. There he's leaving the
Speaker 1: same day that the legislature In washington passed a nine
Speaker 1: point nine percent state tax on income over a million
Speaker 1: dollars a. Year they currently have zero sales to or state,
Speaker 1: tax zero state, tax but now they're going to have
Speaker 1: nine point nine percent on all income over a million
Speaker 1: dollars a. Year and the richest, GUY i don't know
Speaker 1: if he's the richest guy In, seattle but he's got
Speaker 1: to be in the running is Saying.
Speaker 2: I'm out and he's moving To. Florida unless my math is.
Speaker 2: Incorrect if you make a million dollars a, year first of, all. Congratulations,
Speaker 2: secondly that's one hundred thousand dollars tax increase all of a,
Speaker 2: sudden if ONLY i make a million dollars a. Year,
Speaker 2: yeah so, yeah above. It, yeah that's. Something that's.
Speaker 1: Something and, again As David drucker, said you think that
Speaker 1: rich people are just gonna stick, around aw. SHUCKS i
Speaker 1: Guess i'll have to pay the five percent billionaire tax
Speaker 1: In california or the ten percent new millionaire tax In washington,
Speaker 1: Whoever and that people aren't gonna?
Speaker 2: Leave what is your thinking? THERE i could afford to
Speaker 2: live anywhere On, earth, potologist write a check for one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand or more To Washington state or.
Speaker 1: Think, yeah your good. Point these people are more mobile
Speaker 1: than the rest of. Us he just, bought, actually we
Speaker 1: know what he, Bought. Schultz he just bought a forty
Speaker 1: four million dollar pit house at the Surf club at
Speaker 1: The Four Seasons Private residents In. Miami i'm looking at,
Speaker 1: it and it looks pretty damn nice with a pretty cool.
Speaker 2: View i'll bet it.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah but now people of his wealth can, say
Speaker 1: AND i, Want i'll come back and visit ANYTIME i
Speaker 1: want in a private.
Speaker 2: Plane But i'm out of. Here my final note on,
Speaker 2: this And i'd love to talk about this more, later
Speaker 2: is the edgemacation you get in, life BECAUSE i remember
Speaker 2: studying politics and political systems ages go in, college and
Speaker 2: and everybody approaches it as if people are, rational as
Speaker 2: if voters are, rational for, instance and have reasonably good.
Speaker 2: Information Just i'm going to read you a sentence from
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Speaker 2: surging In, europe especially among of, course young, voters and
Speaker 2: they highlight for a moment here The Green party In.
Speaker 2: Britain it wants to nationalize, utilities legalize, drugs withdraw FROM,
Speaker 2: nato welcome all asylum, seekers heavily tax private, landlords and
Speaker 2: of course they're deeply critical Of israel's military actions In.
Speaker 2: Gaza there you, Go so you're going to tax the
Speaker 2: crap out of, landlords that'll free up some, housing and
Speaker 2: withdraw FROM. Nato these people are freaking, insane and yet
Speaker 2: they're getting growing.
Speaker 1: Support in emoji, News Coming up has dropped eight new,
Speaker 1: emojis and as always, happens it comes with an apology
Speaker 1: for one of the.
Speaker 2: Emojis what that other stuff on the. Way So Joe.
Speaker 1: Rogan came out pretty hard against the Warn iran. YESTERDAY
Speaker 1: i don't know how much that matters he's a pretty influential.
Speaker 1: GUY i don't know how much he REPRESENTS, maga but
Speaker 1: he Said trump ran on no more stupid wars and
Speaker 1: now we're in.
Speaker 2: One so that's his. Take and AGAIN i don't know
Speaker 2: how much OF maga that. Represents no. Idea, yeah he
Speaker 2: came off as a guy who just doesn't know much
Speaker 2: about the topic and is.
Speaker 1: Mystified eight new emojis just dropped From, apple including one
Speaker 1: controversial icon that prompted apology From.
Speaker 2: Apple oh, No.
Speaker 1: I've never used an emoji Because i'm a grown. Up
Speaker 1: but they've got eight new. Emojis how many emojis there are?
Speaker 1: Now there's like a, lot, right? Hundreds eight new ones
Speaker 1: that were. Approved this is the PART i. Like this
Speaker 1: is the Reason i'm bringing up that were approved by
Speaker 1: The Unicode. Consortium oh, Okay i'd like to be involved in.
Speaker 1: THAT i would be. Fun meetings you go into and
Speaker 1: somebody puts an emoji up, there and then you argue
Speaker 1: about whether or not it should be on the, iPhone
Speaker 1: and then you have a.
Speaker 2: VOTE i would do.
Speaker 1: IT a guy with a what about the one eyed
Speaker 1: how are they gonna feel about?
Speaker 2: This you? Know and that sort of. Thing what about seafaring.
Speaker 2: Marauders they don't. Like it's a, culture not a, costume,
Speaker 2: right that sort of. Thing so here are your new
Speaker 2: emojis that you'll be able to use however you. Want ballet,
Speaker 2: dancer you think you needed that?
Speaker 1: Now and then that looks like a, guy just to
Speaker 1: let you. Know, oh, okay d the leotard Trombone joe'll
Speaker 1: be able to drop that, One. Dow and then, sorry
Speaker 1: SORRY i couldn't take your.
Speaker 2: CALL i was.
Speaker 1: Busy and then you got your trombone. EMOJI i think
Speaker 1: it's probably more. Used is like a sad.
Speaker 2: Trombone that's What i'm guessing you would use that emoji For.
Speaker 2: Katie you buy?
Speaker 1: That, yeah, sure treasure, chest fight cloud kind of like
Speaker 1: looks like from the Old Looney tunes when they get
Speaker 1: in a. Fight it's just like whoa, okay dust flying
Speaker 1: orc of the, whale a, Landslide harry creature look Like
Speaker 1: Harry creature looks to Be.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot IF i used, EMOJIS i might use that. ONE
Speaker 2: i don't know for.
Speaker 1: What but and then a distorted face which is somehow,
Speaker 1: controversial AND i couldn't finish the paragraph that explained why
Speaker 1: because it was boring me too. MUCH i gave up
Speaker 1: with the pregnant man when they released that.
Speaker 2: One oh do they still have that on? There? Oh
Speaker 2: yes they do. Do, yeah Because i've gone to see
Speaker 2: The apple and men can't get. Pregnant well according To
Speaker 2: Apple joe they. Can, well well they, can't is the.
Speaker 2: Thing so that one got by the if you ACCIDENTALLY
Speaker 2: i interrupted, you if you accidentally sent the pregnant man? Emoji,
Speaker 2: katy you KNOW i.
Speaker 1: HAVE i really would like to be on The Unicode.
Speaker 1: Consortium let me on. There i'd love to sit around
Speaker 1: and argue about various emojis all day. Long sounds like
Speaker 1: a good. Idea and then all the different. Faces And
Speaker 1: i've had to regularly do this where somebody sends me
Speaker 1: an emoji And i'm, LIKE i don't know what they're
Speaker 1: trying to tell. Me SO i take the emoji and
Speaker 1: paste it On google and say what the hell does this?
Speaker 1: Mean and then it explains it to.
Speaker 2: Me there's the pregnant, man or maybe he just drinks
Speaker 2: a lot of, beer got a food, Baby.
Speaker 1: Because like the basic faces where you got the two
Speaker 1: eyes with the straight mouth or the slightly downcurved mouth
Speaker 1: with the downcurve mouth but the big, eyes or the
Speaker 1: downcurve mouth with the closed, eyes or the downturned mouth
Speaker 1: but the eyebrows. RAISED i, mean those are all very subtle, variations, Right.
Speaker 2: AND i don't know what you're trying to tell. Me
Speaker 2: SEE i, do, though And katie. DOES i wonder if
Speaker 2: you have like some sort of deficit for that sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing maybe one, skeptical the other's mildly, disappointed and the.
Speaker 2: Others you, KNOW i don't remember the list you just. Right,
Speaker 2: well they're so SMALL i can barely see him anyway
Speaker 2: to hold my phone out, here and you're. BLIND i
Speaker 2: ain't ever tell what that.
Speaker 1: Is why don't you use words like we started doing
Speaker 1: ABOUT i don't know a million years. Ago explain to
Speaker 1: me what you were thinking about me in? Words are
Speaker 1: your eyes closed or? OPEN i don't know what's going on?
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