1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only, 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors and associates. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: We would like to encourage you to do your own 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron and we're 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: going to be doing our second show without a guest today, 17 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: and we're going to revisit this idea of whether or 18 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: not intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, or more importantly, 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: whether or not it's been here. I'll bet these two 20 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: burning questions have been in the human imagination since we 21 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: very first developed rational thought. Let's start with our universe. 22 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Current astronomical estimates suggest that our galaxy alone may contain 23 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: up to two hundred billion planets. Of those, they say, 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: roughly sixty billion are thought to be in what scientists 25 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: are calling the habitable zone, the region where liquid water 26 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: could potentially exist on the surface. And even that definition 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: is being very conservative because it assumes life must resemble 28 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: us chemically. Scientists openly acknowledge that there may be forms 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: of life that we haven't yet discovered or don't yet understand. Obviously, 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: this is all speculative, but just for sake of argument, 31 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and really as a thought experiment, just for fun, not 32 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: as any statistical claim. Let's be extremely conservative. Let's say 33 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: the odds of intelligent technological life developing on one of 34 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: these habitable zone planets is only a one in a 35 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: million chance. That would still give us roughly sixty thousand 36 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: potential intelligent civilizations just in our galaxy alone. Based on 37 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: deep space observation from the Hubble Space Telescope, NASA has 38 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: estimated that the observable universe contains on the order of 39 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: two trillion galaxies. If we apply that same conservative, albeit 40 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: very rough math across that scale, we arrive at approximately 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty quadrillian planets that could potentially host 42 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: intelligent life similar to ours. That's one hundred and twenty, 43 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: followed by fifteen zeros. Our brains are not even wired 44 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: to intuitively grasp exponential scales like that, And again, this 45 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: estimate excludes entirely different forms of life that may not 46 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: be carbon based, may not use biology the way we do, 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: or may not even occupy reality in the way we 48 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: currently define it. Quantum mechanics has speculative theories about dimensions 49 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: existing in the many many world's theory, but let's just 50 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: set all that aside for now. Then there's the notion 51 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: of time. Again, we have to think at cosmic scales. 52 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: These are order of magnitude estimates, not exact counts. The 53 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: math doesn't prove anything, but it makes the question harder 54 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: to ignore. The Earth is approximately four and a half 55 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: billion years old. Anatomically modern humans have existed for roughly 56 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand years, whereas human civilizations with writing and 57 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: cities and organized societies that's only been around for about 58 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: six thousand years, which would mean that humans have existed 59 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: for only point zero zero six percent of Earth's history. 60 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Civilized humans have only been around for point zero zero 61 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: zero one percent of Earth's existence, and technologically advanced humans 62 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: is even less if we generously define that as beginning. 63 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: Let's say when we had widespread electricity. That's only been 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five years, so hardly a blip 65 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: in Earth's overall lifespan. On the other hand, the universe 66 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: itself was about thirteen point eight billion years old, and 67 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: many planets formed billions of years before the Earth did, 68 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: some by as much as nine billion years. That would 69 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: give any other developing civilization a massive jump on technological development. 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: When you consider how exponential technological growth becomes once it 71 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: gets going, you can easily see how far ahead the 72 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: potential becomes. Just two hundred years ago, we had no electricity, 73 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: no computers, no phones, no cars, no planes, nothing. Considering 74 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: what has developed in just those last two hundred years, 75 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: you can imagine where we might be in another two 76 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: hundred years or a thousand years. If we make it 77 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: that far, of course, it will surely be unrecognizable from today. 78 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: It's easy to imagine how civilization with just a thousand 79 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: year technological headstart could be way ahead of us in 80 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: terms of capabilities. What seemed impossible to us two hundred 81 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 1: years ago is commonplace today. Shoving an iPhone to someone 82 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: two hundred years ago would have been beyond their comprehension. 83 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: It's easy to imagine that a civilization with just a 84 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: thousand year headstart could possess technologies that would appear impossible 85 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: or even magical to us today. They wouldn't need a 86 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: nine billion year head start. In fact, they've probably had 87 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: civilizations that have developed, blown themselves up, and started over. 88 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Just a slight head start could make a massive order 89 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: of magnitude difference, and they potentially do have a huge 90 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: head start, since many of these formed billions of years 91 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: before the Earth did. This matters because we often assume 92 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: a technological parody for some reason, but history shows us 93 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: that even a small timing advantage can create a massive 94 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: capability gap. So at this stage, the math strongly suggests 95 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: that life, and possibly intelligent life, exists elsewhere, which leads 96 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: us to the next question. Has any of this intelligent 97 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: life ever visited Earth? The odds here are longer, but 98 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: certainly not zero. Given enough time and sufficient technology interstellar 99 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: or even interdimensional. Perhaps travel may be possible, And importantly, 100 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: we should not assume that visitation would necessarily be from 101 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: a biological being. AI controlled probes, a post biological intelligence, 102 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: or other forms of intelligence that we don't yet understand 103 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: may be far more likely. As we enter the digital 104 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: age and begin developing artificial intelligence ourselves, it's reasonable to 105 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: assume that other advanced civilizations might follow a similar trajectory. 106 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: It also seems far more logical to send AI in 107 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the space rather than human beings. AI doesn't need food, 108 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: rest oxygen, It doesn't get sick, it doesn't age, it 109 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: doesn't die, It can learn, adapt, transmit data continuously. We 110 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: are already seeing the emergence of artificial general intelligence, which 111 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: has systems with broader cognitive abilities comparable to human intelligence, 112 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: and we are now seeing early to discussions of artificial superintelligence, 113 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: which would surpass even the best human minds across many fields. 114 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: At this point, it's also worth acknowledging a limitation that 115 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: of science's limitation. Science is optimized to study repeatable, controllable phenomenon. 116 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: If something is rare, intelligent, evasive, or consciousness mediated, it 117 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: may not present itself in a way that fits cleanly 118 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: into a laboratory standard or easy to study. It doesn't 119 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: mean that it's not real, It just makes it very 120 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: difficult to study. Finally, there's the question of appearance. Would 121 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: et look like us? It's interesting that the most well 122 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: known image of a quote unquote alien is the gray, 123 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: which looks eerily similar to humans. Is that definitively what 124 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: they would look like? Given the diversity of life here 125 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: on Earth, with over two million species identified and perhaps 126 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: another eight million suspected, none of which looks like us 127 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: at all, it feels unlikely that extraterrestrial life would closely 128 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: resemble humans. Not to mention, we appear to be the 129 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: only life form here on Earth to develop advanced technological intelligence. 130 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting how the Grays, Nordics, and other alien life 131 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: forms that contact ease report are most often so similar 132 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: to us, which I suppose is possible since they share 133 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the same similar chemistry that we have and exist in 134 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: the same universe that we do. Or another reason may 135 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: be looking at this through the ancient alien's lens, if 136 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: they somehow seated us or played a role in our 137 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: DNA's development, or perhaps the idea of panspermia would also 138 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: explain this. Otherwise, that similarity feels unlikely given the diversity 139 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: just here on Earth. Even their size is often reported 140 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,479 Speaker 1: as roughly human scale. Again, that doesn't even happen consistently 141 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: on Earth. This is why we should be very cautious 142 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: about projecting our own expectations onto these non human intelligences. 143 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to take a look 144 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: at UFO sightings. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the 145 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We 146 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: are back on Beyond Contact and now I'd like to 147 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: take a look at UFO and UAP sightings. This is 148 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: a bit tougher because we don't necessarily have hard numbers 149 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: to go off of. Instead, we rely on multiple civilian 150 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: and governmental reporting systems. There are organizations such as the 151 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Mutual UFO Network, the National UFO Reporting Center, and the 152 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Center for UFO Studies. They've all categorized and catalog reports 153 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: for decades. More recently, governmental entities such as ARROW and 154 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: NASA have begun accepting reports for military pilots and aviation 155 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: professionals as well. Cheryl and Linda Costa's incredible book UFO 156 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Sightings Desk Reference United States of America two thousand and 157 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: one through twenty twenty has documented over one hundred and 158 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: sixty seven thousand reported sightings in just that twenty year period. 159 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: That averages out to roughly eight thousand reports per year 160 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: in the United States alone. If we included all the 161 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: other reporting systems, you could come up with a conservative 162 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: estimate that would be around let's say, fifteen thousand reports 163 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: cited annually. But reporting rates themselves are extremely low. Researchers 164 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: consistently estimate that only around five up to maybe fifteen 165 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: percent of sightings are ever even reported. This is something 166 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: that comes up repeatedly at UFO conferences when you ask 167 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: a large audience how many people have seen something anomalous. 168 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: Often half the room raises their hand. Then you ask 169 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: them how many reported it, and a very small fraction do. 170 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Pilots and law enforcement officers are even less likely to 171 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: report sightings due to the stigma, the career risk, and 172 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: the lack of incentives. Aviation safety expert doctor Todd Curtis 173 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: has documented this extensively. Many pilots have said there's simply 174 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: no upside to reporting a UFO. Therefore, if we assume 175 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: that let's say fifteen thousand reported sightings represent roughly ten 176 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: percent of actual sightings. That suggests around one hundred and 177 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: fifty thousand sightings a year just to the United States alone. 178 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: The United States alone is about four and a half 179 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: percent of the world's total populations, So if you wanted 180 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: to extrapolate that out, we could multiply one hundred and 181 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: fifty thouds by say twenty two, and that would get 182 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: us around three point three million sightings annually worldwide. Let's 183 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: keep this even simpler and super super conservative. Instead of 184 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: that actual number times twenty two, let's just say four 185 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: times the US number, So that would be about six 186 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: hundred thousand worldwide sightings per year. If we just used 187 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: that just for fun as our guestimate number. Then, taken 188 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: over the last eighty year period from nineteen forty five 189 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five, that would amount to roughly forty 190 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: eight million total anomalist sightings worldwide over that period using 191 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: this conservative framework. To be clear, this does not mean 192 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: forty eight million alien craft were seen. It simply means 193 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: that forty eight million anomalies were witnessed somewhere at some 194 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: time by somebody over the last eighty years, the vast 195 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: majority of which are certainly mundane. But once you have 196 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: such a large data set, the question flips. It's no 197 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: longer whether most cases are mundane, it's whether all of 198 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: them are. Back to the one in a million chance 199 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: thought experiment we were talking about, even then, you'd still 200 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: have about forty eight potential legitimate cases. If there's forty 201 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: eight million potential sightings, then we have forty eight in 202 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: the one million chance idea. If even this tiny fraction 203 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: of that enormous data set represents something real or extraordinary, 204 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: then we have something. And this isn't even including USOS 205 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: underwatercraft sightings, which are also quite numerous as well. Today 206 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: we also get many reports from trained observers, including those 207 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: military pilots, along with multiple sensor systems are infrared and 208 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: visual confirmations. Given this extremely large number of sightings, especially 209 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: from highly credible military pilots and officials, it becomes more 210 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: plausible that at least a percentage of these cases could 211 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: be of non human origins, just as the witnesses claim. 212 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Even if it's that one in a million number, we 213 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: still have forty eight Beyond just sightings, we have another 214 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: area worth exploring, that of alleged UFO crash retrieval cases. 215 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: The Roswell case alone has such an enormous amount of 216 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: evidence and first person accounts that fit together in a 217 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: consistent narrative that includes a dozen deathbed or posthumous confessions 218 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: from military associated witnesses. I find these particularly compelling. Why 219 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: would a military officer or a military official leave a 220 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: statement only to be opened upon their death saying that 221 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: they saw craft, that they saw a body, and explaining 222 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: in their letter that they wanted to do this because 223 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: they wanted their grandchildren to know that we are not alone. 224 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: That's compelling. Why would someone do that? There are also 225 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: accounts from researchers, including Don Schmidt, of interviewing Roswell witnesses 226 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: who physically broke down crying, saying I have not spoke 227 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: about this in over fifty years. That's compelling as well, 228 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: and I don't think all of these witnesses should be 229 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: just disregarded out of hand. Another famous case is the 230 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Rendilscham Forest incident, which involved US military intelligence personnel, contemporaneous notes, 231 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: real time audio recordings, and an official military memo written 232 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and submitted at the time of the event, again all 233 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: very compelling. There are many cases like this, involving extensive 234 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: documentation and multiple eyewitnesses. There's also research by Ryan S. 235 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: Wood who, in his book The Magic Guy's Only Earth's 236 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology, he has cataloged over one hundred 237 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: alleged crash retrieval cases. Then we have organizations like Skywatcher 238 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: co founded by Jake Barbera and James Fowler. They have 239 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: developed a system for detecting and tracking UFOs. They even 240 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: claim they have been able to summon vehicles using a 241 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: signaling system and believe their operations could expand our knowledge. 242 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: We also have first person accounts of both UFO sightings 243 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: and alleged direct contact experiences. These are certainly not proof, 244 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: but I find it worth noting that the volume of 245 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: these accounts and the credibility of many of them makes 246 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: it very hard to believe that these are all hoaxers 247 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: or liars, or just trying to make money. By the way, 248 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: very few people make any money off of their accounts. 249 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: In fact, most have had their lives flipped upside down 250 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: after having such an experience and coming forward. Of course, 251 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: all of this takes place in our tiny sliver of 252 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: time on Earth, and within the period when we're technologically 253 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: advanced enough to look outward, it's entirely possible. In fact, 254 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: perhaps mathematically even more likely than another civilization swung by Earth, 255 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: say three hundred thousand years ago, or even earlier, before 256 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens even began to evolve, let alone developed society 257 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: six thousand years ago. Meanwhile, public openness to these possibilities 258 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: is certainly growing. A recent News Nation poll found that 259 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: sixty three percent of respondents believe the US government has 260 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: more information about extraterrestrial life than it's shared publicly. In 261 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, there was a Pew Research study that 262 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: found about sixty five percent of Americans believe intelligent life 263 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: exists on other planet. This actually feels low because the 264 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: scientific community has much higher numbers than that. A Gallup 265 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: poll from twenty twenty one reported that one percent of 266 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: US adults believe some UFOs involve alien spacecraft, and a 267 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: u Goov poll from twenty twenty five found that twenty 268 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: one percent of Americans believe that they have personally seen 269 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: something that they thought was a UFO. This is a 270 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: really really high number, and again, ninety nine point nine 271 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: percent of them surely did not see a craft controlled 272 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: by a non human intelligence unless it was one of 273 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: our artificial intelligence systems. And finally, a u GOV poll 274 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty five also showed that forty seven percent 275 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: of Americans believe that aliens may have visited Earth. When 276 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: you talk about this out in the world, it doesn't 277 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: feel like half the country believes aliens have visited Earth. 278 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: But that's what that poll shows. When we come back, 279 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: we're going to look closer at these alleged alien encounters. 280 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 281 00:19:54,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 282 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Beyond Contact. Another idea that ties into this involves people 283 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: who claim to have had a direct contact with various 284 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: types of aliens. There are credible cases from credible people 285 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: that make a compelling argument that something anomalous, something we 286 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: don't yet understand, is happening. Much like UFO sightings, the 287 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: vast majority of people who claim to have had an 288 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: experience with non human entities never report them. These people 289 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: often have their lives affected in very negative ways. It 290 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: is extremely difficult to handle such a profound paradigm shift, 291 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: and beyond that, there is the stigma and the frustration 292 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: of not being believed. This can lead to job loss, divorce, depression, 293 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: and other serious consequences. Yet the sheer number of people 294 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: making these claims becomes compelling in its own right. Still 295 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: very difficult to get a precise handle on how many 296 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: people have reported such experiences. One place to look for 297 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: such insight is among hypnotherapists who work regularly with claimed abductees. 298 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: David M. Jacobs is one of the best known researchers 299 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: in this area, and he has repeatedly speculated that approximately 300 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: two percent of the US population may have had a 301 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: contact experience. He arrives at this estimate by extrapolating from 302 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety one roper Pole which found that roughly 303 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: two to four percent of adults reported experiences consistent with 304 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: abduction related criteria such as missing time, experiencing paralysis, or 305 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: unusual bodily marks. He also noted that many abductees are 306 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: not even aware that they were abducted. It is common 307 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: for individuals to have no conscious memory of the event. 308 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: Sometimes a trigger later in life will remind them or 309 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: nudge them towards getting a hypnotic regression, where then the 310 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: details of the encounter are often reared called. Now, if 311 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: we take doctor Jacob's two percent figure and apply it 312 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: to the world population, you get a number on the 313 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: order of a one hundred and sixty million people. To 314 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: be clear, that global extrapolation is just illustrative, not empirical 315 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. Jacob's estimate is a 316 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: US based number, and there's certainly no scientifically valid way 317 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: to assume the same rate applies worldwide, or to even 318 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: know if his number is even accurate to begin with. 319 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: But we just wanted a place to jump off. This 320 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: was about the best number I could find. Still, if 321 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: we use that just for our thought experiment and go 322 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: back to the one in a million chance framing of everything, 323 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that would suggest that one hundred and sixty real contact 324 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: the experiences have taken place. We also have the work 325 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: of doctor John Mack, the Polisher Prize winning psychiatrist and 326 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: longtime Harvard Medical School professor, who publicly leaned into the 327 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: idea that the contact experience as were not rare. Nova's 328 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: coverage of his work explicitly pointed viewers to pulling data 329 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: implying that millions of people may be connected to abduction claims. 330 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: Although it's very difficult for many of us to take 331 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: every alleged extraterrestrial encounter at face value, I have yet 332 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: to hear a compelling alternative explanation for why so many 333 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: people claim to have had such experiences. Back in the 334 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: late nineteen eighties, doctor John Mack actually set out to 335 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: answer that very question. He began his research with an 336 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: explicitly skeptical mindset, assuming he would uncover some form of psychopathology. 337 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: He initially expected to find that alleged abductees would exhibit 338 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: one or more of the following psychosis or latent schizophrenia, 339 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: disassociative identity disorder, fantasy prone or highly suggestive personalities, trauma 340 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: induced false memories, cultural cognition driven by science fiction narratives. 341 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: But what he actually found, after conducting an in depth 342 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: interview with over two hundred experiences, often repeatedly over many 343 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: many years, was quite different. What he actually found was 344 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: that there was no evidence of mental illness, that the 345 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: claimants were psychologically stable, that they were functioning normally in 346 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: their careers and families and society, and they were all 347 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: free of psychosis, delusional disorder, and schizophrenia. In standard clinical evaluations, 348 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: they tested indistinguishably from control populations. Mack repeatedly stated that 349 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: these are not people who are psychotic or delusional. He 350 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: also noted that their experiences were internally consistent and cross 351 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: cultural without prior exposure to UFO literature. The subjects often 352 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: reported highly similar beings comparable per recurrent themes such as 353 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: medical examination, paralysis, and missing time. They also had similar 354 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: emotional reactions, including terror, awe, and ontological shock. These patterns 355 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: appeared consistently regardless of age, educational level, religion, or nationality, 356 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: which is very similar to what doctor David Jacobs had 357 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: found as well. Although Mack never claimed these experiences proved 358 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: extraterrustrial visitation in a literal nuts in both sense, he 359 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: did conclude the following the trauma response matched genuine lived experience, 360 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: not fantasy. The experiences were real to the experiencers, that 361 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: they represented encounters with an external intelligence or agency, that 362 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: the phenomenon appeared to operate in a non ordinary reality, 363 00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: overlapping mind matter and consciousness, and Western material list frameworks 364 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: were insufficient to fully explain it. So if these people 365 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: were not all crazy. Then perhaps something anomalousts could really 366 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: be happening. Interestingly, most witnesses and experiencers readily admit that 367 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: they don't know what it is. They don't claim to 368 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: fully understand what they saw or experienced, but that does 369 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: not mean it wasn't real or anomalous. At the very least, 370 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: there appears to be enough anomalous activity here to warrant 371 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: serious scientific investigation, along with an open mind from all 372 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: of us. Clearly, something is occurring that remains beyond our 373 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: current understanding. We may be on the cusp of yet 374 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: another major paradigm shift. This phenomenon might involve aliens traveling 375 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: here from another planet, or possibly aliens originating from another dimension. 376 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: Could be spiritual or non physical beings from another realm. 377 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: Could be crypto terrestrial that evolved alongside us on Earth 378 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: but remained hidden from humanity. Future humans could be returning 379 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: back to our time. It could be a post biological civilization. 380 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Could be coexistence within a simulated universe. Maybe AI machines 381 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: or von Neumann probes could be exploring our cosmos. It 382 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: could even be consciousness based projections or interfaces throughout history. 383 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: Our understanding of how things in our natural world work 384 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: often get flipped upside down as we gain more knowledge 385 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: and understanding of how things work. Most often given enough 386 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: time and technology, then we have the Fermi paradox. For 387 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: people outside the UFO community, Enrico Fermi famously stated, if 388 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: the universe is so full of potential life whereas everybody, 389 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: several explanations are commonly discussed. Number one is the time overlap. 390 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: Civilizations may not exist simultaneously, even given a ten thousand 391 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: year time technological phase. That's minuscule on a cosmic timescale. 392 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: Number two is the distance. Galactic distances are vast. Signals 393 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: decay travel takes time, and geometry alone could isolate civilizations. 394 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Number three detectability. We've only been transmitting detectable signals for 395 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: about one hundred years. Advanced civilizations may use communication methods 396 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: that we have not yet been able to detect, or 397 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: they may be deliberately avoiding detection technology on Earth's struggles 398 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: to remain compatible year to year, so it's reasonable to 399 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: assume interstellar communication may face similar challenges. When we come back, 400 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: we're going to look at arguments for and against aliens 401 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: visiting Earth. You're listening to beyond contact on the iHeartRadio 402 00:28:47,840 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We are 403 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: back on Beyond Contact. Now let's take a look at 404 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: some of the arguments for extraterustrial life having visited Earth. 405 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about evidence versus indicators, So 406 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: here's a helpful distinction. Evidence is something that can be 407 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: independently verified, tested, and examined. Indicators are patterns, testimonies, correlations, 408 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: or repeated reports that suggest something may be happening, even 409 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: though they don't rise to the level of proof. Obviously, 410 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot of what we're talking about here falls into 411 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: a category of an indicator. The arguments for visitation include 412 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: mathematical probability. We've already examined the mathematical potential within the 413 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: known universe, which strongly suggests the certainty of extraterrustrial life 414 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: existing somewhere, and at least the possibility of a civilization 415 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: being able to develop the technology necessary to visit Earth. 416 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: Worldwide sightings and UAP eviden we have countless reports worldwide 417 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: of unexplained sightings in the sky. Beyond anecdotal reports, there 418 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: are UAP reports that have demonstrated advanced performance characteristics, and 419 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: there are witness accounts that are corroborated by radar, infrared sensors, 420 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: visual observations, and we have multiple military pilot testimony. Many 421 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: of these incidents have been publicly acknowledged by the US 422 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: Department of Defense, and these reports document craft exhibit capabilities 423 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: beyond known human technology, at least as far as we 424 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: know it, such as hypersonic speed without sonic booms, instantaneous acceleration, 425 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: no visible propulsion or exhaust, trans medium travel which is 426 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: through air, sea, and space with no change in velocity. 427 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: There's also the whistleblower testimony. There have been sworn testimonies 428 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: given from intelligence and military insiders, supported by classified documentation 429 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: presented to the Inspectors General. Numerous high and government officials 430 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: have come forward making bold claims that non human technology exists, 431 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: putting their reputations and their careers at risk. There are 432 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: also the direct contactee accounts, which we talked about. This 433 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: group of people who have had direct first person encounters, 434 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: often putting their reputations and their careers at risk as well. 435 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: We also have ancient and historical accounts, which is another 436 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: area of consideration which appears to suggest that advanced non 437 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: human encounters appear across many cultures. These include ancient texts, 438 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: art oral traditions describing beings and craft that resemble the 439 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: modern UFO reports we get such as Ezekiel's wheel within 440 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: a wheel from the Bible, the Hindu Vimanas, the Mesoamerican 441 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: sky gods, the Australian Aboriginal sky people. Then there's megalithic monuments. 442 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: There are massive stone structures built with precision, astronomical alignments 443 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: and advanced mathematical knowledge that seem far beyond what is 444 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: traditionally attributed to the cultures of the time. Some examples 445 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: of this include the Great Pyramid, constructed from approximately two 446 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: point three million stone blocks, some weighing fifty to eighty tons, 447 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: and they're all laid with near perfect precision, and the 448 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: entire structure is nearly perfect cardinal alignments and mathematical relationships 449 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: tied to the earth dimensions. Pumapuku features h blocks that 450 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: appear to be clearly machine cut, saxe waman that has 451 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: razor tight stone joints and blocks weighing up to two 452 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: hundred tons. Ballbeck Lebanon has stones that exceed sixteen hundred tons. 453 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Non Midal was built over water using tens of thousands 454 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: of massive basalt columns transported from miles away. Lastly, there 455 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: are the physical trace evidence material. The UFO community often 456 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: points to cases involving physical trace evidence such as ground 457 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: depressions or sports vegetation, electromagnetic interference, radiation anomalies, and recovered 458 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: materials with unusual isotopic ratios, including from alleged implants. Now, 459 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: let's look at some of the counter arguments against extraterrestrial visitation. 460 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Here are the strongest skeptical positions stated plainly. Its extraordinary 461 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: claims require extraordinary evidence, and we do not yet have 462 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: publicly available, independently testable proof that confirms non human visitation. 463 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: Most UFO reports, once investigated, resolve into mundane explanations. They're 464 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: either misidentifications, their sensor artifacts hoaxes, or their classified human technology. 465 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: And human perception is imperfect, especially under stress, especially at night, 466 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: or an unusual viewing conditions, so the skeptical view is 467 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: the simplest explanation usually wins until hard evidence forces a change. 468 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: Number one, probability is not a certainty. While the universe 469 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: contains vast numbers of potentially habitable planets, that probability does 470 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: not equal a certainty. Additionally, we have not yet solved 471 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: interstellar travel. Personally, I believe the interstellar travel is ultimately 472 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: just a matter of time and technology. People say that 473 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: sightings are not proof. The argument here is that sightings 474 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: alone do not confirm extraterrestrial origins, which is easy to 475 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: agree with. The vast majority of cases, once investigated, are 476 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: surely explained as misidentifications, hoaxes, sensor airrors, whatever. They could 477 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: possibly be advanced foreign secret technologies, even though governments state 478 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: that these objects are not foreign adversaries. There's no way 479 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: to know with absolute certainty that new break cruse may 480 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: exist that we're not yet aware of. So for me, 481 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: this is a fair argument. In today's technological world, both 482 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: government and private aerospace companies alike could be developing highly 483 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: classified technology whistleblower claims. Lack verification is another problem. While 484 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: credible officials have made extraordinary claims, verifiable physical evidence has 485 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: not yet been publicly produced. I find it significant that 486 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: these individuals of high rank and prestige are still willing 487 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: to go on the record and risk their careers stating 488 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: that non human craft or materials exist. I do think 489 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: this should not be casually dismissed the contact the experiences. 490 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: Alternative explanations such as sleep paralysis, psychological phenomenon, or false 491 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: memories are often cited, and yes, claims alone do not 492 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: establish reality or proof, no doubt. Still, I personally find 493 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: some of these accounts very compelling, especially and they're taken 494 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: in totality ancient interpretations. The arguments against these interpretations is 495 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: that we are projecting modern interpretations onto ancient stories. These 496 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: accounts could be symbolic, allegorical, or mythological, and none definitively 497 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: prove extraterrestrial visitation. I agree that this is a limitation. However, 498 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: it remains intriguing how many of these ancient stories and 499 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: monuments we have, as they echo the modern and counter 500 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: reports and have similar themes. Lastly, is the megalithic construction explanation. 501 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Skepsogogy is that these structures do not require outside knowledge 502 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: and could have been built with enough manpower and time, 503 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: and perhaps their construction methods could have been lost to time. 504 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: That may be true, but for me, moving a sixteen 505 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: hundred ton stone block at Ballbeck still raises a reasonable 506 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: question to what end the same result could have been 507 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: achieved using smaller more manageable stones. So here's my take. 508 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: It is true that all evidence supporting non human intelligence 509 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: visiting Earth is refutable, and none has reached the level 510 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: of undeniable proof. Belief levels exist on a spectrum. I 511 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: believe we should maintain an open mind and continue observing 512 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: as technology and evidence evolve, and continue to put resource 513 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: into scientific exploration of these topics. Unlike religion, which often 514 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: requires belief in the supernatural, this hypothesis only requires belief 515 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: in technology and time, both of which we have repeatedly 516 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: overcome once impossible barriers for us. And one more note, 517 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: consciousness research is still in its earliest days. We don't 518 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: yet have a complete scientific model for consciousness, perception, or 519 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: altered states. Yet those domains keep showing up around the 520 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: edges of this phenomenon. That doesn't prove anything either, but 521 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: it's a reminder that our map of reality is still 522 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: incomplete and will certainly change going forward, as it always does. 523 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 3: For me. 524 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: It's not a simple piece of evidence, but the totality, 525 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: the sheer number of potentially life bearing planets, the volume 526 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: of sightings, the credible officials risking their careers, the conviction 527 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: of the experiencers, the historical accounts and the massive megalithic structures, 528 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: some exceeding sixteen hundred tons taken all together, even at 529 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: a one in a million chance, still feels compelling to me. 530 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 1: And after all of that, we only need one encounter 531 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: to be real, for the phenomenon itself to be real, 532 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: whatever that may be. So at this point I would say, yes, Virginia, 533 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: I believe there are aliens out there and some form 534 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: or another of them has most likely been here. Thank 535 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: you for listening, but tell us what you think. Let 536 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: us know at Twitter, on Instagram, at CITD Underscore Captain Ron. 537 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,479 Speaker 1: Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay 538 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right 539 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 540 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: podcas Yes Network. Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and 541 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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