WEBVTT - The Mysterious Havana Syndrome 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:12.399 Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there, 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.120 and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.200 I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and How the 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:23.439 Tech are You. We are wrapping up my tenure with 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.799 the podcast tech Stuff, and as a special treat for 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.160 me and potentially for you two, I have the stuff 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.920 they don't want you to know, boys right here, live 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.400 and in the studio, in the flesh, right in front 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:36.519 of me. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.040 Hi, guys, Hey, thanks for having us. Jonathan. I'm getting 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:39.720 a little starstruck. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.239 I actually was listening to a podcast the other day 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.000 and I heard you come on doing an ad read 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.000 for Intel or something, and that I am in the 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.040 same room with those pipes. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.600 Right next to me, as if we hadn't just done 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:52.640 a ridiculous history. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.600 That's true, but that was remote. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.720 We're true. That's a character right right. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.400 So we you have just heard Ben Boleen and Noel Brown. However, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.360 there is another person here in the room, Matt Frederick, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.080 someone who I have known since I began working at 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.880 HowStuffWorks dot com February fifteenth, two thousand and seven. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.399 I'm me back when Matt was kneehigh to a bed 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.080 bugs eye. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.720 That's right, that's right. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.720 And Jonathan, I actually have a present for you now 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.280 on tech Stuff. Yeah, this is a video that was 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.760 posted fourteen years ago to the house Stuff Works YouTube page. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:29.680 Is this juggling? 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.720 No? 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.680 No, just just really quickly, let's let's listen, all right, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:35.880 there's gonna be in that. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:44.919 Obsequious? Yes, Oh hi, I'm Jonathan stan the popular podcast 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:50.280 tech Stuff Popular. That's I didn't see that. It's just me. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.680 I made that. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.960 I made that as obsequious as I possibly could. And 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.400 then and then was laughing about I was reading a dictionary, yes, in. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.600 That video like you do. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.880 Yeah, that was the whole joke, was that I'm obsequious? 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.440 Oh yeah, there. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.400 Without the video for context, I just thought I didn't know. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:11.600 I thought I didn't know what that was about. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.600 Well, it was an ad for the brand new house 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:15.560 Stuff Works app. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:21.000 Yes, yeah. Do you guys remember when when smartphones transformed 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.079 the way that people access information online and suddenly every 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.720 single website had to have its own app. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.799 We've totally gotten out of that mode, right. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.040 Oh my gosh. Do you remember pivot to video? 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:34.280 Which one? 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:34.840 Yeah? 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.200 Right, well I remember three. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.840 I'll tell you one story and I do have to 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:39.280 get out of here. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.480 Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, Matt's only here for for the 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.960 intro and I'm just here to say out. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.839 I'm here to celebrate tech stuff in Jonathan Strickland because guys, Yeah, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.960 I remember a specific conversation when our when we were 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.600 doing that initial pivot to video after the Discovery acquisition. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.960 Yeah, and Ben and I boo years. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.600 Yes, Ben and I had a little twinkle in our 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.160 eye thinking maybe we could make a weird conspiracy slash 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.280 unsolved mystery show that we've always wanted to make. It's true, 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.840 and maybe we could do it now. And we didn't 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:17.120 have a name. Oh yeah, our boss came in and 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.480 showed us how to do the voiceover and like, it 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.720 needs to look like this, it needs to sound like this. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.160 We're like, okay, but that's kind of what we were 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:25.919 already doing. Yeah, and we were like, we don't know 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.160 what to call this. We were in the break room 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.160 area with the little kitchenette yep, and talking to you, Yeah, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.720 mister Strickland, and what did you say. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:35.440 The name should be? 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.080 Well, we already had brain stuff, but our first big 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.080 podcast was Stuff you Should Know. And I said, well, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.920 why don't you just call it stuff they don't want 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:42.400 you to know. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.160 And we took it and we ran with it. That 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.400 is a true story, folks. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:46.760 Yeah. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.640 Also for a little bit of context in the early 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.360 halcyon days of podcasting, when we didn't know what was 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.320 going to happen. Our boss, who I will say with 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.600 great affection, has always had this nineteen eighties Tom Cruise, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.400 cool energy. Yeah, he came in and he was like, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.600 all right, bros, so we're how stuff works. We're going 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.080 to do podcast. Yeah, podcast is not going to be 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.480 longer than five minutes. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.400 Because no one was listening longer than no, no, no. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.720 And get this and this was like his big move. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.279 He always had a twist in these great speeches he gave, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.120 and he's like, we're going to have the word stuff 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.120 in every name every podcast. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.760 Although although our second one, after Stuff you Should Know, 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.760 was called originally Factor Fiction and then only later turned 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.480 into stuff you Missed in History class. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.119 Yeah, it must have gotten the memo. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.320 But it was also it was also funny because the 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.520 original mandate was that we also had to link every 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.680 episode back to an article that was on the website. Yeah. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.760 I've talked about this about the history of tech stuff too, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.800 because like Chris Palette and I, we couldn't even get 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.840 finished introducing ourselves within five minutes. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.080 So it's almost like you're a bit of a talker. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.960 Yeah, I call myself a chatty kaffy, and I promise 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.240 you all we will be getting to tech later. But yeah, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.200 well this is technically tech and we don't see each 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:02.520 other that much anymore. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.320 Jonathan, you are one of the smartest people that I've 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.400 ever met in my life. And you pouring yourself and 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.599 your knowledge into this show and then out into the world. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.200 It means a ton to a lot of people, and 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.840 to us specifically in this room, and and to me, well, okay. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.279 I Ben and I we we agreed early on that 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.320 we would be each other's arch ne necessity because we 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.480 figured if you're gonna have one, it should be someone 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.159 who's kind of cool and nice. I mean, I'm not cool, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.440 but I try to be nice. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.880 But just to say, I want to celebrate you, and 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.040 I know there are a lot of people out there 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.200 right now that celebrate you as a voice in their 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.200 heads and a friend. They feel like they have a friend, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.000 even if they've never met you. And I have met 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.479 you You're a good friend both. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.160 Thank you man. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:49.960 Yeah. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.560 Yeah, not many people know this, but Randy Newman wrote 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:53.279 that song about me. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.000 I knew it, you know, thank you for being a friend. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.000 No short, people, let me tell you have every. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.560 Reason to live because you're giving up the show. Yeah, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:04.760 doesn't mean come. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.040 On and you're And as anybody listening Tech Stuff knows, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.320 this is not a departure so much as it is 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.039 an evolution. People are still going to hear you in 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.240 all sorts of places. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.599 Yeah, I'll be popping up occasionally, you know, hosting things 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:19.400 that make sense. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:19.720 Like. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.599 There's no concrete plans other than the fact that the 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.080 infamous character the quizt will be making a more regular 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.440 return to ridiculous history. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.840 Yes, we just had you on him on recently, and 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.680 then you popped in at the end, and yeah, I 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.279 think I want to just reiterate what I said then 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.880 when I've got my start with with all of this stuff, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.920 I was editing all of the shows, and I wasn't 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.039 speaking on the mic, but just by being around you 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.919 and listening and taking in so much of the stuff 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.119 that you you know, we're talking about about in terms 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.800 of the world of tech. On Tech Stuff I got 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.880 smarter and honestly got some confidence, and you had me 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.800 on the show to talk about like music tech, can 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.400 you know the audio vidio engineer? And that was one 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.839 of my very first forays into being on Mike and 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.080 I never, you know, looking at all of you guys, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.280 never would have thought that I would have the confidence 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.560 to do that. And just getting little opportunities like that 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.840 from folks such as yourself made all the difference. So 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.120 I want to thank you for that, and I mirror 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.720 what Matt said, I feel the same way. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.520 Super kind of you. I want to give a shout 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.240 out just to like podcasters of the past, because when 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.040 we started podcasting, one of the really cool things about 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.400 podcasting in general was that podcasters typically really enjoyed having 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.040 other podcasters come on and guessed on their show and 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.800 then doing the same, Like there's a lot of cross promotion, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.480 but it wasn't necessarily even thought of like that. It 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.760 was literally the joy of being able to interact with 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.280 other people. I mean, it still exists to an extent 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.320 this day. It's just now the podcast field is so 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.960 huge and there's let's just say there's quite a few 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.120 celebrity podcasts where that is not a prevailing feeling anymore 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.920 because they're at a different stratospheric level than the rest 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:58.200 of us. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:04.760 Yeah, Bateman, Jason, Yeah, just to be specific. Also, Jonathan, again, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.200 like I told you all these years ago, I'm never 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.720 gonna thank you for anything, so I. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.760 Would find it. I would find it off putting. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.440 If you did, you would think there was a scheme. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.320 Would I'd be like, Okay, well he's got his one 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.080 arm out for a hug. The other one's got to 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:19.720 have the knife. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:19.960 Ye. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.040 Yeah, Well, thanks guys, that's really nice. It's really nice 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.840 of you. I really appreciate all the kind words. And 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.360 uh and now we're gonna talk about how to make 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.520 sound make people feel like they're dying. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:34.400 And I'm out. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.679 Great to see you guys. Yeah, farewell. Matt Frederick, he 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.840 has an obligation that he must see. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:42.960 To an opportunity. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.080 Yes, we'll cause an opportunity. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:51.040 A taekwon do based opportunity tunity. Yeah. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.960 Yeah, he's gonna go empty hand it ah, yes, with 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.199 both hands, two hands. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:57.679 There we go. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.920 All right, Well that's it for me, dog, see you later, Matt. Well, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.040 now that Matt Frederick has left and we can we 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 can leave the wake like atmosphere of the room behind 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.000 because I'm not diet well who knows, but I'm not 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.120 playing on dyeting. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:15.840 Ok. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.240 I had a real close call earlier this year, so uh, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.400 you know, I'm not taking anything for granted, is what 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.959 I'm saying. But I'm still gonna be around and everything. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.640 But yeah, earlier this year I did an episode called 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:31.360 Acoustic Weapons where I was talking about this whole concept 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:37.240 of using sound as a weapon against people, either in 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.160 order to break them down or perhaps even cause you know, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.360 more acute symptoms, not just like sleep deprivation or something 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:46.040 like that. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.359 And lasting death metal while strobe lights play. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.200 Yeah, which which has been a thing right like, the 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.160 United States has engaged in such we know this. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.720 It's a Barney song, yes example. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.720 Yeah like it. You know it happened in Waco, Texas 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.040 and that whole thing. And yeah, there's just tons of 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.880 examples of this, but one in particular I wanted to 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.400 talk about is a really mysterious one that started to 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:19.679 make the news in twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen. Do you 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.480 remember the halcyon days of twenty sixteen when we were 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.199 all just wondering what Shenanigan's newly elected President Trump was 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:27.839 going to get us. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.360 Into It was on SNL. He was doing everything. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.400 Yeah, Joe Piscope was teaching America to laugh. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.640 One thing. This is a true story about twenty sixteen. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.880 I don't know, it's weird when we think about how 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.280 much has happened in less than a decade. I distinctly 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.920 remember some friends of mine outside of work. They were 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.760 excited about Donald Trump, then presidential candidate and president elect 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.840 because they remembered him from home alone too. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.240 Yeah. He showed a young Kevin where the lobby was. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.240 That's how they asked me. They said, Hey, who are 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.560 you going to vote for in the election? I said, well, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.000 I mean I got opinions, and you're not really a 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.640 political person. They're like, did you know that Donald Trump 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.600 was home alone too? And that was the deciding fact. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.160 I mean, I would have voted for Tim Curry and 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.320 he's not a US citizen. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.560 So honestly, you know, Kevin was lost in New York 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.760 until Donald Trump told him where the lobby was. Then 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.080 he was found in New York. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.320 Yeah, and then we all found ourselves in a way 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.360 in the state Way. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:29.800 Yeah. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.319 Yeah. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.520 And the entire time this is happening, especially folks like 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.000 Noel Matt and myself and you. Because of the tech 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.880 aspect of this, we start to hear this scuttle butt, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.720 these rumors, these whispers, these allegations. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.000 Yeah, so we're gonna be talking in a lot of 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:50.200 abstracts and vague language because of the very nature of this. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.520 So the reports were coming out largely from US government 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.080 personnel who are working in the embassy in Havana, Qa, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.880 and there were several parts of people saying that they 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.040 were feeling these very odd and non specific symptoms, stuff 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.640 like brain fog and disorientation and vertigo. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.600 Malays yeah, pre covid mind. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.720 Yeah on we that's sort of a distinct lack of 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.680 doing your job because you're a government worker in Cuba. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.240 So yeah, there were all these different reports coming out, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.840 and there was not really any one source that you 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.880 could point to as saying, oh, this is because of X. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:35.719 But the speculation arose that perhaps some sort of and 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.439 I'm going to use the vague term that's used in 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:45.560 a medical article, directional phenomena exposure was to blame. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.760 So, and you know, this certainly isn't the first X 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.720 syndrome type thing that we've heard of out of you know, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.199 conflicts we've got. Of course, Gulf War syndrome is very amorphous, 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.160 hard to pin down symptoms associated with a condition that 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.480 may or may not exist. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.240 Yes, yes, exactly. So often we get into these situations 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.880 where we have a collection of symptoms not universally experienced too. Right, Like, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.840 some people might only say that they feel like a 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.480 couple of them, and there's no overlap between the other 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.559 person who says, oh, I got the same thing, except 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.200 I feel blah blah blah blah blah. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.240 Yeah, and some people might also have different frequencies of symptoms, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.120 So yes, sporadic, maybe one off occurrence, or then maybe 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.640 something longer or even continual. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.840 Right, you could have people who said, like, oh, I 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.480 was feeling like this, but then when I moved to 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.760 a different part of the building, suddenly I didn't feel 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.640 like that, and the reason was because some sort of 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.760 directional phenomena was pointed my way and so I got 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.080 out of the range or out of the line of 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.680 fire of it. So this phenomena is the reason why 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.480 it's such a vague term, is because there's nothing that 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.280 we know of to point to to say this is 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.280 definitively the cause of this, if there is an fact 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:06.280 a cause at all, But the typical speculative answers are 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.320 it's something to do with sound that is not directly perceivable, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:15.080 so infrasound or ultrasound, sure, or it could be some 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:21.320 form of radio frequency bombardment. And the question then is 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:27.480 could such things possibly create the symptoms that were reported 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:28.960 under Havana syndrome. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.760 Well, you know, it couldn't be better timing for this 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.560 conversation with you, Ben and Matt and I are in 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.760 the process of cooking up a bit of a live 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.920 show about weaponizing sound, about hiding messages in sound, and 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.840 so I mean, we certainly know that the building blocks 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.200 of sound within that just the you know, frequency ranges 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.800 that are able to be manipulated. You could do all 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.560 kinds of stuff we know that can affect people's mood, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.600 that can perhaps subliminally implant things into people's minds. The 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:01.200 question is, can you use sound to make somebody ill? 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.840 Yes, And that's a great question, and it's a question 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.000 that remains unanswered. There was a research study I would 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.840 like to refer to. It is titled Euroimaging Findings in 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.680 US Government Personnel with possible exposure to directional phenomena in Havana, Cuba. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.040 Rolls off the tongue. Yeah. That one was in the 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.280 Journal of American Medical Association. This research paper. What they 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.520 did was there were forty four cases of people who 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.360 had reported having Havana syndrome having worked at this embassy 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.520 in Havana, Cuba. Of those forty four, they were able 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.080 to get forty of them to participate in a study 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.720 where they were going to use magnetic resonance imaging MRI 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.160 to look at their brain matter and see is there 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.000 anything different in their brain matter compared to a control 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.760 group that did not work in them. Yeah, and did 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.840 not and have not reported symptoms of Havana syndrome. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.920 Can we briefly mention is what some of these symptoms? 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.080 You said, brain fog, there were others. It was like yeah, collection, yeah, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:01.720 So like I. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.480 Said, it's like vertigo, it's disorientation. There was some like 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:10.480 difficulty focusing, like not just focusing mentally, but like literally 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:17.120 the the ocular yeah, ocular blurd visual bird, visual memory loss, headaches, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.800 Like it's a lot of stuff that if you went 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.440 to your doctor and you said, here's what I'm experiencing 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.440 not to be like, well, it beats me. It could 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.960 be one of like literally a billion different things. 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.360 Drink more water, sleep on a regular schedule. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.160 A little more fiber in your diet, get some sun exactly, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.560 maybe stop hanging out with jerks, like you know, it 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:36.280 could be anything. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.080 That's what I mean. I've been told by my friends 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.600 that that's why they can't hang out with me anymore. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.280 It's been prescription that you know. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:42.600 They have to. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.120 Okay, it's called Strickland syndrome. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.400 Yeah, exactly. It's like, like, do you feel like I 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.080 know it all is just talking your ear off all 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.400 the time. Stop hanging out with strickling. No, I don't. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.960 I don't really say it. I don't really mean that. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:53.280 But no. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.160 Yeah, so it's it's just again this big vague collection 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.000 of of difficult to pin downs and symptoms that could 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.560 be anything like it may not at all be connected 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.320 to any external source, right, it could just be from 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.080 other environmental factors, or it could be you know, some 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.239 other condition. Who knows. But they said, what we're gonna do, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.640 We're gonna look at the brains of these people who 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.040 were working in Havana the forty of the four forty 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.000 of the forty four. Yeah, because it turned out that 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.040 at least three of the forty four were they had 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.080 other conditions that would have complicated things, because they would 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.000 definitely have differences in their in their brain imaging, but 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.840 that wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with Havana syndrum. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.400 It was a comorbidity, so to be So to be clear, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.040 and I love that you bringing this up. This is 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:44.240 a mission critical point. It's not as though four of 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.840 those forty four people all of a sudden had some spooky, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.560 top secret stuff. They were just the nature of their 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.840 pre existing medical condition would make it incredibly difficult, if 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.679 not virtually impossible, to accomplish what they wanted to do 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:00.600 with this stuck. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.520 Right, right, How do you say that, oh, that part 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.880 in your image is due to Havana syndrome, not this 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.760 other condition that you are currently experienced. Also, one of 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.440 the four who didn't participate just didn't want to participate. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.280 And which is totally fine. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.959 So that one of the four was probably the one 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.720 who was told by the government, Hey, you can't be 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.000 in this right, let's be just don't. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:20.760 Find the implant. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.280 Can I also do backtrack real quickly I'd mentioned Gulf 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.240 War syndrome. It's another kind of loose collection of symptoms 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.919 that are damn near identical to what we're talking about here. Fatigue, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:35.600 musculo skeletal pain, cognitive problems, skin rash is, diarrhea. It's 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.119 hard to connect those together. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.679 It starts to sound like a pepto bismol. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.160 It really really does. And there's a John Hopkins study 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.080 or article that describes these symptoms as nearly impossible to 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.320 connect with a particular exposure event. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.960 Nonspecific comes down nonspecific. And I didn't know those were symptoms. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.760 You guys don't have that all the time. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.600 I have back pain all the time. Turns out that 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.560 I also tend to get kidney stones. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.359 So sciatica. Some of this stuff just comes with getting altered. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.080 I have malaise, but that's because I read the news. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:11.800 I love Malays like a banana. Duke's malaise is the best. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.919 By the way, if you want to have Malays Duke's Malays. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.720 Who don't to go with tech stuff brought to you 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.360 by Duke's malaise, I'm going. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.119 To get a note from Duke saying, yeah, can you 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:25.479 not okay? So study the study, so they look at 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.760 the forty brains of these people who had they refer 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.760 to them as the patients, and then they had the 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.080