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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Aren Feldman is a Nashville based hair and makeup artist.

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Speaker 2: Her clients include Reese Witherspoon, Trisha Yearwood, Chelsea Handler, Haitln Bristow,

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Speaker 2: just to name a few. She's also a really good

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Speaker 2: friend of mine and she's here with us today. Hi, Terren,

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Speaker 2: Hi call, thank you for doing this. I texted you

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Speaker 2: this morning and I was like, girl, I slept like

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Speaker 2: two hours last night. This is probably going to be

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Speaker 2: a shit show, so we'll see what happens. I love that.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I am a shit show.

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Speaker 2: So I I was gonna say this with it. This

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Speaker 2: feels like our vibe to do this where I have

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Speaker 2: half a brain and you're just kind of flowing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm too sunburned.

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Speaker 2: Did you lay out today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I actually wasn't even out for that long. I

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Speaker 3: just got too much son, too much too quick.

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Speaker 2: Well, as a hair and makeup artist, do you wear SPF?

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Speaker 3: I think yes, I do. I wear like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seven.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, and you got that much.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually really tan right now. But I think I

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Speaker 3: just kind of like, did a soft Paspriate just shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have I should have done a hard pass instead of

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Speaker 3: a soft pass.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was in the water, just like in the

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Speaker 3: reflection for two hours straight, so I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 3: I did it to myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens to the best of us. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you got some vitamin to you though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm much happier in the summer.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking through I'm like, what do I want

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Speaker 2: to ask Taran, because there are so many questions that

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Speaker 2: I get asked. I mean, I'm a groomer, but celebrity

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Speaker 2: here and makeup artists, we do the same thing. I

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Speaker 2: only work with men. You work with Leslie women.

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Speaker 3: I work with women.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you only work with women. So we're the opposite

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Speaker 2: end of the spectrum of the same job. But one

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Speaker 2: of the questions that I constantly get is, oh, how

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Speaker 2: did you get into this job? How do you how

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Speaker 2: did you end up working with celebrities? And the truth

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Speaker 2: for me is I can't ever remember, so I'm always

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Speaker 2: kind of like, uh, I don't even know how this happened,

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Speaker 2: but here it was, But do you tell us?

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. First of all, I moved to Nashville like

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Speaker 3: twelve years ago, and when I moved here, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I was never planning on being here longer than like

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Speaker 3: six months. I just needed like a little restart to sit,

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Speaker 3: like just a little break from Los Angeles, and I

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Speaker 3: ended up staying but for like a year, I was like,

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Speaker 3: there's nothing here for me to do. And twelve years ago,

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Speaker 3: it was like kind of amping up. Yeah, and there

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Speaker 3: was always a music industry here, but there was like

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Speaker 3: four makeup artists that did everything that anybody needed. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I kind of just like got in with Big Machine.

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Speaker 3: I did some random free magazine shoot and Scott Borchetta

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Speaker 3: and Sandy saw it and were like, we love this

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Speaker 3: glam who is it? And then they hired me to

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Speaker 3: do a band that's not even together anymore. Hannah Blaylock

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Speaker 3: was in it, and I can't remember what their name was,

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Speaker 3: but I started working with them, and then I just

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Speaker 3: was such a hustler and such a knockdown doors kind

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Speaker 3: of girl, just very aggressive in my ways, which I

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Speaker 3: still kind of am. And it's funny people ask me

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Speaker 3: that too, and people always want to pick my brain,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like there's nothing to pick. Just go do it.

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Speaker 3: No one's going to help you, Just go do it.

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Speaker 3: I always tell anybody that like moves here, or like

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Speaker 3: when Chris first moved here Chris Baar I was like,

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Speaker 3: I know, it's annoying because you were already established in

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Speaker 3: LA but you're moving to a different city and you're

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Speaker 3: starting over. They yes, every job for at least a year,

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Speaker 3: and then his like career like skyrocketed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you remember how much shit you ate?

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Speaker 3: Because that's a part of it.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that, Like how.

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Speaker 3: Many jobs you did for free, how many people took

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Speaker 3: advantage of you, how many times you tried to like

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Speaker 3: make it work with a client, so you are like

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Speaker 3: bending over backwards, like matrixing all of your rates for

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Speaker 3: them to just go, uh, we have a budget. Now

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Speaker 3: we're going to hire somebody else. So true, how much,

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Speaker 3: which is fine, it's the nature of the game. But

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Speaker 3: like we just eat shit for years. Yeah, you have to.

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Speaker 3: It's like a rite of passage. Almost everybody does, though,

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Speaker 3: Like artists eat shit. Every celebrity I know has eaten

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Speaker 3: so much shit. So it's a thing. It's just with

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Speaker 3: everything that you have to do in your life.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is a thing, but it's not the

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Speaker 2: glamorous thing. So I feel like a lot of times

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Speaker 2: when the younger artists are coming to me and asking

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Speaker 2: how did you get started? How do I get in

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Speaker 2: with this celebrity, I'm a person that's very much of

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Speaker 2: the same mentality as you, like I'm a hustler, and

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Speaker 2: so it was all about networking. Especially in Nashville, it's

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Speaker 2: very much of you know, word of mouth kind of town,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of places in the ten year, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like you do one job for one person,

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Speaker 2: they refer you to someone else, or like you said,

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Speaker 2: the people at Big Machines saw a shoot you did

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Speaker 2: and we're like, who did this? We love this glam

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Speaker 2: And so it is about getting out there getting the work.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of times you have to work for

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Speaker 2: free for a while, I did that, And what I'm

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Speaker 2: finding in the younger generations is they don't want to

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Speaker 2: do the grunt work. They want to skip that step,

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Speaker 2: and we're kind of like, you can't skip that step, Like,

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Speaker 2: you got to get out there and do that step.

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Speaker 2: One it's how you learn, but two it's a rite

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Speaker 3: Like you said, the comparison between somebody that's been doing

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Speaker 3: it for one year and five years is great, and

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Speaker 3: all those jobs, I would rather work with a person

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Speaker 3: that's been doing it for five and then over five

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Speaker 3: years and ten years, I'd rather work with a person

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Speaker 3: that's been doing it for ten and so on and

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Speaker 3: so forth. But the thing with this industry is it's

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Speaker 3: not like, Okay, this is my rate. Think you like

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Speaker 3: not cute. I've been paid a dollar to like ten grand.

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Speaker 3: It's not like holding yourself to a better standard. It's

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Speaker 3: you should want to do all those things so that

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Speaker 3: you can get so fucking good at what you do

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Speaker 3: that you're like, yeah, I'm so fucking good at what

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Speaker 3: I do. That's why my rate is this. Not I

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Speaker 3: decided to do this. I've been I'm like good at it,

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Speaker 3: and I'm Instagram follows followers, So that's what my rate is, right,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying? Oh, totally experience that,

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Speaker 3: Like that's what warps you into like whatever artists you're

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. And another thing that I've learned,

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Speaker 2: there's a million makeup artists. And this is not to

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Speaker 2: downplay anyone's talents, but I had someone say to me

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Speaker 2: early on, if this job was easy, everyone would do it,

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Speaker 2: and I do think everyone wants to do it, Like

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Speaker 2: it seems very glamorous, but like you said, experience goes

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Speaker 2: a long way, and so even if you're talented, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you know how to act on set

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Speaker 2: or that's good rapport with clients, and all of those

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Speaker 2: pieces are big pieces of this puzzle. So a lot

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Speaker 2: of times does come with just like getting out there

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Speaker 2: and doing the thing, getting the experience, building your book,

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Speaker 2: meeting new people, networking, all of the things that none

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Speaker 3: Somebody asked me yesterday. They were like, it's a photographer

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Speaker 3: very young artists in LA just for makeup. Their day

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Speaker 3: literally don't give a shit. I don't think it'll work

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Speaker 3: and it's like if you get that, great, good for you.

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Speaker 3: But she's not represented. It's it's just like probably not

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Speaker 3: But it's it's like one of those things where people

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Speaker 3: are always annoyed with agents, but specific people go through

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Speaker 3: agencies because those artists are vetted and they know for

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Speaker 3: the most part what they're going to get, like and

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Speaker 3: you're pain for like a guaranteed anything goes. Everything's fine.

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Speaker 3: Artists that has worked with other people in the industry.

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Speaker 3: So it's like that's why there's labels, that's why there's

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Speaker 3: some things on purpose, there's like a structure to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and listen, some people are just like born magnificently talented.

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Speaker 3: Most likely they've been doing it for ten years, just

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Speaker 3: a sudden, all these labels. I'm sure artists are like, damn,

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Speaker 3: up on Instagram. It's like there's a place for everybody,

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Speaker 3: but it's a little entitled and maybe our age is showing.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's funny you bring up the TikTok thing though,

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Speaker 2: because I was working with one of my artists yesterday

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Speaker 2: was kind of giving him feedback because what I've noticed

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Speaker 2: in the artist that I work with that blew up

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Speaker 2: on TikTok versus the ones who did the grind and

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Speaker 2: like we're down on Broadway playing every night, you and

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Speaker 2: all the things. They don't know how to perform live.

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Speaker 2: They know how to sing into a phone. They're talented.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to downplay that, but there is something

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Speaker 2: that comes with experience all over again. And so I

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Speaker 2: think we're seeing that play out a little bit. And

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Speaker 2: if I, oh, yeah, if I had any advice to

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Speaker 2: give the younger generation, it's like, not wait your turn,

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Speaker 2: but put in the work so that you can stay

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Speaker 2: the long haul and you can can actually build a

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Speaker 2: substantial career versus just one that's leading.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but everybody has to wait their turn. We have

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Speaker 3: to wait our turn still, even though we're like, oh

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Speaker 3: years into it, Like everybody has to wait their turn.

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Speaker 3: That's not like even like a mean thing to say.

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Speaker 3: That's like a science basically at this point. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah. I think with artists

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Speaker 3: too that blow up sometimes they don't know how to

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Speaker 3: you because they're not connected to you yet, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: whereas somebody that's been like on the road for years,

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Speaker 3: they can sell out arenas or they can sell out

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Speaker 3: No, I'll do you not because I like you. I'm

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Speaker 2: Right, but like you know what I'm saying, Like people

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because like there's like a couple young

434
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: artists that I've like worked with and they're like so excited,

435
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, cute, get up, cute, shut up,

436
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: You're so cute, shut up, shut your cute mouth.

437
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you mentioned a young artists, and this makes

438
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: me think of my next question. But with the oversaturation,

439
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, with TikTok and social media,

440
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: all these things, everyone's a makeup artists these days. Everyone

441
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: has a podcast, but so much music. There's all all

442
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 2: these things, and so it can feel like the competition

443
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: is higher, and especially in a city like Nashville, we

444
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: have so many people coming to town. I do think

445
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot more work, but there's a lot more artists,

446
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: and so it's really important to kind of tap into

447
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: what your specific niches, what your unique skill set is.

448
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: And something I love about you is you are so

449
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: unapologetically yourself at all times. What are some ways that

450
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: you have found or what are some of the qualities

451
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: of yourself that you find other than just being a

452
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: great makeup artist, Like, what are the things that you

453
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: know you bring to the table that you lead into

454
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: now as Hey, this is like uniquely tearing, and this

455
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 2: is how my clients know me, and this is why

456
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: they hire me.

457
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: I think for me, it's a vibe thing people like

458
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 3: being around me. I'm warm, I'm inviting. I feel like

459
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: you could do anything in front of me, and I

460
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 3: will never judge you because I, yeah, I already just

461
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: did it, or I did it ten years ago. Also,

462
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: I'm equally good at both.

463
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: I mean I am.

464
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I sometimes I'd argue that I'm even better at hair.

465
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: There's like little parts of me that are like, should

466
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: I just do hair and not?

467
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

468
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: But I think anybody, especially now, anybody that does both

469
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: that's psychotic.

470
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't.

471
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how psychotic it was until I really

472
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: started working with other like LA and New York people,

473
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: even though I'm from LA. I don't know why I

474
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: always just did both. But now I think about it,

475
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you get two hours just to do one,

476
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: or like sometimes I'll sometimes I'll just do hair, which

477
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: I love so much. Yeah, and I'm like, I have

478
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: two hours, right, this is crazy. And I've been doing

479
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: both for two hours forever and sometimes less than two hours,

480
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: and like, I've just gotten used to being so fast.

481
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily want to do that. It's like

482
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: you black out and you're just that. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

483
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: what was the question? I this No.

484
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: What I hear you saying is that one of the

485
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: unique skill sets you have is that you can do both.

486
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times, you know, in Nashville,

487
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: we've had to grow up that way, Like that was

488
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: didn't you? Oh, bra I do all three? I do

489
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: close too. I mean I just love it all.

490
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

491
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have a podcast and yeah that was

492
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, I just love all things beauty

493
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: and I'm going to learn how to do it. And

494
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: then that is why I narrowed mine down to just

495
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: working with men. And that's something that a lot of

496
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: people in Nashville don't do yet, but in bigger markets

497
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: like LA and New York, they do just make up,

498
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: just styling, just hair, and that's what you're saying. And

499
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: so it's kind of but it is a way to

500
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: carve out your own niche when you have different skill sets.

501
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just love working with somebody else. I can

502
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: get away with doing both. I do great at both.

503
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: Two hours is so much time. I'm like, I kill it.

504
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: But like, if you want me to be extraordinary, give

505
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: me one and give me two hours. Yeah, you know.

506
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: And it's really nice. And that's packing and unpacking and content. Yes, amazing. Yeah,

507
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: it's wonderful. That's the kind of life I've been wanting

508
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: to live recently.

509
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the older I get, the less I like

510
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: to do.

511
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny how that works. Also, there isn't any

512
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: other male grooms. I don't think it's maybe one.

513
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: I think male.

514
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think lots of people do men, but I don't.

515
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: Right, just me so low. But that's the thing. And

516
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: I think what you said about the vibe is really

517
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: important too, because it's like another thing that I've realized

518
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: is the energy I bring to set. That's a skill set.

519
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: So like you're in this industry and you're looking at

520
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: what are my skills? You really work on your makeup,

521
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: you really work on your hair, you really work on

522
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: your styling. It's also really important to look at the

523
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: energy you're bringing. And like a lot of times, the

524
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: job of a makeup artist is to make sure your

525
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: client's great before they walk out on the world's biggest stage,

526
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: you know, like the super Bowl or something like that,

527
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: and so energy really matters.

528
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree. There's so many layers of what we do,

529
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: and what stylists do and what photographers do. It's not

530
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: just like simple by any means.

531
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: It's just not a part to devalue. It's a big thing.

532
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: I always tell people.

533
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: Right, which is funny when people go, can I pick

534
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: your brain? It's like, no, just go do it.

535
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta feel.

536
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: Interesting to pick. Yeah.

537
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: Well, Tara and I got really close. You know. I

538
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: told you on set. Do you remember this. I said,

539
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to think about you for a

540
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: long time.

541
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: Over the years.

542
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't know what to think about you.

543
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: I probably had some misconceptions, which is easy to do

544
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: in our industry too. And then we got both booked

545
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: on a show that Trisha Yearwood and Garth Brooks did

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: about the opening of Garth's Bar downtown. So we got

547
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of cool time together, which I

548
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed and really got to know you and understood

549
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: you a lot better, and so it really blossomed our friendship,

550
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it really grew. And we were

551
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: sitting there one day, as you do on set when

552
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: you're there with people for I mean, I know more

553
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: about you than I probably do about some of my

554
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: close friends because we're spending hours together, you know, Yeah,

555
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: we're dissecting life as we do. And you said something

556
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: that made you say, I don't know that was just

557
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: me like kind of feeling that imposter syndrome thing. And

558
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: I was like, you feel that because I just never,

559
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: first of all, based on your personality, would have thought that.

560
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: But then also I look at your life and I'm like,

561
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: you have this big life, these big names that you

562
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: work for, Like you look like you're killing it on

563
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Instagram and all the things that we base success off of.

564
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: And you still feel that too. And I identified with

565
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: that completely, And people say the same thing to me,

566
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: what you feel that? Like, I just think it's really

567
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: important for people like us in these positions to talk

568
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: about that and to normalize it. Because when I heard

569
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: you say it, I was like, there it is again.

570
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: We're all the fucking same And no matter what level

571
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: of success you get to, I think there is always

572
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: a place to compare yourself to others and like feel

573
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 2: like you don't deserve to be there. So can you

574
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: talk through for the listeners just a little bit about

575
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: like what does that look like when that comes up

576
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: for you? And then what do you do to get

577
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: that narrative out of your head and keep moving forward?

578
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: I think for a long time, and I think a

579
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: lot of us did this where we wanted to be

580
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 3: the best. Yeah, and we wanted to have the biggest

581
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: clients and be the busiest, But it's not all it's

582
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: cracked up to be. I feel like there was multiple

583
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: years where I was working with the best and doing

584
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: the best and constantly working and was like the it

585
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: girl in town and a lot of people were mean

586
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: to me and hated me and like had misconceptions of me. Yeah,

587
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: when I feel like I helped this town in the

588
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: beauty space because I was posted about products and like

589
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: get repped by agencies and like doing those things that

590
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: people all my friends in LA and New York were

591
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: doing but nobody was doing here. And I've always tried

592
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: to share it with people. Yeah, you know, and I

593
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: think that imposture thing is when you try to like

594
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: build a community and then it kind of backfires, is

595
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: where I'm like, what am I doing that is so

596
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: awful that I can't like there's still a clique here,

597
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: There's still like I feel like I have to keep

598
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: proving myself in this town, which I do know that

599
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: this town and many industries are very clique and very whatever.

600
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 3: I have been that way before, and like, you know,

601
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: it's so gross whatever, But yeah, I think that's what

602
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: would make me feel like I don't understand like I

603
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: do what you do, or I do like I'm just

604
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: over here trying to do cool shit and you're like

605
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: it just kind of makes you feel like you're doing

606
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: something wrong, but you're not doing anything wrong. I still

607
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: feel that way sometimes. It's better now because I think

608
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: age and I've seen some of the most successful and

609
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: most powerful women that I've gotten the chance to work with,

610
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: they go through the same shit. I think it's just

611
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: the nature of the industry and this time of Instagram

612
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: where we do compare our lives to other people, but

613
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: none of it is real and I have watched somebody

614
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: that I admire struggle. I have watched rich, famous people

615
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: struggle or like not have a perfect life, just watched it.

616
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: So it's literally we, every single one of us go

617
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: through the same thing. It's just you have to like

618
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: flip it and turn it and nurture you as an

619
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: individual because we are not the masses. We are like individuals.

620
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: My career shouldn't look like yours. No, what I'm doing

621
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: shouldn't look like that other person. What I want for

622
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: my life is so cipic. It shouldn't be when you

623
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: look at like when you're like, oh, that person and

624
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: that person and that person, if you actually like looked

625
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: at their life, you'd be like, but I don't. I

626
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: don't actually want their life.

627
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: That would never work for me. Yeah, that would.

628
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: Never work for me. It's just like these little tiny

629
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: things that you like, then just go get them if

630
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: that's what you know, Like, it's you're playing yourself by

631
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 3: getting caught in the loop. My point is I'm guilty

632
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: of it too. It's not like easy for me or

633
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: whatever it's I think it's just like when it happens now,

634
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: I'm less on the on the Instagram I'm a little moor. Yeah,

635
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: you have to like not care as much too what

636
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: people think, because you're only like giving yourself imposture syndrome

637
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: because you think everyone's mad at you, because you think

638
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: everybody's on a group text talking to you about it's

639
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: labeled fuck Kelly Henderson. Yeah, like that's that's not real.

640
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: It's like nobody is thinking about you as much as

641
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: you're thinking about you.

642
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Nobody's the truth.

643
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but nobody cares. They're thinking about themselves.

644
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like cool. There's people that I like

645
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: don't want to work with me or they haven't had

646
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: good experiences with me, Like I'm sorry it didn't work out.

647
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: It is what it is like. Yeah, Like literally you

648
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: can't like go through this like make everyone happy situation.

649
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: It's just not real. And like you have to dig

650
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: down deep to like be really grateful and mindful of

651
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: the career that you have curated for yourself and if

652
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: there's an issue with it, then fucking.

653
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Change it and change it.

654
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: You know.

655
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: I think you make such a good point. Yes, yeah,

656
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: that's great advice. I think the best point that I'm

657
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: taking from that is just there's a space for everyone.

658
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: I think as women are taught that there is only

659
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: a small amount. You know, we've grown up being taught

660
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: about scarcity, like there's only so many men, there's only

661
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: so many jobs. There's only that's like a programming that

662
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: we as women have to drop. But it's a beautiful

663
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: thing when you can look at what exactly what you're saying,

664
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: like like you and I are not in competition. And

665
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: one of the things that that show brought me was

666
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: realizing like, oh, you're like me. You just want to

667
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: build other women up. I find that to be such

668
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, a beautiful quality that we're missing a

669
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: lot of. But yeah, we can all look at each

670
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: other and go, I like that about their life, Okay,

671
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I need to go add that to mine. If I'm

672
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: looking at them and comparing mine and going why don't

673
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: I have that, or just saying like good for them,

674
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: look at them out there and I'm also killing it.

675
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't take away from me killing it because they're

676
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: killing it.

677
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: I really have like learned a lot of like hard

678
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: lessons of like you could have it all, or it

679
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: could dip, it could this sic at that, it could

680
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: just be And we all have and I've watched some

681
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: of the best makeup and hair people and some of

682
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: like the richest famous. I've watched everyone trip and fall

683
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: and shitty things happened that no one is untouchable. It's

684
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: right point. So you have to just like be really

685
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: grateful for whatever you're trying to curate, you know, and

686
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: like be patient and like it's not about you, but

687
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: it is about you, like kind of thing and the

688
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: like crazy narky shit of like why is she working

689
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: with it? Because they like her, that's why. Yeah, because

690
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: they want to them, That's why.

691
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, move on.

692
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: There's so many people. There's so many people, and now

693
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: to me, I only want to work with people that

694
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: want to work with me. Yes, just like you don't

695
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: want to date people that don't want to date you,

696
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to work with people that don't want

697
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: to I.

698
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: Love that you just made that comparison because I have

699
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: found with clients it is so the same energy of

700
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: like if you're chasing a client and going what happened

701
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: or you're trying to like walk on eggshell so you

702
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: keep them, it's the same exact thing as chasing a

703
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: man with that same dynamic, you know, like you don't

704
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: want to chase a man who doesn't want to be

705
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: with you, or that you feel like you have to

706
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: walk on eggshells and not be to be with And

707
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with clients, Like you don't want

708
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: to do that either, So it shouldn't be so hard

709
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: to like keep the people that you are working with

710
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: if it's a good fit, and I shouldn't have to chase,

711
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: like it just is a good fit and it just

712
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: happens naturally and it flows, and it's very similar to

713
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: the dating world in my opinion.

714
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 3: You know, I've worked with people before, and I'm sure

715
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: people have worked with me before where they're like we

716
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: just like we'd a good fit, or like she gave

717
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: me anxiety, or like whatever it is, right, I felt

718
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: the same way with artists or like with people or

719
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: with clients or whatever, where it's like I just can't

720
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: do my best work with you. There's something like blocking

721
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: it and you're actually a better fit. I've even given

722
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: people clients because I'm like, I think they're a better fit.

723
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: I just it's not going to work with us or whatever.

724
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it is very dating, It's very Yeah.

725
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: Well, I would not be doing the listeners justice if

726
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you for makeup tips, so I told

727
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: you I need to know your five products. This is

728
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: what people always want to know for me too, and

729
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: I want I like to compare notes. But your five

730
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: products that you just feel like you can't live with

731
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: that or you would never leave and go to a

732
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: job without having in your kits. So can you give

733
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: the listeners those five products?

734
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: Yes? Something I do almost ever sing a morning. I

735
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: love the Peter Thomas Roth eye patches. Yes, because they

736
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: come in bulk and they it's like one hundred or

737
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: something in a little case. I put them in the fridge.

738
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: When I make my way downstairs to get coffee, the

739
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: eye patches go on. They're cold, they're sexy, they just

740
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: feel great. It's like become like a morning ritual for me.

741
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: A dupe is to just on Amazon type in bulk

742
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: eye patches. All different kinds will pop up and they're

743
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: like twelve dollars instead of like sixty five or something.

744
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: That's one okay. I die for a tinted moisturizer. I

745
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: wear a tinted oisturizer every day. It kills your like

746
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: two birds with one stone, like your SBF done and

747
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: like to even out your redness done to two birds

748
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: one stone.

749
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Do you have a specific one you live by or

750
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: just in general? TI moisturizers the.

751
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: Air Borian e R O b I An will literally

752
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: change your life. It's so sexy. I'm just out of

753
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: A one right now, but I'm actually living for this

754
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: naked Sunday one.

755
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

756
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: It's SPF fifty. It's a peptide foundation, so it's got

757
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: skincare in it, and it's it just lays on the

758
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: skin so beautifully. But they're much heavier than like a

759
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: tinted foundation.

760
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: To me, they're like the CC cream it Cosmo.

761
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. It's not that's a foundation. Yes, no, girl,

762
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: that's full covered.

763
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

764
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: The A three one three face off it's a French

765
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: kind of yummy retinall cream. It has changed the texture

766
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: of my skin faster than any other product has.

767
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: Okay, and what way A three on three.

768
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: The texture of my skin is just different. It's plumpy,

769
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: like my pores are chill. I just do it at

770
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: night like three or four times because it is a retinol. Yeah,

771
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: and I don't like peel like crazy. It's like an

772
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: ivy drip for your skin. It's so good. It's so good.

773
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: I am a huge fan of like body oil either

774
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: doing it in the shower. I think it's because it's

775
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: like the summer and I'm like out in the in

776
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: sun every day, but I look, I feel like a

777
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: leather bag. So I've been just doing like a lot

778
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: of like oils in the shower. There's this this Lamaire

779
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: body oil that I die for, but it's very expensive.

780
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: And there's a Coddily body oil that I'm like super

781
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: into right now too, and you just throw it on

782
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: in the shower while you're wet. And also little tip

783
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: when you do body oil on yourself, like immediately after

784
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: the shower, your percuta will adhere to it very well,

785
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: very long.

786
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah I did not know that.

787
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great little tippy tricky road tip.

788
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

789
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then any lip oil right now, I think

790
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: just because like it is the summer. Yeah, I'm like

791
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: I just turn into like a desert plant. So I'm

792
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: just like oil everywhere. Like I'm obsessed with the Midnight

793
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: Recovery from Keels. It's like the little old school but

794
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: it's so good.

795
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you find a good one though, I mean

796
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't matter if it's old school or not.

797
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta get out of the staples.

798
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. So those are my faves.

799
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: A lot of these are skincare and like actually prepping

800
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: the skin or keeping up with skincare and things like that.

801
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: So is that such a massive part of what you

802
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: would suggest to your clients before do with your clients

803
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: before you do makeup?

804
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I do a lot of skincare on

805
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: my clients, a lot of like limp drained before anything,

806
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: like really just to get the skin, like happy to

807
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 3: wear a ton of shit for hours. Yeah. But at home,

808
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: you should really put the time in to figure out

809
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: what works for you. And I know it changes as

810
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: seasons go and you can't just use the same thing

811
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: over and over again forever. Your skin will adapt to

812
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: it and then nothing of that brand will work. But

813
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: I think everybody can figure out what is good for them,

814
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 3: and I know it takes time sometimes, but I think

815
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: it's just really important.

816
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: I do you too. It's so funny that all of

817
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: your tips they were so in line with a video

818
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: a reel I just made, and it's the one tip

819
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: I love is the Peter Roth Thomas in comparison to

820
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: the bulk of the Amazon eye patches, because sometimes you

821
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: don't want to spend a ton of money, or if

822
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: you're using them every day, like I know you said

823
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: you were, like I say to people too, if you

824
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: can't afford it. Amazon does have great options of just

825
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: bulk product. And there's a sheep mask that I'm going

826
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: to post on my Instagram that I've been using when

827
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: instead of like Co two lift mask, which is really expensive.

828
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: I love that mask. It does wonders for my skin.

829
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: But sometimes I just need a really big hit of

830
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: moisture and hydration. And so this sheet mask specifically, I

831
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: buy in bulk, keep it in my refrigerator, same thing. Yes,

832
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: way to God, I did it today. It changes the

833
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: way I look like twenty years younger. It like completely

834
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: changes me from looking dry and crusty and like a

835
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: raisin into just like this like plump, little flour.

836
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: What is it?

837
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: I can I think it's meddi Heel is the name

838
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: of it. I swear by it. It's the hydrating one

839
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: and it's just you know, a fifteen minute sheet mask. Maddie.

840
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: It's the Korean If you want to do I'm always like,

841
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: I go, they know how to do this?

842
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see you later, yeah, see yeah later.

843
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: Well, you have some really exciting things coming up, which

844
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: is completely why we wanted to have this conversation. So

845
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: I sure do hold you guys about the singing. Do

846
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: you want to tell us a little bit about The

847
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: touch Up, which is your podcast that you will be

848
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: starting in September?

849
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Yes, girl, So I am starting a podcast and I'm

850
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: very excited. And my podcast mate is a friend of

851
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: ours and another celebrity makeup and hair artists. Who's her name, Yeah,

852
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: who's so stupid and funny. Her name is Mari Fandel.

853
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's called The touch Up. It is a

854
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: beauty podcast, but it's gonna be really fun and funny.

855
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: We will be having like fun guests on and we'll

856
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: be taking callers, so anybody can call in and get

857
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: any tips and tricks that they need from Ze professionals,

858
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: and it's just gonna be really fun. I'm really excited

859
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: about it. The studio is being built right now and amazing.

860
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: It'll launch mid September. I'm very excited about it.

861
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: Well, I know all the listeners want to makeup tips

862
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: and hair tips and so the fact that you guys

863
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: can call in and yeah, the tips like people are

864
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna have that.

865
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I think that's side. Yeah, it's like a hotline for

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Speaker 3: like beauty people. It's like a mighty hot line.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys noticed on zoom how it gives thumbs

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Speaker 2: up randomly? It just gave Taran a thumbs up for

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Speaker 2: my my video screen. I don't know why that keeps happening.

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Speaker 2: It's like there's just fans on me. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I did. I just moved my hands.

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Speaker 3: But I will find up.

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Speaker 2: You because I love the idea for the touch Up

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Speaker 2: and I will, Yes, I will. There it is I posted.

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Speaker 2: I will post the link in the description of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to link Parent's five favorite products in

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Speaker 2: the description of this podcast for you guys to go shop.

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Speaker 2: But make sure to go follow her on Instagram for

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Speaker 2: updates on the touch Up. Where would people find you?

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Speaker 3: Just my name at tarn Feldman t A R R

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Speaker 3: y N Feldman at E L D M A n uh.

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Speaker 3: You can go follow the touch Up podcast if you'd like.

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Speaker 2: Again, I will put all that stuff in the description

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Speaker 2: of this podcast for you guys. Tarreen, thanks for being

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Speaker 2: here with us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Cal, you've killed it. I feel like we don't

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Speaker 3: need to can this one.

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Speaker 2: I told her before if my insomnia kicked in and

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Speaker 2: it's terrible, we would re record. So now I think,

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Speaker 2: all right, I think we did.

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Speaker 3: We're yeah, we're fine because we're friends and we just

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Speaker 3: it's like a little just a little dance. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can sing sentences and I can laugh. That's

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Speaker 2: just kind of how this goes.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks, thanks again for being here. You guys go

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Speaker 2: check out herence Instagram and be on the lookout for

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Speaker 2: the Touch Up podcast. And thanks for listening.

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