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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Mark Christopher Lee is a musician from the band The

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Speaker 2: Pocket Gots and a documentary filmmaker focusing on the paranormal

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Speaker 2: and UFOs. His latest film, God Versus Aliens explores the

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Speaker 2: impact that first contact with extraterrestrials would have on the

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Speaker 2: world's religions and the role that artificial intelligence will play.

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Speaker 2: Mark Christopher Lee, Welcome to Coast to Coast, AM.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Yeah, very.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for inviting me on, Richard.

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Speaker 2: As much a prit pleasure my pleasure. In researching your documentary,

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Speaker 2: did you find that any in any of the texts

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Speaker 2: in any of the world's let's say, major religions mentioning

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Speaker 2: the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

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Speaker 4: I think there is an a roundabout way, and I

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Speaker 4: think the way the main three Aprahamic religions refer to

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Speaker 4: these as angelic beings. I think if you look at

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Speaker 4: especially the Old Testament of the Torah, we can see

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Speaker 4: lots of evidence of this that you know, these angelic

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Speaker 4: beings are basically extraterrestrials. And for instance, Moses when he

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Speaker 4: goes up to mant SINEI to receive the Tenker moments.

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Speaker 4: That's another other worldly extraterrestrial in County. He comes back

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Speaker 4: with a kind of glowing light, and that's mentioned in

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Speaker 4: the Bible. So he has some sort of interaction with

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Speaker 4: some strange Obviously that's God, but you could interpret it

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Speaker 4: as an extraterrestrial. I guess it comes back with a

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Speaker 4: translucent light around him, which is very very strange. And

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Speaker 4: that's what these angelic beings have when they interact with

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Speaker 4: the human world. So we could go back and evaluates

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Speaker 4: the Bible, for instance, with this mindset, and I think

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Speaker 4: it quite quite profound. Really, I think that.

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Speaker 2: We need to make a distinction between interdimensionals, those things,

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Speaker 2: those entities, let's say, that exist outside of our space

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Speaker 2: and time, versus extraterrestrials, things that exist within our space

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Speaker 2: and time, but albeit at vast distances. Because if we're

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Speaker 2: talking about interdimensionals and eventually we come in contact with

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Speaker 2: and some people claim that they do already and speak

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Speaker 2: with them and so forth. But if disclosure amounts to

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Speaker 2: an affirmation the existence of these interdimensionals, that might in

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Speaker 2: fact be faith affirming, because that sort of follows the

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Speaker 2: narrative of many of the world's religions. What are your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the position where I kind of

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Speaker 4: ended up after all this research, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 4: a couple of decades of looking into this, and I

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Speaker 4: come from a Christian viewpoint as well, that I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at what people are experiencing now in terms of UFOs

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Speaker 4: and contact with aliens. I think it is possibly inter dimensional.

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Speaker 4: It is something paranormal. For instance, it's not necessarily a

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Speaker 4: visit from et from you know, hundreds of light years away.

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Speaker 4: That's the conclusion I'm kind of reaching. I mean, that's

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Speaker 4: just my personal belief with everything I've looked at, but

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Speaker 4: that's where I'm looking at. I don't know whether's euthologists

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Speaker 4: from John Keel to Jacques Valet they proposed this as well.

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Speaker 4: And because there is the element of highest strangers with

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Speaker 4: these encounters that is possibly not just an interaction with

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Speaker 4: a physical being that maybe it comes an entity, is

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Speaker 4: an energy from a non human intelligence from another dimension,

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Speaker 4: another reality. And that's the mind blowing part of this.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's why we're not getting disclosure is always

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Speaker 4: getting pushed back. It's because maybe those that know that

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Speaker 4: it's far weirder than physical eats from another planet. It's

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Speaker 4: something far more strange, and that could be a reason

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Speaker 4: why we're not getting full disclosure at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Let's suppose so for a moment, that we're not talking

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Speaker 2: about in three dimensionals, that we are talking about extraterrestrials,

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Speaker 2: intelligent life, intelligent civilizations existing in other galaxies, perhaps even

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Speaker 2: in our own galaxy, interacting with human civilization. This, really,

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Speaker 2: I would imagine, would pose the greatest challenge to the

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Speaker 2: world's major because, as I mentioned in my introduction, at

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Speaker 2: least with the monotheistic monotheistic faiths, we tend to think

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Speaker 2: of ourselves as I think I used the term, you know,

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Speaker 2: the we are the apple in God's eye. We are

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Speaker 2: special in His creation. Now, you know, the Church capital

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Speaker 2: C has has managed to, I guess, show some theological

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Speaker 2: dexterity and being able to adapt to some of the

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Speaker 2: other challenges. And you bring this up in the film,

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Speaker 2: things like Darwin's theory of evolution, you know, Galileo and

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Speaker 2: could could the Church, could the major religions survive this

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Speaker 2: kind of disclosure. Extraterrestrials, not inter dimensionals, but advanced intelligence civilizations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good question. Possibly they could, like

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Speaker 4: like I've said in the film, have survived you know,

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Speaker 4: Darwin's evolution and you know that, and then Galileic Copernicus,

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Speaker 4: that's not the center of the universe, so survived massive

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Speaker 4: found impacts and somehow adapted and carried on. However, it

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Speaker 4: would depend on the extra trestrials that were, you know,

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Speaker 4: of superiority. And so the technology, and maybe also philosophically

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Speaker 4: and spiritually, maybe they've evolved to a higher level. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they they will bring their own god, God's teachings or

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Speaker 4: their own lack of gods. And then the question then

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Speaker 4: is would they impose what they believe in a reverse

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Speaker 4: colonialism whereas we went out and christianized a lot of

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Speaker 4: the world, would et for instance, come and you know,

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Speaker 4: impose its own beliefs or lack of beliefs on us

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Speaker 4: because you know they're going to be farm but of

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Speaker 4: your load bakes this question then et that's going to

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Speaker 4: would it impose that maybe for our own benefit or

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Speaker 4: maybe just because they can. I mean, these are the

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Speaker 4: questions I wanted to pose in the film that, like

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Speaker 4: you quite rightly said, we might have to face soon hopefully.

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Speaker 4: So I think we need to have a conversation about

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Speaker 4: this because you know, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 4: in the world that I have believe in a God.

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Speaker 4: And I just also asked, what are the main religious

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Speaker 4: authorities doing about this? There's been some some rumors that

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Speaker 4: the Vatican, the head of the Catholic Church, have already

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Speaker 4: prepared for this, and they do have people already appointed

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Speaker 4: to deal with this, right.

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Speaker 2: I think they staked out a position. I think you

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Speaker 2: mentioned it in the film. I think it was around

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Speaker 2: two thousand and was it two thousand and eight or earlier?

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Speaker 2: The yeah, the Church said, you know, if there is

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Speaker 2: in fact extraterrestrial life, we will. You know, we acknowledge

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Speaker 2: the possibility, and they would these entities would just be

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Speaker 2: part of God's creation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking to we have a Christian minister,

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Speaker 3: the Reverend Daniel Thompson interviewed in the film, and he

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Speaker 3: takes that position as well.

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Speaker 4: But he has no problem with the fact that you know,

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Speaker 4: there is going to be life elsewhere in the universe,

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Speaker 4: and it's all part of God's life. So it would

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Speaker 4: naturally come under the same religious I guess authority as

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Speaker 4: as we do, so we would all be governed by

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Speaker 4: the same God. So I don't necessarily think that there

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Speaker 4: is a conflict. It depends, like I said, on the

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Speaker 4: intentions of our visitors.

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Speaker 2: I guess you lay out a number of scenarios and

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Speaker 2: you just mentioned one that you know, ets could impose

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Speaker 2: their own religion, or they may they may look at

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Speaker 2: our religion is incredibly primitive. They may have their own

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Speaker 2: belief or or system of belief. They can, but also

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Speaker 2: they could also demonstrate with their technological advancement and so forth,

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Speaker 2: that then they are our creators. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: there are certainly there's school of thought among the UFO

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Speaker 2: devotes who believe that you know, we are creations of

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Speaker 2: of et. I mean that would, I would argue, pose

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Speaker 2: the greatest problem for the world's major religions for the

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Speaker 2: for ets to arrive and basically tell us we are

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Speaker 2: your gods.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that's the whole kind of ancient alien.

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Speaker 4: I guess ethos is that we were visiting and somehow

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Speaker 4: maybe we're some sort of hybrid or basically just developed

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Speaker 4: for the purposes of this extraterrestrial right, I guess. And

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Speaker 4: that wasn't the Zacharia sitution that looked at the ancient

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Speaker 4: Sumerian text and decoded them and found that this was

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Speaker 4: the case, and we were created as a slave race

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Speaker 4: for you know, an alien civilization. So with them coming back,

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Speaker 4: would that be them coming back to enslavers again and

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Speaker 4: to use this in some way maybe you know, life

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Speaker 4: on Earth. It's just one huge experiment. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: that would obviously that would be the scariest I guess,

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Speaker 2: Billy Graham, you quote him in the documentary as well.

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Speaker 2: He was quoted I think it was in the National Inquirer.

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Speaker 2: Occasionally they got it right. It wasn't all about you know,

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Speaker 2: Elvis and Bigfoot occasionally they got it right. What was

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Speaker 2: the quote I'm trying to remember from from evangelist Billy

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Speaker 2: Graham and his thoughts on the existence of extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 4: I was trying to remember to realize.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the apshot was that he believed he believed

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Speaker 2: that God created alien life, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It didn't seem to have a problem with it, and

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Speaker 4: he thought that it would fall under you know, under

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Speaker 4: God's God's realm of kind of would be you know,

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Speaker 4: brothers and sisters, I guess. And this kind of flies

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Speaker 4: which basically says that UFOs and aliens are demons, and

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Speaker 4: we've uncovered a lot of evidence that, you know, this

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Speaker 4: is the thinking that a lot of the US government

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Speaker 4: that's why, especially the UK government is not investigating UFOs

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Speaker 4: this that that do believe that this is a demonic entity,

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Speaker 4: Satan dominions, and it should be just left well alone.

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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be interacting or communicating with it. So Billy

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Speaker 4: had a different and it was the world's leading evangelist.

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Speaker 4: Evangelist at the time, had a lot of impact. But

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Speaker 4: it seems now that they're viewing the most possible hostile threat,

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Speaker 4: you know, an evil threat. Obviously I don't believe that's

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Speaker 4: the case, but it shows why that there's a pushback,

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Speaker 4: and people have said that's why possibly US Congress has

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Speaker 4: been pushed back. It is because of this this force

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Speaker 4: in power. I believe it's demonic.

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