1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit coming up on today's podcast. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: My story just out on what even makes a luxury 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: car these days? I know there's at least in my 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: own head, a lot of questions about that. And later 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: we're talking Mercedes. 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to talk about, by the way, 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: with Mercedes, because we got pictures of the baby g 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: which you know, you can google that and make your 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: own decision, but I think, well, it's it's interesting to 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: talk about. And then we got pictures of the the 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: g Wagon cabriolet. But you're driving actually what I think 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: is the very best Mercedes that you can buy if 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: you have an unlimited budget. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: I might agree with you. As much as I love 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: the g Wagon, I've been driving the AMG GT sixty 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: three se Performance, which is really a mouthful for just 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: basically the new AMGGT. And of course the thing to 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: know about this car is it now has a backseat 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: and an attempt to compete against the nine to eleven. 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,639 Speaker 1: So we can definitely discuss whether that helps or hurts. 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk it. Let's start though, with the brand that 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: we almost never talk about because it's an easy segue 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: to make. Toyota is also looking to compete against nine 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: to eleven. Just today or maybe last night, we started 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: to see news break with pictures and details about Toyota's 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: new gr GT that's what they're calling it. And it's 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: like developed by their Gazoo Racing Unit, which is certainly 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: the silliest name of any like you know, that's their 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: m works or their AMG or their Magma. They're calling 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: it Gazoo. 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: Racing and we can be forgiven for not knowing, and 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: our listeners can't too, because it doesn't exist in the US. 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: They don't sell these in the US. 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: Right, I mean this, this GRGT won't be sold until 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, So this at the earliest, the street 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: going version exactly of the GT three car that they 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: want to enter. They want to get into GT racing. 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: I think Lexis already does it right now with the LFA, 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: so they're going to do it with this. To me 42 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: looks gorgeous and a lot like the AMGGT. I mean, 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: do you think when you look at this thing, it's 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: got a huge long hood and then a two seater 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: with a cockpit way out back, and it's got a 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: big twin turbo V eight in the front as well. 47 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to strongly disagree and say it certainly didn't 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: call to Mind and Mercedes at all, but it does 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: look very Toyota. It reminds me of the old, older 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Toyota racers of course that we know and love, like 51 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Godzilla from back in the day, that are really worth 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Now, I don't you know, it's interesting. 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Just the proportions, like you know, the GT, the previous, 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: the AMG one before what you're driving, and like the SLS. 55 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: This is what the proportions remind me of. I hope 56 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: the doors don't just open like normal doors. 57 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Please, Yes, I totally get it. Yeah, I mean, if 58 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: we're talking long nose, Wow, that's really a long one. 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: It's like a Corvette, like the Corvette long nose, like 60 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: the AMG GT long nose. For sure. You know what 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: I felt driving. It's a different feeling from like a 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, for instance, which feels very centered. It 63 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: certainly feels like a huge protrusion to drive the G 64 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: drive anything in that shape, so to speak. Yes, but 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: obviously that's part of Toyota's heritage, and it's there for 66 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: a reason. I mean, do you like how that how 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: the car looks. 68 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: I like how it looks because at first I don't 69 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: like it. So this is one of those those designs, 70 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: those shapes where it looks like it's the wrong proportions 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: at first. It reminds me of there's a car in 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: an old Bugs Bunny episode that just you see the 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: hood pulling up for so long and then you know, 74 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: outsteps the rival too. Maybe it's Tom and Jerry outsteps 75 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, Jerry's rival or whatever with a diamond ring 76 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: for his girl, and that that kind of reminds me 77 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: of this. But I also like that Toyota has set 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: up so well for this release. So you know, we 79 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: used to write stories at Bloomberg about how they've missed 80 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: the boat on EV's and how could they not have 81 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: an vested in developing evs and they're going to be 82 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: so far behind when everybody else has developed the best 83 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: evs and Toyota has only gone with hybrids. And now 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: it looks like they were the smartest kid in class. 85 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: They've they've made so much money and saved so much 86 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: money that they're the number one most profitable car maker 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: in the whole world, and they've been making all of these, 88 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 2: you know, fuel efficient vehicles like the Prius, but everything 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: else they make it's fairly fuel efficient. So they have 90 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: really low average or high average fuel economy numbers, and 91 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: they can afford to put a V eight in this thing. 92 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 2: So now they're going to have six hundred and forty 93 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: one horse power six hundred and twenty seven pound feet 94 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: at least, that's what they say today about a car 95 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: that's going to be coming out in three years. But 96 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: I think it's great. You Now, everyone else is having 97 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: to scrimp and put out these VSE sixes, and no 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: one else has ever been able to do what really 99 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: what Portiae has done with the flat six or BMW 100 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: with the inline six. So I just think it's fairtastic, 101 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: it's cool. 102 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that. I any time 103 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: an automaker does a car that generates excitement, I'm all 104 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: for it. I don't even I honestly don't even care 105 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: what it looks like as long as it makes people 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: feel something. This is gonna be I mean, it looks, 107 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: it looks awesome. It looks to me very Toyota, and 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: I hope. 109 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: They do make it. 110 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Obviously, these are just rendering, so I'm always very skeptical 111 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: when an automaker just puts out some pictures and says 112 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: this is what it's gonna be in a few years 113 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: from now, and often that changes. But I hope they 114 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: can produce it. I hope they that it actually looks 115 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: like what we'll look these renderings here. And yeah, I 116 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: mean it is fascinating that everybody is coming out with 117 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: internal combustion, especially I'm I'm sure you saw the news 118 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: about Trump, you know, going back on some of the 119 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: fuel and emissions goals for the US, and. 120 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: It's already saved, dude, it's already saved. You know, American 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: car makers so much money in the order of billions 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: of dollars or at least more than a billion dollars 123 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: a year in savings for Ford, General Motors and stillants 124 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: because they don't have to buy these carbon credits from Tesla. 125 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: Whether you're for or against it, it's given them a 126 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: little bit more firepower. And the thing is, I'm not 127 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: sure everyone is going to be able to develop the 128 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: V eight in you know, they're more powerful cars obviously, 129 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: Ford has the Mustang obviously, you know, GM has the Corvette, 130 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: and they also have the six point two liter V 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: eight somehow and everything else, and then Stillantes is bringing 132 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: back the the hemy. But they all have to be 133 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: careful because when a new administration, if a new administration, 134 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: if we ever have an election again and someone else 135 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: is president who feels differently about you know, climate change 136 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: and the environment, they're going to put those caffee standards 137 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: right back on. And we know that it takes like four, three, 138 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: four or five years to develop a car, so I 139 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: don't think it's necessarily going to give us a whole 140 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: bunch more fire breathing V eights, But at least it's 141 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: a break for these car makers for the next for 142 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. 143 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Let's say I do agree that this this actually could 144 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: mean really nothing, because every time we have the chance 145 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: to talk to an auto executive, they all say, the 146 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: problem is the moving target. If we had a target 147 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: that we knew was immovable and would be, we'll hit 148 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: that target. But they all say it's the moving target 149 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: that is really difficult. So I do agree with you that, 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, for people who love internal combustion, they might 151 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: be cheering this, but also it may not necessarily mean 152 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: that we're going to see a bunch of internal combustion 153 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: vehicles coming out like this cool new Toyota. And I 154 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: have to say, for the record again, I am not 155 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: against electric vehicles at all. I think they have a 156 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: lot of great applications. Someone yesterday was saying to me 157 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: electric vehicles were simply a failure of marketing and they 158 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: were marketed wrong, and I said, well, I totally disagree. 159 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: There are a lot of reasons why electric vehicles aren't 160 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: the prominent and dominant cars on the road today, but 161 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: it has really, to my mind, nothing to do with marketing, 162 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: and it has to do with a lot of other things. 163 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think, but I think both can both 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: are true. Right. Marketing also wasn't done well And do 165 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: you think that, Yeah, I do, because they seem to 166 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: be only going after initially kind of like the Preus 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: crowd or it was like a fat ad for rich 168 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: people to buy Tesla's like a virtue signaling thing. And yeah, 169 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't start with Hey, these things can 170 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: be so powerful, And they didn't start with the big 171 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: bulky have you seen there was a fod dealer who 172 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: took a Bronco. I guess this is not an electric vehicle, 173 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 2: so that shouldn't There's I I have it. There's a 174 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: story about Scout, you know, Audi's brand that they're reviving, 175 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: and I'm excited about the uh the EV and apparently 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: Audi is going to make a G class competitor UH 177 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: that Scout will I guess, design and build so you'll 178 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: get these like butch looking, you know, very masculine, bulky 179 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: uh evs that I think Americans will want and probably 180 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: could sell. Well, I'm not saying the Audi will, but 181 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: I think the Scout probably will. 182 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: So you're saying Audi is planning to launch a large 183 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: SUV will appeal like an off road or that will 184 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: appeal to Americans. Yes, and well, I mean build on 185 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: a Scout platform. 186 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: This is the This is the rumor mill or what 187 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: I've seen from reading like autoblog and car scoops and 188 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: everything that. So since Folkswagen owns Scout and there's been 189 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: so much interest in that vehicle, which initially was planned 190 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: to be all EV and now the most orders are 191 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: for the EV that has a range extender, the Harvest version. Apparently, 192 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: now Audi is going to get Scout to build them 193 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: a big butch off road suv that obviously is only 194 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: going to be going to Starbucks and not off road, 195 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: but like the more expensive version, so it'll be their 196 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: g Wagon, but I'm guessing it'll also be an EV 197 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: like the G Wagon also EV itself. The what do 198 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: you call it, the eq G or whatever. That is 199 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: a great example of how you can have a big 200 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: butch off road suv. And I don't know I continue 201 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: to use that term, but that that is electric powered, 202 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: and the and the and the electric powertrain is perfect 203 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: for that kind of vehicle. 204 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: I drove that vehicle in Austria and it was great. 205 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Now they haven't sold a ton of them, but in 206 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: terms of performance it worked well. And this goes back 207 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: to my point about the marketing thing. I don't think 208 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: there's any I don't think you and I would say 209 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: that something like the electric g Wagon doesn't isn't a 210 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: good product. The problem is it's expensive, Yeah, and there's 211 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: not really a network to support it. And so why 212 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: would why would consumers aren't dumb? Why would they spend 213 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: more money on something that creates more inconvenience in their life? Yeah, 214 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: no matter, no matter, if it promises that they're going 215 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: to go to heaven for saving the world. 216 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: No, you hit the nail on the head. That's really 217 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: what it is. It's the expense that's the problem. So 218 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: of course the electric G hasn't sold very many because 219 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: it's like one hundred and seventy thousand, and that's before 220 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: you put options on it, right. But the cool thing 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: about and that's the case for a lot of these, 222 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: you know, the Audi was one of the first out 223 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: of the gate with an electric suv with the e Tron, 224 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: which was a really great vehicle, not a lot of range, 225 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: but very luxurious to a lot of people and expensive. Right. 226 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: The cool thing about the Scout is that it's supposed 227 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: to be only sixty grand to start, or maybe sixty five, 228 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: which isn't cheap, but it's one hundred thousand dollars less 229 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: than yes, the G. 230 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: And the other thing we have to remember too is 231 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: all of those federal incentives and rebates have now gone 232 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: or are disappearing, a lot of them, which also propped 233 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: up sales a lot of these vehicles. So now that 234 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: they are leaving or will soon some already have left, 235 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very interesting to see 236 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: how automakers, to your point, are able to try to 237 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: compete on a price on a price point with something 238 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: like a big SUV, Because you're right, like sixty grand 239 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: is not crazy for an sub's that's competitive. 240 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: I would say, by the way, while we're on price, 241 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: can I just say it is insane how expensive Porschas 242 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: cost new and used. So I was like, I was 243 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: seeing used prices are so high that I thought I 244 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: might as well. I'd be better off buying a new one, right, 245 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: So I go on the website to configure a new 246 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: nine to eleven with the manual transmission, and so I 247 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: click on the manual box and there's only one choice 248 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: below GT three. You can't get a manual in the 249 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: Krera s, you can't get a manual on the GTS, 250 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: you can't get it in the base obviously. You can 251 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: only get a manual transmission in the Kara Tea, which 252 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: we used to laud is like the smart guy's Porsche, 253 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: because okay, it only has three hundred and eighty horse power, 254 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: but it's the cheapest and on American roads, what are 255 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: you going to do with five hundred horse power? Anyway, 256 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: that thing starts at over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 257 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: That's wild. 258 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: It's in no bag. 259 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: Yes, and that I have to say, goes right into 260 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: this whole narrative that in September, according to Kelly Bluebook, 261 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: the average price of a new car in America today 262 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: hit over fifty thousand dollars for the first time ever. 263 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: The average price of a new car, and the thing 264 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: driving that rising average are two things, electric vehicles and 265 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: luxury cars like the kind that you're describing right now. 266 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: And we know that according to Bloomberg Intelligence, the average 267 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: price of any vehicle from Porsche on average, including all 268 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: the subs and everything, is over one hundred and fifteen 269 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So that and that obviously is being pulled 270 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: up by cars that you're describing. The manual stuff. 271 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know why, really, why don't they 272 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: just make more manuals. I don't understand why you only 273 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: offer a manual transmission on one vehicle. And the answer, 274 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: I mean, they say it's the take rate, and that 275 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: it's you know, you would be surprised how many people 276 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: don't choose the manual. But your resale value is going 277 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: to be so much higher. At the manual transmission. It's 278 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: got to be consideration, even for people who don't know 279 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: how to drive with three pedals. It's like, would you 280 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: buy a nine to eleven and not option the sport Krono. 281 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: That's the dumbest decision ever, because then no one wants 282 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: to buy it from you in the used market. I 283 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: think that Porsha is putting manual transmissions and fewer and 284 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: fewer cars because it somehow is more expensive for them 285 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: to do so. It's the same reason they're not putting 286 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: gauges in the dash is because it's more expensive. It's 287 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: the same reason they don't have a handbreak with a handle. 288 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: It's because it's more expensive. They're doing all these things 289 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: to cut costs on a car that costs three times 290 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: the average new car cost. It's insane to me. They 291 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: must be in absolutely dire straits. I also want to 292 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 2: tell everybody who's listened, thank you for putting up with 293 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: these little clicks and pops that you hear, because I 294 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: have a brand new headset and it's like degassing right now. 295 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what the deal is, but it's making 296 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: that all right, we are gonna take a break. We 297 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: come back, we'll talk about with so many luxury vehicles 298 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: on the market, how do we really separate the best 299 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: from the rest, or the fake from the real. Because 300 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: Hannah has a piece on what actually makes a luxury 301 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: car that's just ahead on Hot Pursuit. Welcome back to 302 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg. Grady, I'm Matt Miller here with 303 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: Hannah Elliott and Hannah, you and I have had a 304 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: discussion for a long time. In fact, you've kind of 305 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: changed my view on this with your kind of base 306 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: case for what makes sort of the thirty five thousand 307 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: foot view of what makes a luxury car. What did 308 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: you write about for Bloomberg Pursuits. 309 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: Well, it's something I think about quite a bit because 310 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: in today's market, we've got pickup trucks that cost one 311 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand dollars and we've got Mercedes that 312 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: cost forty thousand dollars. And you know, traditionally you think 313 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: Mercedes always luxury and pickup trucks non luxury. But it's 314 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: not that simple anymore. And you know, I spoke with 315 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: probably ten different automotive executives about this and how they 316 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: are defining luxury and how their customers define luxury, And 317 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: what I really came away with is that luxury is 318 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: certainly an ephemeral quality that is not defined by any 319 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: one thing. Nobody came back and said to me, luxury 320 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: is about performance, luxury is just about horsepower and sprint times, 321 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: or luxury is just about a certain price or a 322 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: certain popularity. It's a lot more nuanced, and I think 323 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: the number one thing people said is luxury is buying 324 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: into a family of like minded individuals where you feel 325 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: your own personal tastes can be communicated and then seen 326 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: and enjoyed among this family. So that was something that 327 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: Christopher Pegani told me about his clients, that Christoph Bugatti itemized, 328 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: that Chris brownwood Ridge at Rolls Royce. They all said, 329 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: it's about this close bond that when people buy the car, 330 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: they feel they're buying into an exclusive family that is welcoming, 331 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: that sees who they are on a very personal level 332 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: and then also reflects them. Which, yeah, that's like, that's 333 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: a little vague, but I thought that was very very interesting. 334 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because your initial concept, and correct me if I'm wrong, 335 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: is luxury has got to be real, so real leather, 336 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: the dash has to be inlaid with real wood, a 337 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: reduced amount of plastics of artificial right. And ever since 338 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: you said that, I've been a believer. You know, I'm 339 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: now whenever I'm trying to judge whether or not something 340 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: is a luxury car, I want to see if it has, 341 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, an actual clock rather than something digital. And 342 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: obviously automatic is better than courts. So but none of 343 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 2: these executives came back to that, because that's also you 344 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: could say, like maybe people are choosing people who would 345 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: normally buy a luxury product not to have leather their vehicles. 346 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that's an interesting point. Some automakers like for instance, Volvo, 347 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: don't even offer leather anymore. I would argue the point 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: about the thing being real still holds. It's one layer 349 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: because in some cars, like for instance, a cone Eseg, 350 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: those certainly are you could put them in a luxury 351 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: car category. But a con Seg is not going to 352 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: have a bunch of wood trim and lambs wool carpeting. 353 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: A cone Eseg is something very different, even though the 354 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: people who are in those circles, who own and drive 355 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: and collect those cars, feel they're receiving a luxury experience. 356 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: So I think the quality of the materials is one 357 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: very important layer, it's not the only layer. And now 358 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: automakers are taking a very holistic look at a broader 359 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: definition of what luxury means. For instance, we know that 360 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: my Czarati has really suffered in terms of residual values 361 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: and in terms of reliability, and Maserati vehicles right now 362 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: are not among the top five options you'd probably want 363 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: for a car in any given segment, even though Masarati 364 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: is an old brand with a lot of heritage. But 365 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I would not consider a Masarati a luxury purchase at 366 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: this point because they're falling behind in so many other 367 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: ways that the people who buy them are not getting 368 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: a full luxury experience. 369 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, totally. I mean, well, first 370 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: of all, it's interesting that you think of Koeniggeg as 371 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: luxury because I've always drawn a line between sports or 372 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 2: performance and luxury. And even though there are companies that 373 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: I know of that blur that line, like Pegani and Bugatti, 374 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: I guess I just don't know enough about Koenigzeg to 375 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: know if you can actually be customizable. Is also, you know, 376 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: bespoke is something that luxury should be so you should 377 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: be able to pick the materials and the colors, and 378 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: luxury isn't something that's just like off the shelf. You know, 379 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go and buy a luxury suit 380 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: without having it at least tailored. 381 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: One thing that a lot of automakers told me is 382 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: that the car needs to be deeply meaningful on a 383 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: personal level. And one way that that is communicated is 384 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: through actually innovation, and it's being able to have the 385 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: innovation to create ways for the cars to be incredibly 386 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: customized and incredibly bespoked to the buyer. And that applies 387 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: both Rolls Royces, which have you know, one hundred percent 388 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: of the phantom sold are heavily bespoked to the criteria 389 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: of the customer. But that also does apply to Conix eggs, 390 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: which are hand built on a very slow timeline. They're 391 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: extremely rare, and they are built to the exact specifications 392 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: of the person who is paying for that car. So 393 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: I do consider that a luxury. It's a different type. 394 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: It's a new type. This is kind of the whole 395 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: point of the story. Like this, in this current world, 396 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: there is a new definition of luxury, and it's not 397 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: just about a bunch of wood and lambswool carpets and 398 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: chrome in a Bentley. It's a lot bigger than that. 399 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: By the way, when you mentioned Maserati, I think of, 400 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: you know, things going wrong and breaking down, and I 401 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: don't have enough experience with that brand to say that, 402 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: you know, that's because of what's happened to me in 403 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: the past. It's just that I see these broken down 404 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: old Maseratis on, you know, on like a Craigslist all 405 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: the time. But I wonder if reliability is a part 406 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: of luxury or not, because if you think of like 407 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 2: the SZ bodied Rolls, Royce and Bentley's, they're definitely luxury vehicles, 408 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: but you can easily blow ahead gasket or have a 409 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: problem with the hydraulic system and end up with like 410 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars bills. Now, maybe it's no big deal 411 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: to rich people and so it can still be a 412 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: luxury product. But I would like I would prefer to 413 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 2: think of a luxury product as something like the Mercedes 414 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: over engineered Mercedes Benzes of the sixties and seventies, where 415 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: you know, they just spent so much to build these 416 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: things that they don't break down. 417 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Well. Certainly there are different rules for non new cars. 418 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: I think the piece that I wrote this week is 419 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: speaking strictly about new cars, you know, the brand new stuff. 420 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: In terms of in terms of collectible cars, that's a 421 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: whole other world. And you're completely right, I think reliability 422 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: goes out the window. That's a completely different animal. 423 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I think there's a lot of 424 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: new cars that seem to be engineered only to last 425 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: the life of the first lease. You know, in terms 426 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: of reliability, there are some very expensive German brands that 427 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: I suspect engineer cars to work very well for three 428 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: or four years and then everything starts to break and 429 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: it costs a hell of a lot of money to fix. 430 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: And they do that because they know that most people 431 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: are just swapping in and out of them, always wanting 432 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: to have the newest thing. Whereas back in the day 433 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: when my grandmother bought a car, you know, you would 434 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: buy a Rolls Royce, even though it was a huge 435 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: outlay if you had the cash, because you knew that 436 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 2: you would be driving that same Rolls Royce or your 437 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: driver would be chow foring you around in it for decades. Right, Yeah, yeah, I. 438 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Admit, And this is something we talk about all the time. 439 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: But I like, I think that mentality is a better mentality. 440 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: I think it's you buy something expecting to own it 441 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: and keep it for a long time. Now, I am 442 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: curious about this you have about the purposefully engineered to 443 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: break thing. Well, I don't know how to say that 444 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: in a better way. This is an interesting Is this 445 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory? 446 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: No, it's not. I don't think. I don't think that 447 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: they engineer these things purposely to break, like a you know, 448 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: range Rover or Mercedes, like the air suspensions that all 449 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: of these very luxury, luxurious cars have. They're just complicated 450 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 2: systems that are difficult to make durable. So if you 451 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: have somebody, you know, abusing these things by driving them, 452 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: by commuting in them every day in the Northeast or 453 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: around Chicago, or you know in American places where the 454 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: roads are awful, they're just gonna need to fix and 455 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: any kind of fix because they're computerized with so many 456 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: specialized micro chips and you know, expensive, you know systems 457 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: that you know, it's just not going to work for 458 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: much longer than one, one or two leases. So I 459 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: don't think they're doing it on purpose. I just think 460 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: when they're faced with a more reliable choice, they realize 461 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: that's not as luxurious, and they're willing to inflict the 462 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: costs on the second or third owner. By the way, 463 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: I want to thank all of our listeners for putting 464 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: up with this annoying clicking that you might be hearing. 465 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: I have a new headset right now, and I believe 466 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 2: it's like degassing or something, but every time I move 467 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 2: even a little bit, it creaks. The NVH on this 468 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: headset has not been addressed. I need to get some 469 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: WD forty. So anyway, thanks for that. Let's move on. 470 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: Coming up, we're going to talk a little Mercedes. You'll 471 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: hear my take on the twenty twenty five Mercedes Benz 472 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I've been driving all week. I'm Hannah Elliott with Matt Miller, 473 00:28:51,720 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg Radio. Welcome 474 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: back to Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Hannah Elliott 475 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: here with Matt Miller, and let's talk about Mercedes. The 476 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: AMGGT that I was driving all week. This is the 477 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: car if you've seen it on my Instagram, that is 478 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: in the desert sand color, which has gotten a ton 479 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: of feedback, both positive and negative. Some people have said 480 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: it looks like a hearing a device, and some people 481 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: have said it looks incredible. I actually like, I think 482 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: it's cool. It's probably not the best color ever for AMGGT, 483 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: but it's cool because it's different and it stands out. 484 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: And you're not like it feels don't like it that 485 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: desert sand. You don't like it, And like everyone's everyone 486 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: has come out with the version of that. I noticed 487 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: Nathan Hoyt said he thinks it rules, and I respect 488 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: his opinion, Like, yeah, but I don't. And then, by 489 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: the way, the same thing when I got my I 490 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: got a Chevy Silverado ZR two back in like a 491 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: few years ago, and that color was very hot and 492 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: popular at the time, and I didn't get it then 493 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: I don't get it now. It honestly, it looks like 494 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: the color of a girdle, you know. It's like it's 495 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: like the color of stockings that my grandmother would buy 496 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: in an egg at the grocery store, you know, I do. 497 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: I do agree with the idea that it would make 498 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: sense perhaps on a get wagon or some sort of 499 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: off road rig because it is very desert safari ish. 500 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: You could say, excus that way. I don't disagree with 501 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: you that it's like, I don't It could be bad. 502 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: It could be bad. I think I'm very much swayed 503 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: by the wheels, which are these forged split spoke gold 504 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty one inch rims that someone said to me they 505 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: look like Lamborghini wheels in a good way. They look 506 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: so cool, and I think it just made the color pop. 507 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: And when I first saw the car, I was not 508 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: expecting it to be in that color, and I was like, wow, 509 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: that is different. It's definitely like in La where everybody 510 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: has a nine to eleven. If you really want to 511 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: stand out and get something that's different that will make 512 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: people look at you, this is a good option, especially 513 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: if you get it in this color. 514 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I would way rather have this car than the 515 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 2: nine to eleven I have, so let's talk about that. 516 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: I also spend a week driving competitor. And first of all, 517 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: which wheels do you have? Do you have the Monroni 518 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: in front of you? Because I have my configurator open, 519 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: Yes I do, so I've got what's the official name 520 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: of those those wheels? Are they? The ten? 521 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Official name is twenty one inch AMG forged split spoke 522 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: in gold, and they cost an extra twenty nine hundred bucks, 523 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: which I think is worth it the car. The suggested 524 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: retail price of this car is one hundred and ninety 525 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, and the total retail on the version 526 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: that I drove is two hundred and twenty one thousand. 527 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think those oh it's expensive. Yeah, and those 528 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: those prices are actually low because I've well compared my configurator. 529 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: I've opened up my configurator. I chose olive green and 530 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: the wheels, you said, And I'm already at two hundred 531 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: and seventeen, so I haven't even picked an option yet 532 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: other than the color and the wheels. And we can 533 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 2: get back to this because I think the color is 534 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: massively important. I used to wonder why they charged so 535 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: much for different colors, and now that I'm in the 536 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: market for a used car, I really understand it. But yes, 537 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: this car, I want to hear your take because I 538 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: think it's a far better choice than almost any nine 539 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: to eleven. You can get the amount of power. The 540 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: sheer numbers are mind blowing. I can't remember exactly, but 541 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: they're like eight hundred and twenty four horsepower and over 542 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: one thousand pound feet of torque. 543 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, eight hundred and five combined horsepower one thoy 544 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: forty seven pound feet of torque. We should say this 545 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: is a V eight hybrid and it's also four wheel drive, 546 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: so it's the dynamics of the car feel very different 547 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: than driving a nine to eleven. It's heavier, I mean, 548 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: just straight up, it's heavier, but it also over eight 549 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: hundred horsepower. 550 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: To your point, I thought it doesn't feel as fast 551 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: as the numbers suggest when I was driving it. 552 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Well, there there's a reason for that. It's pretty heavy. 553 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: It weighs over forty five hundred pounds. 554 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: Well, but it feels incredibly luxurious. I mean not like complicated. 555 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: And the interior I thought was pretty simple, but I 556 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: would say elegant. But it feels like a super luxury vehicle. 557 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely completely. It's the it's the total package. To me, 558 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: it's it is the total package, and there is a 559 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: part of me that is a First of all, it 560 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: drives fabulous. This is the quickest Mercedes currently that you 561 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: can buy right now. It's the numbers, like we say, 562 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: speak for themselves. It really handles incredibly. It feels very 563 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: different to drive than a nine to eleven. First of all, 564 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: the proportions are different. The nose, like we said before, 565 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: is longer, it's more stretched out, it feels bigger, it 566 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: feels wider, it feels bulkier. So it's not an exact 567 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: comparison driving wise, but I think it is a really 568 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: interesting option that somebody should test drive before just diving 569 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: into getting a nine to eleven, because it's different. It's 570 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: it is different, and it's a fabulous car. 571 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: Well, the motors in the front, for one thing, like 572 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: every other car in the world. The coolest thing about 573 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: the nine to eleven is that the motor is behind you, 574 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: so all of a sudden you're in like Lamborghini Ferrari 575 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: territory without spending that much money. And there's you know 576 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: what else, what other rear engine what other mid or 577 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: rear engine car is there? I guess you could say, well, 578 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 2: Corvette obviously, and then you've got like, you know, Boxers 579 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 2: and stuff. But this, like every other normal car, has 580 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 2: an engine in the front, which is why I think 581 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel anything like a nine to eleven to 582 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: begin with. But I think it's the greatest thing you 583 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: can get from Mercedes. I mean, it's the most special. 584 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: Did you ever drive the GTR the AMGGTR back in 585 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. 586 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: No, I never got to, but I did. You must 587 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: over them and drool over them as they were driving. 588 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: I think the AMGT was a better looking car in 589 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 2: that generation. 590 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that the GTR. And I remember 591 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: I actually pulled this up because I loved it so much. 592 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, I said that the best car I 593 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: drove that entire year, the one that I want, that 594 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: I will not forget, is the GTR, the AMG GTR 595 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: from that specific year. It looks perfect. It's so cool, 596 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: it looks so cool. I don't think the new one 597 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: looks quite as good. The proportions slightly different. 598 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the new one, their proportions make a lot 599 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 2: more sense. And this is what I was saying at 600 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: the top, Like the amggt's and I would take, by 601 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: the way, a gt R, a GTS, a GtC, I 602 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: don't care. Yeah, those when they pulled up, you were like, 603 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: that doesn't look right at first, because the nose is 604 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 2: too long in proportion to the rest of the car, 605 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: and it's that jarring kind of wakes you up and 606 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: you notice it and then you're like, damn, that looks awesome. Yeah, 607 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think this one looks too 608 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: too normal in comparison to that. But obviously it's gonna 609 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 2: be a newer, faster, it's going to hold the road better, 610 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: and maybe it won't be as special as the amggt's, 611 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: and they themselves weren't as special as the sls. But 612 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: I just think it's a it's a home run. I mean, 613 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: it's a slamm dock. This thing is just incredible. 614 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: I agree. We should also say miles per gallon combined 615 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: is almost thirty miles per gallen, which for a car 616 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: with eight hundred horsepower is pretty incredible. And again, for me, 617 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: the mileage thing is more about I don't want to 618 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: have to break up my day to stop for gas. 619 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm going to hell for this, but I 620 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: don't care as much about like miles per gallon. I 621 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: care about having to stop at the gas station less, 622 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: just the truth. 623 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: Look, you're going to be able to hit these high 624 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: numbers with hybrids. But this is another reason I think 625 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: hybrids are are the way forward. Yeah, the packaging maybe 626 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 2: isn't right on all of them, but this is why 627 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 2: I like, for example, the Corvette E Ray. You still 628 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 2: have the power, the ferociousness, the brutality of the big 629 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: V eight behind you, but you have an extra push 630 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 2: or pull in the case of the Corvette, because it's 631 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 2: on the front wheels of the battery, and it just 632 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 2: makes it so much quicker. It makes it so much grippier. 633 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: Obviously it makes it heavier and more complex, which is 634 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 2: also which a lot of people could see as a problem, 635 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 2: and I'm sure at some point will become a problem. 636 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think it's a fantastic car. By 637 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: the way, when I go on the configurator to build this, 638 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: to build my own version of a two hundred and 639 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars car, there are i mean like one 640 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: hundred different color choices, and I'm not exaggerating. And I 641 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: used to wonder, like, why would someone pay an extra 642 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 2: you know, when the AMGGT came out, they offered it 643 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: an exclusive Sunbeam yellow for an extra ten thousand dollars, 644 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: and I thought, who would pick that? Like, first of all, 645 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: a yellow car is always a mistake, but also paying 646 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 2: an extra ten thousand dollars. I thought it was silly 647 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: and why would they charge you for that? But now 648 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: that I'm looking at old cars and everyone, for some 649 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 2: reason or the most people have for some reason chosen 650 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: black or white trs to colors that I don't want. 651 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 2: And then I'm looking at a respray. I realized that 652 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: a total paint job done well is going to cost 653 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars. So then ten thousand for the 654 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: sunbeam yellow doesn't seem too much to me if it 655 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 2: were a different color than yellow. So now that Mercedes 656 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: is offering like one hundred different sort of PTS style colors, 657 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 2: and it's completely worth it, I think, because you separate 658 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: your vehicle from every other one on the street. And 659 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: it gets back to your point about what real luxury is. 660 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: Completely this desert sand color. I know a lot of 661 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: people hate it, including you, Matt, for reference sixty five 662 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: hundred dollars extra to get it painted like that. Here's 663 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: one thing on the topic of color that I have 664 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: never understood. Any time I'm talking to car guys and 665 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: I do mean guys, and I say what car do 666 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: you have? And they nobody says the color of the 667 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: car until I ask what color is it? Why is that? 668 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 2: That's a good point. Actually, I was just uh, I 669 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 2: was just listening to Doug DeMuro talking about his new 670 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: his new nine nine three turbo that he got and 671 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 2: the other two guys on his podcast. Their first question 672 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 2: was what color? It is everyone's first question whenever you 673 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: say you have a new question. 674 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: But why don't people just say it like, oh, it's 675 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: a red whatever? 676 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. It's a good point. Like if I 677 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 2: were Doug, I would have said, yeah, I got an 678 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 2: Arena red nine nine three turbo, right, you know, but yeah, 679 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: you're right, But it is the first question. And why. 680 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 2: What struck me as funny is he's talking to these 681 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 2: two like total car guys, dudes who know like every 682 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: vehicle ever made and each trim level and you know, 683 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 2: the different specs on different generations, and they know so 684 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 2: much about the car, the vehicle, the engine, the handling, 685 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: you know, and yet their first question is what color. 686 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: It seems so elementary, right, it seems so basic. 687 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: Well, colors are emotional, you know, the colors are. It 688 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: makes me feel like a kid. If I see a 689 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: cool color, I feel like I did when I was 690 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: a little girl. You get excited, you. 691 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 2: Know, And this is this is why I think it's 692 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: worth it to spend the extra ten grand. I mean, 693 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 2: if you're buying this car, it's already a two hundred 694 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 2: thousand dollars car to start with, so you might as 695 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 2: well sink ten grand. 696 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Another question for you on this car. Would you pay 697 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: an extra twenty one hundred dollars for a panorama roof 698 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: on this car? 699 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 2: So personally I would, But there's so many people out 700 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: there who are opposed to sunroofs and panorama panorama roofs 701 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: because they're heavier. I don't know if that's the case 702 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 2: with this I don't know if that's the case with 703 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: this current technology. But I as a very tall person 704 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: in a sports car, and you had the same experience 705 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: when I pull up to a stoplight. If I'm the 706 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 2: first car at the intersection, if there's a hard top 707 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 2: and there's no panoranama roof, or if there's a sunroof 708 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 2: and it's closed, I have to lean forward over my 709 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: steering wheel and look up a lot of times to 710 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: see when the light's going to turn green. Right. This 711 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 2: is an experience I had in my old nine to eleven. 712 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 2: So with my nine to eleven, I had the glass 713 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: roof so I could lean back and look up through 714 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 2: the roof at this at the stoplight for its turn 715 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: green and it was falling. For Yes, that's why I 716 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 2: need to be able to see through the roof essentially, 717 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: And to me, it's worth like I was just configuring 718 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: a Kara tee on the Porsche website, and you can 719 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 2: option the carbon fiber roof, right it saves forty pounds 720 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 2: forty pounds. Do I care about forty pounds. I've lost 721 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 2: twenty nine pounds in the last three months, so I'm 722 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 2: already saving almost all of that. Thank you very much 723 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 2: doing the work it for yourself exactly. So you know 724 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 2: a lot of people I think are going to choose 725 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 2: the carbon fiber roof even though they weigh two hundred 726 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 2: and fifty pounds and they should just go on to 727 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 2: die instead. 728 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, I agree. This car did have a panorama roof, 729 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: and it had gobs of headspace gobs, gobs cobs like 730 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: I could have worn my tallest hat and been and 731 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: still had multiple inches ahead of over my head. So 732 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: you're whenever you get in this one, Matt, You're gonna 733 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: love it because it's really really big in the cabin. 734 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 1: And the other thing I liked about this panorama roof 735 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: is the shade for it was just like a normal handle. 736 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: You just moved it with your hand. There was no button, 737 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: there was no switch to hold down while the shade 738 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: slowly gets pulled forward automatically. It was literally just you 739 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 1: move the shade with your hand like a normal thing, 740 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: which was so much better. And it was another case 741 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: of probably lighter, one less thing to break, and actually 742 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: quicker and simpler than trying to put technology up there 743 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: to hold a button down to close and open this sunshade. 744 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 2: Brilliant. I love things that are manual me too, As 745 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: you know. It was great. 746 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, you are really the. 747 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 2: Fewer things to break the better, is what I'm is 748 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 2: what I've been thinking about a lot a lot lately. 749 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: Agree. 750 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I would guess that's all we have 751 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: time for this week, Is that right? 752 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you to everybody who writes 753 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: into us. We really appreciate the dialogue. Remember to follow 754 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: and subscribe to Hot Pursuit on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere 755 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: else you listen. You can also send us your comments 756 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: by emailing us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. 757 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've gotten some pretty awesome emails, I should 758 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: say lately. Yes, you know that one of my favorite 759 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 2: podcasts like and probably my most watched YouTube channel is 760 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 2: TfL right The Fast Lane Trucks, And I got an 761 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 2: email from Roman who used to who was a guest 762 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: on our show at one point, So I thank him 763 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 2: for listening, and I also want to tell everybody who's listened, 764 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 2: thank you for putting up with these little clicks and pops. 765 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: Lead here, I can't hear it at all. Matt, you're 766 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: loud and clear for me. 767 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 2: Good good, good good, all right, Well, keep writing into 768 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 2: us at Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net and tune 769 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 2: back in next week, same time, same place. I'm Matt Miller. 770 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 2: We'll see you again next week