1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Book Club book Club book Club book Club, book Club. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Bu bu bu bub bub. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: It's the cools Un Media book Club, your book club 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: where you don't have to do reading because I do 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: it for you. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: And if you listen to this show, you don't have 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: to pay taxes. Also true, that's what the government says. 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: And this month, if you're gay and a very very 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: broad umbrella of gay, you also don't have to pay rent. 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is all in the constitution. You know, 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: our founding fathers, they were wise men. They thought of 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: all this. They thought primarily of this book club. You know. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you did a whole Behind the Bastards episode about 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: how much they love cools Un Media book Club. Isn't 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: that right? 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: About how Thomas Jefferson knew you, Margaret Kiljoy before you 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: were born and planned this whole country to facilitate our 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: book club. 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: What a terrible cost, you know, But the cost has 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: already been paid. 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: So many people have to make this book club possible market. 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: And if I had had any say at the time, 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have let it happen. But it did happen, 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: and now we have nothing to do but use the 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: time that has been given to us by the immeasurable 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: suffering of those who've come before us. So this is cool. 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: As on Media Book Club, we're in part two of 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: Party Discipline by Cory Doctoro, and I was thinking, no 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: one's coming in just on part two. So we'll just 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: get right into it, and we'll say that where we 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: last left our heroes, they were planning a communist party 33 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: at a factory, which is when you take over a 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: factory and start using its machinery to print stuff to 35 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: give away, which is a type of communist party I 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: like more than the other kind, if I have to 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: be honest. But they just got pulled into the vice 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: principal's office by a cop. What's gonna happen? Who's to know? 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: We can only find out by listening right now. The 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: cop pulled the vice principal's chair out from behind the 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: desk and sat down on it in front of us. 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: He didn't say anything. He was young, I saw, not 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: much older than us, and still had some acne on 44 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: one cheek. White dude, not my type, but good looking, 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: except that he was a cop and he was playing 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: mind games with us. Are we being detained? Somewhere in 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: my bag was a Black Lives Matter bust card, and 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: while I'd forgotten almost everything written on it, I remembered 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: that this was the first question I should ask. You 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: are here at the request of your school administration. Oh, 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: even when there wasn't a fresh lockdown, the administration had 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: plenty of powers to search us, ask us all kinds 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: of nosy questions after a lockdown. Forget it? Are we 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: entitled to lawyers? Charrell's voice was a squeak, but I 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: was proud of her. She remembered the second line from 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: the bust card, you are not. The cop looked smackably smug. 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: I didn't say anything. That was definitely the third line 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: on the bust card. Keep your damn mouth shut. He 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: didn't say anything either. Well, I wasn't gonna be the 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: first one to speak. The silence went on so long 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: I started to worry that I was going to bust 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: out laughing because I was damned silly, the three of 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: us sitting there in total silence, playing foolish head games. 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: I could tell Charrelle was on the verge of giggling too, 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: that psychic thing you get with your best girlfriends. Don't giggle, 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: don't do it, I thought, at her. I was sure 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: she was doing the same thing for me, And you 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: know what it's like when someone tells you not to 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: laugh when you're about to laugh. That makes it a 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: thousand times worse. I swear we'd have burst something if 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: the cop didn't finally speak, what do you know about Steelbridge? Girls? 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: At first, it was just the girls, I noticed, because seriously, 73 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: who the hell was this kid to be calling me 74 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: a girl? Then I tried to figure out what Steelbridge 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: was because the name did ring a bell. My cousin 76 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Antoine is a sheet metal worker. There, Oh, that's steel Bridge. 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: I was surprised at first, but Charrell was telling them 78 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: anything they couldn't learn with one pass through her social media. 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: He did the silence thing again. Someone needed to teach 80 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: that boy a second interrogation technique now that we knew 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: what this was about and what he was trying for, 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: the hardest thing about these silences was fighting the giggles. 83 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: What else do you know about steele Bridge? He was 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: terrible at his job, maybe too terrible. Could he be 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: trying to law less into a false sense of security 86 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: about his cluelessness. If so, he was being pretty obvious 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: about it. Maybe he was a double bluff then, But nah, 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: he didn't seem smart enough for that, So maybe triple bluff. Okay, 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: maybe I was getting nervous too. I don't see what 90 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: this has to do with school. Didn't you say this 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: came from the school administration? What do they have to 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: do with some company and Encino? Oops? Well it wasn't Encino, 93 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: but the fact that I knew it was was more 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: than I wanted to say. Well, nay, you are not 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: as smart as you think you are. We requested that 96 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: they put us in touch with you too. He was 97 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: pretending he hadn't noticed me saying Sino badly. He jumped 98 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: like I'd stung him. We're worried about you, he sucked 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: at being fatherly more staring games were worried about you. 100 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: You said that we're worried that there may be some 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: illegal activities coming up at this factory, labor trouble, felonies, 102 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: jail time. I hear you two are good students. I 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: don't think you want that kind of trouble, not so 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: close to graduating. Was that whole lockdown just so you 105 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: could get a look inside our backpacks? When Charrell said it, 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: I stared at her in disbelief. But the cop blushed 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: like a stoplight. Shit, that's crazy, how can that even 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: be legal? The cop actually rocked back in his chair. 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: You two are too smart to be in this kind 110 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: of trouble. I wouldn't want to see you throwing away 111 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: your lives. I had to look at your grades. You 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 2: could go to a good university. He gave us what 113 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: must have been his most significant look. It's better than 114 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: going to prison for twenty years. The way he was 115 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: talking and looking at us made me think that he 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: wasn't as confident as he should be. I wondered why, 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: how long after a lockdown does the school have to 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: allow students to talk to their lawyers. He squeezed his 119 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: eyes shut and rubbed at them with his forefinger and thumb. 120 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: Everything you do from now on will be logged. You're 121 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: in this investigation. Remember that he stood up and left 122 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: the office. I guess I knew the answer about the 123 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: lawyer thing. Tutelou Charrell only mouthed the words, but it 124 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: still nearly set off my giggles, and I glared at her. 125 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: It had been old and corny for almost as long 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: as by Felicia, but it was also something both our 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: mothers would smack us for saying and that made it 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: damn funny. Just then, once the door clicked shut behind 129 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: Detective No Name, Charrell jumped up and started throwing things 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: in her bag quick as she could, and I did 131 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: the same. After a second, I took the hint of 132 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: her not saying anything and worked silently. But you know else, 133 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: what doesn't do good ad transition because tired is Margaret 134 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: and this now ad time. 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: We're back, and you know, Margaret, I am kind of 136 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: thinking Corey does a really good job depicting the ways 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: in which the legal system can fuck you over. Having 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: a cop like this who will admit, yes, everything is 139 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: on the record right now that you're talking about is 140 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: a little optimistic, even for like how cops actually treat 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: kids in these situations. I know, like at least he 142 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: did say yes, everything is like you are. 143 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think he's trying to scare them straight 144 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: more than like entrap them. 145 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that is a kind of guy in 146 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: this situation too. 147 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, outside the school, I let my feet autopilot me 148 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: to the uber van stop, but she dragged me away 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: toward downtown. There was a row of automats Korean tacos, pizza, okay, bowls, 150 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: all serving scop all places I never went. She pulled 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: me into a rice pudding place with two hundred flavors 152 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: and no customers. She bought a large one, and when 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: the window opened, with the rice putting steaming on its 154 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: little tray, she plopped her phone in it and snapped 155 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: her fingers at me. I passed her my phone, not 156 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: quite believing I was doing it, and watched as she 157 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: dropped it into the rice pudding as well, then closed 158 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: the door. All right, they're safe now, They were the 159 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: first words either of us had spoken since the cop 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: had left Cherrelle. Why is my phone in a bowl 161 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: of rice pudding? She I rolled me. The vending machines 162 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: are shielded to keep identity thieves from putting in skimmers. 163 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: Once our phones were inside it, they couldn't get any 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: network service, no matter what. I shook my head. How 165 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: do you know that? I just do? Okay, I know people, 166 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: I snorted. She knew the same people I knew, plus 167 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: orus five percent. My guess was that she'd read this 168 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: online somewhere one of those hashtags resistance sights. Okay, then, 169 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: why is my phone in the pudding, because dummy. If 170 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: the pudding is left on the release bed, the machine 171 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: thinks you forgot it, and it chimes you a few times. 172 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: See it was chiming us and flashing a light. But 173 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: if there's anything on the food bed, it starts taking 174 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: pictures and analyzing them and sending them to the bomb 175 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: squad just in case. So we put the phones in 176 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: the pudding and then we get them back and wipe 177 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: them down and we're done. But Scherill, it's pudding, she shrugged. 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: Waterproof is putting proof? What if someone comes in for 179 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: rice pudding? She gave me a look, girl, knowing he's 180 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: rice pudding. That shit is gross. I didn't tell her 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: that was my favorite dessert. My stomach was all in thoughts. Anyway, 182 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: how do you know all this, she shrugged. Looked it 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: up back when you first started talking about communist parties, 184 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: I started talking about communist parties, Maybe I did. Maybe 185 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: it was me that started it. I'd always been fascinated 186 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: by them, that was for sure. Why, Because Linee, for 187 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: a smart girl, you are sometimes Hella dumb. If you 188 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: were going to go and get into trouble, I wanted 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: to know what kind and what I could do to 190 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: take the edge off of it. That stole the words 191 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: right out of my mouth. Scharrell had done that before, 192 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: taken my crazy plans and turned them into careful schemes. 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: But I hadn't been thinking of the Communist Party as 194 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: my plan, hadn't She told me about Antoine and the factory. 195 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: You want to do this as much as I do. 196 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: She made a face, and I knew I was right 197 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: that cop. Though you think he has anything, I think 198 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: he wants something. He pulled a phony lockdown just so 199 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: we could search our bags. To me, that says they're 200 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,239 Speaker 2: worried but don't have enough to do something about it. Charrelle, 201 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: since when are you a tactician? Since I figured out 202 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: that you were going to get us both busted if 203 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: I didn't start paying attention, LINEE. Communist parties are dumb. 204 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: They only work when you tell a lot of people 205 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: about them, and the more people you tell, the more 206 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: likely it is that you will get busted. It was true, 207 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: I shrugged. Everything is like that, sure, everything. If it's good, 208 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: it's scary. That's why we'd do it. If there wasn't 209 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: any risk from having a Communist party, it wouldn't be exciting, 210 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: but you could still sneak in at night and make 211 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: the trolleys give them to homeless people. Why do you 212 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: want to have a party. I didn't know, but I 213 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: felt like the answers on the tip of my tongue. 214 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: I shrugged again. Oh no, Chrell, I didn't invent them. Nah, 215 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: you didn't. That fell went to jail. Once t Sha 216 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: was snoring, I got out my burner, a phone i'd 217 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: made in shop class following a recipe i'd found on 218 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: a darknet Google. It had been freshman year and all 219 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: the kids were doing it and I hadn't used mine 220 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: in years. It powered up and complained that it couldn't 221 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: find its update server and warned that it had been 222 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: years since it had been patched. That I shouldn't let 223 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: it near the net. That was good advice, but I 224 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: couldn't take it. Instead, I gave it a connection through 225 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: my regular phone, using the app that Charrell had sideloaded 226 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: for me using her fingernails after we cleaned off the 227 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: rice pudding. That app was designed to let you tunnel 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: your leaky abandoned smart appliances through it to keep them 229 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: from being exposed to the public Internet, and Charrell said 230 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: that no one could listen in on its connections. I 231 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: hoped she was right. I pointed the burner out of 232 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: sight that Charell said she'd researched, and we waited while 233 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: the burner downloaded new versions of all its software. Once 234 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: it had rebooted, I was able to connect it straight 235 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: to the net. My stomach fluttered when I did it, though, 236 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: and send Shiell a message on her old anonymous account, 237 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: a long garbage string like you saw on the cards 238 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: that drug dealers left in public bathrooms. Charrell had explained 239 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: it to me. It was an address in the blockchain 240 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: that had a public key in it. Download the key, 241 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: encrypt with it, and post your message back to the blockchain. 242 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: Everyone could see it, but only the private keyholder could 243 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: decrypt it. Yes, those messages lived in the blockchain forever, 244 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: So your secret scirrel ever got hacked for a private key, 245 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: every message sent this way would be visible to everyone 246 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: in the world for all time. Like they said in 247 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: the crime shows, Crypto giveth and Crypto Taketh Away. I 248 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: figured it out. It took her less than a minute 249 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: to reply. She was waiting to hear from me that 250 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: you it's me. What did you give me for my 251 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: fifteenth birthday. I rolled my eyes. She was such a 252 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: secret squirrel nothing. We had a fight and you didn't 253 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: invite me. Yeah, okay, you asked me something. 254 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: Shut up. 255 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: Come on, it's good hygiene. I thought about all these 256 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: messages being encrypted and stashed in the blockchain, which I 257 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: didn't really understand, but always pictured as this huge ant 258 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: hill with trillions of little bugs crawling around on it. 259 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: In ten thousand years, would someone figure out how to 260 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: break the code and read this? Who did you crush 261 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: on in freshman year? Fuck? 262 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: You? 263 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: Come on? It was your idea, Al Martinez? But he 264 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: was fine in freshman year. Alejandro had become a candy 265 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: billy in junior year, wearing these crazy outfits that looked 266 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: like a kindergartener dressed up like a cowboy, and he'd 267 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: started missing a lot of classes, showing up late and hungover, 268 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: still high and stupid. I hadn't seen him in a 269 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: year or more. I knew Chelle still crushed on him, 270 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: though she was one hundred percent smart woman, foolish choices. 271 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: I figured it out, what why it has to be 272 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: a party, This should be good. I checked to make 273 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: sure Tisha was still asleep because it feels like there's 274 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: no alternative, Like, no matter what we do, the same 275 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: thing's gonna happen. We're gonna end up like your cous 276 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: If we're lucky, get a job that lasts a while 277 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: before the company runs off and takes our last paychecks. Two. 278 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: It's all so big and we're so little. But put 279 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: us all together and you can see it. There's other 280 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: people out there feel the same as you. A connection, 281 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: get it. You woke me to tell me that shut up. Okay, Okay, yeah, 282 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: I hear you. That's the reason, maybe even a good one, 283 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: but it does make everything a zillion times more dangerous. 284 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: You all live forever. Shut up, Tisha, opened one eye, 285 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: but down your phone already. I'm trying to Sleepierre Robert, 286 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: when I decided that I had to have you as 287 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: a guest, I have to admit that Candy Billy was 288 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: part of the reason for it. I don't know. You 289 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: describe post apocalyptic radical hacker party people pretty well in 290 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: your book After the Revolution, Which isn't me plugging that, 291 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: It's just true. 292 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: That was one of the things I really appreciated about 293 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: walk Away. I think Corey and I have communicated a 294 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: bit with him over the years, but I don't know 295 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: him personally very well. But I feel like we came 296 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: out of, or at least have experience with similar parts 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: of the burner subculture, and I think it's influenced how 298 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: we both write about the post apocalypse in ways that 299 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: are kind of adjacent to each other. 300 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's true. And here's Dad's for 301 00:15:52,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: some reason, and we're back. Antoine just happened to be 302 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: at Charrell's house the next afternoon when we took our 303 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: homework there, and we just happened to leave our phones 304 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: inside and went to the backyard to sit under the 305 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: sunshade with our notebooks and scratch paper. The wobblies say 306 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: they can fool the cops into thinking the whole thing 307 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: scheduled for the next night. Charrell looked as skeptical as 308 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: I felt. How are they going to do that? He 309 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: looked around. You don't want to know, Charrell thumped her 310 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: hand on the table. Yes we do. It's our asses 311 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: on the line too, in case you haven't noticed. He 312 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: sighed and looked around dramatically. He wasn't much of a spy. 313 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: Charrell had a better poker face. I can't talk about 314 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: it seriously. But not everyone who becomes a cop believes 315 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: in the system, all right. Some of them just need 316 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: a job and also a way to look themselves in 317 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: the mirror. The cops were infiltrated by Wobbley's. That would 318 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: be pretty weird if it was true. Maybe it was true. 319 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: The world was pretty weird. What happens when we tell 320 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: everyone at school to show up on the right date. 321 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: It's not like they've got the tightest game in the world. 322 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: Their kids cops will figure it out, for sure. Charrell 323 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: said it, but I was thinking it too. Antoine made 324 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: a face. Yet, the thing is, we got to be 325 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: tight about this. We've got the same problem, but not 326 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: with school kids, but all the other people we want 327 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: to show up, these wobblies, they said. Maybe we don't 328 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: just tell everyone about it in advance. Instead we invite 329 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: them over for dinner or whatnot, out for drinks, and 330 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: then we just drag them along make sure they bag 331 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: their phones. Surprise, he made a face. Hell of a surprise. 332 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 2: Charrell's sighed eyed him. I was surprised myself. What if 333 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: we pretend it's something else, like a party at someone's parents' house. 334 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: Everyone will come out with their stuff offline because they 335 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: don't want to get busted for underage drinking in that, 336 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 2: and then we'll bring them to the party. We just 337 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: invite the ones who we can trust to keep their 338 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: mouths shut. Charrel was about to jump in and say something, 339 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: but I held my hand up. No, wait, it could work. 340 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: Thing is, what if there was a party at someone's house, 341 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: we just diverted some people from it, caught him before 342 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: they arrived, got him ready, drove him away. We could 343 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: say it was someone else's party, not us. No one 344 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: would know who was organizing that, so no one could 345 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: snitch on us afterwards. Charrell had the biggest smile right then, 346 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: and she made twinkle fingers at me, which meant I 347 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: agree and hell yeah. And when I was done, she said, 348 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: who do we get to have a party. That was 349 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 2: both harder and easier than it sounded. Easier because there 350 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: were only three kids whose parents were out of town 351 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: that night. Harder because those kids sucked. Two were junior 352 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce and couldn't be trusted. One was Ali Martinez, who, 353 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: it turned out Sharrell had been keeping tabs on the 354 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: whole time. He'd been a while from school, messaging with 355 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: him late at night when I was in bed and 356 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: shut off to keep from waking up my nosy sister. 357 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: Ali says, his dad's going to be in Mexico that 358 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: weekend visiting his mom. Ali's dad was US citizen and 359 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: so was Ali, but his mom had been on document 360 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: and got de pored it when he was little. Charelle 361 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: had on that defiant face of hers, daring me to 362 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: make a big deal out of the fact that she 363 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: and Ali had been sneaking around. Will you have a party? 364 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: She rolled her eyes. He always has a party every 365 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: single time his dad goes South, him and all his 366 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: candy Billy Fred's headphone parties, so the neighbors don't phone 367 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: it in. They even make berrium. I made a face, 368 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: then pictured Alejandro and his buddies and their lay mass 369 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: girlfriends in a huge cuddle puddle, sloppy, drunk on biium 370 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: and giggling like babies. Ugh, so ask him. Charrell's expression 371 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 2: was pure animal in a trap. Can't you do it? 372 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: I gave her a look, shit, she said with feeling. 373 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: The way she said Hi Ali when she got him 374 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: on the phone was the most surprising thing of all, 375 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: she practically sang the words. Listening to her end of 376 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: the conversation made me wonder if I knew her at all. 377 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: She even giggled at one point, love is blind and stupid, 378 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: really really stupid. When she was done, she put the 379 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: phone in her pocket. All set, you're going to say 380 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: anything about What about that Ali Martinez Charrelle, She snorted, Okay, 381 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: so I like him? Who cares? It's not like I 382 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: don't know he's a fool. She tapped her temple, but 383 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: you know she tapped her heart. Doesn't mean I'm not 384 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: in control. I only take him in small SIPs. Keeps 385 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: him tolerable, if you say so. Like I said, it's 386 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: a good thing. I'm immune to Cherelle's looks. It was 387 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: a good thing. We weren't trying to keep Ali's party secret. 388 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: There were a lot of kids at Burbank Kai who 389 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: remembered him as the fun dude who used to throw 390 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: those amazing parties before he disappeared, and the news that 391 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: he was still alive and still throwing them went around 392 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: like wildfire. So it was only up to Cherrell and 393 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: me to put the word out to the ones who 394 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: weren't idiots that we were going to meet in Stowe 395 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: Canyon to pregame, then arranged to meet them there after 396 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: as they puffed up the hill on their bikes or 397 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: on foot. There was supposed to be twenty three of them, 398 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: and they arrived in ones and twos and a foursome 399 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: driven by someone's cool older sister, and then five more 400 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: in an Uber, which was d U M dumb because 401 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: everyone knows that Uber logged everything and that were Hella 402 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: snitches rollover cops without a warrant, not that warrants were 403 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: hard to come by. They came with flasks and six 404 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: packs and vapes, and they found us by following the 405 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: blaze marks we chalked high up in the trees with 406 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: glow in the dark chalksticks, giggling and stumbling through the 407 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: night with the lights from their airplane mode phones bobbing 408 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: towards us. We made them turn them off and bag 409 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: their phones using the pouches we got off of Antoine, 410 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: who got them from the wobbles. At fifteen people, we 411 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: were way too noisy and no amount of shushing would 412 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: keep it down. We'd get spotted soon. But there was 413 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: supposed to be twenty three twenty three people we knew 414 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: and liked and trusted, though maybe not to show up 415 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: on time. Didn't want to go without them. Should we 416 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: split into two? I asked Charell, counting up again for 417 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: the thirtieth time. Maybe they'd phoned us to say they'd 418 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: be late, but of course our phones were off and 419 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: bagged Charrell spit on the ground. She looked pale in 420 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: the moonlight. Don't want to get caught on my own 421 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: and don't want to turn on my phone to figure 422 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: out where you got to. We got one problem with 423 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: those fools late and missing, don't need two problems with 424 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: not knowing where we are. I looked at her eyes 425 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: so wide you could see white all around the pupils, 426 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: neck tense. I realized how scared she was, and that 427 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: made me scared because there was a damned good reason 428 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: to be scared. We were risking serious consequences, jail time, 429 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: even to throw a party. The knowledge of that went 430 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: from something in my head to something in my guts 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: in a second and left me feeling like I'd been punched. 432 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: I wobbled, Why the actual fuck was I doing this? 433 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? Charrell dun Dundune that's the 434 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: end of part two. 435 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: Huzzah. Well, I'm excited to see why they're doing this. 436 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of know in my own heart, 437 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: because I think a lot actually about what this story 438 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: seems to be about, in part, which is like, how 439 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: much harder it's going to be in the very near 440 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: to immediate future for kids to break the law in 441 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: petty fun ways, the way we broke the law in 442 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: petty fun ways. Totally, which is why I did it 443 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: so much. I knew for a long time when I 444 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: was like nineteen, the kind of shit I was getting 445 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: away with kids would not always be able to get 446 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: away with. And I do feel like I had a 447 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: moral responsibility to break as made laws as I did. 448 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as I was home by curfew. That's 449 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: all the information that my parents had. 450 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, it was an age undreamed of. Yeah, when 451 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: we tell stories about being like teens and early twenties 452 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: to kids like thirty years from now, it's going to 453 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: sound like fucking Conan stories like we're talking about Hyperborea. 454 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And it's also a story about how like 455 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: they'll still do it, it'll be harder, right, you know, 456 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: much like love will find its way. Teenage crime will 457 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: find its way, and yeah, yes, I believe in us. 458 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: I believe in the youth. I although there's also this 459 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: thing where like the older you get, the more you 460 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: just start looking at the youth being like they'll fix it, 461 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: and you like point to the mess that you didn't 462 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 2: fix and that your generation fix, you know. 463 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: The societal version of like what happens with my recycling 464 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: bin with me and my roommates were like, well, it's 465 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: pretty high up there, but like I don't really want 466 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: to take it out right now. I can fit one 467 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: more can. And then my roommate has a can, He's like, yeah, 468 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty high, but like I feel like 469 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: I could get one more on there. We've all just 470 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: kind of done that with the cops and government surveillance 471 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: and you know, the corporate security state than the way 472 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: in which it interfaces. Yeah, our car serral system. Yeah, 473 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: just keep putting one more can on there. 474 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't revolution that we can handle a little 475 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: bit more. 476 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: We could take a little bit more surveillance. Maybe it'll 477 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: get better, maybe it'll take away the cameras. 478 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who knows. Yeah, No, we need to collectively 479 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: take the recycling out and restructure society. But well, this story, 480 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: we'll get at some of it, but actually just want 481 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: to plug if people are enjoying this story or want 482 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 2: to like kind of take it to its next level. 483 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: The book walk Away by Doctor Oath, that both of 484 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: us are fans of, is just okay. So he'd mostly 485 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: written young adult before walk Away, at least that I 486 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: was aware of. I'd only read young adult books by 487 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: him before walk Away, and then walk Away took the 488 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: same ideas that he always talks about, which is like 489 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: people finding the cracks in the system by being like 490 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: cool teenage hackers, and then puts it at a grander scale, 491 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: just like this, Like I don't know, it's one of 492 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: the best stories of like Grand Revolution that I've read. 493 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, But. 494 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: That's me saying nice words about Corey Doctrou. But Corey 495 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: Doctro had nice words to say about my book that's 496 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: being kickstarted right now, called The Sapling Cage. And it's 497 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: funny because I'm recording this before it's being kickstarted, because 498 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: we record some of these things ahead of time, so 499 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: who knows how that's going. But I wrote a young 500 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: adult book or actually technically a crossover book. Have you 501 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: ever heard of the genre crossover? 502 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: No, I just knew about ya, and then a fiction. 503 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, crossover is a young adult that knows that adults 504 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: read young adult. It's like, basically, the young adult genre 505 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: became more and more codified in very specific ways that 506 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: started kind of reducing I would honestly say creative freedom, 507 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: where like, for example, good luck selling a young adult 508 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: book that doesn't center around a romance, right, And no 509 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: matter what dystopian, whatever the thing is. You know, there 510 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: is romance in my book, but it's not a teen 511 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: romance book. 512 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: You know. 513 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: It's a it's not even really, at the end of 514 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: the day, a book about like being trans even though 515 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: it's a big part of it. It's like a book 516 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: about people finding their way and saving the world from 517 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: people who are trying to consolidate power and all the 518 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: kind of shit I like writing about. So crossover is 519 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: basically a young adult but you can kind of do 520 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: whatever you want, and I like that more so. That's 521 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: why my book is crossover. It's just an annoying genre 522 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: because anyone who's not specifically in like publishing, you have 523 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: to explain what the fuck it is. The protagonist is sixteen. 524 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: That's what it means. 525 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's a good book. I also have nice 526 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: things to say about it, which you will see on 527 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: the cover. I think yeah, I think so so by 528 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: the sapling cage and that's all I got to say. 529 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: Yep, and listen to the rest of party disciplined by 530 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: Cory Doctro over the next two weeks and we'll talk 531 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: to you soon. 532 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, goodbye. 533 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 534 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 535 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 536 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 537 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated 538 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. 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