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Speaker 1: morning here in Oxnard, California. Here with the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: training camp for another week and a half, and it's
Speaker 1: time for mix shots on this gorgeous Wednesday.
Speaker 2: I can't emphasize that enough. Nate Newton, Savannah Humoler, Mickey
Speaker 2: Spagnola with you on mixshots here for the next forty five,
Speaker 2: maybe fifty minutes as we get started with our zamboni
Speaker 2: at the other end of the practice field. But by God,
Speaker 2: he's out here cleaning up the field, because not only
Speaker 2: is it a beautiful day, it's gonna be a fun
Speaker 2: day the Cowboys and the Rams practicing again. They're having
Speaker 2: another scrimmage here later this morning, and that'll be fun
Speaker 2: to watch. But we've got a whole lot to talk about,
Speaker 2: especially after the walkthrough yesterday and some injury reports, and
Speaker 2: now I got to use my outdoor voice to make
Speaker 2: sure that the zamboni doesn't drownd us out. Looks like
Speaker 2: they're cleaning up the field, there was a little morning dew, right,
Speaker 2: not only blowing leaves. But we'll get to that in
Speaker 2: a minute. So, Nate Newton Savannah, I thought we would
Speaker 2: start here. And I think it's funny how when they
Speaker 2: in the Dallas Morning News, it's like they interview somebody
Speaker 2: and it's told the Dallas Morning News.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I got one, told Mickey Spagnola, all right, the
Speaker 2: injury to Tuma Edoga is a dislocated big left toe,
Speaker 2: and it is. It doesn't sound like something, but you
Speaker 2: need if you do anything, Nate, right, you need your
Speaker 2: big toes. That's where all your push off is. You
Speaker 2: can't have as big toe exactly. So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: Not only is it dislocated, but I was told that
Speaker 2: it could be six weeks to three months before he
Speaker 2: would be ready to play football again. And what they've
Speaker 2: got to decide is do they keep him on the
Speaker 2: fifty three man roster and for one day and then
Speaker 2: put him on IR return but they said he probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't be ready to return till a round Thanksgiving, or
Speaker 2: do they just say, you know what, we gotta put
Speaker 2: him on I R. And it's a wash. Uh, he
Speaker 2: doesn't play this year at all. But in any case,
Speaker 2: knowing that that he could be out that long, they
Speaker 2: need a backup swing tackle, and that's where a Doga
Speaker 2: was fitting in. It's not like, oh, well they got
Speaker 2: to start the rookie Tyler Geiton at left tackle. That
Speaker 2: was gonna happen anyway, right, he was going to beat
Speaker 2: a Doga out for that starting position. It was just
Speaker 2: a matter of when. But now who's your backup swing tackle?
Speaker 2: Awesome Riches, and that's who they're gonna work first now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the thing talked about, yeah, is a Doga really
Speaker 2: was the only experienced backup they have. Richards didn't play
Speaker 2: all that much last year training camp, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so I think Nate and I are in agreement. We
Speaker 2: like what we've seen from him at tackle, but he
Speaker 2: hasn't done it. And what happens if he has to
Speaker 2: go in and play sixty snaps at three games in
Speaker 2: a row, if there's an injury there. So I think
Speaker 2: you can say, well, they're going to look out the wire.
Speaker 2: But at this point, as we know, there isn't that
Speaker 2: many good offensive lineman available at this point, and even
Speaker 2: when we get to the cuts, I believe it's August
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, they cut to fifty three teams. Just don't
Speaker 2: get rid of offensive lineman if they have anything. There's
Speaker 2: not enough offensive lineman to play in this league. So
Speaker 2: the Cowboys need to be in a hurry, not only
Speaker 2: to develop Tyler Geiton, who will play practice today in
Speaker 2: the scrimmage with the first team at left tackle, but
Speaker 2: they've got to find a backup your assessment of what
Speaker 2: you think you've seen of awesome Richards so far?
Speaker 3: I like him, and I I pick a guy every
Speaker 3: year that I would bug a coach about, and every
Speaker 3: other day I bug coach Mike Clarry about.
Speaker 2: Are some riches?
Speaker 3: And he finally said, you know, because coach will never
Speaker 3: give away information.
Speaker 2: So but I bug you he's pretty tight. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: he said nay.
Speaker 3: I say my man got sixty something snaps you know
Speaker 3: at guard? He said, yeah, I like him. Nay, he
Speaker 3: got great recovery, he got good feet. Uh, he can
Speaker 3: stay in front of a guy, but can't he finish?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 3: Is he physical enough? And that is an issue with him.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not they lose confidence. He's just kind of
Speaker 3: go out of haywire and and it won't look good
Speaker 3: for a couple of series, I mean a couple of snaps,
Speaker 3: not series of snaps, and and it and it leaves like,
Speaker 3: you know, that bad taste in your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he he's got to get more physical and
Speaker 2: he's got to be a little bit more dominant.
Speaker 3: But he has the athletic ability and the recoverability with
Speaker 3: his feet to play tackle.
Speaker 2: Will he be mean enough? You know?
Speaker 3: Because if you got him at swing tackle with the
Speaker 3: possibility of playing a guard, you got a special guy.
Speaker 3: But if you don't toughen up and get full confidence
Speaker 3: from coach Slaur, we'll be bringing somebody in.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna have to Yeah, they'll look to see.
Speaker 2: But again with as I like to point out, two
Speaker 2: eight and eighty guys employed in the NFL, and if
Speaker 2: you're not employed at this point, what you got, especially
Speaker 2: offensive lineman because Savannah, we know that there's not enough
Speaker 2: of those guys to go around in the UFL, which
Speaker 2: really causes problems with offense in that league, let alone
Speaker 2: have extra guys available to be experienced backups here in
Speaker 2: the NFL. So that's one thing that we're going to
Speaker 2: have to keep looking at.
Speaker 4: And I really do think awesome Richards has the opportunity
Speaker 4: right now to step up and show that he's a
Speaker 4: physical guy and really work on it. This is a
Speaker 4: great day where he's practicing against the Rams to start
Speaker 4: implementing some of that.
Speaker 5: But also, I mean, we do need to look at the.
Speaker 4: Fact Earl Bostick, we have him on the chart, Nathan Thomas,
Speaker 4: one of our seventh round picks.
Speaker 5: Obviously, these guys take a lot of time.
Speaker 4: To develop, but these are opportunities for those two as well.
Speaker 4: I really think you need to look at this whole roster,
Speaker 4: whole offensive line group, and see who's going to be
Speaker 4: the most physical in this area. Awesome, Richards needs to
Speaker 4: make that step up, but we do have Earl Bostick
Speaker 4: who played.
Speaker 5: A little bit during the first preseason game as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what worries me though, is we're talking about
Speaker 2: guys who have no experience playing in the NFL, and
Speaker 2: then you're going to ask them to probably not get
Speaker 2: as much practice as you normally would if you're a starter,
Speaker 2: to be able to jump in and not only play well,
Speaker 2: but know what to do.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of a scary proposition.
Speaker 3: Right now, Arbos is probably ahead of the other guy
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they seem like they want, well,
Speaker 2: let's go on the right side. And he hasn't had
Speaker 2: a good camp yet. I don't know what you think,
Speaker 2: but I think he's in a push to make this team.
Speaker 3: It's two guys, and I refuse him to call the name.
Speaker 3: I've never been fans of theirs, and I don't want
Speaker 3: their parents of wise think that I hate him. But
Speaker 3: Josh Baul, yeah, I know, I've never been fans of theirs.
Speaker 3: Tall Rangy look like after they guys, but for some reason.
Speaker 2: They when you can't stay healthy, that bothers me.
Speaker 3: You know, when you when I know you're not gonna
Speaker 3: give me at least for twelve fourteen games, that bothers me.
Speaker 3: Neither one of these guys give you that. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that they're not mature and understand his game by now,
Speaker 3: but they won't give you twelve to fourteen games. They'll
Speaker 3: be in and out of the lineup, so you can't
Speaker 3: even depend on them as backups, kind of like I
Speaker 3: look at Tchuma. You can't depend on them. But that's
Speaker 3: that's today's NFL. I think every team is suffering with that.
Speaker 2: And really the only experienced Ball has is on special teams. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's played thirteen games in his career, but he really
Speaker 2: hasn't had any offensive line snaps and well, let's go,
Speaker 2: just can't stay healthy and he has no experience. And
Speaker 2: those are two guys. I believe both of them were
Speaker 2: fourth round draft choices, fifth round draft choices, and there's
Speaker 2: nothing there. So that's one thing the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 2: have to look at. And I think we think that
Speaker 2: Guyton has the ability. He shows he got better feet
Speaker 2: than I thought he had, but he needs reps. He
Speaker 2: missed four practices last week with a chest cold, but
Speaker 2: he was able to play. I think it was two series.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to overdo it with him. But we
Speaker 2: will see him out here today against the Rams with
Speaker 2: the first team at left tackle. We'll see him against
Speaker 2: the Raiders playing in that preseason game on Saturday. But
Speaker 2: as you said, Nate, he needs repss man.
Speaker 3: I am so excited when they told many Rams was
Speaker 3: coming back in here. I am so excited because they
Speaker 3: they have a pass rushing group of guys that ain't
Speaker 3: nothing nice. They got a young guy verse, I mean
Speaker 3: who this this is different? I mean where it's Parson
Speaker 3: is pure speed. This guy got a little bit more.
Speaker 3: He got some speed, he got some power, and he
Speaker 3: can and he put it together the of the day
Speaker 3: on us. Now, I'm not saying this is a game,
Speaker 3: but this guy got something.
Speaker 2: He's talking about number eight, Oh my god, verse and
Speaker 2: you look at his body. He might have been the
Speaker 2: best player I saw in the field for the Rams.
Speaker 3: Bro I don't know what he was.
Speaker 2: He's a rookie, but boy, yeah no, but man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, you know, yeah yeah, first round draft choice.
Speaker 3: And and he's willing to mix it up. He's willing
Speaker 3: to get physical with you if you want to get physical,
Speaker 3: and he gets he's.
Speaker 2: A chairper, he's a chirper.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm gonna keep out on him during
Speaker 3: the season. I want to know what he does during
Speaker 3: the season. And like I say, Sacks ain't gonna impress
Speaker 3: me with him, but hurries tackles for loss. I want
Speaker 3: to see, is he got that all around game?
Speaker 2: Well, when I ran it, or I should say, uh,
Speaker 2: he came up to me. Uh, Giton's dad. Yeah here,
Speaker 2: he's been here a couple of days already, and uh,
Speaker 2: I said, well, you got to get him going and
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm just the mental coach. I'll stay out
Speaker 2: of mentally right to make sure he's getting.
Speaker 3: I could have sued here we go. I could have
Speaker 3: cured Gydon in two days if I know Jim and Britt.
Speaker 3: Please don't take this roll with but I could have
Speaker 3: cured him with an old time cure.
Speaker 2: Some fixed this hot tower in a hot towel in
Speaker 2: a hot room.
Speaker 3: Get rid of Yeah, I had him right, I'm just
Speaker 3: messing around. Please don't tell Jim.
Speaker 4: No, he just needs as many reps as possible today
Speaker 4: and on Saturday and through the rest of training camp.
Speaker 5: But awesome, Richards, he needs some reps too.
Speaker 4: So it's got to be a good rotation because you
Speaker 4: can't put it all on Tyler, Giton just right away.
Speaker 4: You both, these guys both need to get caught.
Speaker 3: Up to speak now.
Speaker 2: First round pick, Yeah, right away, right away, right away.
Speaker 2: I would have got be honest with you. Miss shouldn't
Speaker 2: even mess around if you we know what Tuma doga is.
Speaker 3: More importantly, in today's NFL, your first, first, second, and
Speaker 3: third pick, you don't mess around, even if you got
Speaker 3: a great starter. Even if you got a great starter,
Speaker 3: you still don't mess around. You tell you to say, hey, man,
Speaker 3: we're gonna put this boy in here. You know, you
Speaker 3: the man. You don't mess around because it's called development,
Speaker 3: and we don't get with so many days and what
Speaker 3: if a guy get a chess cold, then he gonna
Speaker 3: miss four days. Come on now, you don't mess around,
Speaker 3: you agreement?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely. And the other move that we're gonna
Speaker 2: see today is Cooper. BB has been second team center,
Speaker 2: making the transition from guard to center in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He's gonna work with the first team today. So they're
Speaker 2: gonna put him in with the first line and we'll
Speaker 2: see how he does. Now, brock Hoffman's been holding that
Speaker 2: spot down, and I don't think there was anything wrong
Speaker 2: with brock Hoffman, but I think they want to see
Speaker 2: what BB does at center, and so this week he
Speaker 2: moves to center. See that third round.
Speaker 3: Pick, by the way, But this is the problem I had.
Speaker 3: You should have been doing that two weeks ago, just
Speaker 3: periodically putting him in two weeks ago, first second and
Speaker 3: third round picks.
Speaker 2: Don't play with them. Don't mess around with these guys.
Speaker 3: Development is everything, because if the season starts and we
Speaker 3: go two weeks in and brock get hurt.
Speaker 2: Who is the center? Cooper b B. Why haven't we
Speaker 2: been working Cooper BB. He's gotten some apps, but not
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis, Like they'll they'll love you, Laurie,
Speaker 2: but you you I need to come into your meeting room.
Speaker 2: They'll share, they'll they shared snaps there for a while.
Speaker 2: But I think they like what they saw in the
Speaker 2: preseason game when he basically got the start, right, yes,
Speaker 2: because they didn't play oh no, Hoffman played a little
Speaker 2: bit and then they brought be played like two and
Speaker 2: a half series. Yeah, yeah, And and so they like
Speaker 2: what they saw from BB, and they're thinking, well, this
Speaker 2: probably is the eventual future. Well, sometimes the future is now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would not change my thoughts into this new n
Speaker 3: this new NFL. Your first three picks, you have to
Speaker 3: know as soon as you can do they have a
Speaker 3: chance to be successful in this league. Not being stars,
Speaker 3: but okay, we drafted this guy. We gotta know, and
Speaker 3: we can't wait three years and be saying well no,
Speaker 3: and I'm and I talk to some scouts and usually
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have, but I know he's
Speaker 3: at they off continually arguing at the coaches, Hey man,
Speaker 3: you love this guy. You stood on the table for
Speaker 3: this guy. Why you're not practicing this guy?
Speaker 2: So why not? So you tell the story about I
Speaker 2: guess it would have been nineteen ninety two. Yes, somebody
Speaker 2: said play this guy. Yeah, Jimmy, just what see that's
Speaker 2: when it affected you.
Speaker 3: It affected me. I mean, I I've told him time, Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Eric Williams was a rookie. He tried to deliver it
Speaker 3: at left tackle. Didn't work, right tackle. He looked at good,
Speaker 3: he looked it okay, And so I figured, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the starting right time. I got another year
Speaker 3: with this guy before they you know, before me and
Speaker 3: him really competing. We're at what it's Ed's. We were
Speaker 3: in the in the little prayer room you know where
Speaker 3: you you know, we're in a little prayer room. It
Speaker 3: wasn't special. It was a little woman I guess where
Speaker 3: all the coginals met or whatever, and uh.
Speaker 2: It was it was there.
Speaker 3: Was a military chapel, thank you. And so we're sitting
Speaker 3: in there. I'm sitting here, Eric, sitting right here. This
Speaker 3: is the door coming right past you, Mick, and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting Eric, and we taking notes and everything mad Eric
Speaker 3: chopping it up and Tony Wise is right there. Like
Speaker 3: the cameras we talked of Jimmy, bust.
Speaker 2: Through the door. Just bust through the door. You know
Speaker 2: he had something serious.
Speaker 3: Lips Tony. He looked at Tony. Tony stops and look
Speaker 3: and he looks at Eric. Eric is our right tackle.
Speaker 3: He barely glanced at me. I'm sitting right next to Eric.
Speaker 3: The year before, you just told me I was one
Speaker 3: of the best five offensive linemen and you was moving
Speaker 3: me out to right tackle because I was better at
Speaker 3: right tackle than Kevin Gogan, and.
Speaker 2: You moved Gold to the left guard.
Speaker 5: Now were you shocked in that moment?
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is the still he told me, because
Speaker 3: I was finna fight Jimmy over.
Speaker 2: There verbally, and he said, because I'd.
Speaker 3: Beat him up before I even opened my mouth to
Speaker 3: go back and forth with him, he said, He said, Nate,
Speaker 3: you have no choice. You either started right tackle or
Speaker 3: you don't have a job. And you don't have a job.
Speaker 3: And I'm not not not a job on this office,
Speaker 3: a job at all. I said, Okay, I get your drift, coach,
Speaker 3: I'm your right tackle. But so when he busted in
Speaker 3: there and did that with Eric, I'm kind of just
Speaker 3: waiting till the meeting was old, burning up, you know.
Speaker 3: Went to I said, coach, look at her Man. You
Speaker 3: told me that ain't changed. I'm still one of the
Speaker 3: best friends. Kevin Gogan, I sold Kevin Gogan. Sorry, Kevin,
Speaker 3: forgive me. I said, Kevin Gogan is not a better
Speaker 3: left guard than me. That's my natural position. And he
Speaker 3: went to Tony said, put Nate back at left guard.
Speaker 3: That's only fair.
Speaker 2: And I and I remember telling the story and Tony
Speaker 2: was like, well no, because then we got to move people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know that Eric's ready and Jimmy basically was
Speaker 2: he's your starting right tacklele fix it. And I don't
Speaker 2: care whose feelings you hurt.
Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes it's got to be that way, and it's
Speaker 4: not like that sometimes.
Speaker 2: Now the thing is, and how did that turn out?
Speaker 2: It turned out three super Bowls that.
Speaker 3: But the thing what I'm trying to say is if
Speaker 3: Tuma a Dooga had his foot solidly in the door,
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying. We have no left tackle
Speaker 3: as of today. We do not have We have a
Speaker 3: potential starter in this young guy. We have a potential
Speaker 3: backup in Oswitch and we don't know.
Speaker 2: That is scary.
Speaker 3: The reason is scary because you have a guy that's
Speaker 3: potentially gonna make sixty million dollars standing up believing that
Speaker 3: this his backside is covered. That's why we don't That's
Speaker 3: why I don't believe in playing games. Now, you're finna
Speaker 3: goes to the most important part of the offensive line,
Speaker 3: which is the middle. And if the middle is soft,
Speaker 3: then Dak's gonna be gooey because they gonna dump them.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna Yeah, we'll stop right there. I think
Speaker 2: we got it. Yeah, it's a matter of we probably
Speaker 2: we probably take it. Need to take a break right now.
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Speaker 2: And we continue here on mix Shots in beautiful Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: Cowboys gonna scrimmage against the Rams here in about Oh
Speaker 2: it's tired at eleven o'clock. I believe so a couple hours.
Speaker 2: And uh, that'll be exciting here and exciting for the
Speaker 2: fans if they were able to find out. This was
Speaker 2: sort of a changing plans after the game on Sunday,
Speaker 2: the Rams evidently we're having some problems with where they
Speaker 2: were practicing. They had plans to maybe practice against the
Speaker 2: Chargers or the Saints, but things fell through, and you know,
Speaker 2: they after the game, they came to McCarthy and said, well,
Speaker 2: what about another scrimmage. We're just right down the road.
Speaker 2: So here we are.
Speaker 4: A thousand Oaks, the Thousand Oaks, I think i's like
Speaker 4: a ride up there.
Speaker 2: Go up there tomorrow and see what's going on and practice.
Speaker 2: If they let you in, they probably want some Sirius security. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's move to the other line, the defensive line
Speaker 2: where the Cowboys were talking about moving a couple of
Speaker 2: people around. I think for Mike Zimmer's taste, Fijoko came
Speaker 2: here as a defensive end. They moved him inside, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Mike thought he was big enough to
Speaker 2: play defensive tackle, even as a pass rusher, So it
Speaker 2: sounds like he's going back outside to defensive end along
Speaker 2: with Chauncey Golston, who they still think could do some
Speaker 2: rushing inside, but he's more of a defensive end. And
Speaker 2: let's face it, it's not all about Marshawn Neeland. They
Speaker 2: really like what he's done so far. I thought he
Speaker 2: played really well in the in the preseason game. But
Speaker 2: who's who's the next guy up behind him? Now we
Speaker 2: understand maybe because of what happened with Sam Williams, they
Speaker 2: got to use Michael Parsons maybe more as a defensive
Speaker 2: end or at least a pass rusher than they wanted to,
Speaker 2: because he is still getting snaps at linebacker. But who's
Speaker 2: behind Kneelan? And I think when they're looking at that,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we need some help there. And I
Speaker 2: think they also have to figure out, even if they
Speaker 2: are force feeding Mazi to be one of the starting
Speaker 2: defensive tackles along with OsO Diggi Zua, who's behind him
Speaker 2: at the nose tackle? And I think they've got to
Speaker 2: establish that. So have you seen anybody Nate that you
Speaker 2: catch your eye that could play in place of Mazzi
Speaker 2: if he's not out there. Carl Davis did nice.
Speaker 3: I think he did really nice, like two or three
Speaker 3: players in a row where he just knocked the offensive
Speaker 3: guard back and just and got tackles. I mean, so
Speaker 3: we'll see. He's a veteran type guy and this is
Speaker 3: ninth year. Yeah, but you know what right about nice
Speaker 3: is who's doing the job? Okay, and you he's he
Speaker 3: did the job in the game. So here we go
Speaker 3: once again. I just think that if something don't hurry
Speaker 3: up and happen in the middle of our defense, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have to go get a guy.
Speaker 2: Those are two positions that I worry about.
Speaker 3: Is our depth offensive line in the middle of our
Speaker 3: defensive line. Someone don't step up and say, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: that guy, you might have to find someone on the street.
Speaker 2: Now, they have brought in Albert Huggins, who has some
Speaker 2: experience in the league. Fifth or sixth year guy. We'll
Speaker 2: see what he can do. He's a bigger defensive tackle
Speaker 2: right right, And I know Zim puts a premium on
Speaker 2: stopping the run, but again, you do need some pass
Speaker 2: rush in the middle of due and not just on
Speaker 2: third down, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you don't know in this league, you know,
Speaker 3: where sixty five percent passing. Now some teams are seventy
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to have somebody that can least force
Speaker 3: it and crush down the pocket a litit so our
Speaker 3: deepens vans can work inside and out. So, uh, it's
Speaker 3: a thin line. It's a very thin line. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think on defense you can find guys on the
Speaker 3: inside that can do both fairly.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to be great, just fair.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: The other guys there they did draft in the what
Speaker 2: six seventh round, Justin Rogers, Yes, young guy, no experience.
Speaker 2: And then the other guy in there that's been getting
Speaker 2: snaps is Denzel Dackson, Savannah's guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually really like him.
Speaker 4: In one note on him is when I talked to
Speaker 4: Will McLay about Denzel, he was saying how they actually
Speaker 4: loved his abil for double team coverage and what he
Speaker 4: can do in that area, and just how they looked
Speaker 4: at him before they even realized he was.
Speaker 5: An international player.
Speaker 4: So they get that bonus roster, seventeenth guy on the
Speaker 4: practice squad, but they were going to pick him up
Speaker 4: before they even knew he qualified internationally. They liked what
Speaker 4: he could do on that line and so I like
Speaker 4: seeing him.
Speaker 5: Get some reps here.
Speaker 2: Speaking of, just to throw this out there, their former
Speaker 2: international guy, Isaac Alarcon with the forty nine ers. He's
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers and evidently doing some nice things.
Speaker 2: He's back playing offensive tackle.
Speaker 5: That's good. That was good.
Speaker 2: Maybe they need to keep an eye on him.
Speaker 4: I know he switched to defense and then well the.
Speaker 2: Cowboys switched him. The Niners said, no, you're an offensive tackle.
Speaker 2: So he's one of their backup offensive tackles forty nine
Speaker 2: ers right now. But yes, that's a position I think
Speaker 2: that the Cowboys have to obviously take a look at.
Speaker 2: But you know what the good thing about today is
Speaker 2: we're gonna see some of these guys. But the guys
Speaker 2: that didn't play in the scrimmage, that's the front line
Speaker 2: guys will practice because it's a it's a controlled practice
Speaker 2: and they'll get some good work with the first teamers
Speaker 2: out here today. Which those guys, if they're not gonna
Speaker 2: play in the preseason game and they kept twenty five
Speaker 2: of them out of the game, then they need work
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be able to see it. And by
Speaker 2: the way, no problem with Dak Prescott. He's good to go,
Speaker 2: even though they gave him a day the other day
Speaker 2: with a sore ankle. You know, that's just something that
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to deal with. As you get older
Speaker 2: and you had surgery somewhere, you get sometimes you get soreness.
Speaker 2: It comes back and haunts you. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you ever had did you have knee surgery? Y just scopes,
Speaker 2: nothing meniscus, right, yeah, but at some point it reminds you, oh,
Speaker 2: you had something done there, right, You get a little
Speaker 2: arthritis and so but Dak's fine, he's good to go.
Speaker 2: Not really any update on ceed Lamb's situation. You know
Speaker 2: it's gonna get done. It's just a matter of when.
Speaker 2: And you know with this new rules with the CBA
Speaker 2: on how basically rookies don't hold out anymore. Nate, You
Speaker 2: remember during your day all the guys that were missing
Speaker 2: training camp trying to get a contract, right, not only
Speaker 2: rookies but veterans. I think I looked one year and
Speaker 2: five starters were missing in training camp because they were
Speaker 2: looking for contract extensions. And you guys dealt with it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just got to.
Speaker 3: Ever hold no nah nah? Then you know any money
Speaker 3: was good money.
Speaker 2: With me.
Speaker 3: I didn't care. He trying to find I needed my
Speaker 3: predym too, even though it two hundred and fifty a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think it is now? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The thing, the thing that keeps me saying is I
Speaker 3: don't worry about these guys money. You know, you get
Speaker 3: a lot of older guys worrying about these guys money.
Speaker 2: This is their money. Yes, we we we we put
Speaker 2: in some.
Speaker 3: Time to help them get it. But somebody put in
Speaker 3: some time to help us get us a little bit
Speaker 3: more money.
Speaker 2: So stop.
Speaker 3: Just whatever they gotta do to get CD Lamb back
Speaker 3: in here, and whatever CD has to do to get
Speaker 3: back in here, they'll work it out.
Speaker 2: It'll take place right. Everybody seems really concerned about it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The other thing I saw in the walk through the
Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs was doing the walkthrough with the first team
Speaker 2: defense at right cornerback. Now we're gonna see out when
Speaker 2: they turn him loose to be able to actually put
Speaker 2: the pads on and do more than seven on seven.
Speaker 3: So it's getting close. You know the other day when
Speaker 3: I was hollering out, you know, we don't need we
Speaker 3: need tray Von y'all. Okay, he's our best corner when healthy.
Speaker 3: But what I was trying to get everybody to understand,
Speaker 3: we got Al Harris and the guys that we do
Speaker 3: have are doing a great job, and I think they'll
Speaker 3: even get better this year. But if we can get
Speaker 3: Digs back at some point during the season, we will
Speaker 3: be It will help our pass rush too, because they
Speaker 3: can come up and press and and give us that
Speaker 3: split second more for a pass rusher to get home.
Speaker 2: So that that sort of reminds me. Last week, Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmer was telling the story of they were in a
Speaker 2: meeting and they were going over different ways if they
Speaker 2: had to take a cornerback away, how they would I
Speaker 2: mean a wide receiver way, how they would have to
Speaker 2: play the guy. And he had two different schemes. And
Speaker 2: he goes and after he gave this long talk about
Speaker 2: this and this and what we're going to do, and
Speaker 2: he said, oh, by the way, we got two Pro
Speaker 2: Bowl corners. You guys just go out there and play
Speaker 2: and forget about everything I just talked about. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: he was telling my corners can take guys away. Talking
Speaker 2: about Bland and Digs, He'll be ready for the start
Speaker 2: of the season. They just want to be careful with
Speaker 2: a guy coming back from a torn ACL and putting
Speaker 2: him out there in contact drills too soon. But he
Speaker 2: looks like he's ready to go. We saw, I think
Speaker 2: it was more than maybe even two weeks ago, that
Speaker 2: after one of the practice they were all huddled up
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Digs and Parsons start
Speaker 2: sprinting for the end zone. And it had to be
Speaker 2: a good forty yards, right, Digs beat him, and you know,
Speaker 2: Parsons don't like losing it anything, right, And I don't
Speaker 2: know if and we've talked about this, if Diggs was
Speaker 2: running their stocking feet, yeah, because he doesn't like putting
Speaker 2: his shoes on too much. But he can run and
Speaker 2: he's chomping at the bit. But you got to be careful,
Speaker 2: just the way they were with Demarvian overshown in the
Speaker 2: preseason game. I think he got like eleven snaps, but
Speaker 2: he had three tackles in eleven snaps. So he's a
Speaker 2: guy that you know, he's coming back from the ACL.
Speaker 2: You don't want to expose him too soon. Just kind
Speaker 2: of ease them in because, as they'll say, we can't
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl on August fourteenth. You know, get
Speaker 2: these guys ready to be able to start and play.
Speaker 2: So but Diggs is on the way. There's no problem there.
Speaker 2: He's good to go. And you know, talking to the coaches,
Speaker 2: they seem to think that from a mental standpoint, he's
Speaker 2: maybe has dealt with that fact that I mean, when
Speaker 2: you first come back after an injury, you got to
Speaker 2: get over it mentally too. Trust what they fixed. So
Speaker 2: I think he's good there. You know what, I've got
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Speaker 2: Awfully good start to magazine, by the way. All right,
Speaker 2: we continue here with mix shots. And I was looking
Speaker 2: something up and got reminded that in nineteen eighty six
Speaker 2: when the Cowboys were in training camp in Thousand Oaks, California,
Speaker 2: this was a significant week thirty eight years ago. First
Speaker 2: of all, I saw on August eleventh, nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: It was just a one line in the in the
Speaker 2: notes at the end, and it said the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: worked out Nathaniel the Kitchen Newton six two and a
Speaker 2: half three hundred and twenty nine pounds. Do you realize
Speaker 2: that thirty eight years ago nine the list three twenty
Speaker 2: nine they had them listed at and Jim Myers, Jim
Speaker 2: Myers the offensive line, said he's got the biggest arms
Speaker 2: I've ever seen on a man. And then a day
Speaker 2: later they signed. On August twelfth, they signed Nate Newton,
Speaker 2: brought him into training camp, and Myers had this to say,
Speaker 2: he goes, he's in terrible condition, about forty pounds overweight,
Speaker 2: but he still did five pull ups and did them
Speaker 2: the right way too. Right now, I'll take all the
Speaker 2: talent I can get so. In the first practice, we
Speaker 2: documented that Nate playing guard, had to go up against
Speaker 2: Randy White and John Dutton, two veteran defensive tackles, knocked
Speaker 2: them both to the ground, and the nice guy Nate was,
Speaker 2: he helped him up. Were you a little worried you
Speaker 2: about hurt veterans right here? Man?
Speaker 3: Randy White was special, bro John did not so much.
Speaker 3: He was mean, yeah, but he was mean. These were
Speaker 3: some Uh, there were some great gentlemen man, and uh,
Speaker 3: they was kind on the way.
Speaker 2: They was very kind pull ups.
Speaker 3: They were right because they him and uh, he's a
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer defensive line coach. Uh from Randy he was,
Speaker 3: he was Hall of famer anyway, the defensive line coach.
Speaker 3: They betted that I couldn't do five pull ups, and
Speaker 3: I heard him. You overheard it, Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 3: made me do the five pull ups and no more.
Speaker 3: I could have did many more pull ups, but they
Speaker 3: you know, so when they say get on the pull
Speaker 3: up bar, I bet you can't do five pull ups,
Speaker 3: you know, And the defense line took the coach took
Speaker 3: him up on it. So what I did, I jumped
Speaker 3: up the right which they ain't think I could jump either,
Speaker 3: I could down the basketball. So I jumped up there.
Speaker 3: I pulled up once. I pulled up twice in the
Speaker 3: fourth oh Man, I just brown. Oh Man just Bradly
Speaker 3: got my fill. I just and I looked at him.
Speaker 3: I said, pay him his money.
Speaker 2: I told coach.
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna get cut. So I was
Speaker 3: gonna I was gonna not go make it. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Man, I'm getting cut. I won't be here,
Speaker 3: you know. I get my autograph from Coach Landra and
Speaker 3: I'll be gone.
Speaker 2: And the reason Nate was eligible uh to come and
Speaker 2: work out for the Cowboys was the u s FL
Speaker 2: folded probably the week before, or at least they two
Speaker 2: weeks two weeks, right, the Cowboys were in London and
Speaker 2: they uh, the NFL won a the USFL was UH
Speaker 2: one lawsuit against the against the NFL, and the USFL
Speaker 2: won and they were rewarded a one dollar UH payment.
Speaker 3: And then and then so anything like that is a
Speaker 3: triple reward. So right, so we had to split that
Speaker 3: up against you know how many players.
Speaker 2: You got a penny? Right, So bye, by then they
Speaker 2: were able. You were at the Tampa Bay bandits UH
Speaker 2: and so he was eligible to come out. But something
Speaker 2: else happened that week. Nate, do you remember did we
Speaker 2: get hirshing in absolutely another for so thirty eight years ago?
Speaker 2: Yesterday they signed herschel Walker UH to a five year,
Speaker 2: five million dollar contract with This was unprecedented in cowboy
Speaker 2: history to get that much of money. Mad veterans. Do
Speaker 2: you remember how mad the veterans were?
Speaker 3: And they didn't they didn't care nothing about bringing it out.
Speaker 3: They didn't care nothing about saying it. Oh they was.
Speaker 3: They was hot. It was two guys they were mad at.
Speaker 3: Remember the quarterback we signed, I can't think of his name.
Speaker 3: He played at UH Southern Methodist.
Speaker 2: A cornerback or quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, I can't think of
Speaker 2: his name. Well, at that time, the back of behind
Speaker 2: Danny White were Steve Ploor and Gary Hogebu.
Speaker 3: And then no, we brought in another guy, black guy, quarterback.
Speaker 2: You drafted out of Southern Mississippi.
Speaker 3: Yes, they drafted him. But he went to the USFL
Speaker 3: and played first and then came.
Speaker 2: Right and I'm looking guy and he wasn't got it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: Okay, this was nineteen eighty six, correct, Okay, Reggie Regie.
Speaker 2: I hate hey, look at here.
Speaker 3: Look here you're talking about some guys were hot because
Speaker 3: he had clauses in his contract that you know, and
Speaker 3: that's how they tried to hide the money. And every year,
Speaker 3: almost at the end of the year, the NFL Players
Speaker 3: Association was sent out everybody's contract and they found out
Speaker 3: all that millions and millions of hitting dollars that they
Speaker 3: was paying. Reggie car You, Randy White came unglued where
Speaker 3: he had to fight almost every other year to get paid.
Speaker 3: Everson Wall was in cents. Man, I cannot believe this.
Speaker 3: I'm like us, aveiled baby.
Speaker 2: So what happened was the Cowboys had the rights to
Speaker 2: Herschel Walker. Yes it is that drafted them in the
Speaker 2: fifth round in nineteen eighty five, but he was property
Speaker 2: of the New Jersey Generals, owned by Donald I will
Speaker 2: make you lose all your money Trump, and he had
Speaker 2: signed a personal services contract I guaranteed four year, six
Speaker 2: million dollar deal, so they had to for so, even
Speaker 2: though the UFL folded and the Cowboys had the rights
Speaker 2: to Herschel, Trump had to give permission for Herschel to
Speaker 2: play in the NFL because he had a personal service
Speaker 2: contract right So he comes in August twelfth, the date
Speaker 2: Nate signs, and they had a press conference for him.
Speaker 2: He hadn't even signed yet, right, They got him signed
Speaker 2: the next day. So thirty eight years ago, yesterday they
Speaker 2: signed Herschel Walker And the first thing Tony Dorsett said
Speaker 2: was trade me. I'm out of here. And by the
Speaker 2: end of the day he kind of calmed down because
Speaker 2: now Herschel was going to make more money than Tony
Speaker 2: in what his tenth year with the Cowboys. And I
Speaker 2: remember when they first asked and I was there. They
Speaker 2: asked Tony what he felt about them signing Herschel and
Speaker 2: he said, I feel like a million dollars. He wanted
Speaker 2: a million dollars too. But the best thing, here's what
Speaker 2: Everson Walls had to say, and ever our partner on
Speaker 2: mixed shots, right, he had the right to renegotiate his
Speaker 2: contract as he had incentives that he achieved. In eighty
Speaker 2: five he led the league in interceptions once again. Well,
Speaker 2: he came out to practice and you know how you
Speaker 2: kind of tape up your ankles and your socks and everything.
Speaker 2: So they called him the spats back then he put
Speaker 2: a dollar sign on his ankles he painted a dollar
Speaker 2: sign on his ankles, and he said, if they were
Speaker 2: going to do something like this, as slick as the
Speaker 2: Cowboys tried to be, sometimes they'd have signed everyone else first.
Speaker 2: Because Mike Sharad was holding out. Doug Cosby needed a contract,
Speaker 2: He needed a contract. They are going to hear from
Speaker 2: a lot of people about this. They know there's going
Speaker 2: to be a backlash, and there was from the veteran
Speaker 2: players that year, and then Herschel came in and they
Speaker 2: finally kind of made peace and shared the running back position.
Speaker 2: And that year, the first half of the year, if
Speaker 2: you remember Nate, uh, you guys finished after eight games
Speaker 2: six and two, tied with the Giants who were six
Speaker 2: and two for first place in the NFC East. And
Speaker 2: then in Game nine, Danny White had his wrists broken,
Speaker 2: ligaments separated. The Giants never lost. They won that game barely.
Speaker 2: The Giants never lost another game, won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys only won one more game after Danny got hurt.
Speaker 2: You know what's amazing.
Speaker 3: If Hershel only knew that he was really really impacted
Speaker 3: Cowboys in a different way, and.
Speaker 2: That's where I was getting to. And that was at
Speaker 2: the beginning of how the trade went down in nine
Speaker 2: when they traded them for all those draft choices. Well,
Speaker 2: the thing that happened, if you think about it, after
Speaker 2: he got there, you guys never had another winning season.
Speaker 3: Oh no, we became a one dimensional team. We were
Speaker 3: well balanced before Hershel got that well balanced. No one
Speaker 3: player dominated the scene, even though we had stars like
Speaker 3: Tony's are, said Tony Hill, Randy, I mean Danny White.
Speaker 2: Randy White, Yeah, Danny we we we we on offensive offense, but.
Speaker 3: We we it would spread that ball around and coach
Speaker 3: Landrum would have it working. And we became Herschel walker.
Speaker 3: And when Jimmy got here, the offensive uh a lot
Speaker 3: offensive coach, we were herschel Walker.
Speaker 2: And that's Jimmy said, That's what I'm afraid of. Well,
Speaker 2: I can remember, I could remember. I could remember Jimmy
Speaker 2: saying the reason that he wanted the more versatile running
Speaker 2: back was that Herschel was a straight line. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: and his whole deal was running over people like he
Speaker 2: did Bill Bates when they were in college playing again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that up, But anyway, that was the start of that week.
Speaker 2: Nate Newton, six time Pro Bowl guard, signs with the
Speaker 2: Cowboys and then.
Speaker 3: I was the reason we went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: They built the team around me when you were four
Speaker 3: hundred pounds. They have no other choice but to build.
Speaker 2: The That's that's that's a lot of building to get around.
Speaker 2: He built the team around me. All right, Well we're
Speaker 2: out of time. But I just thought that was I
Speaker 2: knew of the herschel Walker thing, but I forgot that
Speaker 2: that was the week Nate showed up. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: guy that was the assistant equipment manager, Nick von Diggs.
Speaker 2: We got Carson a little behind the scenes banter and
Speaker 2: so we better get out before it gets too hot heated, right, Yeah, Nate, Anna,
Speaker 2: I'm Mickey, and we'll be back when Chris because Monday, Friday,
Speaker 2: Monday next week, Monday, next week, mix shots on. I'll
Speaker 2: be calling in.
Speaker 3: I'll be on the road. I'll call in me all right, yeah,
Speaker 3: come on, I don't spoiler.
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