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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a lovely, lovely Tuesday

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It is so nice outside.

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Speaker 3: I know what you're gonna say, Can I steal it

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Speaker 3: from him? Go ahead, stomping, Landard stomping.

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Speaker 1: I think I got I got like nine on the

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Speaker 1: way in. I couldn't believe how many were out, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's another one. Oh there was.

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Speaker 3: I went all the way to the trash can because

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Speaker 3: I had like a cliff bar rapper throwaway and that's

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Speaker 3: lantern fly heaven over there. I was crushing them.

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Speaker 1: Left and right along with your cliff bar right.

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Speaker 3: That was on the way in.

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Speaker 1: Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin having his press conference today,

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Speaker 1: as you can, and there weren't a lot of negativity,

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Speaker 1: different tone. He was asked about some of the different

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Speaker 1: things that happened in the game. He actually brought the

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Speaker 1: penalty stuff up on his own and he said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that you have to

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Speaker 1: do in a game, and I thought this was interesting.

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Speaker 1: You have to and it's true. It's it's it's true.

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Speaker 1: No matter what the sport is, you have to figure

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Speaker 1: out what the what the officials are calling, how they're

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Speaker 1: calling the game, and then react accordingly. So if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're playing baseball in the home played umpire, strike

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Speaker 1: zone is.

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Speaker 3: Night, why you adjust.

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Speaker 1: Your game according if the if if your basketball official

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Speaker 1: was calling anything, you know, any kind of hand check,

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Speaker 1: don't hand check. And in this case of the Steelers, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he specifically brought up the T. J. Watt

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Speaker 1: offside penalty said, look, a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: officials will tell you, give you a warning, Hey, you're

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Speaker 1: getting close on that. Uh, that didn't happen in this

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Speaker 1: you know, this crew wasn't wasn't doing that same thing

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Speaker 1: with the you know, the unnecessary roughness slash taunting penalties.

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Speaker 1: They weren't giving warnings.

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Speaker 3: They were just okay. Yeah, so you learn quick obviously.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you have any insight on this,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not even sure if it's true, but was

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Speaker 3: it which one did it to Witherspoon, I think it

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Speaker 3: was yeah, And I heard a couple of people say

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Speaker 3: they're like real good buddies.

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Speaker 1: Well, Deontay said that after the game, like itous, he said,

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Speaker 1: I was just you know, he said, Deonta or like

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Speaker 1: Akello and I are are our friends. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: anything malicious. We were just they were both smiling about it.

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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden it comes official to throw

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Speaker 3: To the official knows that he needs to know what

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Speaker 3: their relationship and training camp was last year or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But I found that interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so, you know, but as Tomlins said, look,

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Speaker 1: those things can't happen. You clean it up.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Every time there's a game like that and the Steelers

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Speaker 1: get a couple of penalties like that, it happens like

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Speaker 1: once a year. The immediately the well, these Steelers are undisciplined. Undisciplined,

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Speaker 1: they're one of the least penalized teams in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone knows. I do this stat pack and the

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Speaker 3: Steelers were minus thirty four or thirty six I think

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Speaker 3: it was in penalty yardage in this game. Despite that,

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Speaker 3: there's still like plus fifteen yards per game in the

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Speaker 3: penalty department. Did they get significant That's huge Again, that's

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Speaker 3: winning margin, you know, right right.

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Speaker 1: That's winning in the margins, you know, and that's what

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Speaker 1: this team is has been really good at not beating itself.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly the article I wrote that for this week

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Speaker 3: was you know, things like and yeah, I turned it

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Speaker 3: I mean, so talked about that, right. It's funny because

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Speaker 1: Don't miss kicks, yeah, you know, don't don't make you

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, they have.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you view the fourth downs

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Speaker 1: if they miss a field goal, you're getting great field

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember if we had this conversation or not,

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Speaker 3: of my article. Steelers are plus six in turnover differential,

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Speaker 3: as everyone knows it. They're plus three in terms of

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Speaker 3: been stopped at. And same with miss field goals. Boz

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Speaker 3: way I look at turnover differential, and I'm not just

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Speaker 3: massaging this to make the Steelers look good, Steelers are

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Speaker 3: plus twelve. I mean that's huge through six games. I

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Speaker 1: Game, you're getting two of those plays a game that.

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Speaker 3: You're getting handed to, you know, often at midfield on

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Speaker 3: absolutely gigantic. And that along with penalties. And that's what

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Speaker 3: I wrote about last night and what I found too.

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Speaker 3: And this should surprise no one, but I think it's

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Speaker 3: more applicable, applicable. I never say that word, but that's

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Speaker 3: a good one. Yeah, to pick it than most quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: like eighteen games in he's played nineteen. He's been, he

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Speaker 3: even if it's one, the record's awful, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. Like there's a direct relation to picket throwing

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Speaker 1: He's also been and he's good at not He's good

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Speaker 1: at not doing it. He hasn't told a lot either.

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Speaker 3: No, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the things like when we do

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think about it enough. You correct

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Speaker 1: Yeah to me, the guys, the guys that are like

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Speaker 1: every time if you find like look at desbon Ritter

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Speaker 3: He has three red zone fumbles in the last two games.

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Speaker 3: He didn't throw he was going into the end zone.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he had an interceptions on Sunday. But

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Speaker 3: And the other one he's the runner going in and

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Speaker 3: simple little thing. That would have been seven points as opposed.

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Speaker 3: I think that one got knocked out of the end

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Speaker 3: twenty five or whatever and should have been seven points

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't think that I gets factored in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is an issue.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. That's one of my thing, big things against

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Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, it's just and it's warranted. You know,

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Speaker 3: like if anyone goes to Kenny's page on ESPN dot

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Speaker 3: there's I think there's two games he had two and

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Speaker 3: they lost. Those ones. Those were early in his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: But almost every other one where he throws a pick

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Speaker 1: Well, how about that? So I was looking up some stuff. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I wrote a story today on Steelers dot coments, but

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Speaker 1: Pickett and how Tomlin's not surprised that you know, he

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Speaker 1: does this kind of stuff. So he now has five

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Speaker 1: game winning drives, yeah, or fourth quarter game winder drives

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Speaker 1: in his career. We know Ben Roethlisberger had forty one

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Speaker 1: Third all time. So Roethlisberger in his career it worked

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Speaker 3: nineteen years or eighteen years? And you know, so is

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Speaker 3: Kenny's ratio better?

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Speaker 1: It is? He's at twenty eight percent?

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Speaker 1: A big lead, but he would always joke about it.

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Speaker 1: He's like, because I you know, you'd ask him about

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Speaker 3: It's a good way player. Yeah, that is a little

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Speaker 3: But the fact that you can play your best at

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Speaker 3: the end is the obvious takeaway here.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's some stats on picket. This is I

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Speaker 1: got these are from NFL dot Com. So in the

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Speaker 1: first quarter of games this year, he's eighteen of thirty

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Speaker 1: two for one hundred and ninety six yards, one touchdown,

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Speaker 1: three interceptions. He's produced five first downs.

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Speaker 3: Passing okay, five five, well, I know, first downs in

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Speaker 3: the in six games not happening, Buchsers.

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Speaker 1: His passer rating in the first quarter is forty five

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Speaker 1: point eight. It's awful at the three interceptions will be.

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Speaker 3: A big part of that, of course, but his average.

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Speaker 1: Yards per pass is six point one. The second quarter

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Speaker 1: isn't it's actually worse, even though he's thrown two touchdown passes.

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Speaker 1: In the second quarter, it's thirty two of sixty two.

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Speaker 1: That's a fifty one point six completion percentage three hundred

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Speaker 1: And he has a seventy one yarder in there too

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Speaker 1: third quarter thirty five of fifty three, sixty six percent

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Speaker 1: quarter twenty seven of thirty seven. That's a seventy three

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Speaker 1: one touchdown one interception, a one oh two point eight.

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Speaker 1: They even break it down in the fourth quarter when

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Speaker 3: I should have been paying attention just as you were

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Speaker 1: That's what happened? A Yeah, yeah, your defense has to

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Speaker 3: You have some suspicions this is what they usually do,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rock party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cousins, I thought played really well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the next SEGMENTO, Matt, we are a week out

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Speaker 1: from the trade deadlines next Tuesday, four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I believe no trade yesterday, and I bet we see

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Speaker 3: a bunch between now and Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the ESPN put out some trade candidates

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Speaker 1: from around the league here from each team, one from

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Speaker 1: each team. Some of it you make it up, you know.

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Speaker 3: I know not everyone has one.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody has one. But we'll see who's on the

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Speaker 1: list there when we come back.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that when we come back. Here is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Drive and Matt, as I mentioned, going into the break,

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline now just one week away, and well

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Speaker 1: there'll be action. There'll be some action, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Like a team like Buffalo, for example, with Mulano out

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Speaker 1: for the year, maybe the defense they could use an

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker.

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Speaker 3: No question. And there's plenty of selling teams. Yeah, there

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Speaker 3: should be at least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So looking here at the ESPN had their quote

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Speaker 1: unquote insiders go through and pick a player from each

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Speaker 1: team who could be on the move.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure some have multiple, some really don't have any.

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Speaker 1: Some really don't have any. Yeah, So we'll go through

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Speaker 1: this and we'll go division by division because that's how

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Speaker 1: they they haven't listed for me. So in the NFC East,

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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, defensive tackle Neville Gallimore, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's kind of non exciting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they would be more of a buyer than

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Speaker 3: a seller team, of course, but they like a diggy

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Speaker 3: zoo a lot. And I think Gallamore is he's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a free agent year out and probably isn't coming back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for the Giants and this isn't happening Saquon.

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Speaker 3: Barkley, I would consider it if I were them.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they will, though he's already stated that

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Speaker 1: he wants to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're like, they're he's up after the year.

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Speaker 3: Their contract stuff was just massaging the franchise.

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Speaker 1: I understand all that, but there, I mean, first I

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Speaker 1: think he should he's making a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: He's making a lot of money, Yeah, so the base.

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Speaker 1: Salary, I mean, because he's playing on the franchise tag.

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Speaker 3: Plus he's like twelve ish. I think the franchise tag's

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Speaker 3: eleven and he's a twelve. Yeah, him and Jake.

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Speaker 1: They gave him a little bump on this, but the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag numbers are still there. So you're gonna tell me,

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Speaker 1: in a league in which nobody wants to pay running backs,

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna rent a running back for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year for about five and a half million dollars.

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Speaker 3: You would consider it if you're the Ravens or the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs or the building that the Ravens can afford it. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know all their salary cap situations, but he

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Speaker 3: makes you a lot better I understand that, and you'd

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Speaker 3: get a third round pick after he leaves most likely.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you run him, you can also.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Giants, that's that's going to be. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not taking anything less than a third. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I probably want a second because I'm giving up a

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Speaker 1: really good player.

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Speaker 3: So why do I say a third? Because these premium dudes,

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Speaker 3: if they were just to let them go, not always,

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Speaker 3: but they.

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Speaker 1: At the running back position. Nobody's going to give bar

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Speaker 1: any running back a deal that's large enough to offset

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Speaker 1: some of the other bigger deals for an offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. So it's really not really a third round

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Speaker 1: pick that you would get back. You're probably looking at

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Speaker 1: more like a four or five.

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Speaker 3: So I'm guessing again, I don't know, think the Giants

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Speaker 3: cap off of my head, assuming that they're a bad

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Speaker 3: team and they're gonna be buyers in next off season,

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Speaker 3: you may not get any compicks period, even if you

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Speaker 3: were to let.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's our thing, you know, and you might just

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Speaker 1: want to say, we want to just keep Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think you can.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a founder. He's a foundational piece of

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Speaker 1: their offense.

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Speaker 3: He's good for Daniel Jones, right, I mean, and Daniel

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Speaker 3: Jones isn't going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But he would be good if you brought in a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback too.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he is a value. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: not denying that. I'm just saying if I were them,

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Speaker 3: I would explore.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he is the face of your franchise.

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Speaker 3: But how many years of the level? I think it

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Speaker 3: was a bad investment to begin with, as was Daniel Jones. Like,

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Speaker 3: I think they screwed up this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just don't think he's moving. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's happening because there are cheaper guys out there that

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Speaker 1: you can get.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there definitely are like.

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Speaker 1: The next one for the Philadelphia Eagles Sean Penny.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. I don't know, but that's like a

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Speaker 3: six round pick, seventh round pick, I would get that

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Speaker 3: would guess.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. It's cheaper than Barkley. Oh, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't even know how much. How many

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Speaker 3: is he played yet this year? I don't remember him

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Speaker 3: a little bit the one week out.

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Speaker 1: There, maybe week two when game well was hurt.

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Speaker 3: The Swiss and then the Swift Blue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Washington Commanders. No surprise for Chase Young.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's probably several. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I mean you think McLaurin could be had. I don't know, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean probably or probably, because again, if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: getting back into the quarterback market in the off season,

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Speaker 1: it's you're like to have Terry McLaurin there to young

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Speaker 1: quarterback to throw it too.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Uh. For the Chicago Bears, we talked about this one before.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, the cornerback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't fit the scene. Great, he's a good

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Speaker 3: man guy. Long, it doesn't sound like they're probably gonna

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Speaker 3: bring him back, so you could cash out on him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, for the Detroit Lions. This guy just announced he's retiring.

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Speaker 1: It's Marvin Joe's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just saw that while I was getting coffee

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Speaker 3: a minute ago. Right, interesting, Yeah, tough to get. You're

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Speaker 3: not gonna get much for him.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to move on from receivers, largely because a

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Speaker 1: when those guys are gonna get paid big money when

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Speaker 1: the contract is up. So you're not gonna trade for

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Speaker 1: one that's on an expiring contract because he's gonna cost

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Speaker 1: you the pick and a bunch of money, or he's

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Speaker 1: gonna leave. And you know, I just don't see receivers.

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Speaker 1: I think receivers to me might be a tougher trade.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's certainly a track record around draft time,

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Speaker 3: off season A J. Brown, Tyreek off.

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Speaker 1: Seasons, different off seasons, different than trading one of your

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Speaker 1: starting watchers. Like Denver' is the outlier here because they've

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Speaker 1: they've drafted Mims and they want to obviously want to

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Speaker 1: get up a spot for him to play. But people

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Speaker 1: people talking about I'm not good receivers. Yeah, like people

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Speaker 1: talking about the DeAndre Hopkins getting traded. If you're the Titans,

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Speaker 1: don't you want to see what those young quarterbacks look

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Speaker 1: like with actual receivers to throw to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's two sides of that argument. Anybody.

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Speaker 1: He went and signed DeAndre Hopkins because you don't have

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Speaker 1: any good receivers, So now you're going to put your

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks back there with guys who can't get.

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Speaker 3: Open, right, and he's very quarterback friendly in style. I mean,

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Speaker 3: just put it.

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Speaker 1: Just put it. He's an area code.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But I think you have a conversation you

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Speaker 3: weigh that value versus a pick.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, he's not played well enough for me to

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Speaker 1: want to give up a good pick man and take

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Speaker 1: on that salary exactly like you know, signing Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: right now, you know I'm not going to give you

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year for four catches for forty

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Speaker 1: yards or I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think it's a one year deal. I think you'd

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Speaker 3: get him for more than this from what I remember

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Speaker 3: in the contract with Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: For the Packers. Preston Preston Smith.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that one thrown around.

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Speaker 1: They're not going anywhere this year.

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Speaker 3: I think they're the most them in the Chargers most

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Speaker 3: disappointing teams in the league. Yeah, very very young. Gary's there.

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Speaker 3: They drafted van Ness. So I assume Smith will not

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Speaker 3: be back for the Vikings. Maybe somebody will give you

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Speaker 3: something for him.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's had a decent care for the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: It's Danielle Hunter.

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Speaker 3: But you wonder now they've won three out of four,

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Speaker 3: they're back in it. I mean, the Lion's just lost.

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Speaker 1: I mean looking at the NFC A you know, I

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Speaker 1: think the Vikings are three and four. They're in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the race. They're they're a game out of

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Speaker 1: a playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I think they're a top seven game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean in terms if you were to power rank

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Speaker 3: the NFC, I put them right there with.

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Speaker 1: Like Seattle, like the people saying that when maybe Justin

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Speaker 1: Jefferson doesn't come back this year.

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Speaker 3: I think you look at a way, Yeah, they've been

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Speaker 3: coaching their butts off on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Cousins played phenomenal and now you throw Jefferson into that mix. Okay, right,

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Speaker 3: that's a really good old line too. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the NFC South for the Falcons wide receiver Scott Miller,

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Speaker 1: when you getting for Scott.

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Speaker 3: Miller, Yeah, okay, fine, bag of bag of balls. They

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Speaker 3: traded for a receiver and okay, for.

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Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers, cornerback Dante Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Maybe. I think he's also the contracts.

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Speaker 1: Up, contracts up. He's getting a little up in age.

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Speaker 1: He's been injury prone throughout the course.

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Speaker 3: He's not the biggest for him, he's like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy five pounds.

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Speaker 1: All of that. Uh. For the Saints, it's cornerback Isaac

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Speaker 1: y item I can never pronounce that name. Item Ya.

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Speaker 3: I think he's falling on the depth chart because some

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Speaker 3: of the guys they've drafted mixed with Latimore ahead of them. Okay,

647
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Speaker 3: you're not much for him either. Tampa Bay Steeler fans,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have any interest in item or Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For Tampa Bay, it's wide receiver Mike Evans. But

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Speaker 1: they're in the middle of the playoff race. They're all

651
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Speaker 1: trading away Mike Evans right now. If they were one

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Speaker 1: in the lot, yeah a lot.

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00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're a contender, and

654
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: they have massive cat pros.

655
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Know, by the way, Godwin's now hurt. They play Thursday night. Yeah,

656
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Okay, Yeah, Godwin's dealing with a

657
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: neck injury.

658
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: Like Evans have a great year. Yeah, hypothetically if you

659
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: could afford him, if you were the Chiefs, would you

660
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: give up a second for Evans?

661
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: It's probably what you'd have to develop first.

662
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: Is too much.

663
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the NFC West, well for Arizona once again,

664
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: this guy went on IR today zach Ertz.

665
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that just happened too, so so he's not going anywhere.

666
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. So I wonder if they have

667
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: an old dude though, that could go Connor. But he's hurt.

668
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: But he's hurt. He can't trade guys that are hurt. Yeah,

669
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: that's the problem for the Rams. It's offensive lineman Joe noepoom.

670
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: Okay, he's kind of been Is he a guard? Is

671
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: he a tackle? He's probably a six guy in a

672
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: perfect world. Hasn't really worked out. Yeah, yeah maybe.

673
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: For the forty nine ers, it's a backup running back.

674
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: So you're looking at Jordan Mason or Elijah Mitchell or

675
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: tears I Price, Davis Price.

676
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not getting ready anybody. They traded trade Lance,

677
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: I mean that was the guy that was their their

678
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: loose piece.

679
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't see them doing anything with that.

680
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: No.

681
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: For the Seahawks's cornerback Mike Jackson, but I know very

682
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: little about him. He is a former Michael Jackson. I

683
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: assume he was a Jets draft pick.

684
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they have young, good young corners.

685
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's just Yeah, he's now their number four.

686
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Okay, again, this was an assignment for all these beat

687
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: reporters to pick a name, and it's tough to do.

688
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: Not all of them haven't any.

689
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: For the Bills, they put down cornerback kyer Elam. Well,

690
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: they're not trading kyer Elam. Now.

691
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: Well, the corners have been really bad, right, and their

692
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: linebackers are bad. I mean, if anything, they're adding defense.

693
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see them. No moving on from any anybody.

694
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: No, I mean even like Dawson Knox.

695
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean with k coming on, but he's hurt down,

696
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is hurt. Yeah, from Miami. It's a defensive end.

697
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Ogba Okay, I mean again, there're gonna be more

698
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: buyers and sellers anyway the way anybody would want. Yeah. Yeah,

699
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: you're not gonna give up much for or get much

700
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: for him.

701
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: They signed himTo a four year, sixty five million dollar

702
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: contract last year last year off season. It's a Manua. Yeah,

703
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars to a manual.

704
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: That wasn't his past off season. This was two years,

705
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: two off seasons ago. Yeah right, Yeah, that's a bad yuck.

706
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: Who's gonnaive you who's the one? Hint?

707
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: It's Manuagba. It's an average player on a good day.

708
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he even starts anymore.

709
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Uh. For the Patriots, it's tight end Mike Siki. Maybe

710
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: we've got the end zone by the way this weekend. Yeah,

711
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: it would have been a good fantasy call he would have.

712
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we wont Hayward. I own National tight end day.

713
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: I bet they have a handful of guys who could

714
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: come up with. I mean, you're not gonna get a

715
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: lot for Hunter Henry or DeVante Parker or you know

716
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: a lot of their dudes juju. But I mean if

717
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: you want them to take them.

718
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Uh. For the Jets, it's defensive end slash edge rusher

719
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson.

720
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we keep hearing that. I mean they use the

721
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: first round pick on a guy that was similar and

722
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: I think his contract's up. That team's built in a

723
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: nine or like way, though, I mean they covet defensive lineman.

724
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the AFC North for Baltimore's quarterback Tyler Huntley?

725
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Who would want Tyler Huntley?

726
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: And the Ravens are a contender and Lamar is not

727
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: exactly a healthy durability Madman. I mean he's the two.

728
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, you're not gonna get much for him,

729
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: and you might need.

730
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: It, you know, by the way Lamar's gotten hurt in

731
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: each of the last time. Well, you're not trading and

732
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: nobody he's a specific scheme fit for them.

733
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the Bears give you something

734
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: for him. Probably not.

735
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: For the Bengals it's t Higgins.

736
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: Things would have to go real bad, real quick. Yeah,

737
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: I mean we'll lose.

738
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: They're three and three right now.

739
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: Does three and four make you a seller? Probably not.

740
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. They'll be back next year and I

741
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: need a lot for him, but you can't move on

742
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: from him right now.

743
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. For the Browns. It's Stonovan People's jones.

744
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: He is not playing hardly at all, barely plays at all. Yeah,

745
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: and some of my three or seventh round or for him.

746
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Houston Texans, linebacker Denzel Perryman he's falling

747
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: out favor now.

748
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've drafted some younger.

749
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: And if you're Houston, would you trade him to Buffalo?

750
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: If you're Buffalo, would you want Denzel Perryman.

751
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: I would hope to do better. But at least he's

752
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: been around the block, and he's smart and all those things.

753
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: But I guess he could start for some teams.

754
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. For the Colts, it's safety Julian Blackman.

755
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: He started his career strong. I can't say I've paid

756
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: a ton of attention to him. Yeah, I think he's

757
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: in his third year. Yeah, he's an interesting player.

758
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: For the Jaguars, it's running back Deerness Johnson. Sign him, Yeah,

759
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: but he doesn't play.

760
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't play.

761
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: For the Titans, it's defensive lineman tier tart In about

762
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: fifteen other guys.

763
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: They should be a seller. I mean, if Tannehill can

764
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: show he's healthy. Henry, we talked about Hopkins. I'm sure

765
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: some people on the defense, Fulton, I've heard the corner

766
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: could be somebody that moves. He's up after the year.

767
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: They're they're in trouble.

768
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: For the Broncos, it is wide receiver Jerry Judy. And

769
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: here's why this is really difficult. I don't think it's

770
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: going to happen. They picked up his fifty year option

771
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: in May. Yeah, so he's guaranteed, fully guaranteed to make

772
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars next.

773
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: Year next ye yeah right right, right, so he is not.

774
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: He's not, he's not. It's a bad decision. Yeah, I

775
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 3: mean they shouldn't have picked it up. He's an overrated player.

776
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: So if anybody gets traded to that due it's probably

777
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton.

778
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's actually played better of the two, right yeah,

779
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: uh for the Chiefs, Clyde Edwards.

780
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of running backs on this list.

781
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Right right. I mean it shocked me that Terrell Edmonds

782
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: was part of the buyer deal. Let's say, I don't.

783
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Know, they trade for a running back, they.

784
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: Trade for Henry or Zach Moss or somebody like that.

785
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Would they send.

786
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Ce See that's who I would have put on the

787
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: colts list.

788
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: Moss Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a perfect you could

789
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: get it. You could get his stocks really high right

790
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: now or his career.

791
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: That's one that you could probably get maybe a third

792
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: or fourth round pabe.

793
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for a back that age, that's a

794
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: bad return.

795
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: You're paying the other guy a bunch of money. You

796
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: signed him for trading's on the wall. You traded them

797
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: for nothing and then resigned him for the Raiders. It's

798
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: Hunter Renfro again.

799
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: They signed him a bad deal.

800
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: Thirteen point one Yeah, million dollar set cap hit this year.

801
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: You signed someone with a terrible deal. You not only

802
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: are stuck with a bad deal, but you can't trade them.

803
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: The Chargers. It's linebacker Kenneth Murray.

804
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: So should they be sellers like Keenan Allen.

805
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that they'll look at it that way.

806
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: They won't, but they might, right, I mean, they could

807
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: lose to the Bears on Sunday.

808
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they will.

809
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: I don't either, But if they do, I think you

810
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: fire the staff. Like I heard a good Chargers conversation.

811
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: And what's interesting about them is they this great young quarterback.

812
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: He's not going anywhere well you know, he's obviously a

813
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: foundational dude. But their salary cap is a nightmare. Next year,

814
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: it's only going to get worse. This is the best

815
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: things are going to be for a while for the Chargers,

816
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: and it's not even close to being good enough. No,

817
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: So if I could trade Keenan Allen or Bosa or Darwin.

818
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like, big name guys that are making a

819
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: lot of money. Is that the prudent move. I'm not

820
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: saying it is or not, but I would have start

821
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: to have that conversation inside those walls. I mean, it's

822
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: that bad for them. And the last thing about the Chargers,

823
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: Bosa and Darwin don't make any plays anymore. No, Like

824
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: their defense is bad. And even though they have big

825
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: name dudes, you don't hear their names ever.

826
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Well you heard a couple of show when he had

827
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: a six sec game, Mac, Yeah, that was it. That's all.

828
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: That's all. He didn't have any sex going into the game.

829
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he has any sense. Yeah, these guys

830
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: get here so he won to a matchup. Yeah, the

831
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: huge contracts and then they don't do anything.

832
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's bad.

833
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Derwin James barely plays half the time, you.

834
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: Know, injury issues and right, yeah, I don't know.

835
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, some of the teams that are sellers

836
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: on you can put multiple players on the list here.

837
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, I'm sure you could probably a

838
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: lot of people away from Carolina and Arizona and you.

839
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: Know, trying to acquire guy, you know. But the Chargers,

840
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, they may still look at it like

841
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: they're in it, and they're you know, the coaching staff

842
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: is going to go, no, don't trade away with anybody

843
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: right now, because we we're coaching for our jobs.

844
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wonder how many teams are in that boat,

845
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't think the Bengals would be, but the

846
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: Chargers should be that with one more loss between now

847
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: and Halloween, now we're sellers, you know.

848
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Like the problem is the trade deadline is next week.

849
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like, if you lose this Sunday, then if

850
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: you want Keenan Allen, come get them.

851
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: But the coaching staff's not going to the coaching look

852
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: at that and go, we can't even if let's let's

853
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: say let's say you win this week, you're still three

854
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: and four, Are you really in it?

855
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: Probably not?

856
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: Probably not.

857
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: But I wonder how many teams are going we'd consider

858
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: trading Keenan Allen blah. But I'm just using him an example.

859
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: If we lose this week, that's the straw that it

860
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: could send.

861
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: But the coaches are the coaches are going to say

862
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: no to that.

863
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: But they might not depends how that the team structured.

864
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the coaches may have no say whatsoever. I mean,

865
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: GM goes the owner and says, we stink and we

866
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: get some salary out of here, and he says, Okay,

867
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if you.

868
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Just fire the coach at the same time, because you

869
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: might it's inevitable. Yeah, that's going to happen, and.

870
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: That we're not in it anymore.

871
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: It's time to go, and you have you know, then

872
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: you run into a whole bunch of different problems because

873
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: you got to have somebody on the staff who's capable,

874
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: who a wants to do the job and be is

875
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: capable of doing the job.

876
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 3: I mean, Chargers to me or just it's a charge

877
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: that's going so terrible.

878
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: That's what happens. That's it. The Chargers are the Chargers.

879
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: The Chargers is the Chargers. The quotes I think taraphrase juju.

880
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: And I think Stateley's seat should have been hot before

881
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: the season started. Yeah, I agree, he isn't he's a

882
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: defensive guy and is gone very good.

883
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're Yeah, their defense stinks and he doesn't

884
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: know how to run an offense.

885
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: And their big name defenders aren't doing anything other than that.

886
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: They're great.

887
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: They're tremendous.

888
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: Yea, absolutely, Well, we're gonna get do a break. He

889
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to

890
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: the Driver on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back right

891
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: after this. Let's go play some ball.

892
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: Always talking Black and Gold football on SNR at Northwest Bank.

893
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

894
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

895
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,840
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896
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: And we are back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is Matt

897
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Williamson and Matt the Los Angeles Rams today released place

898
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: kicker Brett.

899
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Maher No, yeah, I saw that. Not a great day.

900
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: No, he didn't have a great day. Brent Mahr, over

901
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: the course of his career has made seventy nine point

902
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: eight five six percent of his kicks. That's after the series.

903
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: He was basically an eighty percent. Yeah, going into that,

904
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: that's not good enough in today's Well, I was gonna

905
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: say that if you had a job where if you

906
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: didn't make eighty five, if you weren't exactly perfect at

907
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: least eighty five percent of the time, the team's probably

908
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: looking to get rid of you every year.

909
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. So kickers are a crazy world, of course, and

910
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: I'm not a kicker expert, but I do believe that

911
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: there's five, six, seven great ones, and I think the

912
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: Steelers have one. I think Tucker is the class of

913
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: the of the era, of course, and then there's twenty

914
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: others that are NFL kickers. And if you're one of

915
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: the teams that doesn't have one, it's a revolving door

916
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: nightmare of trying them out every week and hoping you

917
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: found a guy. But you never know because he kicks

918
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: three times that Sunday and he misses two of them,

919
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: and so that means he stinks, you know. So it's

920
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: a nasty world, and drafting them is a terrible idea.

921
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we saw the Niners miss one right

922
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: off the bat, and he's had a rough year. And

923
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: you know, some of these guys are highly drafted. Most

924
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 3: of them don't stick. But correct me if I'm wrong.

925
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I mean, like the Gary

926
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 3: Anderson years, eighty percent was good enough. Oh yeah, kickers

927
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: have gotten a lot.

928
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: So I'm looking here at the career number the kicking

929
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: career leaders in field goal percentage. Of the top twenty

930
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: guys on the list ten are playing right now.

931
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: That doesn't shock me.

932
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: And all of them in the top ten or the

933
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: top twenty, I should say, the latest that anybody played

934
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: in the league was Mike Vanderjack in two thousand and six.

935
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: Everybody in this on this list is current, is current

936
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: or played since two thousand and six.

937
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: So they're way way better than they've ever been, and

938
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: the bar has gone up drastically. So even like when.

939
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: What's vander Jack known for missing the kick against the

940
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: steam call the man drunken kickers.

941
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: So even those teams like I mentioned, those five or

942
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: six that are searching, the guys they're using would have

943
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: been pro bowlers. Oh my god, I mean yeah, I mean,

944
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: and they can't get it. Mayor, my Mayor would have

945
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: been a pro bowler type of player.

946
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when I was seventy third on the

947
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: all time list, he's ahead of Morton Anderson, He's ahead

948
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: of Pete Stoyanovich.

949
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like these I think Morton's in the Hall of Fame, He's.

950
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Just ahead of them. Are Nick Lowry?

951
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: Those were the best kickers when I was.

952
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Gary Anderson's Yeah, Yeah, these guys are.

953
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you got those guys football cards and it

954
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: said pro bowler. Yeah, like those were the only kickers

955
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: you knew, Nick Lowry and those guys. So how about this.

956
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: You know you'll see this whenever I give you my

957
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: my stat pack. My special Team's note is very relevant here.

958
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: Chris Boswell hit a fifty yarder this past week. He

959
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: now has more fifty yard makes than every Steeler kicker

960
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: in history combined.

961
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: Crazy, I mean, that's insane to it.

963
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: He's he's like, he's great. We talked about this in

964
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: the offseason. You know, he wasn't going to have a

965
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: season like he did. He was twenty of twenty eight

966
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: last year. He was dealing with some injury stuff. Seventy

967
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: one point four percent obviously, not that what you expect

968
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: from from Boswell, because every other year in his career

969
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: except for two, he's been above ninety percent or above.

970
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: He's at one hundred percent this year. He's eleven for eleven.

971
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: He's four for four and fifty plus yarders and a

972
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: couple of those have been fifty, like fifty five plus yards. Yeah,

973
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: which there should be a designation for that now.

974
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: I would think, right he went to fifty five out.

975
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Should be every yard count even more, Yeah, should.

976
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Be even more than that. But if you so the

977
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: last three seasons now, last year again he was twenty

978
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: of twenty eight. Last year overall, he was seven to

979
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: nine on fifty plus yards. His misses were and this

980
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: has been something that's been kind of the problem over

981
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: his course of his career. He's seventy of eighty nine

982
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: and was five to ten last year from forty to

983
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: forty nine yards. He is twenty eight of thirty four

984
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: from fifty plus in his career.

985
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: Well, it's unbelievable.

986
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: The last three years he was eight of nine. In

987
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: twenty one he was seven of nine, and twenty twenty two,

988
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: and he's four for four this year.

989
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so a couple things. I mean, if you go,

990
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: but if you want rewind a segment one, if he

991
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: wasn't perfect this year, the Steelers record might look drastically

992
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: different if he had. If he was kicking at the

993
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: same percentage he was last year, his worst year, Like,

994
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: if that would have carried over for some reason, they'd

995
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: be in trouble.

996
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: They would be looking for a new kicker, right, they'd.

997
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: Look for a new kicker, and he's expensive, and they

998
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: might have one win or two wins or who knows,

999
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: you know. I mean that's been a crucial thing for them.

1000
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: And I do think you and I said this a

1001
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: million times over the offseason. With score more points. You know,

1002
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: everyone obviously reference as the offense, but we've said one

1003
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: hundred times, I bet their field goals go between the

1004
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: uprights more often.

1005
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: They missed eleven field goals. Yes, yeah, that was the league.

1006
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: They led the league in field goal attempts, but they

1007
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: also missed more field goals than anybody else.

1008
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's about two points per game. Yeah, I

1009
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: mean give or take, you know, I mean it's in

1010
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: that neighborhood. I mean two points for games a lot

1011
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: from eighteen points a game to twenty or twenty to

1012
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: twenty two.

1013
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: I think you kind of start taking it for granted

1014
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: a little bit without doubt. I mean, yeah, you have

1015
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: one of the most. He's number seven on now he's

1016
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: back up to seventh on the all time list at

1017
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: eighty six point nine three nine percent, just ahead of

1018
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: him as Josh Lambeau, who kicked from twenty fifteen to

1019
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two three different teams he was eighty seven percent. Again,

1020
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: but he kicked for three different teams in eighty seven percent,

1021
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: And you kick for three different teams in a seven

1022
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: year period.

1023
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: Did it say what teams?

1024
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: I'd have to click?

1025
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was. I was only curious because when

1026
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: you talk big body of work kickers, you have to

1027
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: talk about weather. Yeah, things about talker that makes him unbelievable.

1028
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: People talk about, well, young Hoku is the second best kicker,

1029
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: because he's he's at eighty nine point four percent all time,

1030
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: that's the second best.

1031
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, he kicks eight or nine games in Atlanta

1032
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: in the dome, right, and another three first case scenario

1033
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: there's a little storm in Carolina in December or something.

1034
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: There's not one makes a difference yet as a huge difference.

1035
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: We both are not vinitary believers. He at least had

1036
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: his career in New England where he showed he could

1037
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: kick through weather. But the last fifteen years or whatever,

1038
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: kicking in a dome and then once in a while

1039
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: going to Houston, Tennessee or Jacksonville, Like, come on, man,

1040
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, like the South. If you kicked in the

1041
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: NFC or AFC South, you had a much easier life

1042
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: than anybody else.

1043
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: Well, here's so that's wrong. I clicked on vander jackets

1044
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I got a click on the right guy.

1045
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: Here, like everyone talks about like he's a no brainer

1046
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, and I just don't see that he's.

1047
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: Not even in the top I gotta scroll way down

1048
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: here to get the Adamieria. Yeah.

1049
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: I figured he'd be in the top ten.

1050
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's one of my arguments against him. Like,

1051
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: if you put him in.

1052
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: I know he's like the most points because he played forever.

1053
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: He played forever. Yeah, where the heck is Adam Vinte.

1054
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: Wow, you're scrolling scrolling. I mean, here's no way he

1055
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: should be in the Hall of Fame if he's not

1056
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: in the top ten accuracy and he played in the

1057
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: Dome for a million years, I'm not why am I.

1058
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: Not finding him here? The name should just stand right out.

1059
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: I clicked on vander jack instead of in the TIERA.

1060
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: I just saw that he's not the top He's not,

1061
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: And that's that's my one of my arguments against him.

1062
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: Like he's there, he is third, he's thirty second all

1063
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: time in terms of field goal accuracy. Wow, and he

1064
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: could he so looking at if you look at it,

1065
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: he made in his years at Indianapolis eighty five point

1066
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: three percent of his kicks. In New England it was

1067
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: eighty one point nine. I kind of give you and

1068
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: the games are close. Yeah, fourteen years in Indianapolis. Ten years,

1069
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: had two careers. Yeah, both were good careers, not Hall

1070
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: of Fame career. I don't care like And they they talked, well,

1071
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: he made some big kicks. He made kicks in Super Bowls.

1072
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: That's all well and good. Sure, I'm pretty sure if

1073
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: you put May made one of the most famous kicks.

1074
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if you put Justin Tucker or Chris

1075
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: Boswall or hair some butcker in the Super.

1076
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: Bowl, they've made some big kicks.

1077
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: They would make the same kicks the Vinetieri made.

1078
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the fact.

1079
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Chris Boswell's never missed a playoff field goal.

1080
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: If Boswell, he's never missed one in the playoffs. Best

1081
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: example ever, let's say Belichick the year Tucker came out,

1082
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: used a seventh round pick on Tucker and he spent

1083
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Speaker 3: that whole time with Brady and the guys. Imagine the

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Speaker 3: heroics he would have put on, you know, in the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You know, to say Well kicker belongs in there, and

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Speaker 1: he's not even in the top twenty five in all

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Speaker 1: time field goal accuracy. I'm sorry, I can't go there.

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Speaker 1: But where does it go from here?

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Speaker 2: Matt?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Like Tucker's at ninety point three six one percent. He's

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Speaker 1: the best of all time in terms of accuracy. Again

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Speaker 1: the number ten kickers, Kay fairbar and he's at eighty

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Speaker 1: six point three eight seven percent. Like, how do you bet? Get?

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Speaker 3: Are we going to see somebody get? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing these guys kick. Boswell's kicked a fifty

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Speaker 1: nine yarder this year, that's what it looks. Look Becker's

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Speaker 1: at fifty eight yarder. I'm like, that has to be

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Speaker 1: his career high. I you know, I'm just I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: in the middle of a game here, I'm not thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, things, sitting to think back about it. No,

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Speaker 1: he had a fifty nine yard or before. Wow, these guys,

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Speaker 1: this is what they do now, Yeah, you wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: have attempted that before.

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Speaker 3: What have you attempted it? So there should be a metric,

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Speaker 3: maybe there is of all of justin Tucker's kicks, what's

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Speaker 3: his average distance? Because I'm sure it's much further than Venetela.

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Speaker 3: It's different than Yeah, I mean Vinetaria. I don't hardly

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Speaker 3: remember him kicking from fifty and out the last the

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Speaker 3: last years old or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the last probably five to six seven eight years

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Speaker 1: of his career. He he dide him kick off.

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Speaker 3: I said, he didn't even kick off, you know, so

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Speaker 3: he didn't have the leg anymore. He was accurate reasonably,

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Speaker 3: but I mean imagine the degree of difficulty is a

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Speaker 3: big thing for the Tuckers and Boswells that are consistently

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Speaker 3: trying the fifty pluses.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now to me, Stephen Goskowski with an eighty six

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Speaker 1: point three four percent career percentage, he's New England.

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Speaker 3: I say he's probably the best patriotsker.

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Speaker 1: Was a better kicker than Vinettieri.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was far more accurate in the same weather,

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Speaker 1: in the same stadium.

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Speaker 3: In the same stadium, and only played for the Pats.

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Speaker 3: And he has his rings as well, and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't belonging in the Hall of Fame either.

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Speaker 3: No, I would put either one of them in. I

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Speaker 3: mean I wouldn't put bas in. I'd put Tucker in. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I meant Tucker. I was second all.

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Speaker 1: Time young ho ku. Yeah, he's I mean king.

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Speaker 3: In doors, and he's a long way from being a

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Yeah. Yeah, So Tucker's the only one

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Speaker 3: I think is an easy one.

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Speaker 1: Matt Gay, who the Rams cut in the or couldn't

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Speaker 1: pay in the offseason. He's third all time.

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Speaker 3: He's great, fourth all time, fourth all time. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: now he goes to a cushy Colts situation. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: ally could be the last fifteen years here or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I'll do the same thing and be one of highest

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Speaker 3: paid kickers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. We're overdue for a break. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale LAWI. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. Kicker Talk, a little

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Speaker 1: kicker talk. Uh, we'll be back with more right after

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Speaker 1: this Black.

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