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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebine, a space where no

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Speaker 1: From the laughs to the lessons, Just remember tough times

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Speaker 2: What's up, y'all?

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Speaker 3: Ischagara Ebine here and I hope all is cute? Now,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode a Pretty Private with Ebine,

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Speaker 3: where storylines become lifelines. In today's episode, I am truly

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Speaker 3: honored and excited to be sitting down with Janice McCullough,

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Speaker 3: the doorda of the late great Bernie meg Now. In

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Speaker 3: part one of our conversation, Janice gives us a real

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Speaker 3: update on them kids that was asking for some milk

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Speaker 3: like watching her father, the legendary Bernie Mac achieved success

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Speaker 3: later in life. We talk about their humble beginnings, the

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Speaker 3: she also shares when she first noticed that something wasn't

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Speaker 3: right with her father's health and how those moments changed

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Speaker 3: everything So y'all, this conversation was so good because not

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Speaker 3: only does it give us a glimpse into the iconic

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Speaker 3: Bernie Max's life as an icon, but also as a father,

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Speaker 3: a husband, and a friend. So get ready because my

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Speaker 3: amazing conversation with Janie starts now. Oh my god, y'all.

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Speaker 3: So I am super excited to have my guests on

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Speaker 3: the show. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Deanise,

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Speaker 3: how you doing, how you feeling? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good, good, good, and Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: How'd you know you're treating.

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Speaker 3: You New Year's treating me all right? You know, lots

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Speaker 3: of started off with a bang, big change. Dropped my

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Speaker 3: so that was came in with a bank like here

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Speaker 3: you go, she's an empty nester. Now, y'all, where are

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Speaker 3: you looking forward to? Like, are you gonna try anything new?

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Speaker 3: Mainly right now, the main thing is I'm looking forward

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Speaker 3: and I was one of those organized moms that had

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Speaker 3: So for me right now, just to be able to

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Speaker 3: is this what this feels like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you're gonna have a good time.

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Speaker 2: Though I do too.

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Speaker 3: I do this is I told her, I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know this is a big change, but I feel

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Speaker 3: like this is gonna be good for both of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because she's your only child, right, my only Yes? Oh

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Speaker 3: so y'all have done in common because you was the

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Speaker 3: only child too, exactly. Yeah, Okay, well listen, Jenise, I

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Speaker 3: Well, I am super grateful to have you on this show.

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Speaker 3: I watched a lot of your interviews. I love your podcast,

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Speaker 3: Bernie's Daughter, I watch your dad's interviews, and obviously old

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Speaker 3: with little Meat. Oh, I love it. How long have

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Speaker 3: But I did receive a lot of clarity, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So what do you think to sit out the most

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like his jokes would land now

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Speaker 2: Because he imagine.

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Speaker 3: And the next day it got blown up into epic proportions.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Janis the people who yelled out, were they white?

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Speaker 2: You already know, you.

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Speaker 3: Know because you know it wasn't us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love asking to raised question when I'm talking

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Speaker 3: because you know that man ain't sexist? Shut up his

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Speaker 3: and I do, yes, I do, right, Okay, So what.

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Speaker 2: Was young Jeni's like growing up in Chicago?

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Speaker 3: So I tell people this all the time because people

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can only imagine from nineteen to up

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Speaker 3: grind years? Because you know your dad was building, but

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00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: he wasn't really yet, like Burnie Mack to all of us.

432
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 3: And I feel like when I watched those years, because

433
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: he actually he didn't really get that much commercial success

434
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: into it as he got older. It was much later

435
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 3: by the time. That's one of the that I tell

436
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: people all the time, especially like when I get lumped

437
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 3: into the oh, you're a NEPO baby, I'm like, am

438
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: I though? Right, I'm wrong? I was. But yeah, like

439
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: by the time the fame came, I was in college.

440
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: You know, there was some there was some stuff happening

441
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: while I was in high school, but the bulk of it,

442
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: like the height of his fame I was wrong when

443
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 3: that happened. I just I remember the struggle, like, I

444
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: absolutely remember the struggle because when my parents first got married,

445
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, for some kids in nineteen seventy seven, they

446
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: were doing all right because my great grandfather got my job,

447
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 3: my dad a job at General Motors, and then he

448
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: still had some of the insurance money from my paternal

449
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 3: grandmother's death. So nineteen seventy seven to nineteen year old kids,

450
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: you know, get there, right, yeah, they're like, oh right,

451
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: we got at a park, we got a car, we

452
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: were doing it fancy exactly, and then right before I

453
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: entered kindergarten, he got laid off. And that's when it

454
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: was like, what happened? What is this? Like I remember

455
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 3: the car got repossessed, but you know, I'm I'm five,

456
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just know we come out and

457
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: the car is gone, and I'm like, somebody stole our car, right,

458
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: stole our car. And they're just like, yeah, right, dog

459
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: one shame and we were carless for you know years

460
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: after that. I'm like, can you believe we had a

461
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: car and somebody stole it? We had a car since like,

462
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: and we just we struggled. We lost the apartment. That's

463
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: when we had to, you know, live with my maternal grandparents, no,

464
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean my paternal great grandparents for a while, and

465
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: that's when we started we moved a lot. Like I

466
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: remember being that kid that I used to feel so

467
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: bad because all my friends had one house, you know.

468
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: And that's when we had a little phone book. She

469
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: wrote everybody's name and the number down in your little

470
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: phone book, and I would always have to come to

471
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: my friends like, that's not my address and phone number anymore, y'all.

472
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: This is my new address and phone number. And it

473
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: went that way for pretty much the rest of them

474
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: my childhood, and I just remember.

475
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: One.

476
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: There are two pivotal moments that I remember that made

477
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: me feel like money is I knew the gravity of

478
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: what not having money held. One is my mom. We

479
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: were at my maternal grandmother's house and my mom was

480
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: with her mom and sisters, and she was really upset

481
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: because we didn't have any money, and I remember she

482
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: broke down crying, like I mean, just full on. She's like, God,

483
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what did I do, Like why are

484
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: we going through this? Why is this our life? And

485
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: I remember just seeing my mom crying and one of

486
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: my aunts was like, oh, baby, don't worry. Your mom

487
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: just having a nervous break now real quick. She'd be

488
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: all right, we.

489
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: Just broke right now, baby, Like.

490
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: That's that's it.

491
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: And I and quiet has kept like my mom's you know,

492
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: family wasn't really necessarily more supportive of my dad trying

493
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 4: to be like I tell people.

494
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: You can tell people today you want to be a comedian, Yes, exactly.

495
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: Back then you tell somebody you want to be a

496
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: comedian and folks are looking at you like if you

497
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: don't get you.

498
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: And that's why his story hits different.

499
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know it's completely different. Back then. Sure

500
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: there were comedians, but that was some far off stuff

501
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: like that was if you don't get your black ass

502
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: up and go get a job, right, So yeah, it

503
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 3: was that. And then the second moment, I remember, we

504
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: had gotten an apartment on eighty second in Peoria, which

505
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: is on the south side of Chicago, and they, I

506
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: guess they did some like Renaiscenter type stuff to get

507
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: the furniture and a throwback. Yeah, and my dad at

508
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: that time he was working at Docs, which was a

509
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: fast food restaurant sold fish and stuff, and he was

510
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: the manager of the restaurant and my mom was a nurse.

511
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: They were so far behind that there was a garnishment

512
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: order put in. It went to my dad first because

513
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: he was the main, you know, loan and my mom

514
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: was just the co signer. But because he was the manager,

515
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: he threw it away. So okay, right, so they can't

516
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: get his paycheck. They get my mama's paycheck. So she

517
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: comes home, do you my check get And I hear

518
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 3: them going back and forth arguing, so I'm like, I

519
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm like nine, I'm like eight or nine.

520
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: I'm like this garnish man. So I go, you know,

521
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: and this is before the age of Google kids. We

522
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: could not Google. I had to tag, you know, Encyclopedia

523
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Britannica set with the dictionary. I was like, let me

524
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: look up a garnishment and I'm like, oh, well, that's

525
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: what that means. So that's like I knew. Those were

526
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 3: the two moments that I remember, like understanding that money

527
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: is a big we got a problem with money. We

528
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: ain't got mine, Yeah, a big problem. And these are

529
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: these are issues. And my dad was the type he

530
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: didn't and I've inherited this from him, so I understand

531
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: it now on this level so much more than I

532
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: did as a kid. He carried a lot of stuff

533
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: internally and didn't let you see it. So if you

534
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: looked at him, you operated under the guys of oh

535
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: he's fine, okay, yeah, or he doesn't he's not taking

536
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: this that serious.

537
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: Like.

538
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: And I remember they were arguing and my mom was like,

539
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do? Like bnar, we gotta pay this,

540
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: And I remember him just calmly saying, Ronda, we ain't

541
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: got it. So what you want us to do ain't

542
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: nothing we can do, right, And that's really what And

543
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: that's what he said. He said, there's nothing we can't do,

544
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: and that's pretty much where he was. And he never

545
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: he never wavered from I know, this is what it

546
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: looks like right now, but it's going to be this,

547
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: you know. And my mom I always tell people my

548
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: dad was the dreamer. My mom is the realist. My

549
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: mom was like, Negro, I ain't got time to hear

550
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: about what well we're gonna be and here and now

551
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: we are not.

552
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: I know she was stressed with him.

553
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: Man, oh absolute, you know, and again it's and this

554
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: is this is the only reason why I keep saying

555
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: to people like, keep in mind, this is not a

556
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: shared dream, This is not a yes, this is you, Like,

557
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm sacrificing all of this while you go out there playing,

558
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: telling jokes and crack right, bruh, what are you doing? Like,

559
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: I get it, you know, I understand, like I said,

560
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 3: now that I'm grown, I fully get it. Yeah, And

561
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: so because she was at home raising me to her,

562
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: it looks like you out there having fun. Right. No

563
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: matter how much he's explained you hear all the time

564
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: from comedians, being on the road is not glamorous, even

565
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: being in the comedy clubs, you know, honing your crab,

566
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: it's not glamorous. But to the people who are there,

567
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: you know, on the sidelines, they can't see. All she

568
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: know is you came home from work, you ate, you showered,

569
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: you left about nine o'clock, you ain't come back till two, three,

570
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: four in the morning. You look like you've been having

571
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: a grand old time, right, But like and he's like, no,

572
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: that's not what it is. So there was a lot

573
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: of friction there because you know they're not on the

574
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: same page. And if you've watched interviews with my mom,

575
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: you have heard her say well, I just finally said no,

576
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: you go ahead and do it, because if he didn't

577
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: make it, I didn't want him looking at me and saying, yeah,

578
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: she has said that. So it was those early years

579
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: were yeah. And now it makes sense because I did

580
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: see a clip where I think he won like three

581
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: thousand dollars.

582
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: And your mom was going in baby Jesus, the way she.

583
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: Was shouting it was number one. He won first place

584
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: yea of the contents. And that was, like I said,

585
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: when when I tell you, my dad to me is

586
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: like the king of speaking life over himself. There's never

587
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: been a time that I can remember that he wasn't

588
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna this is what's gonna happen, Like it's

589
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: there was never a a it's not gonna happen. If

590
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: he had a thought that it might not happen, he

591
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: kept that to himself.

592
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he never it always sure.

593
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: He was always like this is what I'm gonna do.

594
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be so. And I remember, like they're you know,

595
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: going through who you know, they they say third place

596
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: and I remember they ain't that's the third place. And

597
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: then they go run her up and it's like, we

598
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: ain't got no choice but to be him, and they

599
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: said first place burning Mack and we but and my

600
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: mom is just she was screaming, see my damnstage, like

601
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: calm down, girl, okay, and be like that's my wife

602
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: and she is still Yeah, but I feel like she

603
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: needed that though, like that was a win for her

604
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah. Yeah, And I remember like when we

605
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: were backstage taking pictures with the check, I remember thinking, wow,

606
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: three thousand, we're rich now years girl, but you listen,

607
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: three thousand dollars was a lot of money. Yes, like

608
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: back then, you know, we still went back to our

609
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: We went in a two bedroom apartment by then. But yeah,

610
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: it's come on. Yeah. But the funny thing is, and

611
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: this is what I tell people all the time, in

612
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: his career, there were always these I call him Stairstep

613
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: moments because something would happen and it was like, this

614
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: is the biggest, greatest thing that's ever happened. And it

615
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: wasn't like it was an overnight change. So that was

616
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety. Nothing really changed just yet, like we still,

617
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: you know, we're in our apartment and we actually got

618
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: evicted out of that apartment and found out in a

619
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 3: one bedroom on one hundred first, Keen like, yeah, it

620
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: didn't change right away. So then you know that leads

621
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: to now Russell Simmons and Bob Sumner are showcasing for

622
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: this new show called Deaf Comedy Jam that's going to

623
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: be coming on and they you know, he passes through

624
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: the auditions for that, he gets on death Jam. He

625
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: does the first season, does pretty good, does well enough

626
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: that they bring him back for the second season, and

627
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 3: that's the let me scatter you mother, that's that right,

628
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: and that's like, but what people didn't understand back then,

629
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: Death Jam didn't pay, so that was that we're still

630
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: in our our one bedroom apartment yeah of Chicago, Like

631
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: we're still there at that So that's that. But then

632
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: def Jam makes Martin's career blow up. So Martin and

633
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: dev Jam gets so big. Not only are they now

634
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: doing the TV show, they're doing a tour. So with

635
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: Martin leaving the show and going somewhere else, they're like, well,

636
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: we need a host for the tour. So they asked

637
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: my dad, Hey, why don't you host the tour? So

638
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: he starts hosting the dev Jam Yes, okay, So that's

639
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: when it started, like the momentum started to build and

640
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 3: That's when it was. You know, up until that point

641
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: when he was gone, he was gone locally in the city,

642
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: you know, just at nightclubs and you know, maybe a

643
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: show out of town here or there. The dev Jam

644
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: tour was when it was like, no, he's gone, and

645
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: that was get a new normal that I don't think

646
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: any of us were prepared for because what wound up

647
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: happening is well, now me and my mom are in

648
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: a groove because you're gone, like four four days, four

649
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: or five days. Mem I, right, did you come? You

650
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: come back? And right in order? Sory like like you're

651
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: on nowhere right, and he's upset like this, my I'm

652
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 3: on the road working for.

653
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: And this is how I get you miss me.

654
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: And it's not that we didn't miss him, but it's like,

655
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: this is your own routine exactly. And I don't think

656
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: people realize, like you can have a dream, but it's

657
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 3: gonna cost you something. Yeah, And I get a lot

658
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: people are like, thank you so much for sharing your dead,

659
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: thank you so much for sacrificing. And I'm like, you

660
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: can't tell me that I'm the kid. You can tell

661
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: Ronda that because there are things Ronda willingly sacrificed as

662
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: his spouse. But I'm like, but I was the kid.

663
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: I was the sacrifice. Yeah, sacrifice time, you know, and

664
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: I understand why. I completely understand why and get the

665
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: reason behind it. But yeah, there's a sacrifice on that

666
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: to where by the time he does get it, where

667
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: he's you know, oh, we ain't got to worry about

668
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: money no more. I can sit down and I can

669
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: do this. I'm grown and getting married. And he looking

670
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: at me like, what the hell you mean? You get right?

671
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: You just ate yesterday.

672
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: So much time has passed, yes.

673
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: And so you bumped heads a lot during that time because,

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: like I said, I understand it today from his perspective,

675
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: but back then I was like, dude, what are you

676
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: going through? But that's that was him. He I'm missing

677
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: so much, and by the time I get home, I'm like, hey,

678
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: what's happening? And life is passing me by on this front.

679
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: And then for him, it feels like like I said,

680
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: for him, it felt like it was thankless because a

681
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: lot of times he would say, y'all don't understand what

682
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: I go through. Y'all don't understand, and we're looking at

683
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: him like, well, sir, nobody told you the one that

684
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: told us you was gonna famous. Right, we did tell

685
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: you go out there and do this, you know, and

686
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: everything I'm doing i'm doing for you all.

687
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: White, but it's a little bit for you as well, right, like.

688
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: Don't try to act like this same you, you know.

689
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a lot of It was a

690
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: lot of that. I'm just curious, like, while you're watching

691
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: him build his career and you see what it took

692
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: for him to get to a certain point at a

693
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: later age, how did that shape how you define success

694
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: for your own career Because I know you worked in nonprofit.

695
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: I know you was his assistant, and if I'm not mistaken,

696
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 3: he was also a therapist, right, are you still our therapist? Well?

697
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: I never got licensed, okay, so yeah. But for me,

698
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: I never had grand visions like my dad. Success to

699
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: me wasn't being seen and known and doing that. To me,

700
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: success was always just about finding something that I loved

701
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: doing and doing that and hopefully making a decent living

702
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: at it. Like it it. Really. I never was that person.

703
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: I was great a school. I was the student that

704
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: everybody was like, oh, yeah, she's gonna be somebody. But

705
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: I never was like, yes, all right. That was never

706
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: my thing, Like for me it was. I was always

707
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: more like I just want to be loved, Like, let's

708
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: let's live a Barnie life.

709
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: I love you, you know, I interview him.

710
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see you the link because Barnie was black,

711
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, shout out today. Yeah, yes, Like that

712
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: was always my vision of success. Can we have harmony

713
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: in our relationships and stuff? So for me watching my dad.

714
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: That was good.

715
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: Can we have harmony? Yeah? Yeah, because I didn't see

716
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: I didn't see a lot of that. What I saw

717
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: growing up were a lot of adults who I'm sure

718
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: loved each other, but the harmony was always off. Like

719
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: even within my parents' marriage, the harmony was always off.

720
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 3: You got two people who have two different visions of

721
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: what life is, and somebody's sacrificing, then somebody's like man

722
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: and this person, and it just can we all can

723
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: we come together? Like we all want the same thing, right,

724
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: I want to love you, you want to love me. Let's

725
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: do So that was always my thing. But for me

726
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: watching my dad it did give me the sense that

727
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: nothing's impossible, like watching having a front row seat to

728
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: watching my dad go from people going look at this

729
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: black dude he talking about he funny, okay to where

730
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: people are like, oh my god, he's the Oh you're

731
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: to seeing that happen to watching him even just I

732
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: used to watch with baited breath when he would get

733
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: on stage because that was a thing I didn't have.

734
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: My dad had the confidence in his career. He wished

735
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: you would tell him he wasn't funny. I don't say

736
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: it there. I dare you to tay once we get

737
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: on this stage and make your butt laugh off for

738
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: forty minutes, forty five minutes, and I watch me do it,

739
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: and so oh when I remember, like whenever they would call,

740
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: you know, ladies and gentlemen come to the stage, right

741
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: you mad and he get on stage, I'd be watching

742
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: the audience like, oh okay, because I'm scared and because

743
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: I can only think I don't have the guts to

744
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: try to get on laugh. You know, even now when

745
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, you should do comedy new No,

746
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: I should not.

747
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: You are mad funny though, because I was watching your

748
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: videos and stuff.

749
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: But okay, I'm gonna say this, And this is the

750
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 3: thing my dad used to tell people all the time

751
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: when they would go man I'm funny. How do I

752
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: become a comedian? There's a huge difference between me sitting

753
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: around and saying something that makes you laugh. You know,

754
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: we're in a conversation, we're having to say or do something,

755
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: versus me getting on a stage. Yeah, and now the

756
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: only goal, My only objective is to make you laugh.

757
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: There's an art form to comedy. I don't have that.

758
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: And then I'm too cerebral and analytical. If a joke

759
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: doesn't land, I don't know how to move on and

760
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: I'm anna stop mid routine. Okay, So I see that

761
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: didn't work for y'all. Could you tell me why? Right?

762
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: Like so right in my head, I thought it was

763
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: gonna be little? So what didn't land for you? Right now?

764
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 4: Hold on?

765
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: Let me give my notes?

766
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: Oul?

767
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: What didn't? And y'all would be like, man, what are

768
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: you doing faking us? Laugh? I ain't here for your surveys?

769
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 3: Like the girl boot me so hard? Like yeah, and

770
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: I still I'd be like, okay, I see y'all boring?

771
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: Now what made y'all want to boo me? Right? Next? Right?

772
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't have the gift to get on stage and

773
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: do that. I can, you know, talk and do speaking

774
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: and hosting and just happen to say something funny enough

775
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: to carry it through. But mm hmmm, five ten, fifteen

776
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: minutes of I'm none, I'm supposed to tell the story

777
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: and make you laugh.

778
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, m m facts fag.

779
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: So at what point did you begin to sense that

780
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: something was going on with your father's health? Oh? I

781
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: always knew. So he got diagnosed with sarchadosis when I

782
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: was like six. I think it was about six years

783
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: old when he was diagnosed with sorry coodosis. And unfortunately

784
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: it back then, I mean kind of same as now.

785
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: If you talk to people who have been diagnosed, they

786
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: don't know a whole lot about it. So his doctor

787
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: basically was like, well, this is pretty much your only symptom,

788
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: which was he was like shorter breath, more short of

789
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: breath when he was you know, playing basketball or boxing

790
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: or whatever. They were like, just go ahead and live

791
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: your life then, and so that was that. So that

792
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: was eighty six, and then I want to say, like

793
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: eighty nine, eighty nine or ninety I think it was

794
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: eighty nine he got diagnosed with hypertension, and then ninety

795
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: nine got diagnosed with diabetes. So I've always actually when

796
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: he got diagnosed with diabetes. That was the like whoa,

797
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: because I was in college by then, and I remember

798
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: my dad was a chainsmoker up until like ninety six breath.

799
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh girl, yeah, first it was cooling, my cool miles.

800
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: Then he went to the brands, Then he went to Salem's,

801
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: then went to Newport Newports. Baby, yeah, that was he

802
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: was a chainsmoker. And what happened while he stopped? And

803
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: we used to get on him for years about quitting,

804
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: and he would lie and say he quit, and we'd

805
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: find the cigarettes, you know. And my freshman year in college,

806
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: my mom lost like eighty six eighty seven pounds and

807
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: he came home one day and looked and he quit

808
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: cold turkey. He said, hell no, he said, all right,

809
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: I ain't about to kill over and die. You move

810
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: another man in my house, spend all my money on

811
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: the head, and he quit smoking like just like that.

812
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: And for me, like my mom kind of I got

813
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: a credit my mom with this. She like made us

814
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: pay attention to sorry health. More so, when she lost

815
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: all that weight, she joined like a kickboxing class. She

816
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: had started exercising.

817
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh she was active.

818
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So my sophomore year, I brought my roommate

819
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: home for Thanksgiving and my mom was like, once your girls,

820
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: come with me to my Steper Ruby's class. And we're like,

821
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean, all right, I guess we got nothing to do.

822
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: So we put on our little bike and shorts broad top, like,

823
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: all right, let's go ahead. Five minutes into the class,

824
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: we're in the back in the corner, and I remember

825
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: clear as day, the instructor goes for all advanced moves,

826
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: watch Ronda, and my mom is gone, man, talk about

827
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: stay hold on. My mom about to be forty, and

828
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: she just ran circles around me. I said, absolutely not

829
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: not gonna be me. So I went back to school

830
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: and I was like, I need to join the gym,

831
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: but you know, they had me as broke college students,

832
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: so I couldn't afford the gym. So then I was like, well,

833
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: what's the why? Looking like I couldn't afford the why?

834
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: So I was like, what's Walmart? Looking like? I went

835
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: about a bunch of videotapes, a bunch of exercise tapes,

836
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: and I would work out. I would go to class

837
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: and come back to my room and work out in class.

838
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: And I did that from ninety six up until like

839
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: and since then I've always stayed active. So during that time,

840
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: I remember like I started seeing results and I got

841
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: vain and was like, ooh, I want arms like Angela Bassets.

842
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 3: So I'm really about to stop.

843
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: Definitely some arms.

844
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I was like, yeah, I was on a

845
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 3: mission to get my arms like Angela Bassett. So that's

846
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: ninety nine. My dad got diagnosed with diabetes, and after

847
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: that that's when I was like, Okay, yeah, I really

848
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: want arms like Angela Bassett. But my dad got sary

849
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: kradsis hypertension diabetes and hypertension and diabetes runs in our family,

850
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: and for some reason, the paternal genes seemed real strong

851
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 3: in me. So I'm gonna have to do this less

852
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: for vanity and more to keep my health up because

853
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: I'd be John Brown if I wind up like them.

854
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: So it's I've always been very acutely aware of my

855
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 3: dad's health. Again, if my dad was worried, he never

856
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: vocalized it. He always had that don't nothing bother me,

857
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: I bother it, And that's he said all the time.

858
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 3: Because when he got diagnosed with diabetes, I remember came

859
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 3: home for the summer in ninety nine, my aunt had

860
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: a party in her house, so most of us were

861
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: already at the party. My dad came later and he

862
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: got out of the limousine and he was about twenty

863
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: twenty five pounds lighter, like it was visible, like my

864
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: dad see was never He's never a big guy, like

865
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: I mean, tall and everything, but never like right, wait

866
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: why And I'm looking at him like and I knew

867
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: better than to say it to him. I went to

868
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: my mom. I still was a man box. Yeah, I

869
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: tell people no one thing about him. He was vain.

870
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: You could not tell him he didn't look good. You

871
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: want to fight, tell him some you know, you really

872
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: don't look that great, baby, You get ready to fight, right,

873
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: get ready to fight right. So I knew better than

874
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: to say something to him. So I went to my

875
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: mom and I was like, what's wrong with my dad?

876
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: Something's not like I could just see it. And she

877
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: was like, don't say anything to him, and I'm like,

878
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: I know better, That's why I'm asking you what's wrong

879
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: with him? And she said, he has an appointment on Monday.

880
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna go. And that's when he got diagnosed with

881
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: diabetes HM. So it was always there. So by the

882
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: end when he started getting hospitalized and you know, the

883
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: public started becoming aware. It wasn't that it was a

884
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: sudden onset. This was just years of it. And what

885
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 3: happened is he did the very first time he was hospitalized.

886
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: You all didn't know about it. The public didn't know

887
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 3: he had pneumonia, and he got taken to the hospital.

888
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: That was we were able to keep that quiet. It

889
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: was the second time he got pneumonia again, like I

890
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: can't remember. It wasn't there much later after the first time.

891
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: And so for him, he hated being on pregnanzone cause

892
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: he I think for him getting diagnosed with diabetes, I

893
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: think that hit too close to home because my great

894
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: grandmother was a diabetic and she wound up having her

895
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: leg amputated and she died shortly after her leg was amputated.

896
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: So I think for him that that dia coom. Yeah,

897
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: that diagnosis was triggering, and he was kind of he

898
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: was in denial about that diagnosis for a long time,

899
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: Like he would swear up and down, I didn't even

900
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: have no symptoms, and my mother was like, that's a lie.

901
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: He had whors, he had excessive urination, he had like

902
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: she was listening to all the symptoms and he no,

903
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: I mean I had that, but I have all of it.

904
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, you don't have to

905
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: have all of.

906
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: The symptoms, So you still had some symptoms.

907
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: You have it, sir. Yeah. So he went into this

908
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: this thing where he was like, it's the pregno zone.

909
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: Pregnano zone is why I got diat diabetes because prolonged

910
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: use of pregnant zone can lead to diabetes. But I'm like,

911
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: you you have a family history of it, so it

912
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: you know. So in his mind he was like, oh,

913
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get off pregnant zone because pregnanzone is the

914
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: reason for this, and if I get off pregnan zone,

915
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: I'll be fine. And so that's when things started taking

916
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: a nose died because for whatever reason, cortico steroids seem

917
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: to be the best treatment to keep sarcodosa symptoms, you know,

918
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: in check. So the next thing that his doctors gave

919
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: they were all immune suppressors. And I've said this, I'll

920
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: keep saying it. I don't think for someone who has

921
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: an autoimmune disease, I don't think an immune suppression is

922
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: the best course of action to give them. So the

923
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: first one he tried was metho trek say. He had

924
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: a very bad reaction to that. So that was the

925
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: hospitalization that everybody heard about. That was like, oh my gosh,

926
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: Brinny Max in the hospital, what's wrong?

927
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: What's going on?

928
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, that was that one. So they said, okay,

929
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: well metho trek say doesn't work. Let's go with plaque

930
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: on neil. Plaqu onil is another immune suppressant, did the

931
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: same thing, had a toxic reaction to that. So that's

932
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: when he got hospitalized again. So that's when like the

933
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: public is looking like.

934
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: What he's alive?

935
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: Is he knocking on death doorway? And you know, And

936
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: so behind the scenes, me and my mom are arguing

937
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: with him like would you please just go back on

938
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: pregnant zone please? And he know, I don't want to

939
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: be on pregna zone. It's gonna have me, you know,

940
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: but it's what he needed. So he's still hard headed

941
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: as he is. He says no. So they say, okay,

942
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 3: well plack on neil didn't work. Let's go with imiran

943
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: imron is another immune suppressant. He has, the same thing.

944
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: Happened this time he gets high hospitalized because by that

945
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: point the show. They shut everything down because he's not

946
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: well enough to come back. And I think that did

947
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: something for him too, because it originally started off where

948
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: you know, the studio heads and everybody's concerned like is

949
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: he okay? And then it goes to well when is

950
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: he getting back? This is like this is costing his money?

951
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: When are we doing this? And he was filming the show. Yeah,

952
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: he was filming the show in Ocean's twelve at the

953
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: same time. And I'll never forget Jerry Wintrob, who was

954
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: the producer of all the Oceans movies, call him in

955
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: the hospital and say, hey, yeah, listen, I know, we

956
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: know you're in the hospital and whatnot, but we really

957
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: need to do this scene. So why don't I just

958
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: send a car to you and you just come do

959
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: your scene? Do you see we have a car take

960
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: you right back to the hospital. Yo. That is so crazy,

961
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: like crazy, because what happens if he was a diet

962
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: at the set, so that's you know, and his right

963
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: and his manager at the time is like, well, listen,

964
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 3: you know they keep calling me, and I was like, yeah,

965
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: I said, so if he pull a red Fox and

966
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: die on set, facts, what y'all gonna do, because then

967
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: there's no show, Like, really, these people really don't care

968
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: about us, man, And that was to me, that's when

969
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: I saw a shift because up until that point, you know,

970
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: especially by that point, he's got the show. Everything centers

971
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 3: around you. You are the star of the show. Because

972
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: we used to have to tell him when he came home,

973
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: this ain't the set, ain't nobody. But like, because he

974
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: had gotten to a point.

975
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: Where he would whistle like he used to live in

976
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: a certain lifestyle.

977
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Something.

978
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: You hear him. And my mother was like, I noticed,

979
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: man is not whistling for me? What isa? She said, Man, okay,

980
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: Ronda doesn't really say hers was due like if he

981
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: got on her nerves, dude, please like that that was hers?

982
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I know, he not whistling for me.

983
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: So you could see like he had reached a point

984
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: where he's like, yeah he was himself. Yeah, and that happened,

985
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: and you can see the light kind of go out,

986
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: like these mofols really do not care about Okay, back,

987
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: so he said, I tell you what. Yeah, So he said,

988
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: I tell you what I'm gonna do. It's shut down

989
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 3: and definitely and I'm going home. So he came home

990
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: and like I said, that's when he did the imron,

991
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 3: but he got hospitalized because he had a toxic reaction

992
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: to that. This time he's at home in Northwestern and

993
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 3: his pomonologists in the doctor Mike's who that was my girl.

994
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: She was like, listen, I'm not playing with you. This

995
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: is not Hollywood. I'm not about to do what you want.

996
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: You don't like pretnan Zone, but pregnant Zone is what works.

997
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: You're getting on pregnant Zone and he was trying to

998
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: fight it, and she was like no, because right now

999
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: we have to do what work. So he got back

1000
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: on pregnan Zone. So I think that was like what

1001
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 3: season three? I think you can see yeah, like the

1002
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: how because he hadn't been seasons one and two he

1003
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: was on pregno Zone, but he had been on it

1004
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: so long you couldn't see it because he stopped and

1005
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: had to get you can see like the moon face

1006
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 3: and like it sounded like his words were slurred because

1007
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: his mouth was so you know, puppy yeah, and he

1008
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 3: that's what he didn't like. And I'm like, but if

1009
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: you had stayed on pregno.

1010
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: Zone all this time, nothing would have happened.

1011
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: And he never quite let go of not being on

1012
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: pregnan zone. And even during that time, like his lung

1013
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: skins had shown the sarcoidosis was in remission in his lungs,

1014
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: but it had caused so much scarring that his lung capacity.

1015
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: They told him it really he was really operating with

1016
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: the capacity of one lung, and they had let him know,

1017
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: not right now, but at some point we're gonna have

1018
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: to have a discussion about a lung transplant because your

1019
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: lungs aren't gonna make it longer than that. Yeah, And

1020
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: so that was that. And once we get to two

1021
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, like he remained on oxygen for the

1022
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 3: rest of his for the remainder years because, like I said,

1023
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: he just didn't have it, you know, at that point,

1024
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: he still never let go of not wanting to be

1025
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: on pregnant zone. So the summer of two thousand and

1026
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: he was stubborn, And that stubborn is part of why

1027
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: I was in denial that final hospitalization. I was like

1028
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: that old man that bear ain't going nowhere, like yeah here.

1029
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what led to his demise. The

1030
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: summer of two thousand and eight, we had worked on

1031
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: soul men we had shot his pilot for his new show,

1032
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: tensively titles starting under and everything was on lock. He goes, well,

1033
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give me a new doctor and not have

1034
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: this doctor take me off pregnant zone. Wow. This doctor

1035
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: said as well, we're gonna put you on Humera. Now,

1036
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 3: Humera was supposed to be a once a month injection,

1037
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: but this doctor goes, well, to really get into your system,

1038
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: will be aggressive with it and give you once a

1039
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: week injections. Wow, Humera is an immune suppressant, so you're

1040
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: having the same thing. So we're looking at him. He's sluggish,

1041
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: he's looking and we're like, are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine,

1042
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: And we're like, you think you need to go to

1043
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: the doctor. No, I got an appointment with doctor Mike's

1044
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: next week. Next week, I'll just go then. Well, by

1045
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: the time he gets to his appointment with doctor Mike's,

1046
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 3: he has pneumonia again, and doctor Mike's south sad. Yeah,

1047
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: like what I never I don't tell a lot of

1048
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: people this. I was pissed. Yeah, that's final when he

1049
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: got you. Yeah, yeah, final time that he got pissed.

1050
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean he got hospitalized. I was pissed. I was like,

1051
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: you did this, Yeah, you did this.

1052
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: But how do you make with that?

1053
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: Because I when I'm listening to your story and stuff,

1054
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, like I wonder if he would have

1055
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: still been here. And that's when I when people, because

1056
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: I saw Mike Epps just did Club Shah and he

1057
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: said something about he was on set with my dad

1058
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: during soul Men and my dad was dying during so Men,

1059
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, he wasn't. He was fine,

1060
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, not saying he had

1061
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: those you know, he the same thing, but he was fine.

1062
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: He was a good health, like as far as as

1063
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: best as his health could be given off of his think.

1064
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: He was fine during so Men, right, I mean if

1065
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: he could do a movie, he was fine.

1066
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he had to have physicals after that point,

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Speaker 3: you know, to be able, because that's how he lost

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Speaker 3: the role. And what was that movie with John Travolta.

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Speaker 3: Was it Old Old Wild Wild Hogs? Yeah, the Martin

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: Lawrence role. He was My dad was in that and

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: he had passed the physical for it and everything, but

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00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: the studio was like, well can he take another physical?

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Speaker 3: And he got mad and was like man, listen, and

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Speaker 3: I did everything y'all wanted me to do. Yeah, so

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: he told them, and then they wanted him to pay

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Speaker 3: like a what a one or two million dollar policy

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Speaker 3: and he was like, I ain't doing all of that,

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Speaker 3: so he dropped.

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Speaker 2: They really don't care.

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00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: They don't get that money by any means necessary, right,

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: They want to make sure are you gonna cost us money?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, so that's final. Hospital is say, oh,

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Speaker 3: I was when I tell you, I was heated. I

1084
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: was pissed because to me, it was unnecessary. You had

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 3: just done what you needed to do, which will stay

1086
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: on the pregnant The pregnant zone. The pregnant zone was

1087
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: only bothering you mentally. Mentally, you just didn't like I

1088
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: don't like that I have to take pregnant zone. That

1089
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: was really it. It wasn't causing any adverse reactions like that.

1090
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: So doctor Mikes tells him, hey, you've got pneumonia. We

1091
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: need to hospitalize you. But they didn't have any beds.

1092
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 3: She was like, sit tight, let me clear a room

1093
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: for you. He goes, nah, I'm gonna go and run

1094
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: some Errands'm gonna go to the gun range. I'm gonna

1095
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: get my nails done and stuff. I'm gonna do all

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: this other stuff. So he leaves. So by the time

1097
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: he gets back to the hospital, he's in scepsis. Now

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00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: that's how far his body is the teary rate.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I can only imagine how much pain he

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00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: was in.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, It's like, I don't know, It's like I

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00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: kind of felt like he knew something was coming, you know.

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: I say this all the time to people. My dad

1104
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: always said to He told all of us he was

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: not gonna live to be an old man. He always

1106
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: said it. He didn't believe he was gonna live to

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: see his fiftieth birthday. And now, in hindsight, I remember

1108
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: on his fiftieth birthday, I went over to my parents'

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00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: house and I was like, hi, old man, you were wrong.

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00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: You made it. You're fifty, And he looked at me

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00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: and just went yeah, m And I think about that, like,

1112
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: I wonder if he knew, because even I and two

1113
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, So in May of two thousand and eight,

1114
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: we shot the pilot for his TV show that was

1115
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Speaker 3: gonna be on Fox, and I had a moment. I

1116
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: remember walking into his dressing room and he was sitting

1117
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: on the couch and there was a bunch of people

1118
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: talking to him, and I remember looking at him and

1119
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: I just had this voice go, You're never gonna do

1120
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: this again. And I remember looking at him and thinking,

1121
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: this isn't happening again. Now. I didn't think that meant

1122
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: he was gonna die. Right in my mind. I just thought,

1123
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: like I thought, maybe the show wasn't gonna get picked up.

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01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: He's lost, you know, he's not enamored with his career anymore.

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Speaker 3: I had my daughter. He loved being a grandfather and

1126
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: being home with her. I was like, he's gonna say,

1127
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this.

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Speaker 2: No, miss slow down.

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, that's what's gonna happen. I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it meant he was about to die.

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Speaker 3: This concludes part one of this week's episode. Part two

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Speaker 3: is dropping next week. But if you have any comments, questions,

1133
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: or concerns you just want to say, hey, go hey,

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 3: please make sure to email me at hello at thepsgpodcast

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Speaker 3: dot com. Y'all. I hope y'all enjoy part one. I

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Speaker 3: really really really can't wait for you all to hear

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Speaker 3: part two. It's very emotional but it was just such

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Speaker 3: a beautiful conversation.

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Speaker 2: So until next time, everyone later.

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