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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bitten in my case underwear listening to podcast, you

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Okay, we're outside of Daniel, Wyoming. You

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Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. Earlier, Um, I had looked

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Speaker 1: at I was looking at this, uh, a gripping grin

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Speaker 1: picture where a dude had shot a big orange sheet

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Speaker 1: and it had collar, had a tracking collar on it,

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Speaker 1: and I got to talking about how there's no way

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Speaker 1: their untouched nous, the idea they haven't been touched, right,

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Speaker 1: they're wild? And that one to get one they had

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Speaker 1: was wearing like a collar. I'd be like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: but someone was messing with them, probably not far from here.

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Speaker 1: Jana has pointed out, tell tell what you pointed out

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Speaker 1: about ducks. I didn't point that out about ducks, but

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Speaker 1: I thought you did the bands on ducks. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: cool for dudes to wear the necklace, right. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: that's Chris Gil. Uh you were born in Grand Rapids.

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Speaker 1: Chris Gill, who's never joined us before. It was born

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Speaker 1: in Grand Rapids, where I went to regular College where

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Speaker 1: I went to the end of regular college. Where'd you

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Speaker 1: go to college? Fair State University? Big rapids up there.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about you know about chippa chipa hay Marsh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh really yeah. We used to catch muskrats and beaver

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Speaker 1: and hay marsh. I see, I didn't like dinker northern

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Speaker 1: pike in a canoe in hay Marsh, but I like

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere better. We'd hit it on in the X

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Speaker 1: through the ice and we looked for Morrell's up there

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Speaker 1: and didn't find them. But I had this gal. I

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Speaker 1: was kind of dating a little bit who was Bosnian,

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Speaker 1: and we're out looking for Morrel's and she found a

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Speaker 1: deer fahn. Really, I mean this thing looked like it

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Speaker 1: had just fallen out of a dope. Slimy no but

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Speaker 1: fresh son. You know, I was saying, man, there's no

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Speaker 1: way in hell I'd ever shoot animal wearing a collar?

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Speaker 1: Was he? Are you sure it was you? The point

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Speaker 1: I'm not. You know, someone pointed out, well, why is

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Speaker 1: it good or fun or cool to shoot to get

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Speaker 1: a duck with a band. It's I can't explain it,

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Speaker 1: just is. I would like a duck with a band

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Speaker 1: that seems mysterious to me, not just that it invites

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Speaker 1: mystery because you're gonna find out information about it and

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Speaker 1: it's probably was banded hundreds if not, you know, potentially

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Speaker 1: thousands of miles away. That's exciting. Elk or a deer

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Speaker 1: wearing a big collar, I don't know, man, There's no

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Speaker 1: time you go elk and you're gonna like throw the collar,

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Speaker 1: you like, strap it on your backpack or put it

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Speaker 1: into somebothing like, oh dude, you got that one with

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Speaker 1: the guys with your lanyards and the bands, everybody puts

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Speaker 1: on your lanyards. That's what I'm saying, because duck bands

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Speaker 1: magazines where you see a fella could be a woman.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're the thing wearing a big like those

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Speaker 1: they've been making mountain dew? Does it speak to Initially

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that I've taken possession of it.

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Speaker 1: Then then then that it was like this thing that

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Speaker 1: There might be cases where people want the collars back.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like this is like something that happens.

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Speaker 1: kind of I just add one collar story here. I

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I was like, well that was awesome to

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Speaker 1: on along a proposed highway route in Alaska where they're

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Speaker 1: trying to punch They've been trying to punch in the

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Speaker 1: road for a long time. There's a lot resistance to

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Speaker 1: this road. But one thing they're doing is they're doing

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Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out movement patterns and predict the

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Speaker 1: way in which is rolled my impact animal migrations. They

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Speaker 1: had a collard moose fall into a crevass and die.

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Speaker 1: A Collard grizzly scavenged the collard moose's carcass fell in

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Speaker 1: by a collard wolverine. Now that it's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: thinking about doing like this retro this's like retro thing.

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Speaker 1: Explain that he wants to make like old timey like

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Speaker 1: not even remember these kind of hats. Yeah, like when

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Speaker 1: you put on a certain type of hat and had

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Speaker 1: a ball on top. Yeah, fit a certain way and

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Speaker 1: start making those that are like hunt to eat so

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Speaker 1: you wear them. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's like, um,

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Speaker 1: it's like you know what should be called. It should

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Speaker 1: don't think you should make a retro head. Well I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why, just because I want to make it

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Speaker 1: to be forced to like wear like the goofy orange

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Speaker 1: stuff that is currently made out because it's the law

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Speaker 1: to have the orange on. Yes, it's the law had

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Speaker 1: the orange on, but it doesn't say that it also

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Speaker 1: has to be goofy a hunter's orange. Yes, you know

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Speaker 1: what I had, I liked. Well, I still don't like it,

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Speaker 1: but that makes it different a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: you should make a hat. My grandpa Canny used to hunt,

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Speaker 1: and he's like the only person my family used to hunt.

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Speaker 1: And he used to wear like a big trucker hat

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Speaker 1: that had flaps on the inside that would full down,

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Speaker 1: but the whole thing was just like really padded and

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Speaker 1: it was real old time he invented. It's like the

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Speaker 1: whole hat was almost made up like a foam Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was foam on the inside everything. Grandpa Grandpa Kenny. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that name makes him sound like he had that hat, right, Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't hunt ship sony. Oh yeah. Talking about your

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Speaker 1: your invention there where you got going on the hunter's

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Speaker 1: warrange hat. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a hunter's orange hat,

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Speaker 1: and it just has a little more style than what's

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Speaker 1: they do in those old hats where the design makes

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Speaker 1: it look like it was cross stitched in No, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so um, I could go full on like,

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Speaker 1: Would you like that one with like the tassels? No,

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Speaker 1: that's the Andy's not. Sorry, No, I don't like that

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Speaker 1: in your old stomping grounds, Big Rappids. I used to

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00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: go up to Big Rappids. My brother was he He

424
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: went to four colleges by the time he finished regular

425
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: college and went to two more for other later degrees,

426
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: but one of them was Big Rappids. And I would

427
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: go up there in December and January and we would

428
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: trap beaver through the ice and we add I left

429
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the beaver laying around somewhere at his place, and they

430
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: were a drinking beer and got to talk about this

431
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: whole beaver tail thing, and cut the tail off beavern

432
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: just stuck in the oven for a while, pulled it

433
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: out of the oven, messed around it, and they're like,

434
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: I just don't get what this is all about. I

435
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: don't see that it's edible. I don't understand what it means.

436
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: And then we honestly had a said when they said that.

437
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: The when they said that the Mountain men like to

438
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: eat beaver tail, were like, it must mean they like

439
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: to beat beaver hams or beaver thighs. So we started

440
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: stuffing those down into a crock pot and cooking them

441
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: and it was surprisingly good. Then I later learned that

442
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: it is the tail, but you gotta get like a

443
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: beaver in the fall and he's got a big thick tail,

444
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: and you stick his tail next to a fire, and

445
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: the skin on that tail bubbles off and you can

446
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: scrape it away, and underneath there is is what I

447
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: can the best way to describe it would be like

448
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: grizzle on a steak, just white, fatty grizzle. And it's

449
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: hard to picture it being good unless you think about

450
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: what it would be. If you're just we're not getting

451
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: any oils or fats in your diet, like you're eating

452
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: lean asked me all the time, and you're not putting

453
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: olive oil on everything and putting butter on everything. You

454
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: get where you just want that oil. Similar to the

455
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: Eskimos in their seal Yeah yeah we're out on new Yeah,

456
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: we're on now Nevac And they were saying that which

457
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: is the island out in the Baring Sea? And we

458
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: were with some what what what's there? Yeah, chupicks chupick,

459
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: eskimo And someone's gonna call in and be like, oh, no,

460
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: it's not eskimo. That's a negative word. I asked the dudes,

461
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: what should I call you? Do? I call you and

462
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: ask Himo and he's like, what in the hell else

463
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: would you call me? Didn't? Yeah, in my whole life,

464
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm like the Eskimo, like Eskimo hunters to be like, oh,

465
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: it's a derogatory term. Don't say that. It's like, well,

466
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: apparently someone hasn't told this guy because this guy I said, like,

467
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: you sure it's not into it and he has like Nope,

468
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: more eskimos chupicka. Anyhow, they were saying you can starve

469
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: to death on tom cod and people have, but if

470
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: you dip in oil, steal oil, you're fine, stay alive.

471
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: That's interest with the oil there, because didn't they wait

472
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: till all the oil was out of their salmon to

473
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: smoke him. But that was because it was because it

474
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: would drive faster. That was Yeah, that was some other

475
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: issue where Yeah, that was a weird I think we

476
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: ever talked about this. So they you know, usually when

477
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: you target fish, like when you when you're targeting salmon, um,

478
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: the best quality of salmon is ever gonna be in

479
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: like his highest quality. He'll be in his before he

480
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: goes up a stream to spawn, so he's at his

481
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: most fit state, the highest fat content state, because once

482
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: he enters the river and starts going up the river,

483
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be eating and he's gonna you know, deplete.

484
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: And a really long river like the Yukon and these

485
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: other rivers where the fish is gonna travel hundreds and

486
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles, they're particularly fatty when they go up

487
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and so those are great fish at the mouth, real fatty.

488
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: So generally that's what people want. But yeah, these dudes

489
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: are telling us that they don't fish chum salmon until

490
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: the chums go up and spawn out and kind of

491
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: start dying and drifting back down river and then they

492
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: like to catch them because they drive better in their

493
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: climate because they don't smoke. They just hang it to dry,

494
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: and they have in a cold ass wet ass place,

495
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: and the oily fish never drives right. It's an interesting

496
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: trade off though, when you're obviously lacking those calories that

497
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: you're just total around a bottle of seal oil, buckets

498
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: of it and they just drink it or they dip

499
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: dip stuff in it. We went out with him and

500
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: caught tom cod through the ice and they had taken

501
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: just shaved like the whole damn fish. You know, it's

502
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: frozen because like the many catches frozen rocks. They take

503
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: it in the house frozen and just slice little like

504
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: sushi slices off of the tom cod. And then you

505
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: take the toime cod still frozen, and it looks like

506
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: it's about the size of I mean, it's like what

507
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: are those little square and like those wheat then I

508
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: don't know, like a cat like a piece of wheat

509
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: thin fish. And then they dredge it and that oil

510
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: and it's a peppery oil, man, like a very peppery

511
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: They spice it or just that's all you do. I mean,

512
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: they were saying that the kids have gotten into soy sauce,

513
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: but they wasn't their scene. The older people don't like

514
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: it that way, but they salted or anything, just nothing man,

515
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: and they're protective of it. We're trying to get off

516
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the island with some seal oil. We're like, well, come on,

517
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: reach out, ask some friends please we left. I think

518
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: a lot of that might have to do with them

519
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: being leary about the Marine Mammal Protection Act, like their

520
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: exempt from Marine Mammal Protection Act, and there's probably a

521
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: lot like you know, um, you know, there's a lot

522
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: of restrictions on who takes you know, like white guys

523
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: are you know, general euro Americans can't hunt marine mammals.

524
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: They can hunt marine mammals as indigenous people. So that

525
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 1: the I what I took away from that is there

526
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: might be like a leer nous to be taking by

527
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: products from marine mammals and doing something that might be

528
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: construed as bartering with them or you know, putting them

529
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: into other people's hands, perhaps with those seal hats that

530
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: they were trying to sell us. Following to that, that's

531
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: a good point because they would try to sell seal hats. Yeah,

532
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: what the hell? Yeah, I don't know, I don't understand it. Yeah,

533
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: that's not definitely not it because you could leave with

534
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: a seal hat. A matter of fact, we got off

535
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: the plane there and there's a dude leaving with the seal,

536
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: the white guy leaving with a steal hat. I don't know,

537
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: expensive seal hat too. Oh well, what's better beaver hat

538
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: or seal hat? Like, just because we've been talking a

539
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: lot about I like to be a beaver hats better

540
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: seal has pretty has a flashy hat, yeah, depending, I

541
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: think what was the ones that we would look that

542
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: buying were like a spotted seal maybe, and so it

543
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: was it was literally like this bleach blonde with black spots.

544
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: It's very flashy. It's like a look at me kind

545
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: of had Yeah, the locals had, I think harbor seal,

546
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: ring ring seal. So it's kind of like it's almost

547
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: like more like like the beaver's like a brown undertone

548
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: with like a kind of like a just a light

549
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: highlight to the tips of the hairs. Way more low key,

550
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: you know. That's the one we were kind of trying

551
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: to search out, but didn't happen for us. Yeah, it's hard,

552
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: like they can pull it off. The Eskimos can pull

553
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: it off, but I don't. I don't know if he

554
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: made it up, but Ronnie Beam always said to me

555
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: when I worked from when I was younger. He said, uh,

556
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: never wear a hat that has more personality than you do.

557
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: And there's another thing saying like, never wear a hat

558
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: that says hello before you do. And I feel like

559
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: I can have on a beaver and muskrat hat that

560
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: I caught my own, Like if I'm gonna wear fur,

561
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna because I caught it, right, I'm not gonna

562
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: go buy for from some other dudes. Like I'm not

563
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: gonna buy meat from some other guy and bring it

564
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: back home. So I feel like I can have on

565
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: a fur hat that I caught the fur and I

566
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: can feel like I'm not the hat's not saying hi

567
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: before me, you know. Yeah. But to have that kind

568
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: of white seal hat with the black spots on it,

569
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: that's some bitches saying high from waiting. Yeah, you can't

570
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: shout it enough because those be like, oh it's a

571
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: seal hat. They're gonna be like what the world's that had? Yeah,

572
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: But about the mountain man. So here's what a mountain

573
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: me was. Now you got like I probably love do

574
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you guys, are you guys clear before we had this conversation,

575
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: are you guys clearing what a mountain man was? Well,

576
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was an era of specific Yeah,

577
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: it's not some jackass on TV. It's not some ja

578
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: casked on like a reality TV show who pretends to

579
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: be doing like mountain manny ship. There's no more mountain

580
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: men as a thing now. When people who don't know

581
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: what the mountain man was talking about montam and they

582
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: think it's like a hermit in a cabin, But in fact,

583
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: mountain man. We're the most well traveled, widely traveled individuals

584
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: of their era. A mountain man. Let me just lay out,

585
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: A mountain man was first the mountain man era. Okay,

586
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: we but we did the louis there, the US made

587
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: the Louisiana purchase and we bought the western US. Okay,

588
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: under the Jefferson presidency. Eighteen o four to eighteen o

589
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: six was the Lewis and Clark expedition. They went out.

590
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: They had a handful of man dates about some various

591
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: routs they might find to get across the country opening

592
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: up trade things. There was some talk that they might

593
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: find Willie Mammoth's and that was of interest to Jefferson. UM.

594
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: But one of the main things was for fur trade,

595
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: established connections for the fur trade, suss out what's going

596
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: on with fur trade opportunities out west. One of the

597
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: guys with him was a dude named John Coulter. He

598
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: was a hunter for them. They didn't even get back,

599
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: so they're going eight four eighteen o six. They didn't

600
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: even make it back to St. Louis, and John Coulter

601
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: ran into some other mugs going back up the Missouri

602
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: as the Lewis and Clark exhibitions coming down the Missouri,

603
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: and John Coulter was excused from the expedition and went

604
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: out went back up river to trap beaver. Historians kind

605
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: of regarded that as the beginning of the Mountain Man era.

606
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Eighteen o six, the Mountain Man era kind of came

607
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: into full bloom where there was a very organized trade

608
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: of beaver pelts kind of came into full bloom in

609
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the early eighteen twenties. UM. That was like the hey

610
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: day in the Mountain Man era, and the whole thing

611
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: petered out eighteen forty. At that point, a couple of

612
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: things are going on. Historian is gonna argue about it,

613
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: but a couple things are going on. One, beavers have

614
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: been really whacked back hard, really trapped out, so it

615
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: was becoming not quite worth the chase. To give an

616
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: idea how good the chase was at a time, there's

617
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: a story about a group of mountain men like they

618
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: would call himself a brigade of mountain and there twenty

619
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: of them that the winner of twenty four trapped the

620
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: Bitter Root Mountains. There was twenty guys. They had two

621
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: hundreds some traps and they pulled five thousand beaver, which

622
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: was an absolute fortune. Um, that's the heyday. There's another

623
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: guy who was working a loan trapper, a lone mountain

624
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: man work in the San Francisco River, Arizona, and he

625
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: caught five d some beaver in a in a winner.

626
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: That's a fortune. By eight forty, b were petering out

627
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: and the price was plummeting because what they were using

628
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: the beaver for a they're making wolf felt to make

629
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: felt hats. Silk had become fashionable and so the demand

630
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: for bea repels had collapsed and that was the end

631
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: of the mountain man era. You had two kinds of

632
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: mountain men. He had company trappers who were based like

633
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: contract trappers, and he had free trappers. And people generally

634
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: regard free trappers as being the cool ones. They went

635
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: out on their owner with a partner, trapped sold their

636
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: beaver to the highest bidder at a thing called the rendezvous.

637
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: And there were you were just researching this, Joannie, there

638
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: were so rendezvos. Would be dealers would come out from

639
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: the east and truck out all kinds of guns and

640
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: axes and kettles and buttons and needles and saws and

641
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: axes and butcher knives and calico and uh flint's lead powder,

642
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship that a person would need. They

643
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: would truck it out from the eastern wagons. You don't have.

644
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: The very first one they didn't truck out a single

645
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: drop of alcohol, was that they're afraid of people gett

646
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: too drunk. No. I think it was just a straight

647
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: up mistake, and they have been a bummer around because

648
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: picture Okay, So, so when the rondevoue happens, the dude

649
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: trucks out all the equipment and they meet it just

650
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: in a high they just meet in a mountain valley somewhere.

651
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: They meet in the summertime. They meet up in a

652
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: high place, so there's plenty of feed for horses because

653
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of people are going to turn up there. They

654
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: would be an established period of time all these trappers

655
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: who have been working the Rockies east of the Rockies,

656
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the main stem, main spine of the Rockies west of

657
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: the Rockies, everyone would convene at this pre selected location

658
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: to trade in their beaver for goods and money, mostly goods.

659
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Then they would fan back out the trafficking. For a

660
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, trappers especially, that was the only

661
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: like human interaction you had outside of the group of

662
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: guys you trapped with. And they would party their asses off,

663
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: and we're at doing some doing a little beaver trapping

664
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: at the main rendezvous site, which was called what Daniel

665
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: they call it, but what did the mountain men call it?

666
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Horse Creek or they call it mm hmmm. Because they

667
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: would winter the mountain would winter in Jackson Hole. They

668
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: oftentimes winter in places they had a little bit of

669
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: inversion type quality, like low valleys that stayed kind of nice.

670
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: But they would meet here and I don't know what

671
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: they called this particularly rendezvous site. Cash Valley, Utah was

672
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: a rendezvous site. Um, maybe just Upper Green River. Upper Green.

673
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: They had more rendezvous here than anywhere else, and the

674
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: last rendezvous was here. So that's what a mountain man is. Now.

675
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: If you did the composite drawing of your average mountain man,

676
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: he was a dude. He was like a guy who

677
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: grew up on a farm in you know, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia.

678
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Grew up on a farm. We had a lot of

679
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: wander lust and heard about fortunes and adventure to be had,

680
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: and made his way out into the wildest place imaginable

681
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: at the time, having no real idea what he was

682
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: getting into, and came out with a very high likelihood

683
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: of having a violent death at the hands of Native

684
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Americans who did not take kindly to this imposition on

685
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: their hunting lands. Many, many, many mountain men were killed

686
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: by Indians. A handful were killed by grizzlies, some were

687
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: killed by each other, some were just killed. No one

688
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: really knows. You know, the Laramie Range here in Wyoming.

689
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Larry was a mountain man. He hadn't even been out

690
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: one year, got killed. Some Indians killed him, cut a

691
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: hole through the ice and the beaver pond, stuff his

692
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: body down in there. His buddies didn't find him. Then

693
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: he wound up with a town, a mountain range, and

694
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: the river named after me. He had just shown up

695
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: in town. Everything he got around here named Bridger. Wasn't

696
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He didn't have any big discoveries. Jim Bridger

697
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: probably the most famous mountain man. Um Bridger Pass, Bridger Bowl,

698
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: Bridger Canyon, Bridger Creek, Bridger Montana, Bridger Mountains, Bridger School, Coulter.

699
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: For a while, Yellowstone was called Coulter's Hell. Now it's Yellowstone. Um.

700
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Hugh Glass just had a damn movie made about him.

701
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: There was like, you know, it was some there were

702
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: some swash some swashbuckling mugs and they did some extraordinary feats.

703
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: There's some of the coolest people. I mean, they were

704
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the you know, the first guys that do everything, the

705
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: first guys to go everywhere out of want and to

706
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: trap beaver. And now you get like people like, oh,

707
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: I wanna be like a mountain man, and they think

708
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: that they're gonna like that. You'd live in a cabin

709
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: and be Hermidy. I'm like, no, if you wanted to

710
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: be a mountain main, here's what you would do. It's

711
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: like people like be like, oh, I would have been

712
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: a mountain man had I been alive then, But okay,

713
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: you're alive now, so let's find your equivalent. Your equivalent

714
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: would be that you're gonna go down to Brazil and

715
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: travel up the Amazon River for several months until you

716
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: are eventually kind of like walking off into the jungle.

717
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: That's the equivalent. Or that you would go to this

718
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: might be a better equivalent. You would go to Afghanistan.

719
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: You'd go to the Afghanistan Pakistan border, not speaking the language,

720
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: and go wander around up there hunting. That's a mountain

721
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: man move. That's the equivalent. It's not you have a

722
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: little cabin and you you know, make your own bunk bedding.

723
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: It's just like read books on winter. Do you know

724
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like they were the most well traveled.

725
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: If you look at a map, but where Jedediah Smith?

726
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Where Jed Smith? Where all he went? So he first

727
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: guy to cross He's the first guy to reach the

728
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: Pacific through by by crossing the Mojave Desert. Gets over there,

729
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: gets imprisoned. No, gets over there with a bunch of guys.

730
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: They trap a whole ton of beaver in California Sacramento Valley,

731
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: get raided by Indians, kill a bunch of jet Smith's guys,

732
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: steal all of his beaver. Pelts goes in, gets held

733
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: prisoner by the Spanish. The Spanish send some guys out

734
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: to try to recoup some of his beaver. Pelts gets those,

735
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: doesn't get to bring him home, gets sent back over

736
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: the rock Key Mountains, winds up getting killed by some

737
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: command She had a water hole. Oh mauled by a

738
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: grizzly So his buddy sold his scout back on and

739
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: he always wore his hair long, so he's embarrassed about

740
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: the scar. On there zigzagging back and forth across the country,

741
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: going places no one's ever been before, wanderlust and openness

742
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: to other cultures, because a lot of these guys would

743
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: go and wind up taking Indian wives, joining Indian tribes,

744
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: learning new languages. And now we have this idea that

745
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: mountain men are like these, like xenophobic agoraphobes who you know,

746
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: don't travel around and experience new ship. Do you know

747
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that tough dudes, man, tough dudes wanderlust

748
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: because it's yeah, it seems like almost the beaver were

749
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: the vehicle for the exploration, Like the exploration was the priority.

750
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that they could make money was like think,

751
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, but I don't think anyone's like,

752
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, I've run all the numbers in the best

753
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: way for me to get rid to go out and

754
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: get my head caught off by some you know, by

755
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: some black feet. So it was convenient for a wanderlust

756
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: type of spirit too, that beaver was a high demandic

757
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: moodity exploration. Yes, if you want to go on let's

758
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: let's say you want to go on a like a

759
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: doll sheet hunt. You know, you like the idea of

760
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: the doll sheet because of where he is in large measure,

761
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: like if he was somewhere else, he wouldn't be as

762
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: interesting where he is. What would be what would be

763
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: the vehicle that would take you into unknown places in

764
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: afghanis Stan, in Pakistan? That's a good question. Would it

765
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: be like just just just winging it? Like would it

766
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: be like the mercenaries? I mean, even though there's a

767
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: political and a management yeah, so it pays. I heard

768
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: it pays well. Yeah, and it gets me to this

769
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: place that you know, Yeah, you're drawn. That's a good point.

770
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: You're drawn. Yeah, there's the idea, there's the outward justification.

771
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: Oh yes, you could get very wealthy, just like a

772
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of guys who are contractors and you know, mersaries

773
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: out of word. Yeah, I mean it's definitely the right

774
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: word that they don't know one refers to themselves as

775
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: a mercenary. But sure the contractors that go do work there. Yeah,

776
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: it pays really well. There's also a really good chance

777
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: you want to be with your head cut off, but

778
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: you're drawn to it. Yeah, you see some stuff you

779
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: want to see otherwise. But that's always kind of burned

780
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: my ass about the way people use the term mountain

781
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: man and it's not like what a mountain man was.

782
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting to something about that about them eating the beavers.

783
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: They are good campers, yeah, unbelievable campers. When I think

784
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: about the when I think about the feats of the

785
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: mountain men, or like even Daniel Boone who was sort

786
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: of like a precursor of the mountain and like Daniel

787
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Boone went over the Cumberland gap, like through a pass

788
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: in the mountains, went down in the Kentucky territory, was

789
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: going on a two year hunting trip, most of it

790
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: by himself going along. He was making his own gunpowder

791
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: out of back gwando that he found in caves. And

792
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: you think about I can't even imagine sleeping and cane breaks,

793
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: trying to walk across down trees and not leave tracks

794
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: because he knew that the you know that he was

795
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: very likely to get killed as a trespasser. And you

796
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: think all that, and you like he did it without

797
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: a flashlight, Like when it got dark it was dark

798
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: in the mountain. Man, all that crazy ship they did

799
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: and everybody trying to kill him and getting killed by

800
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: like no flashlights. I can get like, yeah, they didn't

801
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: mock And it was like, okay, I understand that. It's

802
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: the lack of a flashlight that blows my mind that

803
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: you can never be like what was that in line out? Yeah,

804
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: be like what was that? I don't know, just we're

805
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: never gonna find out. It was ten ft away, but

806
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: I can't look over there. Oh my god, that must

807
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: have been nerve wracking paranoia. You're saying that earlier, right,

808
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: like they just must have existed in like such a

809
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: state of paranoia all the time. Yeah, and Garrett you

810
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: at that point PTSD like, yeah, that was good, Like Garrett,

811
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: because get onto the A think the way to wrap

812
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: all that in is how we guys talking about the

813
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: PTS did the Mountain man. It is because you were saying,

814
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: how when it was all said and done, if they

815
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: if they had a couple of good years and they

816
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: were smart, they just go back to Virginia by themselves

817
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: a farm, live fat, right. Yeah. The richest man it

818
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: was talking about John Jacob Asters like Astor plays in

819
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: New York. The richest man in America, and some people

820
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: argue the richest man in the world at that time

821
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: was the guy who got involved in the beaver trade.

822
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: He went out, spend some time out, figured out that

823
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: got involved with the fur company, figured out that there

824
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: was a thousand, one thou percent mark up on beaver

825
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: I had sold in Europe. Got to thinking that that's

826
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: where the money might be. Became the richest man in

827
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: America off beaver pelts. I think he also reversed that

828
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: mark up to the goods that came from East to

829
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the rendezvous. I think that was a similar markup. Yeah,

830
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: I've I've read that that the that what they were

831
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: paying for a hatchet and stuff was absurd, shrewd business man. Anyways,

832
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: after five or ten years of sleeping in willow thickets

833
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: on floating mats of grass, then when you're hanging out

834
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: this farming in Virginia, man, you just don't fit in anymore.

835
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: Maybe no, I think so. In uh, yeah, so Garrett

836
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: brought his idea of PTSD. We're talking about what happened

837
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: to John Coulter. So Coulters, he was part of the

838
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark expedition, was the first guy to pass

839
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: the Yelstone Park. What I keep saying, the first guy

840
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: to do this, and that I'm taking a very like

841
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: euro Centric approach. I'm talking about like my euro Mayan

842
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: ancestors or that that aspect of my culture. Surely Native

843
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: American's pasted the Eulsto National Park, but the first euro

844
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: American to do it was John Culture. They called the

845
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: Culture's Hell. There's also another thing that Coulter's name is

846
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: attached to, which is Culture's Run. Coulter and another guy

847
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: were trapping beaver near three Forks, Montana, and they got

848
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: caught by the black feet, and black feet filled his

849
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: body full of holes, chopped them all up, uh, cut

850
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: his guts out, cut his balls off, smeared his guts

851
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: and balls on. Coulter um got it and got them

852
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: all red with blood, and then gave him a running

853
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: head start, and then they all chased after him to

854
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: go catch him and kill him. And Coulter's version of

855
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: it was, he was running so hard that he ruptured

856
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: a blood vessel in his nose and pretty soon had

857
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: like prodigious amounts of blood coming out of his nose.

858
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: He was running so hard, and he could hear a

859
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: guy right behind him, and when he spun around, his

860
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: sight like the sight of him with so much blood

861
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: and he's already a mess and blood just gushing from

862
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: his nose, the sight of him like startled the guy

863
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: so bad that he was able to kill that guy,

864
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: overcome him and kill him. And then he ran. And

865
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: legend has it he hit up in a beaver lodge,

866
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: winning a beaver lodge entrance of an old lodge, and

867
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: got up under there and hit and they looked for

868
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: him and look for him and look for him, never

869
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: found him. That's Coulter's run and then there he is

870
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: no gear, no clothes, no gear, and crawled his way

871
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: back to help. I told that story, and Garrett brought

872
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: up like this idea of PTSD, like how could you

873
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: live through something like that? And they had no terminology

874
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: for it, but how could you live through something like that?

875
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: And then you're supposed to go back east and like

876
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: go to the PTA meeting to be a gentleman Mary,

877
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: And that got us talking about A. B. Guthrie's fantastic

878
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: mountain man book, The Big Sky which is where when

879
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: people call Montana Big Sky Country, it's Abe Guth's book,

880
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: The Big s Guy. It's a very well researched the

881
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: fictional tale of a mountain man. And he has that

882
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: he comes out west and lives his life, and he

883
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: goes back and he absolutely does not fit in and

884
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: winds up getting himself into tons of trouble. And it's

885
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: like that he's like he's a this amazing hero here,

886
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: but he goes back and he's a damaged man. He's

887
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: damaged back East, just so used to a different culture,

888
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: in different way of being. How long did he live?

889
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Which guy? Uh? Well, I guess I want to know

890
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: about both culture and the guy in the story, oh,

891
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: the guy in the story. It winds up being that

892
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: he there's another book where he becomes a guide. Because

893
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the mountain and became guides. So right

894
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: when the mountain man era ended, the Oregon Trail was

895
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: getting going, a lot of those guys they knew all

896
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: those passes and all those routes, and they knew a

897
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: lot of the language. Is a knew what was a

898
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: good idea and what was a shitty idea, and uh,

899
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: they became guides. Bridgert became a guide. Many of them

900
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: became guides. Some went back to farm, some became guides,

901
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: some became businessmen, some became ranchers, some went into the

902
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: like the Organs of lamb At Valley and you know,

903
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: started orchards, a variety of things. But um, the guiding

904
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: and like the frontier guide and to be like a

905
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: frontiersman was something that came out of Kick Carson had

906
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: been a mountain man. Wild Bill Cody had been a

907
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: hide hunter, you know, but not a mounta man, but

908
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: a hide hunter. Um, so yeah, you got into other

909
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: lines of work. Bridger did some actual guiding, recreational recreational

910
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: big game hunter, from Germany who came out and made

911
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: a mess. Right last name of Gore. He actually wore

912
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: his welcome out. He came out and just killed hundreds

913
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: of everything. He was like a dude named a beautiful

914
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: mountain range after him in Colorado, didn't He was like

915
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: a dude going to Africa times like about a thousand

916
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: when he came to the Great Plains. The de terminology

917
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: come from his like you know, Gorri or Gore. I

918
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: definitely don't think so it was that proceded to him. Yeah,

919
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think that was it. It's kind of

920
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: ironic though, so doing all this and uh, let up

921
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: to I was having some beaver meat tonight, and beaver

922
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: meat is like I feel like, I feel like if

923
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: if if someone worked at it, I think that someone

924
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: could promote it and popularize it, you know, because it's

925
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: a completely like right now, fur prices are low, so

926
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: the value you know, they used to sell beavers for

927
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: wolf felt nice of beavers for fur garments. Beaver prices

928
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: are like they're not They're they're essentially valueless right now,

929
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: like the cost of fuel and the cost of equipment.

930
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: You could never recover it no matter how many beavers

931
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: you caught because it takes time to skim them and

932
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: flash them and dry them, which is like they're they're

933
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: there's not worth the pursuit. But that's a good question though.

934
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: Is so it's legal to barter and sell the for

935
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: a fur bear, would it be legal to do that

936
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: with its meat that I don't know. I'm saying this

937
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: because I'm so far beyond the statute of limitations. But

938
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: when I was young, when I was in high school

939
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: and college, I would sell beaver and muskrat meat to

940
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: sled doggers. I doubt that I was breaking a law.

941
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't for human consumption, um, but I would sell

942
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: the meat to sled doggers. I would They would give

943
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: me like this guy would give me five from from

944
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: five to seven for a beaver carcass, and like two

945
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: dollars maybe one or two dollars for a muskrat carcass

946
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: after I took the hide, so I'll get the hide,

947
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: so the hide for you know, five dollars, six dollars,

948
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: four dollars, and then turned around, I could sell the

949
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: carcasses to the sled dog racers and they would grind

950
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: him out, give him the dogs. And this guy insisted

951
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: on a race he fed beaver meat to his dogs.

952
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: On a race, he said they raced better on beaver

953
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: than anything else. He'd give them a lot of horse

954
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: and stuff. Other times lame horses, he'd he'd butchered the horse,

955
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: boned it all out, boil it up and feed that.

956
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: But on when on a race beaver meat, he said,

957
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: they just tore it up on beaver. What was I

958
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 1: getting ante before that? So? Maybe how long Coulture lived?

959
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Did you answer that? No? I did that. But some

960
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: about eating beef on a popular make it popular? Oh yeah,

961
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like someone could promote it and keep promoting

962
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: the idea of a very underutilized resource. That if you

963
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: live in a good beaver area and you get yourself

964
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: a fur howe verse to the licenses a license, you

965
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: could fill your freezer with beaver meat and eat beaver

966
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: and live off beaver meat in your family not have

967
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: to buy commercially produce meat, eat beaver meat, and then

968
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: get everyone you know a sweet beaver hat and beaver mittens,

969
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: and that could be like your deal. You know, people

970
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, he's a big white tailed guy.

971
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 1: He's a big turkey guy. Like he's a big beaver

972
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: guy and just be your deals trapping beaver. Why is

973
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: it that it's not like that. I don't understand why,

974
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: and like people like before this trip, I was like, yeah,

975
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: who the hell is beaver? And I feel a lot

976
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: of people feel that way, like produced be so common

977
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: to think about what else saying about the Catholic Church. Yeah,

978
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: it's so weird that this thing they try to do

979
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: that with the nutrient, try to get it to catch on.

980
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: One of the reasons might be that beaver has, for

981
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: legal purpose, has been regarded as a fur bearer. So

982
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: if you're a guy with a small game license out hunting,

983
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to shoot a beaver because like animals

984
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: have legal method to take. The legal method on take

985
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: is it's like listen, as a fur bear, you have

986
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: to be a licensed fur harvester, then you have to

987
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: follow the legal method to take and usually you gotta

988
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: catch it the trap. Well, unt, you said, Canada, right,

989
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: they can. Here's a lot. There's many places. There's many

990
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: places and many people that are allowed to shoot. But

991
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: in lower forty eight, I don't know. Well, it's funny

992
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: because like Colorado and they're kind of like bullshitty wisdom

993
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: banned trapping. They didn't want fur trapping, so they banned

994
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: fur trapping. But anyone who's got a damage complaint, So

995
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: they used to have regulations about how to take animals.

996
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Now anyone who gets a damage complaint and they hand

997
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: them out like candy can kill beavers anyway he wants

998
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: to kill him. So now anyone wants to get rid

999
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: of beavers, Yeah, you can get if your buddy goes

1000
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: and files for the damage complaint thing in Colorado, you

1001
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: can go out and hunt beavers of the twenty two

1002
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: what a blown up dynamite. So it's like they gave

1003
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: up sort of a regulated pursuit in favor of mayhem

1004
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: in the name of being humane. Well, what about What

1005
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: I was curious about is like it is beaver more

1006
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: common as a food in Canada because it's more accessible.

1007
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: So many of that native cultures like there's this, there's this,

1008
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: Uh Richard k Nelson. There's an anthropologist named Richard K. Nelson.

1009
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: He wrote up great book called Make Prayers to the

1010
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Raven about the about the Koyakuk Koyekon people on the

1011
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: Koyakuk River. Yeah, man, big thing for them was to beaver.

1012
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: That's some interesting theories too. They didn't think that you should.

1013
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, everyone now, I guess it's been a long time.

1014
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: How long has it been that everyone's been like really thirsty.

1015
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: That everybody always talks about being the hydrated and everything.

1016
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: There wasn't like a thing when when we were kids,

1017
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: no one was the hydrated. We were kids, I didn't

1018
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: start drinking water. Two my dad got kidney stones. This

1019
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: way off topic. But when he got the stones past

1020
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: kidney stones, and it was somewhat caused by dehydration at

1021
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: a very young age, he was like drinking water. But

1022
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: before that he didn't drink water. That was a singular event.

1023
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: My father did not need to drink water when he

1024
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: got a headache. He didn't go like, oh I must

1025
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: be dehydrated. It was like they were just fine. I mean,

1026
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: he fought his way across Europe during World War Two,

1027
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden everybody got de hydrated.

1028
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Do you know George Carlin talks about this. He's like,

1029
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: when did everybody gets so da him thirsty? They all

1030
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: carried canteens, you know, But it wasn't like now now

1031
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: there's like there's this thing where everyone blames everything on dehydration.

1032
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: That look, yeah, it was not that. It was not water.

1033
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: Right now, I got rumming if I'm drinking water, So yeah,

1034
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: what was I getting at about this? They're at some

1035
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: point it was about that book in Canada. It's such

1036
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: a hard time track him out, and thought, oh that

1037
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: they had the coy Kan warn people don't drink too

1038
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: much water, especially if you're a hunter, because water only

1039
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: goes downhill, and a water logged log does not float well. Therefore,

1040
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: don't be eaten, don't be drinking water. It's an interesting

1041
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: parallels there. They were worried about people drinking too much water.

1042
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: That did not do you good. You're not gonna go

1043
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: up a hill fast if you drink a lot of water,

1044
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: that ship goes downhill. And they had another thing. They're like,

1045
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: no man would shoot a bear that's not in its den.

1046
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: It's you're a pussy if you do that. A real

1047
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: man goes down in the den and kills the barrier

1048
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: while it's sleeping. Yeah, that's you hook a rope to

1049
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: it or a cable to it and drag it out

1050
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: with a snow machine and then kill it. Because anyone,

1051
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: any chicken chick and kill a bear out walking around?

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: What's this tribes there? That's that's interest the coykon. So

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01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: Richard K. Nelson spent a lot of time with them,

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: I think, I think starting the sixties, but definitely the seventies,

1055
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in them, and then wrote

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01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: about their relationships to food and relationships and different animals

1057
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: and their feelings about different animals, what animals they felt

1058
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: were smart, and what ones were good to eat, what

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: ones are bad eat, Like a very elaborate taboo system.

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01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I think you know this one. I talked about a

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: bunch of times where I think that we only use

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01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: we use the word taboo as a in somewhat derogatory way.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: We have about like other cultures that we think less

1064
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: of us are like, oh yeah, they have all these taboos.

1065
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: We're full of taboo. We don't use that term. We're

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: like we have ethics or you know, we have taboos.

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: We have a taboo system, like, for instance, we have

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: a taboo against eating dog. No one articulates it that way,

1069
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,959
Speaker 1: but we have a dog taboo. We have a house

1070
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: cat eating taboo. To an outside perspective, they'd be like

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01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: those people have a bunch of taboos. They won't eat

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: dog because more people in this world live in a

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: country where it's comedy eat dogs and don't. So somehow

1074
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: in our taboo system that we've established, uh, we have

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: got an the idea that you don't eat beavers north

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: America's biggest roting. I feel like it is an idea

1077
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: about squirrels too. I was you took the thought out

1078
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 1: of my head. People are like, oh, squirrels are dirty.

1079
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: What do you want to eat those for? It? Really

1080
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: eat those? They're good, man, It tastes good. I wasn't shot.

1081
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't even want to promote it anymore because I

1082
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: love my quiet squirrel woods. I love eat my squirrels.

1083
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm over promoting it. I did my two years

1084
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: of promoting it. I'm gonna shut my trap and just take.

1085
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: And you just found the s. Yeah, it's just found

1086
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: what no one listened. If you took you could take

1087
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy and tell Kevin Murphy, you draw me out

1088
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: the primo squirrel locations of this country. And this is

1089
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: a man who has devoted his life to the squirrel.

1090
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: He wouldn't know to even go near this spot with

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01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: a pen if he if you said Shaden the primest

1092
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: squirrel country in the world, he wouldn't. He wouldn't come

1093
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: within a hundred miles of its greasy squirrels. To Yanni

1094
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: has discovered giants and he's kind of like we shared.

1095
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: We texted the picture to Kevin Murphy and you don't

1096
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: get it a lot because that dude spends some time

1097
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: outside and he's getting after it and he has nobody

1098
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: to be jealous of. But he replied with I am

1099
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: very jealous. He called male squirrels bucks, you'll you'll get

1100
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: one of like it was a buck or what was

1101
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: he called female? Not a dough bucks and sows? Maybe? Yeah,

1102
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,959
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I know, I think it's born

1103
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: South born. So yeah, what was amazing about that scroll

1104
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: hunting day? And I told you I think I called

1105
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: you from the location and we had hit that spot

1106
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: at daylight like a good scroll hunter would, did a

1107
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: big loop, spent an hour and there are three of us,

1108
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: did not see a squirrel, saw some sign. Come back

1109
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: at like eleven o'clock in the morning, do the same

1110
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: loop and we almost killed twenty Yeah, what's up with that? No,

1111
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: I would say what they're feeding on? But I feel

1112
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: like it would be risky because you give up the spot. Yeah,

1113
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: because if you described where they're nesting and what they're

1114
01:04:52,200 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: feeding on in a very astute listener Kevin Murphy, Yeah, okay,

1115
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: And I remember when he saw that picture, he was

1116
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: already getting in there trying to talk about he had

1117
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: noticed some background evidence and was trying to do us

1118
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about what was going on there. I

1119
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: remember he had some comments about a type of tree

1120
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: in the background. This has nothing to do. I'll sew

1121
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: this out there because it's gonna throw people off. I

1122
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: just met a dude in Kansas who they hunt squirrels

1123
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: out of uh pecan orchards. That's gotta be a good

1124
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: eating squirrel. Yeah, he said. Sometimes it's just ridiculous with them.

1125
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: And he said permissions aren't any problem because people gotta

1126
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: they didn't want to lose their crop. I think he

1127
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: was calling him peacns. I grew up Pecanca pecan. I

1128
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: think it's like a Mason Dixon line thing. Garrett. What's

1129
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: your concluding thought or thoughts, man, I don't care. Well.

1130
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: It would be similar to the squirrel with the beef,

1131
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: with the beaver and all these farmers and ranchers are

1132
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're a nuisense. They're paying people to get

1133
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: rid of beaver. So get paid. Eat it when you're done,

1134
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: make a belt buckle out of the tail. That's my

1135
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: concluding thought. Yeah, Gareth oldman has a beaver belt buckles

1136
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: for like twenty years or thirty years or something. Beaver

1137
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: tail belt buckle. He told me about that when you're

1138
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: old man told me about I mean he still wears it.

1139
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I got like a image of it. It's just like

1140
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: the tail, you know, stitched onto a metal belt buckle,

1141
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: just like you would leather. Yeah. I like that man,

1142
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: that nice scaly black tip. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1143
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: my concluding thoughts gonna be a thing about that. It's

1144
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: a parable um my brother, he I think we were both.

1145
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: My brother was living in Bozeman. I was there for

1146
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: a while, kind of living with him and helping him

1147
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: with his with his work. And he had this friend

1148
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: who had gone to Hawaii years before, had gone to

1149
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: Hawaiian a vacation, and while in Hawaii bought himself a

1150
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: and eel skin wallet, so a wallet made out of

1151
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: eel skin. That wallet served him nicely for seven years

1152
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: He later had occasion to go back to Hawaii. He

1153
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: calculated out how many years he figured he had left

1154
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: on Earth, divided that by seven, and bought that many

1155
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: of those eelskin wallets. My god, so he set. You

1156
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: know what, that's my concluding thought. I might make beaver

1157
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: tail wallet two. Well, I'm not kind of years. You know,

1158
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: how old are you? How many you're not that? Yeah,

1159
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: you might make two and a half to get you

1160
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: through the rest of your life. I'm halfway done being alive. No, yeah, yeah,

1161
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: forty two, I'm halfway done. And squirrel and stuff you

1162
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: go ninety five? Yeah, maybe, but no, it's like it's like, really,

1163
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: something I think a lot about is being halfway done

1164
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: being alive. Chris concluding thoughts. How oh, man, I got

1165
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: a couple? No, do you have all you want? Man?

1166
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't care. My biggest one is brown your meat

1167
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: before he roasted that way, your meat didn't turn out

1168
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: gray and grows. What's your next one? You got me?

1169
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hooked now, man. I want to hear more. Rat.

1170
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy eating rodents, and I didn't think I would,

1171
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: but I really like it. Keep them calming, Uh, don't

1172
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: give Garrett sugar before Ben. Oh yeah, Garrett uh gets

1173
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: night something called night terrors where you'd be sleeping in

1174
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: a tent. You tell them, might be sleeping in a

1175
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: tent down to Mexico, way way up in the mountains

1176
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: where you don't where nothing really makes that much sense,

1177
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: and you go days out seeing someone. When you do,

1178
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: it's like a dude riding way far away on the

1179
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: burrow and you don't quite know what he's up to.

1180
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: He's got like a sack and a machetty. And then

1181
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: in this atmosphere, Derek or Garrett has night terrors in

1182
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: which he starts, oh my god, Sugar, Sugar is the

1183
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: catalyst for those nights. I like it, man, I think

1184
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: it's enjoyable. And he figured out what it like. The

1185
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: safety is to get him out, to get to come

1186
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: back to no. I just yelled his name. And then

1187
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: sometimes like he woke up in the middle of one, right,

1188
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 1: and you're like kind of there and like you almost hallucinated.

1189
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 1: Remember talking in his night tear, was that an avalanche

1190
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: was sweeping through the tent. Yeah, yeah, sugar man, Yes,

1191
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: don't give this guy at ding Dong when you're out camping.

1192
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't just all the interesting things I learned.

1193
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: I've got limited experience trapping captain beavers. We didn't learn

1194
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: any technical skills. I mean I was doing a pretty

1195
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: piss poord job. Yeah, but I learned how hard it

1196
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 1: was because we had like basically twenty sets for a beaver,

1197
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: which is not does not a mountain man make. But

1198
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: up until now I've been you know, around it. Like

1199
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: he said, it's like, oh someone set too caught one

1200
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: set one caught one um, and you can just see

1201
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: how you could get into it. Just so much to

1202
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: learn and think about and strategize and well, oh yeah.

1203
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: My concluding thought was gonna be that the anticipation of,

1204
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, going to bed and when you have sets

1205
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: out is equal to like you'd like, you know, you're

1206
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: gonna go big game hunt in the morning. It's exciting, man. Alright.

1207
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: So Daniel from uh from nearby, Daniel Wyoming, Eat beaver,

1208
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: Eat more beaver. Thanks for tuning in.