WEBVTT - An Affair To Remember with Margaret Josephs and Joe Benigno 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.840 It's I Do Part two. I'm one of your celebrity mentors, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.079 Jen Fessler. You know me from the Real Housewives of 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.160 New Jersey and the podcast I co host to Jersey Jays. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.920 I have been having so much fun on this podcast, 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.400 getting to chat with people who found love in their 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.960 chapter two and today my guests are my dear friends, 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.199 an amazing couple. Everyone loves them. You know them from 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.040 Real Housewives of New Jersey. Please help me welcome Margaret 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:39.480 Joseph's and Joe Binigno. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.000 Oh my god, we're so happy to be here. Hi, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.240 you guys with our dear friend Jen Fessler. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.320 Yes, I have to say, so far, since I've started 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.840 hosting these I Do Part two, I've had only really 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.920 people that I love on Friends. Oh, I have those 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.800 farmers on who I did love them too. I have 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:58.680 to be honest, I love it. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.000 I have to listen to the fun Yes, who the farmer? 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.960 They are so cute, They're adorable. They're doing this new show. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.320 But we digress. So we're here to talk about Margaret 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.080 and Joe. You guys, We're going to go through some 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.240 things for our listeners that things that I probably know 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.200 but they don't and I know things that you know 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.600 because we have a lot of viewers and listeners that 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:23.039 are not necessarily even housewives people. So, yes, is there anybody? 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:24.360 Is there anybody in this world? 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.039 And I understand it a lot of people don't watch. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:32.240 Housewise, that's true. Well, yes, okay, So let's talk a 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.000 little bit about to get to chapter two, we're going 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.840 to start with chapter one. So I want to know 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.680 a little bit about your first marriages, and Joe, let's 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.880 start with you. I don't know you know, however, much 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.920 you want to kind of reveal about what it was 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.920 like in your first marriage. How old were you when 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.320 you got married? How many kids? 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.360 I guess a brief synopsis would be, Yes, I was 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.400 married when I was thirty years old. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:57.720 That's old. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:58.640 Yeah, I was old. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.000 Jeff thirty six. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.000 Was the last one of my friends. And I had 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.440 the first kid when I was thirty five. Okay, and 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.280 I have a son and a daughter, and one is 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.440 now thirty four. The other was thirty three, right three. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.760 Yes, Yes, I love the ask, Margaret, you're me and 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.240 I didn't birth those you asking. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.280 Over time, we grew apart, as couples do occasionally when 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.040 you have kids. When they have, there's a lot of 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:34.760 stress involved with the children. Basically we were like we 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.560 were mostly separated for a few years before the divorce 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.919 because we lived like almost separate lives. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.720 Is that what it was? I just think that you 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.560 were two different people. Just say, no, Joe, why didn't 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.640 you just be candids? You were very different people. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.639 Because I'm going to be seventy years old this year 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.120 and my freaking brain don't want. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:53.680 I don't even believe you. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.000 No, impossible, No, why don't you just be very candid? 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.280 You were very different people. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.760 Well, let me ask you were extremely different before you 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.440 met Margaret. Was the marriage already? Were you already on 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:04.840 the out? 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:10.280 Yes, you were for a long time. I was. We 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:15.400 had way different ideas on basically everything. After the kids 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:21.320 came and the kids wanted to hang out as kids do, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.760 they want to hang out with the dad and play around, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.480 and the mother wants to be strict and the dad 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:28.680 lets them fool around. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.880 So that is that was that sort of when it started, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.120 like the separation between like. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.440 Child child real things that we'd like to do, Like, 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.320 we had completely different ideas on what was fun you 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.880 know for us as a couple. Yeah, and it just 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:49.760 diverged from there, and then I wanted my kids to 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.720 get into college before I before I thought about separating 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.440 or getting divorced, because this way they were separated out 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.800 of the entire arguments. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.400 So interesting because I remember those thoughts going through my 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.520 mind when Jeff and I separated. My kids were much younger, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.160 but I thought, Okay, we can't get divorced until they 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.520 go to college, and we should get all of that stuff. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.320 And then I don't know how you guys felt, but 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.280 like my kids went to college, it would have been 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.760 maybe even harder, at least in my situation, I feel 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.120 like they would have been. When my son first went 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.000 away to college, the dog died, I thought he was 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.039 gonna have a nervous breakdown, so, you know, he just 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.600 felt so far away. But anyway, okay, Margaret, you're up. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.640 I mean, Joe's so funny. He's like, he doesn't really 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.640 talk about his first marriage. It's absolutely kind of fight. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.719 You're like, wow, we grew apart in the past. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.640 You know, it's I. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.080 Mean, are you guys well jumping ahead, but are you 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.760 guys in a place right now where she could hear it, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.839 like hear you talking about. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.040 Oh, let me say this. My ex wife is buddies 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:50.800 with my wife. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.000 Yeah, now we're very good only Margaret, Joseph Margaret. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.440 It was important to me because we did not have 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.839 a good relationship, his ex wife myself. But now we 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.240 do and I think she's you know, we've come to 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.719 a very good place. We bonded over a common enemy. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.560 So that was you know that was and wait my 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.560 head is spinning over yet. Is that would be Joe's 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.880 son's ex wife, got it? Yes, which is great. Yes, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.800 we love you know her and I both agreed. She 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.160 was never good enough for our for our son. Nothing 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.640 like us nat daughter, nothing like a nasty daughter. And 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.520 to bring the time together. Yes, my first husband, I 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.200 was madly I will be honest like I was. Well, Joe, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.760 were you madly in love with her when you first 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:34.000 met her? 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.239 Yes, I'm sure of course. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.560 I mean that was like your third engagement. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.159 It was well, practice makes perfect. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.320 Wow, Okay, Joe was not candid. You hared like numerous 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.560 engagements before you married. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:46.400 I went out a real lot. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.880 I was like a whore, really, man, Well, whore is 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.920 not I mean engaged? Whore is one thing? Joe, just 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.359 I have to I want to giggle a little bit 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.520 because Joe's. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:59.719 Care Joe's very his chair went all the way. Yes, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:00.919 you're graceful about it. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:05.000 I don't have to stand up. Yeah, there you go, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.839 There you go. But I mean engagements, I mean I 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.560 believe it in terms of the horring, I had my 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.120 own horring that went down in my twenties. But in 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.479 terms of engagement, so you were engaged twice before you 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:15.880 tied the knot. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.480 Twice or three times? 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.359 Joe, Joe was having what is going on here that 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.840 you're you're you're not remembering? Don't you get asked a 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:25.359 lot about that? 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:25.520 Do you? 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.360 Guys get out? 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:32.800 We get people ask us about how we miss. Yeah, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.600 I know that's from from like that second forward. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.479 So that's I was just thinking that that's easy to 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.080 I was thinking that broken engagements met his wife, they 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.160 got married. You know, Joe was a very nice I 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.599 think a devoted first husband and a devoted second husband. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.000 But I think you were more devoted second husband. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.680 Okay, yeah, that's a nice thing to say. Oh he is, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.680 he's a great husband. I can't I know, but even 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.960 saying that for you know, I think it was wife. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.479 I don't know if she would agree, But I mean 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.479 that's a nice things say. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.320 Yeah, I don't know what you would say. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.240 Okay, I think you were a good husband. You were good, 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.120 you were a good provider, you were home a lot. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.920 You didn't go way. Let you want like a dirty 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:12.320 stay out? 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.280 Oh no, okay, No, I can't believe you just had 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.280 dirty stay out. My best friend uses that expression all 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.120 the time. One of my favorites. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.480 You know, unlike your wife. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.240 You know, my wife is a dirty stay out. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:24.160 I love to stay out. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.040 I was gonna I was about to say, I know 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.560 you're talking about your ex wife to me, dirty stay 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:29.440 out is dirty. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.000 No, I wasn't dirty. I'm gonna stay. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.640 I stay my late nights. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:33.280 I'm not dirty. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.640 I know I call it a dirty stay out because 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.520 she's not home supper with me. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.560 No, yes, that's you guys. My head is I have 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.120 to slow down because my head is spinning. I'm like, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.080 as you're saying that, I would know. I wanted to say, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.400 like how Joe always wants you to be there at 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.840 the airport, like to pick him up, Like these guys 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.080 have the greatest relationship. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.760 And I'm not doing the airport pickup. I never I 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.880 think it's rude that he even asks. But I know 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:55.520 it happens. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:56.840 It happen twice. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.800 I don't think it's nice to ask. Again, don't even ask. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.560 I'm taking a car service. Would I want someone to 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.240 pick me up at the airport and won an airport 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.840 pick up? Don't ask me to pick up the airport, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.080 neither my cail Ie to pick him up at the 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.160 airport service. I'm not wasting for yes, exactly, I'm not sring. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.840 I digress. Yeah, I'm digressing. So you and Jan were 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:13.880 madly in love when you met. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.800 Yes, I was really crazy for him. Yes, I think 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.560 because he had the three kids. It was important to 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.600 me to marry someone who was a good father, you know, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.320 maybe the good husband part. You know, I missed out 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.120 on a little not that he was a bad husband, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.240 but he was controlling, he was older, you know, and 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.560 he was a great guy, you know. But it was 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.240 his second so I was his second, right, I had 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.680 the second wife. I've never been a first wife, right, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.560 So the you know, I was younger. I was twenty four. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.120 He was forty four. Wow to twenty years when you 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.160 probably told me that, But twenty four is young. Yes, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:47.760 I was twenty four. I moved on with him when 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.280 I was twenty four, he was forty four. I had 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.920 a beautiful family, beautiful life. I had full time help. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.679 I had a very beautiful, privileged life. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.880 Okay, because it was I do. I thought I knew everything. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.240 Twenty four I must have known twenty four to forty four, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.040 Just real, quickly, just how did you meet a forty 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:04.600 four year old to. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.480 Twenty I worked in the garment center, right, yes, dress designer. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.120 He owned Joseph's brother's lace and embroidery. You know, very 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.000 you know, the Joseph's brothers. You know big in the 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.320 lace and embroidery. Okay, you know, garment center is very different. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.680 He had just gotten divorced. You know. He looked younger, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.440 but he was. He was a great father. He had 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.640 custody of three children. His ex wife was nervous about that. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.679 Age twenty four. I was delusional. I thought it was 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.120 no big deal. We have help, we have kids, they 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.480 go to sleep away camp. Not I'm very maternal though, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.559 you know, contrary to popular belief in the Bravo world. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.800 Because people think you're maternal on the world. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.600 In our inner circle, okay, but in because I don't 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.360 you know, put my kids on television everything else. People 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.959 don't Joe knows. I'm like a hoverer, right, What am 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:52.240 I like? 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.040 Yeah? Never end it? Does it? 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.600 It? No? I mean I know your relationship. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.360 Yeah with my son and yes, and then Jane and 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.280 I had a son together, which you know, we're not 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:01.920 going to say names because I don't like to put 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.280 it out there. Yes, and same thing. I think, you know, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.080 it's very hard when you have children someone and I 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.719 think the thing with you knows though, I think he 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:17.560 was his amazing father, very devoted father. I said to him, 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.400 you know, you got the father thing so perfect, you know. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.839 The second time, Ra'm I don't think it got the 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.679 husband thing perfect. And I'm not insulting. It's just you 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:26.440 talk about Joe. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.400 Or Jam Jam Jams, not the husband thing. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:30.400 Joe's perfect. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.360 Yes, I'm obsessed with agreed. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:33.120 Do I not say it? 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:34.040 Yes? 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.920 Yes? Never Ever. In the last few weeks, have I 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.560 not had a new found obsession again? 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.560 Yeah, I don't understand. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:41.559 I love that I have. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:42.320 I've been trying. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.880 I've been like, you're unbelievable. I've had a new found obsession. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.280 I've been he's watching all these MOPI movies, I think 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.000 that's what it is. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.439 But I you know, but I do. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.959 I'm happy the life I had the first time. I 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.800 had a beautiful life, a beautiful family. You know, it 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.080 was great. But we did grow apart. I think I change. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.640 You change as you get older. Yeah, I don't regret anything, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:10.160 but you know, I wanted something different. We were combative. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.680 You know, you're either one of you thinking of divorce 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.520 before you met each other. Were you gonna sit it out? 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:15.640 Oh? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.160 You both were in that mind test? Yes, oh absolutely? 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.160 Did you talk about it with your exit. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:20.680 I mean I was. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.679 Definitely in therapy, couples therapy. We were in therapy. We 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.959 had issues. I did not you know, I was married 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.520 twenty years long, which is a long time because I 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:32.200 was a young girl. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.480 It's a long time. I'm learning all this stuff. I 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:35.320 thought I knew it all. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.839 Yeah, I was a young I mean I was with 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.640 him twenty years. Maybe I was married eighteen or the twenty, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.439 you know, but we were together. I was twenty four. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.120 I didn't move out till I was forty four, right, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.600 but we I was with him a very long time, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.199 and I did you know Joe's kids had gone to college. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.000 But yeah, we we had known each other for years, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.439 for years really, yeah, but we never. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.559 Not as like as like sort of acquaintances. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.480 Was there a spark when you guys like, was there 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.839 always a flirtation going on when you saw each other? 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.440 No, never a flirtation. Inter see each other parties. We're 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.319 friends with this lovely gay couple who were decorators and 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.360 Turier designers, Marco and Chris and Marco right, okay who 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:16.640 you know broke up also? 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:17.120 Right? 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:18.000 Yeah? 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.720 And so you would see each other with your exes, yes, okay, Yes, we'd. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.160 Be at parties. Joe's wife would never go to My 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.199 wife never went. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.400 Well maybe maybe once a dinner for Marco's dad. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.880 Yeah, And then we would see each other at these events, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.880 and Joe and I would always chu, you know, just nicely. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.040 But then years later I needed work done in my home. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.280 Yeah, and you had some work done in your home. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.560 I had some work done in my home. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.280 But all my guys used to do work for Chris. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.720 We used to do he was like a big decorator, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.680 so we would do entire homes. So it was basically 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:58.000 written apart and make beautiful edifices. Right, And so they 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.079 told me and I don't really pay attention to names. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.679 My brain is dead. So they told me we were 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.439 going to go over Margaret's and I said, Margaret, Well Margaret, No, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.120 I said, who know? Hells Margaret. I didn't remember. And 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.240 they were like, no, no, you know who she is. 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.199 And I was like, no, I really don't. And we 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.440 went into some house and I'm walking around the house 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.319 with my notepad and I'm just making notes. I'm like, well, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.280 we're going to do this, this, this, this, this, and 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.719 then she came down the stairs and it came to 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.000 me who she was and that was that. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:27.199 What I was wearing. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.200 She was wearing a wife beater and no bra. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.080 I was wearing my pajaws, my fear of bro and pigtails. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:34.920 I can't pigtails. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.040 Let me just tell you, for all our listeners, that's 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.960 not that unusual Margaret. I've seen Margaret. We've all seen 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.079 Margaret to nowhere to know what she looks like naked. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.400 She's a very free spirit. Yes, And I came down to. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.880 My pajoh on bottoms like and the little ribbed tank 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.240 top and no bra. But any of you know what 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:50.080 that is, you guys. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.559 It's a very thin material. Yes, it is, So that 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.520 was it where you just hooked that well, my god, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:54.840 it was. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.120 Just about hooked right on the spot. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.040 But yeah, but it wasn't like all of a sudden, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.400 Oh my god. You know we developed a friendship. We 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.719 were both in bad marriages. You know, it's not like 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.959 all of a sudden, I'm like sleeping with Joe. It's not. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.280 That's not the way it happened. It was months and 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.360 months long time. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:22.920 I remember you told me a story that I actually 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.520 thought was very romantic, where you guys were in the 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.680 city walking across the street coming from pace. So tell 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:29.760 that story. I love that story. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:30.440 It is it is. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.560 It's complicated obviously because at that point that you guys 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.960 were both married, but it tells the story, and you. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.640 Know it was between you and it was and you know, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.080 I didn't think I was gonna have a weird went 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.200 to discuss work. I used to put up these displays 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:44.400 for business. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.440 She brought these plans that were like multiple pages, and 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.280 I really normally for work. I look at it. I 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.160 got the gist. I know what we're going to do. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.680 Now we don't have to talk about anymore. But I'm 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.000 looking at these plans, say. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.600 I was at the bar at noon at you or 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:03.280 a cocktail. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:04.440 I probably die. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.120 He's remembering, like the actual business of it. You're remembering, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.000 like the fact that is hard. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.160 Told me I thought it was odd I met went 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.280 to me in Pesties at noon and you ordered a cocktail. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.160 It's like, wow, that's so weird. He's wearing your cocktail 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.800 at noon. Well, anyway, I kept the shirt. I saw 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.280 the shirt I wore that day. It was a little 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.400 western shirt with little flowers. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.720 And it was but did you know at that point 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.160 where you're like, this is because but I. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.120 Wanted to look cute. And I remember I had platform 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.200 high heels and bell bottom jeans. Shocker. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:31.520 I don't remember what it wore. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.640 But you were having the cocktail, did you? Were you 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.000 a little or was it just Margaret bringing pages and 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:36.720 pages of plans? 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:36.920 No? 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.000 No, probably because I was meeting March. But I had 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.800 had World War four hundred and fifty got it that morning. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.200 I was so angered, I can't even tell you. And 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.240 I see Marge, and you know, of course I feel 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.080 better because she's March right, and Marge's we're talking and 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.200 she she knows me real well by then, and she 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.120 says what's the matter. And I was like, and I 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.720 tell her what happened, and then margin turn tells me 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.840 that she had fight number three hundred that morning, right, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.400 and and both of us were like, you know, like yet, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.240 it's almost as if the angst comes out of you now, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.800 you know. And then we settled down and we probably 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.600 didn't talk about the work anymore, right. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:20.920 And then what happened. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.680 We walked across the Oh that was freaking wild, So 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.160 you know, one of those once in a lifetime events. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.560 So it was I remember it was raining out and 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.920 she had some sort of kerchieff or whatever you call it, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.960 baby joke. Yeah, she put this anyway, she put over 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.240 both our heads, which I was like, I'm usually a 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.080 guy who I can stand in the middle of the 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.440 pouring rain and I don't know, I don't care. And 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.760 she puts over our heads and we're walking and she 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.920 has her normal six or ten inch high heels on it, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.680 and she stumbled and so I have fast reactions. I 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.880 caught her right and I pulled her into me social 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.040 wind fall and that was it. I was hit with 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.119 like an electric shock from my head to my toes 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.719 and I was like, holy, what is going on here, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.120 like the instant. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:21.600 I just got like I actually just got chills. It's 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.560 like the most beautiful, perfect love story, except that you 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:26.120 were both man. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.280 But like it was it, but that's it. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.520 But there is that like you can't it really didn't 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.240 matter that way. Yes, I know, you can't take away 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.440 that that was what was going on. No, it was, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.040 and I knew, like and I felt it too. I 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.760