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Speaker 1: It's I Do Part two. I'm one of your celebrity mentors,

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Speaker 1: Jen Fessler. You know me from the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: New Jersey and the podcast I co host to Jersey Jays.

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Speaker 1: I have been having so much fun on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: getting to chat with people who found love in their

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Speaker 1: chapter two and today my guests are my dear friends,

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Speaker 1: an amazing couple. Everyone loves them. You know them from

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New Jersey. Please help me welcome Margaret

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Speaker 1: Joseph's and Joe Binigno.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're so happy to be here. Hi,

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Speaker 2: you guys with our dear friend Jen Fessler.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have to say, so far, since I've started

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Speaker 1: hosting these I Do Part two, I've had only really

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Speaker 1: people that I love on Friends. Oh, I have those

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Speaker 1: farmers on who I did love them too. I have

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I have to listen to the fun Yes, who the farmer?

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Speaker 1: They are so cute, They're adorable. They're doing this new show.

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Speaker 1: But we digress. So we're here to talk about Margaret

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Speaker 1: and Joe. You guys, We're going to go through some

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Speaker 1: things for our listeners that things that I probably know

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Speaker 1: but they don't and I know things that you know

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Speaker 1: because we have a lot of viewers and listeners that

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Speaker 1: are not necessarily even housewives people. So, yes, is there anybody?

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody in this world?

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Speaker 2: And I understand it a lot of people don't watch.

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Speaker 1: Housewise, that's true. Well, yes, okay, So let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about to get to chapter two, we're going

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Speaker 1: to start with chapter one. So I want to know

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your first marriages, and Joe, let's

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Speaker 1: start with you. I don't know you know, however, much

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Speaker 1: you want to kind of reveal about what it was

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Speaker 1: like in your first marriage. How old were you when

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Speaker 1: you got married? How many kids?

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Speaker 3: I guess a brief synopsis would be, Yes, I was

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Speaker 3: married when I was thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: That's old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was old.

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Speaker 1: Jeff thirty six.

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Speaker 3: Was the last one of my friends. And I had

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Speaker 3: the first kid when I was thirty five. Okay, and

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Speaker 3: I have a son and a daughter, and one is

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Speaker 3: now thirty four. The other was thirty three, right three.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I love the ask, Margaret, you're me and

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Speaker 2: I didn't birth those you asking.

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Speaker 3: Over time, we grew apart, as couples do occasionally when

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Speaker 3: you have kids. When they have, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: stress involved with the children. Basically we were like we

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Speaker 3: were mostly separated for a few years before the divorce

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Speaker 3: because we lived like almost separate lives.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it was? I just think that you

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Speaker 2: were two different people. Just say, no, Joe, why didn't

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Speaker 2: you just be candids? You were very different people.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm going to be seventy years old this year

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Speaker 3: and my freaking brain don't want.

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Speaker 1: I don't even believe you.

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Speaker 2: No, impossible, No, why don't you just be very candid?

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Speaker 2: You were very different people.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you were extremely different before you

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Speaker 1: met Margaret. Was the marriage already? Were you already on

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Speaker 3: Yes, you were for a long time. I was. We

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Speaker 3: had way different ideas on basically everything. After the kids

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Speaker 1: So that is that was that sort of when it started,

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Speaker 1: like the separation between like.

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Speaker 3: know for us as a couple. Yeah, and it just

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Speaker 1: So interesting because I remember those thoughts going through my

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know how you guys felt, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe's so funny. He's like, he doesn't really

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Speaker 2: You're like, wow, we grew apart in the past.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, are you guys well jumping ahead, but are you

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Speaker 3: Oh, let me say this. My ex wife is buddies

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're very good only Margaret, Joseph Margaret.

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Speaker 2: It was important to me because we did not have

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Speaker 2: So that was you know that was and wait my

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Speaker 2: head is spinning over yet. Is that would be Joe's

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Speaker 2: son's ex wife, got it? Yes, which is great. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we love you know her and I both agreed. She

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Speaker 2: was never good enough for our for our son. Nothing

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Speaker 2: like us nat daughter, nothing like a nasty daughter. And

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Speaker 2: to bring the time together. Yes, my first husband, I

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Speaker 2: was madly I will be honest like I was. Well, Joe,

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Speaker 2: were you madly in love with her when you first

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was like your third engagement.

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Speaker 3: It was well, practice makes perfect.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Joe was not candid. You hared like numerous

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Speaker 2: engagements before you married.

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Speaker 3: I went out a real lot.

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Speaker 1: I was like a whore, really, man, Well, whore is

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Speaker 1: not I mean engaged? Whore is one thing? Joe, just

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Speaker 1: I have to I want to giggle a little bit

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Speaker 2: Care Joe's very his chair went all the way. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you're graceful about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to stand up. Yeah, there you go,

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Speaker 1: There you go. But I mean engagements, I mean I

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Speaker 1: believe it in terms of the horring, I had my

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Speaker 1: terms of engagement, so you were engaged twice before you

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Speaker 3: Twice or three times?

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Speaker 2: Joe, Joe was having what is going on here that

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Speaker 2: you're you're you're not remembering? Don't you get asked a

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Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Guys get out?

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Speaker 3: We get people ask us about how we miss. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know that's from from like that second forward.

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Speaker 2: So that's I was just thinking that that's easy to

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Speaker 2: I was thinking that broken engagements met his wife, they

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Speaker 2: got married. You know, Joe was a very nice I

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Speaker 2: think a devoted first husband and a devoted second husband.

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Speaker 3: But I think you were more devoted second husband.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's a nice thing to say. Oh he is,

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Speaker 1: he's a great husband. I can't I know, but even

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she would agree, But I mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what you would say.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think you were a good husband. You were good,

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Speaker 2: you were a good provider, you were home a lot.

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Speaker 2: You didn't go way. Let you want like a dirty

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Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, No, I can't believe you just had

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Speaker 1: dirty stay out. My best friend uses that expression all

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Speaker 2: You know, unlike your wife.

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Speaker 3: You know, my wife is a dirty stay out.

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Speaker 2: I love to stay out.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I was about to say, I know

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Speaker 1: you're talking about your ex wife to me, dirty stay

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't dirty. I'm gonna stay.

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Speaker 1: I stay my late nights.

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Speaker 2: I'm not dirty.

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Speaker 3: I know I call it a dirty stay out because

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Speaker 3: she's not home supper with me.

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Speaker 1: No, yes, that's you guys. My head is I have

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Speaker 1: as you're saying that, I would know. I wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: like how Joe always wants you to be there at

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Speaker 2: And I'm not doing the airport pickup. I never I

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Speaker 2: think it's rude that he even asks. But I know

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Speaker 3: It happen twice.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's nice to ask. Again, don't even ask.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking a car service. Would I want someone to

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Speaker 2: airport service. I'm not wasting for yes, exactly, I'm not sring.

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Speaker 1: I digress. Yeah, I'm digressing. So you and Jan were

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was really crazy for him. Yes, I think

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Speaker 2: maybe the good husband part. You know, I missed out

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Speaker 2: but he was controlling, he was older, you know, and

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Speaker 2: he was a great guy, you know. But it was

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Speaker 2: the second wife. I've never been a first wife, right,

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Speaker 2: So the you know, I was younger. I was twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He was forty four. Wow to twenty years when you

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Speaker 2: probably told me that, But twenty four is young. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I was twenty four. I moved on with him when

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Speaker 2: I was twenty four, he was forty four. I had

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Speaker 2: a beautiful family, beautiful life. I had full time help.

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Speaker 2: I had a very beautiful, privileged life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because it was I do. I thought I knew everything.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four I must have known twenty four to forty four,

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Speaker 1: Just real, quickly, just how did you meet a forty

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Speaker 2: Twenty I worked in the garment center, right, yes, dress designer.

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Speaker 2: He owned Joseph's brother's lace and embroidery. You know, very

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Speaker 2: you know, the Joseph's brothers. You know big in the

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Speaker 2: lace and embroidery. Okay, you know, garment center is very different.

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Speaker 2: He had just gotten divorced. You know. He looked younger,

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Speaker 2: but he was. He was a great father. He had

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Speaker 2: Age twenty four. I was delusional. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: no big deal. We have help, we have kids, they

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Speaker 2: go to sleep away camp. Not I'm very maternal though,

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Speaker 2: you know, contrary to popular belief in the Bravo world.

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Speaker 1: Because people think you're maternal on the world.

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Speaker 2: In our inner circle, okay, but in because I don't

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Speaker 2: don't Joe knows. I'm like a hoverer, right, What am

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Speaker 2: I like?

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Speaker 1: You both were in that mind test? Yes, oh absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And so you would see each other with your exes, yes, okay, Yes, we'd.

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Speaker 2: What I was wearing.

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Speaker 3: She was wearing a wife beater and no bra.

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Speaker 2: I was wearing my pajaws, my fear of bro and pigtails.

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Speaker 1: Let me just tell you, for all our listeners, that's

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Speaker 2: My pajoh on bottoms like and the little ribbed tank

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. You know we developed a friendship. We

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Speaker 1: It's complicated obviously because at that point that you guys

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Speaker 2: Know it was between you and it was and you know,

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Speaker 2: I was at the bar at noon at you or

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Speaker 3: I probably die.

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Speaker 1: But you were having the cocktail, did you? Were you

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Speaker 1: I just got like I actually just got chills. It's

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Speaker 4: But there is that like you can't it really didn't

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Speaker 4: This is crazy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is terrible, Like I don't know what to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, and it wasn't like, oh

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Speaker 3: It was like instant attraction. It was not sex.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was. Yeah, it wasn't a sexual thing.

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Speaker 2: with someone, it happens, they could recover from that and

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Speaker 2: There was no recovery. I get it, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Was it really quickly? But that you were like, we

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Speaker 2: That's not healthy for him. And I can't be with that, Joe,

442
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,680
Speaker 2: and this is no way and I can't live like this.

443
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 2: And you know, and I think you obviously felt the

444
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 2: same way.

445
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: Sure before you told your spouse's or had that discussion

446
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 1: which I want to talk about, But did you confide

447
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 1: in friends with anyone? And how did your friends react? Well,

448
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: my one friend totally did something horrible. My best friend

449
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 1: in the world, who I wrote about in my book,

450
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 1: the betrayal was unbair.

451
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 2: What did you do? This is terrible, you know, because

452
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 2: it was going to unravel her life. This is terrible.

453
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 2: You don't know this guy, you know, just horrible. So

454
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, this is all My My other

455
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: friends understood because they knew I was in a you know,

456
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: my marriage wasn't perfect and the rest of my life

457
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 2: life was and they were like, it's a big decision,

458
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: and they understood. My other friend was horrible, horrible.

459
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 1: Well, what can we tell, Like, just listeners, because I

460
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: have to tell you when Jeff and I separated and

461
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: we had come from infidelity and all of it. But

462
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 1: like my friends were always supportive. Well, thank god, let's

463
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: do what it's going to make.

464
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 2: You should not be judgmental because no one your life,

465
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 2: no one knows what's going to happen.

466
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 1: And I think.

467
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 2: To turn on your best friends. I mean, this is

468
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: someone who I they need you to her wedding and

469
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 2: I needed her the most, and to turn on me

470
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: she and I just want to say this. I was

471
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: so heartbroken. Her husband had said to me, you're driving.

472
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm watching you drive a runaway train. You're going to

473
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: wind up alone. You're going to have nobody. You're going

474
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: to be alone with your mother and your son on

475
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 2: a holiday, like really sick, sick, disgusting things. And it

476
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: was bit and I was like, you know, it's not

477
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: like I was in a perfect I was marriage and

478
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: everybody knew that. They knew I had a great life

479
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: and a beautiful thing. But I was like, Jan deserved

480
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: to be happy as well. He deserved to be someone

481
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: who is mainly and on a great team. We were

482
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: in therapy. You know, he obviously was not as happy

483
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: with me either. He wanted some as much as he

484
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: loved me, he wanted me to be different. I was spontaneous.

485
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: I'm crazy. You know what I mean that you know

486
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Joe could is a spontaneous person. He could accept my spontaneity,

487
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: he could accept my risk taking live life on the edge.

488
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: Jan was risk adverse. He was happy with I get that,

489
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: Like I have that, Jeff.

490
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why we work is

491
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: because he looks at me like Joe looks at you like, yes,

492
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: well I don't know what the guy stepped into here,

493
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: but but but it is.

494
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: But it is entertaining. Yes, he's the man behind the woman.

495
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: He loves you and no matter you know, yes, you know. Yeah,

496
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 2: as much as Jan found me, he could not tolerate. Yeah,

497
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean he was gonna blow his brains out.

498
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: I get that. Made that's so interesting.

499
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: So it just so my one friend, really one of

500
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: my bad really turned on me, right Jeff, that's really

501
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 2: I have to say, Like no, and got involved with

502
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: my children. That's sick and caused a lot of family tumult. Well,

503
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 2: you know something, I will.

504
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: Say that when Jeff and I got back together, I

505
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: did have a couple of friends. They didn't say it,

506
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: they said it to be supportive, but they said, Jen,

507
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: you have you really given yourself a chance, like you're

508
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: getting back together already just because it didn't work out

509
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: with this boyfriend. How do you know that there's not so?

510
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: But I knew, Like that's why maybe you just have

511
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: to trust yourself, like you want to talk to your

512
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: friends and be able to get the input. But I think,

513
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: at least for me, I think for you to, like

514
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to be with Jeff, like

515
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: this was as done.

516
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: Exactly and why you were leaving your boyfriend to go

517
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: be with Jeff, right, which I thought.

518
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: Was But also but like there's whatever your friends are

519
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and I think it's hard,

520
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: but especially in a scenario like this when you're on

521
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: your second time around or there's infidel, like you have

522
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: to trust yourself no matter and ditch any friends.

523
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 2: And this was you know, and I get a lot

524
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: of flack people like you cheated, get you that's the way. No,

525
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't about that. It was about I knew I

526
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: didn't want a life of being unfaithful or being something

527
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: like that, or being unhappy. I want to be with

528
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: someone who was a partner who you know, was just

529
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 2: as crazy for me as I was for them, who

530
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: accepted me for you know, my flaws and all and

531
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: and that we were a team. Yeah, and I you know,

532
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: and as much as Jane and I were a team

533
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: for the family, we weren't a team for each other.

534
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

535
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wasn't you know, I wasn't on his

536
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: page either. You know, I didn't agree with a lot

537
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: of things he did, you know, as much as he

538
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: agree with me. Sof and Joe and I were a team.

539
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: I love that, well, Joe. I mean, guys won't always

540
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: have the friendships that that we do. But do you

541
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: have friends supporting you? How is that I have?

542
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: I have a lot of acquaintances, and I have maybe

543
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: on a handful of really true friends, and they stood

544
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: by you, and they're true friends, Like, no matter what

545
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: I would want to do, they would want it for you.

546
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: Bill go and they backed me. And some of them

547
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: told me I was, you know, like I was an idiot,

548
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: But you know, whatever you want to do, that's what

549
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: we're going to do.

550
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: Okay. One friend told him he's an idiot in front ofhip.

551
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: Even funnier, No, he goes like this, He's like Joe,

552
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: that girl's high maintenance written all over her. But is

553
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: that like and he goes, he goes, is that what

554
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: you want, He goes, she is more than high maintenance.

555
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: To I was, she was livid, I was living.

556
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: I go that that's the first thing he says about me.

557
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: We talked to him anymore?

558
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, okay, of course.

559
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: Actually, you know, I don't think it's a big deal,

560
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because I mean, you're they're

561
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: real friends that they are looking out for you. But

562
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: like the friend that you describe Margaret is not a friend.

563
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: Is that like that's supposed to mean?

564
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it means, it means it. It accurately describes you.

565
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's an insult. It is, but

566
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: it's just like, so what is that accurate? Yes, that's

567
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: supposed to be a turn off, right, high maintenance? Clearly not.

568
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: I want somebody who's maintained.

569
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's not exactly what it means.

570
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Expensive? Yeah?

571
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: And I knew that that's what we were getting.

572
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yeah, I am expensive, and I work a

573
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: lot and never really very well, I just had a

574
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: business and everything else.

575
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: Yes, well guess what, I was expensive and I didn't

576
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: work a lot or do everyone less. Thank you, Yes, exactly,

577
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: thank you. And there's nothing wrong with well, okay, like

578
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: the economy, listen, this is a hard one. We're going

579
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: to just talk about it. It's okay quickly because I've

580
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: had a hard time answering these questions. And I wasn't divorced,

581
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: I was just separated. But the kids, how did you

582
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: tell the kids?

583
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

584
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: That was the worst day.

585
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: I know, I remember my own day when we told

586
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: them that we were separating. But anything that you want

587
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: to tell us about, you know, for people that are

588
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 1: either going into part two or dealing with this kid's thing,

589
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: any advice or any you.

590
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: Yours wasn't as rough for something off the hook so easy.

591
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: Really, it was very difficult. How old your kids were

592
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: a little older My kids were probably she's eighteen and

593
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: twenty hard age.

594
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: No, and the okay, that's very hard, but they were.

595
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: Both starting their their lives doing things. My son.

596
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: You were closer with your kids, I feel they than

597
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: your ex wife was.

598
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: Did you guys tell the kids about each other or

599
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: just that you were going to get separated or divorced?

600
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: My kids knew. My kids knew that, not that I

601
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 3: was with Margaret that I but like I was friends

602
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: with Margaret. They knew that. And then at some point,

603
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: what are you making face work?

604
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: So they moved right into a beach house. But that's

605
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: a whole the story.

606
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not.

607
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: They figured it out. They figured it out, yes, yes

608
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: and no.

609
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: And then at some point my ex wife did burst

610
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: into the room where the kids were with me, and

611
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: she's screaming about life in general. And the kids are

612
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: looking at her, looking at me, and you know, they're

613
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: basically looking at me for it, like what's up with her? Right?

614
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: You know?

615
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Because she was so off the.

616
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: Charts, they weren't They knew they weren't happy.

617
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my kids knew we weren't happy. And to

618
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: be honest with you, they you know, my wife wasn't

619
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: happy with the three of us.

620
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: So right, okay, uh, I mean yeah, okay, your kid's

621
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: situation wasn't is I think his situation they were living.

622
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you were living separate lives even before I

623
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: got in the picture.

624
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: Oh by far?

625
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

626
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a shock to the kids.

627
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: Mine was a disaster. Okay. It was heartbreaking. Its separated

628
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: my family, you know what it was my I had

629
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: a beautiful family life, even though they knew I PHO

630
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: j in. So mine was the worst day of my life.

631
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: I could start crying now just thinking about it. Yeah,

632
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: it was horrible. My older kids were older. My son

633
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: was only fifteen. He was going away to a summer.

634
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: And they had no idea.

635
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: They knew things weren't good, but they really were like

636
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: they couldn't believe it. They were just so devastated. And

637
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: they were I mean, I'm saying like late twenties, early thirties.

638
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: They were my step kids, and they had to freak out.

639
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: And my son was like fifteen, very very upset, very upset.

640
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: So Joe and I went, I said, you know, we're separating,

641
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: We're probably getting divorced. I went to live with Joe

642
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: for that summer Manilocan in a beach house.

643
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: Jan didn't handle it either.

644
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: When he handled it terribly, He handled it absolutely terribly,

645
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: and really, you know, didn't want to take any responsibility

646
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: on his part. It wasn't about Joe, you know, Joe

647
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: was Eventually we were going to get divorced anyway. I

648
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: think Joe was like a catalyst, Yep, I think it.

649
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: He moved along quicker and we were meant to be

650
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: clearly meant to be together. This is so many years later,

651
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: and then you know, two of my kids didn't speak

652
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: to me for a very long right, we're very devastated,

653
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: but they had trauma from their own life because you know,

654
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: they didn't their mother wasn't in their life and had

655
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: left them. And I think it was like a form

656
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: of abandonment, even though I wasn't leaving my kids, and

657
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, they were grown adults. Of course, my son,

658
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: who was fifteen the time, believe it or not, understood

659
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: more really because you live with us all the time.

660
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: And then, god, I just it's it was the hardest

661
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: day of my life, the day of separated, so brutal.

662
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: It's brutal. I mean, I was sick. Remember I was

663
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: crying on the beach all the time.

664
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Fourth of July.

665
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: I'd always be with my family in the Hamptons, but

666
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: I was a man, alogan. I was sick. I was

667
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: throwing Oh god, you know it was. It was a

668
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: very hard time. But I knew I could not sacrifice

669
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: my life. If I wasn't good for me, I couldn't

670
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: be good for the rest of my kids or my family.

671
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yeah, I know exactly what

672
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: you mean. I mean when we told our kids I was.

673
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't just you couldn't just keep going it just that,

674
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: they say. I've heard people say that, like you get

675
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: divorced when you're at the point where the money doesn't matter.

676
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: It's not that the kids, because obviously the kids matter,

677
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: but living like that is the only thing. You can't

678
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: live like that another day. I mean, so, yeah, it

679
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: matter for me. I walked out of that door and

680
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: I gave up my house. I gave up I wound

681
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: up paying alimony. You're still paying alimony? How many more

682
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: checks you have left?

683
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: Not many?

684
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: The exact number? No, let me tell you. No, he

685
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: knows the exact number. He writes the number on the

686
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: bottom of everyone just to give her.

687
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't get it. It goes to the state.

688
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: But you know what, I live for that level of petty. Yeah,

689
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: Joe's pettier. Yeah? Come on now, all right, Joe, Joe,

690
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: who's pettier? You were me? Oh?

691
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: I can hold a grudge till the end of freaking

692
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: time and hate you like that.

693
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So all you listeners who are Housewives fans, that

694
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: is not at all what you would think. He Joe, Ben,

695
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: you come off as your sugar on the show he is.

696
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: He's very sweet, but he can be crossy.

697
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: You know, he's like you know, he's been paying alimony

698
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: a long time.

699
00:30:47,080 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: At this point, listen, you are divorced, and it sounds like, well, well,

700
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: if Margaret is friends with your ex, you have to

701
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: be at least friendly with her now No, oh oh,

702
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: well I was hopeful.

703
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: No, not really. I don't. I rarely text anything with her, okay,

704
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: And I don't get involved with stuff unless my kids

705
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: call me and say, oh my god, this is happening.

706
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: And my daughter recently called me up and said I

707
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: had to go do something about it.

708
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: I had a beautiful relationship with my excess. I know

709
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: he did know, and he passed away, but you know,

710
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: and he took it much worse with the divorce because

711
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: Joe's wife actually wanted the divorce.

712
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: She wanted a divorce. Wow.

713
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Would you guys have any advice to give in terms

714
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: of there's really nothing. I don't know if there is

715
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: any advice that you can give for people telling their kids.

716
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have any.

717
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: I think you have to be don't give any dirty details.

718
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody should discuss infidelities. I don't think

719
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: anybody needs to know that. You don't have to be

720
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: brutally honest, but I think just enough that we love

721
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, we love each other. It's just not working out.

722
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with you.

723
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: You know, you say that to the CADG Yes, I wish,

724
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: I wish I had a parent who had I went

725
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: through as a kid a lot of doors. My parents

726
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: were both divorced multiple times. But I remember one of

727
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: them and a stepfather saying to me and to my sister,

728
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: she's cheating.

729
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: No, it is right.

730
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: I would just say, like, you know, when Jeff and

731
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I separated, no blaming and there was no blaming. There

732
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: was only propping each other up. I mean that's what

733
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I would suggest.

734
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: That like what it is, and I think that's don't

735
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: you think that's the most important thing that that doesn't happen.

736
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: No, it does not. I heard through the grapevine that

737
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: all these accusations on my part, which were all false

738
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: sight I was. I heard through a grapevine that I

739
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: had cheated from the day we were married.

740
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: You never you're like a goodye two shoe who said that?

741
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Did your kids think that?

742
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: No, my kids know me.

743
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's what was spreading that around.

744
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: Sure, that's the story I got back.

745
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: Wow, See that's what That's what upset me because there's

746
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: one thing. Listen, I could be a lot of things,

747
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: but I was very, very devoted to my kids and

748
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: my my family. That in my entire life, I was

749
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: devoted to my in laws, everything else. I was also

750
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: a very doting wife. Granted I did cheat on my hut.

751
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: I did.

752
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: It's a fact I did.

753
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: But so did I by the way, I mean not first.

754
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: You know, that doesn't and that doesn't mean that doesn't

755
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, there's worse things you could do. It doesn't erase,

756
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't erase it. All devotion, there's a tation everything else.

757
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: So I felt, you know, very upset that, you know,

758
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: my ex husband, Jan you know, did not handle it

759
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: really correctly. Yeah, because he kind of, you know, made

760
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: himself out like he was a very much victim, a victim,

761
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: and I was like, you got you gotta dial it back,

762
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, I go, come on. But to the world

763
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: and everyone else, he's like, it looks like you went

764
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: on to this beautiful life. You know, your business was

765
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: doing great, you moved to this great house, then you

766
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: got on TV, you know, and to the world looked

767
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: like Margaret had everything and poor and poor Jan and nothing.

768
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Well that's not true, right, you know. And I was

769
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: saying Jan, you know, Jan got my whole house. Jane

770
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: got out, you know, but everybody was like poor you know,

771
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: in the in the public eye or whatever it was,

772
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: or in everybody else's eye, was like poor Jam. But

773
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: Jan didn't have to work.

774
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: I relate to everybody did that, even though Jeff had

775
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: an affair when I I ended up leaving, and everyone

776
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: was like poor Jeff, which is so interesting, even including

777
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: my mother.

778
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, so yeah, which is upsetting, you know, just

779
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: like you know, my other friends infl But I think

780
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: the kids, you know, were like they saw their father

781
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: sad and then they did you know, and no, but

782
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: I felt bad, listen. I even felt bad for Jan.

783
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: I think I had some weird guilt for years myself.

784
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: I was just like, because he would call me, I mean,

785
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: he didn't know how to use the printer, legit, He'd

786
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: come to our house and Lexi and I would do

787
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: the print right. Yeah, but then he met a beautiful

788
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: woman who was It's very bizarre. It was who was it?

789
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Joe?

790
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: My wife's best friend.

791
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: What Yeah? And they started dating.

792
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: Wait what yeah?

793
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: I thought I knew you. What are you talking about?

794
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Just making this up?

795
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: No?

796
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: No, no, Jan's girlfriend when he passed away had been

797
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: dating Joe's ex wife's best friend for three years.

798
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: Wow. And I know they were crazy about each other.

799
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: You crazy?

800
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: And they met each other on a dating site. And

801
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: the funny thing is the first time I met her,

802
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: I was like, what are you doing here?

803
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 4: Oh?

804
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: And then you saw her through Jan.

805
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

806
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: That is the weirdest thing, isn't that the weirdest thing? Well,

807
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: she knew because she knew of it because they went

808
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: on a date. And then of course Jam was like,

809
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: my ex wife she's on Housewives, you know, saying like that,

810
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: and he and she was like, and he goes, you know,

811
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: she left me for the you know, he gave this story.

812
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, she was day in the contract and she goes,

813
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: is your ex wife married to Joe b Enigno?

814
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: And then she said it, shit, how did your ex

815
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: take that? She at the end of their friendship.

816
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't think they liked it. I don't know.

817
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: She know she didn't like it. No, she told me

818
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: she didn't like it. It kind of they weren't as close,

819
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: they weren't really friends after that.

820
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, it's so funny, like it's just so

821
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: much there's so much heartache. But to get to where

822
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: you are now, I mean, I think about that so often,

823
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Like with part two, I think about sometimes you guys,

824
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. But my grandparents were so

825
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: miserable at the end of their lives. Like I guess

826
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: that back in the day, you know, the woman was

827
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: responsible for the kids, the house you had to come in,

828
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: and my Nanna was to say to me, there always

829
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: had to be a meat and a vegetable, starch and whatever,

830
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: and but there was so much resentment built up that

831
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: at the end of their lives they just couldn't stand

832
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: each other. And I think to myself, like, while divorced,

833
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it. I'm sure neither one of you.

834
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not a party. But now you're at

835
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: the point in your lives you're older, and you are

836
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: enjoying your life with this person that you love, and

837
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: all the heartache, I'm happy to say here you are.

838
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are people that regret it, but.

839
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: I think that some people make it through and they

840
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: love each other till the end of the time. On

841
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: first marriages, you know, like they meet, you hear people

842
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: they meet in high school and get married. I have

843
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of kids, and life is good and for

844
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: a lot of other people, and I think the majority

845
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 3: of Americans is much better the second time around.

846
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, I'm on my second whatever

847
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: sort of but like, yeah, you know, it's but whatever

848
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: it is like now, especially as I as I get older,

849
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in an unhappy marriage at our ages.

850
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: You know, you just a I don't suffer. Well, that's right,

851
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: like the white lotus.

852
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: Yes, women, Yes, I.

853
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Can't be in comfort. She said that. I dies like

854
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: I could not be right.

855
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be uncomfortable. I'm too old to

856
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: be I would have to kill myself if I wasn't rich.

857
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: That was a classic line. Yeah, but I also do

858
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: feel it, and I think sometimes I'm feeling emotional lately

859
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: because I'm just like looking back on my life and

860
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: everything we did to get here, and you know, everything

861
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: I've been through, you know, and I had, you know,

862
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: I reminisced I had a beautiful life the first time,

863
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: but I, you know, and that was the time I

864
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: raised my kids and everything else. But the part two

865
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: of my life, you know, is about you know, my

866
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: kids are up and out.

867
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: It's about you.

868
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: It's about me and my husband and you know, and

869
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: my dog, especially dog.

870
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: God. Well let's put them in the correct order. It's

871
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: about you, your dog, Lexi and joke. Yeah, yeah, yes, no,

872
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: And it's.

873
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Just like and and mother and before me.

874
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh sorry about that. No, but I'm just saying we

875
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: we do have a beautiful life together.

876
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: And a girl throw her into girl.

877
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to make sure I give us very checked.

878
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: I gave her number, by the way, but okay, go on.

879
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I totally get so.

880
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times I do get emotional.

881
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm sitting on the sofa watch that I start

882
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: crying because I'm just like, oh my god. I do

883
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: feel like it is the second chapter. But I feel

884
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: like we're in like the last leg.

885
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah we are. I mean I'm putting myself in there.

886
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: We are, right, and I have a lot of gratitude

887
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: now I do too, are.

888
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: Just like look at you, you just you know, you

889
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: just got your beaches.

890
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just gratitude just to have being

891
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: a happy marriage, because so many people are not.

892
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: No, exactly like I called you. How many times a

893
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: day did we talk on the phone?

894
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: Quite a few, and best friends.

895
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I called Joe constantly. You know, we shower together,

896
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: and that's not code for sex.

897
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: No sort of it, unfortunately, No, no, no, no, no, no,

898
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: don't we.

899
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: Don't have sex. And the show we're just like even

900
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: though we built two shower heads, he insists on, just

901
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: like going under my shower head.

902
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: It's our shower head.

903
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, okay, So having said that, because that's

904
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: like still honeymoon base, I was gonna ask you, guys, like,

905
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: now you move into the beach house and you're actually together,

906
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: was there ever any like we whoa, whoa? What have

907
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: we done?

908
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Was there ever any ever?

909
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: None of that, not once, not a day. I just

910
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: knew that that's what had it was. This was kind

911
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: of be meant to be, meant to be.

912
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with him from the beginning.

913
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that.

914
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sending you're obsessed with me from the beginning.

915
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: I am obsessed with you.

916
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: I'm not.

917
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed he is.

918
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: That's actually a fact so tell me now a little

919
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: bit about your feelings on and this is sort of

920
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: a making a sharp write or sharp lit. But let's

921
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: talk prenups for a moment, because I just had Dlorus

922
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: and Paul on and we spoke a little bit about them.

923
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: I spoke a little bit about my idea. I feel

924
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: like now, I think prenups are fabulous invention. But everyone

925
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: feels differently about them. How do you guys feel about them?

926
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't see a need for it.

927
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: No, I see a need for prenups with certain people.

928
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: I think people need a prenup.

929
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: I don't need a prenup.

930
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: Joe and I didn't do a prenup, but I do

931
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: agree with pren ups.

932
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: We did.

933
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Listen, we're very specific with our estate planning though. Yeah,

934
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I think the estate planning is super super important, right.

935
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Which is when you say state planning, you're saying like

936
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: that right when you croak and but but and that

937
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: you have you know that no matter what, this is

938
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: what you want.

939
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: We're very big. The way we did it is we're

940
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: very big with separating the life insurance is who's getting what.

941
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: We did that kind of planning.

942
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: For our second time because kids, because so many.

943
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: We own separate things, Joe own's apartments. This we set

944
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: everybody up the right way. We planned it that way.

945
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I have so many friends who also they they've lost

946
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: a parent and then there's a step parent involved, and

947
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: that just becomes a total night.

948
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Now we we have everything in writing. Who's getting what,

949
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: what's happening? So all the children, No, one's fighting over everything.

950
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: The dog gets everything.

951
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, everything goes to everything. No, so we

952
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: you know, we arranged things that way. Yeah, yeah, tell,

953
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: But I do believe in a prenup. I mean, obviously

954
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: certain people should have gotten you know, but we got together.

955
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: I mean I was super you know, though I've had

956
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: taken some hits. I mean I had a very big

957
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: thing when we got to we're both equally as successful

958
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: when we got together. You own a lot of real estate.

959
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: I had a big business, you know.

960
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were like, well, if I was, if

961
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: I had to do it again, if I was doing

962
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: it again, there would be pre nups.

963
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: If there was.

964
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm not say because I'm such a millionaire even but

965
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: I just think things get so messy, and they do.

966
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: They do, And I agree with I definitely agree with

967
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: the prenup, but we did more post nuppy kind of

968
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: a most.

969
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: Right, we didn't do any pre and and then we

970
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: just figured on, well, the kids got to be taken

971
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: care of.

972
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we made sure of that and we have

973
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: everything in writing for the kids.

974
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

975
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: I love that.

976
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: So just to touch on this very briefly, but when

977
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: jam passed away, which is what two.

978
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Two years ago to uh? Was it three years ago?

979
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: It'll be three years in August, yeah, three years.

980
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Right, And you talked about it a little bit on

981
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: the show. But how Joe supported you through that? Yes,

982
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: if you want to just give us just an idea

983
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: of well.

984
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Marge was going through extreme grief. It was her.

985
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Did that make you feel anyway?

986
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: I felt empathetic towards her grief and how she felt

987
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: and how her son and I didn't know the step kids,

988
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: so the other ones felt well one Brett and so

989
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: you just support how she wants to deal with it.

990
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: If she had decided to deal with it by not

991
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: dealing with it, I would have supported that too. But

992
00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: we ended up having shivers, not of funerals. No, what

993
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: do you say that? We had the shiva?

994
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: The non jew at You're Italian.

995
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, at my house, so and it was fine, just

996
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: like have everybody over.

997
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: And No, you were so supportive.

998
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, I had known jan for years and you

999
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: were friendly with him.

1000
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was friendly. We're best buddies. Aren't going out

1001
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: camping together, but right, you know, we we could. We

1002
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: went out to dinner a few times. He was fine

1003
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: and his girlfriend I knew forever, so right, it.

1004
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: Was just you know, it was shocking because he was

1005
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: the picture of health.

1006
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: So I think it was I ran five miles a day,

1007
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1008
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was so healthy. And you know what,

1009
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Joe was so supportive that, and that just shows what

1010
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: a great, confident, secure man he is an artist, because

1011
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean you were.

1012
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: You were more worried about that. If you guys did

1013
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: watch the show, Margaret talked a lot about feeling guilty

1014
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: that she was so sad. No, I was devastated.

1015
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: Now why I was so devastated. I knew Jansen some

1016
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: I'm twenty four years old, right, that's the first thing

1017
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: to watch the children and father children, I mean them,

1018
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: he was like by the time we're divorced, it was

1019
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: like having a crazy uncle, you know. Yeah, he was

1020
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: the witness to my life before I knew Joe, you

1021
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And it's like I knew him

1022
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: longer than anybody. So poor Joe, you know, had to

1023
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: deal with the hysteria. I mean, we have a picture

1024
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: of Jan hanging in my living room when Jan from

1025
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. It's I could start crying about that now.

1026
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: It's so you know, it's a weird thing to have

1027
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: that because Joe didn't. And I'm not insulting your relationship Jan.

1028
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: I had a different kind of relationship than him and

1029
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: his ex wife. Jan and I had a history of

1030
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: because he was so much older than me, you know

1031
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: what we had gone through. And I think Joe and

1032
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: his ex wife didn't have that kind of relationship, and

1033
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: his kids don't have that relationship with his ex wife.

1034
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: You're you know where my kids are obsessed with me,

1035
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: but they were equally as obsessed with Jan, don't you agree?

1036
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1037
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, no, I've read that. I was at that

1038
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: Shiva and not a happy time and your kids are

1039
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: so devastated.

1040
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: No so, and to this day, I mean, you know,

1041
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: we are so devastated. That was the one thing we

1042
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: were both, That was the only thing Jane and I

1043
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: agreed on was the kids. We're both obsessed neurotic wrecks.

1044
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: You know, Joe's not a neurotic wreck, right, Jane and

1045
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: I were neurotic.

1046
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's something to be said for that,

1047
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: because I'm a neurotic wrack and Jeff Essler's not.

1048
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff, Jeff is actually just like I am.

1049
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: He is.

1050
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: I know, that's a good commented someone who.

1051
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: Oft, yes, they do.

1052
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: They can't be too neurotic wres.

1053
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: No, no, because then that would be a disaster.

1054
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's probably.

1055
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: But it's just so interesting to note because I know

1056
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: that you were so worried about Joe during that time,

1057
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: and Joe was fine and worried about you.

1058
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he was so good, and I mean, like

1059
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: you know, and that was the one thing. I think

1060
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: he probably felt beat because he couldn't make it better.

1061
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: No one could make that better, you know. But I

1062
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, I'm very good also, and I

1063
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: and you're good this way, like you know, times grief,

1064
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: we make a lot of jokes, yeah, you know, which

1065
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: which does help you get through. Humor helps you get

1066
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: through things. I mean, yes, I mean when I went

1067
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: to the cemetery and I should not make a joke

1068
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: about this, and my my kids will kill me. But

1069
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: the only thing that gets me through I went with

1070
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: my son, and you know the headstone. I was not

1071
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: happy with the headstones.

1072
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: So you so you with the head rate right, you're

1073
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: not kidding, huh.

1074
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it said besides, it just was the

1075
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: first day before they even got the headstone. They spelt

1076
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: his name wrong, wrong, and they got the date wrong

1077
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: that he died. I was having a freak out. Of course,

1078
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: of course you are. I was like, I would likely

1079
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: say that this is like a Larry David episode. But

1080
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: then we go and it's you know, it's not the

1081
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: proper unveiling, and you know, my son and I go,

1082
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: it's the day died. I'm crying, it's sweating, it's August.

1083
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: It's this. It's that I'm going, we're putting the rocks where,

1084
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, with which the Jewish religioning, you know, and

1085
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: poor Joe's way for we're going to go to lunch

1086
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: afterwards whatever, And we go and we get there. My

1087
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: son doesn't want me to know what the headstone says.

1088
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: And I have nothing to do with it because I'm

1089
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: the ex wife, so I should have nothing to say.

1090
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: You don't know from that. Let's get real. Margaret doesn't. No, no,

1091
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: there's no I mean, come on, nothing nothing gets done

1092
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: without Margaret.

1093
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: But I but they're not gonna tell me what the

1094
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: headstune says, and everyone likes stepped out it. It says

1095
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: beloved you know, son, father, brother, life partner. Would you

1096
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: wanted to say husband? It could have said love of

1097
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: my life. It could have said if she wanted that,

1098
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, the girlfriend. It could have said anything like

1099
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: life partner, who approved this nonsense?

1100
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't think that was a little

1101
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: bit of transference there, like getting so upset about that

1102
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: when there was actually you're at the funeral of this.

1103
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't the funeral. It was it was last year.

1104
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: Oh it was the unveiling.

1105
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: It was like it was right before the unvailed. Oh okay,

1106
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: God's like life partner. Yeah, who puts that on a tombstone?

1107
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: And you made a scene.

1108
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: It was only myself and my son, Okay, it wasn't

1109
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: really the official une, Okay. I I mean then I

1110
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: started then I was like all right, he all right,

1111
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: he's listening.

1112
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that you're still worried about him in death. No, no, no,

1113
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: you wanted to be right.

1114
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be right. I said, like, I go,

1115
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: this is unacceptable. I go, this is And everyone did

1116
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: to change any any No, it did not change it.

1117
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: I well well know he is if we go to

1118
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: the cemetery, will be able to find it. No, I've

1119
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: complained to my other children. I was like, who said

1120
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: this is okay? It should be changed to love my life.

1121
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: I go, it doesn't have to say husband, because clearly,

1122
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: even though he was the husband of two women, you know,

1123
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: it was just you know, for the giryfriend could say

1124
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: love my life, right, Chris life partner.

1125
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: This is There's so many times when I'm like, that's

1126
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: so Margaret. This is just so Margaret. It is so

1127
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: marked like it's not even your problem. It was the

1128
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: girlfriend's problem.

1129
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: And so I just just said, what are you gonna

1130
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: do when I die? Stuffed me?

1131
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to put it next to my bear.

1132
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: Put it next to the bear. That's romantic. Change my appe.

1133
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: I love that were my good hair.

1134
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Obviously obviously we'll have Julius do it. So okay, you guys.

1135
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: A couple more things first, because again, whoever is out

1136
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: there listening to a ban of the show knows that

1137
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: Joe was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Yes, last season, thankfully, thankfully, thankfully,

1138
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: it was such early stages that nothing had to be done.

1139
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: But where are we at now, view.

1140
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: The doctors monitor me. They want to take tests constantly,

1141
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, but nothing's nothing's changed.

1142
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: Okay, good, thank god.

1143
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: It has not advanced. It's stage one, you know, they said,

1144
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: because Joe got it, you know, later in life, and

1145
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: they did a genomic test that his is very slow

1146
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: growing and it hasn't changed. So they're just going to

1147
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: keep in mind.

1148
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: My numbers dropped for some crazy.

1149
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: The ts A numbers p s as AA, his ts A.

1150
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: He could still get right through the.

1151
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 3: Air on that plane.

1152
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: He could get right on the plane with his p

1153
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: s A and his ts Okay, okay.

1154
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, the p s A numbers dropped for some crazy.

1155
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Which was fabulous news.

1156
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: But he is, you know, it was still there and

1157
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: but we're monitoring. I mean, it goes every six months.

1158
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So tell me what we've left out

1159
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: you guys, is there anything you want to tell our

1160
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: listeners in terms of things that you suggest advice, follow

1161
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: your heart.

1162
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: Marge's running for president.

1163
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: Marge should be. With everything's going on, I could do

1164
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: it one hundred times better.

1165
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 4: Job.

1166
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 2: There would be no tariffs, see that, see that people

1167
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: out of business. That's a whole other story.

1168
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to go now into what really counts you,

1169
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: guys the most out of all of this, housewise, what

1170
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: do you think of the show? Yes, what do you

1171
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: think about what's happening with the show?

1172
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: What do I think?

1173
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Is?

1174
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: I think it is ludicrous?

1175
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: No, Joe, you know what I think.

1176
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: I think Wait, I think Sorry, Marge, tell me why

1177
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: you think it's ludicrous, because.

1178
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: Not for anything. I mean, the show was on in

1179
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: like thirty some odd countries. We had the highest ratings everywhere.

1180
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: For the most part, the cast got along and meshed

1181
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: with each other most part well, I said most part well.

1182
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 3: And the people who didn't Mesh really did not film

1183
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: with us that much. So the show is i'd say,

1184
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: very successful. And I think that the management wherever, whether

1185
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: it was a production company or a brother of themselves,

1186
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: did not give us enough. We didn't get enough episodes.

1187
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: They had I think they had more than enough things

1188
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: go on that they could film and we were successful,

1189
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: and I think it's ludicrous for them.

1190
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: I think it got a little dark. I think it

1191
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: got a little dark. I understand, I'm jesting. We still

1192
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: had great ratings the dead of the summer, you know

1193
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: that the dead of the summer on a Sunday where

1194
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't feel like watching TV myself. I think our

1195
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: ratings were great, but I do think it is time

1196
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: for a little change up. Listen, we're close, we have

1197
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: close friendships with the other ways on the show. I

1198
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: think certain things turn too dark where people can't be

1199
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: around each other. That's a given.

1200
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Well, listen, don't you feel like now I'm watching Atlanta obviously. Yes,

1201
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: last our Sunday night that was talk about dark.

1202
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I think a few things, you know, and I

1203
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: think the social media leaks, social media league terrific. I

1204
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: think things happened. Uh, I'm kind of enjoying my you

1205
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: know break, you know, but it was a big part.

1206
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: You know, it was a you know, you were on

1207
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: a little bit but you can't compare time, but it

1208
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: was a big part of your life, even the short

1209
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: time as a friend of as a bad because it

1210
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: takes over. It does take over, so it is but

1211
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the time with the people I love. Yeah you, Melissa,

1212
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: Rachel Dolores, you know what I'm saying.

1213
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: And before that, though years that before us, you are

1214
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: still loving it.

1215
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: I still love it, even though I you know some

1216
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: parts I could you know. I love my crew, I

1217
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: love the production. You know, I love being part of

1218
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: the brother film. But you know, nothing less forever. That's

1219
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: the other thing, nothing less forever. It's a part of

1220
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: my life, it's not my whole life.

1221
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Do you want it? I know you're asked this constantly

1222
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: because I'm asked it constantly, and I'm not. I don't

1223
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: haven't been on the show for the time that you

1224
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: have or had the impact. But do you want it

1225
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: to come back? If you do, what do you want

1226
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: to see?

1227
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: Of course, listen, I never want to see Jersey go away.

1228
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: I think it's just such an iconic show. I'd like

1229
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: to come back in a fun way. I think people

1230
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: want it. But if it I would have liked to

1231
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: go out on more and be high. Yeah, you know

1232
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, as opposed to the way it did,

1233
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: so I would love that.

1234
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I mean again, like you've

1235
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: been people recognize you that don't recognize me. You've been

1236
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: doing this for way longer. But don't you feel like

1237
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: everyone seems to want it so badly?

1238
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: Yes, everybody.

1239
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's like everyone else everyone When.

1240
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: I look at it this way, Also, Atlanta went away

1241
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: for a few years and came back. Yeah, and maybe

1242
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: some new alliteration. I don't think a total reboot would happen,

1243
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: but we'll see what happened. Yeah, you know, and I

1244
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: don't know where I'm going to be a year from now.

1245
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going to be a year

1246
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: from now. No one knows what's going to happen a

1247
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 2: year from now, But you know, we'll have to see

1248
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: what happens. That's kind of the way for you know.

1249
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean I was on it the past two years,

1250
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: and I want to not like I just missed the show,

1251
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: like forget me on it?

1252
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: Like what now?

1253
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: What is going to happen? Where is Margaret?

1254
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Where is Like? I think everybody's life is going to

1255
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: change and new things are going to happen to everybody,

1256
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: and I think there'll be new stories.

1257
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: There's something about Jersey, right, and I'm reading other you

1258
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: are first and foremost, Yes, something about Jersey.

1259
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: There's authentic.

1260
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: Friendships and relations people say the family thing, and of

1261
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: course I'll talk about Melissa and Teresa and there is that.

1262
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know if something's in

1263
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: the water in Jersey. I think that just made the

1264
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: show so addict.

1265
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 2: I think people are very authentic, you know. I think

1266
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: it's very authentic relate not a lot of airs maybe

1267
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: put on as much as there are and some of

1268
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: the other shows. I think it's authentic relationships. I mean,

1269
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: I even said with Beverly Hills, and I love Beverly Hills,

1270
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: Tales watching and everything else. You know, I don't know.

1271
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people don't say things is bluntly. Maybe

1272
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: we're more direct.

1273
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: Well when you say we, I know you mean you

1274
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: not as blunt as I am.

1275
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: You say things direct, well direct, you're more direct than them.

1276
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I am too. I mean, listen, it's

1277
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: something you have to get used to. I mean, I

1278
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever really had that, you never

1279
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: really had to get acclimated.

1280
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: You you went in with I was in business alone,

1281
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: right and working with men in this, that and the

1282
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: other thing. And you know, you don't get if you

1283
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: don't ask yeah the booth say well.

1284
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: The producer said to me before I started filming Season thirteen,

1285
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: your job is to say what you think. So things

1286
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: that you would never say now you say them. And

1287
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: that took a little getting used to for me to

1288
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: be able to articulate I think you're a fucking bitch

1289
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: like that. You know that's not a normal thing necessarily

1290
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: to say to somebody who you're friends with their wark

1291
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: rooms with. It's tricky, but you got the hang of

1292
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: it fast. It took me a little more time.

1293
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: Like I'd like to say, I know you do I

1294
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: like to say in my real life too, I know you.

1295
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: But then I like to move on very quickly because

1296
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't like to hold a grudge. Yes atle grudge holder.

1297
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm never crossing Djoe b Nigno ever ever ever, And

1298
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: I have.

1299
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 3: To put one more thing in. What people don't realize

1300
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: is on the show, they watched all of us talk, mingle, fight,

1301
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: get along, and now they're not filming. But the people

1302
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: who we were friends with on the show, we're still

1303
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: genuinely friends with. And that does not stop people we

1304
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: we are. We might argue and we make up, right,

1305
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: Jeff and I might go to someplace and we we

1306
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: do the same. We watch No, we never fight, but

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: we watched the girls like have a discussion about a

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: don I know, and we still do have it.

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Speaker 1: I do. I will speak for myself.

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Speaker 3: So when you're watching Jersey, they're really watching real life.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't change. The only difference is there's a camera

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00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: or not a camera. But it's exactly the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: We go to events together, we do fun things together,

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00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: our feelings get hurt. Yes, so I think it's just

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Speaker 2: I just recently went listen look just even on White

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Speaker 2: Lotus the female friendships, right, it's very accurate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, actually, except I hate all three of

1319
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: those bitches. So I didn't like one of them, did you?

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Speaker 2: I did, really betwe did like Cary Cohon. I did

1321
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: like Lori.

1322
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: I liked her the best. Yes, she was certainly the

1323
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: most authentic. I wanted to punch the other one in

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00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: the face, the pretty one, but they were all pretty.

1325
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. But the one there was like

1326
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: the movie star.

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00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like her.

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Speaker 1: Noxious woman.

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00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: I didn't like her either.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, you guys, I don't know how long we've been going,

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I could go on.

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00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: I think this was a great thing.

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. I just also want

1334
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: to say to listeners like, I don't know. It doesn't

1335
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: always work out like Margaret and Joe, but I don't know.

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I think it's such a it's so fabulous to hear

1337
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: a story like yours, to know that, like you went

1338
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: through hell, especially Margaret, as you were saying, like with

1339
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: the kids, and here you are.

1340
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: And now yes minus at six kids. Well everything was

1341
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: great with five Okay, on not so good. But you

1342
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: know what, I have adults at them all.

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00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, five, i'd say no, but I mean you're sitting

1344
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: on the couch crying because you're so grateful.

1345
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: And I think and I am so grateful, and Joe

1346
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: and I are. It's a it's a long time write.

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00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean even we didn't get married till twenty thirteen,

1348
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: but it's a long time.

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00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen. I mean there's something to be said

1351
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: for all of that. I love you both so much,

1352
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: love you, thank you for coming here, Thank you, thank you,

1353
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: and thanks to all the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah there you go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you both so much for coming on and

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00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: being so open, and thank you for all the advice

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Speaker 1: that you gave. It was, in my humble opinion, really

1358
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: great advice. So, listeners, are you going through a divorce,

1359
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Speaker 1: are you trying to navigate life after a breakup? Call us,

1360
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: email us, follow us on socials. All the information will

1361
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: be in the show notes. Make sure to rate and

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Speaker 1: review the podcast please. I do part two at iHeart Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where falling in love is the main objective.