WEBVTT - Episode 6: Quicksilver

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<v Speaker 1>This is an I heart original Newgate Jail was built

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<v Speaker 1>into the old Roman walls that had once bounded the

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<v Speaker 1>city of London. It had been a fixture of the

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<v Speaker 1>landscape since, and the interviewing years hadn't done much to

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<v Speaker 1>change its essential nature. Newgate was a horrible, horrible place,

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<v Speaker 1>full of desperation, damp, and disease. It was home to

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<v Speaker 1>highwaymen and murderers, rapists and thieves, as well as petty criminals, pickpockets,

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<v Speaker 1>and political activists who had fallen afoul of the establishment. Men,

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<v Speaker 1>women and children were crowded into the same words, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was no distinction between crimes. When William Challoner shuffled

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<v Speaker 1>into Newgate in August, heavy iron shackles at his ankles

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<v Speaker 1>and wrists, it was at least his third day in

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<v Speaker 1>London's most notorious prison, and by now he knew his

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<v Speaker 1>way around. Chalder's first objective would have been to get

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<v Speaker 1>some coins, some real, actual coin, into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>the jailer. To get those shackles off easy enough. Newgate

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<v Speaker 1>was so corrupt that the guards would allow robbers out

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<v Speaker 1>at night to go thieving in exchange for a cut

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<v Speaker 1>of the profits. Chalder's next job would have been to

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<v Speaker 1>sort out the basic necessities. Newgate was said to be

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<v Speaker 1>so filthy, so disgusting, that the floors were carpeted in

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<v Speaker 1>lice and bed bugs, and open sewer flowed through the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of it, and people sometimes tried to escape that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but not everyone survived. Typhus was so endemic, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was called jail fever. In the main cells, there were

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<v Speaker 1>no beds, just to fit a bare board or straw

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep on. The water was tainted, the food was spoiled,

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<v Speaker 1>and everywhere was cold, dark and airless. Chaloner would have

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<v Speaker 1>spent some more coin to procure a real betting and

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<v Speaker 1>better food, and maybe even some wine or beer. He

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<v Speaker 1>might have even gotten a cell to himself, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how much of his ill gotten coin he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>part with. That sorted, his next step was obvious, sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and figure out exactly what kind of mess he

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<v Speaker 1>was in and how to get out of it. There

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<v Speaker 1>would be a trial soon, maybe in a few months time,

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<v Speaker 1>and challenger, of course, had no defense attorney, no one

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<v Speaker 1>did he knew. The warden's case rested on the testimony

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<v Speaker 1>of Thomas Holloway, and though Halloway was his friend, his

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<v Speaker 1>long time accomplice, Chaloner knew that loyalty only went so far. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>Chaloner was loyal to no one but himself. But Joner

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<v Speaker 1>also knew that, beyond Holloway's testimony, the evidence Student had

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<v Speaker 1>on him was thin. Challenger's first move was to start

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<v Speaker 1>talking in the hopes of earning and out the same

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<v Speaker 1>way most other people did, informing he accused Aubrey Price

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<v Speaker 1>of several criminal acts, counterfeiting among them. Price had been

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<v Speaker 1>part of that convoluted plan that led to Challenger's arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem was Aubrey Price was already in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>a man of quote good parentage but poor morals. Evidently,

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<v Speaker 1>he was later executed for forging banknotes, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>capital offense. So that didn't work. But Chaloner had another plan,

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<v Speaker 1>one that involved removing Thomas Holloway from the picture. For

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio, I'm Linda Rodriguez, Mcrabbie and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Newton's Law and I heard original podcast episode six Quicksilver,

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<v Speaker 1>Act one Rotten Apple. While Shanoner was trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>a way out of his current jam, Newton was just

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<v Speaker 1>a three mile walk away through London's crooked, smoky, filthy streets.

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<v Speaker 1>He now lived in Westminster, much quieter, less smelly than

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<v Speaker 1>his home at the Mint had been. He sat alone thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton could have been reviewing all the depositions, all the

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<v Speaker 1>information he'd collected since he'd first scotten wind of challengers

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<v Speaker 1>Eggam operation. He would have been looking for something, anything,

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<v Speaker 1>that would give him leverage. If Chaloner knew that Newton's

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<v Speaker 1>case against him was thin, then Newton certainly did too.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe his mind drifted a bit. He might have

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<v Speaker 1>been thinking about his work on optics, for example, experiments

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<v Speaker 1>and research that had talled somewhat since he arrived in London.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have been thinking about his theological studies, ideas

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<v Speaker 1>that sometimes took him to the brink and beyond of heresy.

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<v Speaker 1>Or he might have been thinking about how he Isaac Newton,

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<v Speaker 1>born on a lincoature farm to rise to scholarly fame,

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten here sitting in his London study, struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>a different kind of problem, how to nail down a

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<v Speaker 1>slippery criminal mastermind. Newton was no stranger to introspection as

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, and in his first years at Cambridge he

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<v Speaker 1>the ledger of his quote sins making Pies on Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 1>missing chapel, twisting accord on Sunday morning, using Wilford's towel

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<v Speaker 1>to spare my own wishing death and hoping it to

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<v Speaker 1>some striking many having on clean thoughts, words and actions

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<v Speaker 1>and dreams. Also on the list, trying to spend a

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<v Speaker 1>bronze and therefore counterfeit groat, which is well ironic. Newton's

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<v Speaker 1>childhood and adolescence hadn't been exactly pleasant. His father was

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively well off farmer who died before Newton was born.

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<v Speaker 1>His mother remarried when little Isaac was just about three

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Her new husband was more than twice her age,

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<v Speaker 1>a widower, and as part of their marriage contract, she

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<v Speaker 1>was meant to move in with him alone. Little Isaac

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<v Speaker 1>was to be left in the care of his grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>at the farmhouse where was born. When her second husband

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<v Speaker 1>died eight years later, his mother returned with three smaller

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<v Speaker 1>children into Biographers have suggested that this early perceived rejection

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<v Speaker 1>by his mother left Isaac Newton with a few issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Punching my sister, rubbing my mother's box of plums and sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>threatening my father and mother to burn them. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>househover them with my mother, with my sister. Newton's brilliance

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<v Speaker 1>carried him into university. His years in academia were characterized

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<v Speaker 1>by intense study and also by a lack of connection

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<v Speaker 1>with other people. During his Cambridge years, he rarely left

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<v Speaker 1>his rooms at the college, and when he did, he

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<v Speaker 1>was usually unkempt, with his hair uncombed, and he tended

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<v Speaker 1>to draw mathematical equations in the dust by the river

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<v Speaker 1>cam that sort of thing. Newton wasn't exactly happy in

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<v Speaker 1>his solitude, but neither did he particularly enjoy the company

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<v Speaker 1>of other people. For I see not what there is

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<v Speaker 1>desirable in public esteem. Where I able to acquire and

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<v Speaker 1>maintain it, it would perhaps increase my acquaintance the thing

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<v Speaker 1>which I chiefly study to decline. Still, Newton could only

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<v Speaker 1>stand the intellectual isolation for so long. Newton had been

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<v Speaker 1>restless in his last few years at Trainee College, around

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<v Speaker 1>the time that he was looking for another job in

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<v Speaker 1>a way out of Cambridge. But that wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>explanation for his abrupt departure from academic life for London.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Mint in the years before he left, Newton

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<v Speaker 1>was behaving erratically. I am extremely troubled at the embroilment.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in. I have neither ate nor slept well

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<v Speaker 1>this twelve month, nor have my former consistency of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton confessed this to his friend, the ubiquitous Samuel Peeps

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<v Speaker 1>in a letter from sixty nine three. Not sleeping or

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<v Speaker 1>eating is a bad sign, even from Newton, who tended

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<v Speaker 1>to be too distracted by work to do either consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was more. I must withdraw from your acquaintance,

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing neither you nor the rest of my friends anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>if I may leave them quietly. Newton did have a

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<v Speaker 1>reputation for being quick to lose people if they offended him.

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<v Speaker 1>He once stitched a friend for telling a dirty joke

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<v Speaker 1>about a nun, even though he definitely wasn't Catholic and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to have any particular respect for nuns. And

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<v Speaker 1>Newton could be for sure petty and vindictive. He fought

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<v Speaker 1>with many of the leading scientists of the day, in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases physically. In the sixteen nineties, Newton visited John Flamsteed,

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<v Speaker 1>the first astronomer Royal, out at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two got into an actual wrestling match over

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<v Speaker 1>one of Flamsteed's Instruments. Flamsteed says that Newton called him

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<v Speaker 1>all the names that he could think of. Poppy was

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<v Speaker 1>the most innocent of them. But Newton's declaration that he

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<v Speaker 1>intended tosevered ties with peeps and others was strange worrying.

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<v Speaker 1>Just three days after his letter to Peep's, Newton wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to philosopher John Locke, one of his closest allies, being

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<v Speaker 1>off opinion that you endeavored to embroil me with women

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<v Speaker 1>and by other means. I was so affected with it

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<v Speaker 1>that when one told me you were sickly and would

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<v Speaker 1>not live, I answered to a better if you were dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Locke's reply was graceful and kind, and he clearly forgave Newton.

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<v Speaker 1>But Newton's response to that was, if anything more worrying, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>the last winter, by sleeping too often by my fire,

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<v Speaker 1>I got an ill habit of sleeping, and a distemper

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<v Speaker 1>which this summer has been epidemical, put me farther out

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<v Speaker 1>of order, so that when I wrote to you, I

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<v Speaker 1>had not up to an hour and night for a

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<v Speaker 1>fortnight together, and for five days together. Not a wink

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, I wrote to you. But what I said,

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<v Speaker 1>of your book, I remember not. Newton's letters worried peeps

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<v Speaker 1>so much that peeps wrote to another Cambridge academic, John Millington.

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<v Speaker 1>I had lately received a letter from him, so surprising

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<v Speaker 1>to me, for the inconsistency of every part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>as to be put into great disorder by it, for

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<v Speaker 1>the concernment I have for him, I mean a discomposure

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<v Speaker 1>in head or mind or both. Peeps asked Millington to

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<v Speaker 1>check in on Newton discreetly. It wouldn't do anyone any good,

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<v Speaker 1>at least of all Newton, to have people start suspecting

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<v Speaker 1>that the great genius of Trinity was having a breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>For I own too great an esteem for Mr Newton

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<v Speaker 1>as for a public good to be able to let

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<v Speaker 1>any doubt in me of this kind concerning him lie

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<v Speaker 1>a moment uncleared where I can have any hopes of

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<v Speaker 1>helping it. New news quote frenzied state, and the flurry

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<v Speaker 1>of paranoid letters coming from him prompted all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>schaden freda, as well as real concern from the gossipy grades.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Dutch physicist Christian Hygens heard it from

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<v Speaker 1>his friends in England. He told mathematician and philosopher Godfried

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<v Speaker 1>Wilhelm von Leibnez, who spread it around to his circle.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Newton's frenzy made it back to England

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<v Speaker 1>via German philosopher Johann Christoph Sturm to a Dr. Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>Newton had been quote reduced to very ill circumstances by

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<v Speaker 1>a quote disturbance of mind caused by a supposed fire

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<v Speaker 1>that destroyed his lab, his home, and all of his

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<v Speaker 1>worldly possessions. It was like the longest game of telephone ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of Newton's frenzied state that newton fancies pace?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned about Newton's dancing. Wait, okay, so there hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been in a lab destroying fire in Newton, unlike many

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<v Speaker 1>other educated people in his time, didn't believe that his

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<v Speaker 1>periods of frenzy were the product of the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>the devil or evil spirits. But there was definitely something

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<v Speaker 1>going on in Newton's head Act two. The alchemist. Newton had,

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<v Speaker 1>according to some sources, struggled with depression at several points

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<v Speaker 1>in his life, times when he'd retreat to his inner

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<v Speaker 1>world and cut off what few ties he had with

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<v Speaker 1>friends and fellow academics, But this particular episode seemed so

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<v Speaker 1>much more profound and incomprehensible to his worried friends. Something

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, and it's possible that something was mercury poisoning.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton had for years been a semi secret practicing alchemist.

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<v Speaker 1>Alchemy was an ancient science with roots in Eastern cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>It was largely concerned with pulling substances of heart and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put them back together in more valuable ways,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, transforming lead into gold. In the seventeenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>alchemy was branching in two directions. There was a branch

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<v Speaker 1>that would eventually become what we'd consider chemistry today, and

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<v Speaker 1>the branch that stuck with the more metaphysical stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of alchemy was regarded as more or less madness.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was sort of between the two branches. He was,

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<v Speaker 1>as John Maynard Keynes later wrote, The Last of the Magicians,

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<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't interested in power or living forever. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was trying to find God in his work. All

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<v Speaker 1>of his work. He had written the Principia, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>not with it design of betting defiance, but to enforce

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<v Speaker 1>and demonstrate the power and superintendency of the Supreme Being.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of Newton's meticulous notes on his alchemical experiments survive

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<v Speaker 1>one million handwritten words describing his interpretations of scripture, of

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<v Speaker 1>the essences of elements, the movements of the heavens. Arcane

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<v Speaker 1>potions meant to prolonged life, but Newton's search for divinity

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<v Speaker 1>through experimentation also meant messing about with some fairly toxic substances,

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<v Speaker 1>like mercury. Mercury is an element number eighty on the

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<v Speaker 1>periodic table, although the periodic table wouldn't actually be created

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<v Speaker 1>for another hundred and seventy years. It's the only metallic

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<v Speaker 1>element that's a liquid at room temperature, giving it the

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<v Speaker 1>historic and popular name quicksilver. If you've ever accidentally cracked

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<v Speaker 1>up in a thermometer, young people, thermometers used to have

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<v Speaker 1>mercury inside them. True story, you probably remember the way

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<v Speaker 1>that the silvery liquid coalesced into little blobs like a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy in Terminator two. For eighteen years, Newton carried

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<v Speaker 1>out hundreds of experiments involving all kinds of metals gold, silver, lead,

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<v Speaker 1>and mercury. He would often heat things up and then

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally breathe in their fumes or even taste the results

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<v Speaker 1>once they cooled. When he was on an experimental bender,

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<v Speaker 1>he tended to sleep in his laboratory by the fire

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<v Speaker 1>while his experiments bubbled merrily away, releasing fumes into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton used quicksilver so much in his experiments that he

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<v Speaker 1>once joked, quite possibly his only joke ever, that his

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<v Speaker 1>hair had turned prematurely silver because of it. But mercury

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<v Speaker 1>is toxic, hence why thermometers aren't made with mercury anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Exposure to mercury can lead to mercury poisoning. The mercury

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<v Speaker 1>builds of in your system over time, eventually resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>serious neurological issues. You can suffer ill effects from ingesting mercury,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, although nineteenth century doctors used to prescribe it

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<v Speaker 1>as a laxative because it's so dense it just moves

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<v Speaker 1>right through you. But it's most damaging when it's inhaled

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<v Speaker 1>in vapor form, moving quickly from the lungs into the

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<v Speaker 1>blood into the brain. The symptoms of mercury poisoning we

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<v Speaker 1>know now include irritability, depression, anxiety, problems with memory. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember I wrote to you, but what I said of

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<v Speaker 1>your book, I remember not insomnia. I had not slipped

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and night for a fortnight together. In quote

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<v Speaker 1>pathological shyness, I must withdraw from your acquaintance. Researchers are

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<v Speaker 1>divided on the impact of mercury on Newton's health, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's never a really good idea to diagnose the

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<v Speaker 1>physical and mental problems with someone who died nearly three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. But if we're looking for a suspect and

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<v Speaker 1>the quote madness of Isaac Newton, mercury poisoning seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a prime one. But that wasn't all that was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Newton's life right now. His mind was traveled,

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<v Speaker 1>and so is his heart. Newton had never married or

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to show the slightest romantic interest in anyone at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's possible that in six Newton was dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a romance, or at least a very strong emotional attachment

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<v Speaker 1>that ended badly. A few years earlier, Newton had begun

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<v Speaker 1>paying a lot of attention to a young Swiss mathematician

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<v Speaker 1>and philosopher called Nicola Fatiou to Julie. Newton wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>Fatio with a kind of warmth that he rarely showed

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<v Speaker 1>in letters to other people, not even to his own relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>and Fatio seemed to return his regard. I could wish

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<v Speaker 1>to live all my life, or the greatest part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>with you, if it was possible. When Newton found out

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<v Speaker 1>that Fattio was desperately ill in September, he was truly distraught.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah last night received your letter with which how much

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<v Speaker 1>I was affected. I cannot express pray, procure the advice

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<v Speaker 1>and assistance of physician before it is too late, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you want any money, I will supply you with

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<v Speaker 1>my prayers for your recovery. I rest he signed it

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<v Speaker 1>your most affectionate and faithful friend to serve you. Newton

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<v Speaker 1>tried to send presidents, medical remedies, even money, but Fattier

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take them. In February nine three, Newton even suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that Fattio come live with him in Cambridge so that

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<v Speaker 1>Newton could take care of him. Fattia refused, saying he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be a burden, and then Fattio seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to end it. Fatio wrote Newton to say that he

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<v Speaker 1>had made a new friend in London, a good and

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<v Speaker 1>upright man. Newton rushed to London. But what happened there

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<v Speaker 1>we can only guess. After that, letters between the two

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<v Speaker 1>largely ceased. It's possible that Newton was in love with Fatio,

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<v Speaker 1>although there was no indication that this relationship was ever

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<v Speaker 1>physical or sexual. A much older Newton later told a

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<v Speaker 1>relative that he had quote never violated chastity with anyone. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>the way to chastity is not to struggle with incontinent thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>but to avert the thoughts by some employment, or by reading,

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<v Speaker 1>or by conversation, or by meditating on other things. But

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<v Speaker 1>whatever his attachment to Fatio, it appeared to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the very few deep relationships Newton had ever been

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<v Speaker 1>able to form with another human being, and its loss

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<v Speaker 1>would have cut him to the bone. Later in s

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<v Speaker 1>John Millington, Newton's Cambridge colleague, paid Newton a visit at

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<v Speaker 1>Peeves's request. Millington reported back to Peep's that Newton seemed fine.

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<v Speaker 1>At least Newton still seemed to have his intellect. He

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<v Speaker 1>is now very well, and though I fear he is

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<v Speaker 1>under some small degree of melancholy, yet I think there

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<v Speaker 1>is no reason to suspect it hath at all touched

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<v Speaker 1>his understanding and I hope it never will. But Millington's

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<v Speaker 1>response contained another clue as to what was grieving Newton.

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<v Speaker 1>Millington said that it was a sign, not a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed of how much the love of learning and

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<v Speaker 1>the honor of the nation was looked after. When such

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<v Speaker 1>a person as Mr Newton lies so neglected by those

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<v Speaker 1>in power, Newton was feeling overlooked, less relevant. Though the

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<v Speaker 1>publication of Brinkipia had been a triumph that was now

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, and his work following Principia wasn't a failure

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<v Speaker 1>by any means, but he was conscious that it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, explaining the universe. At the same time, his friends,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Peeps in Locke, had long been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find him work outside of Cambridge, with little success. What

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<v Speaker 1>it all added up to was a crisis. Dr Patricia Farah.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly does seem to have had some sort of breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine life was a bit difficult for him. He

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps wasn't the easiest man in the world to get

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<v Speaker 1>on with. Perhaps he was worried about his failing mathematical paths.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that a lot of mathematicians talking about when

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<v Speaker 1>they get to the age about forty or fifty that

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<v Speaker 1>there past their creative best. I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 1>single reason, and I'm not sure we even really know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why, so new to this period of disordered mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been a lifelong struggle with depression compounded by

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<v Speaker 1>mercury pois ning. Or it could have been a love

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<v Speaker 1>affair gone south. Or it could have just been a

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<v Speaker 1>regular old midlife crisis. He was in his early fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, and he'd been trying for years to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of Cambridge, where it could have been all of

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<v Speaker 1>the above. But whatever it was, Newton needed a new purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>finding counterfeiters and sending them to the gallows. Well maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. Act three, no face, no Case. In

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<v Speaker 1>s and Pillsbury, a poor woman who lived in Westminster

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<v Speaker 1>went to a bakery with her young daughter to buy food.

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<v Speaker 1>A night near bread please, and a night me a chase.

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<v Speaker 1>The shop, however, was run by an informant of Newton's,

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<v Speaker 1>and he believed that the sixpence that she tried to

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<v Speaker 1>pay with was fake. You consider me a fool. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not legitimate coin of the crown. The informants searched her

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<v Speaker 1>right there in the shop, finding a good sixpence between

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<v Speaker 1>her bodice and stomach, evidence that she knew she had

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<v Speaker 1>been passing bad coin, as well as evidence of the

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<v Speaker 1>shop owner wasn't at all concerned about being brought up

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<v Speaker 1>on sexual assault charges or humiliating poor Anne. He then

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<v Speaker 1>brought her to Newton himself. Newton ordered her and her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter searched again, well, search again, both of them, this

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<v Speaker 1>time finding more counterfeit coins wrapped in paper and hidden

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<v Speaker 1>in the child's clothing. You dare embroyal the girl in

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<v Speaker 1>your petty scheme, please, sir. The bat six pinches off

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<v Speaker 1>a person? What sells linen cloth in streets? They made it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was There's no word on what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Anne and her daughter next, but it's possible, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really hope this is the case, that she became another

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<v Speaker 1>of Newton's informants rather than being packed off to Newgate.

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Farra again, I mean, these people who were being

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<v Speaker 1>persecuted as criminals were often living on the edge of poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>They were very ignorant, they hadn't got any work. And

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<v Speaker 1>although there was the most criminals like Challoner who managed

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<v Speaker 1>to become quite rich, a lot of the petty theft

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<v Speaker 1>going on was just so that people could survive. Newton

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<v Speaker 1>was not moved by the plight of the people he

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<v Speaker 1>squeezed for information or even sent to the gallows, and

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<v Speaker 1>his industriousness in pursuing counterfeiters and clippers might have been

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<v Speaker 1>fueled or at least aided by this darker side of

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<v Speaker 1>his personality. But as it turns out, it was precisely

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<v Speaker 1>this unforgiving character, combined with his laser like focus, that

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<v Speaker 1>made him so good at being a cop. And in

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<v Speaker 1>William Chaloner, Newton had found his equal and opposite, so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak. Where Challenger was garrulous, charming and friend lee,

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was terse, introspective, quick to anger, where Challenger seemed

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<v Speaker 1>too so anarchy. Newton wanted to order, He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>use his scientific abilities to fix things, where Challenger was

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<v Speaker 1>happy to twist and bend the law to break it.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was devoted to the oath he took to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the mint and its machines. Tom Levinson m I T.

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<v Speaker 1>Science writer and author of Newton and the Counterfeiter Does

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<v Speaker 1>he really see him? I think in this as as

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<v Speaker 1>as one three dimensional person rather than as Newton the

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<v Speaker 1>scientists new in the mathematician, ding the magician, whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be, because you really see the two to me

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<v Speaker 1>dominant characteristics of Newton's mind at playing in his confrontation

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<v Speaker 1>with Chaloner. On the one hand, he's just really smart.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a disciplined mind, He defines problems, all that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff that you think of as Newton, the

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<v Speaker 1>great mind that we know him as. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>you also see something that is often underestimated in the

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<v Speaker 1>lives of great scientists. They are persistent and focused in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that most other people are not. They have

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<v Speaker 1>power of concentration combined with stamina that's really distinctive. And

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<v Speaker 1>Newton stayed with the problems over months and years and

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<v Speaker 1>with Challenger, and Challenger was a problem. In March, Newton

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<v Speaker 1>received a pleading letter from Thomas Carter, one of challengers colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>who was then languishing in Newgate jail. Carter promised, all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of information, I should have the irons put on

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<v Speaker 1>me tomorrow if your worship not older. The contrary, being

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<v Speaker 1>clapped in irons sounds like something that happened to pirates

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>because it was, but it was also extremely painful. Heavy

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>iron shackles were secured around the prisoners ankles, leaving bruises,

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<v Speaker 1>broken skin sores. It sounds a lot like torture. Newton

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<v Speaker 1>was undoubtedly willing to let people be hurt in his

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of justice. He once said, of a counterfeiter in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>better to let him. But to be fair, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of evidence that Newton was torturing people to

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<v Speaker 1>get his information. That reference is the only one that survives,

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>although he did burn much of his records concerning counterfeiters.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of Newton as this aggressive, sadistic inquisitor comes

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<v Speaker 1>in part from a biography of him written by Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Manuel In that read his role as warden through a

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<v Speaker 1>union psychoanalytical lens. Manuel saw Newton's evident zeal for the

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<v Speaker 1>job as working out his anger with his deceased stepfather

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>on a socially acceptable object, the treason his coiner that's

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>probably not really merited at all. Manuel suggested that Newton

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>was unusual in his passion, but the fact was not

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<v Speaker 1>a day went by in the late sixteen nineties of

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<v Speaker 1>the government wasn't talking about counterfeiters. In some way, Newton's

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>interest was an excessive, nor were his methods of getting information.

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>The pressure Newton applied was already there. Many of his

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>informants were already facing the gallows, and irons were part

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of the prison toolkit. Newton's attitude was shared by his contemporaries.

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<v Speaker 1>But where Newton did differ was in just how dogged,

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<v Speaker 1>thorough and analytical his pursuit of coiners was, and just

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<v Speaker 1>how much they hated him for it. Tom Levinson, again, Chaloner,

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>like many others, really underestimated Isaac when he came to London.

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<v Speaker 1>They would have seen this Cambridge professor, this mathematician, this

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<v Speaker 1>person whose mind was in the stars, who wouldn't stand

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<v Speaker 1>a chance, wouldn't last a week in the rough and

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<v Speaker 1>tumble real world of you know, London and all its

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>bustle and joyous crime and exuberance and misery. Well they

0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>were wrong. Newton did just fine. He had no problem

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the real world. And I think Chaloner was

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>was really unprepared to confront somebody who wasn't the sort

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of airy, fairy boffin that he may have imagined he

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<v Speaker 1>was facing. Newton so far had proven a lot tougher,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more ruthless, a lot more tenacious than Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>had imagined. But that didn't mean that Challenger was done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Holloway was out of jail. He was to be

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<v Speaker 1>Newton's star witness in just a few weeks, whenever the

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>next sessions of trials were to be held. He sat

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<v Speaker 1>in a quiet corner of the Bolt and Ton Inn

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<v Speaker 1>on Fleet Street, just around the corner from where William

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Challenger sat in his Newgate cell. He waited, tankred a

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<v Speaker 1>veil in front of him for a man called Michael

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<v Speaker 1>gilling Him. Gilling Him was a longtime associated Challengers. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a useful publican who kept an ale house by

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<v Speaker 1>Charing Cross Road and who did jobs for local criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd even done a bit of counterfeiting himself. The rumors said.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaloner had passed word to Gillingham, probably through one of

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<v Speaker 1>Newgate's notoriously corruptible jailers, to find Holloway and get him

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<v Speaker 1>out of the picture. No, he wasn't gonna have him killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Challoner is a con man, He's not a murderer. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going to turn into that kind of podcast. What

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<v Speaker 1>Challoner wanted was for Holloway and his family, including his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Elizabeth and their five children, plus their maid servant

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<v Speaker 1>to just disappear for a while. He offered Holloway, through

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<v Speaker 1>gilling him twenty pounds to make a run for Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite sharing a monarch, England and Scotland were separate kingdoms still,

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<v Speaker 1>so making a run for Scotland meant that English law

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't touch him there, though, Challoner was offering a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>substantial some of money. Fairly substantial, about four thousand pounds today,

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<v Speaker 1>enough to buy then like three horses, or pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the Halloways expenses for a bit. Halloween didn't take it

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<v Speaker 1>at first. Maybe he liked having a bit of power

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<v Speaker 1>over Challenger. Maybe he was holding out for a bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he just didn't want to leave the city he

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<v Speaker 1>called home for an uncertain journey north. Maybe he was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about his family. Challenger, however, wasn't a man to

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<v Speaker 1>be trifled with. He was playing nice now, offering money,

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<v Speaker 1>but he could just as easily flip the script turn

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<v Speaker 1>informant on Holloway. Halloway's wife, Elizabeth, she was also embroiled

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<v Speaker 1>in this too. She had been challengers utterer. She had

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<v Speaker 1>passed fake coins into circulation and It's not like Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't snitched people right into the gallows before, wasn't trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do so right now with Aubrey price. A few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks went by, and the trial was getting closer and closer.

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<v Speaker 1>In at October, Halloway finally agreed, but he refused to

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<v Speaker 1>make a promise until he and gilling Him were in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a man called Henry Saunders. Holloway evidently trusted

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<v Speaker 1>Saunders and wanted to make sure that there were witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to the deal he was making with gilling Him and Chaloner. Holloway,

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<v Speaker 1>gilling Him, and Saunders met at yet another pub, the

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<v Speaker 1>Turk's Head and Whopping near the river. This was where

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<v Speaker 1>condemned men about to hang at execution docks. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>buccaneers and pirates and smugglers and mutineers would have their

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<v Speaker 1>last pint at the Turk's Head. Halloway went over the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Gilling Him would take care of the kids and the

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<v Speaker 1>maid servant for a few weeks while Halloway and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife got on some horses and rode north. He'd send

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<v Speaker 1>the children and the maid up the coast by boat,

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<v Speaker 1>paid for of course, by William Chaloner. Gilling Him paid

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<v Speaker 1>Holloway part up front, and then a few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>gilling Him and Saunders escorted Holloway and his wife to

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<v Speaker 1>the livery, where they collected their horses, mounted up and

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<v Speaker 1>left town. Gilling Him and Saunders went Newgate that day

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<v Speaker 1>to tell Challenger the news. Charleona then seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>very joyful and said a fault for the world. Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>declaring a fart for the world was actually in the

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<v Speaker 1>deposition of Saunders that Newton took as in this Saunders

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<v Speaker 1>person told Newton directly that Challenger said, quote a fart

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<v Speaker 1>for the world. I don't even know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>The Halloways were now out of the picture, and Newton's

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<v Speaker 1>most important witness was gone because two other witnesses recanted,

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<v Speaker 1>although exactly how Challenger threatened or bought them off is unclear.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Levinson, you know, it is a classic sort of

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<v Speaker 1>mafia what we now think of as mafia organized crime techniques,

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<v Speaker 1>of just systematically dismantling the case that's about to be

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<v Speaker 1>presented against you until there was nothing left. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happens Newton. He had the case just fell apart,

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<v Speaker 1>went to trial by late October Newton's case against Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>had crumbled. The judge overseeing the case dismissed the charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was fuming. He knew it was a weak case

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<v Speaker 1>from the start, but he'd been pressured by the Lord's

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<v Speaker 1>justices to pursue it. And Newton hated losing, hated it

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<v Speaker 1>if he got on the wrong side of it. Took

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<v Speaker 1>heroic efforts to sort of heal the breach, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and most and most often people didn't. And so Challenger

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<v Speaker 1>had come along this you know, this criminal, this blaggard um,

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<v Speaker 1>this this you know, annoying horse fly nipping at at

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<v Speaker 1>Newton's flanks. In November, that annoying horse fly buzzed out

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<v Speaker 1>of Newgate Jail a mostly freeman. Now we know that

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<v Speaker 1>Challenger is not a man content to slink away and

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<v Speaker 1>feel lucky to have escaped this brush with the law

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<v Speaker 1>in certain death. We also know that seven weeks in jail,

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<v Speaker 1>paying jailers for basic necessities, paying off the witnesses against him,

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<v Speaker 1>had left Chaloner pretty much broke. He needed money, but

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<v Speaker 1>luckily he had a plan, the word three coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Newton's law. Ask no questions, but if you knew

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<v Speaker 1>who my friend was you'd allow he was as great

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<v Speaker 1>a master as Charlonough In June or July law, Mr Challoner, I,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Davis came to my mistress's lodging and Mr Challon

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<v Speaker 1>and locked himself in a room upstairs. Well I was curious,

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<v Speaker 1>so well, I don't through the Kale. Newton's Law is

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