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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain.

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Speaker 2: Where we thought we learned back in grade school that

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Speaker 2: our government was a complex system of guardrails protecting against

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Speaker 2: a deranged and maniacal tyrant unilaterally threatening a genocide.

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Speaker 1: That schoolhouse rock was full of shit.

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, April eighth, and on today's show, Chief operating

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Speaker 2: officer at the Boston Athletic Association, Mary Kate Say, joins

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Speaker 2: us ahead of this year's Boston Marathon. The woman responsible

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Speaker 2: for getting the world's best to Boston's starting line shares

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Speaker 2: how she scouts and recruits future champions, how the pros

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Speaker 2: really prepare for the notoriously hilly course, the best spot

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Speaker 2: for fans to watch all the action, and some of

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Speaker 2: the biggest names in this year's field. Plus there's the door,

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Speaker 2: here's the hall, and where's the Xanax. It's all coming

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Speaker 2: up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what you

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Speaker 2: need to know today. A lot of coaching news today,

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Speaker 2: starting with college hoops. South Carolina head coach Don Stale

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Speaker 2: put out a statement on Tuesday addressing Yukon head coach

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Speaker 2: Gino Oriama's outburst during the NCAA semi finals Staley wrote

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Speaker 2: in part quote, I spoke with Gino, and I want

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Speaker 2: to be clear. I have a great deal of respect

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Speaker 2: for him and what he's meant to this game. One

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Speaker 2: moment doesn't define a career, and it doesn't change the

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Speaker 2: impact he's had on growing women's basketball. The standard at

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Speaker 2: Yukon is what it is because of him, and that's

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Speaker 2: something this game has benefited from. So I'm asking everyone

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Speaker 2: to turn the page. Let's refocus on what matters most,

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Speaker 2: continuing to elevate our game, creating opportunities and pushing it forward.

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Speaker 2: That's always been my mission and it's not changing. End

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Speaker 2: quote Don Staley leading by example once again.

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Speaker 1: I just want to mention too.

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Speaker 2: I heard a lot of extreme takes out in Phoenix

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Speaker 2: after Friday's outburst from Gino. Gino should retire, he should

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Speaker 2: be fired. Players won't want to play for him. And

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Speaker 2: I said it then and I repeat it now that

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Speaker 2: the news cycle moves real fast. Listen, Gino saw red,

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Speaker 2: he couldn't rein it in. But some coaches across every sport,

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Speaker 2: at every level, have had similar moments inappropriate behavior, and

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Speaker 2: they've recovered, They've returned to the sideline and gotten back

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know Gina will need to answer to this again

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Speaker 2: in the future and we'll need to handle that appropriately.

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Speaker 2: But if he does, I do believe he's earned some

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Speaker 2: grace and forgiveness, and Dawn agrees that we should turn

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Speaker 2: the page, which seems like what's best for the sport

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Speaker 2: and for Yukon's players and program.

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Speaker 1: More college hoops.

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Speaker 2: Virginia has fired women's basketball head coach Amaca Agugua Hamilton,

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Speaker 2: just one week after she led the Cavaliers to a

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Speaker 2: Cinderella run at the NCAA Tournament. As a reminder, the

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Speaker 2: team made history as the first number ten seed to

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Speaker 2: advance from the first four to the Sweet sixteen, ultimately

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Speaker 2: falling to number three seed TCU. Virginia Athletics released a

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Speaker 2: short statement on Saturday, simply saying Agogua Hamilton will not

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Speaker 2: a new head coach will begin immediately now. The news

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Speaker 2: came as a shock to many people given the team's

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Speaker 2: late season success, but on Sunday, USA Today reported at

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Speaker 2: Gougla Hamilton had been the subject of an internal investigation

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Speaker 2: due to allegations of staff mistreatment within the program. A

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Speaker 2: string of transfer portal entries followed, including the team's top player,

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Speaker 2: Kamora Johnson, who was one of just three players in

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Speaker 2: five and a half assists for the season. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: the transfer portal, it's flooded, y'all. The damn to the

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Speaker 2: than one thousand players officially entered the women's NCAA basketball

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Speaker 2: transfer portal, including every single player on Kim Caldwell's Tennessee

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Speaker 2: roster this season. Yeah, every single one. We're resisting the

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Speaker 2: urge to photoshop called well and so that fresh Prince

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Speaker 2: meme you know where Will's looking around at an empty

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Speaker 2: living room. Transfer portal time is tough, y'all. We got

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Speaker 2: lots more to say about all of that. Big Citrus

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Speaker 2: is going to talk about it on Friday. More coaching news,

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Speaker 2: the WNBA's Washington Mystics have fired general manager Jamila Wideman

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Speaker 2: after just one season. Friend at the Show, ESPN's Alexa

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Speaker 2: Philip who reported the news on Monday, with sources saying

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Speaker 2: Season's roster, Philip Who reports that the Mystics hope to

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Speaker 2: which currently includes top twenty twenty five draft picks Georgia Amore,

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Speaker 2: Sonya Citron, and Kky Eriefin Washington also has the fourth

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Speaker 2: to say about that and the WNBA Draft, also with

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Speaker 2: Big Centrists on Friday Show, and for one final piece

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Speaker 2: of coaching news, we go to the PWHL where the

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Speaker 2: Ottawa Charge announced on Monday that head coach Carla McCloud

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Speaker 2: will be stepping back as Shandergo's treatment.

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Speaker 2: McLeod first made her diagnosis public last fall, but she's

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Speaker 2: We're sending all of our thoughts to coach McCloud back

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Speaker 2: to hoops. The Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame class of

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six US Women's Olympic team is being inducted,

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Speaker 2: including Lisa Leslie, Don Staley, Ryl Spoops, Jennifer Azy, and

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Lobo. Led by legendary head coach and friend of

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Speaker 2: the Show tar Vanderveer, they won gold in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 2: their victory there helped lead the successful launch of the

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Speaker 2: WNBA the following year. Fun to see them honored thirty

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Speaker 2: years after winning gold. A few w legends are also

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Speaker 2: The official induction ceremony will take place in August in Springfield, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Got to give out shouts to all the goats who

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Speaker 2: The track where US sprinting champion Shakeri Richardson has won

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Speaker 2: the event, taking home a prize of nearly thirty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched the video, it's really worth your time.

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Speaker 2: We'll link to it in the show Notes to Golf.

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Speaker 2: LPGA veteran Lauren Coglan came out on top over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: dominating the Ramco Championship in Nevada. She shot even par

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Speaker 2: Runner up Quorida has now talied three straight second place finishes.

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Speaker 2: Following her Tournament of champions win in early February, She's

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Speaker 2: spot from Thailand's Gino Titzkun Tvebs. Where the Love regular

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Speaker 2: Pair of teams playing two matches Houston versus Salt Lake

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Speaker 2: We got to take a break, slices when we come back.

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Speaker 2: Secrets of the Boston Marathon with Mary Kate.

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Speaker 1: Jay joining us now.

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Speaker 2: She's the chief operating officer at the Boston Athletic Association,

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Speaker 2: responsible for getting the world's best marathon urist to Boston

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Speaker 2: every April. She personally ran twenty five consecutive Boston Marathons,

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Speaker 3: How are you nice to be here?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to pick your brain, especially as someone who

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Speaker 2: how did you get into running marathons and making it

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Speaker 3: Thanks Sarah. What was your track event? Heptathlon? Oh? I

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Speaker 2: they perform in the race, they could walk away with

433
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: more money too, if they win, or if their sponsor

434
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: maybe has a bonus for hitting a certain time. I

435
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: know the details of how much people make is confidential,

436
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: but that's generally how it works, right, That's part of

437
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 2: the experience. Is not just when you come here, we

438
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: treat you great, but also it's worth your time to

439
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: show up here. Not only because also if you're a

440
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: strategist who maybe isn't quite as fast as someone else,

441
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: you think this right race might be the one you

442
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: can best them in, because it is more about strategy

443
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: than just speed.

444
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's pure racing here. These are professional athletes. These

445
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: are the best athletes in the world who are coming

446
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 3: to Boston, and they deserve to be paid. They deserve

447
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: to be sponsored, they deserve every perk they can get because,

448
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: unlike a lot of sports, they may be working, say

449
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: twelve weeks, sixteen weeks to prepare for an event, and

450
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: everything is laid on the line for those two and

451
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 3: a half hours, and this is either going to be

452
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: tiers of joy or tiers of pain, or maybe both,

453
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 3: maybe both at different times.

454
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of pain, even when you win. That's right,

455
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: How does the recruiting process typically work? Like, how far

456
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: in advance are you talking to someone.

457
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 3: For the marathon? It's evergreen. It's it could be in

458
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: advance of this year's race where they might want to

459
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 3: come out in the summer and check out Boston and

460
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: maybe run one of our distance medley events. It might

461
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 3: be minutes after they crossed the finish line at the

462
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: Boston Marathon. It's really evergreen. I would say the heaviest

463
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: parts for the Boston Marathon are that I would probably

464
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: have the field mostly locked up by early November.

465
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to travel for your job a lot,

466
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: going to races distances all over the world to scout

467
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: potential recruits.

468
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: I do, and I love to travel.

469
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: What do you look for in a runner that you're like,

470
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: this one might be great in Boston.

471
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: It's like it's like that kid who knows every stat

472
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: about baseball, So I already know all the stats. There's

473
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 3: a lot of great databases. I know what races they've run,

474
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: I know who they're coached by, I know their agents,

475
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: I know who they run with, I know where their

476
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: training camps are. So all of those elements come into

477
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: the decision. To really understand how somebody runs and what

478
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: their mental game is. But if I go to say

479
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: New York, and I see someone being really gritty as

480
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: they come into Central Park, or there's a spirit there

481
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: that they're never giving up, or they're not afraid to

482
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: challenge the field, they're not afraid to be a front runner,

483
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 3: or they're not afraid to run their own race and

484
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: drop back knowing that they will reset and get back

485
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: into the group. What does their stride look like, what

486
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: does their carriage look like? All those things that go

487
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: into really understanding who that person is. You know, what

488
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: is their life like outside of running?

489
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: Right, and you're choosing individuals, but ultimately you're going to

490
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: put these individuals into a group of runners that you

491
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: want in Boston. So you're building a field and it's

492
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: kind of the same as team sports, where like you

493
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: could have a guard who's a great shooter, but if

494
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: they're not a great facilitator, the rest of the players

495
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: aren't going to play at their best. So, right, how

496
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: do you figure out what you want to try to

497
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: include when you're looking at the pro field as a whole.

498
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: Sure, you're always thinking about the future and the future

499
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: of the sport, and you always want to provide some

500
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: up and coming athletes who are amazing, maybe in college,

501
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 3: maybe on the track, transitioning to the roads. You want

502
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 3: to provide them opportunity. So that's one avenue. But you

503
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: also want to bring back experience because the experience will

504
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: drive the strategy and the pace and then is all

505
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: always nice to bring in champions, Olympic champions, world champions.

506
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: We have alfons symbol becoming a world champion. Combined with that,

507
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: I think the best thing is to see how they

508
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: work alone, see how they work in groups, and see

509
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: how they finish. The New York City Marathon, it was

510
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: a photo finish, so it was won by less of

511
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: a difference than one hundred meter at the Olympics, so

512
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, this much difference and who

513
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: prevailed was one of our champions, Benson Canprudo, because he

514
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: was going to die trying and he prevailed. So you

515
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 3: do like that spirit and you can really see it.

516
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: You can see it in runners.

517
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you also are going to look

518
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: for a mix of people from different countries, folks that

519
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: will help inspire people in different places to get into it.

520
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: We talk about the future of marathoning is you need

521
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: folks from all over the world to see somebody that

522
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: looks like them, and it is from where they are

523
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: who's competing in winning.

524
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I think I mentioned this earlier about

525
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: thirty four countries just in the pro fields. There's so

526
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: much talent globally, and running is a major sport in

527
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: a lot of countries and including America. Right. It's just

528
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: it's going bonkers right now. I mean, you look at

529
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: the last Olympic Trials, there were so many people on

530
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: that starting line, and that's what you want to see.

531
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: You want to see that excitement.

532
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, London's looking at two days. I don't think the

533
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: Boston Marathon's ever going to two days.

534
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: Right I At this time, I think we have other priorities.

535
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: But I also think what makes this race special is

536
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: it's eight cities in towns, right, And when I take

537
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: these pros out and then we go backwards to Hopkinson,

538
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: it can't believe it, you know, It's just it's the

539
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: roads are so narrow, there's beautiful trees, there's lakes, there's

540
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: it's a different kind of feeling than a big city marathon,

541
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: and that's part of the uniqueness. We're always evolving and growing, So.

542
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: Not an answer, but yeah, you'll be you'll consider it,

543
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: I hear, is what I'm hearing.

544
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 3: You know, we never throw any idea out the window.

545
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, no, I think that's great diversity and

546
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: professional running, and there's great cultural differences in professional running.

547
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: What we do that a lot of races don't do.

548
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: We have a family dining situation, so we have a

549
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: small dedicated dining room, so all of the athletes get

550
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: to meet each other. I get to eat meals with

551
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: each other and just get to understand each other's culture.

552
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: Is a little bit better cool.

553
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: You know, when you're recruiting, doping is always a big

554
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: topic when it comes to marathon and do you have

555
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: to consider it all or do you consider it all

556
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: if someone's been flagged in the past or has that

557
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: on their record when you're considering recruiting them.

558
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, If you've served a doping sanction, you are

559
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 3: not invited to Boston. And we're the first marathon in

560
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: the world. Two years ago we instituted a voluntary repayment program.

561
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: And what that means is if after the prize awards

562
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: are dispersed and someone has to be reranked at our race.

563
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: We will not only rerank you, but we will give

564
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: you the prize differential. And that's one way to try

565
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: to find some equity and fairness if you've been robbed

566
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: of your rightful place at this race.

567
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, speaking of payments, there's kind of just

568
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: a long history across sports in general, every kind of

569
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: sport of women not being compensated as well as their

570
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: male counterparts, even while doing the same work on and

571
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: off the field to play. Is there anything that your

572
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: team does specifically behind the scenes to make sure you're

573
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: not inadvertently contributing to the gender pay gap.

574
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. The depth of field is always equal.

575
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: We always start out with we'll start out with seventy five,

576
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: seventy five. What might change that balance gender wise is

577
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: that there may be more injuries on the men's side

578
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: or more injuries on the women's side. Are you know,

579
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: a problem with fitness on one side or the other.

580
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, really the appearance

581
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: and the depth the amount of athletes that we host

582
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: and provide hospitality to is very often very equal. It

583
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: might change a little bit here and there, but it

584
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: has made significant progress over the last twenty years for sure.

585
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: Just the depth alone.

586
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: When you talk about trying to build for the future,

587
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: that means looking at folks who might be great down

588
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: the road.

589
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: Those might be cross country runners.

590
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: Boston course could be compared to a really long cross

591
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: country race with the inclines and the declines.

592
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Is there any connection there?

593
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Are you looking at good college cross country runners that

594
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: might make good Boston marathon runners?

595
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I went down to Florida, I went down to

596
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: Tallahassee at the beginning of the year to the World

597
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: cross Country Championships, So I was looking at a lot

598
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: of not only the U twenty but the open group

599
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: and seeing how they perform on cross country courses and

600
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: what that is like. That definitely is a factor. That

601
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: toughness is inherent there. So definitely look at the cross

602
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: country seasons.

603
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about middle distance?

604
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: Any middle distance racers that maybe haven't yet moved up

605
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: to longer.

606
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: But you're keeping an eye on that. You're hoping we'll

607
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: try twenty six point two.

608
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: I think that's always the hope and the difficulty is

609
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: So that's why I love going to the Olympics and

610
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: World Championships, because I love to just live at the

611
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: track and see that progression. I think the hope is

612
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: that you know, as that speed diminishes for one reason

613
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: or the other, that transition to roads is a great

614
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: equalizer because you can still put in the speed, you

615
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: can get the ranking on the roads, but you may

616
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: not be as fast as you need to be on

617
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: the track. Oh, there's not as many qualifying rounds or distractions.

618
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: Most people do transition if they're even milers, have a Sarah,

619
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: is still time for you as a half miler?

620
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Gosh, I wish, I wish we got to.

621
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: Get you out there. We have to get you out there.

622
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: What do we have to do. You've got to try it.

623
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Give me a new leg would be the Yeah, I

624
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: tore my achilles, so it's a whole mess down there.

625
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, that's painful.

626
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about this sort of selection

627
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: process and if there's probably a year or two where

628
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: you've found someone and you've plucked a diamond and they've

629
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 2: had a great finish and you've been like, I knew it.

630
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I saw that. I knew that person was going to

631
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: do great.

632
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: Nobody else would have seen that except for me, because

633
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: I have all this stuff living in my head. Is

634
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: there anyone you have conversations with about this stuff? Are

635
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: you battling anyone who says nope, we don't have room

636
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm fighting for this person or is

637
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: it just you get to decide?

638
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Well, I like to think it's a team. It's a

639
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: team effort. And I speak with a lot of agents,

640
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: I speak with a lot of athletes, a lot of coaches.

641
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: I listened to my teammates here and everything has to

642
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: be right, everything has to be right.

643
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a benevolent dictatorship. You're still in charge,

644
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: but you try to listen.

645
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, not at all.

646
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: It's very it's collaborative. It's collaborative. But like you can,

647
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: let's just take you know, Yuki kaw Ochi as an example, right,

648
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: he represented Japan and many world championships, never made it

649
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: on the big stage, so to speak. And he said

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Speaker 3: it come to Boston, but he wanted to come and

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Speaker 3: do training. So I set up at January certified and

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Speaker 3: sanctioned marathon for him to run to get a world

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Speaker 3: record with Guinness Guinness World Records. And he was here

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Speaker 3: for a week and he must have run like fifteen

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Speaker 3: marathons in a week's time and then he came back.

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Speaker 3: But he's someone not everybody would take a chance on.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that not everybody would take

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Speaker 3: a chance on. But I don't know. For me, determination

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: goes a long way grittiness, you know, intelligence, humor, being

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Speaker 3: a nice person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about partners and marathon runners exactly. I

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Speaker 2: want to ask specifically about US runners Susannah Sullivan and

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Speaker 2: Jess McLain.

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Speaker 1: They're both sponsored by Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Susannah and Jess kind of worked together as this fearless

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Speaker 2: duo at the World Championships in Tokyo last summer. They

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Speaker 2: were leading the pack for a good tunk of the race.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to see them working together

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Speaker 2: out on this Boston course.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you Jess McLain is on fire and

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Speaker 3: Susannah Sullivan is on fire. It's going to be really hard.

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Speaker 3: If you asked me to even secretly do the lineup here,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be incredibly difficult because Emily Sisson is

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Speaker 3: coming in hot. Fiono O'Keefe looks so strong to codable pain.

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Speaker 3: She just reported that you've been like twenty seven miles

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Speaker 3: and under two thirty just as a training run, you know,

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Speaker 3: training run. But Sullivan, yes, Erica Kemp. All the ladies

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Speaker 3: are coming in. They know they have to come to

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Speaker 3: Boston prepared. Nobody comes to that starting line unprepared. They're

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Speaker 3: all prepared. They have to be. Yeah, it's a tough course.

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Speaker 2: Last two quick ones for you because you mentioned Jess McClain.

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Speaker 2: She was one of the athletes at the US half

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Speaker 2: marathon who has accidentally let off the course.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about her on the show here.

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Speaker 2: She ended up getting cross money, she ended up getting

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Speaker 2: a ticket to the World Championships. We don't know yet

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Speaker 2: if she'll be considered the scoring athlete of the group

688
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Speaker 2: or not. But what do you make of the solution

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Speaker 2: that US Track and Field and World Athletics came up with.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting solution, right because they it has

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Speaker 3: to be three and three different kits. They have to

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Speaker 3: identify four who will be in the rankings. The three

693
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: and three can't work against each other or with each

694
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Speaker 3: other a team up to pace and be groups, so

695
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Speaker 3: that will be a little bit challenging. It's a great opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I think the women amongst themselves will come to terms

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Speaker 3: with who they think should be ranked, and now we

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Speaker 3: just have to have a race, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a tough sit you to find an

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Speaker 2: easy solution for it was.

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Speaker 3: A tough situation. But before the race even ended, I

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Speaker 3: texted Jess and I said, you look so strong out there.

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Speaker 3: I might have said LFG and we can't wait till

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Speaker 3: you're in Boston. So it's all and I said, we

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Speaker 3: want you healthy and happy. So it's all about the positives,

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Speaker 3: Like what did go well there? She looked for sure, amazing, Right,

707
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Speaker 3: she was out there to win it. She was driving

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Speaker 3: the train. So let's concentrate on the positives.

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Speaker 1: Last two fun ones.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that you'll drive the racers the reverse direction

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Speaker 2: on the course to check it out with the traffic

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Speaker 2: in Boston.

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Speaker 1: Does it take longer to drive the course or run it?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I was in the car for like

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Speaker 3: an hour and a half with Emily Sis and we

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Speaker 3: know everything about we're talking about the course and then

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Speaker 3: you digress. Susanna Sullivan, she's also chatty. That was great,

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Speaker 3: And Fiona, it takes really it takes from the finish

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Speaker 3: line takes about an hour and thirty or forty minutes,

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Speaker 3: so it is close to them running back. But then

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Speaker 3: they get out there. You know, we have an office

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Speaker 3: building out there that's going to be a museum. Er

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Speaker 3: in the starting line and they get rolling and they

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Speaker 3: are flying. It's just very impressive to see them flying

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Speaker 3: down this course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Producer Bianca actually lives in Boston and we have

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Speaker 2: a lot of listeners in the Boston area.

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Speaker 1: So we want to know from you.

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Speaker 2: Since you've run it twenty five times, since you've been

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Speaker 2: there every time since ninety nine, what do you think

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Speaker 2: is the best spot on the course to cheer from.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it has to be, you know, on Comab near

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Speaker 3: the right, on Harrifins left and Pullston, but with the

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Speaker 3: fans in the nitty gritty, not in the finish line,

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Speaker 3: but with the fans just driving people that last mile,

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Speaker 3: just cheering for them for all your worth.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: I've kissed some grand babies on that corner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. That's great.

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Speaker 3: It's a great spot right there.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're looking forward to watching from Afar and for

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Speaker 2: some of us in person. So thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: the time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you so much. I love talking about this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Mary Kate for taking the time and

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Speaker 2: don't forget you can now watch full length good Game

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Speaker 2: War III. Rating zero out of zero. Solutions for the

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Speaker 2: mess were all in review. Yesterday, I had that thing

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Speaker 2: where multiple people are texting you all at the same

775
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Speaker 2: time about vastly different topics.

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Speaker 1: You've been there.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure ding ding ding, They're all coming through, but

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00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: each one requires a completely different emotion and a different

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Speaker 2: kind of processing. What are the Chicago sky doing? Can

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Speaker 2: you do dinner on the sixteenth? Did you hear Shelley

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Speaker 2: passed away? As I tried to respond, it felt like

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: there was this little imaginary ball in my brain that

783
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: was bouncing from one inside out character to the other

784
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: kind of trading who was in charge of my mood?

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: I could feel the ball bounce with the ding of

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Speaker 2: each text I received and the spoosh of my responses

787
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: being sent out like I could feel in that moment

788
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: how wrong it was for messages about an acquaintance's death

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00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: to be interrupted by texts about a basketball team. The

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00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: speed at which we have to process our lives via

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: the roulette wheel of our phones is unsettling, whether via

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00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: text or social media platform, all at once. We're liking

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00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: a friend's baby picture than scrolling to news of an

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Speaker 2: endangered animal population and decline onto a promotion for a

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Speaker 2: movie sequel right below a post from the President proudly

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Speaker 2: announcing his plan to commit genocide at any moment. If

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Speaker 2: we stop and think about it, it's frankly fair to

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00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: ask why am I paying this bill or responding to

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Speaker 2: this email? Or how can I be booking this vacation

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00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: or trash talking the star of this reality show? How

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00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: can we be doing anything other than protesting, calling our

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00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: local representatives, writing letters to newspapers and TV networks demanding

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Speaker 2: that they treat this moment with the gravity it requires.

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: And yet for many of us, myself included, it kind

805
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: of feels like the only way through this is cognitive dissonance,

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Speaker 2: Like somehow try to hold both things at once, like

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Speaker 2: at Leon said on Blue Sky. Yeah, man, I'll circle

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Speaker 2: back to you on that agenda item from yesterday's All

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Speaker 2: Hands in just a sec our, Pedophile King just threatened

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Speaker 2: to destroy a whole civilization, Like we can't just be

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Speaker 2: angry all day or hide or stop trying or caring

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00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: or looking for joy. And we can't ignore that what's

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00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: going on is bigger and scarier and worse than likely

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Speaker 2: any of us imagined on November fifth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: So I guess we just have to let the ball

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Speaker 2: bounce from horrified that happened? To thrilled for your success

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Speaker 2: to sorry, can't make it tuesday? To holy shit, how

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Speaker 2: is no one stopping him? If anyone's got a better solution,

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Speaker 2: I'd really love to hear it, because I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much longer we can all do this. Now it's

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Speaker 2: your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening, slices, See

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Speaker 2: you tomorrow. Good game, Mary Kate, Good game, everyone signed

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Speaker 2: doing nothing to unseat and arrest the resident.

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