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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting things to bring you

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Speaker 1: this morning, including more results from that exclusive Breaking Points

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Speaker 1: focus group of New Hampshire Republican voters. They get into

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Speaker 1: age limits, they get into Ukraine funding, they get into

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Speaker 1: literally from prison. All of these things are very interesting,

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Speaker 1: We also wanted to take a look at a weird

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Speaker 1: phenomenon yesterday on nine to eleven, you had both the

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Speaker 1: And this comes right as Disney has also finally struck

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Speaker 2: And as a reminder, we'll be giving you the full

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny James being a brit with

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Speaker 4: Age limits.

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Speaker 5: Some people have talked about age limits of public office

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Speaker 6: you know, and uh, you know, as far as term

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Speaker 6: Where it should be the people who vote.

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Speaker 4: To the term limits, not them.

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Speaker 5: What offices are you thinking about? Seven limit?

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Speaker 8: I just like career politicians like you said, they go in,

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Speaker 9: Just there shouldn't be anybody in there over fifty years,

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Speaker 5: It's not an age thing or how long people have

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Speaker 11: I just feel like it becomes routine, Like it's just

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Speaker 12: You got Nancy Polos, He's going from there four more

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Speaker 12: That's you know, Crouse, That's all becomes a judgmental issue.

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Speaker 12: I realize that. But you know, it's just because some

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Speaker 12: But if there's an eighty some kind of tests that

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Speaker 11: People need to know their boundaries, and I don't think

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Speaker 11: think age is a factor.

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree a bit.

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Speaker 9: Just because I know some elderly that are sharpest tacks

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Speaker 13: And it's because the entrenched incumbetency makes it very, very

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: And it's good to have fresh new blood in there

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Speaker 4: It's a broken right.

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Speaker 14: Well, I like the idea of being in the seventies,

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Speaker 14: So you have like a good idea of everybody at

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Speaker 5: Put your hand up if you'd like to see some

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Speaker 4: If so?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, because I judge it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Like I said earlier, how do you judge that?

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Speaker 12: Because something can make a definition of what is cognitive

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Speaker 12: I think he's the right age because he's he's got

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Speaker 12: the ability to do far more than most thirty year

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Speaker 9: I don't think that's why. I'm not sure age is significant.

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Speaker 9: I think it's more about their capabilities. So I don't

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Speaker 5: Biden's to oldre president.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a very interesting exchange around age

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Speaker 1: limits and cognitive tests and how do you draw the

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they actually identified a lot of

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Speaker 2: the Trump guy. He actually said seventy five. I don't

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Speaker 1: That's fine, but that shows the challenge with this. And

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Speaker 1: I actually thought the lady who was like like she

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Speaker 1: Problematic because who defines who's up to the task. It's

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Speaker 1: But Saria are absolutely right that, especially given the incidents

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Speaker 1: From Axios, they found that over three quarters of Americans

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Speaker 2: It may, and but that's part of why, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing about age liments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting rid of those age limns.

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Speaker 3: When you get to eighty percent.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's not exactly comparable, obviously, But also

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we do have Look, we have all kinds

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Speaker 6: And this has been going on, what's seven eight years,

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Speaker 6: so it's definitely just a lynching and they're just afraid

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Speaker 6: of them. That's why they're doing Otherwise they'd leave them alone.

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Speaker 14: As far as the charges go. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 14: have a huge stock in the government conspiracies being like, oh,

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Speaker 14: this is all against me, it's a witch hunt. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 14: it isn't you broke the law, you're being indicted. It's

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Speaker 14: surprising to me that he's even a candidate. I'm all

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Speaker 14: for having a Republican candidate to like stop all this

448
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Speaker 14: nonsense spending, but him is just you know, if you

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Speaker 14: go to jail just like everybody else. It makes it

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Speaker 14: very clear that you are not above the law.

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Speaker 13: I think some of it is a witch hunt, for sure,

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Speaker 13: and I think some of it are legitimate claims, like

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Speaker 13: him telling, you know, the governor of Georgia or the

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Speaker 13: Secretary of State of Georgia that he needs to find votes.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the president calling someone like that is obviously

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Speaker 13: trying to intimidate an influence the election, and that's that's

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Speaker 13: something we should all stand up for and say that's wrong.

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Speaker 13: I wish the charges weren't there because it makes folks

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Speaker 13: like our friends here in the back row really solidify

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Speaker 13: behind them, and he's been able to turn it into

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Speaker 13: that sort of if I think someone back there said,

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Speaker 13: if they can come after me, they can come after you.

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Speaker 13: Well you're not. You're not intimidating secretary's of state, so

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Speaker 13: you're not. You're probably not in trouble. But I think

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Speaker 13: it's I think it's bad because I think it helps

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Speaker 13: the Trump supporters circle around Trump and make it look

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Speaker 13: like he's a victim, which I think he likes.

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Speaker 11: Words stupid. I think it's stupid. I think they're wasting

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Speaker 11: a ton of time, and yeah, they want the money and.

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Speaker 12: So welcome to the Banana Republic of America. This is

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Speaker 12: what other countries do to other candidates. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 12: if there are things who've done wrong. I think some

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Speaker 12: of the things that were done wrong, they wouldn't make

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Speaker 12: any issue of it if it wasn't a Republican or Trump.

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Speaker 9: It's deliberately done by I think, actually on a more

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Speaker 9: global level, to have a candidate who could fix America

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Speaker 9: taken out so we can be kept.

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Speaker 5: Under somebody's thumb who's doing.

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Speaker 9: Not probably Bill Case.

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Speaker 15: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If he does get convicted, if he ends up in jail,

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Speaker 5: would you still vote for him in the general election?

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Speaker 12: I would vote for him because other politicians have done

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Speaker 12: their political disuse from jail.

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Speaker 6: I definitely would vote for him. You have to, you know,

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Speaker 6: it's just everyone here agreed that something's going on crooked

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Speaker 6: what they're doing to him, So how can you believe

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Speaker 6: anything that's going on in the courts of these affidavits

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Speaker 6: or anything else they're.

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Speaker 4: Going after him.

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Speaker 11: I would vote for him, and I would hope that

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Speaker 11: the truth would eventually come out.

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Speaker 5: So, thinking ahead to that general election, let's assume it's

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Speaker 5: Trump versus Biden and Trump is fighting that election from jail.

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Speaker 5: Would anyone here be put off voting for Trump for

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Speaker 5: that reason?

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Speaker 9: I would vote for anybody who wasn't Biden, whether I

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Speaker 9: like them or not.

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Speaker 8: Think that it would be odd to vote for somebody

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Speaker 8: that's in jail, somebody who's supposed to be running our country.

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Speaker 8: The commander into you from jail doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 5: Put your hands up if you would vote for Trump

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Speaker 5: in that election if he was in jail, Dana, You're

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Speaker 5: a no.

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Speaker 4: How come?

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Speaker 10: How can you govern from jail? Like I think, even

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Speaker 10: if it was not a fair process, I just don't

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Speaker 10: see how you can govern effectively when you're taken out

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Speaker 10: of communication that way.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's quite significant.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 5: We've got four registered Republicans or independence who might lean

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Speaker 5: Republican in this room, and half of you were saying

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't vote for Donald Trump if he was the

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Speaker 5: nominee in a general election.

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Speaker 13: It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what you say. You

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Speaker 13: could say, what if he's dead, they'd still vote for him.

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Speaker 13: I mean that there is no line, right, There is

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Speaker 13: no line.

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Speaker 5: And I want to come back on that.

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Speaker 6: How about if Biden's the nominee and he's in a hospital,

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Speaker 6: mental hospital spoken to vote for him then.

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Speaker 13: Didn't really interest my question.

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Speaker 1: See a little bit of tension there on that. I

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Speaker 1: that's a good question.

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Speaker 3: You know they're very respectful to each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely are. I mean you had a I

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Speaker 1: think it was a very representative group. James broke this

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Speaker 1: down for us yesterday when we had him in studio

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Speaker 1: and he was talking about, you know, you've really got

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Speaker 1: three groups of voters here. You have the hard Trump like,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the folks who were like, I'd vote

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Speaker 1: for him from jail, I don't care, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I feel like i'd have to vote for

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Speaker 1: him if he's in jail. You've got the group that

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Speaker 1: is like open to Trump and likes a lot of

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Speaker 1: what he did, but they're also open out their candidates

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Speaker 1: and they have that like normy instinct of know about

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Speaker 1: having a president who's in prison, not sure that might

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Speaker 1: be too far from me. And then you have the

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Speaker 1: two who are anti Trump, you know, who are like, no,

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Speaker 1: he did something wrong, of course he's being held accountable.

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Speaker 1: And you know these people over here would say they'd

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Speaker 1: vote for him even if he was dead.

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Speaker 3: I would note.

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Speaker 2: Even the DeSantis guy though he was like, well, I

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Speaker 2: think some of the charges are a witch hunt. I

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Speaker 2: mean yeah, I think that see for them saying they

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Speaker 2: will vote for him even this early, just makes it that,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I.

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Speaker 3: Think a lot of those people would vote for him. So,

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Speaker 3: like some.

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Speaker 2: People say, they may not, but then when it came

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Speaker 2: down to it, you know, have the actual choice. It

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Speaker 2: also to be ambiguous you jail, like he could be sentenced,

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Speaker 2: but he may not actually be in jail. Then at

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Speaker 2: the time and it becomes president can make the case

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Speaker 2: they won't go to jail, which you know, who the

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Speaker 2: hell knows that's going to work with the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 2: I do think that the vast majority of people in

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Speaker 2: the room would end up voting for him as a

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Speaker 2: result in the fact that though that he does have

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Speaker 2: that Again, of the four people who said that they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't they all disagree on who they want to choose

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Speaker 2: and on which way they want. You have one Burgham

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Speaker 2: person who's like pro choice. Then you have another guy

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Speaker 2: here is like DeSantis, and then this other lady who

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Speaker 2: I believe she's the one who said plandemic, but she's

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Speaker 2: also not the one who was.

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Speaker 3: Going to vote for Trump. There was none agree on anything.

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Speaker 1: Vic Yeah, one of the one of the women there

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Speaker 1: in the front with the dark brown hair who said

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Speaker 1: that she couldn't just couldn't get her head around like

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Speaker 1: voting for how could he govern if he's in prison?

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Speaker 1: I think that was the the Vake supporter. So listen,

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Speaker 1: I think I agree with in terms of the primary,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these folks are gonna end up voting

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Speaker 1: for Trump or they're going to end up dividing between

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Speaker 1: Vivek and Rond de Santis and Nikkia whoever, right, Doug

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Speaker 1: Burghram Apparently the bigger question for me though, is in

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Speaker 1: a general election, if this legal trouble for Trump and

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Speaker 1: the trials are ongoing, and I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: the timeline is going to be such that will have

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Speaker 1: convictions or results by that time, but it is possible,

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Speaker 1: it's possible he's waiting sentencing. How is that going to

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Speaker 1: weigh even on some of the people who are kind

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Speaker 1: of sympathetic to him. Even if you have, like that's

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Speaker 1: a room of Republican primary voters, right, these are some

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Speaker 1: of the most committed, even the ones who you know

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Speaker 1: claim their independencies. These are committed Republican voters who show

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Speaker 1: up in elections, who show up to focus groups, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And if half of them are saying I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I can't vote for him if he's in prison, I

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Speaker 1: do think that's a problem for him in a general

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Speaker 1: election that may not be showing up in the pulsar.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see a focus group, you know, or

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Speaker 2: polling all that from the actual general election in genuine

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Speaker 2: swing states, because I agree with you. I think that

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Speaker 2: there is far more actual independent like people who are

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Speaker 2: not going to vote in a primary process, who might

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Speaker 2: be very different whenever it comes to real charge is

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Speaker 2: prison or any of that. I've said this, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I know people don't like to hear it, especially

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Speaker 2: if they're very online.

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Speaker 3: But you know, a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People in this country still do trust the justice system.

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Speaker 2: Don't ask me why, but they do. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people still have you know, a real like like a

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Speaker 2: they have a reverence for the courts and for the

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Speaker 2: idea of like jury trials and prosecutors.

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Speaker 3: And the law and all of those ideas.

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Speaker 2: So you know, if Trump is convicted to something like wow, wow,

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Speaker 2: you know clearly that's wrong. The other side of that, though,

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Speaker 2: is that they had that trust, and if it is

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Speaker 2: blatantly political and they see it as such, which most

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Speaker 2: people do well, it can erode trust and said justice system.

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Speaker 3: So I can argue it both ways. I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to have an electoral impact no matter what.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: What was interesting to me was that lady I was

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Speaker 1: referencing before, who I think is the big supporter, and

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Speaker 1: she said, even if I feel like the process is unfair,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like a level of national embarrassment. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I can't vote for this guy to be present from prison.

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Speaker 1: Like that's just too embarrassed, it's too weird, it's too

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Speaker 1: outside the norm. I just can't go there. And you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of traditional Republican voters, even though Trump was

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Speaker 1: the guy that upset the Apple card and you know,

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Speaker 1: anti institutional and all of this stuff, you still have

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republican voters who are you know, personally conservative,

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Speaker 1: meaning that they actually like some of the norms and

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Speaker 1: for things to stay within the lines. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's the visceral reaction that you're getting, especially from the

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Speaker 1: two women there in the front row who were like,

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Speaker 1: I just I just can't go there. Like, even though

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Speaker 1: even if I think the process is unfair, even if

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Speaker 1: I like some of what he did when he was president,

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Speaker 1: even if I'm considering voting for him in the primary,

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Speaker 1: which I think both of them are open to voting

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Speaker 1: for him in the primary, I that's just that's a

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Speaker 1: bridge too far. I just can't do it. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was interesting.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, So I mean, look, there's a lot there, guys,

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Speaker 2: And like I've said, one of my favorite things about

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Speaker 2: this is just hearing people show, don't tell, like, let

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Speaker 2: people some people are contradictory, but you know, this is

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Speaker 2: how people really think about the election, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people who are very, very tapped into politics often

650
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Speaker 2: forget that there's millions of people who actually vote, and

651
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Speaker 2: the stuff that they digest is not necessarily the same.

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Speaker 3: It's snippets.

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Speaker 2: They're living their daily lives, and this is a snapshot

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Speaker 2: at the very least of what we can look at. Next,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk a little bit about Ukraine, and

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Speaker 2: this is again a very significant part of our focus

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Speaker 2: group where even though you know, as I said, people

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Speaker 2: tune in and out, there was universal findings amongst our

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Speaker 2: focus group, even when pressed by moderator James about funding

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine and about how they view the conflict.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to get into here.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a list and we'll break it down on

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Speaker 2: the other side.

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Speaker 5: But the Ukraine War, has the funding for that been

665
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Speaker 5: too high? About right? Or too low?

666
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Speaker 4: Too high?

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Speaker 13: I'm not convinced it's being used effectively.

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Speaker 1: Too high.

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Speaker 10: I don't think we can afford it too high, unnecessary

670
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Speaker 10: much too high, and I'm not sure there's enough accountability

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Speaker 10: for it.

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Speaker 11: Too high, and we'd like to see more accountability as

673
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Speaker 11: to where.

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Speaker 12: It's going exactly too high, and I think some of

675
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Speaker 12: my is going places we wouldn't want to see. A God,

676
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Speaker 12: it's too high.

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Speaker 6: That there's a lot of scamming going on with the money,

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Speaker 6: and uh, look how they forgot about MAUI.

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Speaker 14: Too high, And I don't believe it should be always

680
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Speaker 14: us paying for everything.

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Speaker 5: Who would you rather saying? He who would you rather

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Speaker 5: see be the victor of that war? Ukraine Russia? Or

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Speaker 5: if you don't care, so you don't.

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Speaker 1: Care Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Don't care Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: So the Ukrainians might be watching this and go, but

687
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Speaker 5: we need the weapons, we need the one funding to

688
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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 12: Seriously, we could say, right, so what's your wrong went back,

690
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Speaker 12: but it's such a cricket government.

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Speaker 13: We just have a history of trying to fund the

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Speaker 13: right side that we think is the right side. We

693
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Speaker 13: look at like Cuba and Castro and you know, we

694
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Speaker 13: we have a hard time picking winners like that. So

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Speaker 13: we could support Ukraine, but we don't need to be

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Speaker 13: funding their entire military.

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Speaker 6: Don't forget there's a lot of Russians in ukrain that'll

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Speaker 6: faud that that are living in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: People don't realize that.

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Speaker 6: They think they're all Ukrainians, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: Russians who want Russia to take it over.

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Speaker 8: I just think that America needs to be a little

703
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Speaker 8: bit more concerned about America.

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Speaker 9: My heart goes out to Ukraine or any country that's

705
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Speaker 9: being maybe under the sum of a larger force, but

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Speaker 9: I think we need to take care of America first.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I love that clip because in it

708
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Speaker 2: they're all like, I think it's been too high. But

709
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Speaker 2: every single one of them say, for one said that

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Speaker 2: they want Ukraine to win. They're like, my heart is

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Speaker 2: with Ukraine. I feel bad for Ukraine, but we have to,

712
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Speaker 2: you know, have an actual priority here, and a lot

713
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Speaker 2: of them are very aware, Crystal of some things which

714
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Speaker 2: a lot of people in the media do not like

715
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Speaker 2: to talk about, except very recently until Selenski fired his

716
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Speaker 2: defense minister, where they're like, listen, I'm concerned about coruption

717
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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. I'm concerned about where this money is going.

718
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's been too high. They people feel

719
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Speaker 2: as if we're getting ripped off by the Europeans. I mean,

720
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Speaker 2: these are not views that you were going to hear articulated,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the media. And yet still it is

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Speaker 2: the overwhelming consent, the unanimous.

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Speaker 1: Consensusanimous offense the entire focus group here.

724
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Speaker 3: That's shocking.

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Speaker 2: I mean that that actually even flies in the face

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Speaker 2: of polling that we've seen from previous months. Out put

727
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Speaker 2: us up there on the screen. Please, this is from NPR.

728
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Speaker 2: This is from a few months ago, and this showed,

729
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Speaker 2: you know, that rural voters and GOP voters were beginning

730
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Speaker 2: to have a turn against this. This was in May

731
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, and then we found that even

732
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Speaker 2: more so again in May of twenty twenty three. But

733
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Speaker 2: you know, Crystal now to be sitting here in September

734
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, to see a unanimous finding in

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Speaker 2: our focus group. We're not going to claim that that's

736
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Speaker 2: you know, in any way represented all GOP voters, but

737
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Speaker 2: these are primary voters. These are people voting in the

738
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Speaker 2: state of New Hampshire. And you know, I even found

739
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Speaker 2: it fascinating. He was telling you before, even the guy

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Speaker 2: who said of Nikki Haley strong foreign policy, he thinks

741
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Speaker 2: who's been sending too much money to you? Play?

742
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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Even he yes, yeah, yeah, I mean that's one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's so fascinating when you actually talk to voters,

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Speaker 1: you realize there's a big disconnect oftentimes between you know,

746
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Speaker 1: if you ask him about the policy where they are,

747
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Speaker 1: and then how that connects to their political candidate choice.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's somewhat on display here. But also

749
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Speaker 1: you have to say, I mean there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: obviously Trump he's got his finger in the wind. He

751
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Speaker 1: was the first one to sort of like come out

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Speaker 1: on the side that these voters have now found themselves on.

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Speaker 1: You can see why Ron de Santis has found this

754
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Speaker 1: issue very difficult to navigate because he can read a poll,

755
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Speaker 1: he sees where the base is. He knows the donors

756
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Speaker 1: that he depends on, who, by the way, have been

757
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Speaker 1: like sort of fleeing his campaign and droves many of

758
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Speaker 1: them are on the other side of that. You can

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Speaker 1: see why Vivek has positioned himself the way that he

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Speaker 1: has and as clearly as he has. But it's so

761
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Speaker 1: funny because on the other hand, you know, when he

762
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Speaker 1: had that direct exchange with Nikki Haley in the debate,

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Speaker 1: even though the majority of Republican base voters would say, like,

764
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Speaker 1: you know, on the policy level, they're more in agreement

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Speaker 1: actually with the vig stance that exchanged, it a lot

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Speaker 1: for her in terms of people saying like, oh, she

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Speaker 1: won that debate just because she came off in this

768
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Speaker 1: strong way and leads to one of our focus group

769
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Speaker 1: participants who says, we're spending too much in Ukraine to say, oh,

770
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Speaker 1: I like her foreign policy. So I mean, it's just listen.

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Speaker 1: This is not to like, you know, shame them or anything.

772
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Speaker 1: They're just like normal people going about their lives and

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Speaker 1: trying to sort through these things the best that they can,

774
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Speaker 1: and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But it does

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Speaker 1: show you that there is not a one to one

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Speaker 1: connection between I think X on this issue and this

777
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Speaker 1: is the way I even feel about this candidate on

778
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Speaker 1: this particular issue. So that was fascinating to me. But

779
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Speaker 1: obviously the fact that it was unanimous, I was surprised

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Speaker 1: it was one hundred percent in it because we obviously

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Speaker 1: had in that room a lot of very different people

782
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Speaker 1: with a very different view of the political landscape also

783
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Speaker 1: who were taking in very different news sources. We played

784
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Speaker 1: that clip yesterday. You know, you had one guy who's

785
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Speaker 1: like and you probably remember which is, you know, the

786
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Speaker 1: hardest Trump guy is like Newsmax one hundred percent, and

787
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: you have Tucker Carlson. But then you had like five

788
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Speaker 1: thirty eight, and you had now mainstream other mainstream sources.

789
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Speaker 1: So there was a wide variety of news input going

790
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Speaker 1: into this group, and yet all of them one hundred

791
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Speaker 1: percent had come to the same conclusion for maybe a

792
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Speaker 1: variety of reasons. But even though we are really sympathetic

793
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Speaker 1: to Ukraine, we feel that it should not be the

794
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Speaker 1: US one hundred percent floating this thing, and what we

795
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Speaker 1: are doing is too high here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm talking to my monologue.

797
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Speaker 2: There's a very interesting moment President Zelenski finally defined pro Russian.

798
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Speaker 2: He has defined it as anything that goes against the

799
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Speaker 2: counter Ukraine consensus. And what I would show President Zelenski

800
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Speaker 2: is that clip. You know, there are many people in

801
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Speaker 2: this country, including me, we're like, yeah, we feel terrible

802
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: for you.

803
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Speaker 3: We think that what's happened to you is unjust.

804
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that we're going to bankroll this conflict

805
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Speaker 2: for all of time and you get to do whatever

806
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Speaker 2: you want, and you get your pick of the US

807
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: weapons armory, and that we get to sacrifice our national

808
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Speaker 2: security on your behalf.

809
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Speaker 3: I feel bad for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: You know how many times today do you walk down

811
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Speaker 2: the street and you're like, wow, I feel awful. Could

812
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Speaker 2: you realistically go through and you know, pay each person

813
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: homeless bill?

814
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: No, it's not how it works.

815
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Speaker 2: And these are realistic trade offs that everybody makes in

816
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: our daily life, that we all make in our foreign policy,

817
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: and yet we don't make apparently at all, whenever it

818
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: comes to the conflict in Ukraine. And it's one of

819
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Speaker 2: those where the inability to have nuance in the discussion

820
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Speaker 2: has just been maddening. Now for the last almost two

821
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Speaker 2: years of this entire conflict, and I guess the only

822
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: thing I'm heartened by is voters get it now. I mean,

823
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Speaker 2: let's be clear, this is a focus group. These are

824
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Speaker 2: GOP people. I guess they're probably the most predisposed to

825
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Speaker 2: hear this. I'm very curious though, to hear what an

826
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Speaker 2: actual like broad general election focus group would have to

827
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Speaker 2: say too, because beginning to suspect, it's a hell of

828
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Speaker 2: a lot more than people are thinking.

829
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Speaker 1: I think it's a lot more nuanced than the media

830
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Speaker 1: portrayal would have you believe. So don't worry. We'll be

831
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Speaker 1: looking to produce maybe some general election focus scar Oh don't.

832
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Speaker 3: Yeah that when the time will come, if people keep

833
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Speaker 3: signing up and we can afford it.

834
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Okay, exactly, all right.

835
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Speaker 2: I got to get the sales pitch of them there.

836
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Saudi Arabia. So yesterday was

837
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Speaker 2: September eleventh. You know, obviously it's always it's one of

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Speaker 2: theo's a strange day, you know, twenty something years onwards,

839
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Speaker 2: because it's like, how do you think about it? Some

840
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Speaker 2: people who watch our show, actually a lot of people

841
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Speaker 2: watching show weren't even live whenever that happened, where they

842
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Speaker 2: have no memory of that, and it's difficult in order

843
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Speaker 2: to think about it, you know, in terms of the

844
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Speaker 2: day itself.

845
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Speaker 3: But what's not difficult is to assess the legacy.

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Speaker 2: And I always actually like to think about September twelfth,

847
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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, because that's the day that everything

848
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Speaker 2: actually changed, that we are now what the twenty second

849
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Speaker 2: anniversary of Paul Wolfowitz decided of floating Iraq and Saddam

850
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Speaker 2: Hussein and the Camp David meeting so exactly, you know,

851
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Speaker 2: literally the day after nine eleven, they were already planning

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Speaker 2: on vading Iraqi.

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Speaker 3: You can go read about it if you're interesting.

854
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Speaker 2: And it's twenty two years I guess, you know, on

855
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Speaker 2: the date since we began covering up the role of

856
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Speaker 2: the government of Saudi Arabia in this conflict. And our

857
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Speaker 2: friend Klippenstein flagged this in one of the most disgusting

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Speaker 2: displays that I've seen from the White House yet where

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Speaker 2: they open when he praised Saudi Arabia on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: This was the spokesperson Adrian Watson of the National Security Council.

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Speaker 2: She says, quote, we welcome this weekend's announcement by Saudi

862
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Speaker 2: Arabia committing twenty billion dollars to support President Biden's signature initiative,

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Speaker 2: the Partnership for the Global Infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So even if.

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Speaker 2: They are funding, said, you know, global infrastructure, is nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven really the day that we should be praising

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Speaker 2: the Saudis as you flagged also Crystal the New York

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Speaker 2: Times ransom bizarre agit prop. Let's put this up there,

869
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Speaker 2: please on the screen. A pro Saudi normalization op ed

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Speaker 2: on nine to eleven and did not even disclose that

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Speaker 2: the writer works for a think tank which is funded

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Speaker 2: by the government of Saudi Arabia. And I mean literally

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Speaker 2: the column itself is directly pushing for like a Saud Look,

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Speaker 2: they're pushing for Saudi, you know, Saudi normalization. Ties between

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Speaker 2: the US is railed Saudi Arabia. I think that's all, like,

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Speaker 2: that's a legitimate point of view. But you know, right

877
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: there at the very top, a residence scholar at the

878
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.

879
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: Low and behold, like where does that money come from?

880
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: And then they have the goal to run it on

881
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, you know, without any shame, without any mention.

882
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: I just find this an exact run through of what

883
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: has happened over the last twenty two years, where we've

884
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: erased the government of Saudi Arabia's role in this entire conflict,

885
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: of their inability or at least complicity in order to

886
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: stop this plot, some say fund this plot, say at

887
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: least very aware of what was going on. We know,

888
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, we had that gentleman on our show not

889
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: that long ago who talked about how there was a

890
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: confirmed you know, FBI informant in Saudi Arabia, Saudi national

891
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: who who was interacting with two of the nine to

892
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: eleven hijackers before the entire plot happened. There's still so

893
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: much to be said about their role with the Taliban

894
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: and how deeply they were involved and knew of what

895
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: bin Laden was doing.

896
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: And then that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

897
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: The Bush administration openly flying Saudi people out of the

898
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: country and covering for their safety, you know, at a

899
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: time when three thousand Americans were smoldering dead, and you

900
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: know at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Center

901
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: and on United ninety three. So anyway, there's so much

902
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: to say there twenty something years on, you know, in

903
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 2: terms of what the impact has been, but I really

904
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: think today is the anniversary I always look to in

905
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: terms of the jump off point for really where everything

906
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: went wrong. You know, the entire modern era that you

907
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: and I are living in began that day, September twelfth.

908
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's been said many times, so

909
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: it's worth saying again. If we did absolutely nothing in

910
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: response to nine to eleven, it would have been far

911
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: far superior than what we ended up doing, which has

912
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: been a you know, complete calamity obviously for our men

913
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: and women who served and were injured and died and

914
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, still suffered PTSD to this day. The rates

915
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: of veterans suicide are absolutely a tragedy and really a

916
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: moral stain, I would say, on the country. That's to

917
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: say nothing of the you know, unbelievable toll on Iraqi

918
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: civil millions and civilians throughout the Middle East. So the

919
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: way that we know upended in entire region with complete

920
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: disastrous results. The amount of money, I mean, this is

921
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: like the least of the problems, but the amount of

922
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: money that was spent there when we could have been

923
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: investing in things that would have helped people here instead

924
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: of just murdering people and creating chaos. But you know,

925
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: on that, I think it's words funding. One more minute

926
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: on that Adam Johnson Chase, which flagged the Saudi propaganda

927
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: and the New York Times, because he had a really

928
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: good paragraph in his sub stack right up here. He says, listen,

929
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: wandering influencer. Think tanks is but one way the Saudi

930
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: government attempts to influence the US public and lawmakers. He

931
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: goes through, you know, Saudi funding of Vice News that

932
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: led that company to pull punches on their coverage, including

933
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: removing a documentary critical of MBS from its YouTube page.

934
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: They are the second largest investor in Twitter, helping Saudi

935
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: authorities gain favorable treatment, jailing or executing regime critics. Saudi

936
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Arabia is now a major player in Silicon Valley, in Hollywood,

937
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: and the DC lobbying world. But he says, nothing white

938
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: has the subtle and respectable impact of a well placed

939
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: think tank. Op ed in the English speaking world's most

940
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: influential newspaper, the pretense of academic credibility, the serious foreign

941
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: policy person pros the inability for even the most skeptical

942
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: observer to know who is footing the bill for the

943
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: writer in question. If The Times once to publish writers

944
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: commenting on Saudi affairs who are backed by the Saudi

945
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: regime on nine eleven, no less, that's their prerogative. But

946
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: if they do so, they should at the very least

947
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: let readers know about the glaring conflict of interest at work,

948
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: because obviously that would inform how you read this piece. So, yes,

949
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: this could be a completely legitimate perspective, one point of

950
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: view that this individual is sharing. But it matters that

951
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: you know who this person is being paid by and

952
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: why they might hold that view.

953
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it matters.

954
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: It matters a lot, and especially again in the paper

955
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: of record and for the Times. This is still the

956
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: worst media screw up of our entire lifetime, of which, look,

957
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 2: we got a little bit of accountability, but we didn't

958
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: get nearly enough. This is the New York Times. They

959
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: basically drove us, helped drive us into the war in

960
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: Iraq with their ridiculous Judy Miller coverage of Yellowcake uranium.

961
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: But even post nine to eleven, there's a lot still

962
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: to be said. Glenn Greenwald has done some incredible work.

963
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: I still recommend people go and look at it. In

964
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: terms of how the media dropped the ball on the

965
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: anthrax crisis and then end up using anthrax in order

966
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: to manufacture consent for even more like WMD freakout, which

967
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: led to the invasion of Iraq. It is the single

968
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: most insane period of our entire lifetime. And if you

969
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: weren't alive at that time, or if you were too

970
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: young to remember, I was really on the cuts. But

971
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: I've really only read more about the most insane parts.

972
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: But at least you know cognizant enough to remember the

973
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: day that we invaded Iraq and even.

974
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: The time just like, this is crazy.

975
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: This is nuts, you know, in order to watch this

976
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: and then the subsequent fallout, you're talking about so many

977
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: people we know who've been you know, injured or wounded

978
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: and combat or came back and never felt the same.

979
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: This is this is the reality I think of the fallout.

980
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: It's also funny because I was flagging for our team.

981
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: We tried our best to find some of these ads,

982
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: but we weren't able to put this up there. I

983
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: always like to try and remind people the government of

984
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia spent billions of dollars on US AD campaigns.

985
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: In terms of like television ads across nineteen different cities

986
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: and including on radio, to try and prove that they

987
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with nine to eleven and to

988
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: say they'd been a loyal ally. Here's a hilarious report.

989
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: August seventeenth, two thousand and four. Saudi's used nine to

990
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: eleven report in their US AD campaign quote. Stung by

991
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: criticism about its role in fighting terrorism, Saudi Arabia has

992
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: launched radio advertising in nineteen cities, citing the September eleventh

993
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Commission report as proof that has been a loyal ally

994
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: in the fight against al Qaeda. What they failed to mention, obviously,

995
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: is that there were secret pages withheld from the report

996
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: which directly discussed how a Saudi national and likely intelligence

997
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: agent almost certainly knew of the plot for nine to

998
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: eleven and at the very least had reported some of

999
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: this back to RIOD that wasn't even declassified until a

1000
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: couple of years ago.

1001
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: Crystal.

1002
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: So, I mean, just to think about how we used

1003
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: the nine to eleven Commission report, which has all sorts

1004
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: of problems, and then it directly covered up the Saudi

1005
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: role inside said report, and they used that to spend

1006
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: billions of dollars trying to, you know, rebuild their image.

1007
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: This is why, you know, we freak out so much

1008
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: about live golf and you know, all the stuff that

1009
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: was going on there, even you know, Saudi connection. Because

1010
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: at the basic level, this government is the most responsible

1011
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 2: for one of the worst attacks on our soil since

1012
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: freaking Pearl Harbor, and they got away with it scot free.

1013
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: I mean, the Japanese, you know, you.

1014
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: Could at least say they got paid back for what

1015
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: they did. This Now that most of the people were responsible,

1016
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: they're sitting pretty they're multi billionaires, and they're hanging out

1017
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: in riyadd.

1018
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Today, all of the Biden administrations rhetoric about human rights

1019
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: and democracy, I mean, it's just our uncritical support of

1020
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and Israel, I should add. I mean, it

1021
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: just makes a mockery of any idea that those values

1022
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: are really at the core of what the Biden administration

1023
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: is up to.

1024
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then that's not none of us was even

1026
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: to mention an insane moment from President Biden yesterday. He's

1027
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: flying back from Vietnam, came back the Pacific route, landed

1028
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: in Anchorage, and decided to give a speech when he

1029
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: was back in US soil commemorating nine to eleven, and

1030
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: during said speech, claimed that on September twelfth, two thousand

1031
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: and one, that he was present at ground zero. Now,

1032
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: let's hear from his words, and we'll give you the

1033
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: fact check on the other side.

1034
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 16: Each of those precious lives stolen too soon when evil attacked.

1035
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: Browns are in New York, and.

1036
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 16: I remember standing there the next day and looking at

1037
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 16: the building. I felt like I was looking through the

1038
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 16: gates of hell. It looked so devastating because the way

1039
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 16: you could away from where you could stand.

1040
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, And Chrystal, it takes not a genius to

1041
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: know Joe Biden was in one Washington because he was

1042
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: on the Senate floor on September twelve, two thousand and one,

1043
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: where they voted on the Senate floor to condemn the

1044
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: nine to eleven terror attacks and began much of the

1045
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: freak out and the lead up to the war in

1046
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: Iraq from that point forward. He wasn't there on nine

1047
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: eleven Ground zero, And when I first heard about it,

1048
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I was like, did he mean

1049
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: the Pentagon? You know, because it's conceivable that senators and

1050
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: other elected officials had gone over to the Pentagon to

1051
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: go see the room. But no, he literally said ground zero.

1052
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: He talked about New York City and the World Trade Center.

1053
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: It's just straight up lie. He wasn't there, and this

1054
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: is the first time there with him. Yeah, I guess

1055
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: Cornpop is really Cornpop actually flew him there. Never no

1056
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: other flights were flying in the United States. It's just like,

1057
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, is it funny. It's just

1058
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: like an open thing that he does over and over

1059
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: and over again where he just makes up these stories completely.

1060
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: And we're talking about this earlier. This isn't just an

1061
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: age thing. He's been doing this.

1062
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: Forever, right, this one you can't chalk up to like, oh, Grandpa,

1063
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: Joe's having a dimension moment. No, Like, this is very

1064
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: consistent pattern throughout his career. I mean, where he just

1065
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, stuff up. He's studying what got arrested with

1066
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela or something was one of them, remember that one.

1067
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: I meansed just I just I never understand in instances

1068
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: like this, or like Kamala with her fweedom thing or sorry,

1069
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the most ridiculous example is George Santos, who

1070
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: lives literally everything or you know Trump also will just

1071
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: like completely embellish or make up things too. You know,

1072
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Vonda Santas came with me to me with tears in

1073
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: his eyes whatever. Some of these things. I'm just like,

1074
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: why would you lie about that? Like why do you

1075
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: need to say You don't need to say that. You

1076
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: can express, like, you know, condolences and the gravity of

1077
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: the moment and really convey how much you get it

1078
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: without just like making shit up. And we'll never We'll

1079
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: never understand it. One side, interesting side note that was

1080
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: flagged about this is his stopover in Anchorage, Alaska. A

1081
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: whole suite of Biden administration officials have been like making

1082
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: a olgrimage to Alaska, and the reason is because it's

1083
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: the home of Senator Lisa Murkowski, who is the Republican

1084
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: in the Senate who is most open to working with

1085
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: them on anything on their agenda and confirmations, etc. And

1086
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: so you've had Merritt Garland, HUD Secretary Marsha Fudge, EPA Administrator,

1087
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Administrator Michael Reagan, White House Senior Advisor Mitch Landrew, Deputy

1088
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: Interior Secretary Tommy Boudreau, Senior HHS administrator Tom Coderre. I

1089
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: think Pete Boodagie made a trip as well. And now

1090
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Speaker 1: you've got Joe Biden making a point of stopping over

1091
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: in Anchorage on nine to eleven to do his remembrance there.

1092
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Speaker 1: So very noteworthy the full court press that has been

1093
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: for the charm offensive that has been laid upon Lisa

1094
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Speaker 1: Murkowski there.

1095
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's odd. It's also yeah, like to

1096
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: do it from Alaska. There was also the White House

1097
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: was pressed They're like, hey, why is President Biden not

1098
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 2: at ground zero today? And they were like, well, twenty

1099
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: two years after Pearl Harbor, it's not like the President

1100
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: was still going to Pearl Harbor. But actually people went

1101
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: back and checked. JFK did for like twenty two years.

1102
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm not look, I'm not saying you need to go.

1103
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm just like the justification that you're saying as to

1104
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: why you didn't go, and then to spend the day

1105
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: again lying about what you're doing. I think it's a

1106
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: self aggrandizement thing. There was there's stories with like Lyndon Johnson.

1107
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: Johnson is a notorious liar as well, and then Bellischer

1108
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: and one of the things he didn't realize is that

1109
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: when he became president people would actually begin to check

1110
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: some of the things that he's right, and he just couldn't.

1111
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: He was it was congenital, like he'd been doing it

1112
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: for so long that he just couldn't get away from

1113
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: telling stories that were false. And his age would be like, sorry,

1114
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: you need to stop saying it that it didn't that

1115
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: didn't happen, but in his mind it did happen.

1116
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: I think Biden is the same way.

1117
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: I think they both of them are very similar to

1118
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: lifetime in the Senate, lifetime in Washington. He's probably spent

1119
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: a lifetime at cocktail parties, dining out on stories which

1120
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: is completely not true. And you know, whenever you're you know,

1121
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: by the time you're that old, it's baked in. And

1122
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: there's also a media thing here where he just gets

1123
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: away with it. I only saw a conservative media do

1124
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: something like this. It was once upon a time when

1125
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, the New York Times and others would have

1126
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: been like, hey, just so we're all aware, how the president,

1127
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, marked like supposedly a hallow day and remembrance

1128
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 2: all that actually just didn't happen at all, Like, yeah,

1129
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: told it outright falsehood on that didn't see one, not

1130
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: one story.

1131
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: It's an interesting point about LBJ because I think part

1132
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: of it with Biden too has got to be I

1133
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: think it probably he's told these stories so many times

1134
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: they are just ingrained to the point where he, I

1135
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: don't know, thinks it. Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't

1136
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: even think twice about rolling them out. But then the

1137
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: other part is probably the fact that people now with

1138
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: the Internet can just ease like they don't need the

1139
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: New York Times to tell them where you were on

1140
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: September twelfth. They can just easily look it up and

1141
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: the record is all there and available for the public.

1142
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: Like he hasn't probably really grappled with that new reality.

1143
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: Good point with that now multi decade old reality, since

1144
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I conframed yet.

1145
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: This is a very interesting story I know that a

1146
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: lot of you are very interested in, and it just

1147
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: highlights the changing nature of our demographics, of land use

1148
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: and of the housing markets. So let's go and put

1149
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. This is about how

1150
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: the pandemic population boom in rural areas has sparked resentment

1151
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: from a lot of local residents. And one of the

1152
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: things that we have there on the screen which is

1153
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: really useful is this map. If we can keep it

1154
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: up there, you can see how populations by county which

1155
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: have gained over two thousand, or at the very least

1156
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: have gained population disproportionately are in the heartland and in

1157
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: counties which previously had never seen that type of growth.

1158
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: Counties that lost over two thousand people, you'll see are overrepresented,

1159
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: like the Miami Dade area, population centers in Texas, population

1160
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: centers in California, and population centers in the industrial Midwest.

1161
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: All of this was driven by work from home, people

1162
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: retiring early, people deciding that they want more land, the

1163
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: suburban life.

1164
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: We've talked about that before.

1165
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: But part of the problem is that the booming of

1166
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: rural America, which would be a good story if it

1167
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: was the rural Americas themselves who were booming, is creating

1168
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: both a land use crisis and an infrastructure crisis and

1169
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: a housing crisis in many of these areas. So, for example,

1170
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, Montana has seen a massive amount of net

1171
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: in migration from California, second home homers and others. Population

1172
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: increases in some cases crystal have sent skyrocketing prices of

1173
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: forty percent. In rural areas, schools are overloaded, farm land

1174
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: prices are dramatically higher. Land use is becoming a huge problem.

1175
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: Many of the people who live in said areas are

1176
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: finding it completely unable to sustain the way of life

1177
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: that they already had or to be able to purchase

1178
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: the house. Some of the counties in particular that they

1179
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: show which have boomed the most Jackson County, Georgia, Flathead County, Montana,

1180
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: Hawaii County Hawaii, Gallatin County, Montana, Moore County, North Carolina,

1181
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: Harnette County, North Carolina, Iron County, Utah, Bonnard County, Idaho,

1182
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: twins Fall County, Idaho, and Bullet County, Georgia. So basically

1183
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: it's like Georgia, Montana, Hawaii, North Carolina, Idaho. These are states,

1184
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, with pretty smaller populations. They're definitely didn't we

1185
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: were not ready for the infrastructure or boom that they

1186
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: would need to cope with this, and residents themselves are

1187
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: left with lesser services and more expensive quality of life.

1188
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: It just again just goes back to the housing supply

1189
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: problem that we have right now. And I don't know,

1190
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to villainize people who just wanted

1191
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: to move somewhere else in America. There's nothing wrong with that,

1192
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: but there is something wrong with if you live somewhere

1193
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: the Flathead.

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00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 3: You know, I've been there.

1195
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful part of the Country's one of my

1196
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: favorite parts. It's really tough, you know, for me to

1197
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: imagine you live there, grew up your whole life.

1198
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's the outdoors and all that. Everything starts

1199
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: to get more crowded.

1200
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: You're getting crowded out of places that you've been going

1201
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: to for a long time. That's really difficult to swallow.

1202
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: It's like a rural version of the problem of gentrification

1203
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: in cities where people have been longtime residents, suddenly their

1204
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: neighborhood becomes like the cool hit place for young professionals.

1205
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, there's luxury high rises going

1206
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: up and they are priced out of the neighborhood where

1207
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: they grew up back when it wasn't so cool in hipster.

1208
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: I think this is, in a sense, sort of like

1209
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the rural version of this. And what makes it interesting

1210
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: and even more complex is the fact that it's not

1211
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: like there was an even dispersal of people from cities

1212
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: into places across the country. Is very concentrated in certain areas,

1213
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: so the two places in particular that saw a lot

1214
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: of growth. The two types of places that saw a

1215
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: lot of growth were suburbs, which we were talking about

1216
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: how rent has become just like insanely expensive to get

1217
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: an apartment in a suburb, and that people who moved

1218
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: to the suburbs during the pandemic because they know they

1219
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: wanted more space and they no longer had to worry

1220
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: so much about a commune. They aren't moving back. So

1221
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: this is kind of like new reality, and there's a

1222
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: rush to try to figure out, you know, housing and

1223
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: do we do rent controls to how do we surge

1224
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot more apartment housing and affordable housing for people

1225
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: in the suburbs. And I mean, in some ways those locations,

1226
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: because at least there was some level of density before,

1227
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: may be better positioned to be able to cope with

1228
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: the influx of residents. But then the other category of

1229
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: places that really surged in terms of population growth where

1230
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: these sort of like vacation hotspot destinations. Yeah, where like

1231
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Montana is a great example of that, where you know,

1232
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: it's really beautiful and if you're a person who's super outdoorsy,

1233
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: this could be a dream come true true to be

1234
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: able to live in, you know, the town of your

1235
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: dreams in Montana. But these are small rural communities that

1236
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: weren't prepared for this influx, and so and we shouldn't

1237
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: understand too. There's like a culture clash as well. You know,

1238
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: you've got a very red conservative state in Montana and

1239
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: some of the folks who have moved there are from

1240
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: California and have very different you know, values and world

1241
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: views and outlooks, and so there's also even beyond the

1242
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: concerns about being priced down of their own hometowns, people

1243
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: coming in and you know, still maintaining their La or

1244
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: San Francisco jobs and the commensurate salaries and what they're

1245
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: able to afford. But there's also a sense of like

1246
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: is this town even going to be what this town

1247
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: was to me. It's like a sense of an attack

1248
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: on a way of life.

1249
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: It's tough to with the farmland I was referencing farmland.

1250
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: It's the highest level that it's ever been. Farmland prices

1251
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: are up over seven point four percent. We also have

1252
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: seen that a lot of this land, at least if

1253
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: zoning allows for it, even though it's been zoned or

1254
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: was used for agricultural purposes in areas where they're able

1255
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: to just buy into their building developments, and once again

1256
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well we have housing prices where you

1257
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: have problems with land and all that, but we all

1258
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: got to eat. And you know, whenever that happens, you're

1259
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: destroying an entire way of life that's existed there for generations.

1260
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot to say here, you know about what

1261
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: that is. I don't know what the answer is. It's

1262
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: really hard. It's one of those where I really feel

1263
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: for the people if you lived in an area your

1264
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: whole life and you're now not able to afford the

1265
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: place that you were, and you know, in some cases

1266
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: like flat at It, we're talking about that. I only

1267
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: know because this is the one place I've been to

1268
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: when I went to Glacier National Park is one of

1269
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: the most pristine, incredible places that I've ever been in

1270
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: my whole life. I totally get it why anybody would

1271
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: have the time and the money or the resource or

1272
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: whatever would want to relocate there, at the very least

1273
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: for the summer. But there's a threat in population and

1274
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: people who have been there for a long time, long

1275
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: before you know, any of these lake houses and all

1276
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: those things, yeah, start to pop up.

1277
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1278
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: You know, and especially if you were working poor you

1279
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: work at one of these ski resorts. One of the

1280
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: things they point to is that the North Carolina counties

1281
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: I mentioned, they just have a bunch of golf courses. Well,

1282
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: what if you work in the golf course, Like, how

1283
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: are you supposed to get to work? So if you

1284
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: can't even rent or anywhere in the area. I was

1285
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: just in Martha's Vineyard. They were taught me about the

1286
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: same thing. They're like, yeah, the biggest problem here is

1287
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: all these rich people moved here during the pandemic, but

1288
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: now and then they want all these services, and then

1289
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: they're shocked whenever nobody can afford the rent, or that

1290
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: the prices are super high, because the rent is sky

1291
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: high for any of the people who are serving in

1292
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: the service sector have to live on set Island. Like,

1293
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: it's a huge competition for housing. It's a very difficult

1294
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: problem to actually solve.

1295
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the economic piece is not easy to solve,

1296
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: but it is solvable in terms of surging affordable housing

1297
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: and you know, innovative programs there. I'm optimistic that in

1298
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: terms of the culture class that these things kind of

1299
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: work themselves over over time as people get to know

1300
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, the way that you feel

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00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: about someone Theoretically, when you're just encountering them in like

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00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: an online exchange or like you know, through the prism

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00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: of whatever news outlet that you happen to be consuming,

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Speaker 1: it's very different from when this person is your neighbor

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00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: and you're meeting them and you get to know their

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Speaker 1: kids and their reasons for being there and what their

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Speaker 1: lives are all about. So and and by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, I live in a rural area where I

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Speaker 1: grew up. I so even though I'm not conservative, I

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Speaker 1: am also very personally attached to like the rural character

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Speaker 1: of my town. So I have sympathy for the view

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Speaker 1: of like you're changing this place that I like it

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Speaker 1: the way it is. You know, this is how I

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Speaker 1: think of it, this is my perception of it, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want it to change. So I'm very sympathetic

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00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: to that perspective. But I do think those sort of

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Speaker 1: like cultural tension probably somewhat works itself out over time,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got to I mean, the housing is

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: the key. It's the core of so many of these issues.

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Speaker 1: That we talk about, and it's just the most basic

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Speaker 1: building block of people being able to live and feel

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Speaker 1: stable and be able to have families and be able

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Speaker 1: to raise kids and you know, be able to really

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Speaker 1: like achieve the things that they want for themselves and

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Speaker 1: their family. So that's so much at the core of

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Speaker 1: all of this.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, speaking of culture clash, Wall Street Journal had

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Speaker 1: what I thought was a really interesting article which perhaps

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Speaker 1: you know, I related to a little bit too much

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Speaker 1: in terms of my own children, about how kids these

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Speaker 1: days they're not watching you know, they're not really watching

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Speaker 1: TV shows as much. They're not really watching like the

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Speaker 1: Disney movies that I grew up on. It said, there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that, but it's not what they're

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Speaker 1: really going for. Many kids are super into certain YouTube creators.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen from the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: they say, sorry, mom and dad, but sitcoms, cartoons and

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: Disney movies are out. Kids today prefer to be entertained

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Speaker 1: by the likes of Mister Beasts, Unspeakable and Linky Box.

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Speaker 1: And the basic dynamic here won't surprise anyone, which is

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: that now that it's not just like you know, one

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Speaker 1: or two family TVs that everybody has to to, you know,

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Speaker 1: gather around or that's on in a way that everyone

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Speaker 1: in the household can at least see what sort of

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Speaker 1: content is being consumers consume. Everybody has their own screen,

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Speaker 1: and so they can choose their own entertainment options, including kids,

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Speaker 1: and they are choosing things that are you know, not

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Speaker 1: that their parents are not even aware exist, let alone

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Speaker 1: have any interest in consuming alongside of them. And since

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Speaker 1: it's on their own individual screen, they're not even getting

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Speaker 1: sort of like ambient awareness of what's going on. So

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Speaker 1: let me read you a little bit of this. They say.

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Speaker 1: An entertainment golf has long existence between adults and their

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Speaker 1: children's stars, and shows that attract kids can repel parents.

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Speaker 1: Happen with Mottley Crue, Beavis and butt Head, South Park,

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Speaker 1: even Elvis. Today, though we consume media, the way we

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Speaker 1: consume media has widened that chasm. Not long ago, a

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Speaker 1: single TV blasted from the living room. Parents didn't always

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Speaker 1: enjoy what their children watch, but at least they were

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Speaker 1: exposed to it. And then they've got some quotes from

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Speaker 1: parents who are you know, posting on parent forums, what

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Speaker 1: do I need to know about the YouTuber beluga.

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Speaker 3: I just look at that.

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Speaker 1: It is a cat, said one reply in the Chicago area. Emily,

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Speaker 1: Ryan's oldest son, Bear started constantly talking about unspeakable. Who

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Speaker 1: is that? What is that? Ryan, who's forty, recalls asking, yes,

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Speaker 1: I recently, sager, Yes, had a very similar experience.

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Speaker 3: You show me to this or these gentlemen whoever run

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Speaker 3: this channel?

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Speaker 1: Yes. So my son who is ten, and his bestie,

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Speaker 1: we were driving them to their soccer game and his

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Speaker 1: best friend is they're both really into YouTube, and his

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Speaker 1: best friend is always interested in the fact that we're

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. He was always talking to us about it whatever,

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Speaker 1: and he's also always shaming us. He's like, you only

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Speaker 1: have a million subs, like mister Bune, know how many

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Speaker 1: subs mister beast has. And so we got into this

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Speaker 1: conversation about some of the most popular YouTubers and they

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Speaker 1: started talking about some YouTube show called Skibvity toilet which

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Speaker 1: I was like, is that I've never heard of?

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Speaker 17: That?

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: Is that a real threat thing? What is that? Put

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Speaker 1: this up a screen? This is what this thing looks like.

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Speaker 1: It's this bizarre animation. Okay, these toilet head people who

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Speaker 1: are apparently in a war with cameraman people, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of music, there's shorts. These are YouTube shorts, so

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Speaker 1: they only last like a short period of times. And

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Speaker 1: none of it really at least to me. I watched

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Speaker 1: several episodes quote unquote of this. It all just looks

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Speaker 1: like this to me, none of it makes any sense.

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Speaker 1: But this is getting like hundreds of millions of views

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, and not only was I not aware of it,

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Speaker 1: Like I can't relate to it at all. So this

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Speaker 1: one's sort of landed close to home for visa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting. It's funny because

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Speaker 2: you know, we make our living on YouTube. As you said,

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Speaker 2: it's funny. Whenever I meet kids, the cool the coolest

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Speaker 2: thing is being a YouTuber. They're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I used have a YouTube sticker on my phone, which

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Speaker 2: I never thought about and which ended up being a

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Speaker 2: big deal for a lot of my Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 2: of children that I have interacted with and met. It's

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Speaker 2: funny because apparently when you ask them, every single one

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Speaker 2: of them wants to be a YouTube creator, Like they

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Speaker 2: all want to be YouTubers. Yeah, whenever they grow up,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense. I mean, and I kind of sympathize.

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Speaker 2: What the journal points to is like they're like parents

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Speaker 2: have always been baffled by what their kids are into.

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Speaker 3: It's like like they.

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Speaker 2: Pointed out South Park and these other things, which seemed

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Speaker 2: ridiculous at the time to a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: grew up with different type of animation. But then this

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: is like very cheap, but it's funny and it's crude.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, for this again, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: pretend I've never been an anime guy or some of

1417
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: our staff are very into anime.

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Speaker 3: Just looking at both of our producers.

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Speaker 2: And that's fine, you know, it's okay, especially for what

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Speaker 2: these kids are into. I actually the Mister Beast one

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: is the one that makes the most sense to me because.

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Speaker 3: I really like some of those videos.

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my favorite videos is Private Plane. I really

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01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: like to fuy so for me, like I loved watching

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01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: that video the Anti I've always been obsessed with Antarctica.

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Speaker 2: He's got a great video on that. But even some

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Speaker 2: of them, I mean, if you're into gaming. Again, I'm

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Speaker 2: not a gamer, but I know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who will watch hours of game content. Well, if that's

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Speaker 2: something that you like to do, then watching I mean,

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Speaker 2: I sympathize with this. I love to watch anybody who

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Speaker 2: is the best at what they do, and especially if

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Speaker 2: I can relate to it like a little bit. So

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Speaker 2: if you're really into gaming, they watch somebody was in

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: the top point zero one percent or whatever of that,

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: I would totally understand.

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Speaker 3: Help me think.

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, maybe I can do this whenever

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm into the game. It would be very entertaining. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put a value judgment on that.

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh there's some value it. I just think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So I even noticed a difference between my oldest daughter's

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: fifteen when she was little versus now. When she was little,

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01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was very like she really loved Dora

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01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: the Explorer, and you know, she really liked like she

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: there were very Disney movies that she was really into.

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: She liked this cartoon I think it was called Madeline

1448
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: than she was. And I was very aware of these things, right,

1449
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: And then even when my son who now is ten,

1450
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: when he was very little, there was more of a

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: connection between what he was watching. But now my youngest

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: daughter who is six, like, she is not really interested

1453
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: in watching a Disney movie, which you know, again very different.

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01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: She loves this channel on YouTube called Ninja Kids. She

1455
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: loves these people. She will do like you know, the

1456
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: fandom is very large. She's always asking for their merch

1457
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: and she wants to meet and do they do anything

1458
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: in public? Can I go see them? Like this is

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01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: her thing? And so it just is very different. And

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01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: she's still in an age where she doesn't have her

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: own screen in her own device. So that's why I'm

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: sort of more connected to what she's watching all the

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Speaker 1: time versus the older ones are doing their own thing.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say about skivity toilet, which both

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Speaker 1: our producers were like, oh, yeah, we know what that.

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01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: I asked though, my fifteen year old daughter about it,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, I've no idea what's talking about.

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01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: And she's on TikTok all the time, and apparently this

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: is also on TikTok. But so that could be like

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Speaker 1: a gender thing. I don't know. So, I mean it

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Speaker 1: just goes to show that even within this generation, the

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: level of silo between the content that they're consuming and

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: that they're being pitched and that the algorithm and is

1475
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: serving them is also really vast. Because I guarantee a

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: lot of the boys that she goes to school with

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: are all about skibbitty toilet and she had zero awareness

1478
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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: The toddler video I'm aware of is Miss Rachel. I

1481
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: know she's a big, big celebrity amongst people who have babies.

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: I saw a video of like a toddler meeting Miss Rachel,

1483
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: and it was like watching watching a toddler recognize YouTuber.

1484
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 3: It was just it was interesting.

1485
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, that's that's something that they're really growing

1486
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: up with it from a very early age. Her videos

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: have hundreds of millions of views. Yeah, her most popular

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: d is four hundred and ninety million. I don't know

1489
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: how she only has six million subscribers.

1490
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 4: That's wild.

1491
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 3: She lot crazy.

1492
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know who this person is. So I

1493
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: guess it's because toddlers can't subscribe to YouTube channel.

1494
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think a lot of parents

1495
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: put it on. I mean these some of these they

1496
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: look good. It's like baby learning with Miss Rachel, baby

1497
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: song speech and sign language, wheels on the bus, more

1498
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: nursery rhymes and kids songs, learn animals with Miss Rachel.

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Speaker 3: So these all seem like very productive. I was a parent.

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Speaker 3: You know, I guess when I become a parent, I'll

1501
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 3: probably lean on some of this stuff. It's interesting to

1502
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: think about.

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01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: At the same time, it relates a little bit to

1504
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: a news story I've been very interested in less pass

1505
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Disney and Charter have ended

1506
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: their dispute and have restored ESPN and ABC to fifteen

1507
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: million households. This dispute was very interesting because it pulled

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01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: ESPN and ABC off the air for char Rder Communication subscribers.

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: That's almost fifteen million households in the US which were

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01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: unable to watch college football. They ended up coming back

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01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: so that they could watch Monday night football for the

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Speaker 2: big game that happened last night, that New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: Rip Aaron Well, best Aaron Rodgers out there. I hope

1514
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: he's feeling better.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing about it, we'll say yes to his season.

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Speaker 2: The best that we can say about Disney and Charter,

1517
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: and the reason I was watching it closely, is the

1518
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: fact that they were only able.

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01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 3: To come to some sort of consensus.

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: Eventually was overpriced, and it's because Disney wanted more money

1521
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: for ESPN and Charter was like, what are you talking

1522
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: about more? And more people are dropping cable. We don't

1523
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 2: even think cable is a huge part of our business anymore.

1524
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: And the only reason they even came to a deal

1525
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: was for live sports. But a lot of other Disney

1526
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: programming is not going to be in the bundle anymore,

1527
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: like FXX and some of the other channels that they

1528
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: had that they've been running for a long time that

1529
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 2: will no longer be included. So this is a big

1530
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: story because even though they were able to come to

1531
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: a deal, we don't know yet what the financial terms

1532
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: and all of that looked. Like the fact that a

1533
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: cable company was willing to stand up and be like,

1534
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm not paying you what you want that has never

1535
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: really happened before whenever it came to ESPN, And it

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 2: shows the diminishing power of Disney and of all these

1537
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: cable companies, And it's the foreshadowing of what I think

1538
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: will come with CNN, Fox and MSNBC in the years

1539
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: to come.

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's notable that Number One, they came to a

1541
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: deal hours before I Think It's Monday Night Football was

1542
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: set to air, so clearly, like the live sports part

1543
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: of it was really critical to them feeling we've got

1544
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: to figure out something here. But the underlying business story

1545
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: is really interesting because Disney, to use one example here,

1546
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: they feel like the streaming is their company's future. However,

1547
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: right now it's not really profitable for them. So today

1548
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: with their business model, the cable carry fees are far

1549
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: more profitable for them. So they're effectively using the money

1550
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: that they're making from this dying industry to subsidize their

1551
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: streaming product that they feel will be the future. And obviously,

1552
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, Charter and other you know, paid cable TV

1553
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: companies are not happy about the fact that they feel

1554
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: like they are subsidizing the very thing that is going

1555
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: to destroy their own business. So that's sort of like

1556
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: the core tension here. And Charter wanted Disney streaming apps

1557
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: Disney Plus, Hulu, ESPN Plus to be made available at

1558
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: no extra cost to their pay TV customers, and Disney

1559
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: was like, get out of town. There's no way we're

1560
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: doing that. But that's sort of the central fight here,

1561
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody who's involved effectively recognizes that cable

1562
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: TV is a dying format and so everyone's trying to

1563
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: protect what they see as the future. And you know,

1564
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: for Charter to be able to protect what they have

1565
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: and hold on to it as long as they possibly can.

1566
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: And so that's why this fight is so interesting, because

1567
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: it really foreshadows some of the battles to come, and

1568
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: just the fact that this is, this whole model is

1569
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: dying before our eyes.

1570
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: Well, I can only hope. I wish Charter had not

1571
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: given in. I wish they could have let them burn.

1572
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: But it's okay, we'll get there one day. I'll enjoy

1573
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: seeing it, Crystal, what do you take it?

1574
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 3: A look at?

1575
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: It turns out rich people cheat on their taxes a lot.

1576
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: Research suggests that the top one percent hired roughly twenty

1577
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: percent of their yearly income. The amount for the point

1578
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: one percent is even higher. Also turns out the IRS

1579
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: hasn't exactly done a lot about this situation. In fact,

1580
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: low income Americans earning less than twenty five thousand dollars

1581
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: per year are five times more likely to be audited

1582
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: than anyone else. In other words, create a bunch of

1583
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: shell companies and hide millions in the Bahamas. You'll scape

1584
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: by the Feds, no problem. Fail to fully record your

1585
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: cash tip income from your job at the waffle house,

1586
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: and the IRS will be at your door tomorrow. Now,

1587
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: there's a pretty obvious explanation for this. IRS has faced

1588
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: huge budget cuts. It's way easier to go after the poor.

1589
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: Their tax avoidance is less fancy, and they don't have

1590
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: high priced lawyers and accountants to defend them. So after

1591
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: public outrage about these numbers and this blatantly unfair situation,

1592
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: Democrats actually secured some funding through the Inflation Production I

1593
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: for the IRS to hire more agents in order to

1594
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: go after wealthy tax cheats who routinely stiff the government.

1595
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: So everyone must have been happy, right, problem was identified,

1596
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: there was widespread outrage and now, for once the politicians

1597
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: are trying to do a little bit of something. Joy

1598
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: must have spread across the land, right, of course.

1599
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 5: Not.

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: Instead, Fox News, apparently desperate to protect rich tax cheats,

1601
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: concocted a conspiracy that the IRS was hiring eighty seven

1602
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: thousand new agents not true, who would be armed with

1603
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: guns also not true, to target the middle class. Take

1604
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: a listen to a sampling of their freak down on.

1605
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 18: Their website that listed the job requirements for a special

1606
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 18: agents position. The major duties require agents to quote carry

1607
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 18: a firearm and be willing to use deadly force if necessary.

1608
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 4: A little like James Bond.

1609
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 18: But instead of hunting down evil maniacs, these agents hunt

1610
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 18: down and kill middle class taxpayers on the.

1611
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 7: Heat it passing legislation to fund this new gestapo at

1612
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 7: the IRS. The organization is going to be used in

1613
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 7: the same abusive, corrupt manner as the FBI and the

1614
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 7: DOJ have been used.

1615
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 4: Deep in the army.

1616
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a praetorian guard that will be unleashed again.

1617
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,879
Speaker 17: Joe Biden said he was going to grow the middle class,

1618
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 17: Harris and unite the country. Instead, you have a government

1619
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 17: targeting the citizens and now arming this praetorian guard to

1620
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 17: go out and grab all the cash they can.

1621
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 19: These are the people who create the crime wave. America

1622
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 19: is suffering under it, and now they're blaming you for it.

1623
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 19: And for good measure, they're disarming you because you cannot

1624
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,879
Speaker 19: be trusted with guns, because you're too dangerous.

1625
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: And just in case you missed the.

1626
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 19: Theme here, they're hiring another eighty seven thousand armed IRS

1627
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 19: agents just to make sure that you obey got it?

1628
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: Got it?

1629
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: Is it clear? Now? Let me offer a little bit

1630
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: of sympathy, not to the liars and fabulous at Fox News,

1631
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: but to the ordinary Americans who had legitimate concerns about

1632
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: how this increased IRS funding might be used. Perfectly reasonable

1633
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: to be skeptical about the likely use of these government

1634
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 1: funds after many prior government abuses and failures, legitimate to

1635
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: want to see results before blessing this whole program. But

1636
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: now we've actually got some results starting to come in,

1637
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: and the early indications are actually pretty good. In July alone,

1638
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: the IRS was able to collect thirty eight million dollars

1639
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: in back taxes from the rich explicitly based on just

1640
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: a few months work. And now they are scaling up

1641
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: that effort, announcing a new initiative to pursue sixteen hundred

1642
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: millionaire tax sheats plus seventy five large businesses that are

1643
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: behind on hundreds of millions of dollars in their taxes.

1644
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: Coordinator the agency. The effort to collect on these obligations

1645
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: is thanks to the new funding, which allowed them not

1646
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: only to hire some more staff, but to develop technology

1647
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: internally that helps them to identify wealthy tax dodgers for enforcement.

1648
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: The overall enforcement goal for the wealthy, even with the

1649
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: additional funding, it's actually still really modest. The goal is

1650
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,839
Speaker 1: just to get back to the audit rates on the wealthy,

1651
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 1: which prevailed back in twenty eleven before sequestration and Republican

1652
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: push budget cuts stripped the IRS of funding, leading it

1653
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: to be critically understaffed. In twenty nineteen, for example, DIRS

1654
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: audited just zero point four percent of taxpayers who are

1655
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: earning more than half a million dollars. Back in twenty eleven,

1656
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: it audited about four point five percent of that same group.

1657
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: But there are other good things which could actually come

1658
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: out of this money too. Not only could we end

1659
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: up getting more from the rich, but we could also

1660
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: end up with a smoother, less expensive, less exploitative system

1661
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: for the average American. This year, the IRS is piloting

1662
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: a new public run, free tax filing system, similar to

1663
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: what is available in many other developed nations. For decades,

1664
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: tax prep companies, including H and R Block and into It,

1665
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: which owns TurboTax, they have blocked the government from creating

1666
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: such a direct e file system. Why so that these

1667
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: corporations can maintain their grip on the highly profitable tax

1668
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: prep market. In the early two thousand sies companies struck

1669
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: a deal with the government. The basic deal was you

1670
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: stay on the tax prep business and we will offer

1671
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: a free version of our software to middle and lower

1672
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: class tax filers. A surprise, surprise, Into It was caught

1673
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: cheating customers, tricking them into using the paid version when

1674
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: they should have qualified for the free one. Republica did

1675
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: some fantastic reporting on all of into its various schemes.

1676
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: That reporting led to a lot of public pressure. That

1677
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: public pressure led to an FTC investigation and a New

1678
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: York state lawsuit which won victims over one hundred million dollars.

1679
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: For these tricks, lawmakers were paying attention to and put

1680
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: money for a direct e file program into the Inflation

1681
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: Reduction Act. Now those efforts are beginning to bear some fruit,

1682
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: moving US one step closer to the possibility of an

1683
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: easier and completely free tax filing system for many. This

1684
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: in some ways, it's a small thing. In other ways,

1685
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: though it is meaningful. Research suggests that some seventy three

1686
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: percent of taxpayers are interested in the direct e file option,

1687
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: and sixty eight percent of those who currently use self

1688
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 1: preparation software were at least somewhat likely to want to switch.

1689
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: And if the government can show any green shoots of

1690
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: re building capacity to actually serve the public, that in

1691
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: my opinion, is a positive step forward. So definitely keep

1692
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: your skepticism, keep demanding proof that public money is being

1693
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: used to benefit the public, and also keep being skeptical

1694
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: that the rich aren't getting away with cheating and scanning

1695
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: you at every single term. But also keep your skepticism

1696
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: of the narratives being pushed by self interested blowhards will

1697
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: use any trick they can to protect the two tier

1698
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: system that they themselves benefit from. And Sara was heartened to.

1699
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 2: See, and if you want to hear my reaction to

1700
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1701
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: All right, sorry, we're looking at a.

1702
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: New Elon musk biography is making waves in recent days,

1703
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: with particularly focus on his control of Starlink and its

1704
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: use on the battlefield in Ukraine.

1705
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 3: The entire episode.

1706
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 2: Reveals a lot about how little capacity our government and

1707
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian government has over our future, over the way

1708
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: that the media treats even a slight deviation away from

1709
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: the Ukraine consensus, and about what the future of this

1710
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: entire conflict will look like. Give then said media environment,

1711
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: start with the basics the first explicit details of some

1712
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: long known news came out from a new passage of

1713
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: the Walter Isaacson biography of Elon Musk. Isaacson originally wrote

1714
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: that in September of twenty twenty two, Musk learned via

1715
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian military's use of starlink that they were planning

1716
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,520
Speaker 2: a sneak attack on the Russian fleet based in Crimea.

1717
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: The attack consisted of six small drone submarines packed full

1718
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: of explosives that relied on Elon Musk starling to guide

1719
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 2: them to their target before exploding on the Russian fleet.

1720
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: Upon learning of the attack, per Isaacson's telling, Elon decided

1721
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: that he should switch off starlink access because believe such

1722
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: an action would escalate the war and that, based upon

1723
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 2: communications to give him from the Russian government, that it

1724
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: could lead to a retaliatory nuclear strike. The claim, which

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Speaker 2: corresponds with multiple other reports of different instances where Elon's

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Speaker 2: direct information had in the war, set off a firestorm

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01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: of criticism Elon is taking the Russian side, how dare

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01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: he cut off the Ukrainian axis? The Ukrainian government, which

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01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: itself is literally entirely dependent on starlink, even tweeted out

1730
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,879
Speaker 2: a direct condemnation of Musk, top adviser to Lensky's this quote.

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01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the

1732
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 2: Russian military fleet via Starlink interference, Elon Musk has allowed

1733
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: this fleet to fire caliber missiles at Ukrainian cities. He

1734
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: further accused Elon of quote desperately wanting to defend war

1735
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: criminals and their desire to commit murder. The media had

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: a field day with this. They accused Elon of undermining

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01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian cause and even of treason. Here is Jake

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 2: Tapper on CNN pressing Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, why

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 2: is the government not punishing Elon for his transgression?

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01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 20: SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has recently confirmed a report that's

1741
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 20: in Walter Isaacson's new biography of Musk that last year,

1742
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 20: Musk blocked access to his Starlink satellite network in Crimea

1743
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 20: in order to disrupt a major Ukrainian attack on the

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 20: Russian navy there. In other words, Musk effectively sabotaged a

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 20: military operation by Ukraine a US ally against Russia, an

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 20: aggressor country that invaded a US ally. Should there be

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01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 20: repercussions for that?

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Speaker 21: Jake I can't speak to a specific episode. Here's what

1749
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 21: I can tell you. Starlink has been a vital tool

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 21: for the Ukrainians to be able to communicate with each other,

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01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 21: and particularly for the military to communicate in their effort

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01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 21: to defend all of Ukraine's territory. It remains so, and

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 21: I would expect it to continue to be critical to

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01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 21: their efforts.

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01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,839
Speaker 3: Why is Elon not being punished?

1756
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 2: Jake tapperlongs to now, Then, though a bizarre correction happened,

1757
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 2: Elon actually corrected Isaacson. He says, actually, what happened is

1758
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: that an emergency request came in from the Ukrainian government

1759
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: to activate Starlink in Crimea, where it had remained and

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01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: does remain unusable. Elon's surmise that the intent was to

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01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: sink the Russian fleet. He denied the request because if

1762
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: he'd agreed to it, then SpaceX would have been complicit

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: in a major active war and the conflict escalation. The

1764
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: next line is actually what stuck out to me, He says.

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01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: SpaceX is actually building a system called star Shield for

1766
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: the US government, which is similar to but smaller than Starlink.

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: This will then be owned and controlled by the government

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01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: there is so much going on here to break down.

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: First of all, so what if Elon post starlink service.

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Speaker 2: Even if he did at that time, Ukraine wouldn't have

1771
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: been paying for it. If they want to strike crimea

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01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: of their own accord, they can build their own starlink

1773
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: and find a competitor who doesn't mind being party to

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01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: set active war. Then if the US government wants to

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01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: co sign Ukraine's actions, they can provide Ukraine with set

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 2: satellite system if they wish, Except they can't. For all

1777
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: the money in the world that we spend in our military,

1778
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: it reveals how vulnerable that we actually are. We don't

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01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 2: make anything in house anymore. The government is a clearinghouse

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: for checks from the Congress that get sent out to

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 2: private companies and defense contractors like SpaceX. If they wanted

1782
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 2: no say from Elon in the war, don't rely on Elon.

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: For the basics of the war.

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Speaker 2: Over a year ago, it did a monologue on the

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01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: show warning we will come to regret the insane degree

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01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: that the US relies on people like Elon Musk for

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01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: critical state functions like NASA and SpaceX, or betting the

1788
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: farm on EVS, basically on his company and their charging infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Elon is one.

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Speaker 2: You should never rely on a single point of failure

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01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: or any billionaire or their whims for inherently democratic questions.

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: But everyone was fine with it then because he wasn't

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01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: questioning the establishment line. Solution is one Must himself pointed to.

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Speaker 2: If the United States Congress wants to declare war on Russia,

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01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: then they should make that case to the American people

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,879
Speaker 2: and they should be held accountable. If the US President

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01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 2: believes it is in the US national security interest to

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01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: sponsor and fund an attack on a Great Powers navy

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01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: in the middle of territory they consider theirs, do it

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Speaker 2: give Biden the best cocktail of drugs he can have

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01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: that debate until that time. The mess that the US

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01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: government of the Ukrainians are in is one of their making.

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: The only thing they rely on is controlling of the

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: narrative and the media, where anything that deviates from the

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01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: consensus is Russian propaganda or treasonous. As Glenn Greenwald has

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01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: aptly pointed out, Zelenski himself did an useful interview just

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01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: yesterday defining pro Russian propaganda. Zelensky says this quote, if

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Speaker 2: you're not with Ukraine, you are with Russia. If you

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01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 2: are not with Russia, you are with Ukraine. If partners

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01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 2: doing to help us, it means they will help Russia

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Speaker 2: to win.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 2: His most successful battle so far was defining those terms.

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: If you find yourself with a different view, you're not acceptable.

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01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: You're a Russian propagandist. Luckily for us, though he's not

1816
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 2: our president, we get to make our own decisions here

1817
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: in this country for ourselves.

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Speaker 3: And Crystal, I mean this entire episode.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Very

1821
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: fortunate to be joined once again in person by Congressman Rocanna,

1822
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: who is here to discuss a variety of issues. Great

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Speaker 1: to see against Sir Al.

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Speaker 4: Was good to be on set.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good you, sir so.

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Speaker 1: One thing that caught my attention is you have a

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Speaker 1: new sort of anti corruption plan that you have been pushing.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: is courtesy of unusual Wales, who had a breakdown of

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Speaker 1: some of the core components. He says, justin represent of

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Speaker 1: Rocana has introduced a new reform plan that number one

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01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: bands stock trading for Congress and spouse's bans ex Congress

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01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: members from lobbying Congress after they're done, imposes twelve year

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Speaker 1: limits for Congress and bands donations from lobbyists, and Pase

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Speaker 1: goes on to say that you have asked Biden to

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Speaker 1: adopt these plans. So just talked to us about the

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Speaker 1: key planks here and why you think this is important.

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Speaker 15: You know, whenever I put something out, I can never

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Speaker 15: tell what goes viral. This one did. Yeah, and it's

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01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 15: a pretty common sense. I mean, there is a deficit

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Speaker 15: of trust and institutions in America. Because of that, you

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01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 15: have people coming in and offering demagagurey. We've got to

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Speaker 15: fix that trust. And these are common sense reforms. I mean,

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01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 15: make sure that after you're in Congress you can't pull

1845
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 15: lobby for the companies where you which you were regulating.

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01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 15: Make sure you don't have any pack money, you don't

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01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 15: have any lobbyist money infiltrating Congress, have term limits both

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01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 15: for members of Congress and Supreme Court justices, band stock trading,

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01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 15: and make sure that people aren't profiting off their service.

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Speaker 15: And then finally, a code of ethics for Supreme Court justices.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you would personally not benefit from said plans,

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01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 2: so I think it's cool that you're actually implementing it.

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01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: But I'm also interested to hear about the term limit section.

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Speaker 2: We actually a discussion earlier on our show. There was

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Speaker 2: a big disagreement amongst our focus group that we had

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Speaker 2: a primary voters on whether we should have term moments

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 3: What made you come to that conclusion? Because you actually serve.

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Speaker 2: In the House, we're seniority, I believe on your side

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Speaker 2: is still in place.

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Speaker 3: Why should we have term moments, Well.

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Speaker 4: They're two termles.

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Speaker 15: We certainly should have them for Supreme Court justices that

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01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 15: are out of touch with modern life. With members of Congress,

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Speaker 15: I understand the argument that wanting't you let the voters decide,

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01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 15: But the reality is the Congress has a less turnover

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 15: these days than European monarchies according to the economists. There's

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01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 15: an article that actually looked at it, because you have

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01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 15: such a huge advantage when it comes to nay mighty

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01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 15: when it comes to fundraising, most congressional seats are uncontested,

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01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 15: don't have a serious test. So if you don't have

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01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 15: some term limit. You just aren't going to have change

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01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 15: and you're not going to have newer voices. But people

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01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 15: say Congress has everyone over sixty one of the reasons

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 15: this is really hard to get elected to break through Now,

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Speaker 15: I think it is hard to do because it takes

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01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 15: ten years to get seniority, so you have to start fresh.

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Speaker 4: But at some point we've got to do this.

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Speaker 1: How have your colleagues received as a plan, especially the

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Speaker 1: elderly ones who've been there for more than twelve years,

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01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: how do they feel about those?

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Speaker 15: Well, well, the terminotype even said grandfather some folks in or

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01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 15: grandfather folks in in terms of getting there, but we've

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 15: got to make some effort in terms of reform. I

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01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 15: think many of them just say, okay, he'll introduce it, and.

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 3: They don't think it's going to go and then it doesn't.

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01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 15: Go anywhere, and that feeds even more more cynicism. And

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Speaker 15: my hope is even if you disagree with one or

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01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 15: two of these things, at least do something. And the

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01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 15: way we're going to get it to move is for

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Speaker 15: the president and for the House and Senate to campaign

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Speaker 15: on some of these issues.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, has there been receptivity from the president I mean,

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Speaker 1: how are you pushing the president to adopt these planks.

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm talking to a lot of his campaign team.

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01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 15: I'm on his quote unquote advisory board in terms of

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01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 15: re election. But what I've said is, you can't allow

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01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 15: Donald Trump twice impeached, four times indicted to run as

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 15: the outs and he's going to try to say everyone

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01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 15: is corrupt, everyone is not doing their job, and we

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01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 15: have to show no, there's a real difference. So let's

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01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 15: take some key areas where we can show that difference.

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01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 15: We won't take corporate money for our party. We aren't

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 15: going to take packer lobbyist moneys, aren't going to do

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 15: that in the primaries. We're going to be for certain

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01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 15: basic reforms on the Supreme Court. These seem to be

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01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 15: common sense.

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Speaker 2: I want to zero in on something you said about

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Speaker 2: great going viral. We've always seen that here. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, virality isn't always everything, but the stock trade

1913
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: ban in particular, this one hits home at a very

1914
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: visceral and deep level. And yet we had learned that

1915
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: the President dropped one of the lines endorsing that from

1916
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 2: the State of the Union because of vociferous pushback in

1917
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 2: the House and in the Senate, and we've seen multitudes

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Speaker 2: of lawmakers now introduce this. So why is this one different? Like,

1919
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: how can we actually get this one done? Because this

1920
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: is one the super majority of Americans actually agree with.

1921
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 15: I agree, and this is why to the extent that

1922
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 15: it went viral because I haven't said anything new. I mean,

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 15: Abigail Spandberger has been fighting for this. Representative of Calasio,

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01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 15: Quortesan Matt Gates teamed up. I'm on both of those bills.

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Speaker 15: What I'm saying, though, is it's not going to pass

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01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 15: without it being part of the campaign agenda. If you

1927
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 15: campaign on it, if you promise it to the voters,

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01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 15: then you're going to be obligated to do it. And

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Speaker 15: we have never campaigned on it, We've never had it

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Speaker 15: as part of our party platform. My view is adopting

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01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 15: this as part of the party platform is going to

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Speaker 15: obligate us to do it.

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Speaker 4: And no one has run on these issues.

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Speaker 15: In my view that they're very popular and we've got

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Speaker 15: to get it done and it's a distinguishing from the

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Speaker 15: other side.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 1: So, turning to some questions we've asked you before about

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Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, there's a new report from writers I'm

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Speaker 1: reading from here that says Ukraine could get long range

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Speaker 1: missiles armed with US cluster bombs. Now, you've been opposed

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Speaker 1: to US arming the Ukrainians with cluster bombs, in particular

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Speaker 1: because you know they're considered human rights atrocity in most

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Speaker 1: parts of the world. Is there any progress on trying

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Speaker 1: to push forward any legislation that would block the administration

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Speaker 1: from making these kinds of moves.

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Speaker 15: Well, I voted on the amendment to try to block it.

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Speaker 15: I was in the small minority of House members probably

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Speaker 15: fifty sixty votes. So there's overwhelming support in the Congress

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Speaker 15: for the administration. I mean, we had the vote in

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Speaker 15: the House. The challenge is, I don't think that those

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Speaker 15: cluster bombs are making a difference on the ground, because

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Speaker 15: what you have is Russia. Putin has put land mines

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Speaker 15: in all of the Dnbas area. It's very, very sad.

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Speaker 15: But the counteroffensive because of that has been very difficult.

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Speaker 15: And if I mean, I'm opposed to cluster bombs, but

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Speaker 15: I also don't think that it effectively is reducing the

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Speaker 15: artillery disadvantage that Ukraine is at. And so I don't

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Speaker 15: see why we would compromise such fundamental principles where we

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Speaker 15: have the moral high ground by giving cluster bombs that

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Speaker 15: aren't being very effective.

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Speaker 3: So we're at crossroads here, Congressman.

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Speaker 2: The President is asked for twenty five billion dollars more

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Speaker 2: is attached it to disaster relief program. How do you

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Speaker 2: do you expect to vote for that? Do you have

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Speaker 2: any organized effort against it? You've previously spoken about diplomacy.

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Speaker 2: What's you're thinking about the sextra twenty five billion?

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Speaker 4: I will support it.

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Speaker 15: I know some of your viewers will not like the answer,

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Speaker 15: but I'm always transparent. I mean, I think we have

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Speaker 15: to support Ukraine while we also seek a just peace.

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Speaker 4: And if we don't support.

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Speaker 15: Them, now they're you know, we're giving license for Putin

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Speaker 15: to make more gains into Ukrainian territory. And I clearly

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Speaker 15: believe that Putin was morally wrong and wrong under an

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Speaker 15: international law. Now, if we can support Ukraine and if

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Speaker 15: they can continue to make some progress, It's been hard

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Speaker 15: fought progress, but some progress, then at the same time

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Speaker 15: we should be engaging our allies, France, India, others to

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Speaker 15: see a just piece.

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Speaker 3: But we haven't seen that just piece.

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Speaker 2: Or any of the lot of the engaging with the Allies,

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Speaker 2: and instead we've actually seen consistent escalation. I mean in

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Speaker 2: considering also in the twenty five billion as I understand it,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's no checks that Congress is been able

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Speaker 2: to ride in as by your own admission here about

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Speaker 2: long range missiles, about cluster moms, or isn't this just

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Speaker 2: a blank check for the administration to eventually just give

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Speaker 2: Ukraine whatever it wants with very little limitations in terms

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Speaker 2: of their use of our own arms and our ammunition.

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Speaker 15: The President Biden has actually been fairly judicious in saying

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Speaker 15: he doesn't want to escalate the war into Russian territory.

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Speaker 15: He has not engaged in any way United States military,

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Speaker 15: either our Air Force or our army, and he has

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Speaker 15: been careful to say Ukraine, look, you can take back

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Speaker 15: your territory, but don't attack Russia. And my view is

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Speaker 15: that he has those safeguards.

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Speaker 1: He has said those things, but Ukraine has continued to

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Speaker 1: attack Russia, including droon strikes in the heart of Moscow.

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Speaker 1: So I guess what we're trying to figure out is

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Speaker 1: what is the endgame? You know, what is the limiting principle?

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Speaker 1: Is there a point in time where you start to

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Speaker 1: threaten to withhold this aid so that you can begin

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Speaker 1: to bring the parties to the table. How do you

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Speaker 1: ever get to any sort of negotiators here, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: this has obviously been just an absolute catastrophe. The number

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Speaker 1: of lives that are lost and the seemingly endless nature

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Speaker 1: of it is horrifying to watch.

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Speaker 4: It is horrifying.

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Speaker 15: I mean, the endgame is that Russia moved out of

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Speaker 15: the territory which they took in the Donbas.

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Speaker 4: I mean that they're illegally there.

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Speaker 15: They have occupied that territory, they violated Ukrainian sovereign take

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Speaker 15: and we have to figure out how do we prevail

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Speaker 15: on them to do that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 15: we are trying to de escalate the conflict, and there

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Speaker 15: can be efforts at working towards de escalation, working towards

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Speaker 15: ceasefires in different parts of the country, while we hold

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Speaker 15: firm on Ukrainian sovereignty.

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Speaker 2: So let's say this is twenty five billion, the Ukrainians

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Speaker 2: do with the twenty five billion what they've done with

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Speaker 2: one hundred billion, which is use it make very little progress.

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Speaker 2: When we're sitting here nine months from now, and they

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Speaker 2: ask for another twenty five billion, what's the answer? Then

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Speaker 2: you give it to them again we pursue peace, Like,

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Speaker 2: what is the limiting principle on the amount of aid

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Speaker 2: that we're willing to send to Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Well, look, everything is contextual.

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Speaker 15: I'm not going to sit here and say for the

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Speaker 15: next twenty years we're going to be funding Ukraine. But

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Speaker 15: the point is that, certainly I think we have to

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Speaker 15: fund them in this request, and then we've got to

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Speaker 15: continue to make progress in trying to see how we

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Speaker 15: get Russia out of the Dnbas region and where they've

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Speaker 15: violated sovereignty. My view is you can engage allies in

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Speaker 15: that effort because there are allies who have a relationship

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Speaker 15: with Russia closer to ours who also believed that Russia

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Speaker 15: was wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, absolutely, but you keep using so I'm just

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Speaker 3: trying to understand.

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Speaker 2: You don't think a peace negotiation is possible unless Russia

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Speaker 2: restores the February twenty fourth borders in pre invasion.

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, is this war's never going to end.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think they've lost one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: people and you know, isolate themselves in the world that

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Speaker 2: they're just going to pull out from that board, Like

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Speaker 2: what level of ammunition would we even be able to

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Speaker 2: supply that? I don't even know if it's possible in

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Speaker 2: order to achieve that sort of solution. If that's what

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Speaker 2: a diplomatic solution looks like in your mind, well that.

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Speaker 4: Is that, that's what adjust peace looks like. Now, if Ukraine.

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Speaker 15: Has a different view, I would request I would defer

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Speaker 15: to Ukraine, and you know, at some point what we

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Speaker 15: need to do is make sure that Ukrainian their views,

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Speaker 15: their judgment is taken into account, and you know I

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Speaker 15: would support what they want. But my view of what

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Speaker 15: adjust peace would be is Russian would roll. If Ukrainians

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Speaker 15: come to a different conclusion. Obviously they have a judgment

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Speaker 15: to me.

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Speaker 2: I got to pick up there though, because their conclusion

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Speaker 2: is derivative of the amount of aid.

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Speaker 3: They don't exist without USA.

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Speaker 2: So if their ability to contest or to have this

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Speaker 2: expectation is entirely as a result of USA, then as

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Speaker 2: a result, USA it itself directly impacts what some sort

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Speaker 2: of solution would come to. Now, like if we pull out,

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Speaker 2: if we pull aid, let's say we don't pass said package. Actually,

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Speaker 2: a diplomatic solution looks a lot more likely now. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's justin if I were them, I

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Speaker 2: would be furious as well. But we also have to

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Speaker 2: consider our own interests here well.

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Speaker 15: The question is what are they capable of doing and

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Speaker 15: what do they want as a just solution. If they

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Speaker 15: come to a conclusion that they themselves have had too

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Speaker 15: many wants of lives and that they want some compromise

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Speaker 15: that is short of a just peace, that's very different

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Speaker 15: than us pulling aid and forcing their hand, which sets

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Speaker 15: a horrible precedent in my view, for China and Taiwan,

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Speaker 15: for Russia continuing the action of aggression. I mean, Russia

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Speaker 15: took Crimea, now they're taking done Bus.

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Speaker 4: What's next.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if we don't stand up and say, as

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Speaker 15: a big power, you can't just take a little power

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Speaker 15: or other country, then it undermines the rule of law

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Speaker 15: in the international system.

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Speaker 1: Connorson to Rob up here, let me ask you a

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Speaker 1: couple of political questions. So you've endorsed President Biden's reelection,

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Speaker 1: involved in you know, his what did you call it?

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Speaker 1: His advisory council.

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Speaker 15: Yet now Kyle and I are on the same side,

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Speaker 15: right call on your clip. I said he's going to

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Speaker 15: be on the advisory.

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Speaker 1: Board supporting Marion her in the primary. So it is

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Speaker 1: a very different position. But I wanted to ask you,

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01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: why do you think it's so close in the polls

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Speaker 1: right now with Trump? I mean, you've got some indications,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got some top line numbers. It's like

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Speaker 1: unemployments low, and the presence obviously out there selling the economy,

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Speaker 1: but the American people are also really not feeling it.

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Speaker 1: And they've seen a lot of the support, the social

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Speaker 1: safety net support that they enjoyed during the pandemic that

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Speaker 1: actually helped a lot of people that's been stripped away

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Speaker 1: and stripped away and stripped away under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: So what is your just sort of political analysis of

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Speaker 1: why he is struggling so much to get any kind

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Speaker 1: of a lead on a guy who's facing like ninety

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Speaker 1: one different criminal charges.

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Speaker 15: Three reasons. One, Gas is still high. I mean gas

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Speaker 15: in my district is five point fifty in Nevada. Trying

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Speaker 15: to get young people for the president, it's still over

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Speaker 15: five bucks. Housing costs are very high, rent is high.

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Speaker 15: The interest rates now are at seven to eight percent.

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Speaker 15: So if you're a young family and you want to

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Speaker 15: buy a home or try to get a mortgage, that's hard.

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Speaker 15: If you have credit card debt, that's hard. So we

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Speaker 15: look at the macro numbers of unemployment low, what this

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Speaker 15: president has done to bring manufacturing jobs back, but when

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Speaker 15: you look at individual families and young people, there's still

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Speaker 15: a lot of economic stress in the system. The second

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Speaker 15: part is that there is a total anger with the

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Speaker 15: status quo. That's why I'm talking about this political reform plan.

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Speaker 15: So if people say, oh, both sides are bad, all

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Speaker 15: of Congress is corrupt, we have to show no, there's

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Speaker 15: a difference. We are for principled leadership and cleaning up

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Speaker 15: the system and getting packed money out and big money out,

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Speaker 15: and the other side is not. I believe there is

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Speaker 15: a difference, but we have to communicate that. And the

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Speaker 15: final thing is, look, you've had four years of the

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Speaker 15: hollowing out of the working in middle class in this country.

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Speaker 15: This president is bringing that manufacturing back. But we've got

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Speaker 15: to tell the story and say, look, it's just the

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Speaker 15: first step. We've got decades more work to do. But

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Speaker 15: there's forty years of decline that we're trying to reverse.

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Speaker 2: Well, conorson we appreciate your transparency and engagement. As always,

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Speaker 2: it's very rare here in Washington. We appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for joining us, sir.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate it, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you guys later