1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Welcome Home, everybody. You are tuned into this week's mini pod. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: I am Tiffany Cross of course here with Angela Uri 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: and Andrew Gillham. Welcome home, everybody. Welcome home, all right, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: So I really wanted us to talk about what is 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: happening in Tulsa, Oklahoma this week. You guys, remember a 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: few years ago, everybody was paying attention to Tulsa, Oklahoma 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: because it was the one hundred year anniversary in twenty 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: twenty one of the Tulsa Race massacre, and so you know, yeah, 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: it shows out like Lovecraft Country and Watchman, and everyone 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: was focused on this. And unfortunately, after that centennial went away, 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: so too did a lot of the attention. However, what 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: happened in Tulsa is still very much active. Let me 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: first take you back in history to nineteen twenty one. 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: There was a young man by the name of Dick 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: Rowland who was an elevator operator in the white part 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: of the community. He was on an elevator when a 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: white woman, Sarah Page, got on this elevator with him. 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: Sarah Page alleged, as so many people did at that 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: time when it came to young black men. Sarah Page 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: alleged that Dick Roland had acted improperly with her, and 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: news spread throughout this white town, with each telling being 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: more exaggerated. There's doubt that anything even happened on this elevator. However, 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: when the white people heard about this, they had already 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: felt away about the Greenwood District of Tulsa, Oklahoma, which 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: housed black businesses, black professionals. I believe the dollar passed 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: through the neighborhood over thirty times before leaving the community. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: This was a self sufficient black community of what WB 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: Dubois would call the talented tenth. When news spread, a 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: white violent mob attacked the Greenwood District, destroying over twelve 32 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: hundred homes, innumerable black businesses. We don't know if this 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: could have been the next Hilton, so to speak, black 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: owned Hilton. There were black doctors practices there and they attacked, 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: killing hundreds of people. The exact number to this date 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: is still not known because they have not excavated all 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: the bodies. There's alleged participation from state elected officials, so 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: this is very much state sanctioned violence. Now they were 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: back in court this week before the Oklahoma Supreme Court, 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: and I'm going to kick it to you, Angela, to 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: tell us why they were in court. 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: Yes, and before we do that, there was a moment 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: in court by one of the justices that I think 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: we should hear less about what is happening and why 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: they were there, but the impact of them being there. 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: When I went to high school, I knew about the 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: trail of tears, I knew what Chief pleasant Porter wanted 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: prohibition in the Constitution, but Greenwood was never mentioned. And 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: so I think, regardless of what happens, that you're all 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: to be commended for making sure that that will never 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: happen again, and it will be in the history books. 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Justice calling, I would just like 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: to say two of I'd just like to say two 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: other things real quickly. One, as we plan in our petition, 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 4: over a third of the homes and businesses destroyed through 56 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 4: the MASCAT will never rebuild, and many of those people 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 4: we never heard from again. Eight thousand people were made 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 4: homeless overnight. And I want to say one last thing. 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: One hundred and seventeen years ago, the founders of the 60 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: Great State of Oklahoma wrote these powerful words is a 61 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: constitution of Article two, Section six quote. The courts of 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: justice of this State shall be open to every person, 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: and speedy and certain remedy afforded for every wrong and 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: for every injury to person, property of reputation and right, 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: and justice shall be a minister without sale, denial, delay 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 4: of presidents. Yet these planets have been ready for almost 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: one hundred and three years for our opportunity to be 68 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: in court to prove what happened to them and their community. 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: We're just simply asking that this court give us the 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: opportunity to be remanded it back to the district court 71 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: to prove our claims, and if we have an opportunity 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: at another time or discuss it after patroal, we look 73 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: forward to that. Thank you. 74 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Shout out to our brother De Mario Solomon Simmons, who 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: has been a champion of this truly since we were 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: in law school. I was on in the National Black 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: Law Students Association with him and this has been his battle. 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Reparations has been to Mario's battle. He is one of 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: the people who helped to educate me about the fact 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: that reparations is not just about what is old to 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: black people from slavery, but it is what is old 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: to black people at every single decades since. And this 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: is a case in point. If Greenwood are the financial 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: district where this happened in Tolsa was the only place 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: that it took place, that would be one thing, But 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: it's happened in multiple other states in multiple other time periods. 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: White mob's destruction because of you know, Project twenty twenty five, 88 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: like goals, there's always people who seek to deal, kill 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: and destroy. With this particular suit, all the attorneys were 90 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: asking was for this case to actually have its just 91 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: day in court. They appealed to the Supreme Court after 92 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: the case was dismissed at the district court level. And 93 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: the point is they're arguing that the statute of limitations 94 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: has not run on this despite it being one hundred 95 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: plus years old. The fact that it was a public 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: nuisance that took place and has impacted people on a 97 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: multi generational level, this should mean that they have their 98 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: opportunity to pursue justice against the city of Tulsa and 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: the state of Oklahoma. Of course, there's been broad pushback 100 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: on this. I have the opportunity to be in Tulsa 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: actually with U tiv During the centennial, I did a 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: special with title where I got to interview the three 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: remaining survivors. At that point. Of course, now we've lost 104 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: Uncle Red, and I think the real issue here is 105 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: how much longer you know, are they for these folks 106 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: to die out, which it seems like is in fact 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: the case. As you know, one survivor after another is 108 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: no longer with us. You just wonder if they're not here, 109 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: then there really isn't standing for the case. They were 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: adversely impacted by what happened in Tulsa personally. Some of 111 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: them had to flee their homes personally, so you wonder 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: what all is at stake. So I appreciate the justice 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: who talked about learning about the trail of Tears but 114 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: not learning about this. I was stunned by the number 115 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: of people in Tulsa who had not heard the story 116 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: of Greenwood, even folks who are descendants of survivors. 117 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: And I just want to say, Mother Fletcher is one 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: hundred and nine, Mother Randall is one hundred and eleven. 119 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: Uncle Red, who angela reference, was Mother Fletcher's younger brother. 120 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: We lost him at one hundred and one years old. 121 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: And if you ever met Uncle Red he one hundred 122 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: and one where because he liked the party. He loved 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: Roland Martin. He used always shout him out, but he 124 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: was just a fun guy. And their descendants have been impacted. 125 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: And even in Tulsa today, on the north side of Tulsa, 126 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: where the Greenwood District is housed, you can still see 127 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: the economic impact and you literally work alongside the descendants 128 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: of people who our families are suspected of participating in that. 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: I was down there for a special as well with 130 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: MSNBC at the time, and I was able to interview 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: the mayor, Mayor T. T. Bynum and his family. The 132 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: Black Wall Street Times uncovered that his family had enslaved 133 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: nearly I believe eighty people. And he is somebody who 134 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: is stauntly against reparations. The audacity, the caucacity of it 135 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: all is mind baffling, and I just want to say 136 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: to your point, Angela, Tulsa was not an anomaly. It 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: was the norm at the time. You can look at 138 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: the red Summer of nineteen nineteen in city. I wrote 139 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: about this extensively in my book in City after city 140 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: after city, from Indiana to Charleston, South Carolina, to Cleveland, Ohio, 141 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: to Gary, Indiana, and cities everywhere. At that time, we're 142 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: under attack, constant attack of violent white mobs. And I've 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: talked about this before. This is how law enforcements swole 144 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: their ranks because they said there was so much violence 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: against black people. They said, hey, if you guys are 146 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: going to beat and murder black folks, you can do it, 147 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: but you gotta wear a badge while you do it. 148 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: So there's a long history in this country when it 149 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: comes to racial violence, and people love to quote Chicago 150 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: and talk about how Chicago can't govern themselves. It started 151 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: the original destruction of Chicago was by a mob of 152 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: violent white people, and it was followed by decades of 153 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: unfair policies ever since. 154 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break. 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: But before we do, we all know it's important for 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: our community to stay informed, particularly in an election year. 157 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: So tell someone you know, to tell someone you know 158 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that they are listening to Native Lampod 159 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: every week, including our mini pods. We look forward to 160 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: hearing from you more after the break. 161 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: Man. 162 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 5: I I envy you two on having had the experience 163 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 5: of sitting there with these survivors. And you know, it 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: is still remarkable to me when I hear of folks 165 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: who have lived beyond the age of a hundred. But 166 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 5: you almost think at at these ages that these women 167 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: are here almost to see it through. You know. 168 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, Andrew. 169 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: And your friend, colleague, the lawyer to. 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Mario please follow tomorrow, attorney. 171 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 5: To Mario Mario. The fact that he reached back to 172 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 5: the constitution of their state. And I really, you know, 173 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 5: I'm a I'm big on words, the written word, particularly 174 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 5: those that are written you know, more historically, because there's 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 5: so much power in them right when they are fully executed. 176 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 5: That every person nott to have access to this court 177 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: means something to me. It means something to us. And 178 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 5: the fact that the lower court wants to summarily dismiss 179 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 5: this not on his merit, not on the merit. They're 180 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 5: not trying to demand, they're not trying to deny what happened, 181 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 5: but rather they're finding technical reasons of the law standing, 182 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: you know, even being partially you know, in an issue 183 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 5: here statue of limitations of which Jamrio points out in 184 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 5: his or arguments before the court in that state. In 185 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 5: its constitution and it's effectuating. Statutes don't have a limitation 186 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 5: of statutes when it comes to issues of light. So 187 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 5: you can directly core late the blight in that community. 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: When that community began to experience blight was after this massacre, 189 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 5: and every point since then, the the the quality of 190 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 5: life goes down, and prior to it, this was the 191 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 5: Black Wall Street. The point of the the point of 192 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 5: departure is extremely clear. At what point decline and blight, 193 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 5: the issues upon which they are seeking a legal reprieve began, 194 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 5: you know, the exact moment that this happened. Unfortunately, in 195 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: the case of of of the massacre that that that 196 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 5: took place there in Oklahoma and the Greenwood district, So 197 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 5: the court doesn't have I think it realizes that if 198 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: it has to hear the fullness of this argument on 199 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 5: its merits, that there is no way that they can, 200 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 5: as constitutional officers of that state turn a blind eye 201 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 5: to what occurred. It is well documented, it is well recorded. 202 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 5: We know what happened, we know what went down, right, 203 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 5: and so Angela Tiff I think they can't go there 204 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: because they're terrified of what this may signal. What does 205 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 5: this signal if our communities rose Wood and Florida and 206 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 5: elsewhere around the country, Chicago. What might it signal if 207 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 5: we then open up a legal doorway for the communities 208 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 5: who have been who are surviving and in some cases 209 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: thriving prior to the point at which white mobs turned 210 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 5: against them, burned them down, and massacred its residents. If 211 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 5: they actually have to go back and make that wrong right, 212 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 5: there's no way to ever make it right right. There's 213 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: no real justice that can be gained in this case 214 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 5: because because most of its survivors have gone on to glory, 215 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 5: they're waiting for these final two so that they will 216 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 5: have no individual left standing who will have literals standing 217 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 5: in the court for the case to be heard. They 218 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 5: don't want to open that door, y'all, because if they 219 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 5: open it, that door then looks like it can be 220 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 5: opened all across the country. I hate it for these 221 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: two women, I hate it for their descendants, but mostly, y'all, 222 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 5: I hate it for us because I think they are 223 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: foreclosing a legal pathway because they don't want to have 224 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: to reckon with the history here and what that history 225 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: has wrought. 226 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing to me too, Like we 227 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: have to be able to examine the many ways in 228 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: which we've been harmed from since our arrival. You know, 229 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the many race riots that they call 230 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: race riots, we call race massacres that have occurred since 231 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century. Detroit was hit three times eighteen six, 232 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, nineteen sixty seven, Memphis eighteen sixty six, 233 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: Atlanta nineteen oh six, East Saint Louis nineteen seventeen. Tiff 234 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: already talked about Red Summer nineteen nineteen, Arkansas, Maryland, New York, DC. 235 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: Two places in Maryland, Annapolis and Baltimore, New Orleans, Chicago, 236 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: and there were more at least twenty five. Right, Corbin, Kentucky, Rosewood. 237 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: You just mentioned all of these places, and we have 238 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: never been made whole from those situations, those violent attacks 239 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: that caused death and mass destruction in our communities. We've 240 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: been forced to rebuild. Yeah, of course, we've been forced 241 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: to rebuild from being stripped from our original home. We've 242 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: been forced to rebuild after being sharecroppers. We've been forced 243 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: to rebuild after being redlined out of entire neighborhoods and 244 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: racially restrictive covenants. And then once we were able to 245 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: to survive. They burned our shit down to the ground. 246 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: But we don't deserve but we didn't earn it. What 247 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: are you talking about? That's what's maddening to me. Tip, 248 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Just this last point, what's maddening to me, and why 249 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this, to throw this in 250 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: y'all's faces to every conservative outlet that tried to make 251 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: us look dumb when we addressed reparations last time, and 252 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: the fact that we probably do deserve a tax credit. 253 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: That's the least this country owes us as a tax 254 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: credit and an apology. 255 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 256 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: This isn't about like some hair brained scheme that we've 257 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: come up with and we're ignorant negroes who don't know 258 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. 259 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: That's not it. 260 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: It actually is well researched, well documented, full of data. 261 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: The economic harm, the social harm, the mental harm, the 262 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: psychological harm, the ancestral trauma that exists is well documented. 263 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Give us what you owe, period period. 264 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: So I actually never read I saw the headlines and 265 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: the conservative media. I never read it because they're so ridiculous. 266 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: It just didn't seem relevant. But yes, that we caused 267 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: quite a star when we were talking about that. But 268 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: I think I take your point Andrew about it being 269 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: precedent setting legally, and I just when I was writing 270 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: my book, I spent five months alone just on research 271 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: for the summer of nineteen nineteen. Of course we looked 272 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: at other acts of violent white aggression as well, but 273 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: the emotional toll of just reading about this and taking 274 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: it in one particular case of Elaine Arkansas. I won't 275 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: tell the story here, but the story of Elane, Arkansas 276 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: is bone chilling when you hear about how women and 277 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: children were murdered just for trying to organize. So I 278 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: want to bring this full circle because we are this 279 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: summer will be the anniversary of August teenth. A lot 280 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: of people know about Juneteenth, but August teenth was the 281 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: day that the folks aboard the Harriet in Louisiana band 282 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: together and defended the captain of that boat. And so 283 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: we have August teenth. This would be the one year 284 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: since that happened. This was the original Dick Rowland was 285 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 2: a child and the man in that community said, not Slim, 286 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: not today. We are going to stand on the front 287 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: lines and we are going to defend our families. Our women, 288 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: our children, our homes, with everything we have, and there 289 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: is something beautiful about a community that we belong to 290 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: coming together locking arms saying I wish you would they did. 291 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: They paid with their lives and many paid with their livelihoods. 292 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: It's not fair, but just seeing how tight knit of 293 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: a community we are, we don't have the privilege to 294 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: dislike each other, even if we kind of dislike that. 295 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: We don't have the privilege when we get out here 296 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: in the world. I gotta fight for you, you gotta 297 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: fight for me. And that's just the way it is. 298 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: And there's something beautiful I think about that. 299 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 5: I agree with that, and I also I just I 300 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 5: wish I wish people would for a moment contemplate what 301 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 5: if the founders of Walmart had their stuff reveled, stomped out, 302 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 5: taken from the cores light Amheuser Busch. So just similarly, 303 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 5: who knows what was what could have been birth there 304 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 5: all these all these businesses that we know as Fortune 305 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 5: one hundred and five hundred corporations, you know, real bootstrap 306 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 5: you know American uh uh industrial stories that we hear 307 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 5: that we know about that is created not just a 308 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 5: couple millionaires, but the founders, the founder's children, the founders 309 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 5: children's children, the founders children's children's children, legacies, centuries of 310 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 5: wealth that started on a storefront, So which which storefront? 311 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 5: And in Oklahoma and the Greenwood District, which storefront got burned? 312 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 5: That terrible naive many that could have been part of 313 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 5: the one hundred of the part top fifty corporations in America. 314 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 5: So just consider when you're thinking about folks begging and 315 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: getting something they don't deserve, the fact that we just 316 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 5: don't know what could have happened. We know what was happening, 317 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 5: we know what got snuffed out, but we don't know 318 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: what potential got killed, not just there but all over 319 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 5: this country where we've seen these recorded events, and those 320 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 5: recorded events had the benefit of stymying anybody else from 321 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 5: dreaming and thinking about what we could have accomplished, because 322 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: that same fate could have awaited them. So I just 323 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 5: missed me with all of the jokes in the unearned 324 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 5: and undeserved and all that kind of stuff that folks 325 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 5: like to throw on these kinds of conversations because you 326 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: don't know, because you ain never had your life disrupted 327 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: in quite that way. Well, your businesses are on that 328 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: top one hundred five hundred. 329 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: I think we're about to turn this mini pod into 330 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: a full pod. So I think we I hear, but 331 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: I think y'all made such the great points, and I 332 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: just want to close on quick CTA, and that's please 333 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 2: follow the Mario Solomon Simmons. He's at attorney Tomorrio and everything. 334 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: This brother is a modern day civil rights hero who 335 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: has devoted his life to this cause and many other causes. 336 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: This is his most promising uh one or most prevalent one, 337 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: I should say. But he's on the front lines of 338 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: a lot of other legal battles, including the freedmen in 339 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 2: Oklahoma who are denied citizenship by some of the indigenous 340 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: communities there. He's worth a follow. He's an inspiration. Tomorrio, 341 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: we love you. You are never standing alone in this fight. 342 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: Me Inngel Andrews send our love to you. All right, 343 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: thank you guys for tuning in to our mini pod. 344 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: We so appreciate you tuning in, so please be sure 345 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: to rate and review the show and forget. Full episodes 346 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: of Native Lampod drop every Thursday. Please tune in wherever 347 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. 348 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 349 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 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