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Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird already to think about how

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Speaker 1: But there was a time in recent history where the

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Speaker 1: deep dives of the meaning of the term wife guy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people trace the term to Drill, one

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Speaker 1: of our greatest living comedy minds, but it quickly evolved

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Speaker 1: into something else. A wife guy became someone who didn't

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Speaker 1: And if said wife guy was rich, handsome, successful, and

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Speaker 1: Like many Internet terms, the age of the wife guy

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Speaker 1: has come and gone. Twenty nineteen brought a slew of

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Speaker 1: listicles of famous wife guys who bravely publicly loved the

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Speaker 1: person they married, which just goes to show how gendered

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Speaker 1: Because a wife publicly celebrating her husband is nothing treated

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Speaker 1: not only because it sounds dumb, but because there is

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Speaker 1: So many wife guy behavior on social media started to

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Speaker 1: In some cases, a wife seemed to be a prop

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Speaker 1: or your willingness to listen to amateur rap. So by

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two people are over it, and you get

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Speaker 1: guardian headlines like the world is done with wife guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank God for that. Wife guys are seen now, sometimes

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Speaker 1: as less effusively loving and more insecure and wishing to

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Speaker 1: My mileage kind of varies on this concept, because if

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Speaker 1: and stomp around. It's a polarizing genre of post then

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Speaker 1: and now, But as long as the wife and the

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Speaker 1: our god given right. But what are the wife guys

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Speaker 1: really talk about? The many aspects of wife? Of course,

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Speaker 1: their wife's professional accomplishments, their relationship milestones, their hobbies, and

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Speaker 1: less commonly, explicitly celebrating their wife's body. If you know

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Speaker 1: nothing about today's story, I want you to go in cold,

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Speaker 1: and if you're revisiting this story, try to return with me.

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Speaker 1: It's the summer of twenty seventeen and you're sweating your

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Speaker 1: Desposito drifts out of the nearest CBS. You open your

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Speaker 1: social media of choice and there's screenshots of this Instagram post.

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Speaker 1: It's a picture of a straight white couple on a beach.

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Speaker 1: They're embracing and they're about to kiss. The post belongs

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Speaker 2: I love this woman and her curvy body. As a teenager,

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Speaker 2: There's nothing sexier to me than a woman who is

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, And as you finish reading the post, the

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Speaker 1: was and cannot be again because curvywife Guy and curvywife

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Speaker 1: Robbie and Sarah trip.

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Speaker 1: Six Welcome back to sixteenth minute, the show, where we

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Speaker 1: And oh boy, I hope you have a glass of

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Speaker 1: We are talking about the saga of the Kruvy wife guy,

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Speaker 1: or as he's not shy about letting people know. For

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Speaker 1: the last seven years, a guy named Robbie Trip. And

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Speaker 1: his wife, Sarah Tripp's body being at the center of

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Speaker 1: Kelly Dodson in our first episode of Sixteenth Minute, it's

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Speaker 1: originally unclear to the public how much Sarah is welcoming

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Speaker 1: that it did. Because the discourse around the Curvywife saga

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Speaker 1: through the original Curvywife saga and sixteenth minute exclusive having

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Speaker 1: a post mortem with the Curvywife guy himself. So buckle in,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a story, Come with me if you

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Speaker 1: dare to. July twenty seventeen, a Burundian team of teenage

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Speaker 1: less than a year removed from Trump's election, and in

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Speaker 1: only to devolve into yet another social movement that centers

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Speaker 1: white collar white women but does radicalize many. And On

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Speaker 1: instagram dot Com Instagram the Meta property, a man named

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Speaker 1: Robbie Tripp posts a photo of him and his wife

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Speaker 1: Sarah at the beach with an infamous caption.

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Speaker 2: I love this woman and her curvy body as a teenager.

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Speaker 1: You know what, we actually don't need to listen to

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Speaker 1: let's talk about who Robbie and Sarah Tripp were at

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Speaker 1: the time this was posted. By the summer of twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Instagram had been using an algorithmically driven feed for more

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Speaker 1: Robbie and Sarah at a pretty interesting moment in Internet history.

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Speaker 1: They're benefiting from a couple different things here. It's a

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Speaker 1: Because yes, these two are still very much together. For

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Speaker 1: any rightful criticism of Robbie and eventually of Sarah that exists,

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Speaker 1: It's Robbie's post that the algorithm and the press gobbles

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Speaker 1: Sassy Red Lipstick since twenty thirteen. She'd had the idea

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Speaker 1: She was a college student who wore what she would

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Speaker 5: Since the release of my story on How I've come

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Speaker 5: to express their feelings towards the inexplainable reason that fashion

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Speaker 5: I see around me. We do not fit into either category.

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Speaker 5: We are what I'll call in betweeners, just average girls

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Speaker 5: not a part of either of the two categories mentioned above.

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Speaker 5: Think about it. There is not a term or definition

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Speaker 5: The caption says, talking all about the F word on

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Speaker 5: SRL tonight, you know the one I'm talking about fat.

433
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 5: I'm getting personal about my lifelong journey of being a

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Speaker 5: curve or girl, how it affected past relationships, and why

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Speaker 5: we need to stop using this terrible word, especially when

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00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 5: talking about ourselves. I may have fat, but I am

437
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: not fat, and neither are you. This is a post

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Speaker 5: you don't want to miss. Click the link in my

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00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 5: bio to read, and we'll circle.

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Speaker 1: Back to some of those ideas next week. But the

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00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: point is that Sarah is actively engaging with the Curvy

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00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: Wife story from the jump, and because she has the

443
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Speaker 1: larger audience, is probably boosting this story in these early days.

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00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: There is never a feeling that she's upset or thinks

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00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: that her husband has overstepped by posting this. But I

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00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: never knew that because Sarah's participation and engagement with this

447
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: story is barely commented on. In both the widespread criticism

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00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: and celebration, people are largely focused on Robbie's words and

449
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Sarah's body. Sarah's words are rarely considered. But traffic doesn't

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00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: really pick up until a few days later when a

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00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Leah Fruman at the Today Show found the story writing

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00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: husband Pen's body positive note to Curvy Wife and everyone's swooning,

453
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: and to her credit, she interviews Sarah, who says the following.

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Speaker 5: He always makes me feel so loved and appreciated as

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Speaker 5: a body positive fashion blogger. I've been very open about

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Speaker 5: my body love journey and my goal to help other

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00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 5: curvy women learn to love their body. I just feel

458
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 5: so lucky that I have a husband who has loved

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Speaker 5: every inch of me since the day we met.

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Speaker 1: The next day, a trend reporter at the Huffington Post

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Speaker 1: named Dominique Mosbergen picks up on the story and she

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Speaker 1: loves it too. The headline is husband's love note to

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Speaker 1: his curvy wife should be required reading. Then the Daily

464
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: Mail picks up on it, and if you've used the

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Speaker 1: Internet for a single second, you know what is about

466
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Speaker 1: to happen. Backlash, huge swift back toward Robbie specifically. And look,

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00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, okay Obama vibes, So let

468
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: me be clear that I don't think any one reaction

469
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: to this post is right or wrong. The early reception

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00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: from women who like the post are just as valid

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00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: as the reactions to those who didn't. And with that

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00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: in mind, I don't think there's ever been an Internet

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00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: story I've seen that was more destined to get a

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00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: huge wave of backlash than the curvy Wife's story, because

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: just throw on, oh Fortuna, Saying.

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Speaker 2: That you like your wife even though she's chubby doesn't

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00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: make you brave, It makes you a jerk. You're still

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00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: objectifying her.

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00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 5: Dude, strong contender for least fave type of male feminist

480
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 5: is man who thinks liking a curvy woman is revolutionary.

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Speaker 2: My mates think you are fat, but I still like you.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm such a feminist. Hashtag I, hashtag love,

483
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: hashtag curvy, hashtag women.

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Speaker 1: I love my idiot husband. I don't care what society says.

485
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I like how dumb he is. I like his very

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Speaker 1: smooth brain. I love his hair. He tried to cut himself.

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00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: Has curvy wife written a blog post about why she's

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Speaker 5: a martyr for marrying her gawky, narcissist husband?

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00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, it was intense. This is how I learned

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00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: about the story originally, which snowballed into response essays like

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Speaker 1: New York magazines. Some people are applauding this man for

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00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: celebrating his wife's curves, but most are dragging him, and

493
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: an essay I really liked from Sam Escobar for Allure

494
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: called aria man thinks he's brave for finding his wife hot.

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00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: These essays do acknowledge that Sarah is on board with

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Speaker 1: what her husband is saying, but make the counter argument

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Speaker 1: that to fat or curvy women on the whole, Robbie's

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00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: writing fits a condescending pattern that they had experienced in

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Speaker 1: the past. I particularly want to share this passage from

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Speaker 1: Escobar's essay. As someone who's ranged in size and ben overweight,

501
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I will anecdotally muse that the compliments become increasingly patronizing

502
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: at larger sizes. You have such a pretty face, a

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00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: family member might lament in a tone halfway between resigned

504
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: and complimentary. A well intentioned yet frustratingly oblivious friend might quip,

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00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: you're lucky you have curves. They're so trendy right now. Well,

506
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: no models with a specific hip to waste a bust

507
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: ratio are who you're referring to. And this does not

508
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: mean our society is suddenly universally respectful towards fat people.

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00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: For anyone skeptical of that word, please know I use

510
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: it as a neutral adjective and never a pejorative, and

511
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: that using the term curvy as a substitute is substantially

512
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: more harmful. And then there are the self congratulatory men.

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00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: Robbie Trips sticks to the path that he had in

514
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: the past. He thanks the supporters, and the haters just

515
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: didn't get it. Throughout this criticism, the Trips were making appearances.

516
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: They went on the Today Show, they went on Good Morning, America.

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00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: But there wasn't much time for them to dwell on

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: their overnight fame before the next stage of the fifteen

519
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: Minutes experience pulled into the station, unearthing offensive old tweets

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00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: and with Robby and Sarah. These were posts from the

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00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: early to mid twenty tens that were casually and overtly

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00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: racist and transphobic, and bear no repeating here. But the

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00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: posts were gross and ignorant, and within a few days

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00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: of the story going viral, they resurface and there is

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Speaker 1: a sudden intense demand for Robby and Sarah to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: and apologize for these posts. This is a phenomenon called

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00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: milkshake ducking, where a newly prominent figure is revealed to

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00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: have shitty or hateful views shortly after becoming relevant. The

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00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: term and I just think this is funny comes from

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00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: an all Timer tweet from twenty sixteen by Ben Ward

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Speaker 1: aka pixelated Boat.

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Speaker 2: It says, the whole Internet loves milkshake duck, a lovely

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00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: duck that drinks milkshakes. Five seconds later, we regret to

534
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: inform you the duck is racist.

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Speaker 1: Robby and Sarah are the ducks, and the posts were

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00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: relatively recent and this demand for accountability escalates. By August seventh,

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00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: just a week after the post had started gathering steam,

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00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: model Test Holiday called bullshit on Robbie, both for his

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: original Curvywife post and for a transphobic tweet from twenty fifteen,

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: given that Holiday was one of the most prominent body

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Speaker 1: positivity advocates of the day. She was and is a

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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: very popular model who had launched the hashtag f your

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00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Beauty Standards social media movement and openly embraced the term fat.

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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: And she had this to say about the curvywife story.

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Stop giving men trophies for doing the bare minimum. Also,

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00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm not here for someone who says transphobic things hashtag

547
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: f your beauty standards hashtag trans women are women And

548
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: apologies come from both trips in pretty short order. They

549
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: both cite their naivete and having done work on themselves.

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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: Since this is from Sarah's blog.

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00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: Recently old tweets were uncovered from years ago, and what

552
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: was found were some things that we are ashamed of.

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00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 5: My insensitive words were posted in twenty twelve. Robbie's from

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00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen. Regardless of when they were said, they were

555
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: never appropriate. Mortified, we quickly deleted these off color, insensitive

556
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 5: remarks that we had completely forgotten about from so long ago,

557
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: but it was too late. Screenshots were taken and shared online.

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00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 5: We want to own up to our mistakes. We want

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00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: to express our deep regret and shame at those insensitive words.

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00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 5: We are so incredibly sorry for them, We are so embarrassed.

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Speaker 5: They are not at all representative of who we are.

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Speaker 1: But by the time these apologies were released on August twelve,

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00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: most of the Internet had already made their minds up

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00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: about the couple one way or another. Some maintained that

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00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Robbie's post had been well intentioned and Sarah liked it.

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00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: They're just human. Others were put off, were offended by it,

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00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: and even more so by the tweets. But even with

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: the scandal, both of their audiences continued to grow. Sarah's

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00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: accounts remained more or less normal, with the focus being

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00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the continued growth of Sassy Red Lipstick. Robbie, well, he

571
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: kind of did Tony Robbins motivational speaking era and pivots

572
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: to full time wife guy. So by this time, you know,

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00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Robbie had posted plenty of supportive things about Sarah in

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Speaker 1: the past, but After Curvy Wife, the volume of posts

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00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: about Sarah's body increases significantly, and by the end of

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00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: the year, he's back to thinking about the haters posting

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00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: hustle memes like.

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00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: A hater is someone who sees your success as their

579
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: failure and your failure as their success.

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00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Robbie trip, and while he's committing to this new direction,

581
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: the wave of negative press from the Curvy Wife post

582
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: seems to still be on his mind, all while continuing

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00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: to share how much money the Trips had made at

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Speaker 1: their respective business endeavors. After the post went viral. On

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Speaker 1: New Year's Day in twenty eighteen, he posts a picture

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Speaker 1: of himself and Sarah in front of one of those

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00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: weird cars where the doors flip up. They scare me. Anyways,

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00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: they're in front of those, and Robbie is bragging about

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00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: how they've made six figures blogging in the Year of

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00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: the Kirby Wife. The couple then leaves San Francisco and

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00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: moves to what Robbie keeps describing as quote our large

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: desert home unquote in Arizona, and he starts an LLC

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00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: called Desert Money. By twenty nineteen, Sarah is pregnant with

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Speaker 1: their first child, and Robbie takes the next logical step

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00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: into a career as a viral guy.

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Speaker 7: My girl Chubby Sexy Collezai nice of Miita, she got

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Speaker 7: think not stretch lark.

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Speaker 1: Bi You guys. He starts rapping, and yes, the first

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Speaker 1: single is called Chubby Sexy. Maybe this seems out of nowhere,

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00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: but it does kind of make sense if you have

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00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: been observing Robbie's posts over a course of years. After all,

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00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: he was Macilmore's number one fan.

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00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: In the words of Grammy Award winning rapper Maclamore, we

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00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: are a generation of kids choosing love over a desk,

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Speaker 4: and that is the gen generation I'm proud to be

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00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: a part of. That is what it means to be

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00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: a millennial.

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Speaker 1: And Chubby Sexy comes complete with a pretty elaborate music

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00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: video that starred fat and curvy women who reached out

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00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: at the casting call and of course Sarah Trip herself.

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: And when Chubby Sexy drops, the launch throws people back

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00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: to the original story from almost two years earlier, and

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00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: while some writers took the opportunity to dunk on Robbie

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00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: a second time, others were kind of into it. If

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00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: nothing else, the song does seem to be pretty self

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00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: aware of its own goofiness. There was an extensive, fascinating

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00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: profile of the couple written The Weekend that the Chubby

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00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: Sexy music video was shot by Rebecca Jennings in box

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Speaker 1: that is already reflecting on the original rollout of the

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00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: trips as an influencer couple. Jennings writes that the couple

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00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: seems to love each other very much, and she also

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00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: got a chance to speak with Sarah Tripp about how

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Speaker 1: the social media moment had affected her back in twenty seventeen,

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00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: something that most people hadn't really asked. Here's a passage

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: from Jennings peace.

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00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 5: While the hate from the legions of so called Twitter

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00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 5: feminists and the more private criticisms Robbie has said they

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00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: received from certain Mormon circles. Robbie and Sarah are Mormon,

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00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: but do not discuss their faith on their platforms and

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 5: say they don't engage with the cultural aspect of the

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00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 5: religion seem to have bolstered Robbie. It was harder for Sarah.

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00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: Her anxiety, which she already struggled with, got worse. It

633
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 5: makes me scared to do things now in my career

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00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 5: because of backlash and because how people treat us, She says.

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00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: Robbie's always like, there's no such thing as bad press,

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00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 5: because it puts us in front of more eyes and

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00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 5: hopefully those people can make their own opinion. Sarah says,

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00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: I personally wish that people weren't writing articles about us

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00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: all the time. It never feels good to see people

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 5: say hurtful things, and I think people forget we have feelings.

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: He's really good about brushing off the hate, but internally,

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00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is so not fun.

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00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: And so these days Sarah doesn't really go on the

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00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: record about this story anymore. I reached out to her

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Speaker 1: for this episode, but she politely declined and said she

646
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Speaker 1: was excited I'd be talking with Robbie and fair enough.

647
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad she got the chance to speak about it publicly,

648
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: and Jennings piece is really fantastic. One part that particularly

649
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: stuck with me was her interview with Alex, one of

650
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: the dancers in the Chubby Sexy music video, who identified

651
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: as a curview wife guy super fan. Here's a passage

652
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I had never seen anyone talk about women the way

653
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: that Robbie talks about Sarah. She says, her eyes beginning

654
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: to water and in that moment full of self doubt

655
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: dating people that were really shitty on Tinder, I felt

656
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of hope, a little

657
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: bit of light at the end of this tunnel. And

658
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: Chubby Sexy does well enough for Robbie to be encouraged

659
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: to forge ahead with his music career, and he does

660
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: so with remarkable energy. The things he wraps about are well,

661
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: you won't be surprised big women as a big girl banger.

662
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh it's a big girl beggar beggar telling off the

663
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: haters and getting a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: On the ground like a roundness skater maid with this

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Speaker 4: bottle to you of this raid.

666
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Speaker 1: And during the month I interviewed him, Sarah specifically.

667
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Speaker 4: Oh got a hot white should be looking.

668
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Speaker 2: So really nice.

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Speaker 1: Sarah is very often in these music videos and even

670
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: appears in sketches before and after the music video for

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00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one's Sickness for Thickness. Okay, fuck it, I

672
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: really need to read you the song titles because uh,

673
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: here they are Chubby Sexy Sickness for Thickness, Hater Raid,

674
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: White Chocolate, big girl banger, Goodie Goodie Baddy Alert Desert Baller,

675
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: Basic Bro, Desert Money, Free Style, Money, Honey, Vanilla Thriller,

676
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: and of course Hot Wife. And again the songs are

677
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: polarizing but not unsuccessful. Big Girl Bang in particular took

678
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: off on TikTok in twenty twenty two in a pretty

679
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: huge way, to the point where many of the writers

680
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: who had criticized Robbie back in twenty seventeen caught on

681
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: Curvywife Guy is thriving on TikTok, and that was true.

682
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Some people in Robbie's TikTok comments recognize him from the

683
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: original Curvywife Guy scandal, but a lot of other people

684
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: on TikTok just thought it was decent music for a TikTok.

685
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And there's always going to be questions that surround how

686
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: bodies are discussed in general. Where does the line of

687
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: celebration end and objectification begin? How personal of a journey

688
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: is it to decide when that matters to you? I

689
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: can promise you we'll be talking about that in our

690
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: episode next week, and as long as the streaming numbers

691
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 1: stay up, I'm pretty sure Robbie will keep rapping about

692
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: them as well. Meanwhile, Sarah has continued to have success

693
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: with Sassy Red lipstick and has collaborated on a few

694
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: different lines of bathing suits that sell out instantly. The

695
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: couple has moved to a different, large desert home in

696
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. They had twins last year and they were

697
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: very ambitious and active online. And so this past May

698
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Speaker 1: I reached out to Robbie Tripp for an interview. And

699
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Speaker 1: when we come back my interview with Curvy Wife Guy,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to sixteenth minute. I tried to get a

701
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: dental cleaning this morning, and it turns out that my

702
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: insurance provider upsold me dental insurance for a child. But

703
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: of course, to escalate the humiliation factor, I was wearing

704
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: overalls and a T shirt with minions on them. And

705
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: this week we are talking with Robbie Tripp, the curvew

706
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Wife Guy. So I do want to say Robbie was

707
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: a very sweet person to communicate with. I had to

708
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: reschedule our interview at one point because of a family emergency,

709
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: and he was nothing but gracious with his time and

710
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: in the same token, from the time that Robbie agreed

711
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: to the interview, there was an element of to maintain

712
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: his own narrative, so he sent along a few conditions

713
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: within the confines of this interview, which I agreed to,

714
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: but obviously did not agree to not mention these things

715
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: at all in the full episode. But Robbie seemed a

716
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: little concerned, and so he said that as long as

717
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: the interview was fun and entertaining in tone and not snarky,

718
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: he'd do it. You will notice that any time in

719
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: this interview where my brain just shut down, I pause

720
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: and then say, hell yeah. This conversation has been edited

721
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: for length and clarity. Here's my interview with Kirby Wife Guy.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Yeah. It's always so interesting and fun.

724
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 8: To speak on the infamous and famous twenty seventeen Kirby

725
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 8: Wife moment because it's like the genesis of everything.

726
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 4: But it's uh for all of us. I'm the pioneer

727
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 4: of the life guy movement. There it is said it

728
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: a pioneered the wife Guy Online. Oh no, it's it's

729
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: such an interesting, interesting thing a topic to talk about

730
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: because we've since branched into so many different things that

731
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: lived this whole like life Online is whatever you want

732
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: to call us, influencers, creators, artists, you know what I mean.

733
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: And so entrepreneurs, and so it's just like taking on

734
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: so many different forms since then. But yes, this was

735
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: the genesis.

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Speaker 1: It's really I mean, I have so many questions. I

737
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: want to go way back, but okay, I want to

738
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: start with you and your wife. Sarah just announced that

739
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: you're continuing the curvew wife saga just the other day.

740
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Can you walk me through what this continuation is?

741
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 4: Curry wife post in twenty seventeen was the genesis of

742
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: kind of people's awareness of us online and fast forward?

743
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: Now was it seven years? Seven years in hoget twenty

744
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: twenty four. I mean, it's just been Yeah, it's been

745
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: a whole it's been a whole series of we can

746
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: like it's interesting within our relationship, we traced back moments

747
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: to like corresponding with like what was going like what

748
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: era we were in? You know what I mean? Like

749
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: what was going viral? Like we we've lived and been

750
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: married so long, and and our whole our whole marriage

751
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: and our whole relationship has been posting and creating content.

752
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: And what's crazy is that it was the thing that

753
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 4: we weren't even creating as content. It was just one

754
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: of my regular heartfelt posts to my wife like people

755
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: could go like that's why it was really i'll say

756
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: disappointing in the aftermath of the viral post that people

757
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: were so distorting this narrative that we had somehow crafted

758
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: a moment to go viral, or as if that's something

759
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: that you could even predict, but it was. It was.

760
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: I would always say, go back on my Instagram since

761
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: the moment Sarah and I were dating in college, like,

762
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: it's just how I am, Like I love to write

763
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: and that Sarah is my curvy muse and my love

764
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: of my life and the woman I share my life with,

765
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: and so I would write these tributes to her on

766
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 4: my Instagram as someone who you know loves their wife

767
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: and wants to you know, express that online. I would

768
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: do that regularly, post a photo for my wedding or

769
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 4: post a photo from whatever, and you know, write kind

770
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: of my feelings to her and attribute to her. So

771
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: it was the It would just so happened that it

772
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 4: was the I love my curvy wife on the beach

773
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: in Miami in her swimsuit. They're really to get people talking.

774
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I went back to like that era of

775
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: your social media and yeah, it's not out of step

776
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: with what your existing social media is. And so I

777
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes you have people presented kind of in

778
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: a void and you're like, but no, this is like

779
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: who they've been.

780
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: No, that's a really good point. Yeah, it's a people

781
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: see one piece of viral content that exposes them to

782
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: a brand new audience of people, and a lot of times,

783
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: you know, introduces them to the Internet or the you know,

784
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: the public at large, I guess you could say, and

785
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: that becomes their Yeah, their sole piece of context about

786
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: who the creator or the artist is. And as that's

787
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: why I was that's yeah, that's this has been This

788
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: has been me since day one, and this is this

789
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: has been something that I've been doing since day one.

790
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: And so obviously over the years, I've heard it all, Oh,

791
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: he's this this whole he's just into big girls, is

792
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: like just a gimmick or you know what I mean, Like,

793
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: he's not sincere, he's he's objectify er, he's fetishizing. All

794
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: these distorted narratives that truly all if you were to

795
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: do an ounce of research from day one, through my

796
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: marriage with Sarah, through our relationship, through the content I've

797
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 4: been creating all the way back to college, it's all

798
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: been within this lane. I'm expressing myself. I'm an artist

799
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 4: and a creator of the highest order, and I love

800
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: making vibes that people can enjoy and talk about, and

801
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: that encourages people to chase their dreams and then empower.

802
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 4: Beautiful Kirby plus sized BBW Gordita gang ladies, that's what

803
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: we're all about. They're rocking with me. People are acting

804
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 4: like people aren't rocking with me. And the fact of

805
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: the matter is, it's like you're focusing on this very

806
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: one specific, distorted narrative of the naysayers and the haters,

807
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 4: when in reality, there's also a whole following, a whole

808
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: global audience that I, myself and Sarah and then us

809
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 4: together share and it's like been wrapped into this really

810
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: cool story. You know. I think there was a time

811
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 4: where people are like, the viral Kirby white post was negative,

812
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 4: but come on, it was. It was largely positive until

813
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 4: there was a very like vocal subset of feminist Twitter,

814
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 4: of white millennial female internet snark blogger writer reporters in

815
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: New York. They got a hold of this viral Kirby

816
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: wife story and started twisting it to like this very

817
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: like dark place that it was like not never meant

818
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 4: to be. And that's why I always brought it back

819
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: to whatever interview I got, was at the end of

820
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 4: the day, if you're hating on this, you're just hating

821
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 4: on a guy who loves his wife and is obsessed

822
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: with her and posted a photo of them on the

823
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 4: beach and wrote this incredible caption of word smith ory

824
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 4: that expressed his love for her, his adoration for her,

825
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: and maybe tried to, you know, introduce society to the

826
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 4: idea that hey, big girls are sexy, Kirby girls are sexy.

827
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: Let's speak outside the box.

828
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: Hell Yeah, so I did want to start with, you

829
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: have a new single called Hot Wife that comes out

830
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: at the time we're recording this next year.

831
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just teased it. We just teased it the

832
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: other day and said a continuation or a new chapter

833
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: in the Kirby Wife saga. Now it's like because of

834
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: this incredible body positive Gordiica gang, I called my Gordita

835
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 4: Gang audience that listen to my music and my creative

836
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: projects like Chubby Sexy and Big Girl Banger like viral anthems,

837
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: certified bangers. I was like, Okay, I have an idea

838
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: for a song called Hot Wife, and I was like, babe,

839
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 4: So Sarah and I haven't been in a project together

840
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: since my first debut single, Chubby Sexy in twenty nineteen, right,

841
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: and that did extremely well on the It was in

842
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: GQ's Moment Men of the Year issue. It was like,

843
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: it went crazy on TikTok. It was like really fun

844
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: to see like people responding to it in a very

845
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: body positive way. And after that, it was like, I

846
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: just kind of kept going on my music and my

847
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 4: creative endeavors. Sarren continued doing the amazing thing she's doing

848
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: with sassa Red lipstick and her fashion blogging and her platform,

849
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 4: and it's just now that I had the idea to

850
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 4: do Hot Wife, and I was like, Babe, I can't

851
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: hire a model for this one. This one can't be

852
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 4: a stand in, Like, it's got to be you, Like,

853
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: it's got to be the og curvy views You're my

854
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 4: hot wife. I can't. I can't have another woman in

855
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: the US video. So she was like okay, and we

856
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: had fun. We got all dressed up in pink and

857
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: so yeah, that music video is coming out soon. That

858
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: song is releasing soon, and by the time this comes out,

859
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 4: maybe able already be out and yeah, out into the world.

860
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: Yeah so uh yeah, Hot Wife is like the next

861
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: chapter in these uh just body positive bops, just confidence

862
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: bangers that we're making. And I'm living the dream. I'm

863
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: having a blast doing it and got some amazing people

864
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 4: behind me on the music side, some amazing people behind

865
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: me with my team Desert Money. I do my all

866
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: my own creative production, and so it's really just been

867
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: this evolution of like, yeah, the Kirby White viral posts

868
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: may have been the introduction to people, but like I said,

869
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: like I've been doing this, I'm a true I'm a

870
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: true creator.

871
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I want to I want to take

872
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: it back. Why I make this show is because characters

873
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: of the day presented. I mean, even if it is

874
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: genuine to who they are, which even that is, you know,

875
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: it gets.

876
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: In the box immediately.

877
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And so you can you can know the

878
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: same three things out someone that's published in a million places,

879
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: but you don't actually know anything about them. So just curious,

880
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: like what your background is, how did you get interested

881
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: in art? And I want to also talk about when

882
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: you met Sarah and how your relationship started.

883
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 4: Grew up in Utah, obsessed with my hoop dreams, breed slept,

884
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 4: lived my basketball dreams, played basketball throughout high school, graduated

885
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 4: from high school, played basketball in junior college in California.

886
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: At that time, my parents had moved to Las Vegas.

887
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: So chapter I consider my life kind of be like

888
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: a chapter one. And as soon as I graduated from

889
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: high school in Utah, my dad had been working in Vegas,

890
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: so he would commute, and so my parents moved to

891
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: Vegas when I was a teenager, and then from there

892
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 4: on is like where I met Sarah. She's born and

893
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: raised in Las Vegas. We had mutual friends who went

894
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: to high school together. So that's like kind of my

895
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 4: chapter where you know, I grew up in Utah, parents

896
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: moved to Las Vegas when I was a teenager when

897
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 4: played junior college basketball in central California. Sarah was going

898
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: to school in Utah at the time, which is where

899
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: I'm from, and we, yeah, so we met, So we met.

900
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 4: We had a bunch of mutual friends, from friends who

901
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: went to high school in Vegas to friends who were

902
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: going to school in Utah. We kind of just were

903
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: a part of a similar friend group and so yeah,

904
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: we met and got married in Las Vegas. Then we

905
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 4: moved to in twenty fourteen. We got married in Las Vegas.

906
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: We started it was recently your ten years old.

907
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just celebrated ten years. Amazing, we're doing it.

908
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 4: I know, it's crazy. We got toddler, we have we

909
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: just had newborn twins. Sarah just had twins. So three

910
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: kids now ten years down, Like it's it's amazing. Yeah,

911
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: we're living the dream. Okay. So twenty thirteen we started dating.

912
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: Started Sarah's fashion blog. Sassio had lipstick. I had my

913
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: own brand at the time that was like my online creations.

914
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: It was under trip Swag. So trip Swag was the

915
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: thing that it was like swag. Yeah, yeah, this is

916
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: slag was like the the that early two thousands. It

917
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: defined the era, and I just had this energy online

918
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: of similar that's what I do today, but way just

919
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: you know, crazier and like just insane, you know, doing

920
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: stuff in creating YouTube videos in college and riding my

921
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: bike around town and thrifting and you know, I just

922
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: I've been I've been on this content creation grind forever.

923
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 4: I was always just very interested in writing and very

924
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: talented at writing. And word smith ry, and I also

925
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: loved making music. I was the kid making garage band

926
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: wraps in high school and selling my mixtape in in

927
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 4: the school hallway for five dollars and going in Utah

928
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: oh yeah yeah, and then going to and then going

929
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 4: to college and you know, making garage band wraps in

930
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 4: the doors with my friends, and so music was kind

931
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 4: of always intertwined with my creations. And then it was

932
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: just natural that as social media but got more popular,

933
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: I just kind of became a social media content in

934
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 4: a very early form. So I've got ten plus years

935
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 4: of I mean, yeah, of doing this eleven eleven if

936
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 4: you're counting. Twenty thirteen. Twenty twelve is when I joined Instagram.

937
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: That's when Sarah joined Instagram. So we've had this whole again,

938
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 4: like life online, and it's so it's so fascinating to

939
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 4: look back at how we've evolved.

940
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, what was your relationship to the internet,

941
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: like as a kid growing up in Utah, Like prior

942
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: to meeting Sarah, prior to moving to Vegas.

943
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: It was always like a tool for creating and getting

944
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: my art out into the world. So it was always

945
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 4: something that I was using to edit videos and burn CDs,

946
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: and I mean I made. I remember going with my

947
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: brother to film a sixty second clip of my basketball

948
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: highlights at our local playground when I was thirteen, and

949
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 4: I said, admitted it to Nesley Crunch for a Shaquille

950
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 4: O'Neill hot Shots camp, and I was one of ten

951
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: kids selected from across the country. And at thirteen years old,

952
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: I got phone to LA got to go to this

953
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: exclusive Nesting Crunch hot Shots camp with Shaquille O'Neil play

954
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 4: one on one against him. I scored. My mom has

955
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: the videotape. It's in the books, it's proven, it's amazing.

956
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 4: I scored on Shaquill O'Neil on one on one when

957
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: I was thirteen years old. And yeah, so I was

958
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: always just using internet and technology and like to just

959
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 4: create and give my art onto the world. I was

960
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: releasing freestyle wraps they're long since gone, thank goodness, on

961
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: my computer as soon as I, like, you know, joined YouTube.

962
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean the Internet. I feel like as

963
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: a millennial kid, yes, I remember those times where we

964
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't a huge part of life. But

965
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 4: also the majority of my of my come up has

966
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 4: been using the Internet to just create and have fun

967
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 4: and of so it's only natural that it became, you know,

968
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: more than a life style by like a career you know.

969
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, it sounds like you both have adapted to

970
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 1: the changes that have come with the Internet. Every couple

971
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: of years, the platform that everyone's using changes, and creators

972
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: that stick around for a long time have to be

973
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: able to adapt to these algorithms, to these things. So

974
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: at the time of Curvy Wife saga back in twenty seventeen,

975
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: you'd made posts like this before. It just happened to

976
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: be for whatever reason, this post that opt.

977
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: Off, so twenty seventeen.

978
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so can you walk me through that moment a

979
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: little bit? And I'm also curious, you know, because you

980
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: and Sarah are both influencers. Do you run captions by

981
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: her before you post them? Or how did the Curvywife

982
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: post come together? Which sounds so silly, but I am curious.

983
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of those moments that, like I said,

984
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 4: I think I mentioned this earlier, it is like we

985
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: we literally in our in minus Sarah's like relationship and

986
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: life together, we almost have this like funny subconscious way

987
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 4: of like separating our relationship before the viral post and

988
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: after the viral post, like we'd been married for three

989
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: years at the time got married in twenty fourteen. Kirby

990
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 4: Wife post was in I love how we just call

991
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: it the Kirby Wife post. Now it's not like, oh yeah,

992
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 4: my Instagram post, Like it's just like it has its

993
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 4: own title now, like it.

994
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: Was first child.

995
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 4: In a way, it was no, really, it was an

996
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: Instagram post and now it has a name. It's just

997
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: it's funny anyway. Twenty seventeen, we're living in San Francisco

998
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: at the time, full time blogging, influencer, content creation. We're

999
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: running Sassa read Lipstick full time doing brand partnerships all

1000
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: over the world, and it was still like it'd been

1001
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 4: running for yeah, like since we were dating in college.

1002
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 4: So we were making a living full time content creation,

1003
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: but very much like on the grind, and like we

1004
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: still had to work other jobs and had part time

1005
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: jobs to support us while we were like how do

1006
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: we continue building this? You know, early Utah fashion influencer

1007
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 4: mommy blogger like thing, like we were just kind of

1008
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 4: we were early on that way then. Of course, Sarah

1009
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: just being the beautiful, like curvy woman that she is

1010
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: so stylist just beautiful. Is the body positive aspect of

1011
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: her fashion blog of Sasialyptic started to naturally take that tone,

1012
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: and that's when we really started to again we moved

1013
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: to San Francisco. We really are investing our hustle and

1014
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: our time and our energy into her as a fashion blogger.

1015
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: It seemed like the body positivity of it really seemed

1016
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: to be like striking a chord, like very authentically with

1017
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: Sarah sharing, Hey, here's what it's like being a size twelve,

1018
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: size fourteen fashion blogger in influence in an industry where

1019
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 4: every blogger conference I go to in Dallas or every

1020
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: you know meetup I go to are these size zero,

1021
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 4: size too like women and is like a very particular

1022
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: figure that showcased in the fashion industry, but also like

1023
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 4: this subset of like a fashion blogger influencer industry, which

1024
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: we were again heavily involved in, right.

1025
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: And Sarah is like an average sized American woman. So

1026
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: that's like I remember this sort of era of yeah,

1027
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: of body positivity and what accord it struck. And also,

1028
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 1: you know, just being a woman on the internet, people

1029
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: are looking to drag you for literally anything.

1030
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. Like I said, we naturally it's

1031
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: so funny we catch ourselves doing it. There's like we

1032
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: separate our marriage and our life together in between before

1033
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: the viral posts and after the Bible post, because it's

1034
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 4: so it was just such everything just changed after that.

1035
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 4: So it was then in July July thirtieth, July thirty first,

1036
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 4: we were like getting ready to go on a beach

1037
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: vacation the next morning, which is why I remember this,

1038
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: and I posted I had a photosare and I'd been

1039
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: to Miami again. We were traveling doing the travel blogging

1040
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: fashion blogging ding. We're in Miami. We got we had

1041
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 4: photos on the beach of me holding her. She was

1042
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: wearing like this tropical citrus like I think it was

1043
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 4: Oranges swimsuit, and I'm like holding her and then and

1044
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: so we got the photos back and I was like, oh,

1045
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: this is beautiful, this is great, Like I love, like,

1046
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 4: I just love how she looks like I'm holding her,

1047
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: and I just like I feel like it just showed

1048
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: like how much I just find her attractive and how

1049
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 4: her sexy Kirby bond really gets me going as her

1050
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: husband and soulmate and life partner Okay, So I was

1051
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: thinking about that posted it wrote a whole caption I

1052
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 4: loved my Kirby wife.

1053
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: And did she see it the post before you posted it?

1054
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: I can't remember. I wish I remembered that part because

1055
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: I think those tributes I would just write and it

1056
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 4: would be like a fun surprise for her to find

1057
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 4: during the day or the next morning, you know what

1058
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean. So I kind of started writing them as

1059
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 4: like little like online love notes that were like a

1060
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 4: tribute to her, and like I didn't want to like

1061
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: show like, hey, look what I just wrote about, you

1062
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like I'm kind of way for

1063
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 4: her to find them as she was scrolling her feet,

1064
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: and then she'd like, oh, you know what I mean.

1065
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: I guess it was like because you guys were already

1066
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: doing influencer work, I'm like, would you ask before yeah,

1067
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: because it's like if my boyfriend is posting about me,

1068
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be like, let me run this by you.

1069
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: Do you want to, like, yeah, way in on.

1070
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 4: This tribute I just wrote for you. Do you want

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01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: to proof read it and write? You know what I mean?

1072
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't like that, it was It truly was

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01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 4: just one of my regular like since the day we

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01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 4: started dating, really every so often every week or so.

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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I was posting a cute photo of us

1076
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 4: and just writing how much I love my beautiful wife,

1077
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: my beautiful girlfriend, you know what I mean, whatever she

1078
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: wants at the time. So posted it. Woke up the

1079
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: next morning, rode to southern California beach vacation, and very

1080
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 4: early it seemed like and again, okay, so I had

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: twenty thousand followers at the time, Sarah probably had about

1082
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand early early day. So I posted it

1083
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 4: and we drove down to southern California. By the time

1084
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: we were the day was done in about twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: It was like maybe five thousand likes or something, and

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 4: like definitely like a few hundred comments, Like it definitely

1087
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 4: like showed that like people, at least the people who

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01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 4: were following me or I thought were following me at

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01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 4: the time, was like, Okay, this is doing better than

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01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 4: like a regular post.

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Speaker 1: Did it seem like the algorithm had kind of picked

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: it up.

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01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: This was twenty seventeen. That felt that feels like a

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: pre algorithm conversation. Like it just felt like I just

1095
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: felt like everyone who everyone who saw it, engaged with it,

1096
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: commented on it. Right, So yeah, it was still like

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01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: I think it was still explore page days and way

1098
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: different than it was now, honestly, like I do this

1099
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: for a living now, right, like digital marketing, like content creation.

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: So no, it was one of those moments where you

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: knew you organically just were connecting with people like it.

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: Just it was unmistakable. It wasn't like a lot of

1103
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: people were seeing this. That's not how it felt. It

1104
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 4: felt like, oh, whoa people have a lot of love

1105
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: for this, entirely positive first twenty four hours, Okay, forty

1106
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: eight hours, it's up to like ten thousand likes and

1107
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: it's getting hundreds of more comments. So it's like already,

1108
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 4: like in forty eight hours my best performing post. Right,

1109
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 4: it's weird to think about because I don't like, I

1110
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 4: think I'm talking about it in terms of how I

1111
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 4: think about it now. But back then it was still like, oh,

1112
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 4: how people are engaging with this and this is getting

1113
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: a lot of like comments and a lot of people

1114
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 4: are liking this photo that I posted. Doesn't feel the

1115
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 4: same as how in twenty twenty four we're talking about

1116
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 4: it where we're like measuring analytics and metrics and insights

1117
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 4: for creators and all these things that we're just so

1118
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 4: naturally talking about now. So I don't want to make

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01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 4: it sound like it was like again another piece of content,

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01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 4: because it truly was just like a photo I posted

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01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 4: to my wife, which, as we mentioned several times, I

1122
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: can't stress this enough when people try to spin the

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: narrative into some negative, contrived thing. I had been doing

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: this as a just a loving boyfriend husband for years

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01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 4: and then also the society about body positivity and showing

1126
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 4: love to the sexy curvy girls out there that are

1127
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 4: bigger than you see on billboards and magazines, and of

1128
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 4: course like amazing, how times have changed since I posted that,

1129
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 4: but still not even there, And so again I feel

1130
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 4: like I understand that, and of course I'm always learning more,

1131
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 4: But that was just another negative spin on the curvy

1132
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 4: white post. That I really hated was that they just

1133
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: started to become like this man hating energy that started

1134
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 4: to come towards me for commenting on body positivity and

1135
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 4: loving my wife, and I just didn't understand how it

1136
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 4: could have been taken so out of context. But I

1137
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 4: guess like you, and I started by saying people see

1138
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 4: one little image and they see one caption, and a

1139
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 4: lot of people don't read into it any further than that,

1140
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 4: and then they form an opinion. And unfortunately there was

1141
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 4: just like a side of it that in the I

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01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: would say in like the week after the viral post,

1143
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 4: because the first week again entirely positive. Then it starts

1144
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 4: to come like all the news articles start coming out,

1145
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: the Pop Sugar, the Huffington Post, the E News, and

1146
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 4: you start to get all these internet publications that are

1147
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 4: like man loves Kirby Wife, Curvy Wife post, Heartwarming, couple Goals,

1148
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 4: husband of the Year, They're so cute, this is so nice.

1149
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 4: Everyone's responding how they see their own relationship and how

1150
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 4: their own body confidence issues in their own relationship between

1151
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 4: husbands and wives and boyfriends and girlfriends, and just the

1152
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 4: the universal, like truly global dms and emails were being

1153
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 4: flooded with of this is how I feel in my relationship,

1154
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: this how I feel about my wife was so beautiful.

1155
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 4: And then after that first week of positivity it did

1156
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: it started to turn into this thing that I didn't

1157
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: like because it was never meant to be that.

1158
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: So this original run of press because I feel like

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01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: it's a very unique story, and it also sort of

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: follows this template for how these Internet stories go, where

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: it's like.

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 4: Totally, wait, trust me, I've I've read some of the

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 4: artic They're like, yeah, this is like it truly follows

1164
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 4: the trajectory of a pretty standard like viral moment, which

1165
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 4: is crazy. It's like this, everyone's obsessed with it, and

1166
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: everyone's talking about it, and then because so many people

1167
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: are talking about it, a very like vocal negative minority

1168
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 4: seems to come out of the woodwork and spin it

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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: or find something that people just then start to latch

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 4: onto because the negative side of it is the more

1171
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: clickbaity and more interesting to post about an inflammatory than

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: a positive spin. So people start to talk about that.

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: Then it burns out, and then it's like whatever the

1174
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 4: creator or the viral personality or the viral moment chooses

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 4: to do after that is up to them. And there's

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01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 4: a lot of amazing stories that have been burned out

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 4: of that, and there's been a lot of just like crazy,

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01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 4: You're like, wow, what happened? You know what I mean?

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01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: Totally, even when it does far well a pattern, it's

1180
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: happening to your family, So it is like a very

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: little personal.

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01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little personal. But then gaining a little bit

1183
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 4: of maturity and retrospect and looking back after seven years,

1184
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 4: you start to realize, like, well, when you're creating, when

1185
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 4: you're creating anything and releasing it to be viewed and consumed,

1186
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 4: and you also have to I don't know, it's a

1187
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 4: tough part of what a life online looks like, but

1188
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: there's a piece of you asked to remind yourself it's

1189
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 4: not personal. People are just reacting and they're saying what

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01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: they think. And I think a lot of people are

1191
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 4: a little bit too comfortable saying what they think in

1192
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 4: a way that is considered bullying or harassment or trolling, right,

1193
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 4: But I think those are the impulses that people online

1194
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 4: maybe have gotten a little bit too comfortable with. But

1195
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: I think as a society we're doing better that and

1196
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 4: in that culture that maybe it's because we've seen it

1197
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 4: so many times now, or maybe it's because we truly

1198
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: are growing and evolving with this wonderful gen z. We

1199
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: were talking about kind of attitude and philosophy online of

1200
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: like live and let live, and we don't need to

1201
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 4: crucify everything, and we can just either let it be

1202
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 4: or we can choose whatever to do with it, but

1203
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 4: we don't need to do that. And it's been a

1204
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 4: very interesting it was a very interesting like it came

1205
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 4: in waves, it came in waves.

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01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: Well how is I know, I mean you can always

1207
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: speak for yourself, but how how is Sarah doing throughout

1208
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: this time? Because it has to be, you know, a

1209
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: uniquely crazy making experience for her as well, So yeah,

1210
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: what was going on? How how is she feeling throughout

1211
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: that process as well?

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a whirlwind, I mean in the in

1213
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: the days, in the days and weeks following kind of that,

1214
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: like I guess you'll call it news cycle, right of,

1215
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 4: like we were kind of a viral hot topic. Like

1216
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 4: it was just you'll it's a surreal, like just funny,

1217
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: weird experience when you're like doing your scrolls while you're

1218
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: on the toilet and you're just like seeing yourself on

1219
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 4: on all your apps, you know what I mean. It's

1220
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: like I would literally just be like at the time

1221
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, I would scroll Facebook, I think for articles

1222
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 4: from like complex News and high Snubbiety and hype beasts

1223
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 4: and like shoes and sneakers and sports and also just

1224
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: like the occasional thing that would come up in the

1225
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 4: Facebook whatever the algorithm was at that time that fed

1226
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 4: you the Huffington Post articles or the you know what

1227
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 4: I mean, the Latin viable or whatever it was at

1228
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 4: the time, right, and I would see I would just

1229
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 4: see myself. I would be like Kirby wife, And so

1230
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 4: it just started to get to be everywhere, and that

1231
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 4: was weird. And so Sarah and I had this weird

1232
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: like relationship to it where it's like again it was

1233
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: it was tremendously positive in beginning, so it was actually

1234
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 4: kind of fun because it was like we were getting

1235
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 4: a lot of just love and a lot of people

1236
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: messaging us to express like a lot of positivity and appreciation,

1237
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 4: and just like we really started to connect with like

1238
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 4: a global online of people who loved it. So Sarah

1239
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: was like again being a fashion blogger, being an influencer herself,

1240
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 4: but then also being just being I mean she's spoken

1241
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 4: about this in many interviews, just being my wife who

1242
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 4: appreciated the heartfelt sentiment from her husband and really just

1243
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 4: neither of us really thought more than that it was

1244
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 4: just another post that was like heartfelt. But then it

1245
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: was clear and started to connect with people. We started

1246
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 4: to kind of want to foster that community, and it

1247
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 4: was just with open arms we welcomed them into what

1248
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 4: we were doing. Hey, here's Sarah, a body positive fashion

1249
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: blogger who's a size twelve in a fashion industry, And

1250
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 4: here's Robbie. I'm writing, I'm giving you presentations, I'm creating,

1251
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 4: I'm doing all these different online projects and sharing my

1252
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 4: creativity and my art with people. And so it just

1253
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,919
Speaker 4: started to become a natural evolution that we welcomed everybody

1254
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 4: that connected with this viral curry Wife post with open arms.

1255
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: And then, like I said, after that wave kind of

1256
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 4: came in, then it started to get this in the

1257
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 4: periphery of the negativity.

1258
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: Kind did you as a couple deal with the negative waves?

1259
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 4: That was hard because then it was just like at

1260
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 4: a certain point we just like, okay, can everybody move on? Right?

1261
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 4: It kind of the positivity had had been poured out,

1262
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: and it was like clear that something that was just

1263
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 4: like truly connected with people. And that's why I blew up,

1264
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 4: Like that's another thing that like people forget, like these things.

1265
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 4: There's a reason that people at the end of the day,

1266
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 4: it's like anything that is it is viewed and shared

1267
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 4: and talked about that many times is because it strikes

1268
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 4: a chord with people. So people had true, genuine feelings

1269
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 4: toward it, and that's like just the truth with anything.

1270
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 4: And so the beauty that came from that was like

1271
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: this incredible new or i should say larger following of

1272
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: people on social media who tuned in to follow me

1273
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 4: in Sarah, and follow our journey and our relationship and

1274
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 4: our marriage and so yeah, then on the side of that,

1275
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 4: when it all got I shouldn't say it all got negative,

1276
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 4: because again there was still that large response, and there

1277
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 4: was also that people that are like, why are they

1278
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 4: even taking offense to that? That's how we felt, But

1279
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 4: then also like this truly negative backlash, I guess to

1280
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 4: the Kirby White posts. There was a time where Sarah

1281
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 4: and I were just like, yeah, can this stop now?

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Speaker 4: Like you, we were not interested in like they just

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Speaker 4: got a point where we weren't answering, we weren't answering

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Speaker 4: the emails or doing the interviews anymore about it, because

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Speaker 4: it was just like, let's move on. We've got more

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Speaker 4: to say and more to offer than what a lot

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Speaker 4: of people online have their distorted narrative of this, you know,

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Speaker 4: viral post to my wife.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever come across a critical piece or opinion

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Speaker 1: that resonated with you or made you think twice? Or

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Speaker 1: I mean, was there anything that ever was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this actually seems like a more reasoned version. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I haven't even seen it all the volume, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. It was looking back on it again, seven years,

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Speaker 4: seeing the positive, seeing the negative, looking back twenty twenty hindsight,

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Speaker 4: you look back and think about it, especially if I

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Speaker 4: hope we've all grown, we all grow with maturity and

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Speaker 4: wisdom in seven years time. I think I look back

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Speaker 4: on it and I'm just like, yeah, it definitely contained

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Speaker 4: a lot of touch points of what people feel and

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Speaker 4: think and care about. It talked about body positivity. It

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Speaker 4: talked about women's bodies, which people seem to be fascinated by.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone can can disagree with that, right,

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Speaker 4: And it touched on But then it started and then

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Speaker 4: it contained buzzwords like body positive, like feminism, like marketing

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Speaker 4: and advertising billboards, sexy bikinis, society. It started to have

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Speaker 4: all these buzzwords wrapped into it, and so looking back

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Speaker 4: on at the time, again, you don't post something thinking

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Speaker 4: that the entire world, truly globally, internationally in newspapers in

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Speaker 4: Hungary and in tropical islands in the Caribbean, where people

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Speaker 4: are messaging us saying, oh I saw your you know,

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Speaker 4: your your vible Kirby wife post. You don't think it's

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Speaker 4: going to reach that far. So looking back on it,

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I would have I would have just

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Speaker 4: made it a little bit less about society or but

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Speaker 4: then again, at the same time, it's like I meant

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Speaker 4: everything I said, So you look back on it and

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Speaker 4: you're just like, this is how it is feeling. This

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Speaker 4: is truly still how I feel about body positivity and

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Speaker 4: my wife and and how society should view different body size,

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Speaker 4: body types and body size, and so overall, I think,

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Speaker 4: I think to answer your question, I've made peace with

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Speaker 4: some of the criticisms, thinking that, Okay, everybody is entitled

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Speaker 4: to their opinion. But then again, while still like having

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Speaker 4: to stand by my truth that it's like it was

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Speaker 4: what it was, and what it was was a husband's

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Speaker 4: note to his wife on Instagram that was filled with

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Speaker 4: my true feelings and emotions and I put it out

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Speaker 4: there and people really had something to say about it,

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Speaker 4: whether it be positive or negative. And I understand that at.

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Speaker 1: The end of the day, I feel like, no matter

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Speaker 1: how people feel about curvy wife in retrospect, you guys

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Speaker 1: have been happily married for ten years, and most people

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Speaker 1: do not pull that off like that, that's really cool.

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Speaker 4: Most my friends are divorced, most my parents are divorced. Like,

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Speaker 4: it's just like, that's the way I feel like it

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Speaker 4: goes a lot of times. But yeah, that's the other thing.

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Speaker 4: It's so fun to create these fun creative projects and

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Speaker 4: stories that people talk about and share and are kind

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Speaker 4: of part of this team Trip Gordta Gang community of

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Speaker 4: these viral you know, chubby, sexy, big girl, banger now

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Speaker 4: hot wife like music projects. Is like, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 4: like easy to get lost caught up in the fact

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Speaker 4: in this conversation of like, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I pick up, I drop off my son at school

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Speaker 4: every morning and I go and I pick him up,

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Speaker 4: I come back home. We have two beautiful new twin

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Speaker 4: babies and we hang out with them, and in the meantime,

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Speaker 4: I'm running to a music video shoe and Sarah's launching

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Speaker 4: a new swim suit line. That she's got to do

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Speaker 4: a video shoe and we got our grand you know,

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Speaker 4: grandparents here to help out, and just a wonderful support

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Speaker 4: supp and it's like a huge team of love here

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Speaker 4: that just is here to help us thrive. And it's

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Speaker 4: just like, I'm really grateful for the fact that, like

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I can turn it

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Speaker 4: off online and I've got this support system in this

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Speaker 4: family with me that it's easy to get caught up

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Speaker 4: in the fact like we're not we're not just like

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Speaker 4: this viral moment. Like we're human beings and we live

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Speaker 4: and we love, and we've been married ten years and

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Speaker 4: we got three beautiful children and we're living the dream.

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Speaker 4: And everything that we do is kind of a ripple

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Speaker 4: effect from that, and it comes out in very fun,

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Speaker 4: flamboyant ways in my creative projects. But it's all just

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Speaker 4: kind of a part of what makes me. Robbie Tripp.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Robbie for his time. You

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Speaker 1: can stream his music at the link in the description.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, big Girl Banger as a hit

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Speaker 1: and as you can hear in the interview and going

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Speaker 1: back well over a decade, Robbie is still determined to

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Speaker 1: prove the hater's wrong through his continued success in music.

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Speaker 1: Because it is successful. Several of his tracks in music

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Speaker 1: videos have a couple million streams, and he's collaborated with

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Speaker 1: increasingly big talent. And as I said before, Sarah turned

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Speaker 1: down an interview with this show and wanted the focus

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Speaker 1: to be on Robbie's project. They do seem happy together.

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Speaker 1: They just celebrated ten years being married. And if there's

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Speaker 1: one thing on the Internet I've learned, it's that pathologizing

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Speaker 1: someone else's marriage is ten miles of none of your

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Speaker 1: fucking business. So all power to Sarah. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: to ask Robbi everything I would have liked to because

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Speaker 1: of the boundaries put around that conversation, but I hope

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Speaker 1: it was helpful to hear from him. Like I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: after this interview, I really felt the need to talk

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Speaker 1: to other people. I wanted to hear from women and

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Speaker 1: fems who had worked within the fat liberation movement and

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Speaker 1: have a more political discussion about what stories like the

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Speaker 1: curviw Wife saga brought up in these activist communities. So

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Speaker 1: there you have it. That's the story of Robbie and

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Speaker 1: Sarah Tripp. But next week we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what this story means, what is the impact it left

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Speaker 1: on the Internet. I'll be speaking with Tigris Osborne of

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Speaker 1: the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance and Kate Navarett

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Speaker 1: of the Body Positive Alliance. So Robby and Sarah Tripp,

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Speaker 1: your sixteenth Minute is stretching a little bit longer. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next week.

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Speaker 9: Sixteenth Minute is a production of fool Zone Media and iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 9: It is written, hosted, and produced by me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 9: Our executive producers are Sophie Lichtterman and Robert Evans. The

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Speaker 9: amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.

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Speaker 9: Our theme song is by Sad thirteen and Pet.

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Speaker 3: Shout outs to our dog producer Anderson, my Kat's Flee

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Speaker 3: and Casper and by pet Rockbird, who will outlive us all.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Beat My Head.