WEBVTT - Jawbreaker with Crystal 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.960 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.560 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.760 husbands or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.320 and best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.400 I killed her, I killed the teen dream. Deal with it, Jamie. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:25.439 Oh. I was thinking that whole time. Wouldn't it be 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.319 awesome if that was in a build a bear? 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:27.800 Like? 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.520 That's where I wanted it, because did you ever have 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.320 like I remember I had like a friend at school 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.080 who it was like a teenager's dating thing, and the 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.120 guy gave the girl a build a bear that was like, 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.600 I love you, Megan. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.480 I never had one as a youth, but when I 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.640 had the whole sludge debacle and I got my gall 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.720 bladder surgery, my friend Nikki gave me a build a 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.320 bear and when you like, press its little paw, she 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.480 had it make me ups So it's a teddy bear 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.440 that he's like. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.480 Now you used to be able to. I mean it 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.679 sounded horrible, but you could put your own voice in it, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:13.959 much like the uh Chekhov's card that we have yes 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.119 in Job Breaker. That's my one note for Job Breaker 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.759 the rest is perfect, The rest is flawless. It should 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.960 have been a Build a Bear. Agree, Yeah, we should 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.240 start putting more murder confessions in Build a Bears. I'm 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:26.440 gonna smile that away. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.440 Honestly, I think we should record the Bechdel Cast on 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.080 Build a Bears. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.679 And just distribute it that way. We're getting back into 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.720 tangible media because the digital revolution's gone too far. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.920 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you want to hear any more 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.160 episodes of the Bechdel Cast, you have to. I don't know, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.240 we'll send them to you. We'll send you a bear. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.600 It would get really expensive, really fast. Yeah, but one 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.120 of us will confess to a murder in every episode, 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.520 and that's the beel Cast guarantee. Whoa yeah, okay, yeah. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.400 I think my favorite lene in this movie is you 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:05.360 know how girlfriends kidnap their girlfriends on their birthday? Well, 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:06.120 we did that. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.200 You're like, yeah, time old tradition that we all know 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:12.679 and love. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.519 Oh it's the best, I guess. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.600 I derailed your very funny intro immediately. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:25.200 No, I loved it. Well, I'm Jamie Lott, I'm Caitlin Dorante, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.360 and this is the Bechtel Cast, our show where we 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.200 examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.120 Test simply as a jumping off point. And you know, 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.360 we have limited time today. If you want to know 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.240 what the Bechdel test is, listen to another episode, look 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.040 it up. I feel like we just have to get 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.120 right into it today, truly. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.760 I mean spoiler alert. Don't worry about the Bechdel Test 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.239 for this movie. There are women and people of marginalized 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.639 genders talking to each other the entire movie and it's 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.560 all horrible. So it has a lot of fun passes 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.120 in this movie. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.519 Very much so. Oh the movie we're talking about today 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.760 is Jawbreaker nineteen ninety nine. Call classic, long time request. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.200 It's like a request we've been getting since the beginning 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:10.720 of the show. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:11.239 Hmm. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.640 And our guest today, returning guest. You know Crystal as 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.520 a drag artist who's known for RuPaul's Drag Race UK 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.480 Season one Ever heard of it, and more recently for 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.000 successfully suing right wing troll Lawrence Fox. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.720 It's Crystal, Hi, welcome back, thank you. I'm so happy 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.280 to be back. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.440 Oh my gosh, you've gone through a legal saga since 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.080 you last appeared on the show. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.880 Congratulations, I sure have putten the in litigious, as they say, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.440 love for that. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:50.560 That was great. So you've brought us Jawbreaker. What is 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.240 your history and relationship with the movie. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.120 I've been trying to remember that all week, but I 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.680 definitely I think I saw the movie when I was 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.040 around twenty, but like I would have seen it posts 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.520 mean Girls as kind of like one of those movies 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.920 that you get shown when you come out. It's like 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.360 someone sits down AND's like, you're gonna need to watch this, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.440 and heathers and you're gonna need to watch But I'm 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.480 a cheerleader and we're gonna watch the first season of 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.800 ab fab and then you'll be complete as a homosexual. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.760 Man's part of the starter kit that's distributed. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.240 Yeah, it gets handed out along with a bottle of 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:37.159 poppers and Madonna's greatest sts. I don't know. So that 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.599 was kind of when I saw it, and then I've 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.760 watched it probably a few times in the intervening period, 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.680 but it's been a long time since I watched it again. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:50.000 And I did that yesterday, which was interesting. Basically, I 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.839 suggested this movie just because I'm desperate to hear what 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.920 you both think about it. I kind of need I 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.200 needed some outside I need some outsided butts. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.160 Honestly, I was relying on you to be like, what 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:01.880 are you. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:02.560 Think about this? 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.720 Because I don't know what to make of it exactly. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.880 Yeah, we get to the bottom of it today. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.599 Yeah, yeah, Jamie, what is your relationship with the movie? 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.760 Weirdly had not seen it. I don't know why it 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.320 had been missing me for so many years. I love 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:22.280 this genre of movie. I love a violent click. I 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.320 love it. Yeah, I'd never seen it and it was 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.720 I mean, it's tricky. I like it. I like it. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.760 I think it is very funny. We'll talk about because 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.200 there's been like two oral histories written about Jawbreaker in 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.400 the same three year span. Who can say why, But 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.560 I do think it's very funny that the director of 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.679 this movie is very defensive about being like, it's not Heathers, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.440 and You're like, Darren, but not. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.880 Only that, it's like, it's not Heathers, But what's this 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.760 Mean Girls all about? It's so derivative of my. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.599 I know, he's like, Mean Girls is ripping me off. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.360 I was like, Darren, every thing I read from the director, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.359 he kind of he was cracking me up because I 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.560 was just like, sir, come on. But but the movie itself, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.000 I mean I thought it was like it's very dark. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.479 I thought it was like super funny at times and 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.080 then other there's I don't know. For a lot of 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.880 this movie I was thinking about, like, wow, I really 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.560 have to rewatch Heathers. But I feel like Job Breaker 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.600 does mostly does a thing that I appreciate where it's 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.000 like women are running the show the whole time. There 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.240 is one plot boyfriend, who I think we could have 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:37.039 done without. But outside of Zach, I do like that 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.400 this is a world mostly devoid of men at all 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.560 in terms of like power, influence, And I mean, you 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.000 can't hate too hard on a movie that features detective 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:55.200 Pam Greer doing some like career worst detective work, doing 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:00.000 just a really bad job. Pam Gregor's doing great, yeah, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.240 but her character is useless. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.880 Pam Grier's hair, especially. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.279 Oh my gosh, the bangs. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.480 Doing the most thes. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.000 My head canon is that she is like, the cops 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.240 are fucked a cab. I'm deliberately doing it. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.160 You're really gonna not solve this murder. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.840 She actually just knew what was coming from Marilyn Manson 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.200 and just wanted to lock him up. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:30.000 Oh my gosh, that plot points specifically ages stunningly well. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.920 You're like, leave him there, leave him, no need to 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:33.480 revisit that. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.200 I honestly didn't even recognize. It wasn't until I was 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.760 like reading through the fun facts about this because I remember, like, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.160 I don't know, he's prominently featured in the opening credits 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:45.760 and you're like, oh, and then at the end, I 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.720 was like, I don't think I know what he looks. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:52.880 Like without his like makeup, right, because he's not in 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.560 his makeup in the movie. You're just like, that is 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.040 I guess that is Marilyn Manson, but a bummer I 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.040 devember to tad to see him. Anyways, I hadn't seen it. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.800 I have mixed feelings about it, but like not feelings 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.320 that are so negative that I mean, it looks amazing. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.600 You have the same costume designer as like Rome and 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.120 Michelle and clueless, like, there's a lot to love about it, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.320 but I'm excited to get into it. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.400 Caitlin, had you seen this movie before? 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.840 Okay, I don't know. I thought I had seen it 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.000 the whole way through. I had a friend my freshman 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.320 year of college. Shout out Tina, who exposed me to 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.360 some of my still favorite movies. She showed me Josie 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.600 and the Pussycats, she showed me American Psycho a few others. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.480 But she had this very like eclectic taste in movies. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.959 And some of it was like, you know, fun mainstream 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.200 bops that I just hadn't seen. Some of it where 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.680 were your things like Jawbreaker, which have a cult following. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.800 Some were like movies that most people have never heard of, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.959 such as Happiness of the Categories. Like o any Bechdel 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.960 heads out there are familiar with the Happiness of the Categories, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.200 please let me know. Anyway, all this to say that 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.680 she showed me Jawbreaker, or at least I thought we 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.640 watched it all the way through together, because I have 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:19.000 the image of the trunk popping and Liz in the 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.520 trunk dead with like the bulge of the jaw Breaker 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:23.280 in her throat. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.280 Like that image whoever was doing the practical effects in 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.800 this movie ooh, like truly one of the most bone 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.280 chilling corpses. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:37.120 Yes, And that image was like seered into my brain 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.120 and my memory for all times. So I was like, 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.839 of course I've seen this movie. I remember that very well, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.400 but that happens in the first five minutes, and I 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.680 didn't remember any of the rest of the movie. So 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.560 I don't know if we like started watching it and 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.400 then we just started like talking over it and not 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.160 really paying attention. I don't know if I did sit 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.000 through it and just didn't remember anything except for that 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:00.000 one image. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.000 I don't really know. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.440 I feel like you'd remember the last shot as well, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:05.760 if you'd seen. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.120 It all right, you would think, yeah. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.120 Those are the two that like are the most memorable, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.280 the top and tail for sure. The middle of what 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.160 happens Who's I'm still not sure, YadA YadA. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:16.559 Zach. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.880 I will say that the scene that's like a flashback 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.319 when like Rose McGowan is having sex with Marilyn Manson 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.280 and the dead bodies under the bed, I was like, well, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.480 I kind of remember that too, So maybe I just 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.480 I simply don't know how much of this movie I've seen. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.400 All this to say, I've had some exposure to it before, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.360 but not much, and watching it this time for the 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.040 podcast was basically like I was watching it for the 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.400 first time. So I'm excited to talk about it again. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.320 I really don't know quite what to make of it, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.160 both from a like personal taste point of view and 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.240 a like talking about it for the podcast point of view. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.160 But again, we're gonna crack the case. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.160 We're gonna get to the bottom of it. I can 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:03.760 just feel it. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.480 We're going to get to the center of it some much. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:13.400 Oh the job. I wanted to go get some like 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.280 gobstoppers to be you know, rattling around in my mouth 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:18.600 during this time. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.520 But I've never understood the appeal of those candies. I'm 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.040 a soft candy girl all the way. It's candy corn season. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 We do like candy corn. Sorry to say that with 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.120 so much judgment, but it is the. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.760 So bitchy the way you said that. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.440 I am the Rose McGowan of this episode. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.000 Yeah, grow up, bitch. There is like a little baby 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.760 I do. I love the pumpkins. I just bought the 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.280 amount of like bad for you things I've had before 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.760 nine thirty in the morning. I'm finishing a root beer. Yeah, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.840 I'm going to stop talking about personal taste at this time. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:52.600 I'm realizing. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.160 Okay, yeah, sorry, sorry to be so mean about it, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.599 but candy corn is objectively the worst thing that was 0:11:58.640 --> 0:11:59.360 ever invented. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.640 You're out of your mind. That is a really sick thing. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:08.240 That I'm not waiting into this one. You two are on. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.719 Fair well. I guess we got to talk about Jawbreaker. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.520 Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll come 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.120 back for the recap. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.560 And we're back, okay. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:35.320 Before the recap, I will place a content warning for 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:42.319 rape and specifically false rape accusations that will come up 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.760 in the recap as well as our discussion. So we 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:51.480 open on voiceover narration from a teen girl talking about 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.120 this group of the fore most popular girls at her 0:12:55.200 --> 0:13:00.840 high school. They are Marcy played by Julie Ben's played 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.600 by Rebecca Gayheart, Courtney played by Rose McGowan, who is 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.360 the queen Bee and the meanest one of the group 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.199 and the nicest one, the most like quote unquote perfect 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:19.199 one is Liz Perr played by Charlotte Ayana. Now the narrator, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.760 who is a character who we will soon meet named 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.760 Fern Mayo played by Judy Greer. Great character name, I think. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:33.840 Oh my god, Formeo great early Judy Greer role great. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.120 But Fern Mao seems to be infatuated and obsessed with 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.520 Liz purr saying how she dreams of what it would 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.240 be like to be Liz because, unlike these four girls, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.520 Fern is not popular. She goes unnoticed by her peers. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:57.640 She's you know, nerdy. So then on Liz's seventeenth birthday, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:03.319 she's kidnapped from her bed a huge jawbreaker, the titular 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.959 jawbreaker in fact, kind of. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.040 A character in the story when you think about it. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.160 Okay, Also, when you think about it, it passes the 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:16.280 Bechdel test when this jawbreaker is shoved into the mouth 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:17.440 of one of the. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.360 Characters, silencing women. Interesting. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.560 I think it's like intellectual discourse to be sucking on 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:27.600 a job breaker. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:33.040 So that's my take on the matter, classic non candy 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:39.840 corn eater take. Okay, So a jawbreaker is shoved into 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.120 the mouth of Liz and covered with duct tape, and 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.160 then she's thrown into the trunk of a car, and 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.040 then we get a reveal that the three kidnappers are 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.840 actually just her three best friends, Marcy, Julie, and Courtney, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:59.480 who are playing a little like surprise birthday prank on Liz. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.520 And this the thing you both did right like this 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.240 is all teen girls have kidnapped their friends. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.560 Yeah, all teen girls. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.040 In more and more elaborate ways every year. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.320 Right, right, right, and more dangerous. I will say that 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.680 one year and I don't remember. This would have been 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.120 I think my sixteenth or seventeenth birthday. My friends they 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.320 didn't kidnap me. I knew they were coming, but they 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:26.800 did then linefold me and drive me to I forget 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.840 which mall but a mall a few tons over, and 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.320 then we went to I want to say Spencer's Gifts 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.560 because I had never been to Spencer's Gifts before. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.200 Wow, a little naughty, Caitlin. I know I've went into 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.800 a Spencer. There's a Spencer's Gifts on the third floor 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.400 of the Glendale Galleria. You have to really like navigate 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.560 carefully to find it. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.680 Yeah, I don't know about this. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.080 I've been to the Glendale GALLERYA and I've Spencer's Gifts. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:53.640 A sex shop. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.640 No, it's more it's like the idea of a sex shot. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.320 Right. They sell draws that are shaped like penises. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.520 Yeah, it's more like it's like a jokey shop. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.440 For like dude brosh. Yeah, it's about a. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.480 Twelve year old. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:09.200 Well, I don't know. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.800 There's a lot of stuff for they've really diversified their 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:19.880 perverted things. And I could say having been there recently. Anyways, Yeah, wait, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.520 so you were brought blindfolded to a Spencer's kid. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.120 Yeah, and then I took off the blindfold and I 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.520 was like, oh, this is cool. I actually probably really 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:30.680 enjoyed it at the time. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.880 As a whatever sixteen year old, I used to love 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.040 getting in the trunk of my friend's cars and scaring them. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.040 Okay, I've never done that. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:45.080 Like after dance rehearsal, classic hilarious joke. I would Yet 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.680 I was the Captain Bragg woman and there was this 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.960 girl who's a year younger, and I would just get 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.440 in the trunk of her car because you don't leave 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.480 her car unlocked. Again in the trunk of her car, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.240 it surprise her when she put her stuff away. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.960 Wow, I feel like that could have gone really badly 0:16:59.040 --> 0:16:59.320 for you. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.160 Yes, yes, but it's but I want everyone to know 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.879 that I'm willing to put my body on the line 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:05.400 for a bit. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:07.000 Uh huh. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.800 I mean I've seen it before. I'll see it again, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:10.359 I'm sure. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.200 Yeah. I mean if I make it, we'll see. Anyways, 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.760 they do kill their friend, and this is I think 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.520 that's like one of the best jokes of the entire 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.720 movie that they're like, of course everybody does this, this 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.560 is what girls do. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.000 It is very funny, right, So what happens They throw 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.639 in the trunk with no nefarious intentions or anything, but 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.879 when they open the trunk, they discover that Liz is dead. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:36.120 Apparently she had swallowed and choked on the jawbreaker, which 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.720 was Courtney's idea to shove into Liz's mouth. So Courtney 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.480 is the most culpable in Liz's death. They start panicking. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.640 They try to figure out what to do. Julie wants 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.760 to go to the police and tell them about this incident, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.400 which is effectively an accident. You know, they didn't mean 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.159 for her to die, but Courtney knows it's her fault 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.600 and she doesn't want to get in trouble, so she 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.320 coerces her friends into just going along with this plan 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.000 to keep it a secret, to go to school and 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.560 pretend like everything is normal. Courtney suggests that to get 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.080 them off the hook, they put Liz back in her 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.800 bed and make it seem like she was raped and 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.960 gagged with a jawbreaker and that's how she died. Unhinged again. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.680 Julie tries to object, but Courtney is like, no, we're 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:30.360 doing this. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.679 It is so wild to me. Like one of the 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.320 more bizarre elements of the job Breaker world that I 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.560 feel like Heathers and mean girls does and this doesn't, 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.760 is like give you a sense of like the other 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.120 people in this world. You meet a couple of characters 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.040 outside of the main characters, but it's like with Courtney especially, 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.720 you're like, where did this girl come from? Like I 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.920 feel like part of the reason that the Heathers and 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.720 Regina George are so like they're horrible, but you at 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.720 least know that they have like some like core wound. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.000 And you meet Regina George's mom, You're like, oh, of 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.879 course she's fucked up like this environment. But Corney just 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.320 like exists in this evil void. It's weird, yeah. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.040 But everything about it is very dreamlike, like the fact 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.280 that Fern is somehow the captain of the cheerleading. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.320 Squad, but when did that happen? 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:23.600 How and when. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.600 When did that happen? And who was involved in that? 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.080 And like it all exists in this kind of like 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.720 the way a dream almost works, where you're like, I'm 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.080 popular now so now these things have happened to me, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.639 but we didn't have to go from A to B. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.440 We just magically transported ourselves there. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.280 Yeah, there are many scenes that feel like they should 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.800 have taken place on screen that just happened off screen, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.359 such as like Julie deciding not to be their friends anymore, 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.840 which is about to happen, right. You think you would 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.280 have like seen a confrontation where Julie's like, I'm not 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:55.959 going to be a part of this, but that just 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.280 suddenly she's like not walking with the popular girls anymore. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.159 It's just visually communicated to us by the fact that 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.600 she starts wearing Denham, and that's like how we understand 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.600 that she's no longer friends with them? 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.280 Yes, exactly is your friend wearing Denham? Check on them? 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.639 Right? They might have accidentally killed someone and don't know 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:17.119 what to do. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:24.119 Okay, So they go to school, and at school, a 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:29.680 teacher named Miss Sherwood played by Carol Kane asks Courtney 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.359 to pick up Liz's assignments at the end of the day, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.600 knowing that Liz isn't in school, though she doesn't know why, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:42.280 of course, but Courtney is late in picking up the assignments, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.320 but the narrator, Fern Mayo, happens to be right there, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.000 so Miss Sherwood asks Fern to take the assignments to 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.560 Liz's home. The other girls find out about this, so 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.040 they race to Lizz's house before Fern can get there 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.080 to set this like a Lie Jude rape scene up. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.680 It's very chaotic. They're kind of freaking out. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.359 Sorry this is I was just thinking about Carol Caine. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.240 I was like, where have we seen Carol Caine play 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.240 a kooky teacher before? And the answer is Confessions of 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.560 a teenage drama Queen. Oh my gosh, anyone else. I 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.560 was like, I've seen her play this exact character and 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:21.359 it's a couple of. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:25.560 Years later in a Lindsay Lowhand role that is not 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.080 Mean Girls. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.040 But did come out in two thousand and four. Makes 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.359 you think the Matrix. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:38.720 Yeah, yes, okay. So anyway, they're setting up this scene. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.880