1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,760 Speaker 1: What's up, y'all. 2 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 2: This is j E. 3 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Skeets from the No Dunk's podcast, excited to share with 4 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: you a new podcast from The Athletic. It's called Shattered, Hope, Heartbreak, 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: and the New York Knicks. Shattered is a documentary style 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: podcast series on the past twenty years of the Knicks. 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Hosted by hip hop legend Chuck d The series tells 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: all the wild, crazy stories from the franchise under team 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: owner James Dolan. Here now are the first five minutes 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: of episode one. To listen to more search Shattered wherever 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of my adult life 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: has been built around never letting the Knicks hurt me 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: like that. 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: Again. 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: If they suck, they suck. If Jim Dolan does something 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: absolutely idiotic, he did it again. Of course he did. 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: The saddest moment as a Knicks fan was undoubtedly a legend, 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 4: Charles Oakley. They dragged him out of there like he 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: was a piece of garbage, Charles. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 5: Stamps. 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: And that was the first time where I started to think, like, 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 4: this isn't the team that I grew up loving, This 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: isn't worth. 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 6: It Dolan's ownership. 26 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 3: I mean it's been twenty years of chaos and mayhem. 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: Inept does that work? Clown show, embarrassment, sad, pathetic. 28 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: There's a generation of fans that had become very apathetic. 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. 30 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 5: It's like the cool thing right now is not the 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 5: nixt Yes. 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 7: I believe New York City is the mecca of basketball. 33 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 5: I didn't know how much we could continue to include 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 5: the next necessarily in that conversation, because how long do 35 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 5: you get to live on what a team used to be? 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: You're really going to bring up pat Riley to New York. 37 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: I was like, listen, that's the last time y'all were good. 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 6: You should say thank you. 39 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 5: With Dolan as the owner, many players just don't want 40 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 5: to play for him. 41 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: I think we're going to have a very successful offseason 42 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: when it comes to free agents. 43 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 5: I say New York is where legends go to die. 44 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 5: That can't all be blamed on James Dolan, but it 45 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 5: certainly has happened under his watch. 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 8: Sell the team. 47 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: I think James Dolan he has incredibly thin skin and 48 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: the emotional maturity of a young child. 49 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 6: With Dolan, it's don't like babysitting. Felt like everybody was 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 6: aware that there was this man child that had reckless 51 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 6: emotional reactions to things. 52 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: They've been fucked up for twenty years. Twenty fucking years. 53 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: That's crazy to say. 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 7: Look, I know this will sound crazy to people, but 55 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 7: I'll believe it till the day I die. The New 56 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 7: York Knicks organization has pissed off the basketball gods one 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 7: too many times. They are feeling the effects of that. 58 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 5: Now I'm Chuck d and the Athletic presents Shatting Hope 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 5: Heartbreak in the New York Knicks. This series will tell 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 5: the story of the past twenty years of the Knicks, 61 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 5: from the moment James Dolan took control of the franchise 62 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 5: until now, from all the moments of Hope, mar Berry, 63 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 5: Carmelo amare insanity. Chris STAPs to why the team has 64 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 5: been unable to sustain success. To understand where the Knicks 65 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 5: are today, we have to understand where they've been. On 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 5: this episode of Shatted, we'll look back at the last 67 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: truly great era of the Knicks, the snarling, aggressive and 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 5: entertaining nineties Knicks, let by franchise legend Patrick Ewick. 69 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 8: Sometimes you don't realize what you have until it's gone. 70 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 8: Once I left, then they realized how good I was 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 8: for them. 72 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 5: What made those teams special allowed them to sustain success 73 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 5: over an entire decade, And we'll discuss what caused the 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 5: end of the nineties Knicks and why things haven't been 75 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 5: the same since this is shatted Episode one. The collapse 76 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: of the nineties Knicks. 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 8: We knew that we represented the blue collar you know, 78 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 8: hard had city. You know, New York has both as 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 8: the flare and the glitz and the glamour, but it 80 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 8: also has people who makes the city go. Represented them 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 8: extremely well. 82 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 5: Whatever made the nineties Nick special came from their star 83 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 5: player Patrick Ewing. The expectations on the former number one 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 5: overall pick were massive. When Ewing was in high school 85 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 5: in Massachusetts, his high school coach, Mike Jarvis said that 86 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 5: Ewing was going to be like Bill Russell, the greatest 87 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 5: winner in NBA history, except Ewing would be better offensively. 88 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 5: And the funny thing is Mike Jarvis was kind of right. 89 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 5: Ewing was a modern day version of Russell with a 90 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 5: better offensive game. He was a forceful, game changing presence 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 5: on defense and on offense. It was Ewing's soft touch 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 5: at eighteen foot jumper that set them apart from most 93 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 5: other centers of the generation. Despite all this, the basketball 94 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 5: smarts combined with the physical gifts, Ewing and his next 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: teammates were underdogs because they played in the same era 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 5: as Michael Jordan. But it was that underdog quality that 97 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 5: connected Ewing's Knicks with fans in an almost spirit away. 98 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 8: They were always just like we were ready for those 99 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 8: big games. They were ready as well. You know. They 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 8: was always at a fever pitch. They were their supporting 101 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 8: This Jenn was moving us at times, but it was great. 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 5: In nineteen eighty five, the same year Ewing was drafted 103 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 5: number one overall, Jeff Van Gundy was just starting his 104 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: head coaching Korea at mccuay Jesuit High School in Rochester, 105 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 5: New York. Just a decade later, he'd be coaching Ewing 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 5: in the world's most famous arena, leading the New York Knicks. 107 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: People always say, like New York love stars. When people 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: say that, it's like they only love stars. 109 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 8: I don't agree with that. 110 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: I think they love anybody that gives great effort and has, 111 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: you know, passion. That's why I've never believed it's it's 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: just a city that appreciates stars like they appreciate hard 113 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: playing good basketball. 114 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: Well that was the first five minutes of episode one 115 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: of Shattered, the athletics new podcast series on the past 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: twenty years of the Knicks. New episodes come out every 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: every Tuesday. 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