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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson except no imitations. And Matt looking here

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Speaker 2: at I know you had your first UH rookie draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a second one coming on Friday, and

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Speaker 3: But now there's just people checking in left and right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking here now at a Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Superflex Rookie mock Draft. Okay, okay, and

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Speaker 2: we'll just want to see how this, uh, how this

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Speaker 2: this is round one. The first pick was ast Gent.

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Speaker 2: Two in this draft and this was an actual draft.

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Speaker 3: Was Travis Hunter the one that I so, I've only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I don't need a quarterback, but this

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Speaker 3: I mean first overall quarterbacks. Are almost always a top

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Speaker 3: Okay, for some reason, people don't view Ward as an elite.

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Speaker 3: And you're not thrilled to start him this year. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, there's very little competition for catches there too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Caleb Johnson coming in pretty early, pretty early

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Speaker 2: And that's I think that's why in this year's draft,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just how it works out sometimes. And you

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Speaker 3: Like he's in trouble. Yeah, there's a couple of those. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He's a good opportunity boom. Let's just roll with that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lalli. That was the fantasy football focus

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Speaker 2: here today. Some people like it, other people don't.

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Speaker 3: You learn a lot about the league. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: To it than just we're gonna look at who he's got,

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Speaker 2: no learn you figure.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to project the future in the dynasty world.

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Speaker 3: What's this guy gonna be like in two years? You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, let's get to a break. We'll be

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: spread the word, ask questions to all that stuff. Matt.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Sikama, he.

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Speaker 3: Joined us at the combine. Yeah, Trevor does great work.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus. He is put together his off season

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Speaker 3: Now it's funny because yesterday I listened to the podcast

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Speaker 2: So looking at the teams here, he gave the Arizona

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Speaker 2: You can't fix everything in an off season.

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Speaker 3: They could use one more O lineman, They could use

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Speaker 3: And remember where this team came from, their Eagle descends,

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Speaker 2: For the Falcons, they get a C plus because.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it's they mortgaged the first round pick,

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Speaker 3: it's sort of similar, except that they're not. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: Well, they'll get they'll get something in return for trading counts.

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Speaker 3: Just think they'll get a really late round pick.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it'd be really late.

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Speaker 2: How much money you're willing to take on. You know,

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Speaker 3: I would say if they took them the brunt of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens get an anus, they.

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Speaker 3: Always do, but they're also pretty good at this keeping

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Speaker 3: Stanley's big. For me, that had be priority one. I'm

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Speaker 2: Letting McCarry go was was to me was you couldn't

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Speaker 2: and spent money on DeAndre Hopkins, Like, yeah, draft was

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Speaker 2: not that those are equal.

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Speaker 3: They're not the same. They're not the same.

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Speaker 2: I would have figured out a way to keep McCary around,

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Speaker 3: yes for ninety percent of the teams because nothing bad

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Speaker 2: Year older, year older, right right right now? That doesn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, so Sam Haywards. But they're not running backs

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Speaker 3: right right? You know?

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Speaker 2: The Bills get an A minus.

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Speaker 3: I liked that it was so defensive heavy. I would

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Speaker 2: I would have liked to see two safeties because Tamorrow

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Speaker 3: It's bad. I forget that they did use a Day

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Speaker 3: that I forget his name off the top of my head,

438
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 3: so I think they're counting on him. But at least

439
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 3: one more.

440
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 2: Carolina gets an A.

441
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm not a problem with that. I don't love Ted McMillan.

442
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 3: But I see the lot. Yeah, you know, and the

443
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: defense was so bad. They put a lot into the defense.

444
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: I mean the defense might go from the worst to

445
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 3: below average. That's a step in the right direction. You know,

446
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 3: Rome wasn't built in the day.

447
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: Then once again, the Bears get an A plus.

448
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: I understand it because listening to the podcast the Ben

449
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 3: Johnson higher, they spent a lot, but they rebuilt the interior,

450
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 3: the O line. Sure, some things I don't like about

451
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 3: the Bears, though, in a running back heavy draft, I

452
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 3: would have.

453
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: Got that would have didn't get anybody.

454
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: I'd have got a fifth round pack for something, because

455
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't trust Swift and Roshawn Johnson's just a dude,

456
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: and I thought they overspent on the d lineman, the

457
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: edge guys and big I crush his name, but he's

458
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: like one of the highest paid edge players in the

459
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: league and he's very average.

460
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: The Bengals get a C plus. They've been getting a

461
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: lot of a lot. Well, they kept they kept T Higgins. Yeah,

462
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: they kept T Higgins. Trey Hendrickson shows up for their

463
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: offseason workouts today in street close and doesn't do anything.

464
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the schefter are reported like they haven't.

465
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: He's not gonna do anything. He may not play for them,

466
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: he may not play for them this year. He could

467
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: be and the next guy to get traded. And I

468
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: don't think the defense.

469
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 3: Really got any better. No, I don't think the position

470
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: really didn't get any better. They're so dependent on those three.

471
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a good three to be dependent, phenomenal, Yeah,

472
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: but it's fragile, yeah, very much. So Cleveland gets a C.

473
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: There's such mixed opinions on them. I don't see it.

474
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how I would wait keeping Garrett, but frankly,

475
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 3: I'd rather almost have the picks if I were them.

476
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 3: But I understand keeping them.

477
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: They put themselves in that situation. Right again, I don't

478
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: want people in misconstrues like I I am not would

479
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: not be in favor of the Steelers trading TJ. Watt, right,

480
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: but I think the Steelers are in a different situation

481
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: than the Browns are with Miles Garrett and because of

482
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: what they did to themselves.

483
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: Right with the Watson and Steelers. Watch, Yeah, neither would

484
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: thirty other teams plus Watt never demanded the trade. Garrett demanded,

485
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: and then they said out, just take a lot money.

486
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: Same thing Watson did to them. He was out, I'm

487
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: not Cleveland's off my list, and they backed up a

488
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: big little money and said, oh, I'm going to go

489
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: to Cleveland.

490
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 3: And then the other news too that we've suspected for

491
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: a while is j Okay goes.

492
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: On that he's done for the year.

493
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: Yea on the really bad list.

494
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, done for the year. Will not play football

495
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: this maybe never again. It's a neck issue.

496
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: We talked about Carolina. Jonathan Brooks is.

497
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: On him a shame. He's a good young player. He's

498
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: a great young player. I really liked him. But that's

499
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: not a good sign. The Cowboys get a C plus

500
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: not a lot of act. Well, did the coaching change

501
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: make them better? I don't think killed the coaching change

502
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: right and say it was very banal. I mean, I

503
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: don't know that it's like whoa, that's a splash move.

504
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Pickens is their biggest move, which is fine.

505
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: I mean they needed another receiver, for sure, but they're

506
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: not very active as a team anymore. Yeah, they're so

507
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: draft reliant.

508
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: Denver gets an a.

509
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. I think that the defense is

510
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: still really really strong. Pick up Ingram on the cheap.

511
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: They didn't do a time, so they're.

512
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: Big defensive signings. Drake green Law and Hafanga.

513
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking more about Baron in the first round.

514
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: But they're kind of two guys that have been a

515
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: little banged up.

516
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: Over the career. Yeah, I mean right up the middle.

517
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: They could their big time playmakers fly around. Can they

518
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 3: stay on the field.

519
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: Guys, that's a that's a big question I have with them.

520
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: That is a concern. One more receiver wouldn't have broke

521
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: my heart either. Yeah, it's a little light there.

522
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: Like I bet their first round pick next year is

523
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: a wide out. Someton's not young.

524
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: Detroit gets a B minus.

525
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: I didn't love their draft.

526
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: They swapped out Carlton Davis for DJ Reid, which I

527
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: think is an upgrade.

528
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: I guess that's an upgrade. I don't know how much

529
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: they're waiting it, but you lose two coordinators. I mean

530
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: it's hard to that's not an easy thing to overcome.

531
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: The Packers get a C minus.

532
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: What don't we like about them? Not a lot of splash.

533
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: I don't dislike the draft. Didn't do much in free agency, No, Yeah,

534
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean last year there was Josh Jacobs and McKinney,

535
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: and they did something. They were kind of went outside

536
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: the box a little bit.

537
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: Houston gets a D.

538
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 3: I could see the O line stuff really being worries him.

539
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: All you did, you shuffle the chairs around a little bit,

540
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: but you make any changes.

541
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that.

542
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: It's did you get work better?

543
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: Right? Receiving group looks better, coordinator change defense is pretty

544
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: solid if I'd have been that hard on him.

545
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: The Colts get a B plus.

546
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: Considering the options. I like Gregon grabbing Daniel Jones. He's

547
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 3: a professional quarterback.

548
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: They did lose Ryan Kelly and Will Freeze.

549
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 3: I say, I wish they had done more with the

550
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: O line.

551
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: That was I mean, that was a strength for them

552
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: for years.

553
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: Right, and now it's I mean Bordolini. I like the

554
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 3: decordinator higher which since he lost.

555
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: Jacksonville gets a B plus.

556
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: Sweeping changes, new GM, new coach trade up for Hunter.

557
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean good, doesn't mean good, and it's aggressive.

558
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody was lotting the kid and I call him

559
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: a kid because he looks like he's kid.

560
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: He's young.

561
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's any good or not. I

562
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: mean he made some bold moves.

563
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made some bold moves and he put his

564
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: stamp on the team for sure. Yeah, we'll see. I

565
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 3: mean that that's all.

566
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Lauren gave him too much. But Kansas City gets a B.

567
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: A lot of O line changes, trading, trading.

568
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Joe Thuni and and counting on Kingsley Sue Maattaya to

569
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: be your starting that's a that's a.

570
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: I think Smith Smith or Thy signing Jayleb Moore. I

571
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: don't think that's gonna pay I don't.

572
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: Think that's gonna pay off. They overpaid for him.

573
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: I do think getting Simmons in the first round is

574
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: a gift, whether he plays soon or not.

575
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: Okay, they have they have the deodoranto to cover up.

576
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: Of course, of course they don't draft and acquire players

577
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: as well as people think it's nice when you have

578
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: Kelsey Spagnolo reed in my home.

579
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Raiders get an A minus.

580
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: I think they're relevant. It's been so long since they're relevant.

581
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 3: From Brady to Carol to the offensive coordinator that they

582
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: hired from Ohio State and Gino and Gente. I mean

583
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: like it's a lot different group than it was.

584
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: They've changed the culture.

585
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they sure did.

586
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: Chargers get a C. Plus.

587
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: I was critical of then when we broke them down

588
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: because if you recall only the Patriots had more salary

589
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: caps base than the Chargers. They really didn't and didn't

590
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: do a lot with it.

591
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean, they made all these moves

592
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: last year so they could make a big splash next year.

593
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: They had to kind of eat their vegetables last year,

594
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: and they didn't do a.

595
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Whole ky Beckton doesn't move the needle for me.

596
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: He's okay, but yeah, I mean, where are the the

597
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: defensive playmakers? Where's the d tackle? Punaford left, he's a

598
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: good player, Bosa left, Hampton's fine, but you know the

599
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: running back the first round?

600
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rams get a B plus.

601
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: Wante Adams is a long way for me. They kept there,

602
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: They kept their left tackle at a pretty good price,

603
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: kept the quarterback, kept a quarterback. Yeah, I guess he

604
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: was up in the air. They added Poonifford and a

605
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: couple more linemen to an already deep D line. What

606
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: if they led land Jalen Ramsey pretty good offseason, I.

607
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Would have been more harsh on this team. Miami. Maybe

608
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: they get a C plus plus.

609
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: The Rams also have a future first pick. The Falcons

610
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: Miami's in trouble because they have massive cap stuff. I

611
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: was here in today. The amount of money, the money

612
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: that I don't know the exact number, but the percentage

613
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: of cap that Tua, Tyreek and Ramsey eats up is astronomical.

614
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: And they're really handcuffed for a year or two financially.

615
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: Nobody has made a deal with Ramsey's been available for

616
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: what a month? Right, and that nobody's I think you will.

617
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: Get Tyreek Hill too, and he's doesn't seem to be moving.

618
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: These are things they did to themselves. So they signed

619
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: Ramsey and Tyreek Hill last year.

620
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Right, they gave up a pretty good pick to go

621
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: get big ownA from Arizona. You know, like they got

622
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: cap problems.

623
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: The Vikings, you got a B plus.

624
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: I like the Bears. I really respect building an entire

625
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: interior line that's not easy to do in one offseason,

626
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: and even two to three hit that goes a long way.

627
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 3: McCarthy's really in a nice spot. But the defense is

628
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: two D tackles that are older, hard grave. Otherwise it

629
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: was hey, coach Flores, yeah, this is why you're so good,

630
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: but you're not giving you much scheme this up? Yeah, yeah,

631
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: we're not giving you much.

632
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: The Patriots get an A plus. They spent the most

633
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: money of anybody in free agency because they had it.

634
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: Had a lot in the draft.

635
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I don't give anyone I heard, but

636
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: I heard this in the like the team that has

637
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: spent the most money in free agency every year has

638
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: improved their lot by two and a half or three

639
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: games in the next season.

640
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: It's not as much you think. It's your point, right, Yeah, they.

641
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Won four games last year, so if they if they

642
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: get the seven wins this year, six six or seven

643
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: wins this year, is that going to be enough? Knowing

644
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: that if I'm Robert Crafton I wrote all those checks

645
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: for all these signing bonuses, I.

646
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: Think that's more like. Well, then the year after that

647
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: of my nine, the year for that.

648
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Keep growing and you're probably not going to make that.

649
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: Kind of jump. You probably won't be able to add

650
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: as much. You're not going to add as much the

651
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: Henderson's and Kyle Williams and I mean all the dudes

652
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: you drafted.

653
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: The problem then becomes at some point your quarterback is

654
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: going to get paid.

655
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: You know, We've had this conversation with them too, like

656
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: they'd always cap money, but they didn't have anyone to

657
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: even give it to on their team. I mean, now

658
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: hopefully you know Campbell was worth a big bag of money.

659
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: The Saints get a D minus.

660
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: Say, I think it's terrible. I mean, they don't know

661
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: when to punt. They just keep hanging on. Yeah, I

662
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: don't see the vision.

663
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: The Giant's gonna B minus.

664
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: Uh. I mean they kept the coaching gm and in,

665
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: which I don't have a problem with unless you're only

666
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: going to keep them for a year after they draft

667
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: Dart and the next guy has to inherit and we've

668
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: seen that story that way. You can't. You can't. You

669
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: got to liver today. A Blue Carter is a nice addition. No,

670
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: it's a fine offseason.

671
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: The Jets get a B.

672
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they realize maybe we have something in fields.

673
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: In the meantime, we'll build an O line. We're not

674
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: a contender this year. I like the coach hire, but

675
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a rough season. Yeah.

676
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: The Eagles get to be.

677
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: Okay, not crazy changes.

678
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: They lost the coordinator, lost.

679
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: The coordinator, they lost backed in. They did keep Bond,

680
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: which I think was a big move for them. They

681
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: lost some d line help, but they drafted a little

682
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: bit of it. It's they lost Sleigh. I mean that's

683
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: a valuable contributor.

684
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweat Milton Williams.

685
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's some They lost more than the gain. Yeah.

686
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: The forty nine ers get a D.

687
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: They lost a lot and I didn't really love their draft.

688
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: Trade a debo and what do you really have the

689
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: show for? It's yeah, I tend to agree.

690
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: The Seahawks get a B.

691
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it. But I might have just kept Gino.

692
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, for what you're paying, he

693
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: got a little younger. He got younger, and not as

694
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: young as he got almost thirty is he as close

695
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: to it?

696
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: And he may not be quite thirty yet. But I

697
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: don't know that he had to go. I mean I

698
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: think Metcalf had to go because they have had such

699
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: cap problems. Yeah, but trading Gino and then giving them

700
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: money to Darnald, it's kind of a wash. When he

701
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: picked the boy a third round pick in the mix,

702
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: defense looks good.

703
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: The Buccaneers get an a minus. Lost their offensive coordinator.

704
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: They seem to every year now. Bukah is a nice

705
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: pick up, a kind of a luxury pick. The other

706
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: draft was mostly defense. They kept Godwin. Their biggest need

707
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: I thought was linebacker and they didn't address it. Yeah right, Yeah,

708
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: it's a quality organization though.

709
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Tennessee a C plus.

710
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: It's a tough one because you don't need to give

711
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: them credit for taking the quarterback one one. But it

712
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: did happen. I mean they now have a quarterback to building.

713
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: They built an offensive line.

714
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a real O line now. And I

715
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't say that about the Patriots. They're now have five

716
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: real starters on the O line. That's something to you know,

717
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: that start. It's gonna be a long year for them too.

718
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: The Commanders get an A minus.

719
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: Yes, but the defense looks worse. Yeah. The offense says

720
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: a lot around them now, you know, but where's the

721
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: edge pass rush coming?

722
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: Guys you're counting on like Zach Ertz and Bobby Wagonery. Yeah,

723
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: they're getting those old old not just old old old.

724
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know that. You were just like, we

725
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: need two pieces to get over the hump because we

726
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: were final four team. I still worry about the defense

727
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: front seven.

728
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, which brings us finally to the Steelers. They get

729
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: a C minus. Yeah, and he said that the great

730
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. The Rogers situation could change that. You sub

731
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Dk Metcalf for George Pickens. You gave a round in

732
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: the draft to do that, Well, you gave one. You

733
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: picked one up right right right, which is right not

734
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: in the same round, cost you more money, cap space? Yeah,

735
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: and you had your draft. He said he likes the

736
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: additions of Sleigh and Derek Carmon and Caleb Johnson.

737
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: The big thing that they've stressed on the potion is

738
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: we have to grade what we're looking at. Now, get

739
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: your quarterback situation as it stands is one of the

740
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: worst in the league. So I can't give you a

741
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: great grade.

742
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: Dan Orlowski today on I think the McAfee show said

743
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: that the Steelers' offense is the least scary in the NFL. Now,

744
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: I think that's wrong.

745
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: I think that's wrong.

746
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: Tell me the Saints offense is scarier. Telling me the

747
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: Browns offense is scarier. You're telling me who else? Do

748
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: I think of the Titans offense is scarier? I think,

749
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: can't tell me that the Jets offense is necessarily scarier.

750
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: I agree that it's wrong. But what we're looking at

751
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: today on May.

752
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: But he's even saying even if they like, I don't know,

753
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: I think if you if you sign Rogers, does that

754
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: become go from a C minus to a sea Does

755
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: it go to a C plus?

756
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: Does it go to I think they said they were

757
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: jumping up a whole letter grade. Trevor said, then I

758
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: go to a B minus. I understand the plan and

759
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: I think that's coming. I just can't grade something that

760
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet. You didn't take the test. I can't

761
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: give you a grade. But like back to like Wosky's saying,

762
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: the offense, the vision of Rogers throwing to pickens and

763
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: everything there that's in place as opposed to neither one

764
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: of those things being in place now. But we think

765
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: different things are going to happen between now and when

766
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: you play football.

767
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, So I don't know that Seattle's offense

768
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: is necessarily super scary right now.

769
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: No, I mean Cooper cups and yeah, you know, but

770
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: their own lines are very good, right right right?

771
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 2: They got issues? No, yeah, I mean I could, I could.

772
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: There's maybe up to ten of them that are in

773
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: the same neighborhood or worse right now.

774
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: Right now. That's not even considering Rogers signing.

775
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: That's the thing is I think that shoe's going to drop,

776
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 3: and I think there will be a receiver at it. Yeah.

777
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: You know, if they line up with this crew, well

778
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: they're better win games thirteen nine right right, I mean

779
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: today they don't play games today.

780
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: They don't play any today.

781
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

782
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: I just you know that for people who just roll

783
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: with with the Mason Rudolph.

784
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: Look, I hear that all the time.

785
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: I like Mason Rudolf. Mason's are the great guy.

786
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: And then a bad shape if he didn't signed.

787
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: If you had to have Mason Rudolph start again, a

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: three game stretch for you, Okay.

789
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I hear people saying, just roll

790
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: Will Howard out there to him, like he's a six

791
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: round pick. Guys, you've never even seen him play in

792
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: the NFL, and he's the answer. They found the.

793
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Idea that the Steelers coaching staff didn't. They didn't give

794
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: Mason a chance. They see him every day in practice.

795
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to win.

796
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: They want to win. The idea is to win games.

797
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: And maybe maybe there were some some residual stuff from

798
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: early in Mason's career with the coaching staff, like they

799
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: decided at some point. Yeah, we we can't go this route.

800
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean this is they are the ones that actually

801
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: benched him in Cincinnati.

802
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

803
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: Now, he was coming off a start against the Browns

804
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: where he got clubbed over the head of the helmet

805
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: and then was called a racist. So there were some

806
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: there was there as some circumstances are surrounding that start.

807
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: But he didn't that game against Cincinnati. It's it's I

808
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: can't argue it nor but there were circumstances. But when

809
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: he came back, he played well and then got hurt and.

810
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: That was a bummer too. Like I thought, well, he's

811
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: starting to get momentum back, and I remember he got

812
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: hurt versus the Jets in that game. But the league

813
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: is not exactly said.

814
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: It's not Nobody is screaming that this guy's clear. That

815
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: has not happened, and folks are not going to just

816
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: play a guy so that they get five wins. It's

817
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: not going to happen either.

818
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: That's not the goal you.

819
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: Nor do they just play guy just to see what

820
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: he can do. Now that doesn't happen. They see what

821
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: he can do in practice every day.

822
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Will Howard's gonna play a lot in the preseason,

823
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: they'll see what he can do there. Yeah, then he's

824
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: gonna be third and.

825
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: In acting, you play seventeen games. There's only seventeen. You're

826
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: not going to throw a guy in or just to

827
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: see how it goes.

828
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: They're right. I mean, if you're eliminated in week eighteen different,

829
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: or if you got the number one seed locked up

830
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: Will Howard, it's your start go you know, But that's

831
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: not how it works.

832
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: That's not how this works. You're trying to win every

833
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: game possible and that's the way it should.

834
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

835
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: You want to put the best, your best foot forward

836
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: on the field because again, you only get seventeen chances

837
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: to do it. It's not like baseball where you can

838
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: just throw Henry Davis out on the field and see

839
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: what he can do for a week.

840
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah that's not there. That's definitely that's different, right right.

841
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: This is a different situation.

842
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: No, it's a starting quarterback.

843
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: It's a starting quarterback. If it doesn't work, it bogs

844
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: everything down. We've seen bad situation quarterbacks who are not

845
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: ready to play thrown in there.

846
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: It's ugly, and Rudolph's ready to play, and right, right, right,

847
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: I've seen it. There's other options that are available to

848
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: give you a better chance to win.

849
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: And that's the idea to win.

850
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: Win.

851
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to a break that's going to do it.

852
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: That was Trevor Sakima's off season grades. He is Matt Williamson.

853
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

854
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back

855
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: to finish up the show right after this.

856
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: At least.

857
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

858
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: your twenty fourth seven home of the Black and Gold

859
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio.

860
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

861
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt Though we mentioned the thing

862
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: with Trey Henderson and the Yeah, all of a sudden,

863
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: he's saying that he won't play on his current deal. Yeah,

864
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: I mean flat out not might not play. He won't play.

865
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: What I had read yesterday or the day before was, hey,

866
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: I haven't had any talks. I'm not real happy. I

867
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: guess Cincinnati this is not talking to him at all,

868
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: Like you're under contract, we're not gonna bend for you.

869
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: And they're very rigid. I mean they're they're the worst

870
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: team to get in this argument with Yeah, and they'll

871
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: just history shows that they won't trade you and they'll

872
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: let you sit or whatever. You're under contract or under contract.

873
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: But he's by far their best defensive player. That's terrible. Yeah,

874
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's keeps you out the playoff type of

875
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: move you like, or keep you out even contention, he's

876
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: just so much from his.

877
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Base salary right now is fifteen point eight million. He's

878
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: led He led the league in sacks last year. He

879
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: was second two years ago, twenty nine to thirty something

880
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: like that. He's thirty, okay, but he's still in effective

881
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: pass rusher.

882
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: Very put him opposite Adon Hutchinson or I mean, there's

883
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: a lot of teams that could absorb fifteen million. I

884
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: don't think he cost you a first round pick second second.

885
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: I think from what I heard when when people would

886
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: call about him, the Bengals were over asking, like, oh,

887
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: the trade him, but we went two We went two

888
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: first round picks.

889
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: This isn't like a big trade secret. They're the hardest

890
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: team to deal with in the league in terms of

891
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: they don't trade during the draft. They don't trade their

892
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: players very often. Maybe I mean, it's pretty rare for

893
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: a player to flat out sit out.

894
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's the thing, Like, he's under contract, yeah,

895
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: and he's a veteran player, he's not on his rookie deal.

896
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: So if he starts sitting out, he starts missing games,

897
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: they have to find him. And it's mandatory. You can't

898
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: wave those fines. It's an opinion thing.

899
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: And now, oh, by the way, he doesn't get his

900
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: week one check, this week two check anders fines on

901
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: top of it.

902
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: It'd be about fifteen point eight million, about eight hundred

903
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: plus thousand a week in fines that you would.

904
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: And I'm sure he has money, but that's not a

905
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: fun year. And then all of a sudden, you're thirty one.

906
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: If you're doing something like that, you better be damn

907
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: sure you're gonna win the negotiation. Here's the thing with

908
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: the Bengals. Let's say, let's say he sits out all

909
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: a training camp, which seems likely, which seems very likely,

910
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: and takes us into the regular season. What's been their

911
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: problem the last couple of years, actually, as as long

912
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: as they've had Joe Burrow slow starts.

913
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I was thinking just the defensive general state, right, right,

914
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: but they're slow starts.

915
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: The slow starts have been an issue.

916
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have the coaching staffs to blame for that

917
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: because they don't play any buddy in the preseason. And

918
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: I know Burrows had a lot of camp injuries and

919
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: I think he had like a kidney issue. It's some

920
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: one of his organs was, you know, so you don't

921
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: play him? It was something like that, right. I remember,

922
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: even being a Latrobe he got carted off the one

923
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: time in practice. So he has not had easy preseasons

924
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: and training camps. But they always start so slow and

925
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: by the end of the year it's like, boy, nobody

926
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: wants to play the Bengals, but they followed game short

927
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: because what happened in September. Yeah, man, I mean that's

928
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: can you have if you do give him the contract

929
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: he deserves. That's a ton of your cap with four players,

930
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: and they're the right ones, but that's real top heavy build.

931
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: If you deal them now, you're not going to have

932
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: anything at defensive end, right, you know you'll get future

933
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: paid well even.

934
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: At that their first round draft pick. She's not ready

935
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: shows up for rookie mini campuses. I'm not practicing on

936
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sign the waiver to practice. I'm not going

937
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: to go out there and sign this waiver and go

938
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: get hurt.

939
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't miss it. I missed that.

940
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he didn't. He didn't do anything at the

941
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: rookie mini camp. And he's not going to do any

942
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: want in mini camps and mini camps until he gets

943
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: a contract.

944
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: And he needs all the reps he can get. And again,

945
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: they're not exactly great at developing talent. And he's on

946
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: defense and he's raw, and that he's that was that's

947
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: a coaching staff draft pick. You know, we'll give you

948
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: a ross specimen turn him into something. Their history is

949
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: not great with that, and he's not a great football player.

950
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: Now it might be some day, who knows, man, that

951
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: might be the worst defense in the league. It was

952
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: in contention last year was like historically bad, but they

953
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: didn't have any good players and Darrek Brown's hurt.

954
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: Every time the Bengals played, for the most part, when

955
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: they played a good football team, they turned into a shootout.

956
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even remember yesterday's show. Now, I don't agree

957
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 3: that their O line is thirty two, but if it's

958
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: even in contention for thirty two, Burrow could be superman.

959
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: But if you have the worst line and worst defense

960
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: in the league, like.

961
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: Little Rough, Yeah, I mean and again again, because you paid,

962
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 2: you're paying the quarterback and two wide receivers so much money.

963
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've missed on so many defensive you're not picked.

964
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: So and they're not a team that acquires a bunch

965
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: of draft picks because they pretty.

966
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: Much just never do. They picked twenty one, They picked

967
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: twenty one in every round.

968
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: Right, they never around, They don't trade, they don't move down,

969
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: they don't.

970
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: The comp game.

971
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: Game doesn't work for them.

972
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: They're very static.

973
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: Right, You're not going to have enough quality draft picks

974
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: to fix an offensive line of defensive line, and.

975
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Especially you keep missing on them. Yeah, Miles Murphy and

976
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: all these dudes, they keep draft on defense. Who's good?

977
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: Maybe one or two of them take a step forward,

978
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: they better hold Yeah, the thing, it's more than one

979
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: or two need to take a step forward. But none

980
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: of them are super promising at this point. Yeah. And

981
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: even the linebacker they took in the second round, I

982
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: thought that was like two rounds too high. Yeah, did

983
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 3: they need two linebackers? Maybe two linebackers, two guards? Five

984
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: I'm running back at the end. I mean the only

985
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: drafted four positions, right, I mean of course they only

986
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: made their picks, didn't trade a future pick for anything.

987
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it's it's a rough build, right

988
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: And again, what if T. Higgins as an ankle for

989
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: one week, you probably lose that game. Yeah, and you'll

990
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: see yeah. So but this Hendricks and stuff is real news.

991
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: It is very interesting, very interesting. We'll see it.

992
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: Sounds like the organizations ignored it. And he's like, hey,

993
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: I deserve at least to have a conversation. You can't

994
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 3: have a conversation with me. That's bad.

995
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: It's exactly what's not happening with t J.

996
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: Watt true true, right, Like this is not going to

997
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: be contented situation. Right.

998
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyways, that's going to do it for today's show.

999
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Speaker 2: So for my partner, schedule release tomorrow, schedule release tomorrow,

1000
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Speaker 2: can't wait an make day tomorrow night. We won't know

1001
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: the schedule yet. When we get when we show tomorrow,

1002
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: can mean so we'll have to talk about something else.

1003
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go over the opponent's a little bit got labs,

1004
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of a you we have Bob Labriola.

1005
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: But for my partner Matt Waite. No, actually we won't

1006
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: have labs tomorrk because he'll be busy. So for my

1007
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: partner Matt Williamson, we'll try this again and again and again.

1008
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Speaker 3: Do we get it right?

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, For Justin Miller here running the Justin Miller

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Speaker 2: Hotline and really had to go through a lot to

1011
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Speaker 2: get us. Michael McQuaid on the air today, to get

1012
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Speaker 2: somebody from another continent on the show. For Tyler viitt

1013
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Speaker 2: Meyer making sure that our video gets out there on

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