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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Bizarre and Lazar O.

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Speaker 1: Everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined has always here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Teams have not really brought the fight to Buffalo very often.

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Speaker 2: And a big part of what I'm seeing on film

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Speaker 2: Four guys drop off into coverage, keep everything in front

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Speaker 2: run stuff, screens Khalil Shakira brick and six tackles last

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Speaker 2: week and going up the sideline and all of this

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Speaker 2: Shakir with a couple of blockers and the corners are

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Speaker 2: way off the line of scrimmage and Shaquire's just running,

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Speaker 2: I'm usually patting myself on the back, but I kind

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Speaker 2: of nailed that, did I not? Kind of nailed it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, forty one percent man coverage. Stack the box,

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Speaker 2: don't let James cook beach. You don't be afraid of

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pat myself on the back a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that. All right, Hello, everybody, Sorry we're late. Sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 2: we're a few minutes late. My goodness. Gracious, it's like

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Speaker 2: a monsoon outside, and you would think that when it

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Speaker 2: rains a little bit, Alex, it's like the apocalypse to

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Speaker 2: people on the road. They do not know how to drive. Like, look,

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Speaker 2: there's one thing you have to worry about when it rains,

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Speaker 2: and that's hydro planting, okay, But other than that, like

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Speaker 2: It was a long morning. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm just proud of myself that it was not my fault.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't your fault. It was all me. And I

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Speaker 2: was so excited to come in here today and talk

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Speaker 2: then just to ruin my morning like that was horrible,

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Speaker 2: but nothing can really take the win out of my

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Speaker 2: sales completely after that win, Alex, just a great atmosphere,

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Speaker 2: great game, great postgame celebration. I know there was some

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Speaker 2: things on Patriots dot com where you got to see

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Speaker 2: the locker room celebration. Vrabel greeting all the players after

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Speaker 2: this party home. It was a good night in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots. I want to talk Drake May of

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Speaker 2: your overall impressions, Alex, of the Patriots taking this next

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Speaker 2: step and that was the team goal this week. That

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Speaker 2: But can you take that next step as a football

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Speaker 2: spoil their Sunday night party. What were your just overall

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess big picture and look, somebody who's been

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Speaker 1: that's not a knock on the coaching staff. They were

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Speaker 1: Do you doubt them being able to replicate any of

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Speaker 1: what they did, Evan, Now, can they do it? Do

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's two things that I want to payback

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Speaker 2: But for the last couple of years, we've heard repeatedly

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Speaker 2: And I thought that most of that was fair and true.

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Speaker 2: name any one of the players that's contributing now that

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Speaker 2: The talent on the roster suddenly looks a lot better now,

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Speaker 2: Is it all the way there? No? And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Let memetles question, let me just be clear to my

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Speaker 1: They have a ways to go, but you see the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I should say, it's the beginning of that vision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And as we segue into talking about Drake may

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Speaker 2: I think the most encouraging part is exactly what you

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Speaker 2: Drake May is throwing open guys and the numbers back

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Speaker 2: that up. He had one of the highest open window

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Speaker 2: to McDaniels in the coordination of the offense. There was

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Speaker 2: some of that was the level of competition as well,

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Speaker 2: and they were able to do that in this game.

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Speaker 2: Buffalo is the type of defense that, no, they're not

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Speaker 2: we're gonna out e secute you. Mostly Drake May and

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, but the whole group, We're just gonna go

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Speaker 2: right this all. Look at this, This was dressed up

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Speaker 2: so nicely by McDaniels, and look at this route pops

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Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. This was Drake May at

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Speaker 2: his absolute best. And as we segue into Drake, I

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Speaker 2: just this isn't This is not a humble brag. I've

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Speaker 2: watched every single start Drake May has made in college

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Speaker 2: the by far his Mona Lisa, like, this is the

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Speaker 2: best he has ever played at any level of football. Sure,

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Speaker 2: maybe he played like this in high school. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know so far as and hopefully that he tops.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I don't have I don't have the high

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Speaker 1: I mean it more like I would hope that you know,

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Speaker 2: This is this is his very good this was his

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Speaker 2: And I know the first half statistically wasn't as good,

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Speaker 2: they just kind of like missed on some miscommunications in

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Speaker 2: it and throwing it. Well, they just weren't necessarily on

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Speaker 2: But when you watch it on the tape, you can

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Speaker 2: concept on into completion to Digs where Diggs did sit,

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Speaker 2: same exact play they ran in the first half, and

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Speaker 2: they hit it in the second half. You know, they

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Speaker 2: But I didn't think that the game was bad per se,

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Speaker 2: it's just big throw after big throw after big throw.

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Speaker 2: an incredible pass. But just there was like four or five,

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Speaker 2: you know, to your point, like, is that sustainable? That's

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Speaker 2: not how you want to play every week? Is that

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Speaker 2: you're asking your quarterback to make these ridiculous off platform,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think you're going to have to play

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Speaker 2: that is big time stuff from Drake May, and it's

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Speaker 2: hard to not just be over the moon excited about

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Speaker 2: his trajectory overall. And then obviously what we saw individually

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Speaker 2: in this game. Was there anything else that stand out

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Speaker 1: I mean, you hit on a lot of it there.

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Speaker 1: I just think some of the things he didn't do

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Speaker 1: big one for me. This is a sneaky, huge play

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Speaker 1: They'd a lead, but they throw the ball on it.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately they recovered, but it was almost very costly. This

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Speaker 2: That it is it is. I put it down as

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get called fanboys and bobos for it.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're looking for this year. Didn't put the

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Speaker 1: I always go back to, maybe this is unfair to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like smart quarterbacks have to be able to

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Speaker 2: is just a nuts throw. Like I get everybody's like

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Speaker 2: but also just to standing there in the pocket and

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Speaker 2: kind of waiting and hoping to see that clutch, that

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Speaker 2: game winning drive from Drake May And now is that

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Speaker 2: that throw took some stones to fit that ball in there? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: good stuff in this game. Let's stick on offense. I

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Speaker 2: because I thought they were They were really good in

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden he has one hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: five against his former team. Just not to like throw

434
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Speaker 2: you know, stones, but remember in it was a twenty

435
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Speaker 2: three right, Yeah, twenty three Juju had a huge game

436
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and was like terrible the rest of the year.

437
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: Like that's one of those games where it's like, yeah,

438
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: year you got up to play.

439
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: Here four, Well that game was that was like week twelve.

440
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was back to back really good games from Giggs.

441
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: This game, though, in particular, was again like I said,

442
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: it was Drake May's Mondleiser. This was Stefanazaggs had a

443
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: lot of great games in his career. Yeah, this was

444
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: like watching him run routes in this game was poetry,

445
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: like he was just dancing out there.

446
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: Well, and I think the cool thing is a lot

447
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: of great receiver You look at the great receivers who

448
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: play into their thirties, and there's not a lot of them.

449
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: It's really hard to play receiver in your thirties. Just

450
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: the I can't say I've tried to do it, you know,

451
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: outside of backyard football. But like you look at the

452
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: history of wide receivers who are continually successful past the

453
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: edge of thirty, it's not a long list, especially recently,

454
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Speaker 1: but the guys who've done it, there's an element. And

455
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to completely say Diggs reinvented himself,

456
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Speaker 1: because I do think that this was a part of

457
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: his game throughout his career, but like he's not the

458
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: deep threat anymore, and his ability to get open into

459
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: the intermediate and create after the catch that isn't his

460
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: primary tool, and it kind of feels like it is

461
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: now and he's thriving on it. So that's really cool

462
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: to see that you mentioned, you know, this was one

463
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Speaker 1: of the best games of his career. This didn't look

464
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: like the big games he had in Buffalo. It's like

465
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: schematically it looks different, but he's winning another way, which

466
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: is awesome to see. And yeah, I thought he was

467
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: really good in this game. I do. I think it's

468
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Speaker 1: an outlier. I mean, I don't think he's gonna have

469
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards every week, right, but I

470
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: think he's at like he's a guy that's gonna keep

471
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: teams honest and he's a guy that's gonna dictate coverage.

472
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Speaker 1: You asked, do they have a number one wide receiver

473
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Speaker 1: in the short term? Yes, Now he's thirty one years old,

474
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Speaker 1: and I just kind of talked about how tough that is,

475
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Speaker 1: and I still think it's something we talk about as

476
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Speaker 1: a long term need when we get to the offseason.

477
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Speaker 1: But I mean, Tuesday morning, who after Drake May? Who

478
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Speaker 1: do you think the first player the Saints brought up

479
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Speaker 1: was in the meeting And.

480
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Speaker 2: It wasn't Christian Barmore and Milton Williams. He was tremendous.

481
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Speaker 2: I mean, he had sixty two yards after the catch. Yeah,

482
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: out of a you know, his one hundred and forty five.

483
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: I think it was forty six something like that. I

484
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna be that much of a

485
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: yack monster every single week. But what was so impressive?

486
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: But can he turn like the one with where May

487
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: flips it forwards where he is the defender hanging on him,

488
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: which is obviously an impressive throw with people losing track

489
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: of Diggs breaks the tackle and it turns a two

490
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: yard gain into a ten yard gain. The one on

491
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: the first play the game, he turns an eight yard

492
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Speaker 1: game into like thirteen fourteen yard gain. Can he do that?

493
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Speaker 1: It doesn't all have to be that one in the

494
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter where he breaks like three tackles and goes

495
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: for whatever it was forty yards something like that. Yeah,

496
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that. But the four to

497
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Speaker 1: five yards per catch you're finding that wouldn't otherwise be there.

498
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Speaker 1: Can he continue to do that? Which I think he can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And the last thing I just

500
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Speaker 2: wanted to mention about Diggs. I talked about this last week.

501
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: The Panthers did not have j C. Horn travel with

502
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: him in the Week four, and he won the matchup.

503
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Speaker 2: Every time Mike in their second corner was lined up

504
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Speaker 2: across from Stefan Digs, he torched him. Like all the

505
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: big plays that he had in that game were against

506
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Speaker 2: Mike Jackson. Then you fast forward to this week and

507
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: Tredavius White is on him a couple of times and

508
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: Christian Benford did not travel with Stefan Diggs, and Stefan

509
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: Diggs hit a thirty two yarder. I believe it was

510
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: White who was the primary coverage defender. I know that's

511
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: off script, like that was a broken play, but the

512
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Speaker 2: thirty yarder that he hit in the fourth quarter that

513
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Speaker 2: you mentioned is from inside the slot where he gets

514
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Speaker 2: matched up on his safety and he burns the safety

515
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Speaker 2: after the catch with the breaking you know, Cole Bishop's

516
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: tackle and going down the field. So what I'm trying

517
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: to get at is is like if you don't come

518
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: into these games now as the opponent and say we

519
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: need to put our number one corner on Stefan Diggs,

520
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: He's going to beat everybody else he put across from. Like,

521
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: so if you're the Saints, if you're the Browns, like

522
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: with Denzel Ward, like you have to start thinking we

523
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: have to put our number one corner on Diggs. And

524
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: when we talk about like coverage, dictating receivers and game

525
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: plan players, like that's the whole point. And now all

526
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, maybe there's less attention on Hunter Henry,

527
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Speaker 2: or there's less attention on the other receivers like Hollins

528
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: or Booty or Pop Douglas or Kyle Williams. Maybe there's

529
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Speaker 2: less attention on the run game, which we'll get to

530
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Speaker 2: in the bads. Right, Like, if you have to do

531
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Speaker 2: all these things, if you have to put safety help,

532
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: if you have to put your number one corner. That's

533
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Speaker 2: the hierarchy of the offense that we've been talking about

534
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years that they haven't had because

535
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: they haven't had a Stefan Diggs. So even if the

536
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: production for Digs isn't the same every single week, if

537
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: teams have to now come in and respect that the

538
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: Diggs is still in his prime and still very capable

539
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Speaker 2: of having one hundred and fifty yards on ten catches,

540
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Speaker 2: then it just kind of changes how your defenses defend

541
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Speaker 2: you offensively, which can be just as important as him

542
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: catching ten passes in a game. So it's all of it,

543
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: you know, put together that has really made this passing

544
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: game one of the most efficient passing games in the

545
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: league through five weeks. And I kept hearing people saying, well,

546
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Speaker 2: look at the level of competition in the opening month,

547
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: like let's pump the brakes. Well, now when you do

548
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: it against Buffalo, who had a top ten pass defense

549
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL by Dvoa coming into this game, Like

550
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: how many more weeks do we have to wait before

551
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: it's enough of a sample size to say that the

552
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: Patriots can throw the ball? Like, because we're five weeks

553
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: into the season now where they have played a good

554
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: pass defense, and they still were able to move the

555
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: ball through the air in the second half pretty much

556
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: at will. I mean he had one incompletion in the

557
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: entire second half of the game, thirteen for fourteen, one

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty four yards. So we goshed a lot

559
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: about the offense. Let's gush a little bit about the

560
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: little more about the offense. Of course on this show.

561
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 2: Of course you can.

562
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: Well you were posting about it on Twitter. Yeah, and

563
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: talk about the line. We'll talk about it. Oh so

564
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: you weren't as high on the line as other people.

565
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: No, I we can talk about it now.

566
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Speaker 1: Were you going to talk about it in the bads? No?

567
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: No, I mean obviously the run game needs work.

568
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: So I all right, let me rephrase that. Can we

569
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: talk about pass protection?

570
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Pass protection was good? Now, I thought that the pass

571
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: protection rate, you know, the pressure rate, excuse me, was

572
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: a little.

573
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Speaker 1: Bit deceiving in this game. Yeah, Drake made left. He

574
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: ran himself in pressure a couple of times, a.

575
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Speaker 2: Couple of times, especially in the first half, but in general,

576
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: he as soon as he saw Blitz he was out

577
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 2: of dodge. And this kind of goes back to not

578
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: to like totally change the subject and make it back

579
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: a Drake thing again. This is something that that I

580
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: think we all need to come to terms with with

581
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: the style of quarterbacks in today's NFL. The old like

582
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: sort of adage about beating the blitz is you replace

583
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: the ball the blitz with the ball right. If you

584
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: get a linebacker blitz, then you throw it over the middle,

585
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: right where the guy blitz from. If you get a

586
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: corner blitz, you throw it right at the open space

587
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: on the outside. Like that's the whole mantra or the

588
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: coaching point that from twenty five years ago, when you

589
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: know Brady started and Drew Brees started, and Peyton started,

590
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: and all those guys started playing football. These guys don't

591
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: play that way. They are athletes, they're mobile, they have

592
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: exceptional arm talent outside the pocket. So when Drake may

593
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: sees a free runner coming or he sees a blitzer

594
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: coming and he feels like his running back is losing

595
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: in pass protection, these guys are not standing in there

596
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: and staring down the barrel and making five yard passes

597
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: behind the blitz anymore. Go watch Mahomes, Go watch Allen,

598
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: Go watch Lamar Jackson. Like those guys. These guys are

599
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: getting out of dodge, right, that's just the way that

600
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: they play.

601
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Speaker 1: Let me ask something, is Matthew Stafford the last true

602
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: like statue esque pocket quarterback, last great one? Anyways?

603
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: It may probably a last great one. Yeah, I mean

604
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Stafford early on in his career could move a little bit.

605
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: But yeah no, but like there's and there's still some

606
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: guys that do it. But it's just see the last

607
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be dominant playing that way.

608
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just not that league anymore. Like they don't

609
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: play that way. And you can say that the old

610
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: way is better than the new way, and you might

611
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: be right, like you might you might have a point, but.

612
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Speaker 1: Well, the roles make it more advantageous to play the

613
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: other way.

614
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: These guys are going to when they sy blitz especially

615
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: you know there was one in particular where they ran

616
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: a coffeehouse stunt right where the guy kind of fakes

617
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: like he's going to drop into coverage, sells it and

618
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: then blitzes and they got him. The Patriots is like

619
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Speaker 2: the parting of the Red Seas, Like the whole middle

620
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: of the line opened up. I think Errett Bradbury was

621
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: supposed to have him, and he got fooled by it.

622
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Speaker 2: And there's a free runner, you know, coming right at

623
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Drake May and he probably could have stood in there

624
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: and hit the slant the pop Douglas behind it, but

625
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: instead he rolled out to his right and bought himself

626
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: time and hit digs along the sideline for like a

627
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: ten yard game. The old quarterback coaches would say, stand

628
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: in the pocket, stare down the barrel, and hit the

629
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: slant right like that's like what that's what they would

630
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: want you to do. But these guys don't play that way.

631
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 2: It's just not their playing style. So could you say again, like,

632
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's right or wrong to think that

633
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: they should be standing in the pocket and making those throws.

634
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: I just don't think we should hold it against Brake

635
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: made that he doesn't because it's just not really innately.

636
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: It's just not his instincts, right, It's just not how

637
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: he's wired, and it's not how he plays. I thought

638
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: the line and pass protection was mostly good. I did

639
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: think Buffalo did generate some pressure with their blitzes in

640
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: the second half of this game, but I thought it

641
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: was mostly good. And Will Campbell at this point is

642
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 2: at least, if we're being conservative, an average pass blocking

643
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: left tackle. Yeah, and he's trending toward above average pass

644
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: blocking tackle. And given the narratives, given the conversations, the limitations, YadA, YadA, YadA.

645
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: If you told me that he was going to be

646
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: like the twentieth best tackle and pass protection in the

647
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: league his rookie year, and that's both sides, I would

648
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: have definitely taken that. That's both sides, right, not just

649
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, like twentieth best tackle out of

650
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: like seventy qualified tackles. Then that's right about now where

651
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: he is in pass blocking efficiency. I don't know how

652
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: you could be disappointed.

653
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: By that starting caliber left tackle. Those are not easy

654
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: to find.

655
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they definitely seem like they found their guy

656
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: in that respect, the run blocking and left tackle specifically, No,

657
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: because I don't think PFF makes it too easy to

658
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: fill filter out the right and left tackles. So I

659
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: could look at it and try to eyeball it in

660
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: a second, But that's that's right where he's at right now.

661
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: He's like twenty second or something like that out of

662
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: like seventy two qualified tackles, seventy qualified tackles. And pass

663
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: blocking efficiency, so he hasn't given up a Saxon's Week one,

664
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: he is.

665
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: That's the Sewell's a right tackle. Yeah, Bull's place on

666
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: the left side, right, Yeah, all right, Bulls, Colton Miller,

667
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Joel to right tackle, Jawan Taylor.

668
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: Well, Joe was playing left, but yeah.

669
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Why was he?

670
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: Oh?

671
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Because later I heard that's right Now he's Jawan Taylor,

672
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Darnell right lane, Johnson is right, Deon Dawkins Tunsel shout out,

673
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: Germaine Luminor ninth overall my all tackles playing right, playing right, ye,

674
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: ninth over It's impressive. Titus Howard, Patrick, Paul Roger Rosengarten,

675
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, Anton Harrison, Morgan, Moses, Charles Cross, Brainsmith, Mike

676
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: and Glinchy, Colt mckivitz, Will Campbell. I guess I should

677
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: have been counting how many right tackles were in there.

678
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: I would say we're probably at like the tenth or

679
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: eleventh best left tackle.

680
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, fringe top ten left tackles rookie. Yeah, it's I mean,

681
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: a long way to go, Like I don't want to

682
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: take the full victory lap right now because watch it'll

683
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: suck this week. But I know it looks very promising,

684
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: is the point. It's, uh, he doesn't look out of place.

685
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: There were people who thought he's gonna look out of

686
00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: place right away, and.

687
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't look out of place. And even for the

688
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: most part, like his losses, he's not getting blown by

689
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: and his losses, and he's giving Drake May at least

690
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: chances to step up or move the in the pocket.

691
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: And then you know the last thing on Campbell, I

692
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: just there are some flashes in the run game where

693
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: he's just doing things that are just not really normal.

694
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Once or twice a week that he's just leveling a

695
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: guy ten yards downfield.

696
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the five yard run by Remandre that

697
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: put them like into comfortable field goal range, because nowadays

698
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: a fifty two yarder is comfortable field goal range. And

699
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: the way he hit that, Jared Wilson whiffs on the

700
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: double team, completely falls on his face on the double team,

701
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: and Will Campbell just blocks the guy himself, but he

702
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: just takes the guy. He runs his feet and he

703
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: just moves the defensive tackle out of the gap and

704
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: opens the gap and opens the door for Demandra Stevenson

705
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: to get through the line of scrimmage. That is a

706
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: play that when you watch it, you know when Wilson

707
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: gets over extended, and we'll talk about that in a

708
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: little bit, when he gets over extended and he gets

709
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: kind of beat on the double team, like that should

710
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: be a stuff that should be stopped in the line

711
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. But Campbell just takes the guy and just

712
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: walks him out. And it's just like you look at

713
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: these the playing strength and the power that he can

714
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: generate is really impressive. Let's talk about the defense. We

715
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: can talk a little bit more about the offensive line

716
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: here in a bit. Defensively, I think the number one

717
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me from this game on

718
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: the positive side, and then I'll gloat a little bit

719
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: about the man coverage was the run defense. The run

720
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: defense was terrific in this game. Buffalo came into this

721
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: game number one in the league in rush EPA. I

722
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: think they were number two in success right like they

723
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: were the best run offense in the NFL through the

724
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: first four weeks of the season. The Patriots hel James

725
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Cook to three point three yards per carry. His highest

726
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: or longest run was nine yards. In this game, they

727
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: shut down Buffalo's run game completely and they really took

728
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: that out of their arsenal, and that was extremely impressive

729
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: to see. A lot of guys were a part of that,

730
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: even like I know that they got the two you know,

731
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: boneheaded penalties at the end of the game, but even

732
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: like Corey Dirtin and Joshua Farmer were giving them good

733
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: snaps on first and second down in the run defense,

734
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: they were very stout. They have been playing the run

735
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: differently than the way Belichick played the run in those defenses,

736
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: which we can talk about, which I think is kind

737
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: of unique and kind of cool for me because when

738
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: I watch the tape, it's very different, and like learning

739
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: the differences between the two styles of run fits and

740
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: things like that have been interesting. But they we came

741
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: into this game saying that they had to stop James Cook,

742
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: that that was just as big of a deal as

743
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: stopping josh Allen, and they came in and they completely

744
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: took James Cook out of the game.

745
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the front's been just dominant, just just unbelievably dominant.

746
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: And you're I talked about earlier, Milton Williams Christian Barmore,

747
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: the way those two guys are playing off of each other,

748
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: it is a significant development. Forcing teams to choose Kiris

749
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Tonga has been.

750
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: I should have mentioned him.

751
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been excellent. And then yeah, you're starting to

752
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: see some of these depth guys step up and make

753
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: some plays as well. So against the run and the past,

754
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: they they've been they've been excellent.

755
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the one, the schematic thing I wanted to

756
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: talk about. I'm going to try to explain this and

757
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: hopefully everybody can follow. So in the old system, the

758
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: Patriots were very disciplined in their run defense, and they

759
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: would set the edge of the defense, so they would

760
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: play they would have their edge defenders play the outside

761
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: shoulder of the tackles, and they would want to set

762
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: the edge of the defense with their edge defenders and.

763
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Force the Collsworth kept talking about them crashing in.

764
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and force the ball back inside. So the old

765
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: defense wanted to force the ball inside. They wanted to

766
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: force it to you know, back in the day, it

767
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: was Vince Wilfork and it was you know, Dante high Tower.

768
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, Alan Branch said it recently got.

769
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Just yeah sure, Alan player.

770
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for like one year are talking about jacket.

771
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: You're asking who's in that role. Alan Branch was in

772
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: that role and he played it.

773
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Well, so disrespect I'm not disrespecting Alan Branch. I'm not

774
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: trying to get bogged down on Alan h Then. You know,

775
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: even recently, like they've had really like good run defenses,

776
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: even at the end of the Belichick tenure, when everything

777
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: else was falling apart, they were still able to stop

778
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: the run. But they always had these big backers, you know,

779
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: Juwan Bentley types in the middle of the defense, and

780
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: that was what they wanted to funnel the ball to.

781
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: Now they actually want the ball to bounce. They want

782
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: to force the guys to the outside. They're doing what's

783
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: called spilling, which is when they take the inside gaps.

784
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: The edges are now playing the inside shoulder of the

785
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: tackles and they're playing inside to the b gap and

786
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: they're trying to get the middle clogged up and then

787
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: forcing the ball outside and then they're just gonna chase

788
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: it down when it gets outside. So there are going

789
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 2: to be times. There was a time in this game,

790
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: two instances in this game where it looks like they're

791
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: giving up the edge, Like it looks like Harold Landry

792
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: is going inside trying to shoot the gap and he's

793
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: giving up the edge but they have what's called a

794
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: force defender, whose responsibility it is is to set the

795
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: edge of the defense. Usually that's like a defensive back

796
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: or the nickel corner. Sometimes if they're wrapping, it's a linebacker.

797
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: But the point is is that they want the interior

798
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: guys to shoot the gaps. They want the guys on

799
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage to slant inside, shoot the gaps inside.

800
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: And what you're seeing is that right now, the Patriots

801
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: are leading the NFL and negative play rate against the run.

802
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: They have the highest percentage of plays for negative yards

803
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: in the run game in the NFL. Because they are

804
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: shooting gaps and because they are making plays on the

805
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: other side of the line of scrimmage. It's really it's

806
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: kind of like it breaks your ba a little bit

807
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: because you're watching and there are times where Landry is

808
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: just vacating the edge and you're like, where's he going? Right,

809
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: And James Cook bounced a few times in this game successfully,

810
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: but even when he did, it was for like six yards, right,

811
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: Like they were able to swarm and get to the

812
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: football and establish that force defender, at least in theory. Now.

813
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: The one thing I would say that is a little bit.

814
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: You know why Belichick probably didn't like playing this style

815
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: of defense is that it puts your corners, especially your

816
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: nickel corner, your slot corner, and the safeties at the

817
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: point of attack, which is a really hard assignment for

818
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys. So that's the downside of

819
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: this is that, you know, a couple of times it

820
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: was like Craig Woodson, a couple other times it's Marcus Jones.

821
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Like now, putting those guys at the point of attack

822
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: can be difficult, but that's really the mechanics of their

823
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: run defense has completely changed, where now everything is about

824
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: taking the inside gaps, getting up the field, and not

825
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: necessarily as a dead set on setting the edge of

826
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: the defense, which I think is interesting and has been

827
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: really productive and effective for them over the last couple

828
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: of year weeks. But it's funny like watching it and

829
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: being like, well, they blew the edge, right, but it's

830
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: not actually blowing the edge in principle. The other thing

831
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: that I wanted to bring up with the defense was

832
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: the man coverage. You know, forty one per man coverage down.

833
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: The numbers are not other worldly. It's not like they

834
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: held Josh Allen down necessarily in man coverage, he was

835
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: still pretty effective. I think he was like ten for

836
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: fourteen for one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy yards

837
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: against man coverage. So it's still really good production for

838
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: the Bills offense in man coverage. But I'm gonna go

839
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: on your side of the street for a second with

840
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: this a little bit olex Like this is kind of

841
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: a mindset thing to me, like where it's like, we

842
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: have better corners than you receivers, right, Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir,

843
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: nice players, But what we're going to come out and

844
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: we're going to play man to man coverage and we're

845
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: going to challenge these guys to beat us in man

846
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: to man. Now, we'll get to the bads with Dalton

847
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: Kinkaid here in a second. But for the most part,

848
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: you know, Marcus Jones gave up two catches to Shakir,

849
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: but he also had to pick and coverage on Shakir

850
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: and then Keon Coleman, who I still continue to think

851
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: is limited as a receiver basically to one a one

852
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: trick pony with the jump balls, really did not do

853
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: much in this game outside of that one third down

854
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: catch on Carlton Davis in the fourth quarter. So the

855
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: mindset of we're going to challenge, we're going to play

856
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: man coverage, I think is really good from a confidence

857
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: standpoint and just from a whole like kind of culture standpoint.

858
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: And then I also thought in this game, what they

859
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: were able to do is they were able to get

860
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Josh Allen to be a little bit indecisive. I thought

861
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: he was holding the ball. I thought he was scanning

862
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: a lot looking for open receivers extend plays, and then

863
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: holding and holding and looking around trying to find outlets,

864
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: and they kind of got him off his game a

865
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: little bit. Now, he was still really good, like, don't

866
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: get me wrong, he was still a net positive in

867
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: this game, but he was also not superman like. He

868
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: was not what we normally see from Josh Allen when

869
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: he's on his game. So whatever, you know, the man coverage,

870
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: taking away the run game, I think those two things

871
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: together kind of got this Bill's offense off its game

872
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: a little bit. And the turnovers and the penalties I

873
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: think were a byproduct of that in a lot of ways.

874
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: So you can say that Bill's off and shoot them

875
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: shot themselves in the foot. They did, especially early on

876
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: in this game. The first quarter was a flagfest for

877
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: them offensively, and that hurt them, but it was good

878
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: to see them come out. And I thought he looked

879
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: a little bit rattled honestly in this game at times,

880
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: especially late, which was good.

881
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's evidence of it. He starts yelling at

882
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings at the end of the game.

883
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

884
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Let me I think Josh Allen little bit of a

885
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: sore loser.

886
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Oh you just hate him?

887
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: Well, he's one, hang on, hang on. This is why

888
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I paused. I don't know that that's a bad thing

889
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: for a quarterback.

890
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady was.

891
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and but like everybody, oh Josh, he's such

892
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: a nice guy and he's such a no, he's kind

893
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: of an a hole, and you get to now, you

894
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: don't see it a lot because objectively, he's not losing

895
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: a lot of games right now. But I think they

896
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: got under his skin. And because he's not in that

897
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: spot that often and he's still younger, Like Brady learned

898
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: to hone that later in his career and didn't even

899
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: when he got frustrated, he didn't let it impact him.

900
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: But like, like, he wasn't in that spot a lot,

901
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: and I think he kind of had to learn that thing,

902
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: like most quarterbacks do. I think Josh Allen got. I

903
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: think they kind of pissed him off that he couldn't

904
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: do what he wanted to do. The plays he wanted

905
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: to make that are usually there aren't there. He couldn't

906
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: run around as much. He started forcing running around a

907
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: little bit late in that game, and you saw it.

908
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: His emotions came out a little bit, which doesn't usually

909
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: happen with him. He got a little pissed off. And

910
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: so again I'm not knocking him for being the sore loser.

911
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: I think you want your quarterback to be a little

912
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: bit of an ale at times. But they and now

913
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with that in the flip

914
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: side when he comes back up here in December, like

915
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a hair cross his ass. Yeah for you,

916
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: and he's you're gonna get his best punch because he

917
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: didn't get his best punch on that was not his

918
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: best Punchich apparently was me knocking him for saying that,

919
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Like we had a whole thing at halftime. I was

920
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: very confused by that. I meant to ask you about that,

921
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: but they very clearly got to him mentally, and it

922
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: showed a little bit and he was more than a

923
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: little bit.

924
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want to take like the numbers that

925
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: he had were still really good. Like it's not like

926
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: he played awful in this game, but he just didn't.

927
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: He started making bad decisions in the clutch. And they

928
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: want terrible decisions. Let me afraid what they weren't bad

929
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: at And he's was not making the right decision regularly

930
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: down the stretch. And that's a mental thing because he's

931
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: been a lot better about that as of late, and

932
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: he's always been. He was doing that against the Patriots

933
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: before he was doing it against anybody else. So yeah,

934
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: I like, No, I think they rattled him, and I

935
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: think it was more in a little bit, and I

936
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: think they raled them. I just want to clear this up.

937
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: So we were texting at halftime, if you don't mind me

938
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: doing this on the air.

939
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: No, And because I'm sure I was right, Well, we

940
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: were kind of.

941
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Talking about the game. I mean you were and you weren't.

942
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what I said.

943
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: You basically said, I'll go back and find it. You

944
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: basically said, like that's the worst half of offense. The

945
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: Bills have played ever or.

946
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: Not not ever, but like this year definitely.

947
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: And I just kind of said, like, I, I don't know,

948
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: they were fine. You said, no, no, no, You said I

949
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: didn't feel good about second half. You said I didn't

950
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: feel good about.

951
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: Second I didn't feel good about it.

952
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: They didn't score at the end of the first half,

953
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: and that scored the touchdown, and that worried me. And

954
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: you said the Bills played about as bad as they

955
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: could offensively in the first half, and I said, that's true.

956
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: I said, the Patriots defense made some plays. And you

957
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: took that as the slight of Josh Allen, which me saying, no,

958
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: he's actually not playing that bad. I actually think the

959
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Patriots are kind of having some siller. He really was

960
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: knocking Josh Allen.

961
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand that because I felt like they really

962
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: did not play well in the first half.

963
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Offense, we're fine, They've played worse.

964
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: I don't know. The first quarter they had like five

965
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: or six penalties against them on offense, and then they

966
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: turned the ball over twice. I think if.

967
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: You want to talk about the turnovers, they they yeah,

968
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: they the turnovers were uncharacteristic to them, but.

969
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: They hadn't lost the turnover batt on twenty five straight.

970
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: He still he was still like making some throws and yeah,

971
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: but he always makes it, so yeah, it was uncharacteristic.

972
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it was as bad as they could play.

973
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: It was. That's as bad as they could play in

974
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: the first half. The second half, I thought that.

975
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots defense was part I'm not saying

976
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: that the defense isn't part of it. So okay, I

977
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: took that comment to mean, like, the Patriots defense has

978
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this the no, no.

979
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: But the Bills definitely were off their game.

980
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: They were off their game. I think calling it as

981
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: bad as they me saying it's not as bad as

982
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: they could play, I don't think is a knock on

983
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen.

984
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

985
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: The other thing that Josh Allen's the only what I

986
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: should have said, Josh Allen is the only one who's

987
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: playing well. None of he was getting That's what Bills

988
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: fans think every game is. Was Josh Allen doing everything

989
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: one on eleven, him getting no help. That's kind of

990
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: what the first half of that game was actually.

991
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: Okay, So the last thing here on Josh Allen and

992
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: then we'll move on. I watching him over the years,

993
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: and you know, watching as much of him as we

994
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: have as Patriots fans. When he gets in, everybody's terrified

995
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: of letting him get into playground mode, right, Like no

996
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: one wants to play him off script. But I'm telling you,

997
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: when he gets like that, he's worse. He's a worse quarterback.

998
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: Like when he's playing in structure and on time and

999
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: in rhythm, he is unbeatable.

1000
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Now he is a new development, yes.

1001
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: Like in the last two or three years, last two years, Okay, sure, whatever,

1002
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: But the point is is, like I say, coming into

1003
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: this game, that all these teams are playing soft zone

1004
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: coverage and they're backing off and they're trying to keep

1005
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: them in the pocket, and they're playing that whole game

1006
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: like march on us right might go yeah, ten, twelve, thirteen,

1007
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: fourteen plays, and this Bill's offense is just said okay,

1008
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: Like they've just said, okay, we'll turn around and we'll

1009
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: hand the ball off to James Cook, we'll throw the

1010
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: ball out in the flat to Khalil Shakir, we'll use

1011
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid, like they've been more than happy to just

1012
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: matriculate the ball down the field, and they don't make

1013
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: mistakes like they used to. Now they did in this game,

1014
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: but they didn't for the first four weeks of the season.

1015
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: They didn't at all last year. They don't. Alan doesn't

1016
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: make mental mistakes anymore in structure. He's not missing throws

1017
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: like he used to from like an accuracy standpoint in

1018
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: structure anymore. And to me, like, all you're doing by

1019
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: playing that style is you're allowing him to play within

1020
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: himself and not start to try to be a hero.

1021
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: And whenever I watch him, I really do think that

1022
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: the way to beat him is to get him to

1023
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: be reckless, like get him to start running around, get

1024
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: him to start throwing all these off platform throws and

1025
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: trying to create out of structure and trying to do

1026
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: all this different stuff, because he makes more mistakes that way.

1027
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's probably gonna land some punches playing that way,

1028
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: whether it's with his legs or with his arm, But

1029
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: you also are going to land some punches, like you're

1030
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: also going to force turnovers. You also are going to

1031
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: get third down stops to keep them to a field

1032
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: goal late in the game. They when you just let

1033
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: him sit there in the pocket and make throws and

1034
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: you're just watching him, you know, as a defensive line

1035
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: you're just staring at him make throws because you're so

1036
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: petrified of him getting out of the pocket. He has

1037
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: evolved like he is more than capable of playing that way,

1038
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: and so I think you can't play him like that anymore.

1039
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I also think this is where you get some of

1040
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: the disconnect in the narrative of Josh Allen in the

1041
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: way he's talked about versus what he actually does. I think,

1042
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying teams directly are like this, but

1043
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: I think this is kind of why he's viewed the

1044
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: way he is around the league. You watch the highlights

1045
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 1: and you see him make two or three of those

1046
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable off structure plays per game. You think like, wow,

1047
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: like he's doing this every because he's good at that. Yeah,

1048
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, he's doing this every week, and like,

1049
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: you can't let this guy get out of structure. I

1050
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: see these plays every week. But then when you cause

1051
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: you're you know, people are watching on red Zone, are

1052
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: watching their own team, whatever, they're looking on Twitter, when

1053
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: you actually watch him play a full game, yeah, he

1054
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: makes two or three of those plays. But you also

1055
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: see how many misses there are in there, and I

1056
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: think teams get so freaked out by the two or

1057
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: three plays he does make, because he does make. What

1058
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: were he had two in this one. I'm trying to

1059
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: remember what they were not The one on the first

1060
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: drive was a nice play by him. Nobody gave Dalton

1061
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Can gave credit for that catch. That was a nice catch,

1062
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: but he did, though there was one I did. I

1063
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: texted you right away, what a catch by Dalton can get?

1064
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: It was good catch. No one's talking about.

1065
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see one person talk about what a cat

1066
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: not on the broadcast.

1067
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: Nobody will get the King kid.

1068
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: He was good. You can probably remember better than me.

1069
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: But there were two or three players where I's like, yeah,

1070
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: all right, Josh Allen, whatever. But the one like the

1071
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: one a keyon Coleman in the back of the end

1072
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: zone and that it's like the way to play him

1073
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: is you live with the two or three right and

1074
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: you because people don't realize how many of those plays

1075
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: he tries to make him dozen't and he still makes

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00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: them at a higher rate than most. So it's not

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00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: me saying he shouldn't do it. It's not a criticism,

1078
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: even though you want to make it one. But it's

1079
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: like that's kind of the way you play him now

1080
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: is yeah, he's gonna get his but we'll take the

1081
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: five or six incompletions on the reckless plays that come

1082
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 1: with it, rather than let him sit in the pocket.

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I think that's exactly what they did.

1084
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: I think that was the game plan, like to rush

1085
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: te off. They did use some spies and like low

1086
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: zones and stuff like that to spy him a little bit,

1087
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: but they did not hold back the pash like this

1088
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: wasn't a mushrush, contain them in the pocket, just watch

1089
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: them throw type of game plan. This was, you know,

1090
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: let's get after him a little bit, and it worked,

1091
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, over forty percent pressure rate. It definitely worked

1092
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: and had an impact in this game. The last good Obviously,

1093
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time on the goods this

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00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: week for right rightfully, so I want to give some

1095
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: kudos to your specialists over there, Barthy.

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00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: There have three especially player the week in a row.

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: Borgallis drills it Andy Andy in the postgame locker room

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00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: with the chance drills a fifty two yarder and Sneaky

1099
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: Big play in this game, Bryce Bearinger hit a seventy

1100
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: two yard punt that flipped the entire field in the

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00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: Patriots favor and made the Bills go on a long

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00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: drive and they ended up stalling out and kicking a

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Speaker 2: field goal. I believe on that drive that was a

1104
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: really important punt that I don't think Israeli getting talked

1105
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: about because of all the great things Drake made it

1106
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: in this game, But any two yard pint in that

1107
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: spot was really really important. So both specialists coming through a.

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Speaker 1: Couple things with a nerd out here a ton we

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: got very minor Patriots breaking news, well major to some. Okay,

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00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: all white uniforms this Sunday.

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00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: I did it. Yeah, I knew that. You knew that.

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00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: We didn't announce it, they just announced it. They've never

1113
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: worn white pants with these jerseys, so that's new. Yeah,

1114
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: first time thing.

1115
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: I believe it's the first time that they've done that

1116
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 2: white out since twenty seventeen.

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00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: So not even the silver pants, not the blue, not

1118
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: the blue pants. The other thing. So you want to

1119
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: talk about underrated special teams plays in this game? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this this goes back kind of like I talked

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00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: about Drake may earlier right and taking the zero yard sack.

1122
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: Andy Borgollis hits the fifty two yard or kick the

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Speaker 1: crap out of it. Awesome kick, deserves a ton of praise.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget he so remember in Miami again. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go back to the Miami game and this is

1126
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: lessons learned. And they ultimately won the Miami game, but

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00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: it's lessons learned. He hits that hits that hu huge

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Speaker 1: fifty three yarder after missing a couple of kicks, and

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00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: then what does he do? He puts the kickoff short.

1130
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: They try the dirty kick. It's a bad time to

1131
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: do it. He puts the kickoff short to give Miami

1132
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: a short field. It really could have cost him. It didn't,

1133
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: but it really could have. What happens this time, hits

1134
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: the fifty two yard and what does he do? Perfect

1135
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: kickoff right between the one and two yard line. You

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00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: can't place it any better than that. It requires a

1137
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: long runoff. It takes seven seconds off the clock. That

1138
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: costs the Bills an entire play. They probably could have

1139
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: run two plays at the end of that game. If

1140
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: it's a you know, a less impressive kickoff and the goal,

1141
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: and then they only draw the hold or they also

1142
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: draw the hold, so it backs them up even more

1143
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: So Jeremy Springer for not going I hate. I'm not

1144
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: anti the new kickoff rules. I like them. I know

1145
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: him the minority on that. I hate the dirty kick

1146
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: in that situation. It's cost too many teams this year.

1147
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Teams need to stop doing it. I love that they

1148
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: didn't do it in that situation. So credit to Jeremy

1149
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: Springer for making the adjustment. Credit to Andy Borgallis for

1150
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: hitting the big kick coming back in excellent kickoff. Excellent, excellent,

1151
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: excellent kickoff. Cannot stress that enough. And then the coverage

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00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: team not only tackling him when they did, but drawing

1153
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: the hold and backing them up. That kickoff was a

1154
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: significant play. And like it happened right after the field goal,

1155
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: don't lose track of that kickoff. That was a major

1156
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: play for them. So and it was something that they sorry,

1157
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: something that they watched three weeks ago. Yeah, and boom,

1158
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: turn around and fixed it. So I just really.

1159
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 2: Quickly on the punt, I short changed in my yard.

1160
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: It was seventy three yard punt. So the Patriots ended

1161
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: that fifty three at the net. Yeah, that ended that

1162
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: drive before on the Vederian low fall start, which ouch

1163
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: at their own twenty seven yard line, Barringer booms it

1164
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 2: seventy three yards and gets them to the Buffalo twenty

1165
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: and that was the drive that the Bills kicked the

1166
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: field goal to tie the game. They stall out on

1167
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: that drive if that pint doesn't go seventy three yards,

1168
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: and let's say the Bills start at the Patriots forty

1169
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: yard line instead their own forty yard line, excuse me,

1170
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: instead of their twenty yard line, Like, maybe that drive

1171
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: doesn't stall out, and it's a touchdown on that drive

1172
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: and they take a lead, and then the Patriots have

1173
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: to score a touchdown at the end of the game

1174
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: to win it. So it just was a really big

1175
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Speaker 2: swing in this game. Both specialists were really, really good

1176
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Speaker 2: in this game. I thought they deserved to be on

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Speaker 2: the goods. I really think that it's been a strength

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: of the team overall. Now there's been some penalties on

1179
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Speaker 2: special teams early on in the season. They have seemed

1180
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Speaker 2: to clean that up a little bit as the season

1181
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 2: goes on, and now that unit has become a real

1182
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: strength of the team. All Right, we gotta get to

1183
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1184
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Speaker 1: forty nine days. There is a football game on to

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Speaker 1: watch every day between now and the day before Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 1: We got Missouri State and Middle Tennessee and Liberty and

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Speaker 1: UTEP tonight shut out Pop Douglas. That's right, Pop Douglas.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Patriots have anybody from any of those

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Speaker 1: other school. But and then obviously Thursday night football Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: night and we're off and rolling.

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Speaker 4: So it is.

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Speaker 1: This is what I call peak football season.

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Speaker 2: We're in it.

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Speaker 1: It's every single day, and we're gonna get our first

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Speaker 1: sports Equinox soon too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I guess we got a coup more wins the NBA's

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Speaker 1: last week in October.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got Celtics there, like the twenty second

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Speaker 2: I want to say, I am We're probably gonna watch

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Speaker 2: and hopefully they are better than I expect. That's all

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say about the Bruins. I was also very disappointed. Well,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll get back on top.

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Speaker 1: I will say, real quick, Bruins former player who coached

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Speaker 1: elsewhere and then came back to coach the team. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of in right now. It's kind of the thing

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Speaker 1: in the city.

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Speaker 2: So okay, I'll give it a two second Bruins take. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they should be pretty good defensively like McAvoy, Lynn Holme

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Speaker 2: zador Off and if Swimming gets his head out of

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Speaker 2: his butt, then they should be able to keep the

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Speaker 2: puck out of the net.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think we are going to see a lot of

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Speaker 2: one nothing into one overtime games is what I think

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Speaker 2: we're gonna see, so but that you can win a

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Speaker 2: lot of games that way. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like there's a number of and the

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Speaker 1: Bruins are maybe a little further behind where the Patriots are,

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Speaker 1: but I do feel like there's a lot of parallels

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Speaker 1: talking about this Patriots team going into the season and

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Speaker 1: talking about this Bruins team did what was the number

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Speaker 1: one take all off season with the Patriots, how how

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Speaker 1: are they going to be? What are they gonna do?

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Speaker 1: It all comes down to what quarterback. I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel the same way about the Bruins. There's probably a

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Speaker 1: ceiling with the roster, but it's Jeremy Swayman. It's the

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Speaker 1: young quarterback, it's the young goalie. And Swayman's a little more,

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Speaker 1: you know, has a little more experience, a little more season.

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Speaker 1: He's still a young guy, right, Yeah. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he is there, Drake May, and they're gonna sink or

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Speaker 1: swim with him, just like we felt like the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are gonna sink or swim with Drake May. And obviously

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Speaker 1: they're doing a lot of swimming right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's your Bruins man and I hope you

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Speaker 2: enjoy it. I made it relevant, so the the bads,

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Speaker 2: there are some bads in this game. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to gloss over him just because it was a great win.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest one, though, to come out of

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Speaker 2: this game is a combination of that's going on with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots run game. They're running back position with Antonio

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Speaker 2: Gibson's injury. For those of you that might not know,

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Speaker 2: he tore his ACL in this game on Sunday. He

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Speaker 2: is out for the rest of the season and crutches

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Speaker 2: after the game. It was a bummer bummer of an injury.

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Speaker 2: So there's a million different technacles to talk about with this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the first one that I want to talk about, though, Alex,

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Speaker 2: is just what is wrong with the Patriots run game,

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Speaker 2: because right now they are thirty second in the league

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Speaker 2: in rush EPA, They're thirty first in rushing success rate,

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Speaker 2: so they have one of the worst run offenses in

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Speaker 2: the entire NFL. And they even are still at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the league if you bake in Drake May's

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Speaker 2: rushing yards and rushing production, which is not good. So

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Speaker 2: I did some digging on this last night, and my

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Speaker 2: findings were a little bit troubling. I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 2: to you because I would have much rather have heard

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Speaker 2: the stats and the film and all that say. It's

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Speaker 2: four new pieces on the offensive line. It's a new offense,

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Speaker 2: like they just have to gell as an offensive line

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Speaker 2: to get this run game going. But from a metrics standpoint,

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Speaker 2: from an analytical standpoint, it's not the run blocking. Now

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Speaker 2: that's not to say that the run blocking is.

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Speaker 1: What does the tape tell you?

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Speaker 2: The tape is telling me the exact same thing, and

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to kind of get this out. So they

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Speaker 2: are averaging right now two point three yards before contact

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Speaker 2: per rush, So that tells you really like how much

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Speaker 2: push they're getting. Yeah, right, two point three yards before

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Speaker 2: contact per rush is eleventh.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good number.

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Speaker 2: Eleventh not bad.

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Speaker 1: I think they were like they might not have even

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Speaker 1: been at one last year. They were right around one.

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Speaker 2: So eleventh is decent. Now there's another statistic that I

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Speaker 2: really like and shout out to FTN Fantasy, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of like the New Football Outsiders. They have a

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Speaker 2: really coolest stats hub. DVOA is part of it, so

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Speaker 2: if you want to subscribe to it, that you get DVA,

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Speaker 2: but you also get a lot of these numbers that

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Speaker 2: I'm reading off. It's a really cool resource. Adjusted lineyards

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Speaker 2: is basically just like a fancy way to account for

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Speaker 2: the offensive lines production in the run game, Like how

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Speaker 2: much is the offensive line helping the run game?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that just yards before contact?

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Speaker 2: It's a fancier yards before contact? Okay, but we have

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Speaker 2: yards before contacts just tangible adjusted lineyards. They are seventeenth,

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Speaker 2: so middle of the pack, not not terrible. So based

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Speaker 2: off of yards before contact and adjusted lineyards, they should

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Speaker 2: be like a middle of the pack, solid fine run team,

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Speaker 2: average run offense, and they're thirty second in the league.

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Speaker 2: So what's going on? Like, what's wrong? So there's two

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Speaker 2: things that I see.

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Speaker 1: By the way, last year they were one point two

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Speaker 1: yards before contact, Okay, I think that got boosted late

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Speaker 1: in the year.

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Speaker 2: So here are the metrics. This is the Patriots running backs.

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Speaker 2: This is what the ball care years are responsible for.

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Speaker 2: Yards after contact yep, thirty second, dead last in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: One point five yards after contact per rush. That is

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Speaker 2: thirty second in the league.

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Speaker 1: I have a theory on that, but continue, they're.

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Speaker 2: Mistackles, forced rate, or they're avoided tackle rate thirty second

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Speaker 2: nine point four percent, thirty second in the league. They

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Speaker 2: are dead last in avoiding tackles and they are dead

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Speaker 2: last in creating yards after contact. They are getting some push,

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Speaker 2: they are not getting the backs to the second.

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Speaker 1: They are getting what's being given to them and nothing more. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: So is that on traditional runs or on all runs?

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Speaker 1: On all runs, so you include scrambles? Uh no, those

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Speaker 1: are just traditional design run but it includes like the

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Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson seventeen yard end a round week one and

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Speaker 1: like that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anything that goes down as a rush attempt, that's

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Speaker 2: not scramble. So the stats tell you that it's a

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Speaker 2: running back problem, not a blocking not saying that they

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Speaker 2: would be in the number one rush offense in the

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Speaker 2: NFL based off the blocking that they're getting. But the

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Speaker 2: stats are telling you that it's a run blocking or

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Speaker 2: excuse me, it's a running back problem. The running backs

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Speaker 2: are not doing anything with the football. Now, the film,

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Speaker 2: I think is always going to be there's a million

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Speaker 2: different reasons why, right, Like, there's not ever going to

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Speaker 2: be one reason. But what I'm seeing on the film

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Speaker 2: is that they're running a lot of outside zone and

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Speaker 2: duo outside zone, stretch right, just aim it right at

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Speaker 2: the tackle, everybody steps out ninety degrees and we're stretching

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Speaker 2: to the sideline. The goal of that play is to

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Speaker 2: cut back that you want to try to pin the

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Speaker 2: defense into the sideline and then cut the ball back

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Speaker 2: through the middle of the field. That's the goal. But

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Speaker 2: what's happening to me is that I don't think the

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Speaker 2: backs are really letting things develop in the way that

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Speaker 2: they need to, and they're not hitting the cutback lanes

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Speaker 2: consistently enough that are forming the other run scheme that

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Speaker 2: they're using a lot, which I think speaks to the

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Speaker 2: yards before contact metric being in a good spot. Is

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Speaker 2: they're running a lot of gap or duo, which is

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Speaker 2: just double teams on the inside and there the line

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Speaker 2: is going to block the bigs, they're going to take

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Speaker 2: the defensive line and they're just going to double team

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Speaker 2: on the inside. And then once you get to the

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Speaker 2: second level, you know, once you start talking about the

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Speaker 2: linebackers and stuff like that, it's two fold on the back.

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Speaker 2: So one it's on the running back to make the

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Speaker 2: linebackers wrong. So if the running back plays the A gap,

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Speaker 2: you bounce to the B. If they play the B,

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Speaker 2: you bounce to the A right. That's their responsibility is

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Speaker 2: to read the movement of the running backs at the

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Speaker 2: second or the linebackers at the second level and make

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Speaker 2: them wrong, put them in the wrong gap with the

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Speaker 2: cut that you make.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is is that you aren't going to

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Speaker 2: get on duo. You're not going to get a lot

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Speaker 2: of second level climb, Like the blocks are not going

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Speaker 2: to always develop to the second level or the third

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Speaker 2: level of the defense because they're double teaming on the

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. So it's on the backs once you

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Speaker 2: get down and you get some of that momentum, it's

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Speaker 2: on the backs to break tackles, like the backs have

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Speaker 2: to either avoid the tackle or they have to run

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Speaker 2: through arm tackles, and they have to make yards after

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Speaker 2: contact to really hit those explosives off of duo. So

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Speaker 2: I think that that's probably what it mostly is is

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Speaker 2: a combination of the scheme that they're running and the

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Speaker 2: types of runs that they're running. They're really majoring in

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Speaker 2: duo and outside zone, like those are the two runs

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Speaker 2: that they're running most of the time. But the other

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Speaker 2: thing that I see a lot of too. Statistically, they

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Speaker 2: are one of the worst offenses in terms of the

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Speaker 2: running back production. Like just what they're getting from their

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Speaker 2: running backs has not been good.

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Speaker 1: So I do wonder if part of that especially, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can break that number down to

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks, Some of those numbers probably good.

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Speaker 1: When you're fumbling a ton and you're being told you

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Speaker 1: got to hold onto the ball and you know you're

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Speaker 1: still being put back out there. Yeah, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to break as many tackles. You're not gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: make as many guys because it's two hands on the ball.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to stay up too long. You get

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Speaker 1: it punched out. Like you're more focused on that, and

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Speaker 1: that's maybe not a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: But like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess that's the end of the tape.

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Speaker 1: But do you see where I'm coming from, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, they do wonder run game right now is they're

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Speaker 2: not getting stuffed. They're not getting negative runs.

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Speaker 1: They have like the fewest stuffs, right so.

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Speaker 2: They're tenth and stuff rate, which is good. And they're

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Speaker 2: also tenth closed yeah yeah, or tenth best. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're also tenth best in power success rate. So they're

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Speaker 2: the third and fourth down and goal line runs. They're

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Speaker 2: they're getting the ball in the end zone and they're

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Speaker 2: getting those first downs and they're not getting a ton

1499
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: of negative plays. So I said yesterday on PU and

1500
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: I stand by it after doing this deep dive, like

1501
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: the run game is keeping them on schedule enough where

1502
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: they can still remain balanced, So they're not if you're

1503
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: running on first and ten and it's becoming second and twelve,

1504
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: you have to abandon the run, right, That's kind of

1505
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: what happened in Week one, Right, they couldn't get the

1506
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: run game going at all. But if you're chipping away

1507
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: in the run game where it's like three, four five

1508
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: yards at a time, maybe you're not hitting any explosives

1509
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 2: in the run game, but you're still staying on schedule.

1510
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: That's good enough. If you're this efficient passing the ball.

1511
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially in the Josh McDaniels offense, where it's

1512
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: all about staying on schedule, right.

1513
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: If you're efficient enough in the passing game, and they

1514
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: have been highly efficient off play action, I should say

1515
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 2: as well, which is a big part of this, that

1516
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: second and seven becomes a first down then it doesn't

1517
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: matter that you're not hitting explosives in the run game.

1518
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: But it's when you get into second and twelve when

1519
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: you can't pick up a third and one on the ground,

1520
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 2: you know, when you can't punch it in down on

1521
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: the goal line in the run game, like that is

1522
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 2: when it starts to really hurt you. And so that's

1523
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: the run game.

1524
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: Now.

1525
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: The running back situation is a whole other layer is

1526
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: a whole nother thing. This season, they have to ride

1527
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: with Ramandre Stevenson and Treveon Henderson like they're not going

1528
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, maybe they could swing a

1529
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: deal out the deadline, but I don't think they're gonna

1530
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: go out and get a factor back that's gonna change

1531
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: the hierarchy of their back.

1532
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: Do you want my conspiracy theory?

1533
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: Sure?

1534
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying they're gonna do this. I don't

1535
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: even know that I'm saying they should do it. But

1536
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: there's a team that is struggling that already made a trade.

1537
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 1: Start selling off pieces.

1538
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 2: You want them to trade for Derrick Henry.

1539
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want them to, but like,

1540
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: can we have some fun and talk about this? He

1541
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: has the relationship with Rabel, they have the cap space

1542
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: to absorb what is a monstrous contract like Baltimore might

1543
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: be selling now he's had some fubble problems too, and

1544
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: he hasn't quite been the same guy at times this year.

1545
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: But like, how does it not cross your mind? It

1546
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: does if we're gonna do all this stuff about AJ

1547
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: Brown and well, Mike Rabel and AJ Brown in their relationship,

1548
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: and the Patriots need a receiver to trade for a

1549
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: running back bike, And I mean, what would you have

1550
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: to give up? Like, I'm not giving up a top

1551
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: one hundred pick for one year as great as Derrick

1552
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: Henry is, sure, you know, but like I don't know,

1553
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: let's have something that I'm bringing this up to have fun,

1554
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: which I know you hate, but like, no, it's a

1555
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: fair point because if they're gonna if they're going to

1556
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: trade for like you call the factor back, Yep, it's him.

1557
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: They like they're not I've seen people throughout Breese Hall

1558
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: and Devin h Haan, those guys are not getting traded

1559
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: in the vision or like Camara, it's not gonna happen Camara,

1560
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: maybe Kamara, but like if you're gonna trade for Kamara,

1561
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: who do you think Rabel would rather trade for Kamara

1562
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: Henry because they're probably gonna cost you about the same.

1563
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: I think Rabel would probably rather Henry McDaniels might rather

1564
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 2: come out.

1565
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: Now, that's an interesting point.

1566
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 2: Because Kamara is so good in the passing and he's

1567
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: such a matchup weapon in the passing game that I'm

1568
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 2: sure Josh would love to have Kamara.

1569
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point.

1570
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: So it's a good point.

1571
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: Do you think they'd cost about the same?

1572
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: I can't are they they're they're like, I feel like

1573
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: they're around the same age.

1574
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, about Kamara's thirty I think Derrick Henry's thirty one. Yeah,

1575
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: so I think the contracts are relative similar to Henry's

1576
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: thirty one.

1577
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule out a trade for running back because.

1578
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: It's not just but not necessarily those guys just like

1579
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: a running back.

1580
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even in contracts, I wouldn't hold it against

1581
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: him if it was one of those guys either, because, look,

1582
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: you have a chance to really do something here this season.

1583
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: Like you might be year ahead of schedule, this might

1584
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: be like the Commanders were last year, But you have

1585
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,919
Speaker 2: a chance to really do something in a weaker conference

1586
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: this season in the AFC. You know, no Burrow, whatever

1587
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: is going on in Baltimore, who the hell knows. You know,

1588
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: the Chargers are falling apart. They have injuries all over

1589
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: the place in Los Angeles. Now, like this is Kansas

1590
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: City's two and three, Like they're gonna get hot Kansas City,

1591
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: I think at some point. But they're not in a

1592
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: good place. Houston hasn't been very good. Like, you have

1593
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 2: an opportunity here to do something this season, and this

1594
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: is right now, at least offensively. This is the biggest

1595
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: problem they have on the team is their lead back

1596
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: is keeps putting the ball on the ground and they're

1597
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: getting no extra production out of their running backs, Like

1598
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: they're not The running backs are not adding anything to

1599
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: the offense right now, and that is hurting them. It's

1600
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: it's really the only thing that's hurting them offensively. So

1601
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: if you trade for a running back like Derek Henner

1602
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: and Alvin Kamara, that's obviously a big swing. But even

1603
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 2: a running back that maybe is comparable to Remandre that

1604
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: can just put Remondre on notice a little bit like

1605
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: that I think could be very helpful too. And let's

1606
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: face it, like Remandre is fumbling the ball. Now, Antonio

1607
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: Gibson's hurt, he's out for the season, and so you

1608
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: need depth at running back, but you also might need

1609
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: you might need a bell cap, like you might need

1610
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 2: a number one guy. And I'll just say get this

1611
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: off my chest now. I've been going back and forth

1612
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 2: on Twitter with people about Travon Henderson, and I'm just

1613
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: telling you how I see it with Traveon Henderson. I'm

1614
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: not trying to, you know, kill the kid. He's a rookie.

1615
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: He's developing. He has not played particularly well. He has

1616
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: not played particularly well. And I get that he hasn't fumbled,

1617
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 2: and that in itself is probably like a baseline of like, well,

1618
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: Reminder keeps putting the ball on the ground and Treyvon

1619
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: Henderson isn't. But he hasn't played particularly well. His rushing

1620
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: numbers are not particularly productive. He's at like three something

1621
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: per carry. He is having a lot of trouble in

1622
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: pass protection and with pass blocking. He gave up another

1623
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 2: hurry in this game and pass blocking. So he is

1624
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: still developing. He's not coming along as quickly as we

1625
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: had hoped, Like we had all hoped that he was

1626
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 2: going to be a year one factor for the Patriots

1627
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 2: and it hasn't come to fruition yet. So the worst

1628
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: thing that you can do, in my opinion, is to

1629
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: put more on his plate. Now, he's going to organically

1630
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 2: have more on his plate because Gibson's not healthy, but

1631
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: to purposely put him out there for forty to fifty

1632
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: snaps a game is just going to kill the kid's confidence,

1633
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: like he's not there yet. And the other thing I

1634
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: would say about Henderson is that he's not built for it,

1635
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 2: Like this is not the role he was drafted to play.

1636
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: He was not drafted to be a lead back. And

1637
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: I keep hearing him compared to other rookies like Genti

1638
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: or Omarion Hampton or Judkins, and you're comparing him to

1639
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 2: different kinds of backs, Like you're comparing him to what

1640
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: more is like Ramandre Stevenson than what is Travon Henderson.

1641
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson was drafted to be a passing game player,

1642
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: to be a sub package running back, to be a

1643
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 2: change of pace guy. He was not drafted to carry

1644
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: the ball two hundred and fifty times, right, That's not

1645
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: why he's here. And when Ohio State tried to do

1646
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: that with him, he got hurt, and that's why Ohio

1647
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 2: State went out in the portal and paid Quinchhn Judkins.

1648
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: This is literally what happened at Ohio State is they

1649
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: put too much on Trevon Henderson's play and he wore down.

1650
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 2: So he's just not that's not who Travon Henderson is

1651
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: and right now version of who. Yeah, they need to

1652
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: get him to p before we can start talking about

1653
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: volume of snaps and touches for him there giving him

1654
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: nine or ten touches the game. He's doing just fine

1655
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: with it, Like does let him develop, don't force him

1656
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: more on his plate if you don't have to.

1657
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: Not that there's that much more they can put on

1658
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: his plate too, because his usage is already pretty high.

1659
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 2: For SI snap right, he's second on the team and

1660
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 2: touches like he's getting on the field. He's playing, And

1661
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: we were talking about this yesterday. It's not like they

1662
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: red shirted him. It's not. This is not a James

1663
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 2: White Remondre Stevenson situation, Remondre's rookie year where they he's

1664
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 2: riding the bench, he is playing, he is getting touches,

1665
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: he is returning kickoffs. I don't think he's ready for more.

1666
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: I really don't, and I don't think that he's built

1667
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: for more either, Like that's just not the role he

1668
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 2: was drafted to play. But most importantly, I don't think

1669
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: he was. He's ready to play more and to take

1670
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 2: on more responsibility. What do you do on kickoffs?

1671
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: So I wonder they're gonna need that third back maybe

1672
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: in the short term, like maybe they trade for for

1673
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: a factor back further down the road. If you just

1674
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: want a guy that's gonna take a couple carries the

1675
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: gameplay special teams to Michael Hasty's on the Dolphins practice

1676
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: squad yep, and he was the kick returner here last

1677
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: year and we know he can do that. And you know,

1678
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: after him, it's not Marcus Jones or Popped Douglas. They've

1679
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: Jeremy Springers talked about this. You need a guy, you know,

1680
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: more of a running back, build a bigger body. Do

1681
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: you try Kashawn Booty?

1682
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think about Kyle Williams

1683
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 2: because he's practiced it since the summer.

1684
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: So that's one where I wonder, like do they feel

1685
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: like he is the build for it or was that

1686
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: more of an emergency thing. I get more involved, get

1687
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: him more involved.

1688
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off. You get them, you get

1689
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: them more involved. And those are probably two of your

1690
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 2: fastest guys that are returning kickoffs now. So I just

1691
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: wonder if that maybe is an avenue for Kyle Williams

1692
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:56,839
Speaker 2: to be more involved.

1693
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: It's important. We just talked about the new kick. It's

1694
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: a new play, it's it's yep and that role specifically,

1695
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: teams are not kicking to Travon Henderson, so this guy

1696
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 1: is going to be essentially your kick returner. Trayvon Henderson's

1697
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: out there as a de turn at this point. Although

1698
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: you you did this on Twitter, I wanted to ask

1699
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: you about this. Yeah, so that because then shows on

1700
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: the broadcast and it didn't show up in the All

1701
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: twenty two.

1702
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 2: So they's very annoying.

1703
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: They did like a late yeh switch.

1704
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask a question to Springer,

1705
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: which I know is gonna blow your mind.

1706
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: Because usually don't even go to Springer. I swear to.

1707
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: God, I saw this in the press box and maybe

1708
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: I'm hallucinating, maybe I miss saw it. Now they definitely switched. Yeah,

1709
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,839
Speaker 2: that is on the All twenty two that they switched.

1710
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 2: But I could have sworn watching it in the press

1711
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: box that they lined up with Remandre on the return

1712
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: team's right and Trayvon Henderson on the left, and they

1713
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: did that right after Gibson got hurt. I think there

1714
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: was maybe two kickoffs in between, and Remandre was on

1715
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: the right, and so the Bills kept on kicking it

1716
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: to Remandre, and then on the last one they switched,

1717
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 2: and it like baited Buffalo into kicking the ball off

1718
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: to Remandre. I feel it because they had their whole

1719
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: return coverage set up and the kicker was already angled

1720
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 2: that direction and the return with you know, the coverage

1721
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: was already scripted to go in that direction, so he

1722
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: couldn't kick it off the other way, and so he

1723
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 2: was forced to kick it off to Travon's.

1724
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: Any rule about those back guys moving, I don't think so.

1725
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: Either.

1726
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: The front guys can't.

1727
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no rule about that, because the back

1728
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: guys that like he can move before the ball is

1729
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 2: caught too to get out and they move before it's kicked,

1730
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. Uh that I don't know.

1731
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I think you'd have to

1732
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: be able to because like or you could well they

1733
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: did it. Could you switch in time? Here's another wrinkle

1734
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: you could do. Teams catch on you switching, stack them

1735
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: to put him next to each other.

1736
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 2: Stack him and do it at the last second.

1737
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: And then yeah, do it. Have Henderson goes wherever the

1738
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: ball is and now they have to kick it short

1739
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: and try that dirty kick and the teams aren't good

1740
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: at it. You're gonna get start the bolt to forty

1741
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: yard line a whole hell of a lot.

1742
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe I was hallucinating, but

1743
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: I swear to God, and then I tried to go.

1744
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: The TV copy doesn't show it. Yea, the All twenty

1745
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: two doesn't show it. But I could have sworn that

1746
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 2: I saw them switch at the last second, all right,

1747
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: really quickly, because we're going long here on all this

1748
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: covering tight ends on defense. Dalton Kinkaid didn't answer there. Yeah, problem,

1749
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not the biggest Kincaid guy. I tipped the cap.

1750
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1751
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: He proved me wrong at least for one game. I

1752
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: like kids these players, you know, I just you know me, like,

1753
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: if you can't block, and then you're not for me.

1754
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Well, no, he's a slot receiver. Yeah, but he's a

1755
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: decent player, and no, because you got to make sure

1756
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Josh Allen gets all that credit.

1757
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: So burn Jalen Hawkins and Craig Woodson in man coverage

1758
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: on Roberts Plain. He also was ruled that zone like,

1759
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: he was also really good in zone, finding the soft

1760
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: spots and zone. They did drop Millon Williams on one

1761
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: of them, which was whatever.

1762
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Okay, well so crant and then go ahead, Yeah, Collinsworth

1763
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: giving Josh Allen a ton of credit for not getting

1764
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: picked off by Milton Williams. You obviously didn't hear this.

1765
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: He did like a whole thing about how what a

1766
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: play it was that Josh Allen didn't get picked off

1767
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: by defensive tackle. Nothing against Milton Williams, but like, yeah,

1768
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that hard to figure out your receiver

1769
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: clearing face on the defensive tackle and then whatever it

1770
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: was later that drive. The next drive, same sort of concept,

1771
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: he gets picked off by Marcus Jones. I just that

1772
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: was it was, although I will say so it was

1773
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,879
Speaker 1: a little much from Collinsworth until Drake May started making plays.

1774
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: And then because I usually don't I usually don't mind

1775
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Collinsworth unless it's allan or Mahomes For whatever reason, he's

1776
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 1: not as bad with Lamar Jackson or I'm just not

1777
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: recalling it. Yeah, he kind of started doing it with

1778
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: Drake May so maybe there's a new member of the club.

1779
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: They don't have any more scheduled Sunday night football games

1780
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: this year. But like he, Drake May drew out annoying

1781
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth, which is complimentary to May.

1782
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 2: So covering tight ends is a problem. It's so funny

1783
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: how things change so quickly. In the NFL. They had

1784
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: nothing but box safeties and now they have nothing but

1785
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: free safeties. Like Jalen Hawkins and Craig Woodson are not

1786
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: man coverage players. They are free safeties that to plete

1787
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: playing in the deep part of the field, helping over

1788
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: the top of the defense, whether it's the middle split

1789
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: safety whatever. They they're both decent against the run, and

1790
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 2: Hawkins is a decent blitzer, but neither one of those

1791
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: guys is built to cover a tight end. Bowers torched

1792
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 2: him Kincaid toward them. They they're giving up seventy five

1793
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: yards a game to tight ends right now, that's second

1794
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: in the league. Now, they played some good ones, like

1795
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: I'll give him that, Like Pittsburgh also has good tight ends,

1796
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: but they're not covering tight ends very well. Do you

1797
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: try Do you try to put Kyle Duggar back in

1798
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: the plan? You try to put Alex Austin like inside

1799
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: and have him cover tight ends just on third downs?

1800
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: Do you try Marte Mapu maybe as like a tight

1801
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: end stopper. I think they need. It's to the point

1802
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: now and maybe New Orleans doesn't necessarily have the tight

1803
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: end to make them pay for it. I think it's

1804
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: to the point now where you need to start to

1805
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: like think about it differently, like how like who else

1806
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: could we use, you know, especially on third third down,

1807
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: Like if it's third and eight, you know, can we

1808
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: put a guy specifically out there, like Alex Austin who's

1809
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 2: just going to cover Concaid one on one right and

1810
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 2: so that we don't have to expose the linebackers in

1811
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: the safeties to the tight end. So it was a problem,

1812
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, what would you do there? That's what I

1813
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: would do. I would try to try some different people.

1814
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's basically my answer. You know, I

1815
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: broughably talked about them adding a running back to me

1816
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,919
Speaker 1: trade deadline, finding a tight end stopper, whether that's a linebacker,

1817
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: whether that's a safety, whether that's a corner. You could

1818
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: try Alex Austin, you could try Kyle Duggar, maybe try

1819
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Martine Mapu. Like, I don't know who the right answer is.

1820
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: I would just keep trying people because you've got to

1821
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: find somebody.

1822
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: I would try Alex Austin and again, like, this isn't

1823
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,759
Speaker 2: having him play in your base defense.

1824
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: This is obvious passing situations and right third down, obviously,

1825
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I will say what I mean, Juwan Johnson's not a

1826
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: bad player. When's the next time they face an elite

1827
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: tight end? Who's Titans tight end? Uh?

1828
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 2: Ninjoku with the Browns?

1829
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, three weeks and then Kyle Pitts and

1830
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: then you got Kyle Pitts and then you've got.

1831
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: I don't do the Bucks have a tight end? They do?

1832
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Why am I blanking on who? We did this earlier

1833
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: this year and I was like, oh, he's an underrated player,

1834
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: and now I'm blanking on who it is because I

1835
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: forgot he was still there. Kate Aughton, Oh right, solid,

1836
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: anything special jetsaid nobody Mike is sick. He's actually been

1837
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: good in Cincinnati. Yeah, now their quarterback will be I

1838
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: don't know Giants said, they don't exactly have Why am

1839
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 1: I blank on his names? Like one of my favorite

1840
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: players growing up? What was their tight end? That was

1841
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: like awesome? Yes? Uh? And then you get the Bills again,

1842
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:01,879
Speaker 1: the Ravens.

1843
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 2: So they got a couple more yep, you know Bill's

1844
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 2: Ravens Mark Andrews again.

1845
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get the charge Smith at the

1846
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: end of the year one more time.

1847
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 2: Seventy five yards per game, second most in the NFL

1848
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 2: to tight ends. Right now, that's a problem. So a

1849
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 2: couple of more on the stuff that gets you beat.

1850
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: Remandre's fumble obviously, just again have to mention it. And

1851
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: then I'm going to come to your side of the

1852
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: street with the penalties, not because I.

1853
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: Mean those very much gotten them beat.

1854
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Yep. So these penalties are putting them in the stuff

1855
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 2: that gets you beat this week because these are different

1856
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: kind of penalties. These are late hit personal foul penalties

1857
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: with the game on the line, and this is not

1858
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: holding or false starting in the first quarter. This is

1859
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: tackling a guy when he was already tackled and running

1860
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 2: the passer. Buffalo goes on a whereas it's a eight

1861
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: place seventy four yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter.

1862
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Thirty of the seventy four yards were Patriots gifting them

1863
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: fifteen yards on penalties.

1864
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: Yep, that drive.

1865
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 2: I mean, like, who knows what happens on that drive

1866
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: if they don't have two.

1867
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Backbreak the game. And look, I'll say I said it

1868
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: last week, I'll say it again more so with the

1869
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: Gibbons penalty. The other two are just bad penalties. But like, yep,

1870
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: that crew was calling it tight. They were calling it

1871
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: tight all night. Some of that was ticky tack obviously

1872
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: not those two, but like the Gibbons, one's TICKI tack.

1873
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: But they're calling a ticky tack all night. You got

1874
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: to know and you got to adjust to that.

1875
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,440
Speaker 2: So that was the drive that made it twenty to seventeen.

1876
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: So it's a ten point game at that point. To

1877
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: your point, if you force a punt there, that's game

1878
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 2: over probably right then you're in your four minute offense

1879
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 2: and you know you're trying to ice the game at

1880
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 2: that point. That those two penalties basically kept building.

1881
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Even if you know you're going to take a significant

1882
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: chunk off the clock. The Bills will go down, get

1883
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: one score, use up all their timeouts.

1884
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: And yeah they really got those two penalties kept them

1885
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: in the game. And the one on schooler was bad too.

1886
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 2: That was literally one was.

1887
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,839
Speaker 1: I said there were a tickie tack. They were penalties?

1888
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: Are they not?

1889
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to the hip drop thing, because that's a

1890
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: clear hip drop tackle for Marcus Jones. They just didn't

1891
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 1: call when they threw the flat I was like, oh wow,

1892
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: they called.

1893
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 2: A hip drop pempty basedop call.

1894
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: Did they ever start?

1895
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 2: They did for like a week? Okay, it was an

1896
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: emphasis thing, all right. Another weekend of football is upon us,

1897
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1907
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: keeping you guys on hold for too long. I apologize,

1908
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: but we're gonna get to your calls now. I will

1909
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: wrap the show with a little bit of Saints as well.

1910
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 2: Patty is an ag on what's up Patty Jen? Thanks

1911
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: for waiting quick.

1912
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 7: I just hey, no problem. So I got a point

1913
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 7: and football question and kind of a cupcake question for

1914
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 7: you guys. So my point is, just looking forward, I

1915
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 7: don't see the Saints game as a trap game. I

1916
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 7: don't think there's going to be any trap games this

1917
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 7: year because I don't think Brable is going to allow

1918
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 7: this team to and and their their play demeanor and

1919
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 7: their attitude towards their opponents to to like sort of

1920
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 7: become complacent. And the question that I have is, do

1921
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 7: you think if Biggs keeps this momentum going, do you

1922
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 7: think it will hopefully open up things for Kyle Williams.

1923
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 7: I know I've been I've been throwing his name out

1924
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 7: there a lot. I just want to see what they

1925
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 7: have in the kid. That's the that's the football question

1926
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 7: and the cupcake question I got for you guys is

1927
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,919
Speaker 7: what's your favorite Jersey mic sub minus the Club Supreme.

1928
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: I'll take it off there, all right, thanks for the call, Patty.

1929
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 2: So favorite Jersey Mike sub is the chicken Chipotle, all right,

1930
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: that's my favorite. Obviously I get the turkey like most

1931
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: of the time because I'm you know, not going to

1932
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: eat that, you know, chicken cheeseteak all the time, but

1933
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 2: that's my favorite one.

1934
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: It's official sandwich pride of the NFL.

1935
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Now right, yes, I can say that.

1936
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: No, I just I just want to make sure right

1937
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: in trouble, Yeah, the uh.

1938
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: It's a trap game.

1939
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: It is a trap game. It is, and it's a

1940
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: young team. And look, they should be that emotional after

1941
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: a win like that. They should feel good about themselves.

1942
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 1: It's a good accomplishment, it's a big accomplishment. But there's

1943
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: a level of being a professional of coming back the

1944
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 1: next week and playing to that same level that some

1945
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: of these guys just have it. Not that they have

1946
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: failed to do it, they just haven't been in this spot.

1947
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: So no, it's absolutely trap game. It's one hundred percent track.

1948
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 1: I think Vrabel will do his best to eliminate that.

1949
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. I said it on the radio

1950
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: this morning. And it's been set on the radio and

1951
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: on TV the last three days. Maybe Vrabel's playing a

1952
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: super cut of it in the locker room right now

1953
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: to let everybody know.

1954
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 2: But this is a track, yep, a trap game. It's

1955
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 2: the second of three road games in a row. And

1956
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 2: I am saying this is somebody that does not play

1957
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 2: very much notable in the Lazar House, right, and it's

1958
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,759
Speaker 2: three straight road games. It's tough. It's hard. No, I'm

1959
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 2: saying this on the part. I'm not saying this about me.

1960
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard to go on the road three

1961
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: straight weeks. Not only that, but like we landed here

1962
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 2: in Providence at four am on Monday morning, after seven

1963
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 2: it's sneaky, like it's hard to catch up. By today

1964
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: is the first day that I start. I'm feeling like normal.

1965
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: And I didn't play in the freaking game, right, So like,

1966
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: trust me when I tell you it's it's hard. The

1967
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 2: other thing that I would say, and this is just

1968
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 2: my personal opinion, it's New Orleans and it's Nashville, Okay,

1969
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: So like, let everybody's gotta be like, this is a

1970
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 2: two back to back road trips where you're the Patriots

1971
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: are really going to to prove how disciplined of a

1972
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 2: program they have. Yeah, you know, our guys locked in,

1973
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: Our guys, you know, going out in New Orleans. Are

1974
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 2: they going out in Nashville? Are they locked in? Are

1975
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: they ready to play? Uh? Dad's gonna be big. Now

1976
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 2: they might be good enough, you know, just to talk

1977
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: a little bit about the Saints, because we have like

1978
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 2: thirteen minutes left, they might be good enough to beat

1979
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 2: the Saints.

1980
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: Even on their like a C or or D effort,

1981
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: it would still be disappointing. It would put a D

1982
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: effort after beating the Bills, but they might be good

1983
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: enough to do that.

1984
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 2: So with the Saints, their offense I think is one

1985
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 2: of those offenses that is not impressive on paper and

1986
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 2: uh frankly not overly impressive on film either, especially their

1987
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:49,440
Speaker 2: offensive line. And I think Rattler is like an NFL quarterback,

1988
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he's a starting NFL quarterback.

1989
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: But they have some sneaky good skill talent, Like do

1990
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 2: they are.

1991
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: They a little dolphinsy and the way they're built schematically no,

1992
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 1: but personnel wise, the old Dolphins in terms of the speed,

1993
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: speed and Rattler, I think there's maybe maybe not to now,

1994
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: but like younger to because he can run a little bit.

1995
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: You can run a little bit. He can throw the

1996
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 1: ball down the field.

1997
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, they have sneaky skill talent.

1998
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 2: I really really like Rashid Cheed. I think he's gonna

1999
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 2: be sought after commodity if he hits the open market. Yeah,

2000
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 2: and just want fast guys. You gotta sign your fast.

2001
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 1: He's fast.

2002
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Stand he's fantastic. He's fast. And so he's going to

2003
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: be a free agent next offseason. I don't know if

2004
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 2: the Saints are gonna let him be a free agent

2005
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: next offseason, but technically he's on an expiring contract. Alvin

2006
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Kamara not the Alvin Kamara from five years ago, but

2007
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 2: I can still break tackles. Is still a mismatch in

2008
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 2: the passing game.

2009
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: You can't forget about him.

2010
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 2: Alave and Brandon Cooks are NFL receivers, so this group.

2011
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: Jawn Johnson's a solid tight end.

2012
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 2: If they had a better offensive line and a little

2013
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,839
Speaker 2: bit of a better quarterback, I don't think this offense

2014
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 2: would be thirty second in the league. Like, no, they're

2015
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 2: not that bad, but they are contending for the first

2016
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 2: overall pick. I think they're twenty second in the league

2017
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 2: on DVOA on offense, so even like it's not terrible,

2018
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 2: like it's not.

2019
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: The actual number that matters. They're twenty seventh in points.

2020
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not god awful on offense on that

2021
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: side of the ball, twenty fourth in yards and then defensively.

2022
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about this because I was very

2023
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 2: excited when one more.

2024
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: Thing about the Saint team just looking at it now, Yeah,

2025
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: credit to them. They don't turn the ball over. They've

2026
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: only turned the ball over three times this year.

2027
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they don't. They don't score a lot of

2028
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 2: points though they had five, right, they first five turnovers

2029
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 2: against the Giants last week and put up twenty six points,

2030
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 2: and they scored six points off those five turnovers. Like,

2031
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 2: they just don't score a ton of points. But Shaheed

2032
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 2: hit an eighty seven yard touchdown last week.

2033
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very.

2034
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 2: Capable of just popping a big play. Alvin Kamara can

2035
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: still run the ball and Spencer rattlers like Sneaky Mobile.

2036
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: They've ran him on some design runs, like some Philly

2037
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: style stuff that Kellen Moore ran last year with the

2038
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Eagles with Hertz and some of it's worked, so it's

2039
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 2: not a completely I think that the take is like,

2040
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: don't let the offense sneak up on you. Like it's

2041
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 2: it's not completely. Now their offensive line blows, and I

2042
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 2: think the path to a blowout for the Patriots in

2043
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: this game against New Orleans is their defensive line just

2044
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 2: taking over against the Saints offensive line. The Saints are

2045
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 2: missing stays A Ruiz. I don't know if he's gonna

2046
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 2: play in this game, but they're on a backup right guard.

2047
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 2: They've moved Trevor Penning inside to left guard because he

2048
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 2: failed outside at tackle. Former first rounder Kelvin Banks is

2049
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 2: their left tackle. He's a rookie.

2050
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

2051
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 2: They their offensive line is like last in the league

2052
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 2: and everything like, they've had a really tough time blocking.

2053
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: So when they have Milton Williams and Harold Landry and

2054
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore to this week and hopefully you know, Chase

2055
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 2: On's back Tonga tonga like that, that's gonna be tough

2056
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: for New Orleans Patriots. Now, the other side of the ball,

2057
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 2: which I wanted to talk about because this is one

2058
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: of our favorite people that is coordinating the Saints defense,

2059
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 2: and that's Brandon Staley. Brandon who I think it might

2060
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 2: be like the first coach that we argued about. Yep,

2061
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: this is like pre Kyle Shanahan arguments. I feel like, well,

2062
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 2: I mean it's the same idea. So Brandon Staley is coordinating?

2063
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: Uh now, because when do you get hired by the

2064
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: Chargers like twenty one already in San Francis.

2065
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Shannan, at that point, I don't think it

2066
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 2: was like you really hate Brandon Staley.

2067
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a very good coach. He's

2068
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: very He's a very good head coach. And I say

2069
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: that all time. There's some guys that are good coordinators

2070
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: but not good coaches. I look at what happened with

2071
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: the Chargers and look at what they're doing now without him.

2072
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 1: I think that the evidence stands on its own. He

2073
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: was not ready for that job, too much of a

2074
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 1: math heavy approach, among other things. He if it's this

2075
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: and I need to dig more into the Saints defense

2076
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: on my list do today? I remember with Chargers he

2077
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: didn't really care about defending the run. He was bothered

2078
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: by that. Does he still doesn't so not much. We

2079
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: said it last week the Bills team that was not

2080
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: good against the run. The Patriots need to get the

2081
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: run game going. They could not do that. Well, here

2082
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: we go again, a good week to get the run

2083
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: game going. Can they do it? But I will say, you're.

2084
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 2: Gonna say something nice about Brendon Staley.

2085
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something nice about Saints. It's a good front.

2086
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: It's a good front, Devon Godshaw, Brian Berze in the middle,

2087
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan can still play their linebackers tomorrow, Davis P. Werner, Chase.

2088
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: It's honestly, and I think Chase, it's honestly kind of

2089
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: crazy that this team is this bad. The roster's not

2090
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not a playoff team, but this is

2091
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: not like a bottom of the league roster.

2092
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 2: No, but that was my takeaway.

2093
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Now and now their secondary is another story.

2094
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 2: Their secondary is not great and their offensive line.

2095
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Is right, But that's front is actually especially the line.

2096
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: I really like Brian I think underrated player. Yeah, and

2097
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I think him and Godshaw compliment each other.

2098
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 2: Well, so you said some things there about Staley that

2099
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 2: I think are relevant. The first thing is his whole

2100
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 2: thing that started to explode in the NFL, him Vic Fangio,

2101
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: all these gurus defensive guys basing their defense out of

2102
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 2: two high safety shelves. Right, So two high safeties, you're

2103
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 2: taking a guy out of the box. It doesn't necessarily

2104
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 2: mean light box if it sometimes means neutral where there's

2105
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 2: seven guys in the box, but you're not having that

2106
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 2: extra hat in the box, so you're light in the box.

2107
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Ye.

2108
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: Now, when you're light in the box and you have

2109
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald on the defensive line like he did with

2110
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Rams, Aaron Donald can take back gaps, right,

2111
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 2: he can play two gaps and he can make up

2112
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 2: for the fact that they're a man short in the box.

2113
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 2: When you have the Chargers defensive line that he had

2114
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 2: as the head coach there, and now when you have

2115
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 2: the Saints defensive lines a little bit better but still

2116
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 2: not you don't have a Hall of Famer like Aaron

2117
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 2: Donald might be one of the best players at his

2118
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 2: position in the history of the NFL. So it's harder

2119
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 2: to play the run out of those boxes. But what

2120
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 2: they do in the secondary that they do pretty well,

2121
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 2: which I broke down on bu TV this week. If

2122
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 2: you guys want to watch it match zones, they play

2123
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 2: a lot of match coverage in the back end, so

2124
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 2: they're carrying verticals and then they're passing off the underneath

2125
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: routes as like as zone. You know, Saban and Belichick

2126
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: invented this thing. You hear a lot from the Saban tree.

2127
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 2: They call it rip Liz, you know, and riplaz is

2128
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 2: just the way that they make the calls and determined

2129
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 2: if it's a zone side or if it's a man's side.

2130
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 2: You also hear a lot of like fangio parlance, which

2131
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 2: is like palms and things like that. Basically it's match quarters. Okay,

2132
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Speaker 2: that's a fancy way to say it. And all of

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Speaker 2: that does is that if you're a quarterback, you in

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Speaker 2: a receiver too, like you have to understand are they

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01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 2: zoning this off or are they manning this right, because

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Speaker 2: that's gonna lead you to some traps, like if you

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Speaker 2: think it's man and then but actually they fall off

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Speaker 2: in its zone, then you're going to be thrown into

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Speaker 2: a team party, right, So you have to be on

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Speaker 2: your p's and q's there. It's a good scheme. Defensively,

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Speaker 2: he's not a good head coach. I've conceded that point

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Speaker 2: to you. But he runs a really good highly sophisticated

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Speaker 2: defensive scheme. They pressure a lot, they play a lot

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Speaker 2: of disguise back end coverage with their match zones. It's

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Speaker 2: a hard defense to prepare for mentally. Yeah, so those

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Speaker 2: are the things that they bring to the table. Offensively,

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Speaker 2: I think they have sneaky skill talent. Defensively, I think

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Speaker 2: that they have a good scheme also really quickly on

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Speaker 2: the defense, Tomorrow Davis is an awesome linebacker. He's a

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Speaker 2: really good player. He can cover his butt off. He's

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Speaker 2: extremely athletic. So, like you said, it's not a team

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Speaker 2: that has no talent. They just don't have a great quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They have a first time head coach, and they have

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01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 2: some fatal flaws, like the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: The spots are they're weak. They're really weak. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, Okay, they have a good front and

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01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: they're secondary's fine, or oh they have good and the

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01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: spots where they're strong they're not like overly strong either.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's I don't think it's entirely They've also

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Speaker 1: played good teams. I think the start season right yep,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals nine or Seahawks, Bills, and then they beat the Giants,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think one and four is entirely reflective

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Speaker 1: over that roster. I don't think they're a playoff team.

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Speaker 2: But can we do lightning round through the round?

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Speaker 1: Let's go real quick?

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Speaker 2: All right, real quick? If Ryan in New Jersey is

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01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 2: still hanging on Ryan, what do you got?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 8: What's going on?

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Speaker 7: Guys?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 7: Good call, really quick question.

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Speaker 8: First, what are you guys seeing on film that's prevent

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Speaker 8: Kyle Williams from being more productive?

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Speaker 7: And two?

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Speaker 8: Is linebacker a tight end a bigger need heading into

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Speaker 8: the draft?

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Speaker 2: Thanks? Thanks for Ryan. Kyle Williams, He's to play more

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Speaker 2: like he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: There's receivers playing well in front of him.

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Speaker 2: There's flashes, there's flashes of separation on the all twenty two.

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Speaker 2: It's exciting to see that. That's why I wanted to

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01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 2: maybe put him on kickoffs, to just give him an

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01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to touch the ball in a different way, a

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01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 2: different phase of the game.

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Speaker 1: Linebacker, I think at linebacker, what tight end?

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Speaker 2: I understand the future need at tight end, but I

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01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: think that Henry and Hooper still have something in the tank.

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Speaker 2: For the short term. They're gonna need a I think

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Speaker 2: this plain is a good player. He had a really

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Speaker 2: good game. They need somebody next.

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Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a fun linebacker draft.

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Speaker 1: I say that because a lot of the guys I

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Speaker 1: really like or juniors. Yeah, so some of them might

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01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: not come out because when it's a loaded class, guys

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Speaker 1: might stay to be a higher pick next year.

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Speaker 2: But weak side linebacker like a true coverage you know,

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Speaker 2: speed sideline to sideline linebacker to playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Polane Kyle Lewis from pitt who you won't might not

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Speaker 1: need a draft that high.

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Speaker 2: All right, Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 6: I noticed by in the fourth quarter. I know he

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01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 6: didn't play that much, but did they use him at

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01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 6: all in the first half? And the other question I

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01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 6: have is Zach Moss a possibility to uh to pick

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01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 6: up That's it. I'll take up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Sean. I they did play to Vie a bit,

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01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 2: and I thought he was actually pretty good in this game.

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Speaker 1: I thought he played well a limited role, but but

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Speaker 1: he gained something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was played holes in the run game and

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01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 2: was a little bit sturdier in there than like a

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01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 2: Christian Ellis. He did lose one edge on an outside run,

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01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 2: but overall, I kind of saw a vision of how

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01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 2: they could use him as like an early down stack

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01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 2: linebacker that I'm in on. I thought he was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: On Zach Moss. He had a neck injury last year.

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01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: He hasn't played since, So I always wonder with guys

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01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like that, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Austin is in New Hampshire. What's up? Austin?

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Speaker 7: Hey guys?

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Speaker 8: Any quick question for you? A Are you anticipating them

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01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 8: to try to sign Christian Gonzales this year due to

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01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 8: the free agency cap and then also just with the

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01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 8: way drag Mays balling, do you guys project to see

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01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 8: another big move on free agents and a lot of

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Speaker 8: guys interested in coming here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Austin, So, Christian Gonzalez is extension eligible next off season,

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Speaker 2: so we can start having this conversation. Yeah, well that's

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Speaker 2: what I meant. Yeah, yeah, So we can start having

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Speaker 2: this conversation in February and March when they get into

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Speaker 2: the off season. He is extension eligible and as the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys can tell you, doing it early is much

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01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 2: better than doing it late.

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Speaker 1: So if they can move on because Witherspoon's too, so

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Speaker 1: you want to sign him before the Seahawks signed. Witherspoon

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Speaker 1: was the other question. Uh yeah, Drake May is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a drawn fregency. Yep, at least for just some extent.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'll have, you know, everybody banging down

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Speaker 1: their door, but that's somebody you can sell.

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Speaker 2: That was a great lightning round. Good good job by

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Speaker 2: the callers. I appreciate that. Sorry we didn't have more

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01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 2: time to talk to you, guys, but this was a

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01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 2: huge Ware's Real football is a big breakdown on the

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Speaker 2: on the win on Sunday night. We will be back

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Speaker 2: next week, same time, same place. We'll talk about the

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01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints. We'll preview the trip to Nashville for

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01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel back in Nashville to face his old team

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Speaker 2: and the Tennessee Titans and cam Ward who's been pretty good,

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Speaker 2: pretty good cam warden.

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Speaker 1: His interceptions turned into touchdowns.

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01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about that one. So we'll see you guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 1: Hey this is Alex.

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