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Speaker 1: is advised. A murder case with Hollywood overtones, including a

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Speaker 1: poisoned husband, a stage death scene, and a beautiful woman

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Speaker 1: being sentenced to prison for life. It was an overdose

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Speaker 1: as a toxicologist. The victim died of poisoning. Whether it

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Speaker 1: was fentonel or some other poison that was found in

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Speaker 1: his system, the fact is is that he was poisoned

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Speaker 1: to death and that ms Rawson was responsible for that.

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Speaker 1: The murder case has been a tantalizing one m When

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Speaker 1: we last left off in Part one, Kristen's double life

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Speaker 1: and extramarital affairs had finally caught up with her. She

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Speaker 1: She found herself at a crossroad, each path with its

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Speaker 1: had deadly repercussions. Join me now as we uncover kristen

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Speaker 1: rossums niving plan to ensure she'd be free to pursue

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Speaker 1: believed that Kristin then began administering fatanelle patches on his body.

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Speaker 1: to check on her husband. He said he suspected Greg's

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00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: death was drug related because Kristen had admitted he had

428
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: taken large amounts of quote unknown medications unquote. He shared

429
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: Kristen's opinion that Greg was a quote volatile type of

430
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: individual unquote who was pro into outbursts and unpredictable behavior.

431
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Dr Robertson answered many questions with an honorable nodding of

432
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: his head in agreement, as if processing the information, he

433
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: would not admit to anything other than a fondness for Kristen.

434
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: He admitted to telling Kristen that if his wife and

435
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: he were to separate again, he would certainly look to

436
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: pursue a relationship with her, but only if she were

437
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: separating two. He stated, after Greg warned him to stay

438
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: away from Kristen, he decided to refocus on his relationship

439
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: with his own wife. He admitted to knowing about Kristen's

440
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: past relationship with drugs and her subsequent recent relapse. He

441
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: said he was disappointed and deeply saddened for her. However,

442
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: he made a personal decision not to tell the Medical

443
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Examiner's Office that she was back on drugs, despite his

444
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: legal and ethical requirement to do so. He stated he

445
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't think Kristen had anything to do with her husband's death,

446
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: describing her as sweet, caring, and loving. Dr Robertson ended

447
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: the interview by saying he wasn't sure whether or not

448
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Gregg's death was a scare tactic that went wrong, or

449
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: if it was an intentional overdose. Back at the Medical

450
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Examiner's Office, they've been checking the database for all cases

451
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: where fentanelle had been impounded at desk scenes in the

452
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: year two thousand. It was discovered that there were fifteen

453
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: missing fentanel patches from the twenty four that should have

454
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: been logged in by Kristen. There was also an additional

455
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: ten milligram vial of fentanyl sit trape missing, which Kristen

456
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: had logged into inventory on October three, when Detective act

457
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: they found out just how much Fentonille was missing. They

458
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: commissioned they drug out it for the entire office. In December,

459
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Kristen and Dr Robertson were both fired from their positions

460
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: in the Medical Examiner's Office. The official cause for Dr

461
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Robertson's termination was described as a key personal issue with

462
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: serious operational implications. Kristen was fired for breaking her probationary

463
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: style ATIS by using illegal drugs. The Medical Examiner's Office

464
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: then audited eight death cases involving meth and fhetamine. Of

465
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: the eight, seven of them at all of the evidence

466
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: completely missing. Of those seven, Kristin Rosum logged them all

467
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: in At seven am on January four, two thousand one,

468
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: simultaneous search warrants were served on both Kristen and Dr Robertson.

469
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Detective Agony placed Kristen under arrest after discovering she was

470
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: in possession of illegal narcotics. After being arrested and booked,

471
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Kristen called Dr Robertson asking to be bailed out. He

472
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: said he couldn't as he was in the middle of

473
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: having his apartment searched. He then immediately called his lawyer,

474
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Charles Goldberg, explaining his computers were seized and his passport taken. Later,

475
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: investigators would find thirty seven presentations and articles on fentanyl

476
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: on Dr Robertson's computer. After the police left Robertson's apartment,

477
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: he walked down to a dumpster and discarded a bag

478
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: full of items from the soft conference, including love letters, cards, poetry,

479
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: and a book on sex. However, the surveillance team managed

480
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: to retrieve it. The next day. Kristen was released from

481
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: custody and had to tell her parents that she had

482
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: relapsed on drugs and engaged in an extra marital affair

483
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: with Dr Robertson. She said it was because they had

484
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: forced her into a marriage she didn't want. In Kristen's mind,

485
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: it was her parents fault, It was Greg's fault and

486
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Jerome's fault. On July nine, two one, Dr Robertson, along

487
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: with his lawyer, insisted on a second meeting with homicide detectives.

488
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Mr Goldberg explained that Dr Robertson wanted his computers and

489
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: passport returned and would not be discussing anything regarding his

490
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: relationship with Kristen after Greg's death. He explained that it

491
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: was a sore point and had caused him a lot

492
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: of problems in his marriage. Doctor Robertson admitted to knowing

493
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: that the San Diego Medical Examiner's Office didn't routinely test

494
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: for fentanyl in an autopsy. However, he refused to discuss

495
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: anything regarding how Gregg might have been injected with fentanyl

496
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: or how much fentanyl might have been lethal. Then, doctor

497
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Robertson was confronted with the evidence he discarded in the dumpster,

498
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: and when asked why he tried to dispose of them,

499
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: he stated he was trying to reconcile with his wife

500
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: and didn't want them in the house. He told detectives

501
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: that he had ended his relationship with Kristen and told

502
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: her that he didn't want any further contact. When asked

503
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: why he requested the meeting, he said he just wanted

504
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: to get his things back because quote, I lost my job,

505
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: I've lost my profession, I'm losing my wife. I don't

506
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: want to be any part of this. I had a

507
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: relationship with Kristen, but this isn't where I envisioned my life.

508
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Beginning at two thousand one, in the middle of a

509
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: homicide investigation, I want it over and done with unquote.

510
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: When he asked if his computers could be returned due

511
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: to two upcoming conferences. His request was denied. They said

512
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: that they had yet to be examined and they could

513
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: become trial evidence. A few months later, Kristen had stopped

514
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: doing drugs, had been hired by a new company, and

515
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: was starting to make new friends. Her relationship with Dr

516
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Robertson continued. This time. Doctor Robertson was careful with his

517
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: love letters and presents to Kristen, mailing them to her

518
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: new place of work instead of her apartment. In contrast,

519
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: Kristen wasn't trying to be discreet at all. She placed

520
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: pictures of herself and Robertson at her desk and talked

521
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: of marrying him and having kids together someday. Unable to

522
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: find a job, Dr Robertson returned to Australia, reportedly for

523
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: his mother's cancer diagnosis. Kristen was heartbroken and confided in

524
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: her boss and co workers. However, Kristen quickly found a

525
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: new boyfriend and was trying to put the homicide investigation

526
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: behind her. In the meantime, computer forensic experts worked for

527
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: months to reconstruct the daily interactions on the computers of Kristen,

528
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Greg and Dr Robertson. When Kristen was asked to come

529
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: in for a second interview and polygraph test, she hired

530
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: San Diego attorney Michael Panzer. On the advice of her

531
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: new attorney, Kristen stopped communicating with Detective Agnew on June

532
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: after her attorney had called her to let her know

533
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and arrest warrant was being issued. She headed to her

534
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: job and asked her co worker to hide her love

535
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: letters and pictures of Dr Robertson. Half an hour later,

536
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Kristen was arrested at her apartment and transferred to the

537
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Los Collina's Women's Detention facility, where she was booked, fingerprinted,

538
00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: and photographed. The next day, when year old Kristen appeared

539
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: in court in an orange jumpsuit, the courtroom gallery was

540
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: packed with reporters. The media circus surrounding this case had

541
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: just begun. Outside the courthouse. Professor Rossum gave his first

542
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: interview to reporters, calling the charges against Kristen devastating. Jerome

543
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: de Villers also spoke to reporters that day, saying his

544
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: late brother knew that Kristen had a problem with drugs

545
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: before they were married and believed he was rescuing her.

546
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: He ended by saying he was looking forward to the

547
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: truth coming out. By now, the story was gathering momentum

548
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: in the press and had gone national. One photo editor

549
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: would later to call Kristen the most beautiful, potential, murderous

550
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: and living memory. By the weekend, the story had gone

551
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: international and was covered extensively in Australia's press. The focus

552
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: was mostly on the affair between Kristen and the dashing

553
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: doctor Robertson. Meanwhile, after Kristen entered her not guilty plead

554
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: before Judge m Thompson, her bail request was denied. Her

555
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: parents said she didn't have the financial means for a lawyer,

556
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: as they were doing all they could to raise the

557
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: bail money in the event it was granted in the future.

558
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: The judge appointed Kristen to experienced public defenders. The Rossom's

559
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: set out on a public relations tour pleading their daughter's

560
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: innocence to the hostile press. The rows and family agreed

561
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: to be on a special ABC Good Morning America segment

562
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: featuring the case. Professor Rossum described his daughter's drug addiction

563
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: and adulterous affair with her boss as disappointing. Examples of

564
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: moral weakness on the other side of the world. Dr

565
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Robertson gave his first interview, denying reports he fled to

566
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: escape prosecution, proclaimed his innocence, saying he returned to Australia

567
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: to care for his mother, who was ill with cancer

568
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: while the Rossoms were engaged in their media tour on

569
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: behalf of their daughter. The de Viller's family hired a

570
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: lawyer to file a wrongful death suit against the San

571
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: Diego County Medical Examiner's Office and Kristen Rossum and Dr

572
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Robertson for the wrongful death of Greg de Villers. The

573
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office was accused of negligence in hiring Rossom

574
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: without first running background checks and placing her in charge

575
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: of dangerous street drugs. They also claimed the office should

576
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: have prevented Kristen from donating Greg's organs so a proper

577
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: autopsy could have been conducted. In the press, the Rossom

578
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: started disparaging Greg as someone who had been spiraling out

579
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: of control and exhibiting questionable behavior. Dr Rossum stated the

580
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: stage death scene was Greg telling Kristen, not in a letter,

581
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: but symbolically that the romance that could be embodied in

582
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: a single Rose was now over insisting that Greg had

583
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: committed suicide. When he realized he could no longer keep

584
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: Kristen under his control, the Rossom's embarked on a daily

585
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: interview schedule as they wanted the truth to be known.

586
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: This case was quickly becoming San Diego's highest profile case,

587
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: making front page headlines almost daily. Public defenders Alex Loebig

588
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: and Victor Ericsson had been assigned to Kristen's case. However,

589
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: they found themselves in the unfortunate position of fielding media

590
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: inquiries rather than working on Kristen's vigorous defense. Judge John

591
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: Thompson denied the prosecutor's request to allow cameras into the

592
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: courtroom for the preliminary hearing. The first to testify to

593
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: hearing was campus police officer Bob Jones, who described the

594
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: scene on the night that Gregg died. He stated the

595
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: investigation change from suicide to homicide after toxicologist Donald Lowe

596
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: tipped him off that Rossim and her boss were having

597
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: an affair, which prompted him to turn the case over

598
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: to Detective Agnew. Next to testify was paramedic Sean Jordan,

599
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: who described finding Kristen in the living room on a

600
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: cordless phone to nine one one operators while pretending to

601
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: administer CPR. He then went on to describe the scene,

602
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Gregg's condition, Christian's demeanor, and also what life saving measures

603
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: had been taken in the attempt to save Gregg's life. Next,

604
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Jerome testified given the history of how Gregg and Kristen

605
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: had met, describing Gregg's positive demeanor two weeks prior to

606
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: their last meeting and their future plans to go snowboarding together.

607
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: During the lunch break, Professor Rosum gave an impromptu interview

608
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: to reporters, describing the case against Kristen as a house

609
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: of cards that would soon come crushing down. Jerome's tapes

610
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: of his meeting with Kristen were both played in court

611
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: and their entirety. As the tapes played, Kristen broke down

612
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: in tears. Next, various apartment complex witnesses testified to Kristen's

613
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: repeated in frantic returns to the apartment throughout the day

614
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: of Gregg's death. Then Dr Stephen Gruenwald also testified, describing

615
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: Gregg as a rational problem solver with big future plans.

616
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: He said Gregg was popular and without enemies. He stated

617
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: that the day Gregg didn't show up for work on

618
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: November six, he immediately became worried and began telephoning him.

619
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: He and others in his office had an odd feeling

620
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: that something was wrong, He testified. Kristin finally answered am

621
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: telling him the paramedics were trying to save Greg's life.

622
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: Then toxicologist Donald Lowe testified. Lowe was a man who

623
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: was given Dr Robertson's position after he was fired. Low

624
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: began testifying about the labs of recent drug audit and

625
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: which drugs were missing, which he listed as a large

626
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: quantity of fentanel patches, one vial of fentanil, methamphetamine, and

627
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: oxy codon and clone azepam, which we're all found at

628
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: Gregg's autopsy results. Doctor Lowe also testified to the medical

629
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: examiners careless office procedures at the time of logging drug evidence.

630
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: He stated it was easy for someone to read each

631
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: into the destruction box and retrieved drugs even when the

632
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: box had been locked. He also stated that the two

633
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: thousand one audit was the first he was aware of

634
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: in his thirty two years at the office. Dr Blackburn,

635
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: the chief Medical Examiner, testified on his findings during Gregg's autopsy.

636
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: He confirmed the cause of death was later determined to

637
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: be from acute fentanel intoxication. He explained the two ways

638
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: to administer it, which is either we skin patch or intravenously.

639
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: He explained the levels in Gregg's body were excessively high

640
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: and could have killed him many times over. Additionally, klon

641
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: as apama and oxycodone were also found in his body.

642
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Detective Agnew testified she first became involved in the case

643
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: after meeting with Jerome Devillers after hearing that Kristen and

644
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: her alleged lover, Dr. Robertson both worked at the Medical

645
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Examiner's office. She put a hold on Greg's cremation and

646
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: took over the investigation from Campus Lease. While Mr Rosson

647
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: was on the stand, he stated that he had photographic

648
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: evidence to prove that Greg had obtained the fatonel that

649
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: had killed him. He said his daughter, Kristen, had provided

650
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: him with a picture to prove that Greg had obtained

651
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: the fatonel from his own father's medical supplies, which were

652
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: kept in storage in Thousand Oaks. A week before his death,

653
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: Greg and Kristen had gone to the storage locker to

654
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: photograph Dr de Viller's medical equipment, hoping to sell it.

655
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: On eBay, Kristen told her father that one box contained

656
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: fentinil patches, and Greg had said he would dispose of

657
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: them himself. It was the last time Kristen saw the box.

658
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Mr Rossen had no idea how Greg had self administered

659
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: the lethal drug without leaving behind any evidence. When asked

660
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: why this had never come up before, he said he

661
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: had been waiting for the appropriate time to share the information.

662
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: He further said that he and his wife would often

663
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: visit Gregg and Kristen on weekends, and that Greg would

664
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: regularly spend the entire weekend in bed, taking over the

665
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: counter medications on a regular basis. He said, for some

666
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: on who was allegedly healthy and at doorsy, he was

667
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: also often very sickly. When asked about his daughter's drug use,

668
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: he said she had never been arrested or charged, despite

669
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: her nine possession charge. He stated his daughter hadn't taken

670
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: drugs since n until her recent relapse before Greg's death,

671
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: which had been caused. He said by distress that Gregg

672
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: had been putting Kristen through. To Kristen's surprise, she would

673
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: be heading to trial for first degree murder of her husband,

674
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Greg de Viller's. On January four, two thousand and two,

675
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: after six months of incarceration, Kristen Rosen was released on

676
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: one point to five million dollars bail into her parents custody.

677
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: Two weeks after her release, Judge Thompson placed Kristen, the attorneys,

678
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: and the investigators involved in the case on a gag order,

679
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: accusing the Rosums of attempting to poison the jury pool.

680
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: An interview taped before the gag order was issued, aired

681
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: from jail, with a sobbing Kristen telling a reporter she

682
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: did not harm her husband and thought Greg vindictively killed

683
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: himself in order to frame her and doctor Robertson for

684
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: his murder. Dr Robertson gave an interview from Australia, appearing

685
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: to turn on his former lover. He stated that if

686
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: Greg had injected himself with the massive doses of fentanyl

687
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: allegedly found in his body, he would never have lived

688
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: long enough to remove the needle from his arm, let

689
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: alone properly hide or dispose of it. He agreed it

690
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: absolutely looked suspicious. One day after it aired, Judge Thompson

691
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: sealed all pre trial documents to prevent further contamination of

692
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: an all he polluted jury pool. The d a's paralegal

693
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: was working full time on the case when, on a hunch,

694
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: she subpoenaed Kristen's discount grocery card records from the day

695
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: of Greg's death. It was discovered that Kristen had purchased

696
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: a can of soup, a cough syrup, and a single rose. Later,

697
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the defense would describe this key piece of evidence as

698
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: quote devastating to their case. The day Kristen was supposed

699
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: to meet with her defense team to discussed this new

700
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: piece of evidence, she called nine one one, complaining she

701
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: was having a panic attack. Paramedics arrived and found her

702
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: face down on a bed, clutching a Teddy Bear, sobbing.

703
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: After the jury was selected, the twelve jurors and four

704
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: alternates saw Kristen break into tears for the first of

705
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: many times throughout the trial. The prosecution began their opening

706
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: statement with a simple outline of the case, stating that

707
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Kristen had murdered her husband because of her addiction to

708
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: meth and her love for her former boss. The prosecutors

709
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: stated that although they would never see her former boss,

710
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: Dr Robertson, he would be an integral part of the

711
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: trial and was an unindicated co conspirator. They also said

712
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: there was a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence against him

713
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: for a conspiracy to commit murder charge. The prosecutor likened

714
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: the case to a murder mystery and stated it would

715
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: be filled with quote sex, drugs, motives, and innuendos, but

716
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: eventually they would put the pieces together. The circumstantial evidence

717
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: with Kristen's lies told in the cover up, would finally

718
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: intersect in a guilty verdict for Kristen Rossum. Throughout the

719
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: prosecutor's opening statement, Kristen shook her head, mouthing comments under

720
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: her breath and trying to make visual contact with the jurors.

721
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: She would continue this behavior throughout the trial, which did

722
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: not go unnoticed by the judge. Judge Thompson, the prosecutor

723
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: went on to express his amazement at Christian's ability to

724
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: overwork herself. Within one hour, she was emailing her married lover,

725
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: declaring her undying love, adoration, and looking forward to spending

726
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: the rest of her life with him and then twenty

727
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: minutes later, she was emailing her husband with professions of

728
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: the same undying love and devotion. He told the jury

729
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: that they would receive comprehensive notebooks of all of the

730
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: emails between Kristen, Dr Robertson, and Greg. He told the

731
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: jury that despite Kristen's repeated lies to Greg, he eventually

732
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: found out about the affair and her drug use. He

733
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: threatened to reveal it all to the chief medical Examiner.

734
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: She knew that not only would she lose her job,

735
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: but Dr Robertson would lose his job along with his

736
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: work visas allowing him to stay in the United States.

737
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Greg was about to destroy the secret life she had

738
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: created for herself. After four hours of presenting, he concluded

739
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: that he would prove the defendant was guilty. When the

740
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: public defender Alex low Big began his opening statement, it

741
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: would last just forty five minutes, with Kristen openly weeping

742
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: towards the jury. Low Big began by stating Kristen would

743
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: testify in her own word about the night her husband

744
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Greg the Villers took his life. He went on to

745
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: explain that despite what the prosecution contends, Kristen was not

746
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: raised with extravagant wealth, and she came from a hard

747
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: working academic family. He explained that when Kristen and Gregg met,

748
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it was love at first sight. Eventually, Kristen, who was

749
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: just eighteen when she met Greg, grew up and outgrew him.

750
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: The more she tried to express her independence, the harder

751
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: Greg tried to keep her under his control. His obsession

752
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: with her grew to a controlling level. Her relationship with

753
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Greg changed from soulmate to roommate, and he accused the

754
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: prosecution of grossly exaggerating Kristen's drug use. He also stated

755
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Greg couldn't stand the thought of living without Kristen. Greg

756
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: told Kristen throughout their relationship that he didn't want to

757
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: live of without her. Over the next two weeks, the

758
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: prosecution would present their case in chief, which included paramedics,

759
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: m E office employees, one drug expert, and a math

760
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: amphetamine expert. The last prosecution witness was Jerome de Viller's

761
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: who described his brother's relationship with Kristen Rossum. After the

762
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: prosecution rested, he told the judge he had been as

763
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: patient as he could during the trial. However, Kristen's conduct

764
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: during his opening statements and throughout the case in chief,

765
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: where she tried to get the attention of jurors, had

766
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: pushed him past his level of patience. He asked the

767
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: judge to tell her to stop her inappropriate conduct. He said,

768
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: this is the victim's brother on the stand, who doesn't

769
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: deserve to witness this kind of behavior. Prosecutor golds Stein

770
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: accused Kristen of interfering with the court process. Judge Thompson

771
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: told her not to do it again, and Kristen smugly replied, yes,

772
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: your honor in a patronizing tone. Insulted by her tone,

773
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: the judge rebuked her with an uncharacteristic burst of profanity.

774
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: He stated, you were smiling at jurors and it's absolute bs.

775
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: I think it's really hurting you. I don't think they

776
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: are buying it for a second. It's up to you.

777
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: You are to have no contact with any witness one

778
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: way or another. Don't sit there and tell me you're

779
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: not doing it. I'm not an effing idiot. The next day,

780
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: the judge apologized for his use of profanity. As the

781
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: prosecution rested the defense put on their case. They called

782
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: various people to testify, including Kristen's friends, current co workers,

783
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: and parents. Finally, Kristin herself took the stand, describing her

784
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: wonderful childhood, her best step with drugs, her meeting with Greg,

785
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: falling in love, and subsequent wedding anxieties. She stated that

786
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: she had loved Greg when they exchanged vows and still

787
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: loved him when she asked for a separation. She denied

788
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: killing him, stating that a divorce would have been her

789
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: way out of the marriage. During closing arguments, Prosecutor Goldstein

790
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: reminded the jury how Gregg Devillers suffered at the hands

791
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: of his cold, self centered, narcissistic, unfaithful, drug addicted wife.

792
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: He described Gregg's last few hours and his inability to

793
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: obtain help for himself. He asked the jury not to

794
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: be taken in by Christian's beauty or intelligence. He concluded

795
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: by calling Kristen Rossum a manipulative and habitual liar who

796
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: conspired with her lover to murder her husband. He stated

797
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Greg Devillers couldn't be there to tell them what had happened,

798
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: but his body incapacitated on Fentanel was pleading for justice.

799
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: After two and a half days of deliberation. The jerry

800
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: came back on what would have been Gregg Develler's twenty

801
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: ninth birthday and found Kristen raws, I'm guilty of first

802
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: degree murder. As she heard the wordict, Kristen began shaking

803
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: her head in disbelief and gasping for air. At sentence saying,

804
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Bertrand de Villers read a statement from his father. They read,

805
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: in part, do you have destroyed many people. You showed

806
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: no remorse or repentance for any of your actions. You

807
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: cried fake tears for Greg and real tears only for yourself.

808
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: On the outside, you are smart and beautiful. On the inside,

809
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: you are a lying, calculating, manipulating person that cares only

810
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: about herself. You repaid Gregg for his kindness in the

811
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: worst imaginable way. You killed him, and then you lied

812
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: about it. Then Bertrand himself asked to address Kristen and said,

813
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: Chris didn't like Medea. You wielded your black magic to

814
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: poison your husband. You're cunning and deceitful. This went undetected

815
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: by Greg because in his world a person as evil

816
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: as you did not exist. He saved you from the

817
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: deepest valley of despair and lifted you to the highest

818
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: peak of success when you reached the topic. Your reward

819
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: to him was to push him off the cliff when

820
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking. You are an example of the most

821
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: sinister darkness that exists in the world. Kristen Rawson was

822
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. To date,

823
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: Kristen has lost all her attempts at appeal. Her latest

824
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: attempts in two thousand and thirteen, based on claims of

825
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: ineffective assistance of counsel, were also denied. It was discovered

826
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand and thirteen that the San Diego authorities

827
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: quietly filed a felony conspiracy complaint and issued in a

828
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: best warrant under a sealed indictment against doctor Michael Robertson.

829
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: It is thought that this is to preserve the statute

830
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: of limitations. To date, no attempts to extradite Dr Robertson

831
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: have taken place. Doctor Michael Robertson currently runs a forensic

832
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: consulting service in Brisbane. He was recently an expert witness

833
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: in the highly publicized Alison Baden Clay trial in Australia.

834
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: The devillers were awarded one point five million dollars plus

835
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: court costs of twenty seven thousand dollars against the City

836
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: of San Diego in the wrongful death case of Greg

837
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: de Villers. The courts awarded a verdict in the wrongful

838
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: death lawsuit against Kristen Rossum in the amount of four

839
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: point five million dollars in compensatory damages and ten million

840
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: dollars impunitive damages, thus successfully preventing either her or her

841
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: family from profiting off the death of Greg de Vellers.

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00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: I would like to thank the new Patreon supporters Anna,

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Speaker 1: Lena E. Kate from Ignorance was Bliss Podcast, j W

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Speaker 1: B Stacy and Beyond Contempt Podcast. And again I'd like

845
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: to thank the following people for helping us with this

846
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: two part series. Stephanie Moore for your incredible research in scriptwriting,

847
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Saw You're Westbrook and the team from Resonate Recordings for

848
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: your help editing the show. And finally to Devin, Steve

849
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Speaker 1: and Joe from Thinking Sideways. It was a genuine pleasure

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Speaker 1: I'm Leany hosted the true crime fan club podcasts, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to tell you about my brand new podcast

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Speaker 1: called It's Haunted What Now. It's a podcast that brings

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Speaker 1: you true stories about haunted objects and the owners who

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Speaker 1: unknowingly welcomed them into their lives. Join me as I

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Speaker 1: it's Melissa and Mandy with the Moms and Murder podcast.

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Speaker 1: For a true crime podcast, it's sure to make you

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Speaker 1: laugh without compromising the seriousness of the content. Despite our name,

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Speaker 1: we aren't just for the moms. Our show is for

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Speaker 1: all the diet coke drinking, sick and loving dateline watching

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Speaker 1: for the witty humor and pop culture references. And you

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Speaker 1: Alie Sweeney. The neighbors suggested that perhaps Kathleen had been

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Speaker 1: and Alie Sweeney, but so judge. Check out Moms and

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Speaker 1: Murder anywhere podcasts are found the Minds of Madness can

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