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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel

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Speaker 1: one two. Imagine your boy calling and calling and calling

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Speaker 1: nine one one as his life slowly slips away and

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Speaker 1: nothing happens. Kyle Plush a boy found dead in his

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Speaker 1: family's van. It was parked in a lot of a

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Speaker 1: private school in Madisonville, Ohio. The corner says the boy

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Speaker 1: was crushed dead by the third row seat of the van,

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Speaker 1: but he used sirie to call nine one one just

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Speaker 1: after three pm, saying he was trapped in a Honda van.

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Speaker 1: Directed police too. Y Am, the boy is dead, crushed

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Speaker 1: in the back of the van by a vance seat.

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. May it never happen again. Listen to

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Speaker 1: Kyle's nine one one call. Oh nine is the address

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Speaker 1: on the Seven Hills parking on Where are you? I

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Speaker 1: can barely stand to hear it. There you hear the boy,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Plush, begging, begging police to come to him. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how it happened. Um. I know that he

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Speaker 1: was part an overflow parking lot within plain sight, but

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Speaker 1: cops didn't check it. Then later that night, the mom

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Speaker 1: calls nine one one to report her boy missing, saying

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Speaker 1: he failed to show up at a tennis match or

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Speaker 1: to come home. Listen, my son never came from home

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Speaker 1: from school, and we thought he was at a tennis match.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen years old. He was driving a gold Hunda van.

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Speaker 1: He said, you need to hear the tennis match to

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Speaker 1: via a delta. He never went to the tennis match.

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Speaker 1: One of my friends called the coach and just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes ago, and the coach study never went to

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Speaker 1: the tennis match. I don't understand how everything went so sideways.

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Speaker 1: Let me go first to forensics expert, Professor of Forensics

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, Please

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Speaker 1: in regular people talk, what happened to this boy? How

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Speaker 1: long did it take for him to die? He had

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Speaker 1: the wherewithal took, say Siri, call nine one one. He

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Speaker 1: could do that. He called nine one one. He told

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Speaker 1: them exactly where he was and quote, I don't have

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Speaker 1: much time left. I'm dying. Yeah, he's slowly, slowly running

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Speaker 1: out of breath at this point, Nancy, Uh, he's essentially

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Speaker 1: inverted or upside down, head down, laying over the back,

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Speaker 1: of the seat. The seat has given away, and he

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Speaker 1: is essentially being crushed by not just a seat, but

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Speaker 1: And in uh, in our terms in forensic pathology, we

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Speaker 1: refer to this as a as a positional asphyxia death,

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Speaker 1: which means that due to the position that you're in,

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Speaker 1: this facilitates your inability to take oxygen into your body.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened to this poork it, Nancy. Just

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Speaker 1: imagine a gigantic weight being pressed on your chest so

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Speaker 1: that every time you exhale that that space becomes more

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Speaker 1: diminished in there that handles oxygen. He slowly runs out

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Speaker 1: of oxygen. He hasn't awareness long enough to be able

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Speaker 1: to call via serie to get the call into nine

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Speaker 1: one one. But when he said please help me, I'm dying,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't kidding. And this is not a quick death, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: This is slow languishing. Uh, just an impending kind of

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Speaker 1: horrible position to be in. And he received no relief,

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Speaker 1: no help, nothing. He was Uh, he was well. That

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Speaker 1: first time on call was not the end of it.

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Speaker 1: He calls back, Hello, where are you? Probably much time

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Speaker 1: of life to tell my mom, did I love her

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Speaker 1: if I die? Yes, to try to joke joke, I'm

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Speaker 1: trapped inside my old in the pelopor Tarking where Steven

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Speaker 1: Hair kill death JN Dollas, there's immediate list. I'm almost dead,

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Speaker 1: he calls back. Now the dispatch says she couldn't hear anything,

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Speaker 1: but plus can be heard speaking when you listen to

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Speaker 1: her if I die. I can hardly even take that

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Speaker 1: in thinking about my boy or girl. And I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at all of the the graphics of it looks like

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Speaker 1: he may have gone to the back of the van.

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Speaker 1: This is a Honda van, a Honda Odyssey van. It

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Speaker 1: looks like which I am, my children have done a

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Speaker 1: won't ever do it again. It looks like he went

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Speaker 1: It looks like he was facing the back of the van,

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Speaker 1: He's crushed at the waist, hanging upside down with his

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Speaker 1: that has now collapsed backwards. Is there any easier way

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Speaker 1: to say it with me? Crime Stories investigative reporter Pamela

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Speaker 1: fur Is there a better way to explain? His feet

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Speaker 1: which is now tilted backwards. Pam, you you have the

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Speaker 1: best description, I think, uh there is. And what is

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Speaker 1: mind boggling is that the police officers that were dispatched

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Speaker 1: did not look far enough into the parking lots of

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Speaker 1: in trouble like that. Uh, that's that's the part that

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Speaker 1: has this community in an uproar that these officers did

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Speaker 1: not act in time. I guess so. The corner says.

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Speaker 1: The boy is crushed dead by the third row seat.

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Speaker 1: Kyle used Syria to call nine one one just after

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Speaker 1: three o'clock getting out of school to tell them he's

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Speaker 1: trapped in a Honda van. He gives them the location.

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Speaker 1: Body cam video off the cops show the two police

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Speaker 1: to go look for the boy. Video shows they searched

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Speaker 1: for just three minutes before leaving the scene. Pull Ease

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Speaker 1: reports say they searched eleven minutes, three minutes. The boy's

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Speaker 1: van was in the overflow parking lot across the street,

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Speaker 1: which the officers never went to. That night, Little Kyle

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Speaker 1: is found dead at nine pm by his father, Ron

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's Can you even imagine? Take a listen to the

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Speaker 1: natural sound of the police body cams as they cruised

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Speaker 1: by the school responding to the nine one one call

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Speaker 1: one cops sing I don't see nobody, which I didn't

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Speaker 1: imagine I would music playing in the background. One officer commedy,

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Speaker 1: these kids drive better cars than you do. Listen better

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Speaker 1: card looking at scientist, little huddle of brower summer By,

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Speaker 1: don't imagine I would bind the grogle of bet who

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Speaker 1: got under cut, meddle of brower. You want me know

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Speaker 1: anyone's good spina, you know to Karen Stark New York

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Speaker 1: Psychologists joining us Karen. Under any other circumstances, it probably

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Speaker 1: would not be so offensive that one cops saying I

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Speaker 1: these kids drive better cars than you do. Under other circumstances,

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Speaker 1: you know, that would be okay. But here it highlights

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Speaker 1: the fact they really didn't look for the boys. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing in these particular circumstances that is okay. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: that's right about what they're doing, because it wasn't a joke.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a kid who was trying to engage the

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Speaker 1: they were there. It's it's such a tragedy. It's a terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible story. I could see, Nancy, how it would bring

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Speaker 1: up what if this happened to my kids? Because you

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Speaker 1: hear this poor boy who's who's pleading for help, and

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Speaker 1: the police are not taking it seriously, making any kind

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Speaker 1: of an effort to find him. None And the whole

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Speaker 1: time in the nine one one call, it's not just

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Speaker 1: the cops who didn't get out of the they didn't

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Speaker 1: first go even go to the right parking lot and

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Speaker 1: look for the Honda okay number one, number two. This

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Speaker 1: responding officers. The boy said, I'm going to die here.

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Speaker 1: nine one one call. Listen again. What can we learn

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Speaker 1: are you? Hello? Where are you? Probably don't have much

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Speaker 1: if I died you you rita hill. This is night

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Speaker 1: a joke. I'm snapping tide. My old turned on to

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Speaker 1: The van Kyle z Van was parking the parking lot

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Speaker 1: to Joseph's got Morgan forensics expert, how did it happen

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Speaker 1: Kyle himself, but it shows a diagram of what happened.

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Speaker 1: Jo Scott explained to me technically how this boy died.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can bear hearing anymore about the

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Speaker 1: to save him. Yeah, it's it's heartbreaking, Nancy. The the weight,

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Speaker 1: He's he's trying to grab something apparently. Well, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 1: I thought that's why they built it that way, for

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Speaker 1: when of the latches that holds it in place, and

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it tipped backwards. So he is essentially

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Speaker 1: and the floor plays into this, the floorboard back there

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Speaker 1: as well, and all the while it's his own weight,

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Speaker 1: his body to be able to call Siri. And that's

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Speaker 1: what kind of is striking to this, Uh, that that

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Speaker 1: store help capture the killer clown. And guess who it is.

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00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: It's the wife's husband's then mistress. You know, Karen Stark,

430
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us from New York. Karen, the employees

431
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: where the husband worked way back when said they would

432
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: kiss at work. They would go off in different rooms

433
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and have sex at the office. I mean, it was

434
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: clear as the nose on our face right, certainly sounds

435
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: like at Nancy. And and that's where the suspicion, I'm

436
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: sure should have been, right at the very start. You

437
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: look to the person that's closest and what's going on

438
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: with them. They were so outrageous that they felt like

439
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: they had the right, the entitlement to be able to

440
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: be open in that way. And this woman seemed to

441
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: believe that this clown costume would be the best idea

442
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: to be able to keep prod this off. And she did,

443
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very disturbing with me, is Allan

444
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: deep the duke joining me from l A. Allen? Wasn't

445
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: there financial incentive as well for his wife to be dead? Well?

446
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: She owned a number of the family businesses. This was

447
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: a successful family. They lived in a really upscale community.

448
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean this, this was the community where they had

449
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: a landing strip and an airplane hangar at every home.

450
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: So these these were people who had money, and they

451
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: had some significant businesses, and they were the wife's name.

452
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: But there's reason to believe the wife was on to

453
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: something happening with her husband messing around and and and

454
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: there's indications now that that she was ready to leave

455
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: him kinda said goodbye to half of those assets. Alan,

456
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: do you I mean at your age? You know, offense,

457
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: but I would assume you're a Beatles fan, don't you

458
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: know money can't buy you love. He starts talking about

459
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: these big houses and airplane hangars. You know what. Of

460
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: course the old saying here and start the love of

461
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: money is the root of all evil, And that turns

462
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: out to be true in this instance. There's no doubt

463
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: about it. But what is just so incredible is that

464
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: she felt that she could get away with wearing this

465
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: clown costume, and it was so outrageous that she actually

466
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: did get away with it, because how are you going

467
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: in those days to trace the costume? Well, listen to this.

468
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Uh in the last hour, Joe Aarons and family friend

469
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: Jeanie Pratt were actually in the home of the murdered mom,

470
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: Marlene Warren, back at the time of the incident when

471
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: she was murdered. And here they are talking to CBS

472
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: reporter Peter van Zant with forty eight hours. Take a

473
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: listen to this. What do you remember of I remember

474
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: that being one of the most terrible days of my life.

475
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: You're in the house with your mom, right, yes, what's

476
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: going on? Well, typical morning. She and I were cooking

477
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: breakfast that morning, joking, carrying on. Did Marlene have any

478
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: enemies in this world? None? Everybody loved her. She was

479
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: my everything, my mom, my friend. She was by everything.

480
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: I was in the living room probably remember that lamp

481
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: is I sat down the eats, there was a balloon

482
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: and some clown coming at the door. Look at that client.

483
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: She was going to that door. She was excited when

484
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: your mother opened the door, did she say something, Oh,

485
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: how pretty? At first we thought maybe it was a

486
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: balloon pop. But when we saw her fall we knew

487
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: something was definite least seriously wrong. We had no clue

488
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: what was going on. It was like the whole world

489
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: was in slow motion. Did the clowns say anything? Nothing,

490
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: not a word. The clown slowly walked back to the

491
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: car like no care in the world. You are listening

492
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: to what happened the day that this young mom, Rolene

493
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: Warren was shot down at her own front door. And

494
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: it should have been a really big clue aland which

495
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: we really haven't focused on as you and I have

496
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: tried to unravel this. I mean, I always thought it

497
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: was the mistress, uh, but the police didn't have the proof,

498
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: the hard evidence. These hire fibers with advanced DNA technology

499
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: gave them that. But the clue, Allan, the clown didn't run.

500
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: The clown was in no hurry to get to the car.

501
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: Why because she knew she would not be rented out

502
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: by the husband. Yeah, she was very cold blooded. If

503
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: this was a he or a she a lot of

504
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: confidence and didn't even bother to screech away out of

505
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: the driveway in the getaway car, just drove away. Take

506
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: a listen as Errands and Pratt describe the aftermath of

507
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: the murder. Gunshot, and she goes, yes, your mother is lying.

508
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Were on the floor right there. It was just a

509
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: horrible feeling. Joe was living at home and his friends

510
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: were over that morning, including Genie Pratt, who helped tend

511
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: to Marlene. A neighbor called I was right next to

512
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: her and our roll her to her side. Was a

513
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: big hole in her cheek and upper lip. Joe, hobbled

514
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: by a broken leg and cast followed the clown outside

515
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: the shooter's car, a white Chrysler le Baron was parked

516
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: in the driveway. The car was right here, the door

517
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: was open, the car was running. I tried to get

518
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: the clown to turn around. I called him every word

519
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: in the book. The shooter looked back. Joe saw white

520
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig, and the

521
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: eyes of the person who had just shot his mother,

522
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: just really dark brown eyes. The shooter calmly got in

523
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: the car and drove away. Didn't even squeal. Attire just

524
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: drove off like nothing happened. Joe made his way to

525
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: his own car. Joey was running around, hurting and say

526
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: oh for him, like you're not going anywhere by yourself.

527
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Gennie Pratt jumped in the car with him. I just

528
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: punched it to try to catch up to that car.

529
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I never could never could catch it. It was like

530
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: just disappeared. So I turned back and came back. That's

531
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: just heartbreaking. As you hear them describe when the mom

532
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: gets shot down, he describes seeing the clown's eyes through

533
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: all that makeup as being dark brown, and sure enough,

534
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Sheila Keen, who later becomes Sheila Keen Warren when she

535
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: marries Marline's then husband, has dark brown eyes. They were

536
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: rumored to be having a secret sex relationship before they

537
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: were married pretty quick, fairly soon after the murder. Now,

538
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: this is what we know. Prosecutors have released evidence, and

539
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: we know that they were having a hard time pinning

540
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: anybody with the murder because she was wearing clown costume,

541
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: white makeup, the wig, the outfit. We also know that

542
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: she was there in the clown suit and nobody could

543
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: identify really her height or any thing. Further than that,

544
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: the people at the store were tracked down where she

545
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: bought the balloons and flowers. A woman matching the mistress's

546
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: description bought them, but they couldn't positively say it was her,

547
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: so the prosecutor's hands were tied. Take a listen as

548
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Joe describes his mom in the hospital as he talks

549
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: as he's speaking to CBS reporter Peter van Zante with

550
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: forty eight Hours. Listen, first thing, I didn't grab her hand,

551
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, and try to talk to her, you know,

552
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: just try to get some kind of response, you know,

553
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: and there was nothing. I just want to see my mom.

554
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: I just stayed in that room for hours at a

555
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: time as his mother clung to life. Joe remained by

556
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: her side at the hospital. What were you saying to her?

557
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: I love you, Please don't leave, mom. I just keep saying, mom. Oh,

558
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: you know. Karen Stark, renowned psychology, is joining us from

559
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: New York. Karen. That reminds me so much of standing

560
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: by my father in the bed at the hospital and

561
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: right right beside his left ear, and I would whisper

562
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: in his ear. Everybody else was saying, Mac, you can go,

563
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: you can go. I was whispering, don't go, Daddy, don't go.

564
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Come back to me. Please let me make a cup

565
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: of decaf, Please come back, don't go, And just looking

566
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: for any hint that he could hear me. And I'm

567
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: imagining this son by his mother, just begging her to

568
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: come back. And that's trauma, Nancy. What you're remembering that

569
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: part about telling your dad not to go, because it's

570
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: very hard to let go of somebody that you love

571
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that much. And here about even though you understand that

572
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: it's important to tell them that they can leave, here's

573
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: the guy who's so traumatized and it's certainly untimely, and

574
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: he's pleading with his mom to stay with him because

575
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: he's devastated. This woman was not supposed to die. Nothing

576
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: was supposed to happen to her. And if you think

577
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: about the events and how they unfolded, it's so horrific

578
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: that he'll be traumatized for the rest of his life.

579
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: You know. I think about those moments, and it was

580
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: not because of a violent act. You know, when my

581
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: fiancee was murdered and died of a violent act, that's

582
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: even harder to get over. I cannot imagine losing your

583
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: mom to a violent act. And I was thinking about this, actually,

584
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: I thought about it after Jackie put it in my

585
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: head and with me in the studios Jackie Howard. Can

586
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: you imagine Karen Stark, this mistress looking at herself in

587
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: the mirror that morning as she was applying the white

588
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: all makeup, knowing she was painting up, suiting up to

589
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: go commit a murder. I would suspect Nancy. And I

590
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: think that although this is hard for people listening to

591
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: really understand, this person was putting on that clown makeup

592
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: and excited. She was actually excited about what she was

593
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: about to pull off. She wouldn't have been able to

594
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: do it if she hadn't been. And that's what happens

595
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 1: to someone who's associopath is able to commit a crime

596
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: like that. They are really excited. The adrenaline is pumping

597
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: with me. As private investigator Extraordinaire Vincent Hill, Vincent, I

598
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: always suspected that the mistress did it, but the police

599
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: said they just did not have enough hard evidence. Until now.

600
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: The evidence includes hair fiber found in the getaway car. Okay,

601
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: before they could not really match that up because they

602
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: didn't have the right DNA technology. It must have been mitochondrial. Uh,

603
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: there was hair fiber. There are hair fibers in the

604
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: getaway car. A public receipt, public grocery store receipt workers

605
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: at a costume rental store who helped capture a quote

606
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: killer clown twenty seven years after she shoots dead her

607
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: husband's first wife, vincent Um, I would have been tempted

608
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: to make a circumstantial case out of what I had.

609
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's great to have a circumstantial case,

610
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: but it's even better, Nancy, to have that DNA evidence.

611
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: And thankfully, you know, in eighteen there's so much advancement

612
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: in DNA versus in nine when this first happened, So

613
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, investigators unfortunately then didn't want to try to

614
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: prosecute this case for her to walk because you know,

615
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: double jeopardy. But I think it's it's case moves forward

616
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: with the advancements in DNA, I think we're going to

617
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: see a conviction. Take a listen to Marlene's mother, Surely Twing,

618
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: talking to Peter van Zan. She says, if anything happens

619
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: to me, Mike did it. So there must have been

620
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: one heck of a fight. What did that tell you?

621
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I told her she could come home. Oh if she

622
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: had only come home, Karen Stark, psychologist, can I tell you?

623
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: I can't because I don't know how many women have said,

624
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: if I end up dead, he did it, all right,

625
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: and sometimes vice versa. Alright, if I end up dead,

626
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: she did it. But nobody does anything at the time

627
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: because you really don't think some of the perp is

628
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: capable of murder. That's right, Nancy, That's that's exactly what happens.

629
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: And I can't understand that, can't you. I mean, your

630
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: mind is been capable of grasping the fact that somebody

631
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that you love, that you live with would be able

632
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: to do that, and yet deep in your unconscious you

633
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: begin to suspect that something is really wrong, and if

634
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: something happens to you, you want someone to know that

635
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: the other person is responsible. It's a hard book that's

636
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: relating to live in well. It culminates. Take a listen

637
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: to Virginia police and Abington, Virginia woman has been arrested

638
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: and charged with a twenty seven year old capital murder

639
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: case that originated out of Palm Beach County, Florida. The

640
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: Worston County, Virginia Sheriff's Office Criminal Investigative Division received information

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Speaker 1: from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office that they had

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Speaker 1: obtained information in lead king Sheila Keene Warren of Abington,

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Speaker 1: Virginia to the homicide of Marlene Warren and proximately five

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Speaker 1: thirty This afternoon, members of the Worston County, Virginia Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 1: along with members of the US United States Marshal Service,

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, and the On Beach State

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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office arrested fifty four year old Sheila Keen Warren.

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Speaker 1: She's been charged with first degree murder with the firearm

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Speaker 1: of Marvelne and Warren. She's been transported to the Abington

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Speaker 1: facility of the Southwest Virginia Regional Jail in Abington, where

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Speaker 1: she has awaiting extradition back to Palm Beach County Park.

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Speaker 1: The subspect of the arrestie walked up to the front

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Speaker 1: door with the balloons UH in her hand. UH. The

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Speaker 1: deceased victim came to the front door and was shot

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Speaker 1: at that location. I think anytime you have a cold

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Speaker 1: case that goes on for that period of time and

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Speaker 1: are able to bring it to a successful conclusion, because

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Speaker 1: I know there's been hundreds, if not thousands of man

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Speaker 1: hours they have put in in the last twenty seven years,

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Speaker 1: and I think that shows the diligence of the uh

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach State Attorney's Office as well as the Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach Sheriff's Office that they didn't, you know, just because

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Speaker 1: the case was getting colder and older. You know. Their

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Speaker 1: deligence obviously proved that UH there was successful in the

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Speaker 1: in the arrest Sheila Keene Warren, the mistress turned wife,

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Speaker 1: was it worth it? She's now arrested on a charge

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Speaker 1: our first degree murder and the shooting death of Marlene Warren.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend,