WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Biggest Position Of Need?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait Well with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, am Bar Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Derek Eagleton. Good morning, Cowboys Nation, wherever you are

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're listening to this. Thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the break. No, I am not Derek Eagleton. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what episode number this is, nor do

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<v Speaker 1>I care. Yeah. Um, our two bosses just decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to come to work today, So I am joined in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio by well Amber Garcia holding it down. Fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of our cast is here, joined by the lovely

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<v Speaker 1>Brian broad Us, who agreed to come in and salvage

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<v Speaker 1>our show today with half of our castetting out. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining us, my man, I feel like big

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<v Speaker 1>guy for two guys. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's kind of the approach I've taken today.

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<v Speaker 1>How are y'all doing? Happy birthday too? You? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm start please Yeah, one more time, one more time. Okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is me. Oh God, Kelsey Charles. It's a happy

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<v Speaker 1>birthday from Kelsey too, it is. It is my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm DeMarco Murray years old. Thank y'all. Yeah, not not

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<v Speaker 1>what we're here for, though, we're here to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys football. I'm gonna do the Derek thing real quick, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna hit on some injury stuff real quick. David

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<v Speaker 1>Irving did not practice yesterday, still dealing with his concussion.

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<v Speaker 1>How word are you about that? Yeah? I think that

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<v Speaker 1>we've all kind of learned. I know, Ambar and I

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<v Speaker 1>did our periscope yesterday and we were talking about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's one of those things where if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you say, okay, he's doing things on the side. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if him practice today. The pattern for them

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<v Speaker 1>has been you practice, then we'll see how you are

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, and then you go from there. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, now we're into the motive. If he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't do anything today, that takes him into Friday. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when when it's been the two days

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<v Speaker 1>in a row thing. We've seen it with Jeff Heath.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw it last week with him with David Irving,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit skeptical if if he's going to play,

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<v Speaker 1>so today is a huge, huge day for him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they need him, I really really do. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to figure out, now what to do? You

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<v Speaker 1>know at that three technique ross moving guys around in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? You know? Neil? I mean, who who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that guy? I reserve the right to

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong. I'm wrong all the time, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>none of our profession. It's true when I mean, when

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<v Speaker 1>you talk for an hour every day for a living,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be right about everything. Right. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I have an inkling like he's going to do something

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<v Speaker 1>today the practice. Yeah, okay, if that's the case. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, then you know, all all your bets

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<v Speaker 1>are off. But this is one of those ones that

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<v Speaker 1>surprised me because I don't really know. I'm asking people

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<v Speaker 1>when it happened, and he well, he had the long weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that happened and on a Thursday night. He

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<v Speaker 1>had the long weekend. And I'd hate to make light

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<v Speaker 1>of a head injury, but you would think that the

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<v Speaker 1>extra time off would help him out in that regard. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely do, But I just I worry about, like

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<v Speaker 1>I say, show me practicing today. Yeah, and because if

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't practice today, if he shows up as a

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<v Speaker 1>DNP or limited, you know, tell me what point limited

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<v Speaker 1>is it? Is it taken one rep per eight? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't be that guy. I'm holding out hope

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<v Speaker 1>that he gets out there, Okay, and if he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>we can revisit this. Neat him to play in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you with this offensive line. Yeah, Tyrant

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and Lyle Collins both didn't practice, but we're into

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<v Speaker 1>a we're into a routine with them, right, Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we were talking about that yesterday, Brian and I.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the things that now it's at

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<v Speaker 1>first it was worried some like you were concerned, but

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, after seeing how it's being week by week,

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<v Speaker 1>you begin to say, Okay, maybe that's just what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least for alcohol. And he's been good so

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<v Speaker 1>far and that hasn't really affected his way of playing

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<v Speaker 1>and soul. Yeah, hasn't. I was gonna ask you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you surprised how well Collins has played without practicing, Yes, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like unbelievably. I mean, he's it's not like he's playing

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<v Speaker 1>against Slappy's. He's playing against some legitimate and you and

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<v Speaker 1>you put the list together on Twitter, yeah, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and to me, I'm thinking, this guy needs to practice.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to know the assignments he's got. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I think my discussion we had on our

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<v Speaker 1>show yesterday was about the fact that he's playing next

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<v Speaker 1>to Zach Martin. I think helps. Yeah, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>playing next to a guy that wasn't any good, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, you're not practicing. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's times where Zach Martin helped him. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>if there was a little bit of a mess, he

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of clean up the mess where if he

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<v Speaker 1>had a guy a little bit less of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>say you had h John Jerry for the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for the for the New York Giants playing in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe it's a little bit more like boy,

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<v Speaker 1>he needs a pride. You know. What's amazing to me

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<v Speaker 1>is not too long ago we were talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>guy trying to kind of get used to the position

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to play well and consistent. You're right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not even practicing, and he's still doing great. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett doesn't want to hear me say this, but like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he just shouldn't practice because he looks awesome out

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<v Speaker 1>there without any practice time. I mean, he's going against

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<v Speaker 1>JPP and Olivier Vernon and Ryan Carrigan. I'm gonna walk

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<v Speaker 1>to the edge here with you, guys. I'm gonna walk

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<v Speaker 1>to the edge and stand and look over the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he one of your top three offensive linemen? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Has he? Has he been playing as one of your

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<v Speaker 1>top three of the five guys? Oh? Ye? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott say, I don't know if I can follow you

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<v Speaker 1>there yet. I know Tyron Smith, this is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm loving what she's saying about. Hey, he's playing well,

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<v Speaker 1>and you and your name is definitely getting up there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like right there on the line. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>a down season for Tyring. He's battled injuries, He's been

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<v Speaker 1>called for holding five times. He negated a big touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>against what was in LA. I've been chargers. I still

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he's a better player than Lyle right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a knock on life again, just to this

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<v Speaker 1>season what you've seen so far. Yeah, I still I

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<v Speaker 1>stand by that life's trying to draw you guys off side,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't do it. Oh, come on, couldn't do it? Okay, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of seeing the level of where you're at.

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<v Speaker 1>I now know here's a phrase that really scares me.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh it's James Hannah DNP with a knee with a

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<v Speaker 1>knee specifically because that's been an issue for him. I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly I apologize. I don't have a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>info about it. He's the classic guy that Jason Garrett's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna give you in for injury information unless you ask.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta ask. Well, we didn't know James Hannah had

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<v Speaker 1>a problem until he didn't show up for PRAC this yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's something that we're going to keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on going forward this week. I don't have a big

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<v Speaker 1>update for you other than that, Yeah, hey, no, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a heck of a catch, great cash. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>ask you this, though, are you you feel better about

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<v Speaker 1>about Jeff Swaying as a blocker as opposed to what

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<v Speaker 1>you have with James Hannah From what you got. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are there every day, you're in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of all that you're watching these games and am I crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean this as a knock on Jeff Swam.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's had a bad year. But I

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was better last year. He stood out more

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<v Speaker 1>like more better place. He was more of a part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It seemed like like you saw his contributions

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. He had those boot actions. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never I mean the fourth down against Washington, that's I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that that's the number one play in his highlight

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<v Speaker 1>reel to this point in his career. I would think

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<v Speaker 1>she'll tell you though, that you watched the toss sweep,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the toss sweep that they had that scored

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<v Speaker 1>with they scored with Rod Smith who who crashed the who?

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<v Speaker 1>Thereything crashed down inside. I think he's a very underrated

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<v Speaker 1>player for this team. I do. I think Jeff Swain

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those guys. And here we are having

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<v Speaker 1>tight in talk. But it brings into what Hannah sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't feel terrible about James Hannah not

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<v Speaker 1>practicing knowing what I know about what I think I

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<v Speaker 1>can get from Jeff Swain. And and and I know

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<v Speaker 1>we had a he had a great catch the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a great extent catch sure, But how many

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<v Speaker 1>times have we said, oh, they threw the ball to

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah again and it's incomplete, and it's oh, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but they don't throw him the ball. And

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<v Speaker 1>you could say the same thing now about Jeff Swain,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to make an argument, I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I'm not trying to knock anybody, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that the drop off from Witt and Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>Swain to Witten Swain Jarwin is like something that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sink them, you know what I mean, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I think you can get by, it'll sink

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<v Speaker 1>you if you don't block that. Well, sure, Jlio Mack,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's your plan. Yeah, no, Well we just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Alile's got that he's gonna hold it, don't all

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<v Speaker 1>by himself. It's fine. I would kind of look maybe

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<v Speaker 1>give him a little bit of hot I'd look for

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<v Speaker 1>a little help over and that I said this just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just being on your show. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>a little insight, little help. That's some next level insight

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<v Speaker 1>right there. You gotta block Khalil Mack gotta that's not

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<v Speaker 1>next level at all. Um, all right, I'm gonna switch gears.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Bryce Butler was a DNPA. He wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>active on Sunday. I mean, we'll see how he goes

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<v Speaker 1>as the week goes on. But I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you. We did Oakland's offense yesterday, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you about Amari Cooper. Yeah, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he's gonna play. Look limpy in that case

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<v Speaker 1>game he looked very limpy. He's got a bad ankle.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Like. I mean, we're not gonna know until the

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<v Speaker 1>week goes on a little bit more. But tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>like why why what's going on with they they are

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<v Speaker 1>not catching the ball? Well, that group is not catching

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<v Speaker 1>the ball as a whole. I think that has been

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<v Speaker 1>a big, big issue. You know, you think the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were on talking Raiders or the Raiders break

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, we'd be talking about why these receivers not

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<v Speaker 1>catching the football. I mean that's a big, big issue

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<v Speaker 1>for these guys. You watch the ball going down the field.

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<v Speaker 1>The cow Boys need to make this a contested game.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to make this a contested game with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the Oakland receivers. Don't give them any free access.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let them drive on ball, don't let them do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to get their hands on football. Because every play

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen so far that they've had drops on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it has been contested stuff. You just

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<v Speaker 1>can't teams that have got to the Raiders receivers, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been contested footballs that's made them drop the ball. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you attribute this to? It's I think the parallels

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<v Speaker 1>are really interesting. We talked about this before. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>these are arguably, based on the expectation and where we're

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<v Speaker 1>at now, maybe the two most disappointing teams in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you could throw the Buccaneers in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's now. And now with the whether Denver Broncos started

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<v Speaker 1>in what they are now, that's another one of those

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<v Speaker 1>disappointing teams. Do you agree with my overall point? Oh? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I do so. And another similarity, these wide receiver corps

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<v Speaker 1>are not having great seasons. No, they're not. We can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it for the Cowboys. I mean we've hit

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of those issues. Separation, quarterback accuracy, that's

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<v Speaker 1>and you're telling so you're telling me these Oakland receivers

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<v Speaker 1>just can't beat coverage. So they've they've really they've struggled.

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<v Speaker 1>They have. I mean, you watch what Kansas City was

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<v Speaker 1>able to do to them and even to the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>to a point. You know, they they contested a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of footballs. And I was going to ask Ambar about

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<v Speaker 1>this because we always talk about the young secondary. Can't

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<v Speaker 1>can this defense make contested plays with what you've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>guys from Cheeto and Lewis, I'm a little if you

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<v Speaker 1>on Scandrick going this weekend. By the way, Yeah we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even hit you didn't mention him, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you about that. Fine, you threw a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of shade all three. I'm just saying. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I liked what I've seen from the rookie so far,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, they've done a good job. Yeah they haven't perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've done a good job. And honestly, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything better than that. It's all yeah, So okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel good though that you can go out and

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<v Speaker 1>make contested plays in this game. These dudes. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I say these dudes, I mean Cheeto and Jordan and

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<v Speaker 1>n Xavier, like they made plays on the ball on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday A yeah, afternoon. I always want to say night,

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<v Speaker 1>but they played at noon. Yeah, I mean Jordan Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>can tests everything that comes his way. Cheeto made the

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<v Speaker 1>play that led to the Shawn Lee interception. It tests

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<v Speaker 1>the ball inside too. Yeah, maybe it should have been

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<v Speaker 1>a flag, but he broke up that pass down the

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<v Speaker 1>sideline where he kind of launched himself. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think he kind of got away with one a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't get called, so it counts as a

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<v Speaker 1>good play in my book. Yeah, I'm I'm intrigued and

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<v Speaker 1>excited about what I see from those guys in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that they do those types of things where they're

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<v Speaker 1>making plays on the ball in the air if they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done it yet, but I could see them reading

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<v Speaker 1>a route and maybe jumping a ball, like how how

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<v Speaker 1>long has it been since we saw a Dallas cornerback

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<v Speaker 1>Like jump a route? Yeah, I'll knock one down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let the ball get inside. That's how I see.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I ask you real quick though, too, about

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<v Speaker 1>that that whole thing though, you know, playing routes and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Would it surprise you though if they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get Anthony brownmore involved saying some slot stuff

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<v Speaker 1>instead of Woods, Are you okay, you're obvious, okay with

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<v Speaker 1>what you've seen with the majority of the things, But

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<v Speaker 1>if you had to pick one thing out, do you

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<v Speaker 1>worry about Woods playing in the slot? I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Woods has been bad, but I don't know that I've

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<v Speaker 1>see a trust him. It hasn't looked so amazing that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just comfortable like he's just shutting people down, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And honest, I mean he I think he's a safety

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<v Speaker 1>and he just doesn't Obviously he's got quick twitch and

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<v Speaker 1>athleticis I mean, he's an NFL defensive back, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>not as faster as quick as Anthony Brown is. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like. I mean, I think Anthony Brown's skill set

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<v Speaker 1>fits that a little bit. See, I think they're in

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<v Speaker 1>that mode MBAR where they're gonna think about do we

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<v Speaker 1>see do we see? Okay? Do we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Brown on the field. We need to get his

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<v Speaker 1>confidence back, you know? And is playing the slot going

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<v Speaker 1>to get his confidence back? And is he a better

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<v Speaker 1>option in the slot than Xavier Woods? I would I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess it's probably about the same right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, I'm I'm into seeing what he

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<v Speaker 1>can I feel like I've seen more noticeable mistakes from

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Brown over the course of the year. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But she's not wrong. I would argue that's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find a spot right now. You're right about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue that he's been on the field more

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<v Speaker 1>than exaction he has. True. And so I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>larger your sample size, especially at defensive back, the large

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<v Speaker 1>the larger chance you're gonna mess up. I know, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get to break something here. We got, okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes, shortleash, long leash. Now of what you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>with has your opinion of those guys gone from a

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<v Speaker 1>short leash to okay, we need Scandric out there, we

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<v Speaker 1>need you know, we need Brown out there? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it for the young guys? Is it a longer leash? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is a really I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say fun but it's an interesting spot for the secondary

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<v Speaker 1>for me because I think everybody's got a long leash,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, the season is already well, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>you are hinging on being in the playoffs. Potentially you are,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like there's somebody else that's this massive upgrade. Well,

0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.440
<v Speaker 1>she said that that's exactly what she said. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando Scandrick has had a good season, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to make the Pro Bowl, and your safeties,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're shuffling your safeties you basically is that

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger question? I guess The point I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make is just that I want to see these young

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<v Speaker 1>guys because we've we've seen, we've seen what the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of this looks like. And to this point, the young

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<v Speaker 1>guys they haven't been amazing, but they haven't been so

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<v Speaker 1>bad that they just don't belong on the field, right Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not thinking about drafted a corner right at whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you draft, grow these guys into the fire, like the

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<v Speaker 1>whole cliche, iron sharpens, iron like, let them harden up

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<v Speaker 1>in the fire, and hopefully when they're done playing this month,

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<v Speaker 1>you can look at them as a strength of your

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<v Speaker 1>team going into twenty eighteen, whether you make the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>or not, you can sit back and say, man, we

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<v Speaker 1>got about six dbs that we really feel like can play.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you on board with them letting go of all

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<v Speaker 1>their defensive backs last year to play these kids? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, at the beginning of the season. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very concerning. We all know how bad the secondary was,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's finally getting to that point where to me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm really seeing some true improvement and something

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<v Speaker 1>that gives me hope moving forward. And we just had

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<v Speaker 1>to wait for these rookies to get healthy. They just had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, those hurdles along the way. That's the point

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the season, the hurdles and the health. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to get over the hurdles, but they had

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<v Speaker 1>to have their health. It's a shame it happened so

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<v Speaker 1>late in a year. Yeah, but I mean they're still playing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're still playing for a shot. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a shame that they couldn't in a week three after

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<v Speaker 1>the Denver debacle just say hey, this is what we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do. I would argue that, I mean, the secondary

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the reason why this team is where it is, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd be interesting to hear where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>with this. I mean, the run defense more than anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the income. That's what Sean Lee. Without Sean Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't it been, Yeah, I mean it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Lee Anthony Hitchins. You've missed both of them for

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<v Speaker 1>stretches of the season. Yeah, I mean this team hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten torched really in the passing game by anybody other

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<v Speaker 1>than maybe Aaron Rodgers up rivers. Well okay, yeah, that's that.

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<v Speaker 1>You got me there that I don't. It hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>this theme like if you twenty thirteen, you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at the second say, oh my god, yeah that was

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster. Yeah, it's been up and down, But like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm excited to see where it stands. When

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.680
<v Speaker 1>these guys have had a chance to play the whole

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<v Speaker 1>month of December and get some games. You might your

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<v Speaker 1>playoff lives might be in those kids hands, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>no time like the present to get some experience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not like it's not like there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Burry Church isn't on the sideline. He's in Jacksonville. So

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't have a better option anyway, you might

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<v Speaker 1>as well see what these guys got. Yeh. What was

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<v Speaker 1>Shaan Lee listed out on injury yesterday? Sean Lee? He limited?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was limited, But I think that's more

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<v Speaker 1>like him being Shawn Lee, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's maintenance. Yeah, mate, I mean he took a

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<v Speaker 1>series off in the game for maintenance. He's I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna put it. I think they're putting him in

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<v Speaker 1>the same boat as as Collins and Tied. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to practice m on Wednesday, and like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get Thursday. I mean, I know Jason Garrett's for practice,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am in favor of that, I think. And

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Lee's one guy. I am not worried about seeing

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<v Speaker 1>him not practicing during the week. Like, I'm okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to sit down, sit down, you deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>I trust you take Wednesday off, take Thursday too. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to help you play better. Hey, you are?

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<v Speaker 1>You are going at it all right? We gotta take

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<v Speaker 1>start us with a brief overview of just what we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at with this Oakland defense. Yeah, they've had their

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<v Speaker 1>share of struggles. That the problem that you know the

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<v Speaker 1>Giants last week they had the rushers, the secondary was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar situation of what's going on right now with the Raiders.

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<v Speaker 1>in routes. But what you have to be leary of

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<v Speaker 1>what they do is their pass rush. You have to

0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>be worried about Khalil Mack. You just cannot let him

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 1>take over a game. He's gonna play primarily over lyle Collins.

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.679
<v Speaker 1>They'd like to move him around, you know when you

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about him, Bruce Serving. This is another team again,

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 1>we've seen it now, it's been a trend the last

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 1>four weeks with teams having two legitimate pass rushers. So

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>your hope is that Tyrn Smith can can take Bruce

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Serving out of the game and don't have to worry

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 1>about him. But they will do something. Will they put

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Serving and then Khalil Mack on the same side

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of the field, and they'll try and wreck your scheme

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of maybe Okay, we're gonna slide the line this way,

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>or we're gonna single this, double that. So you just

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 1>have to be alert about, Okay, where it is going to,

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>where's fifty two and fifty one on the field, and

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 1>are they together? You know, that's where the identification needs

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to take place. But the pass rush is their best

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.440
<v Speaker 1>weapon when it comes to because they don't create any turnovers.

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.479
<v Speaker 1>This team just does not get any turnovers. And that's

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that's been a huge problem. Now it's good to hear

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.920
<v Speaker 1>watching the Giants game. Khalil Mack. They got down into

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>they got down in the red zone. Giants are trying

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to score right before the half. Gino Smith drops back

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and what happens. They blow the protection and then here

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>comes Khalil Mack around the edge. Tomahawks the ball out

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of Gino Smith's hands, Raiders recover ball going the other way.

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, everything bad has happened to you here you

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to score and then you just state

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.639
<v Speaker 1>but they don't. They don't create turnovers, they and they

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 1>don't intercept the ball. They don't get you know, that

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 1>was a fumble, sack fumble. But that's the thing I

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 1>would be worried about though. If you get in a

0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>situation where you do breakdowns on your offensive line, but

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to feel good about the way this offensive

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>line has played. The last you do, you do And

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>again we talked about I think Amber made a really

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 1>good point about the way Collins has played. I tried

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to get you guys to say he was the third

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.360
<v Speaker 1>best offensive lineman. That tells me right there. You're like, no, no, no,

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>you still have Tyrn Smith, you still have Travis Frederick,

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you still have Zach Martin. But I don't think it's

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I still don't think he's one of the best three,

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 1>but like he's playing at a level where like, well, no,

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to but but you kind of

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 1>told me there's three other guys, so there's four guys

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and then throwing what Jonathan Cooper has been able to do.

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that for the most part. You know, I

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>thought they did a nice job against the Giants last week.

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 1>There were more pocket passes last week than what we've seen.

0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>So I just think this week you're going to see

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more help with Lyle Collins. When we

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>get into that twelve personnel, one back, two tights, thirteen personnel,

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>one back, three tight ends, I think you're gonna see

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of that. I think they're gonna

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>make Khalil Mack run the hump a little more, try

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and keep them a little bit wider. That's what I

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>really worry about. I don't worry about their secondary particular.

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Dexter McDonald. I don't think Sean Smith

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>are going to do anything to scare me. Like I say,

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, they drafted the kid Conley. He's on IRY

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and he was one of those guys that they were really,

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>really hopeful. You know that we when we saw him

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 1>Dave last year on the Draft show, we thought he

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was one of the best quarterbacks in the in the draft,

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and so here he is on IR. So they're struggling

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>in the secondary. Reggie Nelson Karl. Joseph was a guy

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>they drafted in twenty sixteen and the first round pick.

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Though you know, he's a guy that has not really

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>lived up to the big hit promise, which he was.

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.639
<v Speaker 1>So there were two. There were two. Keyan O'Neill was

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the other one, right, Keyan O'Neil is playing like a gangbuster. Yeah,

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Tom Dimitroff got the right guy and so which you know,

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:49.879
<v Speaker 1>I think of them to get like I think of

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>them in the same thought basically, right, you're telling me

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Joseph has not been Joseph has not been as good

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>as Neil. That that that has been factual? Is it? So?

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't remember the exa back day, but

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the Raiders actually fired their defensive coordinator mid season, Cowboy

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Ken Norton brighter right, John Pagano, Now, yeah, did you

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>go did you go back far enough to watch any

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>games when Norton was still I just I kind of

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I figured without Norton being there that they were that's

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>fair that they just gonna do. See what the scheme was.

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I get. Well. The reason I bring it up is

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>if you had asked me, like a month ago, Bruce

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>about Bruce Irvan I would have said he's having he's

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>having a disappointing time, and sure, but he's caught on

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>in these last few games he has And that's the

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>thing about it. That's that's where I worry because, to me,

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>if the Cowboys are gonna have problems in this game,

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a couple of things you have to

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>look at it. And actually in matchups today I wrote

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>about Navarro Bowman, the middle linebacker for the Raiders. Boy

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Navarro Bowman here would have been. He just couldn't get

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>him to leave the bear. He's a family guy, he's

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>got his kids. You think they could have backed up

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a Brinks truck. I would have tried. I would have tried.

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.679
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you're talking about a guy with some injuries.

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>But he's a guy. They're gonna have to account for

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>him in this game. If you're gonna want to run

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the football, you're gonna have to count for Navara Bowman.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>If you remember the San Francisco game, not this year,

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 1>but last year, Dallas was struggling running the football, really

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>weren't getting anything going on offense. Then Bowman goes out

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 1>of the game all sudden. Then the gates open up

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>same type of player. If Travis Frederick and the inside

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>guys Cooper and also Martin, they can't allow him to

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>just run. It would be very similar to what the

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Giants did last week with Sean Lee. You know, if

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't block him, if you don't get a hat

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 1>on him, if you don't take care of him, he's

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>capable of making every single tackle. So that's where you're

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you know in the middle. Watch that here you got

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>these guys screaming the edges. Now you've got a guy

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that could play the middle as well as he does.

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a problem. So we've we've given a lot

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of love to their pass rush and clear I mean

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 1>if Navara Bowman, but the secondary has been which awful?

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to zone in on that. Which of these

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 1>matchups do you like for the Cowboys When you're just

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking about how you think it's gonna play out? I mean,

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>is this which I mean, we've been looking for this

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>all year and haven't really seen it, But is this

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a Dez game? This could be? I think I think

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>this is a I think this is a Dez game

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>as far as you know, maybe a seven for maybe

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.479
<v Speaker 1>a seven for eighty something kind of a game, you know,

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.959
<v Speaker 1>finding way. I think there's some routes that I think

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>they're going back and getting not going back. They're gonna

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>keep hitting the slant routes. They're gonna keep hitting the digs,

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the deep ends, things like that, things where he could

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>come inside and separate. They need him to win right

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>off the line. That's where that's where, that's where he's

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>at his absolute best. When he can win right off

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the line. When he does that, then you have a chance.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't think McDonald or smith. Smith is probably the

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>better of the two to have to make the coverage

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>on him. They got this Travis Carry who will play

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the nickel. He's kind of listed as a starter, but

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 1>he's really more of a nickel player. But that that

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>could be a win for your right there. With Bees,

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't see a dynamic I don't see any dynamic

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>players in that secondary and that and that's a little

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>bit like what the Giants had last week. He had

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>one dynamic player landing Collins, and then everybody else were

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty much slappies, which the great choice of words right there.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I hear everything that you're saying and stuff, But again,

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things not like the Cowboys wide

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>receivers have been dynamic. Yeah either that's that's fair, It doesn't. Yeah,

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>it matters that their secondary is not good. But when

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>you look at the place and good thing that we

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>saw does making some places towards the end of the

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>second half of the game against New York. But again

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>we've seen those plays where yeah, the corner is there,

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's still not because of the corner covering him.

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It's more because oh, he dropped the ball or he

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.479
<v Speaker 1>couldn't catch it, or you know. Get She's absolutely right.

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I get in that argument with people all the time

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>where they're like, well, their secondaries not any good, and

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you watched these team games, like our receivers

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>aren't very good either. So I think she makes a

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>great point in that, because again, the Cowboys can't come

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>out of this game. To me, I don't anytime long yardage,

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>third down, you know, you don't want to get in

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that the thing, the thing that without Ezekiel. And then

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>again this is only for one more week. You know

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>that that that down in distance of second and nine,

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, or second and ten, you know, and then

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you throw it in complete and

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it's third and ten. You just don't want to get in.

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't convert a lot of those. Some teams are

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>capable of it, and some teams aren't. Dallas is one

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of those teams that doesn't play very well at third

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and ten. They just don't do it. And it's to

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Amber's point that when you get receivers that get contested plays,

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>we you know, we talk about the Raiders receivers, the

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys are in the same boat. We've seen the ball

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>clang off Terrence Williams when you throw at a contested ball. Yeah,

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>We've seen Cole Beasley lose a ball in the sun.

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>We've seen things happen to these receivers that that we

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't see last year, and that that's that's a detriment

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>to this offense. Does does the I don't want to

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>say the emergence, but yeah, does the breakout of Rod

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Smith against New York do anything for you? I don't.

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not expecting it to change the way that they

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>approached this. Yeah, but having seen what he can do,

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>does that change how you want to what do you

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>play this thing at all? Do you think I mean,

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you think they change? Do you think

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>do you think so, I mean, it sound like this

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff. Yeah, I don't see that. I would imagine

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>them starting Alfred Morris again and just kind of doing

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>what they've been doing and rotating in. She's right. You

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>both are right to me. You're both right. It's coaches

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>hate change. Everybody's like, well, gosh, play start rod Smith still, Yeah,

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>start up ahead and start. You know, no, coaches don't

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>think that way. They're think, Okay, what have we had

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>success doing on first and second down? And even though

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>rod Smith has had some really some I think that

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>was the first game that we saw Rod Smith that

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>reminded us of the preseason, you know, when I was

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>on our show, you know, with with you know, talking

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>about that, I was like, for the six weeks that

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Zeke was gone, I was screaming, give me the mean,

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>nasty sob guy, whoever that guy is, give me that

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>guy to tote the ball for six weeks. I need

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>to have my offense be physical. I need my running

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>game to get going. I need to establish things. And

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I've kind of thought rod Smith was that guy, and

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>then he kind of cream puffed me for a couple

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>of times, a couple of games where I was like,

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you stop running like that, you'll run a little better,

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then I think last week against a

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>giant defense that you know, the front four is very capable,

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>but we saw a better vision, we saw better cuts,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>we saw more physical runs. You know you're gonna need

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that in this game. You needed to find a way

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to kill the Raiders will to compete, and the way

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys do that is with their offense. I wonder

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>if they think of Rod Smith as their closer like

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>we got. We got a sturdy, like veteran guy who

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>can get us through the first seven innings and Alfred

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Morris and then send in the six three tank guy

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>who you know you don't want any party. Have they

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>used him like that in five games? I thought they

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>used him like that against New York I mean no, no,

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying for the five but the five games

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>since Seek's been gone, I don't think they started using

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>him enough until probably the way Washington game. I don't have.

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>That's some stats in front of me. But he wasn't

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>getting the work. That's to her. That's to her point.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Why would coaches not switch? I mean, see, that's what

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>we get into. We talk about this every day. But

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the building, they're thinking, we're

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna run Alfred. We're gonna run Alfred. Okay, let's put

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Smith in. We're gonna run off. You know, you're you're

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of like going, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, put

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the guy in it, you know. But we've seen when

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Alfred has gotten going, then they put Rod Like we've

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>seen those scenarios. It's like rhyme reason. We are like,

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>why don't they make the switch? But then they make

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a switch and he's like, okay, why are you making

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the switch now? So these are the same guys that, Yeah,

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>these are the same guys that take Zeke off the field,

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you know once a half for Alfred, or put Lance

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Dunbar in there in a situation. Right, I don't know. Right,

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense. Now, you're you're right, You're right. You

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>gotta be You're gonna have to be able to move

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the ball against these guys and teams half teams half.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>But you've got it. You've got to figure out a way.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I worry more about I worry about their pass rush

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I do. I worry about that a lot, because again,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>could could you know let's hope not. Could we see

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the one bad game? Yeah? From you know, it only

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>takes one. Yeah, we saw what happens in Atlanta when

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a pass rush takes over the game. It's a disaster.

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a real football one on one question.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not always the expert I paint myself

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to be. Why don't more teams do what you're talking

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>about here? With Irvin and Matt coming from the same side,

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>especially if you think you have a favorable matchup. Yeah,

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. Just give up on Tyrn Smith

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and ye try to get other and you know what

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that that happened last week in the game if you remember,

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>because because what they did was they took Olivier Vernon

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and they put him on Yeah, they put him on

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>a Lile Collins side. He started the game, Jason Pierre

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Paul played basically a half over on the on the

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>on the right side, and Olivier Vernon, who they feel

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>like he's their best pass rusher, went up against Loud Collins.

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why Annabar was thinking, this guy played

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. This guy man I Olivia Vernon didn't really

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, he kind of held him held him in check.

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it just seems like it makes sense. Yeah. No,

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>but you know teams, teams will scheme you that way.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>They you know, why try a team that does that,

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>like a New England will do that. New England will

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>take their best players and put them next to each other.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>So the best the best coach team. Yeah, do that. See,

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>but that's what I'm saying. You've got it to me.

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I always look at matchups. Who is your worst player,

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna attack that guy. I'm gonna make you. I'm

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna make you change, and then if you change, then

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go attack another guy. But I'm figuring out

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>that goes back to your adjustments. It's not all about Okay,

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play more zone more man. No, who is

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>your worst guy out there and I and I'm not

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna cover your worst receiver, But whoever your best receiver

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and tied in is, I'm gonna I'm gonna cover them

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>all day. That's all I do it. In in that vein,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>who are you going after? I mean, if you're the coach, scheme,

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going after Dexter McDonald and secondary boom. Yeah. Number

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty three I'm going after Dexter McDonald cornerback. Yeah, whoever

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>number twenty three is, find him, feed des feed des

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna take an early break. When we come back. We're

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna get to y'all because I feel personally like Derek

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't do that enough. Amber. We're gonna do Twitter questions.

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:14.879
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0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.040
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0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.920
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0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.680
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0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. There you go. We're gonna take a

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>phone call Kent from Chris and Virginia. Chris, what's going on? Hey,

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>fella's happy holidays? Thanks, Hey are you doing? And happy birthday?

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>And happy late birthday to Brian. Thank you. I tweeted you, guys.

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I tweeted you the other day day. Man, I'm a

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>huge fan of you and Brian. You guys do a

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 1>great job. All y'all do a great job. I really

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Man. Um, I think I got some Tommy

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Johns and my stocking. I think I peaked there. You go.

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Good for you. It would be a great Christmas. I

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>got two quick questions, um um Elsie Um Collins. He

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>came out in the same draft as Flowers, right, would

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>that be Trey Flowers? No, the flowers, the flowers from

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the giants, the giants. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, Eric Flowers yeah,

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Eric Flowers, that was Sheriff and Sheriff fifteen. Yeah, Sheriff

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and and and Flowers And yes, absolutely Collins was in

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>that draft, right. Do you think the Giants were targeting

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>him until that's that negative stuff came out about him

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that I don't believe at all. I have it on

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>very good authority that actually, well maybe the Giants, but

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the Redskins too, right lyle maybe goes as high as

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>five if none of that happens. Yeah, I think what happened.

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I think what happened real quick is that when the

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>when the Redskins took Sheriff, boy, that messed up the

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 1>That messed up the Giants. Yeah, and then they said, okay,

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>let's take the next best tackle they felt like, but

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>there were so many questions about Collins that they couldn't

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>do that. Now. At the time, Tom Coughlin was a

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>coach there, so that's a you know, he's a kind

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>of a Big ten guy. He's that he likes that,

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>that kind of a player. The Giants traditionally have drafted

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman from the Big ten. If you go ball

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the way back to like Jumbo Elliott and those guys

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>from Michigan and things. So yeah, they were they were

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>looking at Now Collins wouldn't have had the problems. I

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>feel like that he would have been a top ten pick,

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>no question for sure. Yeah. Um. Add one more thing

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>that the two years deal he got. Do you think

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>that was just like a proved deal or he's going

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to demand a lot more money after how he's been

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>playing the last couple of weeks. I don't think of

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>it so much as a proved deal. I think of

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>it as let's be fair to you type of deal.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, the Cowboys got him for undrafted money,

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, absurd when you think of the

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>talent level. He started a season for them, he lost

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.839
<v Speaker 1>his job due to injury, and then you know, so

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>you're you're entering year three of what should have been

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a top ten year without having made a ton of money.

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And then obviously they promote him to starting right tackle.

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think it's one. I think it

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>was about the potential that they saw on him to

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>be a quality starting tackle. And then on the other side, hey,

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we know you are vastly under earning what you're worth,

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>so we're going to throw you a bone and we're

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>going to give you a short deal that will allow

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you to maximize your worth in a couple of years.

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I think this was a good will deal. Yeah, that

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of say, Okay, in the future, let's see how

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to play, and if you continue to play

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>on the trajectory that he has been, then then it

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>becomes okay, well we got to figure out some them

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to do long term and he'll be in line. But

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>it keeps him happy, right, because they're gonna get Zack

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Martin done, right, and that would be then you'll have

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>then you'll have all four of your lineman done. But

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's good. If Lyell keeps playing the way he's playing, yeah,

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>then it might. He's gonna be a tough guy to

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>sign when that deal does come up. Absolutely, But I

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>wish some fans would have understand how the cap works

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>can't keep them all. You gotta let them go. But

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't want to let him go. They're

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna learn that about Anthony Hitchens. That was a mail

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>back question that we had this morning, because they drafted

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>they drafted Jalen Smith that played Mike linebacker, and I

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>think that's I think that's where people are going to

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>have a really hard time. This is gonna be very

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.439
<v Speaker 1>similar to what happened to Bury Church in my opinion. Yeah,

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I can see that. Yeah, that they're just gonna let

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a player like him walk because they're gonna have to

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.439
<v Speaker 1>figure out some other things to do. And my last question, guys,

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate everything. I'll do. Um that safety that

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>um the Raiders guy. I think it was malifol Lou.

0:41:56.239 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't pronounce it. Ye wanted him how he been looking?

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:01.879
<v Speaker 1>And I'll take it off the air, and you guys

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>have a happy holiday, And I appreciate it, thank you

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>very much. Yeah, I haven't seen him much at all.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say we didn't even talk about him. Yeah,

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting because we thought he was a guy

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that had, because of his size, had the ability to

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>cover that he was going to get more of a play.

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>But he has not shown up, and he hurt for

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>most of the year or something. He's I honestly don't

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>know the answer to that, but I think he's still Yeah,

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 1>he's still he's still in that's actually right. He's still

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>in the mix with the Raiders. But you do not

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>in the games I study, you do not see him

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>involved in a lot of their plays. And I want

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.359
<v Speaker 1>to take a question from Amber, but I kind of

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I love talking and salary cap stuff. I kind of

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>want to go back to that if we have a minute.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>But Amber, what you got for us? Well soon? So

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you guys were talking about Anthony Hitchings in case he

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:46.280
<v Speaker 1>does indeed walk away? Yeah, what um draft round would

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 1>that come in? The whole position of this is fascinating

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 1>to me because the way to go, that's a good job.

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>That's I should have just I should have just trusted

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you to pick out a good question. You did. That's

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to talk about it. Anyway, Yeah, I

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I I'm fat sated by that because Anthony Hitchins is

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he's so underrated. In my opinion, he's hugely under He's

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>such a big part of what they do at linebacker.

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>They're four or five and oh when they have Lee

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and Hitchins on the field together. That's great that they

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 1>drafted Jalen Smith to play Mike. He has shown some

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>flashes of having some real ability. Yeah, but can you

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>afford to go into next season with Jalen and Lee

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>just being your plan? I mean no, No, They're gonna

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>early two year old that gets hurt often, and a

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 1>guy that is not one hundred percent back from a

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>major injury. You need to see, you know, that's why

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>people are already interested in the linebacker at Georgia. Yeah,

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, absolutely. But the thing about it is he

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>plays the same position as Sean Lee. Really, he's gonna

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 1>be an off ball will. That's fine, So yeah, but

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you move Sean Lee? Arnestly? You draft

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>him and have him Sean Lee? And fine if Smith,

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>if you're telling me I could get Roquan Smith. Let's

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>say they pick seventeen. Let's say he's there. I don't

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>know if he will be, but whatever. If you're telling

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>me he's not a starter in his rookie year, but

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>he is a phenomenal and shurance policy for both Jalen

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and Sean and he can find his way out on

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the field in certain packages. Anyway, I'm awesome with that.

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>And then so then you're grooming a future Will to

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>hopefully play next to Jalen, but he can also be

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a quality replacement for both of those guys. What position

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>on this team do you have the most trouble with?

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Just the position you have to name any players what

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.760
<v Speaker 1>position bothers? You, I mean it would have to be safety,

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the safeties bother See that's I mean, everybody's gonna have

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be this is gonna be a fun

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>discussion this year because I think you would be different

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>than maybe what I would be. We're all would come

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 1>up with something because I feel like I need a

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of things. Yeah, so I'm saying that mean you

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 1>you say, okay, what can we can You can you

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>live with Jalen Smith and Sean Lee and not a

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>first round linebacker Dave. I can live with Jalen Smith

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 1>if he's playing at his best. We've seen maybe forty

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 1>percent of the time. See, that's what everybody's thinking. They're

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>thinking that Jayalen Smith in twenty eighteen, I should make

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>that that's but that's a that's a projection. I was

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, I hope that's true. But can you go

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>into the year just oh, you know they will they

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I know they will. I told I said this show yesterday.

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I can picture it in my mind so clear. Like

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>in fact, where at the combine, Stephen and Jerry are

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>telling us that like, no, like Jalen's great, he's gonna

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 1>be fine, and like, no, we don't have a backup plane,

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>like this is gonna Then we get through the draft

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and we're all like, why didn't they draft a lineback? Exactly?

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 1>The surgery. I mean, I don't know much about surgeries

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that how it all works, but the

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 1>surgery he got is that one of those things that

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.319
<v Speaker 1>you could you know, you could re injure yourself all

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the time, but it's just something that has a lot

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of high stakes of injuring yourself. See the thing that

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's a great that's a good question because they

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>feel like though with the regeneration of the nerve, that

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>he'll get that quickness. But now he might not be

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>what he was notre Dame, but he might be a

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>guy that Oh wait, he's starting to make more burst plays.

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>He's starting to run guys down again. I would argue

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>we've seen that from time to time, especially in this

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 1>stretch when Lee and Hitchens have been healthy and he's

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 1>only being asked to play twenty or so snaps per game.

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>You've seen that burst and when he gets there, he

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.399
<v Speaker 1>hits like a ton of bricks. Right. I love him

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>when he's playing great. I can't go into a season

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>trusting that that's going to be the case. Are you

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 1>more scared of him or not drafting somebody. I'm more

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>scared of not having a fallback plan. So you want

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to draft somebody, you need to. I just made my decision.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>You have to draft somebody. And like I said, hey,

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.720
<v Speaker 1>you have to Sean Lee. He's so important, he's so good.

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>But how how he's he will be thirty two? I mean,

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 1>oh no, I mean linebackers are the running backs of

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:45.959
<v Speaker 1>the A defense. Like they don't We got to show

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 1>every Friday during the off season. You guys, Award, welcome

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to show up. Garcia. You don't play. You don't play

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 1>till you're forty. I'm just thinking of, for example, the

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>whole Seek situation. The Cowboys knew about it forever, right true,

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and then and we saw how they struggle and the

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>whole team went down. Now we are at a point

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that we know the linebacker situation. Yeah, so it better

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>get addressed and taken care of because once that happens

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 1>and Sean Lee comes down again or something. Oh, they

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>knew that this could happened. Yeah, okay, Well then let

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>me ask you guys this what's your priorities signing Anthy Hitchens?

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're all we're all coming up with great ideas.

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Ambler's like, let's draft. Dave's like, let's draft. Here's the thing.

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>But what about? What about? What would you do? Who

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>would you sacrifice to keep Anthony Hitchens. It's he's a

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>high priority, but it's just low level realistic, you know,

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't think it was realistic. Just told me

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't lose football games in him and Lee play.

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 1>How am I supposed to put aside twenty five to

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>forty million dollars to resign him? And I don't know

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>what the price tag will be, but it will be

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money. That's and you're already you're you

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>have to tag the Marcus, you get rid of Scandrick

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to uh, you get rid of Scandrick to take his

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.479
<v Speaker 1>money to do that, and then you're just robbing Peter

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>to pay Paul. I'm asking you, would you read who

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>do you take? I'm not okay I was unfairly took

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>scander Cat, but I'm just trying to think of guys

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you got only as he did that because of the

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>young secondary, the young secondary. That's the only reason why

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I took Standric out of the mix. I would be

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>willing to bet that the savings on doing something like

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that still wouldn't be enough to really cover your costs.

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Like I think Anthony Hitchins is going to be paid

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>well this offseason. We thought that about who do we else?

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.919
<v Speaker 1>We think of t Will? He Will had a money

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>We're thinking t Will was going to make eight million

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 1>dollars so much for that. He Will had opportunities to

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>get bigger deals and it just didn't work out. I

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>mean though, you think, yes, oh whoa, whoa, you were

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>reliably reporting this? Are you What are you doing? I

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>hear you're speculating. I hear stuff, you hear stuff as Yeah,

0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>there you go, Amber, nice follow up. I let me alone.

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Like he said it himself when he signed here, he

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.720
<v Speaker 1>took less money to come back. He pended his loyalty.

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what he said. Who would you sacrifice on? Who

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>would you sacrifice on? This same ja has that same loyalty?

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, I'm just no, No, that's the number one.

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to find out. You're trying to get

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>desk to take a pay cut. Amber, something's gonna happen,

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and assume I don't know the way she's bringing the

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 1>sauce today, the way it stands right now. I just

0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know that you have the money on

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the books to get a deal done with a guy

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>like him. But you guys are telling me I have

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to go draft a guy, but I already got a

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>guy no can play. It's cheaper to draft a guy, Okay,

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 1>but is he a better player? Same thing that they

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:38.800
<v Speaker 1>just did in the secondary. She just said that we

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of needs. What course, they'd all teams

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL have needs. It's lying back for your

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>number one need. Honestly, I think i'd probably agree with Amber.

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably safety number one overall, just in

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>terms of like because whoa, whoa, wait wait, you drafted

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Byron Jones. You're gonna move Byron Jones. Byron Jones is

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>entering a contract year. Okay, that's what I'm saying. You

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 1>don't think he Are you keeping Byron Jones? Well, I'm

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>keeping Byron Jones. But the problem is are you picking

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 1>up his option? I'm not? All right? There we go,

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. So you need to address the

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>future of the position, do you not? Yeah? You probably

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 1>want to upgrade your starters, do you not? Yeah? All right,

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you on that. Okay, but you're but you're

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>telling me though that I know I got a starting

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>linebacker that I know is reliable, that could play two spots, right,

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.720
<v Speaker 1>But you guys just want to kick him to the curb.

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to kick him to the curb. I

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>want to do Oh I know, Oh, I know that,

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to She brought up a couple receiver

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 1>or receiver. I brought up a corner. Is there anybody

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 1>else that you would say, uh, maybe move on, move on.

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 1>We don't need we need that. We can use that

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 1>money elsewhere. Nobody that immediately jumps out to me to

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, Am I forgetting somebody? I'm just

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.319
<v Speaker 1>enlighten me. No, you're gonna have to give that right

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 1>that left defensive end? A lot of money? Is that?

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Is that A? Is that A? Is that A? Gotta

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>pay Lawrence? You gotta pay Irving? David Urry? Okay, you

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>gotta pay back. Can you afford can you ford to

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>give David Irving a high tender? Okay? Would you rather

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 1>have David Irving or or Anthy Hitches. I'd rather have

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Irving again because it's cheaper. He's a restricted free agent.

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to compete with the market to keep him.

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Are we keeping the Marcus? Yes, but you don't have

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 1>to tender. You don't have to tender that guy. You don't.

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>But so if you give David Irving a first round tender,

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you're paying him something like five million dollars, And it's, well, well,

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna pay Anthony Hitchens? You think you

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>have to pay him five million dollars? Anthony Hitchins, You're

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to I would Garrett. Okay, even let's say

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>even if he gets a t will deal, let's say

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he gets way less than what I think, and you're

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 1>cheerleading for that. That's still but that's still four million

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year, right, it's ten million and guarantees. Yeah,

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that's so. I mean, like you're talking about significant But

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>tell me I'm not losing games with him? Are you

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>doing this to me right now? Like you know the

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>way this works? You want stuff? Or do you have

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>any other questions from give him a break? Seriously, it's

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>his birthday, my birthday. He wanted to host a show today.

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.839
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, here's a about Damien Wilson. Yeah, why

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 1>has been the impression of him? And do you guys

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.719
<v Speaker 1>see the team improving the Sam? Oh? There you go,

0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 1>here you go. Two thoughts. One is that Sam linebacker

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even like have a huge role on this team

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the way it is, right. I mean, on Sunday, I

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 1>thought it was funny they announced their starting lineup in nickel.

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even bother Sam lineback. You're gonna see a

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of nickel this week too. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>based on the training camp he had, you thought he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be better, didn't you. There's a lot of guys I

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>thought that, Dave yep, Well that's why you're seven and

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>six right now. Yeah, but I thought I thought he'd

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>be better. I thought he'd have a bigger role like

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.240
<v Speaker 1>he was everywhere in training camp, even in the previos.

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Are we finding out that the linebacker position at a

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>hole needs to be redone? I think Sean Sean masks

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems and hitchens too, which you also

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>said his age. Yeah, no, I mean it's a concern

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>for sure, it is, yes, But I mean for two

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 1>years Sean stayed healthy after the move to Will. Yeah,

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you can't say that anymore. He's missed half the year.

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Well wall oh this year. Last year he missed a

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>game just because a healthy scratch. I remember two years ago,

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>when people would complain about Sean Lee's injuries, you would say,

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 1>that's bs. He's been healthy since he moved to Will.

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 1>But the Will, but the Will move has actually been

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>beneficial force it has. Yeah, but my point being is

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 1>that the injury issues have cropped up again. This is

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 1>another season. So if he's played eight seasons, four of

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>them have been significantly marred by Edger cap Yeah. Yeah,

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so that's something you got to think about.

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.760
<v Speaker 1>And Anthony Hitchins, it's possible he stays here, I suppose,

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't bet on it. So yeah, I mean,

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 1>linebacker is a big concern for me. Okay, So now

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 1>what we sound like, what I'm gathering from everybody here

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 1>is we're gonna do with the linebackers what we did

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 1>with the secondary last year. I wouldn't bet against the draft.

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Just draft two or three guys. I think that's likely. Yeah, yeah,

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I think. I mean you're just gonna sit, You're gonna

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 1>flip that position like he did the safety and the cornerbacks.

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>But the difference is, I think you got Shaan Lee

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>is your pet Shawn Lee to hold everything in place,

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>hopefully knock on Wood and then then Jalen Smith and

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you can't I'm not you can't bet on Jalen Smith.

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not going to bet against the eater, you

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like he deserves every chance to

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 1>continue to ride the fence. That it's not riding the fence.

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.279
<v Speaker 1>That's common sense. You're riding the fence. Oh, you're just

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to provoke me and it's working. Any other questions

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on Kiev on Fraser, how do you guys expect

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.720
<v Speaker 1>this team to start using him in the future. Actually,

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I had I had one talking point that I wanted

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 1>to hit on, So this is a good segue just

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the safeties in general. She wants new ones. Well, I mean, well,

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.240
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel I'll tell you what I feel

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 1>like though that you you you need to figure out

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 1>what Xavier Woods is. Yeah, and I worry about Xavier

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Woods as a tackler. Now, to be honest with you,

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we've seen him miss some tackles that he

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>should have made, you know. And I love the coverability.

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:54.839
<v Speaker 1>I love that aspect to him, but I need him

0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to be a better tackler. If I'm going to play

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:58.959
<v Speaker 1>him full time, I need him to tackle better. And

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.440
<v Speaker 1>so Jeff, I thought Jeff Heath played out of his

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 1>mind the other day. I think that was one of

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>his best tours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ten tackles and just

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.479
<v Speaker 1>not because of the numbers, but he being a good

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>position and coverage things got eas down everything that you've

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.120
<v Speaker 1>seen from him this season. Oh, one game, This is

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:18.359
<v Speaker 1>where I'm gonna get your point there, Garcia. The thing

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.120
<v Speaker 1>with Cavon Frasier, we saw really the one good game

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know where. And I'm still trying to figure out

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.919
<v Speaker 1>who busted on that thirty five yard pass that Evan

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.919
<v Speaker 1>Ingram route, because I'm kind of thinking, well, maybe Sean

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Lee busted. Well I guess who else was involved Cavon Frasier.

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>So you get people to kind of say a little

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.720
<v Speaker 1>two things there, But you know, one game with Cavon

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Frasier playing against the Redskins being good. Now, how about

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.320
<v Speaker 1>some two or three games in a row. Don't miss tackles,

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 1>don't over extend, be where you need to be. You know,

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm all for playing him, but I'm also all for

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>figuring out though that, Hey, how about a little bit

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:01.760
<v Speaker 1>more consistent guy. I think that's probably that's a problem

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that I would bet every NFL team except for like Seattle,

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 1>when their guys are healthy, like Eric Berry, like maybe

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 1>five teams in the league feel great about their safeties

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 1>because I look at the Cowboys and I'm like, you've

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 1>got two guys who hit well and are around the ball,

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and you've got two guys who cover better and have problems,

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, tackling Jones, Byron and Nixavier better in coverage,

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>miss tackles, take bad angles from time to time. Cavon,

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Cavon and Heath hit like a ton of bricks and

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>are around the ball. Don't the best tackler of the four?

0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Probably Heath? Yeah, if he can get there, Yeah yeah, yeah,

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:43.080
<v Speaker 1>he's your best best tackler. Who's your best cover man? Byron?

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Depending on the situation. I still like Byron down low

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 1>or Byron to carry guys up the field Byron down low,

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Byron cut taking tight ends and stuff like that. I

0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.839
<v Speaker 1>like that better, which you've got four guys who can

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 1>do part of the job. Well, you don't have anybody

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that can do at all, which you know, if you

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:01.840
<v Speaker 1>want that guy, you probably got to draft him in

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the top twenty. Bigger concern them with the linebackers, I mean,

0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 1>she said, and I don't know if she wants to

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 1>change that. She said, you have to draft linebackers. Now

0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't and I don't disagree with you. But have

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:17.120
<v Speaker 1>you brought the safety out there? I think I've seen

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>more concerning things from the safeties year from one watching

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the game, the safeties are the ones that upset me

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the most. Customers in Spanish takes it not at all.

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the starters bother me more at safety, Like

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got good linebacker starters even if Hitchins leaves, Jalen

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Smith can be a good player. Or disappointed in what

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 1>you've seen with Smith at linebacker or what you had

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 1>with here we go again, No, no, no Smith, or

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:53.640
<v Speaker 1>what you've seen from Byron Jones or Woods. Oh, I

0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:56.720
<v Speaker 1>mean Byron Jones. He had this amazing training Yeah, training camp,

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 1>that's all we talked about. We were doing periscopes. We win.

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 1>We went into the season. I feel I thought we

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:04.360
<v Speaker 1>did a good job of tempering our expectations on Jalen.

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean he had a good training camp two, but yeah,

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I would throw Byron in there, but him and him

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and Malik Collins where two guys had fooled me. We

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about Malik has been hurt this year. I don't

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 1>want to dog him for that, but I mean, you're right,

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and I thought he would have nine sacks this year.

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>But oh, you guys do a fast show. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fast hour. Thank you for joining us

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode, Brian, thank you so much. Thank you guys,

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>great good discussions. I hope everybody enjoyed that. Derek and

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<v Speaker 1>Nick will be back tomorrow. Until then, we are on

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty three and a half hour break to quote

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<v Speaker 1>around the horn, but see all tomorrow. Thanks for joining us.

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