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Speaker 1: you for joining us, my man, I feel like big
Speaker 1: guy for two guys. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of the approach I've taken today.
Speaker 1: How are y'all doing? Happy birthday too? You? Thank you?
Speaker 1: I'm start please Yeah, one more time, one more time. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: it is me. Oh God, Kelsey Charles. It's a happy
Speaker 1: birthday from Kelsey too, it is. It is my birthday.
Speaker 1: I'm DeMarco Murray years old. Thank y'all. Yeah, not not
Speaker 1: what we're here for, though, we're here to talk about
Speaker 1: Cowboys football. I'm gonna do the Derek thing real quick, Brian,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit on some injury stuff real quick. David
Speaker 1: Irving did not practice yesterday, still dealing with his concussion.
Speaker 1: How word are you about that? Yeah? I think that
Speaker 1: we've all kind of learned. I know, Ambar and I
Speaker 1: did our periscope yesterday and we were talking about that,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's one of those things where if
Speaker 1: you know, you say, okay, he's doing things on the side. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see if him practice today. The pattern for them
Speaker 1: has been you practice, then we'll see how you are
Speaker 1: the next day, and then you go from there. And now,
Speaker 1: if you know, now we're into the motive. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything today, that takes him into Friday. And
Speaker 1: I don't know when when it's been the two days
Speaker 1: in a row thing. We've seen it with Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: We saw it last week with him with David Irving,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit skeptical if if he's going to play,
Speaker 1: so today is a huge, huge day for him, and
Speaker 1: I think they need him, I really really do. They're
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out, now what to do? You
Speaker 1: know at that three technique ross moving guys around in there?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Neil? I mean, who who is
Speaker 1: going to be that guy? I reserve the right to
Speaker 1: be wrong. I'm wrong all the time, but I have
Speaker 1: none of our profession. It's true when I mean, when
Speaker 1: you talk for an hour every day for a living,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be right about everything. Right. Sure,
Speaker 1: I have an inkling like he's going to do something
Speaker 1: today the practice. Yeah, okay, if that's the case. If
Speaker 1: that's the case, then you know, all all your bets
Speaker 1: are off. But this is one of those ones that
Speaker 1: surprised me because I don't really know. I'm asking people
Speaker 1: when it happened, and he well, he had the long weekend.
Speaker 1: You know that happened and on a Thursday night. He
Speaker 1: had the long weekend. And I'd hate to make light
Speaker 1: of a head injury, but you would think that the
Speaker 1: extra time off would help him out in that regard. Oh,
Speaker 1: I absolutely do, But I just I worry about, like
Speaker 1: I say, show me practicing today. Yeah, and because if
Speaker 1: he doesn't practice today, if he shows up as a
Speaker 1: DNP or limited, you know, tell me what point limited
Speaker 1: is it? Is it taken one rep per eight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, don't be that guy. I'm holding out hope
Speaker 1: that he gets out there, Okay, and if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: we can revisit this. Neat him to play in this game.
Speaker 1: I agree with you with this offensive line. Yeah, Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith and Lyle Collins both didn't practice, but we're into
Speaker 1: a we're into a routine with them, right, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean we were talking about that yesterday, Brian and I.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that now it's at
Speaker 1: first it was worried some like you were concerned, but
Speaker 1: at this point, after seeing how it's being week by week,
Speaker 1: you begin to say, Okay, maybe that's just what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and at least for alcohol. And he's been good so
Speaker 1: far and that hasn't really affected his way of playing
Speaker 1: and soul. Yeah, hasn't. I was gonna ask you about that.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised how well Collins has played without practicing, Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like unbelievably. I mean, he's it's not like he's playing
Speaker 1: against Slappy's. He's playing against some legitimate and you and
Speaker 1: you put the list together on Twitter, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: and to me, I'm thinking, this guy needs to practice.
Speaker 1: He's got to know the assignments he's got. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I think my discussion we had on our
Speaker 1: show yesterday was about the fact that he's playing next
Speaker 1: to Zach Martin. I think helps. Yeah, if you were
Speaker 1: playing next to a guy that wasn't any good, you know,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you're not practicing. And now
Speaker 1: I think there's times where Zach Martin helped him. Maybe
Speaker 1: if there was a little bit of a mess, he
Speaker 1: can kind of clean up the mess where if he
Speaker 1: had a guy a little bit less of you know,
Speaker 1: say you had h John Jerry for the you know,
Speaker 1: for the for the New York Giants playing in there,
Speaker 1: and then maybe it's a little bit more like boy,
Speaker 1: he needs a pride. You know. What's amazing to me
Speaker 1: is not too long ago we were talking about this
Speaker 1: guy trying to kind of get used to the position
Speaker 1: and being able to play well and consistent. You're right, now,
Speaker 1: he's not even practicing, and he's still doing great. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett doesn't want to hear me say this, but like
Speaker 1: maybe he just shouldn't practice because he looks awesome out
Speaker 1: there without any practice time. I mean, he's going against
Speaker 1: JPP and Olivier Vernon and Ryan Carrigan. I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: to the edge here with you, guys. I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: to the edge and stand and look over the edge.
Speaker 1: Is he one of your top three offensive linemen? Oh?
Speaker 1: Has he? Has he been playing as one of your
Speaker 1: top three of the five guys? Oh? Ye? All right,
Speaker 1: Scott say, I don't know if I can follow you
Speaker 1: there yet. I know Tyron Smith, this is a problem.
Speaker 1: I'm loving what she's saying about. Hey, he's playing well,
Speaker 1: and you and your name is definitely getting up there.
Speaker 1: He's like right there on the line. This has been
Speaker 1: a down season for Tyring. He's battled injuries, He's been
Speaker 1: called for holding five times. He negated a big touchdown
Speaker 1: against what was in LA. I've been chargers. I still
Speaker 1: don't think he's a better player than Lyle right now.
Speaker 1: It's not a knock on life again, just to this
Speaker 1: season what you've seen so far. Yeah, I still I
Speaker 1: stand by that life's trying to draw you guys off side,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do it. Oh, come on, couldn't do it? Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: just kind of seeing the level of where you're at.
Speaker 1: I now know here's a phrase that really scares me.
Speaker 1: Uh it's James Hannah DNP with a knee with a
Speaker 1: knee specifically because that's been an issue for him. I don't,
Speaker 1: honestly I apologize. I don't have a whole lot of
Speaker 1: info about it. He's the classic guy that Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: not gonna give you in for injury information unless you ask.
Speaker 1: You gotta ask. Well, we didn't know James Hannah had
Speaker 1: a problem until he didn't show up for PRAC this yesterday.
Speaker 1: So that's something that we're going to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on going forward this week. I don't have a big
Speaker 1: update for you other than that, Yeah, hey, no, that
Speaker 1: was a heck of a catch, great cash. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, though, are you you feel better about
Speaker 1: about Jeff Swaying as a blocker as opposed to what
Speaker 1: you have with James Hannah From what you got. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys are there every day, you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of all that you're watching these games and am I crazy?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean this as a knock on Jeff Swam.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's had a bad year. But I
Speaker 1: thought he was better last year. He stood out more
Speaker 1: like more better place. He was more of a part
Speaker 1: of it. It seemed like like you saw his contributions
Speaker 1: a little bit more. He had those boot actions. I'll
Speaker 1: never I mean the fourth down against Washington, that's I
Speaker 1: mean that that's the number one play in his highlight
Speaker 1: reel to this point in his career. I would think
Speaker 1: she'll tell you though, that you watched the toss sweep,
Speaker 1: you know, the toss sweep that they had that scored
Speaker 1: with they scored with Rod Smith who who crashed the who?
Speaker 1: Thereything crashed down inside. I think he's a very underrated
Speaker 1: player for this team. I do. I think Jeff Swain
Speaker 1: is one of those guys. And here we are having
Speaker 1: tight in talk. But it brings into what Hannah sure,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel terrible about James Hannah not
Speaker 1: practicing knowing what I know about what I think I
Speaker 1: can get from Jeff Swain. And and and I know
Speaker 1: we had a he had a great catch the other day.
Speaker 1: That was a great extent catch sure, But how many
Speaker 1: times have we said, oh, they threw the ball to
Speaker 1: Hannah again and it's incomplete, and it's oh, it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but they don't throw him the ball. And
Speaker 1: you could say the same thing now about Jeff Swain,
Speaker 1: if you want to make an argument, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not trying to knock anybody, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that the drop off from Witt and Hannah
Speaker 1: Swain to Witten Swain Jarwin is like something that's going
Speaker 1: to sink them, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: think that I think you can get by, it'll sink
Speaker 1: you if you don't block that. Well, sure, Jlio Mack,
Speaker 1: and that's your plan. Yeah, no, Well we just talked
Speaker 1: about Alile's got that he's gonna hold it, don't all
Speaker 1: by himself. It's fine. I would kind of look maybe
Speaker 1: give him a little bit of hot I'd look for
Speaker 1: a little help over and that I said this just
Speaker 1: kind of just being on your show. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a little insight, little help. That's some next level insight
Speaker 1: right there. You gotta block Khalil Mack gotta that's not
Speaker 1: next level at all. Um, all right, I'm gonna switch gears.
Speaker 1: I know Bryce Butler was a DNPA. He wasn't even
Speaker 1: active on Sunday. I mean, we'll see how he goes
Speaker 1: as the week goes on. But I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. We did Oakland's offense yesterday, but I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about Amari Cooper. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna play. Look limpy in that case
Speaker 1: game he looked very limpy. He's got a bad ankle.
Speaker 1: Uh Like. I mean, we're not gonna know until the
Speaker 1: week goes on a little bit more. But tell him,
Speaker 1: like why why what's going on with they they are
Speaker 1: not catching the ball? Well, that group is not catching
Speaker 1: the ball as a whole. I think that has been
Speaker 1: a big, big issue. You know, you think the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if we were on talking Raiders or the Raiders break
Speaker 1: or whatever, we'd be talking about why these receivers not
Speaker 1: catching the football. I mean that's a big, big issue
Speaker 1: for these guys. You watch the ball going down the field.
Speaker 1: The cow Boys need to make this a contested game.
Speaker 1: They need to make this a contested game with the
Speaker 1: with the Oakland receivers. Don't give them any free access.
Speaker 1: Don't let them drive on ball, don't let them do
Speaker 1: anything to get their hands on football. Because every play
Speaker 1: that I've seen so far that they've had drops on
Speaker 1: a lot of it has been contested stuff. You just
Speaker 1: can't teams that have got to the Raiders receivers, it's
Speaker 1: been contested footballs that's made them drop the ball. What
Speaker 1: do you attribute this to? It's I think the parallels
Speaker 1: are really interesting. We talked about this before. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are arguably, based on the expectation and where we're
Speaker 1: at now, maybe the two most disappointing teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I think you could throw the Buccaneers in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's now. And now with the whether Denver Broncos started
Speaker 1: in what they are now, that's another one of those
Speaker 1: disappointing teams. Do you agree with my overall point? Oh? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I do so. And another similarity, these wide receiver corps
Speaker 1: are not having great seasons. No, they're not. We can
Speaker 1: talk about it for the Cowboys. I mean we've hit
Speaker 1: on a lot of those issues. Separation, quarterback accuracy, that's
Speaker 1: and you're telling so you're telling me these Oakland receivers
Speaker 1: just can't beat coverage. So they've they've really they've struggled.
Speaker 1: They have. I mean, you watch what Kansas City was
Speaker 1: able to do to them and even to the Giants
Speaker 1: to a point. You know, they they contested a lot
Speaker 1: of footballs. And I was going to ask Ambar about
Speaker 1: this because we always talk about the young secondary. Can't
Speaker 1: can this defense make contested plays with what you've seen,
Speaker 1: guys from Cheeto and Lewis, I'm a little if you
Speaker 1: on Scandrick going this weekend. By the way, Yeah we
Speaker 1: didn't even hit you didn't mention him, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about that. Fine, you threw a little
Speaker 1: bit of shade all three. I'm just saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I liked what I've seen from the rookie so far,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they've done a good job. Yeah they haven't perfect,
Speaker 1: but they've done a good job. And honestly, you don't
Speaker 1: have anything better than that. It's all yeah, So okay.
Speaker 1: We feel good though that you can go out and
Speaker 1: make contested plays in this game. These dudes. And when
Speaker 1: I say these dudes, I mean Cheeto and Jordan and
Speaker 1: n Xavier, like they made plays on the ball on
Speaker 1: Sunday A yeah, afternoon. I always want to say night,
Speaker 1: but they played at noon. Yeah, I mean Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: can tests everything that comes his way. Cheeto made the
Speaker 1: play that led to the Shawn Lee interception. It tests
Speaker 1: the ball inside too. Yeah, maybe it should have been
Speaker 1: a flag, but he broke up that pass down the
Speaker 1: sideline where he kind of launched himself. I think I
Speaker 1: think he kind of got away with one a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it didn't get called, so it counts as a
Speaker 1: good play in my book. Yeah, I'm I'm intrigued and
Speaker 1: excited about what I see from those guys in the
Speaker 1: sense that they do those types of things where they're
Speaker 1: making plays on the ball in the air if they
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, but I could see them reading
Speaker 1: a route and maybe jumping a ball, like how how
Speaker 1: long has it been since we saw a Dallas cornerback
Speaker 1: Like jump a route? Yeah, I'll knock one down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't let the ball get inside. That's how I see.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I ask you real quick though, too, about
Speaker 1: that that whole thing though, you know, playing routes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Would it surprise you though if they
Speaker 1: tried to get Anthony brownmore involved saying some slot stuff
Speaker 1: instead of Woods, Are you okay, you're obvious, okay with
Speaker 1: what you've seen with the majority of the things, But
Speaker 1: if you had to pick one thing out, do you
Speaker 1: worry about Woods playing in the slot? I don't think
Speaker 1: Woods has been bad, but I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: see a trust him. It hasn't looked so amazing that
Speaker 1: I'm just comfortable like he's just shutting people down, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And honest, I mean he I think he's a safety
Speaker 1: and he just doesn't Obviously he's got quick twitch and
Speaker 1: athleticis I mean, he's an NFL defensive back, but he's
Speaker 1: not as faster as quick as Anthony Brown is. I
Speaker 1: don't like. I mean, I think Anthony Brown's skill set
Speaker 1: fits that a little bit. See, I think they're in
Speaker 1: that mode MBAR where they're gonna think about do we
Speaker 1: see do we see? Okay? Do we need to get
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown on the field. We need to get his
Speaker 1: confidence back, you know? And is playing the slot going
Speaker 1: to get his confidence back? And is he a better
Speaker 1: option in the slot than Xavier Woods? I would I
Speaker 1: would guess it's probably about the same right now. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm I'm into seeing what he
Speaker 1: can I feel like I've seen more noticeable mistakes from
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown over the course of the year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But she's not wrong. I would argue that's why he's
Speaker 1: trying to find a spot right now. You're right about that.
Speaker 1: I would argue that he's been on the field more
Speaker 1: than exaction he has. True. And so I mean, the
Speaker 1: larger your sample size, especially at defensive back, the large
Speaker 1: the larger chance you're gonna mess up. I know, you
Speaker 1: gotta get to break something here. We got, okay, a
Speaker 1: few minutes, shortleash, long leash. Now of what you've seen
Speaker 1: with has your opinion of those guys gone from a
Speaker 1: short leash to okay, we need Scandric out there, we
Speaker 1: need you know, we need Brown out there? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it for the young guys? Is it a longer leash? Now?
Speaker 1: This is this is a really I don't want to
Speaker 1: say fun but it's an interesting spot for the secondary
Speaker 1: for me because I think everybody's got a long leash,
Speaker 1: because I mean, the season is already well, but man,
Speaker 1: you are hinging on being in the playoffs. Potentially you are,
Speaker 1: but it's not like there's somebody else that's this massive upgrade. Well,
Speaker 1: she said that that's exactly what she said. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick has had a good season, but I don't
Speaker 1: he's not going to make the Pro Bowl, and your safeties,
Speaker 1: you know, you're shuffling your safeties you basically is that
Speaker 1: the bigger question? I guess The point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is just that I want to see these young
Speaker 1: guys because we've we've seen, we've seen what the rest
Speaker 1: of this looks like. And to this point, the young
Speaker 1: guys they haven't been amazing, but they haven't been so
Speaker 1: bad that they just don't belong on the field, right Like,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about drafted a corner right at whenever
Speaker 1: you draft, grow these guys into the fire, like the
Speaker 1: whole cliche, iron sharpens, iron like, let them harden up
Speaker 1: in the fire, and hopefully when they're done playing this month,
Speaker 1: you can look at them as a strength of your
Speaker 1: team going into twenty eighteen, whether you make the playoffs
Speaker 1: or not, you can sit back and say, man, we
Speaker 1: got about six dbs that we really feel like can play.
Speaker 1: Were you on board with them letting go of all
Speaker 1: their defensive backs last year to play these kids? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, at the beginning of the season. It was
Speaker 1: very concerning. We all know how bad the secondary was,
Speaker 1: and it's finally getting to that point where to me personally,
Speaker 1: I think I'm really seeing some true improvement and something
Speaker 1: that gives me hope moving forward. And we just had
Speaker 1: to wait for these rookies to get healthy. They just had,
Speaker 1: you know, those hurdles along the way. That's the point
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, the hurdles and the health. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to get over the hurdles, but they had
Speaker 1: to have their health. It's a shame it happened so
Speaker 1: late in a year. Yeah, but I mean they're still playing.
Speaker 1: I mean they're still playing for a shot. But it's
Speaker 1: a shame that they couldn't in a week three after
Speaker 1: the Denver debacle just say hey, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I would argue that, I mean, the secondary
Speaker 1: isn't the reason why this team is where it is, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd be interesting to hear where you're going
Speaker 1: with this. I mean, the run defense more than anything else,
Speaker 1: and then the income. That's what Sean Lee. Without Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: hasn't it been, Yeah, I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee Anthony Hitchins. You've missed both of them for
Speaker 1: stretches of the season. Yeah, I mean this team hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten torched really in the passing game by anybody other
Speaker 1: than maybe Aaron Rodgers up rivers. Well okay, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: You got me there that I don't. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: this theme like if you twenty thirteen, you can look
Speaker 1: at the second say, oh my god, yeah that was
Speaker 1: a disaster. Yeah, it's been up and down, But like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm excited to see where it stands. When
Speaker 1: these guys have had a chance to play the whole
Speaker 1: month of December and get some games. You might your
Speaker 1: playoff lives might be in those kids hands, right, because
Speaker 1: no time like the present to get some experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's not like there's you know,
Speaker 1: Burry Church isn't on the sideline. He's in Jacksonville. So
Speaker 1: like you don't have a better option anyway, you might
Speaker 1: as well see what these guys got. Yeh. What was
Speaker 1: Shaan Lee listed out on injury yesterday? Sean Lee? He limited?
Speaker 1: I think he was limited, But I think that's more
Speaker 1: like him being Shawn Lee, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that's maintenance. Yeah, mate, I mean he took a
Speaker 1: series off in the game for maintenance. He's I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna put it. I think they're putting him in
Speaker 1: the same boat as as Collins and Tied. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not going to practice m on Wednesday, and like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get Thursday. I mean, I know Jason Garrett's for practice,
Speaker 1: but I am in favor of that, I think. And
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's one guy. I am not worried about seeing
Speaker 1: him not practicing during the week. Like, I'm okay, if
Speaker 1: you want to sit down, sit down, you deserve it.
Speaker 1: I trust you take Wednesday off, take Thursday too. If
Speaker 1: it's going to help you play better. Hey, you are?
Speaker 1: You are going at it all right? We gotta take
Speaker 1: our first break. This is the Dave, Amber and Brian Show.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a few questions after that, but
Speaker 1: start us with a brief overview of just what we're
Speaker 1: looking at with this Oakland defense. Yeah, they've had their
Speaker 1: share of struggles. That the problem that you know the
Speaker 1: Giants last week they had the rushers, the secondary was bad.
Speaker 1: Similar situation of what's going on right now with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: They don't do a very good job of denying people
Speaker 1: in routes. But what you have to be leary of
Speaker 1: what they do is their pass rush. You have to
Speaker 1: be worried about Khalil Mack. You just cannot let him
Speaker 1: take over a game. He's gonna play primarily over lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: They'd like to move him around, you know when you
Speaker 1: talked about him, Bruce Serving. This is another team again,
Speaker 1: we've seen it now, it's been a trend the last
Speaker 1: four weeks with teams having two legitimate pass rushers. So
Speaker 1: your hope is that Tyrn Smith can can take Bruce
Speaker 1: Serving out of the game and don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about him. But they will do something. Will they put
Speaker 1: Bruce Serving and then Khalil Mack on the same side
Speaker 1: of the field, and they'll try and wreck your scheme
Speaker 1: of maybe Okay, we're gonna slide the line this way,
Speaker 1: or we're gonna single this, double that. So you just
Speaker 1: have to be alert about, Okay, where it is going to,
Speaker 1: where's fifty two and fifty one on the field, and
Speaker 1: are they together? You know, that's where the identification needs
Speaker 1: to take place. But the pass rush is their best
Speaker 1: weapon when it comes to because they don't create any turnovers.
Speaker 1: This team just does not get any turnovers. And that's
Speaker 1: that's been a huge problem. Now it's good to hear
Speaker 1: watching the Giants game. Khalil Mack. They got down into
Speaker 1: they got down in the red zone. Giants are trying
Speaker 1: to score right before the half. Gino Smith drops back
Speaker 1: and what happens. They blow the protection and then here
Speaker 1: comes Khalil Mack around the edge. Tomahawks the ball out
Speaker 1: of Gino Smith's hands, Raiders recover ball going the other way.
Speaker 1: You know, everything bad has happened to you here you
Speaker 1: have a chance to score and then you just state
Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't create turnovers, they and they
Speaker 1: don't intercept the ball. They don't get you know, that
Speaker 1: was a fumble, sack fumble. But that's the thing I
Speaker 1: would be worried about though. If you get in a
Speaker 1: situation where you do breakdowns on your offensive line, but
Speaker 1: you have to feel good about the way this offensive
Speaker 1: line has played. The last you do, you do And
Speaker 1: again we talked about I think Amber made a really
Speaker 1: good point about the way Collins has played. I tried
Speaker 1: to get you guys to say he was the third
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. That tells me right there. You're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you still have Tyrn Smith, you still have Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: you still have Zach Martin. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I still don't think he's one of the best three,
Speaker 1: but like he's playing at a level where like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to but but you kind of
Speaker 1: told me there's three other guys, so there's four guys
Speaker 1: and then throwing what Jonathan Cooper has been able to do.
Speaker 1: I think that for the most part. You know, I
Speaker 1: thought they did a nice job against the Giants last week.
Speaker 1: There were more pocket passes last week than what we've seen.
Speaker 1: So I just think this week you're going to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more help with Lyle Collins. When we
Speaker 1: get into that twelve personnel, one back, two tights, thirteen personnel,
Speaker 1: one back, three tight ends, I think you're gonna see
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: make Khalil Mack run the hump a little more, try
Speaker 1: and keep them a little bit wider. That's what I
Speaker 1: really worry about. I don't worry about their secondary particular.
Speaker 1: I don't think Dexter McDonald. I don't think Sean Smith
Speaker 1: are going to do anything to scare me. Like I say,
Speaker 1: you know, they drafted the kid Conley. He's on IRY
Speaker 1: and he was one of those guys that they were really,
Speaker 1: really hopeful. You know that we when we saw him
Speaker 1: Dave last year on the Draft show, we thought he
Speaker 1: was one of the best quarterbacks in the in the draft,
Speaker 1: and so here he is on IR. So they're struggling
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Reggie Nelson Karl. Joseph was a guy
Speaker 1: they drafted in twenty sixteen and the first round pick.
Speaker 1: Though you know, he's a guy that has not really
Speaker 1: lived up to the big hit promise, which he was.
Speaker 1: So there were two. There were two. Keyan O'Neill was
Speaker 1: the other one, right, Keyan O'Neil is playing like a gangbuster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tom Dimitroff got the right guy and so which you know,
Speaker 1: I think of them to get like I think of
Speaker 1: them in the same thought basically, right, you're telling me
Speaker 1: Joseph has not been Joseph has not been as good
Speaker 1: as Neil. That that that has been factual? Is it? So?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember the exa back day, but
Speaker 1: the Raiders actually fired their defensive coordinator mid season, Cowboy
Speaker 1: Ken Norton brighter right, John Pagano, Now, yeah, did you
Speaker 1: go did you go back far enough to watch any
Speaker 1: games when Norton was still I just I kind of
Speaker 1: I figured without Norton being there that they were that's
Speaker 1: fair that they just gonna do. See what the scheme was.
Speaker 1: I get. Well. The reason I bring it up is
Speaker 1: if you had asked me, like a month ago, Bruce
Speaker 1: about Bruce Irvan I would have said he's having he's
Speaker 1: having a disappointing time, and sure, but he's caught on
Speaker 1: in these last few games he has And that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it. That's that's where I worry because, to me,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are gonna have problems in this game,
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things you have to
Speaker 1: look at it. And actually in matchups today I wrote
Speaker 1: about Navarro Bowman, the middle linebacker for the Raiders. Boy
Speaker 1: Navarro Bowman here would have been. He just couldn't get
Speaker 1: him to leave the bear. He's a family guy, he's
Speaker 1: got his kids. You think they could have backed up
Speaker 1: a Brinks truck. I would have tried. I would have tried.
Speaker 1: But you know, you're talking about a guy with some injuries.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy. They're gonna have to account for
Speaker 1: him in this game. If you're gonna want to run
Speaker 1: the football, you're gonna have to count for Navara Bowman.
Speaker 1: If you remember the San Francisco game, not this year,
Speaker 1: but last year, Dallas was struggling running the football, really
Speaker 1: weren't getting anything going on offense. Then Bowman goes out
Speaker 1: of the game all sudden. Then the gates open up
Speaker 1: same type of player. If Travis Frederick and the inside
Speaker 1: guys Cooper and also Martin, they can't allow him to
Speaker 1: just run. It would be very similar to what the
Speaker 1: Giants did last week with Sean Lee. You know, if
Speaker 1: you don't block him, if you don't get a hat
Speaker 1: on him, if you don't take care of him, he's
Speaker 1: capable of making every single tackle. So that's where you're
Speaker 1: you know in the middle. Watch that here you got
Speaker 1: these guys screaming the edges. Now you've got a guy
Speaker 1: that could play the middle as well as he does.
Speaker 1: That's that's a problem. So we've we've given a lot
Speaker 1: of love to their pass rush and clear I mean
Speaker 1: if Navara Bowman, but the secondary has been which awful?
Speaker 1: I want to zone in on that. Which of these
Speaker 1: matchups do you like for the Cowboys When you're just
Speaker 1: thinking about how you think it's gonna play out? I mean,
Speaker 1: is this which I mean, we've been looking for this
Speaker 1: all year and haven't really seen it, But is this
Speaker 1: a Dez game? This could be? I think I think
Speaker 1: this is a I think this is a Dez game
Speaker 1: as far as you know, maybe a seven for maybe
Speaker 1: a seven for eighty something kind of a game, you know,
Speaker 1: finding way. I think there's some routes that I think
Speaker 1: they're going back and getting not going back. They're gonna
Speaker 1: keep hitting the slant routes. They're gonna keep hitting the digs,
Speaker 1: the deep ends, things like that, things where he could
Speaker 1: come inside and separate. They need him to win right
Speaker 1: off the line. That's where that's where, that's where he's
Speaker 1: at his absolute best. When he can win right off
Speaker 1: the line. When he does that, then you have a chance.
Speaker 1: I don't think McDonald or smith. Smith is probably the
Speaker 1: better of the two to have to make the coverage
Speaker 1: on him. They got this Travis Carry who will play
Speaker 1: the nickel. He's kind of listed as a starter, but
Speaker 1: he's really more of a nickel player. But that that
Speaker 1: could be a win for your right there. With Bees,
Speaker 1: I don't see a dynamic I don't see any dynamic
Speaker 1: players in that secondary and that and that's a little
Speaker 1: bit like what the Giants had last week. He had
Speaker 1: one dynamic player landing Collins, and then everybody else were
Speaker 1: pretty much slappies, which the great choice of words right there.
Speaker 1: I hear everything that you're saying and stuff, But again,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things not like the Cowboys wide
Speaker 1: receivers have been dynamic. Yeah either that's that's fair, It doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it matters that their secondary is not good. But when
Speaker 1: you look at the place and good thing that we
Speaker 1: saw does making some places towards the end of the
Speaker 1: second half of the game against New York. But again
Speaker 1: we've seen those plays where yeah, the corner is there,
Speaker 1: but it's still not because of the corner covering him.
Speaker 1: It's more because oh, he dropped the ball or he
Speaker 1: couldn't catch it, or you know. Get She's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I get in that argument with people all the time
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, their secondaries not any good, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you watched these team games, like our receivers
Speaker 1: aren't very good either. So I think she makes a
Speaker 1: great point in that, because again, the Cowboys can't come
Speaker 1: out of this game. To me, I don't anytime long yardage,
Speaker 1: third down, you know, you don't want to get in
Speaker 1: that the thing, the thing that without Ezekiel. And then
Speaker 1: again this is only for one more week. You know
Speaker 1: that that that down in distance of second and nine,
Speaker 1: you know, or second and ten, you know, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you throw it in complete and
Speaker 1: it's third and ten. You just don't want to get in.
Speaker 1: You don't convert a lot of those. Some teams are
Speaker 1: capable of it, and some teams aren't. Dallas is one
Speaker 1: of those teams that doesn't play very well at third
Speaker 1: and ten. They just don't do it. And it's to
Speaker 1: Amber's point that when you get receivers that get contested plays,
Speaker 1: we you know, we talk about the Raiders receivers, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in the same boat. We've seen the ball
Speaker 1: clang off Terrence Williams when you throw at a contested ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We've seen Cole Beasley lose a ball in the sun.
Speaker 1: We've seen things happen to these receivers that that we
Speaker 1: didn't see last year, and that that's that's a detriment
Speaker 1: to this offense. Does does the I don't want to
Speaker 1: say the emergence, but yeah, does the breakout of Rod
Speaker 1: Smith against New York do anything for you? I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting it to change the way that they
Speaker 1: approached this. Yeah, but having seen what he can do,
Speaker 1: does that change how you want to what do you
Speaker 1: play this thing at all? Do you think I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, do you think they change? Do you think
Speaker 1: do you think so, I mean, it sound like this
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Yeah, I don't see that. I would imagine
Speaker 1: them starting Alfred Morris again and just kind of doing
Speaker 1: what they've been doing and rotating in. She's right. You
Speaker 1: both are right to me. You're both right. It's coaches
Speaker 1: hate change. Everybody's like, well, gosh, play start rod Smith still, Yeah,
Speaker 1: start up ahead and start. You know, no, coaches don't
Speaker 1: think that way. They're think, Okay, what have we had
Speaker 1: success doing on first and second down? And even though
Speaker 1: rod Smith has had some really some I think that
Speaker 1: was the first game that we saw Rod Smith that
Speaker 1: reminded us of the preseason, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: on our show, you know, with with you know, talking
Speaker 1: about that, I was like, for the six weeks that
Speaker 1: Zeke was gone, I was screaming, give me the mean,
Speaker 1: nasty sob guy, whoever that guy is, give me that
Speaker 1: guy to tote the ball for six weeks. I need
Speaker 1: to have my offense be physical. I need my running
Speaker 1: game to get going. I need to establish things. And
Speaker 1: I've kind of thought rod Smith was that guy, and
Speaker 1: then he kind of cream puffed me for a couple
Speaker 1: of times, a couple of games where I was like,
Speaker 1: you stop running like that, you'll run a little better,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I think last week against a
Speaker 1: giant defense that you know, the front four is very capable,
Speaker 1: but we saw a better vision, we saw better cuts,
Speaker 1: we saw more physical runs. You know you're gonna need
Speaker 1: that in this game. You needed to find a way
Speaker 1: to kill the Raiders will to compete, and the way
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do that is with their offense. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they think of Rod Smith as their closer like
Speaker 1: we got. We got a sturdy, like veteran guy who
Speaker 1: can get us through the first seven innings and Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris and then send in the six three tank guy
Speaker 1: who you know you don't want any party. Have they
Speaker 1: used him like that in five games? I thought they
Speaker 1: used him like that against New York I mean no, no,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying for the five but the five games
Speaker 1: since Seek's been gone, I don't think they started using
Speaker 1: him enough until probably the way Washington game. I don't have.
Speaker 1: That's some stats in front of me. But he wasn't
Speaker 1: getting the work. That's to her. That's to her point.
Speaker 1: Why would coaches not switch? I mean, see, that's what
Speaker 1: we get into. We talk about this every day. But
Speaker 1: on the other side of the building, they're thinking, we're
Speaker 1: gonna run Alfred. We're gonna run Alfred. Okay, let's put
Speaker 1: Smith in. We're gonna run off. You know, you're you're
Speaker 1: kind of like going, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, put
Speaker 1: the guy in it, you know. But we've seen when
Speaker 1: Alfred has gotten going, then they put Rod Like we've
Speaker 1: seen those scenarios. It's like rhyme reason. We are like,
Speaker 1: why don't they make the switch? But then they make
Speaker 1: a switch and he's like, okay, why are you making
Speaker 1: the switch now? So these are the same guys that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are the same guys that take Zeke off the field,
Speaker 1: you know once a half for Alfred, or put Lance
Speaker 1: Dunbar in there in a situation. Right, I don't know. Right,
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Now, you're you're right, You're right. You
Speaker 1: gotta be You're gonna have to be able to move
Speaker 1: the ball against these guys and teams half teams half.
Speaker 1: But you've got it. You've got to figure out a way.
Speaker 1: I worry more about I worry about their pass rush
Speaker 1: I do. I worry about that a lot, because again,
Speaker 1: could could you know let's hope not. Could we see
Speaker 1: the one bad game? Yeah? From you know, it only
Speaker 1: takes one. Yeah, we saw what happens in Atlanta when
Speaker 1: a pass rush takes over the game. It's a disaster.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a real football one on one question.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not always the expert I paint myself
Speaker 1: to be. Why don't more teams do what you're talking
Speaker 1: about here? With Irvin and Matt coming from the same side,
Speaker 1: especially if you think you have a favorable matchup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Just give up on Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: and ye try to get other and you know what
Speaker 1: that that happened last week in the game if you remember,
Speaker 1: because because what they did was they took Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: and they put him on Yeah, they put him on
Speaker 1: a Lile Collins side. He started the game, Jason Pierre
Speaker 1: Paul played basically a half over on the on the
Speaker 1: on the right side, and Olivier Vernon, who they feel
Speaker 1: like he's their best pass rusher, went up against Loud Collins.
Speaker 1: I think that's why Annabar was thinking, this guy played
Speaker 1: pretty well. This guy man I Olivia Vernon didn't really
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of held him held him in check.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just seems like it makes sense. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: but you know teams, teams will scheme you that way.
Speaker 1: They you know, why try a team that does that,
Speaker 1: like a New England will do that. New England will
Speaker 1: take their best players and put them next to each other.
Speaker 1: So the best the best coach team. Yeah, do that. See,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. You've got it to me.
Speaker 1: I always look at matchups. Who is your worst player,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack that guy. I'm gonna make you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make you change, and then if you change, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go attack another guy. But I'm figuring out
Speaker 1: that goes back to your adjustments. It's not all about Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play more zone more man. No, who is
Speaker 1: your worst guy out there and I and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna cover your worst receiver, But whoever your best receiver
Speaker 1: and tied in is, I'm gonna I'm gonna cover them
Speaker 1: all day. That's all I do it. In in that vein,
Speaker 1: who are you going after? I mean, if you're the coach, scheme,
Speaker 1: I'm going after Dexter McDonald and secondary boom. Yeah. Number
Speaker 1: twenty three I'm going after Dexter McDonald cornerback. Yeah, whoever
Speaker 1: number twenty three is, find him, feed des feed des
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Speaker 1: got two quick questions, um um Elsie Um Collins. He
Speaker 1: came out in the same draft as Flowers, right, would
Speaker 1: that be Trey Flowers? No, the flowers, the flowers from
Speaker 1: the giants, the giants. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, Eric Flowers yeah,
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, that was Sheriff and Sheriff fifteen. Yeah, Sheriff
Speaker 1: and and and Flowers And yes, absolutely Collins was in
Speaker 1: that draft, right. Do you think the Giants were targeting
Speaker 1: him until that's that negative stuff came out about him
Speaker 1: that I don't believe at all. I have it on
Speaker 1: very good authority that actually, well maybe the Giants, but
Speaker 1: the Redskins too, right lyle maybe goes as high as
Speaker 1: five if none of that happens. Yeah, I think what happened.
Speaker 1: I think what happened real quick is that when the
Speaker 1: when the Redskins took Sheriff, boy, that messed up the
Speaker 1: That messed up the Giants. Yeah, and then they said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's take the next best tackle they felt like, but
Speaker 1: there were so many questions about Collins that they couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. Now. At the time, Tom Coughlin was a
Speaker 1: coach there, so that's a you know, he's a kind
Speaker 1: of a Big ten guy. He's that he likes that,
Speaker 1: that kind of a player. The Giants traditionally have drafted
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from the Big ten. If you go ball
Speaker 1: the way back to like Jumbo Elliott and those guys
Speaker 1: from Michigan and things. So yeah, they were they were
Speaker 1: looking at Now Collins wouldn't have had the problems. I
Speaker 1: feel like that he would have been a top ten pick,
Speaker 1: no question for sure. Yeah. Um. Add one more thing
Speaker 1: that the two years deal he got. Do you think
Speaker 1: that was just like a proved deal or he's going
Speaker 1: to demand a lot more money after how he's been
Speaker 1: playing the last couple of weeks. I don't think of
Speaker 1: it so much as a proved deal. I think of
Speaker 1: it as let's be fair to you type of deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Cowboys got him for undrafted money,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, absurd when you think of the
Speaker 1: talent level. He started a season for them, he lost
Speaker 1: his job due to injury, and then you know, so
Speaker 1: you're you're entering year three of what should have been
Speaker 1: a top ten year without having made a ton of money.
Speaker 1: And then obviously they promote him to starting right tackle.
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's one. I think it
Speaker 1: was about the potential that they saw on him to
Speaker 1: be a quality starting tackle. And then on the other side, hey,
Speaker 1: we know you are vastly under earning what you're worth,
Speaker 1: so we're going to throw you a bone and we're
Speaker 1: going to give you a short deal that will allow
Speaker 1: you to maximize your worth in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I think this was a good will deal. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, in the future, let's see how
Speaker 1: you're going to play, and if you continue to play
Speaker 1: on the trajectory that he has been, then then it
Speaker 1: becomes okay, well we got to figure out some them
Speaker 1: to do long term and he'll be in line. But
Speaker 1: it keeps him happy, right, because they're gonna get Zack
Speaker 1: Martin done, right, and that would be then you'll have
Speaker 1: then you'll have all four of your lineman done. But
Speaker 1: and that's good. If Lyell keeps playing the way he's playing, yeah,
Speaker 1: then it might. He's gonna be a tough guy to
Speaker 1: sign when that deal does come up. Absolutely, But I
Speaker 1: wish some fans would have understand how the cap works
Speaker 1: can't keep them all. You gotta let them go. But
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to let him go. They're
Speaker 1: gonna learn that about Anthony Hitchens. That was a mail
Speaker 1: back question that we had this morning, because they drafted
Speaker 1: they drafted Jalen Smith that played Mike linebacker, and I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's where people are going to
Speaker 1: have a really hard time. This is gonna be very
Speaker 1: similar to what happened to Bury Church in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, that they're just gonna let
Speaker 1: a player like him walk because they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out some other things to do. And my last question, guys,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate everything. I'll do. Um that safety that
Speaker 1: um the Raiders guy. I think it was malifol Lou.
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce it. Ye wanted him how he been looking?
Speaker 1: And I'll take it off the air, and you guys
Speaker 1: have a happy holiday, And I appreciate it, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, I haven't seen him much at all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say we didn't even talk about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because we thought he was a guy
Speaker 1: that had, because of his size, had the ability to
Speaker 1: cover that he was going to get more of a play.
Speaker 1: But he has not shown up, and he hurt for
Speaker 1: most of the year or something. He's I honestly don't
Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but I think he's still Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still he's still in that's actually right. He's still
Speaker 1: in the mix with the Raiders. But you do not
Speaker 1: in the games I study, you do not see him
Speaker 1: involved in a lot of their plays. And I want
Speaker 1: to take a question from Amber, but I kind of
Speaker 1: I love talking and salary cap stuff. I kind of
Speaker 1: want to go back to that if we have a minute.
Speaker 1: But Amber, what you got for us? Well soon? So
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about Anthony Hitchings in case he
Speaker 1: does indeed walk away? Yeah, what um draft round would
Speaker 1: that come in? The whole position of this is fascinating
Speaker 1: to me because the way to go, that's a good job.
Speaker 1: That's I should have just I should have just trusted
Speaker 1: you to pick out a good question. You did. That's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about it. Anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I I'm fat sated by that because Anthony Hitchins is
Speaker 1: he's so underrated. In my opinion, he's hugely under He's
Speaker 1: such a big part of what they do at linebacker.
Speaker 1: They're four or five and oh when they have Lee
Speaker 1: and Hitchins on the field together. That's great that they
Speaker 1: drafted Jalen Smith to play Mike. He has shown some
Speaker 1: flashes of having some real ability. Yeah, but can you
Speaker 1: afford to go into next season with Jalen and Lee
Speaker 1: just being your plan? I mean no, No, They're gonna
Speaker 1: early two year old that gets hurt often, and a
Speaker 1: guy that is not one hundred percent back from a
Speaker 1: major injury. You need to see, you know, that's why
Speaker 1: people are already interested in the linebacker at Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely. But the thing about it is he
Speaker 1: plays the same position as Sean Lee. Really, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be an off ball will. That's fine, So yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean, do you move Sean Lee? Arnestly? You draft
Speaker 1: him and have him Sean Lee? And fine if Smith,
Speaker 1: if you're telling me I could get Roquan Smith. Let's
Speaker 1: say they pick seventeen. Let's say he's there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he will be, but whatever. If you're telling
Speaker 1: me he's not a starter in his rookie year, but
Speaker 1: he is a phenomenal and shurance policy for both Jalen
Speaker 1: and Sean and he can find his way out on
Speaker 1: the field in certain packages. Anyway, I'm awesome with that.
Speaker 1: And then so then you're grooming a future Will to
Speaker 1: hopefully play next to Jalen, but he can also be
Speaker 1: a quality replacement for both of those guys. What position
Speaker 1: on this team do you have the most trouble with?
Speaker 1: Just the position you have to name any players what
Speaker 1: position bothers? You, I mean it would have to be safety,
Speaker 1: the safeties bother See that's I mean, everybody's gonna have
Speaker 1: this is gonna be this is gonna be a fun
Speaker 1: discussion this year because I think you would be different
Speaker 1: than maybe what I would be. We're all would come
Speaker 1: up with something because I feel like I need a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, so I'm saying that mean you
Speaker 1: you say, okay, what can we can You can you
Speaker 1: live with Jalen Smith and Sean Lee and not a
Speaker 1: first round linebacker Dave. I can live with Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: if he's playing at his best. We've seen maybe forty
Speaker 1: percent of the time. See, that's what everybody's thinking. They're
Speaker 1: thinking that Jayalen Smith in twenty eighteen, I should make
Speaker 1: that that's but that's a that's a projection. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I hope that's true. But can you go
Speaker 1: into the year just oh, you know they will they
Speaker 1: I know they will. I told I said this show yesterday.
Speaker 1: I can picture it in my mind so clear. Like
Speaker 1: in fact, where at the combine, Stephen and Jerry are
Speaker 1: telling us that like, no, like Jalen's great, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, and like, no, we don't have a backup plane,
Speaker 1: like this is gonna Then we get through the draft
Speaker 1: and we're all like, why didn't they draft a lineback? Exactly?
Speaker 1: The surgery. I mean, I don't know much about surgeries
Speaker 1: and stuff like that how it all works, but the
Speaker 1: surgery he got is that one of those things that
Speaker 1: you could you know, you could re injure yourself all
Speaker 1: the time, but it's just something that has a lot
Speaker 1: of high stakes of injuring yourself. See the thing that
Speaker 1: And that's a great that's a good question because they
Speaker 1: feel like though with the regeneration of the nerve, that
Speaker 1: he'll get that quickness. But now he might not be
Speaker 1: what he was notre Dame, but he might be a
Speaker 1: guy that Oh wait, he's starting to make more burst plays.
Speaker 1: He's starting to run guys down again. I would argue
Speaker 1: we've seen that from time to time, especially in this
Speaker 1: stretch when Lee and Hitchens have been healthy and he's
Speaker 1: only being asked to play twenty or so snaps per game.
Speaker 1: You've seen that burst and when he gets there, he
Speaker 1: hits like a ton of bricks. Right. I love him
Speaker 1: when he's playing great. I can't go into a season
Speaker 1: trusting that that's going to be the case. Are you
Speaker 1: more scared of him or not drafting somebody. I'm more
Speaker 1: scared of not having a fallback plan. So you want
Speaker 1: to draft somebody, you need to. I just made my decision.
Speaker 1: You have to draft somebody. And like I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to Sean Lee. He's so important, he's so good.
Speaker 1: But how how he's he will be thirty two? I mean,
Speaker 1: oh no, I mean linebackers are the running backs of
Speaker 1: the A defense. Like they don't We got to show
Speaker 1: every Friday during the off season. You guys, Award, welcome
Speaker 1: to show up. Garcia. You don't play. You don't play
Speaker 1: till you're forty. I'm just thinking of, for example, the
Speaker 1: whole Seek situation. The Cowboys knew about it forever, right true,
Speaker 1: and then and we saw how they struggle and the
Speaker 1: whole team went down. Now we are at a point
Speaker 1: that we know the linebacker situation. Yeah, so it better
Speaker 1: get addressed and taken care of because once that happens
Speaker 1: and Sean Lee comes down again or something. Oh, they
Speaker 1: knew that this could happened. Yeah, okay, Well then let
Speaker 1: me ask you guys this what's your priorities signing Anthy Hitchens?
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all we're all coming up with great ideas.
Speaker 1: Ambler's like, let's draft. Dave's like, let's draft. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: But what about? What about? What would you do? Who
Speaker 1: would you sacrifice to keep Anthony Hitchens. It's he's a
Speaker 1: high priority, but it's just low level realistic, you know,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think it was realistic. Just told me
Speaker 1: they don't lose football games in him and Lee play.
Speaker 1: How am I supposed to put aside twenty five to
Speaker 1: forty million dollars to resign him? And I don't know
Speaker 1: what the price tag will be, but it will be
Speaker 1: a lot of money. That's and you're already you're you
Speaker 1: have to tag the Marcus, you get rid of Scandrick
Speaker 1: to uh, you get rid of Scandrick to take his
Speaker 1: money to do that, and then you're just robbing Peter
Speaker 1: to pay Paul. I'm asking you, would you read who
Speaker 1: do you take? I'm not okay I was unfairly took
Speaker 1: scander Cat, but I'm just trying to think of guys
Speaker 1: you got only as he did that because of the
Speaker 1: young secondary, the young secondary. That's the only reason why
Speaker 1: I took Standric out of the mix. I would be
Speaker 1: willing to bet that the savings on doing something like
Speaker 1: that still wouldn't be enough to really cover your costs.
Speaker 1: Like I think Anthony Hitchins is going to be paid
Speaker 1: well this offseason. We thought that about who do we else?
Speaker 1: We think of t Will? He Will had a money
Speaker 1: We're thinking t Will was going to make eight million
Speaker 1: dollars so much for that. He Will had opportunities to
Speaker 1: get bigger deals and it just didn't work out. I
Speaker 1: mean though, you think, yes, oh whoa, whoa, you were
Speaker 1: reliably reporting this? Are you What are you doing? I
Speaker 1: hear you're speculating. I hear stuff, you hear stuff as Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, Amber, nice follow up. I let me alone.
Speaker 1: Like he said it himself when he signed here, he
Speaker 1: took less money to come back. He pended his loyalty.
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Who would you sacrifice on? Who
Speaker 1: would you sacrifice on? This same ja has that same loyalty?
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I'm just no, No, that's the number one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to find out. You're trying to get
Speaker 1: desk to take a pay cut. Amber, something's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and assume I don't know the way she's bringing the
Speaker 1: sauce today, the way it stands right now. I just
Speaker 1: I just don't know that you have the money on
Speaker 1: the books to get a deal done with a guy
Speaker 1: like him. But you guys are telling me I have
Speaker 1: to go draft a guy, but I already got a
Speaker 1: guy no can play. It's cheaper to draft a guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: but is he a better player? Same thing that they
Speaker 1: just did in the secondary. She just said that we
Speaker 1: got a lot of needs. What course, they'd all teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL have needs. It's lying back for your
Speaker 1: number one need. Honestly, I think i'd probably agree with Amber.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably safety number one overall, just in
Speaker 1: terms of like because whoa, whoa, wait wait, you drafted
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. You're gonna move Byron Jones. Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: entering a contract year. Okay, that's what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: don't think he Are you keeping Byron Jones? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: keeping Byron Jones. But the problem is are you picking
Speaker 1: up his option? I'm not? All right? There we go,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you need to address the
Speaker 1: future of the position, do you not? Yeah? You probably
Speaker 1: want to upgrade your starters, do you not? Yeah? All right,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Okay, but you're but you're
Speaker 1: telling me though that I know I got a starting
Speaker 1: linebacker that I know is reliable, that could play two spots, right,
Speaker 1: But you guys just want to kick him to the curb.
Speaker 1: I don't want to kick him to the curb. I
Speaker 1: want to do Oh I know, Oh, I know that,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to She brought up a couple receiver
Speaker 1: or receiver. I brought up a corner. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: else that you would say, uh, maybe move on, move on.
Speaker 1: We don't need we need that. We can use that
Speaker 1: money elsewhere. Nobody that immediately jumps out to me to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Am I forgetting somebody? I'm just
Speaker 1: enlighten me. No, you're gonna have to give that right
Speaker 1: that left defensive end? A lot of money? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that A? Is that A? Is that A? Gotta
Speaker 1: pay Lawrence? You gotta pay Irving? David Urry? Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta pay back. Can you afford can you ford to
Speaker 1: give David Irving a high tender? Okay? Would you rather
Speaker 1: have David Irving or or Anthy Hitches. I'd rather have
Speaker 1: Irving again because it's cheaper. He's a restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: You don't have to compete with the market to keep him.
Speaker 1: Are we keeping the Marcus? Yes, but you don't have
Speaker 1: to tender. You don't have to tender that guy. You don't.
Speaker 1: But so if you give David Irving a first round tender,
Speaker 1: you're paying him something like five million dollars, And it's, well, well,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna pay Anthony Hitchens? You think you
Speaker 1: have to pay him five million dollars? Anthony Hitchins, You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to I would Garrett. Okay, even let's say
Speaker 1: even if he gets a t will deal, let's say
Speaker 1: he gets way less than what I think, and you're
Speaker 1: cheerleading for that. That's still but that's still four million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, right, it's ten million and guarantees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so. I mean, like you're talking about significant But
Speaker 1: tell me I'm not losing games with him? Are you
Speaker 1: doing this to me right now? Like you know the
Speaker 1: way this works? You want stuff? Or do you have
Speaker 1: any other questions from give him a break? Seriously, it's
Speaker 1: his birthday, my birthday. He wanted to host a show today.
Speaker 1: All right, well, here's a about Damien Wilson. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: has been the impression of him? And do you guys
Speaker 1: see the team improving the Sam? Oh? There you go,
Speaker 1: here you go. Two thoughts. One is that Sam linebacker
Speaker 1: doesn't even like have a huge role on this team
Speaker 1: the way it is, right. I mean, on Sunday, I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny they announced their starting lineup in nickel.
Speaker 1: They didn't even bother Sam lineback. You're gonna see a
Speaker 1: lot of nickel this week too. On the other side,
Speaker 1: based on the training camp he had, you thought he'd
Speaker 1: be better, didn't you. There's a lot of guys I
Speaker 1: thought that, Dave yep, Well that's why you're seven and
Speaker 1: six right now. Yeah, but I thought I thought he'd
Speaker 1: be better. I thought he'd have a bigger role like
Speaker 1: he was everywhere in training camp, even in the previos.
Speaker 1: Are we finding out that the linebacker position at a
Speaker 1: hole needs to be redone? I think Sean Sean masks
Speaker 1: a lot of problems and hitchens too, which you also
Speaker 1: said his age. Yeah, no, I mean it's a concern
Speaker 1: for sure, it is, yes, But I mean for two
Speaker 1: years Sean stayed healthy after the move to Will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't say that anymore. He's missed half the year.
Speaker 1: Well wall oh this year. Last year he missed a
Speaker 1: game just because a healthy scratch. I remember two years ago,
Speaker 1: when people would complain about Sean Lee's injuries, you would say,
Speaker 1: that's bs. He's been healthy since he moved to Will.
Speaker 1: But the Will, but the Will move has actually been
Speaker 1: beneficial force it has. Yeah, but my point being is
Speaker 1: that the injury issues have cropped up again. This is
Speaker 1: another season. So if he's played eight seasons, four of
Speaker 1: them have been significantly marred by Edger cap Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's something you got to think about.
Speaker 1: And Anthony Hitchins, it's possible he stays here, I suppose,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet on it. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: linebacker is a big concern for me. Okay, So now
Speaker 1: what we sound like, what I'm gathering from everybody here
Speaker 1: is we're gonna do with the linebackers what we did
Speaker 1: with the secondary last year. I wouldn't bet against the draft.
Speaker 1: Just draft two or three guys. I think that's likely. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean you're just gonna sit, You're gonna
Speaker 1: flip that position like he did the safety and the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: But the difference is, I think you got Shaan Lee
Speaker 1: is your pet Shawn Lee to hold everything in place,
Speaker 1: hopefully knock on Wood and then then Jalen Smith and
Speaker 1: you can't I'm not you can't bet on Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to bet against the eater, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he deserves every chance to
Speaker 1: continue to ride the fence. That it's not riding the fence.
Speaker 1: That's common sense. You're riding the fence. Oh, you're just
Speaker 1: trying to provoke me and it's working. Any other questions
Speaker 1: thoughts on Kiev on Fraser, how do you guys expect
Speaker 1: this team to start using him in the future. Actually,
Speaker 1: I had I had one talking point that I wanted
Speaker 1: to hit on, So this is a good segue just
Speaker 1: the safeties in general. She wants new ones. Well, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: how do you feel I'll tell you what I feel
Speaker 1: like though that you you you need to figure out
Speaker 1: what Xavier Woods is. Yeah, and I worry about Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods as a tackler. Now, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I think we've seen him miss some tackles that he
Speaker 1: should have made, you know. And I love the coverability.
Speaker 1: I love that aspect to him, but I need him
Speaker 1: to be a better tackler. If I'm going to play
Speaker 1: him full time, I need him to tackle better. And
Speaker 1: so Jeff, I thought Jeff Heath played out of his
Speaker 1: mind the other day. I think that was one of
Speaker 1: his best tours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ten tackles and just
Speaker 1: not because of the numbers, but he being a good
Speaker 1: position and coverage things got eas down everything that you've
Speaker 1: seen from him this season. Oh, one game, This is
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna get your point there, Garcia. The thing
Speaker 1: with Cavon Frasier, we saw really the one good game
Speaker 1: you know where. And I'm still trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who busted on that thirty five yard pass that Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram route, because I'm kind of thinking, well, maybe Sean
Speaker 1: Lee busted. Well I guess who else was involved Cavon Frasier.
Speaker 1: So you get people to kind of say a little
Speaker 1: two things there, But you know, one game with Cavon
Speaker 1: Frasier playing against the Redskins being good. Now, how about
Speaker 1: some two or three games in a row. Don't miss tackles,
Speaker 1: don't over extend, be where you need to be. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm all for playing him, but I'm also all for
Speaker 1: figuring out though that, Hey, how about a little bit
Speaker 1: more consistent guy. I think that's probably that's a problem
Speaker 1: that I would bet every NFL team except for like Seattle,
Speaker 1: when their guys are healthy, like Eric Berry, like maybe
Speaker 1: five teams in the league feel great about their safeties
Speaker 1: because I look at the Cowboys and I'm like, you've
Speaker 1: got two guys who hit well and are around the ball,
Speaker 1: and you've got two guys who cover better and have problems,
Speaker 1: you know, tackling Jones, Byron and Nixavier better in coverage,
Speaker 1: miss tackles, take bad angles from time to time. Cavon,
Speaker 1: Cavon and Heath hit like a ton of bricks and
Speaker 1: are around the ball. Don't the best tackler of the four?
Speaker 1: Probably Heath? Yeah, if he can get there, Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's your best best tackler. Who's your best cover man? Byron?
Speaker 1: Depending on the situation. I still like Byron down low
Speaker 1: or Byron to carry guys up the field Byron down low,
Speaker 1: Byron cut taking tight ends and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: like that better, which you've got four guys who can
Speaker 1: do part of the job. Well, you don't have anybody
Speaker 1: that can do at all, which you know, if you
Speaker 1: want that guy, you probably got to draft him in
Speaker 1: the top twenty. Bigger concern them with the linebackers, I mean,
Speaker 1: she said, and I don't know if she wants to
Speaker 1: change that. She said, you have to draft linebackers. Now
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't disagree with you. But have
Speaker 1: you brought the safety out there? I think I've seen
Speaker 1: more concerning things from the safeties year from one watching
Speaker 1: the game, the safeties are the ones that upset me
Speaker 1: the most. Customers in Spanish takes it not at all.
Speaker 1: I think the starters bother me more at safety, Like
Speaker 1: you've got good linebacker starters even if Hitchins leaves, Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith can be a good player. Or disappointed in what
Speaker 1: you've seen with Smith at linebacker or what you had
Speaker 1: with here we go again, No, no, no Smith, or
Speaker 1: what you've seen from Byron Jones or Woods. Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean Byron Jones. He had this amazing training Yeah, training camp,
Speaker 1: that's all we talked about. We were doing periscopes. We win.
Speaker 1: We went into the season. I feel I thought we
Speaker 1: did a good job of tempering our expectations on Jalen.
Speaker 1: I mean he had a good training camp two, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I would throw Byron in there, but him and him
Speaker 1: and Malik Collins where two guys had fooled me. We
Speaker 1: talked about Malik has been hurt this year. I don't
Speaker 1: want to dog him for that, but I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: and I thought he would have nine sacks this year.
Speaker 1: But oh, you guys do a fast show. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that was a fast hour. Thank you for joining us
Speaker 1: on this episode, Brian, thank you so much. Thank you guys,
Speaker 1: great good discussions. I hope everybody enjoyed that. Derek and
Speaker 1: Nick will be back tomorrow. Until then, we are on
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