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Speaker 1: I'm start please Yeah, one more time, one more time. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: it is me. Oh God, Kelsey Charles. It's a happy

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Speaker 1: let's see if him practice today. The pattern for them

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Speaker 1: I have an inkling like he's going to do something

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about Amari Cooper. Yeah, we don't

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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Oh, the leading guy set it

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Speaker 1: for me. I was about to say we're back on

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Speaker 1: the break, but it's redundant at this point. Joined by

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Speaker 1: Amber Garcia, Brian brought us. I'm David Hellman. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us here on this beautiful Thursday. Brian, this

427
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Speaker 1: is my favorite part of the show because because you

428
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Speaker 1: don't have to do it today. Derek always makes me

429
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Speaker 1: scout the opposition. Yeah, I got a newfound respect for you,

430
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Speaker 1: my guy, because it's it's hard work. Like you got

431
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Speaker 1: to watch the tape and figure out formations and all

432
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Speaker 1: sorts of other crap. It's a lot of stuff and

433
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Speaker 1: I want you to do it for me today. So

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Speaker 1: you're interested, hum, give me a just start start us off.

435
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a few questions after that, but

436
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Speaker 1: start us with a brief overview of just what we're

437
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Speaker 1: looking at with this Oakland defense. Yeah, they've had their

438
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Speaker 1: share of struggles. That the problem that you know the

439
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: Giants last week they had the rushers, the secondary was bad.

440
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: Similar situation of what's going on right now with the Raiders.

441
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Speaker 1: They don't do a very good job of denying people

442
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: in routes. But what you have to be leary of

443
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Speaker 1: what they do is their pass rush. You have to

444
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Speaker 1: be worried about Khalil Mack. You just cannot let him

445
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Speaker 1: take over a game. He's gonna play primarily over lyle Collins.

446
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Speaker 1: They'd like to move him around, you know when you

447
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: talked about him, Bruce Serving. This is another team again,

448
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: we've seen it now, it's been a trend the last

449
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Speaker 1: four weeks with teams having two legitimate pass rushers. So

450
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Speaker 1: your hope is that Tyrn Smith can can take Bruce

451
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Speaker 1: Serving out of the game and don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about him. But they will do something. Will they put

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Speaker 1: Bruce Serving and then Khalil Mack on the same side

454
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Speaker 1: of the field, and they'll try and wreck your scheme

455
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Speaker 1: of maybe Okay, we're gonna slide the line this way,

456
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: or we're gonna single this, double that. So you just

457
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: have to be alert about, Okay, where it is going to,

458
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: where's fifty two and fifty one on the field, and

459
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: are they together? You know, that's where the identification needs

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Speaker 1: to take place. But the pass rush is their best

461
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Speaker 1: weapon when it comes to because they don't create any turnovers.

462
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 1: This team just does not get any turnovers. And that's

463
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Speaker 1: that's been a huge problem. Now it's good to hear

464
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Speaker 1: watching the Giants game. Khalil Mack. They got down into

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Speaker 1: they got down in the red zone. Giants are trying

466
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Speaker 1: to score right before the half. Gino Smith drops back

467
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Speaker 1: and what happens. They blow the protection and then here

468
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Speaker 1: comes Khalil Mack around the edge. Tomahawks the ball out

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Speaker 1: of Gino Smith's hands, Raiders recover ball going the other way.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything bad has happened to you here you

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Speaker 1: have a chance to score and then you just state

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Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't create turnovers, they and they

473
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Speaker 1: don't intercept the ball. They don't get you know, that

474
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Speaker 1: was a fumble, sack fumble. But that's the thing I

475
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Speaker 1: would be worried about though. If you get in a

476
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Speaker 1: situation where you do breakdowns on your offensive line, but

477
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Speaker 1: you have to feel good about the way this offensive

478
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Speaker 1: line has played. The last you do, you do And

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00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: again we talked about I think Amber made a really

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Speaker 1: good point about the way Collins has played. I tried

481
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Speaker 1: to get you guys to say he was the third

482
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Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. That tells me right there. You're like, no, no, no,

483
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Speaker 1: you still have Tyrn Smith, you still have Travis Frederick,

484
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Speaker 1: you still have Zach Martin. But I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: I still don't think he's one of the best three,

486
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Speaker 1: but like he's playing at a level where like, well, no,

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to but but you kind of

488
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Speaker 1: told me there's three other guys, so there's four guys

489
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Speaker 1: and then throwing what Jonathan Cooper has been able to do.

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Speaker 1: I think that for the most part. You know, I

491
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Speaker 1: thought they did a nice job against the Giants last week.

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Speaker 1: There were more pocket passes last week than what we've seen.

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Speaker 1: So I just think this week you're going to see

494
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Speaker 1: a little bit more help with Lyle Collins. When we

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Speaker 1: get into that twelve personnel, one back, two tights, thirteen personnel,

496
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Speaker 1: one back, three tight ends, I think you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of that. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: make Khalil Mack run the hump a little more, try

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Speaker 1: and keep them a little bit wider. That's what I

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Speaker 1: really worry about. I don't worry about their secondary particular.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Dexter McDonald. I don't think Sean Smith

502
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Speaker 1: are going to do anything to scare me. Like I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, they drafted the kid Conley. He's on IRY

504
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: and he was one of those guys that they were really,

505
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Speaker 1: really hopeful. You know that we when we saw him

506
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Speaker 1: Dave last year on the Draft show, we thought he

507
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Speaker 1: was one of the best quarterbacks in the in the draft,

508
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Speaker 1: and so here he is on IR. So they're struggling

509
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Speaker 1: in the secondary. Reggie Nelson Karl. Joseph was a guy

510
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Speaker 1: they drafted in twenty sixteen and the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Though you know, he's a guy that has not really

512
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Speaker 1: lived up to the big hit promise, which he was.

513
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Speaker 1: So there were two. There were two. Keyan O'Neill was

514
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Speaker 1: the other one, right, Keyan O'Neil is playing like a gangbuster. Yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: Tom Dimitroff got the right guy and so which you know,

516
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Speaker 1: I think of them to get like I think of

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Speaker 1: them in the same thought basically, right, you're telling me

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Speaker 1: Joseph has not been Joseph has not been as good

519
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Speaker 1: as Neil. That that that has been factual? Is it? So?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember the exa back day, but

521
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Speaker 1: the Raiders actually fired their defensive coordinator mid season, Cowboy

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Speaker 1: Ken Norton brighter right, John Pagano, Now, yeah, did you

523
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Speaker 1: go did you go back far enough to watch any

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Speaker 1: games when Norton was still I just I kind of

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Speaker 1: I figured without Norton being there that they were that's

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Speaker 1: fair that they just gonna do. See what the scheme was.

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Speaker 1: I get. Well. The reason I bring it up is

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Speaker 1: if you had asked me, like a month ago, Bruce

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Speaker 1: about Bruce Irvan I would have said he's having he's

530
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Speaker 1: having a disappointing time, and sure, but he's caught on

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Speaker 1: in these last few games he has And that's the

532
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Speaker 1: thing about it. That's that's where I worry because, to me,

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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are gonna have problems in this game,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things you have to

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Speaker 1: look at it. And actually in matchups today I wrote

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Speaker 1: about Navarro Bowman, the middle linebacker for the Raiders. Boy

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Speaker 1: Navarro Bowman here would have been. He just couldn't get

538
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Speaker 1: him to leave the bear. He's a family guy, he's

539
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: got his kids. You think they could have backed up

540
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: a Brinks truck. I would have tried. I would have tried.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you're talking about a guy with some injuries.

542
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: But he's a guy. They're gonna have to account for

543
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Speaker 1: him in this game. If you're gonna want to run

544
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Speaker 1: the football, you're gonna have to count for Navara Bowman.

545
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: If you remember the San Francisco game, not this year,

546
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Speaker 1: but last year, Dallas was struggling running the football, really

547
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: weren't getting anything going on offense. Then Bowman goes out

548
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: of the game all sudden. Then the gates open up

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: same type of player. If Travis Frederick and the inside

550
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Speaker 1: guys Cooper and also Martin, they can't allow him to

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Speaker 1: just run. It would be very similar to what the

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Speaker 1: Giants did last week with Sean Lee. You know, if

553
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Speaker 1: you don't block him, if you don't get a hat

554
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: on him, if you don't take care of him, he's

555
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: capable of making every single tackle. So that's where you're

556
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Speaker 1: you know in the middle. Watch that here you got

557
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: these guys screaming the edges. Now you've got a guy

558
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: that could play the middle as well as he does.

559
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: That's that's a problem. So we've we've given a lot

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Speaker 1: of love to their pass rush and clear I mean

561
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Speaker 1: if Navara Bowman, but the secondary has been which awful?

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Speaker 1: I want to zone in on that. Which of these

563
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Speaker 1: matchups do you like for the Cowboys When you're just

564
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Speaker 1: thinking about how you think it's gonna play out? I mean,

565
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Speaker 1: is this which I mean, we've been looking for this

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Speaker 1: all year and haven't really seen it, But is this

567
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: a Dez game? This could be? I think I think

568
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: this is a I think this is a Dez game

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Speaker 1: as far as you know, maybe a seven for maybe

570
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: a seven for eighty something kind of a game, you know,

571
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: finding way. I think there's some routes that I think

572
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: they're going back and getting not going back. They're gonna

573
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: keep hitting the slant routes. They're gonna keep hitting the digs,

574
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: the deep ends, things like that, things where he could

575
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: come inside and separate. They need him to win right

576
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: off the line. That's where that's where, that's where he's

577
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: at his absolute best. When he can win right off

578
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Speaker 1: the line. When he does that, then you have a chance.

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Speaker 1: I don't think McDonald or smith. Smith is probably the

580
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: better of the two to have to make the coverage

581
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Speaker 1: on him. They got this Travis Carry who will play

582
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: the nickel. He's kind of listed as a starter, but

583
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: he's really more of a nickel player. But that that

584
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: could be a win for your right there. With Bees,

585
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't see a dynamic I don't see any dynamic

586
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: players in that secondary and that and that's a little

587
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: bit like what the Giants had last week. He had

588
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: one dynamic player landing Collins, and then everybody else were

589
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty much slappies, which the great choice of words right there.

590
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I hear everything that you're saying and stuff, But again,

591
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those things not like the Cowboys wide

592
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: receivers have been dynamic. Yeah either that's that's fair, It doesn't. Yeah,

593
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: it matters that their secondary is not good. But when

594
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: you look at the place and good thing that we

595
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: saw does making some places towards the end of the

596
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: second half of the game against New York. But again

597
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: we've seen those plays where yeah, the corner is there,

598
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: but it's still not because of the corner covering him.

599
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: It's more because oh, he dropped the ball or he

600
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: couldn't catch it, or you know. Get She's absolutely right.

601
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: I get in that argument with people all the time

602
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, their secondaries not any good, and

603
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, you watched these team games, like our receivers

604
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: aren't very good either. So I think she makes a

605
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: great point in that, because again, the Cowboys can't come

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Speaker 1: out of this game. To me, I don't anytime long yardage,

607
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: third down, you know, you don't want to get in

608
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that the thing, the thing that without Ezekiel. And then

609
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: again this is only for one more week. You know

610
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: that that that down in distance of second and nine,

611
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, or second and ten, you know, and then

612
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you throw it in complete and

613
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: it's third and ten. You just don't want to get in.

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: You don't convert a lot of those. Some teams are

615
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: capable of it, and some teams aren't. Dallas is one

616
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: of those teams that doesn't play very well at third

617
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: and ten. They just don't do it. And it's to

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00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Amber's point that when you get receivers that get contested plays,

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Speaker 1: we you know, we talk about the Raiders receivers, the

620
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in the same boat. We've seen the ball

621
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: clang off Terrence Williams when you throw at a contested ball. Yeah,

622
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: We've seen Cole Beasley lose a ball in the sun.

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Speaker 1: We've seen things happen to these receivers that that we

624
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't see last year, and that that's that's a detriment

625
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: to this offense. Does does the I don't want to

626
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: say the emergence, but yeah, does the breakout of Rod

627
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Smith against New York do anything for you? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not expecting it to change the way that they

629
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Speaker 1: approached this. Yeah, but having seen what he can do,

630
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Speaker 1: does that change how you want to what do you

631
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Speaker 1: play this thing at all? Do you think I mean,

632
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Speaker 1: you know, do you think they change? Do you think

633
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Speaker 1: do you think so, I mean, it sound like this

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Yeah, I don't see that. I would imagine

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Speaker 1: them starting Alfred Morris again and just kind of doing

636
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Speaker 1: what they've been doing and rotating in. She's right. You

637
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: both are right to me. You're both right. It's coaches

638
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: hate change. Everybody's like, well, gosh, play start rod Smith still, Yeah,

639
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Speaker 1: start up ahead and start. You know, no, coaches don't

640
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Speaker 1: think that way. They're think, Okay, what have we had

641
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: success doing on first and second down? And even though

642
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: rod Smith has had some really some I think that

643
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: was the first game that we saw Rod Smith that

644
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: reminded us of the preseason, you know, when I was

645
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Speaker 1: on our show, you know, with with you know, talking

646
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Speaker 1: about that, I was like, for the six weeks that

647
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Zeke was gone, I was screaming, give me the mean,

648
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: nasty sob guy, whoever that guy is, give me that

649
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: guy to tote the ball for six weeks. I need

650
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: to have my offense be physical. I need my running

651
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: game to get going. I need to establish things. And

652
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I've kind of thought rod Smith was that guy, and

653
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: then he kind of cream puffed me for a couple

654
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: of times, a couple of games where I was like,

655
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: you stop running like that, you'll run a little better,

656
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: you know. And then I think last week against a

657
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: giant defense that you know, the front four is very capable,

658
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: but we saw a better vision, we saw better cuts,

659
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: we saw more physical runs. You know you're gonna need

660
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: that in this game. You needed to find a way

661
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: to kill the Raiders will to compete, and the way

662
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do that is with their offense. I wonder

663
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: if they think of Rod Smith as their closer like

664
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Speaker 1: we got. We got a sturdy, like veteran guy who

665
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: can get us through the first seven innings and Alfred

666
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Speaker 1: Morris and then send in the six three tank guy

667
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: who you know you don't want any party. Have they

668
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: used him like that in five games? I thought they

669
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Speaker 1: used him like that against New York I mean no, no,

670
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Speaker 1: but I'm saying for the five but the five games

671
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Speaker 1: since Seek's been gone, I don't think they started using

672
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Speaker 1: him enough until probably the way Washington game. I don't have.

673
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: That's some stats in front of me. But he wasn't

674
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: getting the work. That's to her. That's to her point.

675
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Why would coaches not switch? I mean, see, that's what

676
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: we get into. We talk about this every day. But

677
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: on the other side of the building, they're thinking, we're

678
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna run Alfred. We're gonna run Alfred. Okay, let's put

679
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Smith in. We're gonna run off. You know, you're you're

680
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of like going, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, put

681
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Speaker 1: the guy in it, you know. But we've seen when

682
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Alfred has gotten going, then they put Rod Like we've

683
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: seen those scenarios. It's like rhyme reason. We are like,

684
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: why don't they make the switch? But then they make

685
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: a switch and he's like, okay, why are you making

686
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the switch now? So these are the same guys that, Yeah,

687
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: these are the same guys that take Zeke off the field,

688
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: you know once a half for Alfred, or put Lance

689
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Dunbar in there in a situation. Right, I don't know. Right,

690
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Now, you're you're right, You're right. You

691
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: gotta be You're gonna have to be able to move

692
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: the ball against these guys and teams half teams half.

693
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: But you've got it. You've got to figure out a way.

694
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I worry more about I worry about their pass rush

695
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: I do. I worry about that a lot, because again,

696
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: could could you know let's hope not. Could we see

697
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: the one bad game? Yeah? From you know, it only

698
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: takes one. Yeah, we saw what happens in Atlanta when

699
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: a pass rush takes over the game. It's a disaster.

700
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a real football one on one question.

701
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not always the expert I paint myself

702
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: to be. Why don't more teams do what you're talking

703
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: about here? With Irvin and Matt coming from the same side,

704
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: especially if you think you have a favorable matchup. Yeah,

705
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Just give up on Tyrn Smith

706
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: and ye try to get other and you know what

707
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: that that happened last week in the game if you remember,

708
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: because because what they did was they took Olivier Vernon

709
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Speaker 1: and they put him on Yeah, they put him on

710
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: a Lile Collins side. He started the game, Jason Pierre

711
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Paul played basically a half over on the on the

712
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Speaker 1: on the right side, and Olivier Vernon, who they feel

713
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: like he's their best pass rusher, went up against Loud Collins.

714
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Speaker 1: I think that's why Annabar was thinking, this guy played

715
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: pretty well. This guy man I Olivia Vernon didn't really

716
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of held him held him in check.

717
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just seems like it makes sense. Yeah. No,

718
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: but you know teams, teams will scheme you that way.

719
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Speaker 1: They you know, why try a team that does that,

720
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: like a New England will do that. New England will

721
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: take their best players and put them next to each other.

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00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: So the best the best coach team. Yeah, do that. See,

723
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. You've got it to me.

724
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Speaker 1: I always look at matchups. Who is your worst player,

725
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack that guy. I'm gonna make you. I'm

726
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna make you change, and then if you change, then

727
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go attack another guy. But I'm figuring out

728
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: that goes back to your adjustments. It's not all about Okay,

729
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna play more zone more man. No, who is

730
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Speaker 1: your worst guy out there and I and I'm not

731
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960
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Speaker 1: all day. That's all I do it. In in that vein,

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Speaker 1: who are you going after? I mean, if you're the coach, scheme,

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Speaker 1: I'm going after Dexter McDonald and secondary boom. Yeah. Number

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741
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Speaker 1: got two quick questions, um um Elsie Um Collins. He

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Speaker 1: came out in the same draft as Flowers, right, would

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Speaker 1: that be Trey Flowers? No, the flowers, the flowers from

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Speaker 1: the giants, the giants. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, Eric Flowers yeah,

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Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, that was Sheriff and Sheriff fifteen. Yeah, Sheriff

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Speaker 1: and and and Flowers And yes, absolutely Collins was in

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Speaker 1: that draft, right. Do you think the Giants were targeting

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00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: him until that's that negative stuff came out about him

817
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: that I don't believe at all. I have it on

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00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: very good authority that actually, well maybe the Giants, but

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Speaker 1: the Redskins too, right lyle maybe goes as high as

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Speaker 1: five if none of that happens. Yeah, I think what happened.

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Speaker 1: I think what happened real quick is that when the

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Speaker 1: when the Redskins took Sheriff, boy, that messed up the

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: That messed up the Giants. Yeah, and then they said, okay,

824
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: let's take the next best tackle they felt like, but

825
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: there were so many questions about Collins that they couldn't

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Speaker 1: do that. Now. At the time, Tom Coughlin was a

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Speaker 1: coach there, so that's a you know, he's a kind

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Speaker 1: of a Big ten guy. He's that he likes that,

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Speaker 1: that kind of a player. The Giants traditionally have drafted

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman from the Big ten. If you go ball

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Speaker 1: the way back to like Jumbo Elliott and those guys

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Speaker 1: from Michigan and things. So yeah, they were they were

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Speaker 1: looking at Now Collins wouldn't have had the problems. I

834
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Speaker 1: feel like that he would have been a top ten pick,

835
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: no question for sure. Yeah. Um. Add one more thing

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Speaker 1: that the two years deal he got. Do you think

837
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: that was just like a proved deal or he's going

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00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: to demand a lot more money after how he's been

839
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Speaker 1: playing the last couple of weeks. I don't think of

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Speaker 1: it so much as a proved deal. I think of

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Speaker 1: it as let's be fair to you type of deal.

842
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Cowboys got him for undrafted money,

843
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: which is, you know, absurd when you think of the

844
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: talent level. He started a season for them, he lost

845
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: his job due to injury, and then you know, so

846
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: you're you're entering year three of what should have been

847
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: a top ten year without having made a ton of money.

848
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: And then obviously they promote him to starting right tackle.

849
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's one. I think it

850
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: was about the potential that they saw on him to

851
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: be a quality starting tackle. And then on the other side, hey,

852
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: we know you are vastly under earning what you're worth,

853
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: so we're going to throw you a bone and we're

854
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: going to give you a short deal that will allow

855
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: you to maximize your worth in a couple of years.

856
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I think this was a good will deal. Yeah, that

857
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, in the future, let's see how

858
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: you're going to play, and if you continue to play

859
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: on the trajectory that he has been, then then it

860
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: becomes okay, well we got to figure out some them

861
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to do long term and he'll be in line. But

862
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: it keeps him happy, right, because they're gonna get Zack

863
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Martin done, right, and that would be then you'll have

864
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: then you'll have all four of your lineman done. But

865
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: and that's good. If Lyell keeps playing the way he's playing, yeah,

866
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: then it might. He's gonna be a tough guy to

867
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: sign when that deal does come up. Absolutely, But I

868
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: wish some fans would have understand how the cap works

869
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: can't keep them all. You gotta let them go. But

870
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to let him go. They're

871
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna learn that about Anthony Hitchens. That was a mail

872
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: back question that we had this morning, because they drafted

873
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: they drafted Jalen Smith that played Mike linebacker, and I

874
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's where people are going to

875
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: have a really hard time. This is gonna be very

876
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: similar to what happened to Bury Church in my opinion. Yeah,

877
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, that they're just gonna let

878
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: a player like him walk because they're gonna have to

879
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: figure out some other things to do. And my last question, guys,

880
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and I appreciate everything. I'll do. Um that safety that

881
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: um the Raiders guy. I think it was malifol Lou.

882
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce it. Ye wanted him how he been looking?

883
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: And I'll take it off the air, and you guys

884
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: have a happy holiday, And I appreciate it, thank you

885
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: very much. Yeah, I haven't seen him much at all.

886
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say we didn't even talk about him. Yeah,

887
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because we thought he was a guy

888
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: that had, because of his size, had the ability to

889
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: cover that he was going to get more of a play.

890
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: But he has not shown up, and he hurt for

891
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: most of the year or something. He's I honestly don't

892
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but I think he's still Yeah,

893
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: he's still he's still in that's actually right. He's still

894
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: in the mix with the Raiders. But you do not

895
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: in the games I study, you do not see him

896
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: involved in a lot of their plays. And I want

897
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: to take a question from Amber, but I kind of

898
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: I love talking and salary cap stuff. I kind of

899
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: want to go back to that if we have a minute.

900
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: But Amber, what you got for us? Well soon? So

901
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about Anthony Hitchings in case he

902
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: does indeed walk away? Yeah, what um draft round would

903
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: that come in? The whole position of this is fascinating

904
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: to me because the way to go, that's a good job.

905
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: That's I should have just I should have just trusted

906
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: you to pick out a good question. You did. That's

907
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about it. Anyway, Yeah, I

908
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I I'm fat sated by that because Anthony Hitchins is

909
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: he's so underrated. In my opinion, he's hugely under He's

910
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: such a big part of what they do at linebacker.

911
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: They're four or five and oh when they have Lee

912
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and Hitchins on the field together. That's great that they

913
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: drafted Jalen Smith to play Mike. He has shown some

914
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: flashes of having some real ability. Yeah, but can you

915
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: afford to go into next season with Jalen and Lee

916
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: just being your plan? I mean no, No, They're gonna

917
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: early two year old that gets hurt often, and a

918
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: guy that is not one hundred percent back from a

919
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: major injury. You need to see, you know, that's why

920
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: people are already interested in the linebacker at Georgia. Yeah,

921
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely. But the thing about it is he

922
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: plays the same position as Sean Lee. Really, he's gonna

923
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: be an off ball will. That's fine, So yeah, but

924
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, do you move Sean Lee? Arnestly? You draft

925
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: him and have him Sean Lee? And fine if Smith,

926
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: if you're telling me I could get Roquan Smith. Let's

927
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: say they pick seventeen. Let's say he's there. I don't

928
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: know if he will be, but whatever. If you're telling

929
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: me he's not a starter in his rookie year, but

930
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: he is a phenomenal and shurance policy for both Jalen

931
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: and Sean and he can find his way out on

932
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: the field in certain packages. Anyway, I'm awesome with that.

933
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: And then so then you're grooming a future Will to

934
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: hopefully play next to Jalen, but he can also be

935
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: a quality replacement for both of those guys. What position

936
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: on this team do you have the most trouble with?

937
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Just the position you have to name any players what

938
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: position bothers? You, I mean it would have to be safety,

939
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: the safeties bother See that's I mean, everybody's gonna have

940
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: this is gonna be this is gonna be a fun

941
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: discussion this year because I think you would be different

942
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: than maybe what I would be. We're all would come

943
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: up with something because I feel like I need a

944
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, so I'm saying that mean you

945
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: you say, okay, what can we can You can you

946
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: live with Jalen Smith and Sean Lee and not a

947
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: first round linebacker Dave. I can live with Jalen Smith

948
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: if he's playing at his best. We've seen maybe forty

949
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: percent of the time. See, that's what everybody's thinking. They're

950
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: thinking that Jayalen Smith in twenty eighteen, I should make

951
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: that that's but that's a that's a projection. I was

952
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna say, I hope that's true. But can you go

953
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: into the year just oh, you know they will they

954
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: I know they will. I told I said this show yesterday.

955
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: I can picture it in my mind so clear. Like

956
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: in fact, where at the combine, Stephen and Jerry are

957
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: telling us that like, no, like Jalen's great, he's gonna

958
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: be fine, and like, no, we don't have a backup plane,

959
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: like this is gonna Then we get through the draft

960
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: and we're all like, why didn't they draft a lineback? Exactly?

961
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: The surgery. I mean, I don't know much about surgeries

962
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that how it all works, but the

963
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: surgery he got is that one of those things that

964
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: you could you know, you could re injure yourself all

965
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: the time, but it's just something that has a lot

966
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: of high stakes of injuring yourself. See the thing that

967
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: And that's a great that's a good question because they

968
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: feel like though with the regeneration of the nerve, that

969
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: he'll get that quickness. But now he might not be

970
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: what he was notre Dame, but he might be a

971
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: guy that Oh wait, he's starting to make more burst plays.

972
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: He's starting to run guys down again. I would argue

973
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: we've seen that from time to time, especially in this

974
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: stretch when Lee and Hitchens have been healthy and he's

975
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: only being asked to play twenty or so snaps per game.

976
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: You've seen that burst and when he gets there, he

977
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: hits like a ton of bricks. Right. I love him

978
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: when he's playing great. I can't go into a season

979
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: trusting that that's going to be the case. Are you

980
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: more scared of him or not drafting somebody. I'm more

981
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: scared of not having a fallback plan. So you want

982
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: to draft somebody, you need to. I just made my decision.

983
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: You have to draft somebody. And like I said, hey,

984
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: you have to Sean Lee. He's so important, he's so good.

985
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: But how how he's he will be thirty two? I mean,

986
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: oh no, I mean linebackers are the running backs of

987
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 1: the A defense. Like they don't We got to show

988
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: every Friday during the off season. You guys, Award, welcome

989
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: to show up. Garcia. You don't play. You don't play

990
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: till you're forty. I'm just thinking of, for example, the

991
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: whole Seek situation. The Cowboys knew about it forever, right true,

992
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: and then and we saw how they struggle and the

993
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: whole team went down. Now we are at a point

994
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: that we know the linebacker situation. Yeah, so it better

995
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: get addressed and taken care of because once that happens

996
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: and Sean Lee comes down again or something. Oh, they

997
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: knew that this could happened. Yeah, okay, Well then let

998
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: me ask you guys this what's your priorities signing Anthy Hitchens?

999
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all we're all coming up with great ideas.

1000
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Ambler's like, let's draft. Dave's like, let's draft. Here's the thing.

1001
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: But what about? What about? What would you do? Who

1002
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: would you sacrifice to keep Anthony Hitchens. It's he's a

1003
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: high priority, but it's just low level realistic, you know,

1004
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't think it was realistic. Just told me

1005
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: they don't lose football games in him and Lee play.

1006
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: How am I supposed to put aside twenty five to

1007
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: forty million dollars to resign him? And I don't know

1008
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: what the price tag will be, but it will be

1009
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: a lot of money. That's and you're already you're you

1010
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: have to tag the Marcus, you get rid of Scandrick

1011
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: to uh, you get rid of Scandrick to take his

1012
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 1: money to do that, and then you're just robbing Peter

1013
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: to pay Paul. I'm asking you, would you read who

1014
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: do you take? I'm not okay I was unfairly took

1015
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: scander Cat, but I'm just trying to think of guys

1016
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: you got only as he did that because of the

1017
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: young secondary, the young secondary. That's the only reason why

1018
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: I took Standric out of the mix. I would be

1019
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: willing to bet that the savings on doing something like

1020
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: that still wouldn't be enough to really cover your costs.

1021
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: Like I think Anthony Hitchins is going to be paid

1022
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: well this offseason. We thought that about who do we else?

1023
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: We think of t Will? He Will had a money

1024
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: We're thinking t Will was going to make eight million

1025
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: dollars so much for that. He Will had opportunities to

1026
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: get bigger deals and it just didn't work out. I

1027
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: mean though, you think, yes, oh whoa, whoa, you were

1028
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: reliably reporting this? Are you What are you doing? I

1029
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: hear you're speculating. I hear stuff, you hear stuff as Yeah,

1030
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: there you go, Amber, nice follow up. I let me alone.

1031
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Like he said it himself when he signed here, he

1032
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: took less money to come back. He pended his loyalty.

1033
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Who would you sacrifice on? Who

1034
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: would you sacrifice on? This same ja has that same loyalty?

1035
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I'm just no, No, that's the number one.

1036
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to find out. You're trying to get

1037
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: desk to take a pay cut. Amber, something's gonna happen,

1038
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: and assume I don't know the way she's bringing the

1039
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: sauce today, the way it stands right now. I just

1040
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: I just don't know that you have the money on

1041
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: the books to get a deal done with a guy

1042
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: like him. But you guys are telling me I have

1043
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: to go draft a guy, but I already got a

1044
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: guy no can play. It's cheaper to draft a guy, Okay,

1045
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: but is he a better player? Same thing that they

1046
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: just did in the secondary. She just said that we

1047
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of needs. What course, they'd all teams

1048
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL have needs. It's lying back for your

1049
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: number one need. Honestly, I think i'd probably agree with Amber.

1050
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I think it's probably safety number one overall, just in

1051
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: terms of like because whoa, whoa, wait wait, you drafted

1052
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. You're gonna move Byron Jones. Byron Jones is

1053
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: entering a contract year. Okay, that's what I'm saying. You

1054
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: don't think he Are you keeping Byron Jones? Well, I'm

1055
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: keeping Byron Jones. But the problem is are you picking

1056
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: up his option? I'm not? All right? There we go,

1057
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you need to address the

1058
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: future of the position, do you not? Yeah? You probably

1059
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: want to upgrade your starters, do you not? Yeah? All right,

1060
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Okay, but you're but you're

1061
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: telling me though that I know I got a starting

1062
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: linebacker that I know is reliable, that could play two spots, right,

1063
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: But you guys just want to kick him to the curb.

1064
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to kick him to the curb. I

1065
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: want to do Oh I know, Oh, I know that,

1066
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to She brought up a couple receiver

1067
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: or receiver. I brought up a corner. Is there anybody

1068
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: else that you would say, uh, maybe move on, move on.

1069
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: We don't need we need that. We can use that

1070
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: money elsewhere. Nobody that immediately jumps out to me to

1071
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Am I forgetting somebody? I'm just

1072
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: enlighten me. No, you're gonna have to give that right

1073
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: that left defensive end? A lot of money? Is that?

1074
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: Is that A? Is that A? Is that A? Gotta

1075
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: pay Lawrence? You gotta pay Irving? David Urry? Okay, you

1076
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: gotta pay back. Can you afford can you ford to

1077
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: give David Irving a high tender? Okay? Would you rather

1078
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: have David Irving or or Anthy Hitches. I'd rather have

1079
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Irving again because it's cheaper. He's a restricted free agent.

1080
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to compete with the market to keep him.

1081
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Are we keeping the Marcus? Yes, but you don't have

1082
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: to tender. You don't have to tender that guy. You don't.

1083
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: But so if you give David Irving a first round tender,

1084
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: you're paying him something like five million dollars, And it's, well, well,

1085
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: what are you gonna pay Anthony Hitchens? You think you

1086
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: have to pay him five million dollars? Anthony Hitchins, You're

1087
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to I would Garrett. Okay, even let's say

1088
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: even if he gets a t will deal, let's say

1089
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: he gets way less than what I think, and you're

1090
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: cheerleading for that. That's still but that's still four million

1091
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: dollars a year, right, it's ten million and guarantees. Yeah,

1092
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: that's so. I mean, like you're talking about significant But

1093
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: tell me I'm not losing games with him? Are you

1094
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: doing this to me right now? Like you know the

1095
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: way this works? You want stuff? Or do you have

1096
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: any other questions from give him a break? Seriously, it's

1097
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: his birthday, my birthday. He wanted to host a show today.

1098
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: All right, well, here's a about Damien Wilson. Yeah, why

1099
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: has been the impression of him? And do you guys

1100
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: see the team improving the Sam? Oh? There you go,

1101
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: here you go. Two thoughts. One is that Sam linebacker

1102
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: doesn't even like have a huge role on this team

1103
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: the way it is, right. I mean, on Sunday, I

1104
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: thought it was funny they announced their starting lineup in nickel.

1105
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: They didn't even bother Sam lineback. You're gonna see a

1106
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of nickel this week too. On the other side,

1107
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: based on the training camp he had, you thought he'd

1108
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: be better, didn't you. There's a lot of guys I

1109
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: thought that, Dave yep, Well that's why you're seven and

1110
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: six right now. Yeah, but I thought I thought he'd

1111
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: be better. I thought he'd have a bigger role like

1112
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: he was everywhere in training camp, even in the previos.

1113
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: Are we finding out that the linebacker position at a

1114
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: hole needs to be redone? I think Sean Sean masks

1115
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of problems and hitchens too, which you also

1116
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: said his age. Yeah, no, I mean it's a concern

1117
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: for sure, it is, yes, But I mean for two

1118
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: years Sean stayed healthy after the move to Will. Yeah,

1119
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: you can't say that anymore. He's missed half the year.

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00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: Well wall oh this year. Last year he missed a

1121
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: game just because a healthy scratch. I remember two years ago,

1122
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: when people would complain about Sean Lee's injuries, you would say,

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00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: that's bs. He's been healthy since he moved to Will.

1124
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: But the Will, but the Will move has actually been

1125
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: beneficial force it has. Yeah, but my point being is

1126
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: that the injury issues have cropped up again. This is

1127
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: another season. So if he's played eight seasons, four of

1128
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: them have been significantly marred by Edger cap Yeah. Yeah,

1129
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's something you got to think about.

1130
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: And Anthony Hitchins, it's possible he stays here, I suppose,

1131
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet on it. So yeah, I mean,

1132
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: linebacker is a big concern for me. Okay, So now

1133
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: what we sound like, what I'm gathering from everybody here

1134
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: is we're gonna do with the linebackers what we did

1135
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: with the secondary last year. I wouldn't bet against the draft.

1136
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Just draft two or three guys. I think that's likely. Yeah, yeah,

1137
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: I think. I mean you're just gonna sit, You're gonna

1138
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: flip that position like he did the safety and the cornerbacks.

1139
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: But the difference is, I think you got Shaan Lee

1140
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: is your pet Shawn Lee to hold everything in place,

1141
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: hopefully knock on Wood and then then Jalen Smith and

1142
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: you can't I'm not you can't bet on Jalen Smith.

1143
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to bet against the eater, you

1144
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he deserves every chance to

1145
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: continue to ride the fence. That it's not riding the fence.

1146
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: That's common sense. You're riding the fence. Oh, you're just

1147
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: trying to provoke me and it's working. Any other questions

1148
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on Kiev on Fraser, how do you guys expect

1149
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: this team to start using him in the future. Actually,

1150
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: I had I had one talking point that I wanted

1151
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: to hit on, So this is a good segue just

1152
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: the safeties in general. She wants new ones. Well, I mean, well,

1153
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: how do you feel I'll tell you what I feel

1154
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: like though that you you you need to figure out

1155
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: what Xavier Woods is. Yeah, and I worry about Xavier

1156
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: Woods as a tackler. Now, to be honest with you,

1157
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: I think we've seen him miss some tackles that he

1158
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: should have made, you know. And I love the coverability.

1159
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: I love that aspect to him, but I need him

1160
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: to be a better tackler. If I'm going to play

1161
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: him full time, I need him to tackle better. And

1162
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: so Jeff, I thought Jeff Heath played out of his

1163
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: mind the other day. I think that was one of

1164
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: his best tours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ten tackles and just

1165
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: not because of the numbers, but he being a good

1166
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: position and coverage things got eas down everything that you've

1167
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: seen from him this season. Oh, one game, This is

1168
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna get your point there, Garcia. The thing

1169
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: with Cavon Frasier, we saw really the one good game

1170
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: you know where. And I'm still trying to figure out

1171
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: who busted on that thirty five yard pass that Evan

1172
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: Ingram route, because I'm kind of thinking, well, maybe Sean

1173
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Lee busted. Well I guess who else was involved Cavon Frasier.

1174
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: So you get people to kind of say a little

1175
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: two things there, But you know, one game with Cavon

1176
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: Frasier playing against the Redskins being good. Now, how about

1177
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: some two or three games in a row. Don't miss tackles,

1178
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: don't over extend, be where you need to be. You know,

1179
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm all for playing him, but I'm also all for

1180
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: figuring out though that, Hey, how about a little bit

1181
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: more consistent guy. I think that's probably that's a problem

1182
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: that I would bet every NFL team except for like Seattle,

1183
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: when their guys are healthy, like Eric Berry, like maybe

1184
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: five teams in the league feel great about their safeties

1185
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: because I look at the Cowboys and I'm like, you've

1186
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: got two guys who hit well and are around the ball,

1187
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: and you've got two guys who cover better and have problems,

1188
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, tackling Jones, Byron and Nixavier better in coverage,

1189
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: miss tackles, take bad angles from time to time. Cavon,

1190
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: Cavon and Heath hit like a ton of bricks and

1191
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: are around the ball. Don't the best tackler of the four?

1192
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: Probably Heath? Yeah, if he can get there, Yeah yeah, yeah,

1193
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: he's your best best tackler. Who's your best cover man? Byron?

1194
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: Depending on the situation. I still like Byron down low

1195
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: or Byron to carry guys up the field Byron down low,

1196
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Byron cut taking tight ends and stuff like that. I

1197
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: like that better, which you've got four guys who can

1198
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: do part of the job. Well, you don't have anybody

1199
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: that can do at all, which you know, if you

1200
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: want that guy, you probably got to draft him in

1201
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: the top twenty. Bigger concern them with the linebackers, I mean,

1202
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: she said, and I don't know if she wants to

1203
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: change that. She said, you have to draft linebackers. Now

1204
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't disagree with you. But have

1205
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: you brought the safety out there? I think I've seen

1206
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: more concerning things from the safeties year from one watching

1207
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: the game, the safeties are the ones that upset me

1208
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: the most. Customers in Spanish takes it not at all.

1209
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: I think the starters bother me more at safety, Like

1210
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: you've got good linebacker starters even if Hitchins leaves, Jalen

1211
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Smith can be a good player. Or disappointed in what

1212
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: you've seen with Smith at linebacker or what you had

1213
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: with here we go again, No, no, no Smith, or

1214
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: what you've seen from Byron Jones or Woods. Oh, I

1215
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: mean Byron Jones. He had this amazing training Yeah, training camp,

1216
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: that's all we talked about. We were doing periscopes. We win.

1217
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: We went into the season. I feel I thought we

1218
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: did a good job of tempering our expectations on Jalen.

1219
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean he had a good training camp two, but yeah,

1220
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: I would throw Byron in there, but him and him

1221
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: and Malik Collins where two guys had fooled me. We

1222
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: talked about Malik has been hurt this year. I don't

1223
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: want to dog him for that, but I mean, you're right,

1224
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: and I thought he would have nine sacks this year.

1225
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: But oh, you guys do a fast show. Yeah, anyway,

1226
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: that was a fast hour. Thank you for joining us

1227
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: on this episode, Brian, thank you so much. Thank you guys,

1228
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: great good discussions. I hope everybody enjoyed that. Derek and

1229
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: Nick will be back tomorrow. Until then, we are on

1230
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: a twenty three and a half hour break to quote

1231
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: around the horn, but see all tomorrow. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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