1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, d J, Bucky back here, move the sticks. Buck. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: How you doing, man, man, I'm good. I'm good. We're 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: getting close. Like seasons around the corner. We're seeing all 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: these moves. Uh Cup weekend is coming, so everyone is 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: getting down. I think it is beginning to really feel 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: like the season is about to kick off, and I'm 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: excited about it. Yeah, it's great, man, we we are. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: We're just knocking on the door of the regular season 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and it finally is starting to feel like normalcy. I 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: know we didn't have the preseason, but now you're gonna 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: have kind of that final roster cut down, which is, 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, something we see each and every year combing 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: the waiver wires, see if you can upgrade the back 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: end of your roster. A lot of teams will be 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: doing that without the convenience of having seen these guys 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: in the in the preseason. This is a topic we're 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: actually gonna touch on with our guests today. Mike Mayock, 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders, is going to 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: join us. Get a chance to talk to Mike about 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: some of the unique challenges that you face this year 22 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: and in in this period of time, uh, trying to 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: trying to build your roster. But it does, doesn't it 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: feel like with the start of the season, as crazy 25 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: as everything's been over the last six months in the world, 26 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: that kind of feel a little normal right now, Like 27 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting that build up for a first game. 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: You know, I do think it it feels normal. What 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: what's weird? DJ without like having preseason games and so 30 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: so many other things, like my body clock is just 31 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: thrown out a way to think that this Labor Day 32 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: weekend coming up, like I had no sense of like 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: every day weekend because we haven't gone through the normal 34 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: things that we normally would go through. We go through 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: all these preseason games we were talking about college football, 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: we would see some college football kind of bubbling up 37 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: and filtering out, and because of that, we we we 38 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: just are off and so it would be great to 39 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: get it into our normal routine with the NFL season 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and games and just kind of getting back to normal. Yeah, man, 41 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: I do I think I'm allowed to announce this. We 42 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: are going to uh crank out our three podcasts a 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: week like we've done during the fall in the past, 44 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: so that's coming. And included in that is going to 45 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: be our takeaway podcast, which we will we will do 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Monday morning after we've had a chance to watch the 47 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: tape or bringing our buddy uh Rhet Lewis is going 48 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: to join us on that so we can give you 49 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: our takeaways from the uh from the weekend and then 50 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get you two more podcasts throughout the week. 51 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: So we also have a video show that's coming. So 52 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: lots of movies, sticks content coming, your wife, Yeah, lots 53 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: of lots of movies, sticks outing. So it should be fun, 54 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: it should be exciting. Um Man, I'm excited just to 55 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: see football. I'm excited to see it. I got excited 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: last weekend just watching the College of game. So I 57 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: can't I can't even begin to fathom what I'm gonna 58 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: feel like anticipating these NFL games next weekend. I do 59 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: want to tease by the way, uh I actually we've 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: talked to you, I have showed you the uh what 61 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: the picture looks like. We've got to have some move 62 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: The stick t shirts are going to be available for 63 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: people that people have been asked about that for a 64 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: long time, So we finally got together with one of 65 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: our buddies who's put together a shirt for us, so 66 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: you be able to get one of those. It ended 67 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: up turning out pretty good. So excited about that. But 68 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts back before we get 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: to mayak about a couple of things that took place 70 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: recently with running backs. We had one get a big 71 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: time extension for the Bengals and Joe Mixon. We had 72 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: one who was cut and then has since already been 73 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: signed in Leonard Fournette going I stay in the state 74 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: of Florida, going from the Jags to the Bucks. Just 75 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: to your thoughts on those two moves. Yeah, So it's 76 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: interesting in the Joe mix and Leonard f for Nett conversation, Uh, 77 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: is one that is probably unique in terms of when 78 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: you go look at these guys, like the two running 79 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: backs headed in opposite directions, but when you look at 80 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: their numbers, they're nearly identical. Uh. Joe Mixon has twenty 81 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: nine hundred rushing yards, Leonard for Nett has a little 82 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: over twenty hundred. Um. Both have two thousand yards seasons, 83 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: and and when when you look at them, they were 84 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of the engines of their respective offenses at their place. 85 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I think the difference is when I look at Leonard 86 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: for Nett like going all the way back DJ and 87 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: I think it's important for evaluators to do this um. 88 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: So much of what can trap us and get us 89 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: in trouble is falling in love with the name and 90 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: really not closely scrutinizing the game. It was really easy 91 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: to fall in love with Leonard from Nett very early 92 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: at l s U because this sophomore season was spectacular 93 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: yards twenty two touchdowns. When you turned on the tape, 94 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: you saw him just running through everybody. He was everything 95 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: that you wanted to see as an old school down 96 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: here running back. However, injuries, lower body injuries, I begin 97 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: I really believe like they've kind of taken their toll. 98 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: And the running back that I see in the National 99 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Football League is still one that is very solid, one 100 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: that can be a starter. But when you take someone 101 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: at number four overall, you're looking for specialness. You're looking 102 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: for like someone who has the secret sauce. And I 103 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: can say he was very good last year. I don't 104 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,119 Speaker 1: care what the numbers. Eleven hundred yards rushing, seventies six 105 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: catches out of the backfield, Leonard for Nett improved on 106 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: areas that people have talked about, but you still didn't 107 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: get the special quality that you look for. Whereas when 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: I look at Joe Mixing, Joe Mixing to me is 109 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: the prototypical three down running back that everybody wants. He's big, 110 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: he's fast, he's physical, he's elusive, he runs with power, 111 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: he catches the ball off the backfield. To me, he 112 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: is the prototypical RB one that you wanted today's game. 113 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: And I just think that it's interesting to see these 114 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: two guys because the number would say that they're very similar, 115 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: but I think when you're turning them to tape, I 116 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: think there are some differences in the way you play. 117 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: I've got a little formula here and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, 118 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm giving this to you because I want to see 119 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: this in Bucky's Notebook. By the way, every week check 120 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: out Bucky's Notebook NFL dot Com slash Bucky Brooks. It's 121 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: the most comprehensive. It's the best thing go on that 122 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: you can read to to get you kind of a 123 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: full full image of what's going on, uh in the 124 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: football world. So this is this is free of charge buck. 125 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: If we look at running backs and these two prisms. Okay, 126 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: let's start with as runners. As a play caller, I 127 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: get you this much. Now what do you get me? Okay, 128 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: So I get you, you get me? I get you 129 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: four yards with the design of the play. You get me. 130 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: What you do after the four yards? I gave you? 131 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: So that to me? And again, well, once we I 132 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: lay this out in the run game in the past game, 133 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: we can start running some running backs through this through 134 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: this formula. So I get you, you get me. That's 135 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: formula one formula two in the past game. Are you 136 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: the last option? Or are you the first option? So? 137 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: Are has everything been taken away? And okay, I can 138 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: dump it off to Leonard Fournett and he's gonna get 139 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: me my six yards because everything else has been taken away. 140 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: Or am I designing an offense to put Leonard Fournett 141 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: out in the route? And that is my first option? 142 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: Because that's what you do with Alvin Kamara, that's what 143 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: you do with Christian McCaffrey, that's what you do with 144 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: Joe Nixon. That's not to me Leonard Fournette. So when 145 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I look at what happened Leonard Fournette. He's getting the 146 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: yards that we're giving him. He's not giving me a 147 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: lot of extra based off of what he does on 148 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: his own. And then when I look at the passing game, yeah, 149 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: he's a functional last option. He's not a first option. 150 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not designing plays for Leonard Fournett in the passing game. No. 151 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: And I think that is a great point and is 152 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: one of those things that I think a couple of 153 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: years ago we entered uh we interviewed to Real Davis, 154 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running back from the Denver Broncos. We 155 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: talked about that system and we were talking about the 156 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: Shanahan system, and he said, look, the Shanahan system is great. 157 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm certainly a beneficiary. But the difference between good and 158 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: great in that system, the good guys that get you 159 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: four is what you get after that point. And when 160 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: I look at Leonard for Nette, there's nothing that I 161 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: see consistently where he makes someone miss, he runs over somebody. 162 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: He turns a four year game into a tenure a game. 163 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: When I look at Joe Mixing on tape, Joe Mixing 164 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: routinely does that because he didn't play behind a great 165 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: offensive line. But his ability in the hole, stop star 166 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: quickness to elude, evade, sometimes overpower people. It shows up 167 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: down after down after down. And then what you said 168 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: in the passing game, I think can't be understated. It 169 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: is one thing to be the first option where you're 170 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: cleaned the side and playing ice so ball because I 171 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: know my running back can be your nickelbacker you're a linebacker. 172 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: It is another thing to make all your plays off checkdowns. 173 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Leonard for Nette is a checkdown option. Joe Mixing is 174 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: a playmaker in the pasting game. That is the difference, 175 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: and that is something that goes beyond the naked eye 176 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: and beyond just studying the stats. I just think it's 177 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me just because if you just take 178 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: any running back and kind of just put him through 179 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: that that formula, it cuts through who's blocking for you. 180 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: It cuts through kind of who the play color is. 181 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: They're just those guys. I feel like in the quarterback position, 182 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: we've kind of we've nailed that down. In terms of 183 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: trucks and trailers. There's the trucks that pull the offense 184 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: and there's the trailers that get pulled by the offense. 185 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: You can still win with those you can win with 186 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: running backs. You can win with the last option running 187 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: back in the passing game. I'm not saying you can't, 188 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: but man, it's sure a lot more fun, a lot 189 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: easier to win when you've got first option running backs 190 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: in the passing game. Yeah, it does. And I will 191 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: say this because if you're a last option passing game guy, 192 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: you need to be someone that gets you more as 193 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: a runner. So Derry, Derrick Henry. That's why Derrick Henry 194 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: is the event if if I'm going to pay cool, 195 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: I know that Derrick Henry is not going to get 196 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: me anything in the passing game, but then he needs 197 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: to be a plus player in the run in game, 198 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: and so I'm willing to concede, like, hey, we're not 199 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: gonna be able to throw to him, but he is 200 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: such a good runner that I'm okay being one dimensional 201 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: because we have to be one dimensional when he's in 202 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: the backfield. And that's exactly what I was thinking of 203 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: when I was thinking about the difference between Leonard Fournett 204 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: who got cut, Derrick Henry, who got paid, and the 205 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: differences in that first column. As runners, Derrick Henry gets 206 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: you a lot more than the play is designed and 207 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: he just does. And look, I know some people are 208 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: gonna hit us up and say, oh, I've seen Leonard 209 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: Fournett pop and eight yard run here there, Yeah, those 210 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: are those are outliers. He's had a couple of those 211 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: big runs, but it's not it's the ability to turn 212 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: those threes and fours into tens and twelves and fifteens 213 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: that you just I haven't really seen that throughout his career. No, 214 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: because the game has really played in a fifteen and 215 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: twenty yard box. DJ like the guys that are able 216 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: to chew up those ten plus yard runs, those are 217 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: the special ones because consistently they're able to help us 218 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: move the chains. And you're right, we count on the 219 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: offensive line and the perimeter block is to be able 220 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: to ensure that the running back can get three to 221 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: four yards. After that, it's on you. We purposely leave 222 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: people unblocked. A Leonard to cornerback is what we're gonna 223 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: go dig out. The safety is you one on one 224 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: in the corner. We expect you to be able to 225 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: knock down or to defeat a cornerback when you have opportunities. 226 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: If you're not unable to do those things, I mean, like, 227 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you're not a special player, and that's the difference. Special 228 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: players able to do that. And when you draft somebody 229 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: number four overall, I expect you to do that because 230 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: that's why we're taking you. Otherwise, why not just follow 231 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: the tree and take another late round guy to plug 232 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: him in because we draft you in the top five 233 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: to be someone that is a difference maker, a high 234 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: end player. And the last visual I'll give you on 235 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of the passing game portion of this is, look, 236 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: there's you're gonna go to lunch with a friend. You've 237 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: got the guy who you call first, that's who you 238 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: want to go with. You have a nice time. He 239 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: might even pick up the check. At least we're gonna 240 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: go Dutch. And then by the time he does, he 241 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: can't go. Then you kind of work your way down. 242 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: You might get the fourth option. Now we're still gonna 243 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: go have lunch. Will probably have a good time. What 244 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: my choice? Um, And that's kind of the way you 245 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: look at these running backs in the passing game. Yeah, now, 246 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: that's the way you look at it. And I think 247 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: the interesting thing and looking at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 248 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: because Bruce arians has said that he the starting job 249 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: is ro Joe's Ronald Jones's job. He's going to be 250 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: the starter. You have Sean McCoy there, and then you 251 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: have Leonard for Nett. How does all of that mesh together? 252 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: How do you keep all of those guys engaged and 253 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: happy and doing what it is that you want to do. 254 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: And when I go back and I look at Bruce 255 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: arians offense, I haven't really seen him play much with 256 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: a downhill sledgehammer um running back. David Johnson, who thrived 257 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: under him, was a guy that could do it. In 258 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: the past game he was more of a first option player. 259 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting mix. I'm curious to see how 260 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: this goes. And if Arians and Brian left, which have 261 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: the ability to package certain things to allow Tom Brady 262 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: and Leonard for Nette to be on the field and 263 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: be successful in an offense that has synergy. Now what 264 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: you need and learned for not to do? If you're 265 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: the buck says you need to go out there and 266 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: get leads, and then he can be kind of your 267 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: four minute back. Just just finished games out, grind out 268 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: the yards, eat the clock, and let's get the heck 269 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: out of here. I mean to me, that's where that's 270 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna be his most valuable role there for that group. Yeah, 271 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: he has to be the lagariat blunt that Tom Brady 272 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: played with in New England. Hey, we're gonna line up 273 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: in a two tight ends and we're gonna line up 274 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: in our goal line sets, and we're gonna kind of 275 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: run the game out because Tom Brady is very good 276 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: off play action. It is a way that they were 277 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: able to manufacture production for him, uh in New England. Uh. 278 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: We'll just see if Leonard Frenette is the right fit 279 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: and if the Buccaneers have the offensive line to be 280 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: able to do what it is that they may be 281 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: envisioning when Leonard Frenette comes on. Yeah, it's gonna interested 282 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: to see how that whole thing comes together. But I'm 283 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: just excited about I don't know about you. I'm so 284 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: sick of previewing. I can't wait to review. Like, let's 285 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: watch some games, let's watch some tapes, see who's playing well, 286 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: and then I actually have some concrete analysis instead of 287 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: we think this might happen or this could happen, Like 288 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: let's actually see these guys on the grass and get 289 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: a chance to talk about it. And And it's right around 290 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: the corner. Man. Yeah, I'm about done with the speculation. 291 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm ready to kind of do some real evaluation that 292 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: that is. That's where what is it? A little less conversation, 293 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: a little more. That's where we're headed. That's where we're headed. 294 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: I won't sing anymore. All right, Let's get to our 295 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: conversation we had with Mike Mayock, the general manager of 296 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders. At a phenomenal job in his 297 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: first draft. Excited to see his second draft class on 298 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: the field this year to see how they come together, 299 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: led by Henry Ruggs. But it was a great chance 300 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: to catch up with Mike and really kind of go 301 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: through the challenges of of of running a team during 302 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a pandemic where you don't have O, T A S 303 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: and offseason and preseason games, all those different things. Um, 304 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: it was great to catch up with him. So here's 305 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: our conversation with with the Raiders general manager Mike Mayock. Mike, 306 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: first of all, how are you doing, man? We're we're 307 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: hanging in there. It's a different kind of world, and 308 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: and I'm very appreciative to number one, have a job 309 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: and number two to say, my my family is healthy. 310 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: So I think you have to start right there. Yeah, 311 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: we look at what's going on, Mike. I know this 312 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: is there's no there's no training manual for for what 313 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: you've been through as a young general manager when you're 314 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: looking at going through a pandemic and then now what's 315 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: going on in the country and what's going on in 316 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: the sports world. UM, I'm just curious who who you've 317 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: who you've drawn from, or who you've relied on trying 318 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: to trying to figure this thing out. I think there's 319 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: a couple of things dj um. Number One, the message 320 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: basically from after the combine when we were told to 321 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: go home was as much as most people in the 322 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: football world don't like change, We've done certain things for 323 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: hundred years in football, um, but the message I had 324 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: to my scouts and continue to have is embrace change. 325 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: Let's figure it out. We don't even know where our 326 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: scouts are gonna be allowed on the road this fall 327 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: at this point. Uh. And you know, every single day 328 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: we talked about it's uncomfortable, but you've got to embrace it, 329 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: and you've got to figure out ways to get your 330 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: job done. And there are no excuses. And as long 331 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: as all thirty two teams are under the same sets 332 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: of rules. We're full, We're fine with it. Let's go. 333 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's all that really matters to me is 334 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: the competitive equity. And the other thing is, you know, 335 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: there's some guys around the league that I trust and 336 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: like and maybe we're not playing them this year, and 337 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: we get on we get on the call and just 338 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: talk what are you doing? How you doing it? Is 339 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: there a better way to to figure this thing out? 340 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: So a little bit of that networking also, you know, Mike, 341 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: because it's such a different training camp and preseason abbreviated 342 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: training camp, no preseason games, how are you guys trying 343 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: to determine who are the best fifty three guys on 344 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: the teams when you're really not able to see them 345 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: in game like situations? And Buck, I think that's probably 346 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: the best question in today's environment. And um, you know, 347 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: when you start talking about the generic conversation of what 348 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: do preseason games really mean for NFL teams and you know, 349 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: do you need fur and and what we're feeling right 350 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: now and what all the people around the lake that 351 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm talking with our feeling right now is it's not 352 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: just about the rookies and the college free agents. It's 353 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: about some of those first and second year guys that 354 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: you've tried to develop within your building that haven't had 355 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: the benefit now of an off season, and you're hoping 356 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: you're about to take a step forward, and you can't 357 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: watch him cover a kick off or a punt. And 358 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I've got this thing in my head I always call 359 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: the go no GHO syndrome. Some guys are go guys. 360 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,479 Speaker 1: When you covered off. There's a certain point where inside 361 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: you're either going not going yes, okay, and we want 362 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: go guys. And it's harder to figure out go guys 363 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: unless you're willing to replicate that out in the practice field. 364 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that coach Gruden 365 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: has been great with over the last week is just 366 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: a conversation with me about what do you need to see, 367 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Who do you need to see? How can we put 368 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: them in situations so can evaluate them better. And I 369 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: think John and the coaching staff have been awesome just 370 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: trying to orchestrate situations so we can evaluate. I'm curious 371 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: I can talk about evaluate your own team, and this 372 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: is the time of year where normally you're evaluating the 373 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: back end of other rosters. So what is the process 374 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: like this year when you don't have access to see 375 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: them in any live game action outside of what may 376 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: pop up on social media or what a team may post. 377 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: You've really got to trust your your scouts, evaluations and reports. 378 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: And what happens DJ is that more than ever, the 379 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: college and the pro side are melded together. And during 380 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: this training camp, you know, usually you bring the college 381 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: guys in, get extra eyes during games, let them write 382 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: across check report. At this point, we what we're trying 383 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: to do is filter in all of our pro grades 384 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: on guys that have been in the league, college grades 385 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: on guys that haven't been in the league. And how 386 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: do you stack it? So what you're really talking about 387 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: is the bottom end of your roster. But we all 388 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: know how important that is. So we're spending an awful 389 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: lot of time trying to get the right stacked, the 390 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: right filter. We're forcing our college and our pro guys 391 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: to melt together on zoom calls. Uh and and I'm 392 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: real happy with the way we're stacking things up. And 393 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, you get to the fund three and who 394 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen, but you better have a confirmation 395 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: in your head of if somebody comes available, we're gonna 396 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: take them. You know, Mike, I love talking to you 397 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: because I know you the son of a high school coach, 398 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: and I just wonder if some of your dad's expertise 399 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: in terms of building a team from his high school days, 400 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: because you don't have all deluxuries and you have to 401 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: figure it out and be adaptable. I wonder if some 402 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: of those lessons that you learned from him have helped 403 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: you adjust to being able to put together a team 404 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: doing the pandemic, which is unlike anything that we've ever seen. 405 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: That's a cool question. And um, I am my father's son, 406 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: and you know I played quarterback in safety and punner 407 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: and anything else for him for four years. And two 408 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: things I would take away from my dad I think 409 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: to this day. One is we were a small school, okay, 410 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: and every almost everybody played both ways, and we didn't 411 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: have time to get guys in a freshman program and 412 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: a JV program and by junior year, like the big 413 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: school mentality, you know, they're ready to go. If a 414 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: kid could play as a freshman sophomore, my dad was 415 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: thrown his butt right in there. Let's go and that's 416 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: kind of the way I feel about young guys in 417 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: this league. You don't want to ruin them, you don't 418 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: want to put them in bad situations. But I want 419 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: to trust that we did a good job scouting them, 420 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: and I want to throw them in situations where we 421 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: get a chance for them to compete early. And that's 422 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: important in today's salary cap world. You've got to continue 423 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: to churn your roster and bring young guys in your trust. 424 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: You know that's number one. And the second thing is 425 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: just what my dad has told me since I was 426 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: about twenty five years old. Trust your eye. You got 427 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: a good eye. You know. You followed me around everywhere, 428 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: every minute of every day while you were growing up. 429 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: You've watched high school, you've watched college, you watch NF 430 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: fell At the end of the day, if you're gonna 431 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: make a mistake, make it your mistake. And I think 432 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: that's really good advice. You're talking about throwing young guys 433 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: on the field. Mark, You've got a couple of young 434 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: receivers you just drafted that I was excited about when 435 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: you got him, and it seems by all accounts that 436 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: they're they're doing really well. What what have you seen 437 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: us far from from Rugs and Edwards on on the 438 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: practice field, you know, DJ, It's it's kind of a 439 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: two edged sword here, Okay. On the one side we're 440 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: knock on. Would we feel like, um, we are who 441 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: they hope we hope they would be, you know, Rugs 442 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: flying around. Nick Saban told me point blank, you don't. 443 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a kid work harder. He comes 444 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: to practice every day with a walk on mentality, and 445 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: he's tough. He's been a gunner, he's been a jammer. 446 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: We've seen all that. We embrace that with Edwards. Really 447 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: good hands, better route running than people understand. Um, tough 448 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: as nails, throw the Alabama table and if you want 449 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: to question anybody's toughness, um, but what I'm trying to 450 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: tell them and all our local press and everybody else's 451 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you know what, they haven't gotten off press once in 452 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: a game. They haven't done anything yet where we're gonna 453 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: sit there and anoint them and we're gonna make them 454 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: work for everything. We're cautiously optimistic, but at the end 455 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: of the day, all the rookies in my mind haven't 456 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: done anything yet. And we got to be real careful 457 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: about patent on their on their bots and saying great, Jim. 458 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: You know it's funny because when you talk about those 459 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: wide receivers your quarterback, Derek Carr has been really effusive 460 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: in this phrase. But when I look at the quarterback position, 461 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: I understand the value you and I've we've had these 462 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: conversations about the importance you have two really good quarterbacks 463 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: in that room. And even though Derek her is the starter, 464 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: you've invested in terms of developing Marcus Mariota. Why was 465 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: it so important for you, guys to really have multiple 466 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that can play in this league? And why are 467 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: you so committed to developing both guys. I think if 468 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: you want to be a good football team, there's an 469 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: argument to be made that you're only as good as 470 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: your backup quarterback. You're you're one snap away, and you're 471 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: putting everybody at risk if there's a drastic reduction in talent, 472 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: putting the whole franchise at risk. So we are believers 473 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: in Dirk car We even we think Dirk's taking another 474 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: step with John this year. I loved what he did 475 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: with in the off season. He had anywhere from fifteen 476 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: to forty guys working out with him almost every day. Um, 477 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: we had a big group of guys here in Vegas, 478 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: and I think what's important to me is it kind 479 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: of confirmed who Derek is on our team that all 480 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: these guys are flying in from around the country to 481 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: work out and be together. And I'm talking about offense 482 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: and defense. Derek was orchestrating seven on seven and you 483 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: know in the off season, him and Rick Harris, and 484 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: that breeds a certain confidence, uh in camaraderie that you 485 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: guys are both familiar with. And so I feel like 486 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: Dirk's taking that next step and I wanted to see. 487 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: And we also felt like John and I had a 488 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: comfortable with Marcus Mariotta because what we did when we 489 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: were both in television, we had him rank and all 490 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: the reps in time we spent with him, So we 491 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of felt like, Hey, he brings a little bit 492 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: different style to the table. You know, he's a little 493 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: bit more of a guy you can use his legs 494 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: and stumble around. He can run some different zone read 495 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: stuff with him. Someone you can do different things with 496 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: with Marcus. So we kind of feel like, not only 497 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: are we getting a quality guy that can come in 498 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: and play if dark gets hurt, but he also brings 499 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: a different dimension to our offense. Selfish question, Mike, how's 500 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: my guy Jonathan Abram doing? I think he's chomping at 501 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: the bit as you would expect, uh, And I think that, um, 502 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: he he needs to become a really good football player 503 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: for us this year and we're counting on it. You know, 504 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: my most championship teams are built on when the division 505 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: first didn't worry about the other stuff when you built 506 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: your team, Do you feel like you're close to building 507 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: a team that can compete and contend with any team 508 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: in the division. Well, I mean that's a veiled reference 509 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: to the world champion pretty good, you know, and we 510 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: were all three of us know they're pretty darned good, 511 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: and we we we recognize that. And I'm not giving 512 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: out any secrets when when I tell you that, you know, 513 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: our goal was to get faster and more athletic on 514 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball over the last couple of years. 515 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: And I think we have now whether or not we've 516 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: closed any gaps on anybody, Uh, what I tell everybody 517 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: in our buildings, we're seven and nine, that's who we 518 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: were last year. We shouldn't be chirping about anything else 519 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: other than getting better when in every freaking snap, When 520 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: when in every meeting, get a tiny bit better, make 521 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: it a force multiplier by the end of the season. 522 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: And you know, Buck, when we go down to play 523 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: your old team in Carolina, we'll find out a little 524 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: bit more about ourselves on September thirte But I don't 525 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: know anything beyond that. Alright, Mike, this is the last question. 526 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: I'll let you run. It's the most important question. How 527 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: many how many buffets have you hit in Vegas since 528 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: you've moved? You know? Whenever you tell me that, it's 529 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: the most question I know. And to be honest with you, 530 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: I know how to get from my my rental to 531 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: the facility and back. The answer is zero. And more importantly, 532 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: I hope you you're out of there in time to 533 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: get to your tea time, Daniel, because it sounds well 534 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: your work ethic has gone into pooper. Well, well, unfortunately 535 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: it's my golf game that's gone in the pooper. That 536 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: that's that's the problem. As I I gotta get out 537 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: there today. I'm repping our guy Charles Davis today with 538 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the with the Tennessee balls T shirt. But I don't 539 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: want to wear that on the golf course because I 540 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: want to get laughed at in case anybody watches football, 541 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: So you would need to put a collar on that 542 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: if you want to go out with that. You don't 543 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: know the golf courses that I play at. My Hey, man, 544 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: it's it's great to catch up. Looking forward to seeing 545 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: you this fall here when when the Raiders come out 546 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles and uh, we'll catch up. So man, 547 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Hey, stay healthy with your families, and it's 548 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: always great to catch up. Good luck guys. Obak is 549 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: great to catch up with. Mike. Um. You know, look, 550 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough job in a normal year. 551 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the stress that comes along with trying 552 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: to navigate through this entire pandemic that we've been in 553 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: the middle of end as well as what's going on, 554 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, in the world from a social social justice standpoint. 555 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that is a lot to handle as a leader. 556 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: That's a lot to handle as a leader. But you 557 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: know what, I feel like he's finally settled into the job. 558 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: He he certainly feels like he has command over the 559 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: job and he has a clear vision for how he 560 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: wants to operate as a general manager, and that has 561 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: been par laid out in his ability to give direction 562 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: to a scouts, his ability to kind of make some 563 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: of these picks. Obviously he's having to do it in 564 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: conjunction with working with John Gruden. But I feel like 565 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: this team kind of has his his his his stamp 566 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: of approval, meaning the things that he used to theorize 567 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: and talk about when we all work together. I kind 568 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: of believe I see that with the Raiders, and so 569 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: it's good to see people of these stick to their 570 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: guns when it comes to their vision for how football 571 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: should be played. When you begin to see their team 572 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: reflect the vision, that is when you see good things happen. Yeah, again, 573 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: you don't want to make somebody else's mistakes. You want 574 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: to make your own mistakes. So you have a vision, 575 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: what what you wanted to look like, go and execute 576 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: that and then let whatever happens happens. I think he's 577 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: done that. I do want to remind everybody. Inspired by 578 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: the ongoing conversations with players, NFL as launched the NFL 579 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: Votes to empower improve our communities through exercise and the 580 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: right to vote. Join the NFL family by registering to 581 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: vote today and make your voice heard this November. Visit 582 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash votes to learn more. Also want 583 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: to remind you that the Hard Knocks podcast, hosted by 584 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: our buddy Peter Schreger. You can catch the final episode 585 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: of Hard Knocks the TV show that is Tuesday, September 586 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: eight at ten pm Eastern on HBO. Shreig has done 587 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: a wonderful job with that podcast, give some great guests 588 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: on there to kind of recap what's going on with 589 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers and with the Rams, as well as some 590 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: other football insight there from our buddy Pete. So you 591 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: can find that wherever you listen to podcasts. Any other 592 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: thoughts here, Buck before we wrap this thing up, No, man, 593 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: it's it's great. DJ. Look, we just wants to have 594 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: closer once they're closest to the regular season kicking off. 595 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: I am excited and looking forward to next week. Yeah. 596 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: I did see on Apple podcast we are getting close 597 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to I think two thousand reviews or or ranking rating 598 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: something on there. There's a milestone out there, So I 599 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody that's done that for us, that's 600 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: gone and left us a review or rating, on Apple Podcasts, 601 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: and again let us know some ideas you might have 602 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: for what we can do to serve you guys better. 603 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: And and let us know again who the best high 604 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: school football player you've ever seen. We got some great 605 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: names on there. We need to update that. We'll do 606 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: that next week. We'll update that list of high school players. 607 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: But I want to thank everybody for that. All right, 608 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. Thank you guys so 609 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: much for hanging with us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. 610 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: See you next time. Right here on move the sticks 611 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: have got before to a moment ut