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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and fifty one.

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Speaker 1: We think we may have gotten out of order. Airing

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Speaker 1: in late May of twenty twenty two, Shoe here is

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Speaker 1: going to going by people's blog names. Is going to

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Speaker 1: be interviewing lag liv her bog name, so we're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that. But first we thought we'd catch people

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Speaker 1: up a little bit of life updates. Sarah is now

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Speaker 1: recording this. This is the first Best of Both Worlds

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Speaker 1: episode that she has recorded in her new space. So

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Speaker 1: how is the move? Yuh? The move was okay. I

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Speaker 1: actually had to work during most of the move. It

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Speaker 1: ended up being during my call week, and I can't

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Speaker 1: tell if I feel guilty about that or slightly grateful

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Speaker 1: that I missed a lot of it. We had a

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Speaker 1: great moving team. We had them pack for us, and

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Laura, they packed in like three hours,

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Speaker 1: like our entire house. It is unbelievable how efficient these

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Speaker 1: lot of time helping unpack their stuff. And I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've hit a little bit of an unpacking plateau

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Speaker 1: because we've unpacked everything that we can unpack without going

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Speaker 1: which is actually really nice. I'm next to Josh again.

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Speaker 1: We've done this in the past and had our desks

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Speaker 1: really like our house. Oh good, Well, that's exciting. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's the positive outcome on a move. Obviously you

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Speaker 1: of those, which is really really nice. I am reading

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Speaker 1: much has changed, Yes, a ton of things have changed.

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Speaker 1: That is so true. Can you remind everybody the ages

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Speaker 1: this you know audience when you first leave the government.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to use it as much as I possibly could.

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Speaker 1: And so it's funny. I have a really wonderful mentor.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Tracy. She was a maartner at Beanie

434
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Speaker 1: when I was there. She went to a different firm

435
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: for a while, just hugely successful powerhouse lawyer with an

436
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Speaker 1: amazing business business development and so I talked to her

437
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Speaker 1: because you know, she has children. She actually worked in

438
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Speaker 1: a different city for a while too, and she was like,

439
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Speaker 1: tell me about your support, like what who who is

440
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Speaker 1: helping you do this? What? What is your team? And

441
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we had this great after school

442
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: nannies their TCU students. They help out for a couple

443
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Speaker 1: hours and drive the kids to activities. And she was like, yeah,

444
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Speaker 1: what else. I was like, Oh no, that's it's it's fine,

445
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: and she was just like clearly, very skeptical. And then

446
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Speaker 1: we ended up meeting for dinner in Austin a week

447
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: or two later and she was like, Rebecca, I have

448
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: been thinking about you. Since we had that conversation, I

449
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: am so stressed for you. She was like, this, you

450
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: need more, And so she walked through kind of how

451
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Speaker 1: her setup had worked. She had a husband who traveled

452
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Speaker 1: and was busy, and she talked about this something I

453
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Speaker 1: never heard of, called a house a house manager. It's

454
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Speaker 1: not a position that I knew existed. And by the

455
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Speaker 1: time she was done, I called James as I walked

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: out of the restaurant, and I was like, I found

457
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: the solution to all the problems I didn't know I had.

458
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Speaker 1: And we are hiring a house manager. Can you find

459
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Speaker 1: a payroll company? And like, we need a CBA because

460
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: we're doing this right and we're here, We're all in.

461
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: And so that was the greatest bit of advice I've

462
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Speaker 1: ever been given. So I'll pause there. I love it.

463
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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say a live in nanny,

464
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Speaker 1: but a house manager sounds a lot better and more versatile.

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Speaker 1: I guess, So tell me how did she well? First

466
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Speaker 1: of all, I guess just to take one step back.

467
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Speaker 1: So your husband, I guess he's planning to continue to work,

468
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Speaker 1: and he is busy and he does travel, right, Like

469
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Speaker 1: there might have been a time when he was more

470
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Speaker 1: flexible maybe in my memory, but I feel like that

471
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Speaker 1: is less so now. Yeah. No. So he's a basically

472
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Speaker 1: a professional swimmer, which is not a thing I thought

473
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Speaker 1: would still be true at his age of forty, and

474
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Speaker 1: a swim coach, and he owns a swim products business,

475
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Fike Swim, where he designs like some suits and also

476
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: swim you know, products and tools to use in training.

477
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: So he travels for me. He qualified for the US

478
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: Open last last year, which again is crazy at his age. Frankly,

479
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: he's double the age of us that people are swimming against.

480
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Speaker 1: He's going lifetime best. He does clinics. He does a

481
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: lot of remote coaching, so it's here, but he's on

482
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Speaker 1: the phone for like chunks of the day where he's

483
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: talking someone through like their training schedule, looking at videos,

484
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: talking about upcoming races, things like that. He runs a

485
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Speaker 1: swim school that has like four hundred plus students at

486
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Speaker 1: any given given session. He has several instructors who were

487
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Speaker 1: for him, but there's a lot of scheduling involved, a

488
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Speaker 1: lot of parent interaction and phone calls and yeah, so

489
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Speaker 1: he is quite quite busy. She's a little bit what

490
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Speaker 1: teed up this house manager does discussion because he was

491
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Speaker 1: super supportive of me going back to Tate practice. He

492
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Speaker 1: wanted me to be you know, fulfilled and do something

493
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Speaker 1: that makes me happy. And he he was like, I

494
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: will step in, I'll fill in the gaps. I'll decrease

495
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Speaker 1: my coaching hours, like let you know, make make this work,

496
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Speaker 1: which is wonderful, but I very quickly kind of realized.

497
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want my new and exciting

498
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to be this burden for you to have it

499
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Speaker 1: become something where our interactions are a lot of me

500
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: texting you lists and being like is this done? Has

501
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: this been done? Why hasn't this been done? I was like,

502
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Speaker 1: I just I don't want this change, this next chapter

503
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: to be that. And so plus he's still I'm really excite. Sorry,

504
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Speaker 1: I don't mean to interrupt. He's still doing like really

505
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: fun exciting things. Like it's not like I mean he's

506
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Speaker 1: swimming in the Masters and like coaching elites and like

507
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: he has his own like big deal thing going. So

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Speaker 1: I totally get that, and it was nice of him

509
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Speaker 1: to like want to do more, but in reality, he

510
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Speaker 1: would be giving up something that was pretty freaking special,

511
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Speaker 1: Like he also has a very unique elite skill set,

512
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Speaker 1: no exactly something that he loves. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't want this positive for me to

514
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: be a negative for you, whether you view it that

515
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: way or not, that's what it's going to become. And

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Speaker 1: I also know how you handle list making, and our

517
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: approaches are different. I know that I cannot hand you

518
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Speaker 1: a list and then I can mentally check it off.

519
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I need to still check up on that list and

520
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to do that.

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00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to make that our daily interaction. And

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Speaker 1: so I went on care dot com and signed up

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Speaker 1: for an account and typed in house manager and it's

524
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Speaker 1: a thing, and found this amazing woman who I messed

525
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Speaker 1: to see through my study door right right now, who

526
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Speaker 1: had done this book before and had you know, ideas

527
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Speaker 1: on how kind of she could help. And then we

528
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: sat down together and I'll never forget we were in

529
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Speaker 1: my kitchen table a week before I started work, and

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Speaker 1: she was just like, what is most important to you? Like,

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Speaker 1: what are your biggest fears about starting this job? And

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Speaker 1: my first thing was family dinner together as a family

533
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: every night. There is never TV, there are never phones.

534
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: It is our time to sit together and talk and

535
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: catch up, and it is sacred to me, and my

536
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: job before allowed me to always get home and I'm

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00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: the one who prett cooked, planned dinner. And I was like,

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00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I am really afraid of losing dinner. That is my

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: biggest fear. And I need to know that dinners are

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: done and that they will still be here and that

541
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: I will be the one who comes home to dinner.

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00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: But my husband coaches until seven, so I need this

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Speaker 1: third party to make sure that dinner is there. And so,

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00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about that, and then we just

545
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: talked about just the other things that I would do,

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00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: especially working from home the last two years, that keep

547
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: our house running. And let me tell you, I completely

548
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: know and I couldn't until this job that most people

549
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: cannot have this employee in their lives to do these things.

550
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: But when I started writing down all the tasks that

551
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: I do each week, you know, month, twice a year

552
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: to keep our house running, it was like a twelve

553
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Speaker 1: page long document. It is extraordinary the work that we

554
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Speaker 1: as parents, and frankly specifically we often as moms and

555
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: women do for our household. It is now we started

556
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: thinking it would be a twenty hour week job. It

557
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: quickly became thirty. It is a forty hour a week,

558
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: full time professional job to run our house. And I

559
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: just it just says so much about the unpaid work

560
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: of women, about how much happens in the background, about

561
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, all these things and how we value them.

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00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: But not one of those tasks requires me and who

563
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: I am as a mother, a wife, and a person

564
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: to do that. They are just like administrative ministerial logistical tests.

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00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I still am the one at dinner, I'm the one

566
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Speaker 1: putting my kids to bed. I'm the one talking to

567
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Speaker 1: them at the end of the day. Like all all

568
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: the things that I think it matters that I do,

569
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Speaker 1: I am still doing. And I can still offload forty

570
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: hours a week of work that is done that just

571
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: needs a person to do it. I feel like I

572
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Speaker 1: need examples. Yeah, it's a whole document. Also, now read

573
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: my blog like from start to finish, and she's like,

574
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I just feel like I know, so that ended up

575
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: being a really helpful tool. But things like all of

576
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: the shopping, the meal prep, actually cooking or having it

577
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: all ready so that you know, when I get home,

578
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I can just throw it in maintenance on the house,

579
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: like vacuuming around the cat's litter box, like just stuff

580
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy if it's not done. Bathing the dog,

581
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: making sure like her bedding gets cleaned every week because

582
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: we have a bulldog and they need to be cleaned regularly. Laundry.

583
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Speaker 1: The kids still do their own laundry, but ours now,

584
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: like the adult laundry gets gets done. Trying to think

585
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: doing all the returns. I'm a big online shopper and

586
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 1: making sure all that gets back. Just making sure, like

587
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: for example, I noticed a light bulb was out in

588
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: our bathroom, and before I even mentioned it to her.

589
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: The next day, I saw that when I turned it

590
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Speaker 1: on the light bulb, she switched that out. You know,

591
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: making sure that every bathroom has toilet paper. I mean,

592
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: it's so mundane, but it is essential to the running

593
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: of a house, and where I've seen it the most.

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00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean I see it every day obviously, but like

595
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: when I go on go on a trip, and I've

596
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: been traveling quite a bit, I come home and my

597
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: house is just running. Like I get to be back

598
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: and i get to sit on the couch and chat

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00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: with the kids, and I'm not checking the toilet paper.

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00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm not making sure paper towels, you know, I'm not

601
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: doing those things. I'm able to just like be with them.

602
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: And that has just been I can't even imagine. I

603
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: now understand why Tracy was so stressed for me. I

604
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: can't imagine how this was going to work without that.

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00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: I fully support that. Oh my goodness, that makes so

606
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: much sense. And especially it sounds like your job is

607
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: going to have some travel associated and like some fun things,

608
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and you want to be able to enjoy those things

609
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: and not stress about whether or not everyone could cope.

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00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: Is the household manager also, well, I guess your husband's

611
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: able to cover a lot of like weekends or something

612
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: if you did have to travel, But is that like

613
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Speaker 1: part of her duties as well, So she's just Monday

614
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: to Friday? We basically you know, I mean, maybe is

615
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: an extraordinary circumstance, and if we gave her plenty of notice,

616
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure she'd be happy to help on a weekend.

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00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: But the idea is it's Monday through Friday, and we

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00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: still kept our app for school. You know, nanny is

619
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: like driving the kids to soccer is not really her

620
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: job now when our nanny can't make it and James

621
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: in the pool and I'm in San Francisco, which happened

622
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: the first week I had my job. Of course, she's

623
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: happy to do that, and we had talked about all

624
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: of that in advance, but generally, you know, her job

625
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: really is it's kind of at her own hours, just

626
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: getting the house run and you know, you know, ranging

627
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: for things like we're getting our windows plane. I mean,

628
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: just little things that just kind of all these things

629
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: that need to happen, and it's I mean, it's amazing.

630
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: And just knowing that another adult is here. I mean,

631
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: every now and then there'll be someone delivering something or

632
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and I'm out of town, James at

633
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: the pool. You know, we don't and I never had

634
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: local family. I mean, so just kind of having this

635
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: person who you can who knows your house and knows

636
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: your teams and knows your children to kind of tap

637
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: be like, oh, hey, this thing is happening, can you

638
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: make sure that today you're around it too, or you know,

639
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: whatever is has just been it's made it so see

640
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: less on my family, Like it's reduced my own stress.

641
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: But even if I was willing to take on all

642
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: of that stress, and I mean I probably would. I

643
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: am a more pleasant person. So when I can get

644
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: home from work and I currently am an hour plus commute,

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Speaker 1: I can be present and not be like why isn't

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Speaker 1: that big up? Like why isn't that done? Why? Like

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Speaker 1: why am I walking home to chaos? I don't handle

648
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Speaker 1: that will? And I know that about myself, and my

649
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: family knows that about me. Though it doesn't always encourage

650
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: them to fix the chaos, but it you know, it's

651
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: just made it very seamless for everyone for us to

652
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Speaker 1: be the parents we want to be and be engaged

653
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Speaker 1: in the way that we want to be when we

654
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Speaker 1: are home. That is amazing. How about your kids? How

655
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Speaker 1: have they reacted to your job change? Do you feel

656
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: now it may be too early for you to know

657
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: yet or maybe it's not like the reputation of big

658
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: laws that you would be taking more work home, that

659
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Speaker 1: there would be more stress, like more like, Okay, it's

660
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Speaker 1: Saturday and a client needs you, you have to like

661
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: drop everything. If that's been the case, Are your kids

662
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: like kind of like just ready for you to do

663
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: that and they understand it because they're at a certain age.

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Speaker 1: Because I struggle with that a lot, like I hate

665
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Speaker 1: basically work that bleeds around the edges of the work

666
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Speaker 1: day because my kids are not mature enough to or

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Speaker 1: at least they just have not learned to like deal

668
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Speaker 1: with that yet. No, it definitely makes a big difference

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Speaker 1: for age. I mean, i'd say there's two things there,

670
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Speaker 1: Like one, I worked from home the last two years.

671
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: The SEC's offices are still you know, closed, and so

672
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: my work and life led completely into one another. And

673
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Speaker 1: I also had a couple of really big, really demanding

674
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Speaker 1: investigations and really no boundaries on my time, especially during COVID,

675
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Speaker 1: so that that bleed of work into life really already happened.

676
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Speaker 1: And what was kind of in the back of my

677
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Speaker 1: mind as I looked at, you know, going by try

678
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Speaker 1: to practice, I was like, I don't know that my

679
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Speaker 1: hours would be any difference, Like there's only so many

680
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Speaker 1: hours in the day, so you know that, I feel

681
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Speaker 1: like I'd already had a little bit of training, and

682
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Speaker 1: I did a lot of witness interviews med all these

683
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: things from with me putting up a hand like outside

684
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Speaker 1: the camera frame and being like, do not come more

685
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: closer like silence? You know, I had all my post

686
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: it notes. I mean, we already we had already been

687
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Speaker 1: been doing this, and we did talk a lot about it.

688
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to them about, you know, what

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Speaker 1: my job will be like, and that I'll have some

690
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Speaker 1: travel and here's why. And then you know, there'll be

691
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Speaker 1: times that I need to answer a call because I'm

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Speaker 1: this person's lawyer and I'm the one that they call,

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Speaker 1: and I'm the one who tells them you know what's

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Speaker 1: maybe gonna happen, or I'm giving advice and counseling them,

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Speaker 1: and that's my job. And and it hasn't happened a lot.

696
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Speaker 1: I mean, most of it is during working hours. I

697
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Speaker 1: don't feel like yet they felt a big change, but

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Speaker 1: they know that they could. But I mean, honestly, I

699
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Speaker 1: worked every night and most weekends last year outs with

700
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Speaker 1: the government, so it's not that much different, but it

701
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Speaker 1: is for me anyway, a lot more fun. The baseline

702
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: wasn't that low. Okay, well then that makes sense. Well

703
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: we're going to do our Love of the week. But

704
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Speaker 1: I have to ask you one thing, which is tell

705
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Speaker 1: everybody about your next family vacation if you're able to

706
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: talk about it, or if you're not, then maybe your

707
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Speaker 1: last one, because that is one thing I love about

708
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Speaker 1: your blog and just following your life is that you

709
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: guys take the most aspirational, amazing vacations. So I'm curious

710
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Speaker 1: what is next for you, guys. No, we're super excited

711
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Speaker 1: about our next one. We are going to Iceland at

712
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Speaker 1: the end of June for twelve days and driving all

713
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Speaker 1: the way around it and doing lots of hiking and

714
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Speaker 1: adventuring and wildlife watching and I don't even know it

715
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Speaker 1: all else. It's going to be amazing. I'm so excited

716
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Speaker 1: about it. I am literally going to like pencil it

717
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Speaker 1: in for myself in about four years and I'll take

718
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Speaker 1: notes on whatever you post. That's amazing, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: our love of the week. I cannot wait to hear

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Speaker 1: what yours is. But I will take the heat off

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Speaker 1: by giving you my fun one, which is that I

722
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Speaker 1: am currently reading Emily Henry's People We Meet on Vacation,

723
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: and it is just a delightful little summer read. I

724
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: did not, not that I want to slander any writer,

725
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't love Beach Read, which was her big

726
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: debut and maybe or maybe not debut, but like the

727
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: book that everyone talked about a couple of summers ago.

728
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Speaker 1: But I love people we meet on vacation, so I'm

729
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Speaker 1: excited that I picked that one up and I recommend

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Speaker 1: it for a light summer fun read Ooh well, that's

731
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: good to know. Let's see my love this week. I

732
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Speaker 1: just discovered these shoes called Birdies Bi r Dies, and

733
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Speaker 1: they are One they're beautiful, but two they're basically slippers

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Speaker 1: with real soles, and like shoes you could wear to

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Speaker 1: work post COVID. Me does not wear heels ever, and

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Speaker 1: generally my work uniform is jeans, a tank and a

737
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Speaker 1: blazer and flats. So it's like all of whole new

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00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: me and Birdie's are now I'm realizing going to be

739
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Speaker 1: an essential part of that because they are so comfortable

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Speaker 1: as Actually my doctor friend, my pedatrician friends, the one

741
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Speaker 1: who told me that they're all that shoe wears. I

742
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: ordered Birdies and they fell off my feet, but I

743
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: could try another size. Are you allowed to wear like

744
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 1: your law firm is casual enough that you can wear jeans?

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00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: That is amazing. It is really nice. I know it's

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Speaker 1: part of our kind of coming back to the office,

747
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: but I do feel like once you let people jeans

748
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Speaker 1: every day, it's really hard to pull that back well,

749
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: and it's like a nice chic look when you have

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Speaker 1: like a nice top on and cuge shoes and a blazer.

751
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Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's that's more modern looking anyway

752
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: than everything's still everyone's still onom all the time. So

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00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: again it's that waste up. So that you've got your

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Speaker 1: blazer on there, I feel like you're you're good. That

755
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: is awesome. Well, this was a pleasure. I am so

756
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: excited for everyone to get to hear your update. Remind

757
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: everybody where they can follow along with your adventures. Yeah,

758
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: so I hardly get to post much anymore, but I

759
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Speaker 1: try to go for like maybe maybe once once a week.

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Speaker 1: But lag liv l a g l i V means

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Speaker 1: law life. I started it in two thousand and six

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Speaker 1: and still barely anyway have kept it going. I know

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Speaker 1: those of us who have old blogs have like weird

764
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Speaker 1: names for them because that's what you did back then,

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Speaker 1: and it's not our fault. That's all I have to say. Yes, awesome, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll have to have you on

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Speaker 1: again in four years. We'll see bye. Well, that was

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Speaker 1: great hearing from Rebecca Slash lag liv about life and

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Speaker 1: how everything's going for her. So this question is about running.

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Slightly different topic here, but our listener is a Canadian

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Speaker 1: teacher who is home on maternity leave during this school year,

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Speaker 1: and she says, with it's her second child being home,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the COVID on and off of schools,

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Speaker 1: two babies. As much as us do, she says, it's

775
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: hard to get motivated to exercise. She's heard from us

776
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: how we love to run and how that helps us.

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00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: So do we have any good tips on how to

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Speaker 1: begin running and stick with it? She says she loves

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Speaker 1: the idea of getting good at running because it's free,

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00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: it's outside, time can be made a few days a week.

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00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: It's also very flexible. Obviously I'm throwing that in, but

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Speaker 1: it's not like you have to make a certain spin

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Speaker 1: class at a certain time. She says. My problem isn't

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Speaker 1: actually finding the time to run, it's getting motivated to

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Speaker 1: do it and not give up when I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm very good at it and can barely run

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Speaker 1: or ten seconds. So do we have any tips on

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Speaker 1: how to get started running and stay motivated to stick

789
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Speaker 1: with it? So, Sarah, how did your running journey go?

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Speaker 1: My running journey was quite different from this listener because

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Speaker 1: I got really hard into running during a time prior

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Speaker 1: to having kids, and then kind of wanted to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to bring that back into my life. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like I was already highly motivated to do that,

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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different. But I will say

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Speaker 1: like this, this listener has a three and a half

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Speaker 1: year old and a nine and a half month old,

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Speaker 1: and that is a hard period of time, and I

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Speaker 1: just want to acknowledge that, like so much physical parenting

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Speaker 1: during that time, a lot of exhaustion, potentially a lot

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Speaker 1: of night wake ups. She may be still nursing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if she didn't mention that, but like, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of demands on your body, and I think

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Speaker 1: I love the idea that you're interested in running, but

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00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: it seems like it's stressing you out because maybe you're

806
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: asking too much of running right now. And I think

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Speaker 1: one thing to do is kind of figure out like

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Speaker 1: the minimum amount of exercise that would make you feel

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Speaker 1: good right now, Like maybe twice a week for twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes would be like a good starting bar, and also

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Speaker 1: think a little bit about what your goals are, knowing

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Speaker 1: that you should be gentle with yourself right now. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's hard to have like a big time goal

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Speaker 1: or body composition goal or something when your kids are

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Speaker 1: that little, and just know that you might have more

816
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Speaker 1: time for that later on. At least that was my experience.

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Speaker 1: And then I think Laura and I both have the

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Speaker 1: biggest tip, which is that you said you know you're

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Speaker 1: going to run, and then it's like torture and you

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00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: can't breathe. You're probably going too fast or you're trying

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Speaker 1: to do too much too soon, And there is no

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Speaker 1: shame in starting super slow. And even I as like

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Speaker 1: somebody who did marathons, it was obsessed with like times

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Speaker 1: and stuff during pregnancy and post pregnancy. I embrace run

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Speaker 1: walking and that means like you might run for three

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Speaker 1: minutes and walk for two minutes, and there's all different

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Speaker 1: programs you can use to kind of ramp up slowly,

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Speaker 1: and even during those running portions, Like, as I've said before,

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Speaker 1: neither of us are probably going to be in the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: So like it's okay if you just go like really

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Speaker 1: slow or whatever feels comfortable, and work up to things

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Speaker 1: really gradually so that it feels good and not like punishment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it actually took me a few times to become a runner,

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Speaker 1: like a few attempts to become a runner before I

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Speaker 1: really stuck with it. And so I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't be discouraged if it does feel like it's taking

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Speaker 1: some time to build the habit. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people really swear by the couch to five k

839
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Speaker 1: app per program. I don't know exactly what it is,

840
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: but you could kind of do this on your own too,

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00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: because the way it's structured is that you run and

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Speaker 1: walk in combination, and then each time you get a

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00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: little bit more running, and you know, you still have

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Speaker 1: the breaks in between. So you know, you could think

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Speaker 1: of doing a run for a minute, walk for two

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Speaker 1: or three minutes, and then run for a minute and

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Speaker 1: walk for two or three minutes. And that's one way

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00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: to sort of ease yourself into it. And then over

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00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: time you can make those running intervals a little bit longer,

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Speaker 1: the walk breaks a little bit shorter, until you've built

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Speaker 1: up to sort of a reasonable running base. And I

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Speaker 1: would I would echo Sarah's thought here that a lot

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Speaker 1: of times when people feel like they can't run, it's

854
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: because they are running too fast. We have this idea

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Speaker 1: of running that it's like sprinting, and if you're sprinting,

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: you buy the nature of sprinting. Cannot do it for

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Speaker 1: long because it's sprinting like that. A sprint is designed

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Speaker 1: to be short when you're at that high a proportion

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Speaker 1: of your aerobic capacity, whereas you know, most people who

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Speaker 1: are running distance are running it. I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: like between sixty and eighty percent of the capacity. So

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Speaker 1: it's a very much more comfortable sort of pace. So

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Speaker 1: you know, do do your you know, thirty seconds minute

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Speaker 1: of running at a slow comfortable pace than do your walk.

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Speaker 1: Then do your slow comfortable pace, do your walk. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you sort of set a goal to

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Speaker 1: do that, maybe you know, like three times a week,

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Speaker 1: you will in fact be able to run a mile

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Speaker 1: two miles in a few months, you know, and get

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Speaker 1: yourself up to the five cave the couch to five k.

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Speaker 1: I mean they promised, and what it's like twelve weeks

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Speaker 1: or something, so you know, it doesn't take that much time,

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Speaker 1: but it does take some time to stick with it

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Speaker 1: and to recognize that things are going to get better.

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Speaker 1: As for the motivation, if you have the time, then

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Speaker 1: you know, thinking about what makes it pleasant for you. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I like to run outside. I find the treadmill just

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Speaker 1: you know, horrible depressing a lot of people do. Now.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you're in Canada where it's cold for like

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Speaker 1: eight months of the year, so that might you're probably

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Speaker 1: gonna have to get your head around the treadmill. But

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Speaker 1: you know what would make it more exciting? Can you

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Speaker 1: watch a favorite television show while you're on the treadmill.

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Speaker 1: Can you listen to a podcast while you're on the treadmill?

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Speaker 1: Can you go to the gym at the same time

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Speaker 1: as a friend and both of you like are running

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Speaker 1: on the treadmill, And then during the times when you

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Speaker 1: can run outside, that's in and of itself going to

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Speaker 1: be more pleasant. But you can also think of ways

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Speaker 1: to make that pleasant too, like again, having a friend

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Speaker 1: or trying to go to pretty places to run. All

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Speaker 1: of those can make it, you know, feel more motivating

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Speaker 1: than if it feels like some sort of thing you're

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Speaker 1: just making yourself do. I like all of that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: some people even like to like save a TV show

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfree Show, I would I would go watch it

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock when it came on in the When

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Speaker 1: we lived in New York, our apartment building had a gym,

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Speaker 1: and so I would go down to the gym at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock and with the idea being that I would

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Speaker 1: watch Oprah while running on the treadmill. Of course this

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Speaker 1: was you know, it meant that it hopefully nobody else

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Speaker 1: was there watching, because then the default if more than

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Speaker 1: one person is there is like to put it on CNN.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to watch CNN. So Oma

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Speaker 1: has universal appeal. Okay, I hope that everyone would have

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Speaker 1: been cool with Oprah switching to Oprah from CNN. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm not a very aggressive gym

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Speaker 1: member and like trying to make people change the stuff.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, yes, that might help. And if you're in

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Speaker 1: a home treadmill, obbys can put it on whatever you'd like.

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Speaker 1: So this has been best of both worlds. Sarah was

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Speaker 1: interviewing Rebecca Fike slash lag liv. We will be back

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Speaker 1: next week with more on making work and life fit together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and

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