WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Mark Jackson 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.119 Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.720 I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave Pash. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.320 Last week, we are back talking Arizona Cardinals with Zavan Collins, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.600 second year linebacker for the Cards, first round draft pick 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.760 a year ago out of Tulsa. This week, we'll step 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.320 outside the Cardinal space and talk primarily NBA, although we 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.320 will talk a little bit about this week's opponent for 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.400 the Cardinals, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Mark Jackson ESPN 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.479 ABC broadcaster. Mark spent seventeen years in the NBA as 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.720 a player, one of the all time assist leaders in 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.400 NBA history, part of the NBA Finals broadcast team, which 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.159 is the longest running in NBA history. Seventeen years for 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.400 Mike Green and Jeff Van Gundi. Fifteen years for Mike, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.040 Jeff and Mark Jackson. The reason why Mark wasn't there 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.920 for a couple of years he was the head coach 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.240 of the Golden State Warriors, leading them to two postseason 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.000 appearances in three years. We'll talk with Mark about his 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.560 love for Tom Brady and why he became a Tampa 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.520 Bay Buccaneers fan. With Brady, the way he played a 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.840 way you know, overachieved at a certain point, overcame obstacles 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.199 and I love this fight, his grit compassion. We'll also 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.480 talk about the NBA and Christmas Day, Mark's thoughts on 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.360 the Phoenix Suns. Will get in a little bit of 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.559 some broadcasting stuff and ask Mark why the booth between Mark, 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.720 Mike and Jeff is one of the most successful boots 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.640 in the history of sports television. We also asked Mark 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.679 about being a player in the NBA, some of his 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.840 fondest memories, and also why he knew Clay Thompson and 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.479 Steph Curry when he was coaching the Warriors were the 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.720 greatest shooting backcourt in NBA history. 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Please gamble responsibly. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.320 Gambling problem called one eight hundred Next step. Time now 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.520 for another edition of the Day Pash Podcast with our 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.040 guest espn ABC broadcaster, former NBA head coach and seventeen 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:28.760 year NBA point guard Mark Jackson. Well Mark, one of 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.600 the reasons I wanted to get you on, along with 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.320 being a friend for the last fifteen sixteen years, was 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.680 you've led such an interesting life and you've been successful 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.560 at everything you've done, whether it was as a player 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.840 for seventeen years, three years with the Warriors, back to 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.600 back playoffs as the head coach, first time the Warriors 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.520 had been in back to back playoffs in twenty years, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.240 and then as a broadcaster. You, Mike Breen and Jeff 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.840 Van Gundy have been together for fifteen years, those two 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.960 for seventeen. The reason you weren't there the other two 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.480 as you were coaching you're a little busy. But the 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.480 fact you guys have been the longest running NBA finals 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.399 team in history, Like, when you started doing this, did 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.800 you think that you guys would be together this long? 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.040 Well when I started, First of all, thanks for having me. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:18.160 When I started doing TV, I was doing Saturday nights 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.000 and Friday nights in the studios in Bristol, Connecticut, and 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.760 then I was doing NETS games with Marv Albert and 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.440 nine and Eagles. So when I got the opportunity to 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.160 call NBA Finals with Mike Green and Jevan Gundy, it 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.880 was it was an incredible thing to learn. Knowing the 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.360 history of the game, knowing the history of incredible boosts, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.200 not just in basketball but in sports in general. Never 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.120 would I imagine that we'd be doing it, you know, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.480 at this point and have so many underneath our belt. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.240 But it's a credit to the greatness of those two guys, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.240 the friendship that we have on and off the court. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.240 I'm honored to be in a booth with those guys 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.920 along with Lisa's halt Is. It's an incredible group. And 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.440 what you see and what you hear dround the course 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.240 of the game is, as you know, is the same 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.240 thing that you'd see in here over the course of 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.840 dinner with all of us will get along incredibly well 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.680 in that family for life. Yeah, you're right. It's fun 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.120 when I get a chance, probably handful of times a 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.120 year to work with both of you, and then you know, 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.520 another handful of times a year to work with you individually, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.160 and then work with Jeff individually. And Yeah, you guys 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.039 are What you see is what you get. You guys 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.440 are as real as it gets. I think your booth 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.360 should be in the Hall of Fame. If inside the NBA, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.520 which is a tremendous studio show, is in the Hall 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.040 of Fame, I think you guys should be as well. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.720 For what you guys have accomplished. Do you think because 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.920 you guys knew each other before has helped with your chemistry? 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.159 What do you think is the key to having a 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.359 great booth? Well, it's a great question. Thank you for 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.279 the Hall of Fame. Not I appreciate it, But I 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.160 will say this, Even though I would say I'd credit 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.840 us knowing each other beforehand has a lot to do it, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.280 I would then, crazy as it sounds, say that it 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.479 has nothing to do with it. And what I mean 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.240 by that is there are people that have been in 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.000 boosts and known each other longer than we've known each 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.440 other and known each other as much as we've known 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.919 each other. But the thing is, we have no ego. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.960 So I've seen boosts get torn apart because of egos, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.039 because somebody says something, or somebody doesn't have enough time, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.000 or somebody is insulted, or somebody gets jealous of the attention. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.200 All those things, we could care less about who gets 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.760 the attention. We are there to call the game and 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.360 cover it and do the best that we possibly can do. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.320 There's nothing that Jeff van Gundya Mike Breen can say 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.919 to me that I would take offense to because I 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.560 know those guys love me and they know that I 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.200 love them. So it's a unique situation, a unique boot 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.720 where family trump's all and I will get I will 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.919 say this, Mike Breen is as good as it gets 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.679 as a point guard is concerned. When you talk about 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.119 Magic Johnson and in my opinion, Ernie Johnson, Mike Breen, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.920 those are the three greatest point guards to ever do it. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.200 The way they control the team, the way they orchestrate 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.080 everything that takes place, its thoughts and ends with them. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.800 And Jeff is just jeffs as brilliant and basketball mine 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.440 as I've ever been around. I've had the privilege of 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.640 watching him come into the NBA, watched him as an assistant, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.839 be loyal, dedicated, and work his tailoff, and I watched him, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.479 you know, every step of the way. He is an 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.359 absolute basketball genius and family for life, somebody I have 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:43.760 tremendous respect, appreciation and admiration for. Like like no Ova, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.159 we had Jeff on last year. He told the story 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.160 of when his car blew up. Well, you won that team, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.240 you won that next team won his car. I think 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.359 it was was on the tarmac and they were either 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.560 pulling in or leaving, and I think the engine like 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.240 blew the car up in the air and destroyed it. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.000 And then I think it destroyed Alan Houston's car as 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.480 well because it landed on it. Yeah, that was one 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.680 of his earlier trip as the head coach of the Knicks. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.160 I wasn't on that team, but was reading about it 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.440 and knew it was typical Jeff Van Gundy. I was 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.360 well away of the car because the same car he 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.520 drove as an assistant when I was there. Well, I'm 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.320 only in Jeff Vangundy form and fashion could something like 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.360 that app And I've been in Jeff's current car. It's 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.400 probably the same making model as that one. Believable. He 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.280 doesn't invest well. Well, that one was probably cleaner. This 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.480 guy does not watch his causes, which is unbelievable. He 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:44.280 only watches the keeps the inside clean, which makes no sense. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.720 I mean it's typical, Jeff. When I did that game 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.160 with you guys a couple of weeks ago, you were 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.400 kind of making fun of Jeff holding the clicker, what 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.160 he does with his bottom lip when he holds the clicker, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.640 going back and forth watching film. What are some other 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.920 great and I know I'm asking you off the top 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.480 of your head, but any other great Jeff Van Gundy 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.560 stories that like this is the perfect form to tell that. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.280 It would be too hard to tell in the middle 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.840 of a broadcast and certainly an NBA playoff game. Will 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.040 you walk around the facility with no shoes on, with 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.520 just his socks due put some shoes on? I mean, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.040 come on, man, So he'd walked around with his lip 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.840 poked out, with remote in his hand and just his 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.560 socks and no shoes because he's at home. He spent 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:28.200 so much time and I've been around coaches that that fake. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.280 The amount of time they were at the facility, Jeff 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.040 Van Gundy is actually there getting stuff done and making 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.160 sure he leaves no stone unturned because of his preparations. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.000 So I give him credit for that. But put some 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.160 shoes on, dude, and tuck in your bottom lip. We 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.640 don't need to see you your bottom lip poked out 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.319 all day long, waiting to show me a clip of 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:54.680 not helping and recovering or springing back in transition. He 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.560 is one thing. There's a lot of things I appreciate 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.040 about Jeff. I work with Ron Wall in the Cardinal games, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.080 and Wolf played for the Cardinals, but he also played 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.120 for Bill Belichick in Cleveland. And I don't think Belichick 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.120 came on his radio show when the Cardinals played the 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.560 Patriots the last time, but usually every time the Cardinals 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.440 play New England, Belichick will come on Wolf show. He 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.400 played from thirty years ago. Yet there's still a respect 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.520 and appreciation for any former player. Jeff is the same 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.600 way I've noticed, whether it's you or other guys, Patrick Ewing, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:34.000 other guys that he coached, and it's real, it's not fake, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.160 like he really appreciates and always points to the players, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.200 always gives the player credit for helping him. He'll always 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.000 say he's got I remember we'd do those games from 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.000 our houses during COVID year and he'd have a picture 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.000 of Patrick Ewing behind him and he said, I have 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.040 this year, so the camera see the guy that built 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.199 my house. Not literally, but Patrick Patrick Hue is the 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.480 reason I have this nice house well. And he understands it. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.640 He gets it and anybody that understands what it takes 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.679 in sports, not just basketball, but in sports in general. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.160 You don't win as a coach without talent and and 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.560 and greatness, and that greatness and talent embracing you, especially 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.679 if you're a guy like Jeff at Gunny. And he's 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.520 well aware of that where he came from that a guy, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.800 a franchised talent like Patrick Ewing had to embrace him 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.120 and put a stamp on everything he was preaching, or 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.080 he could have it could have gone the other way. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.959 We've seen that with great with great players, uh alien 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.720 ate a coach and not give him a chance. So 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.000 he embraces the fact that Patrick did that for him. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.000 And and I wouldn't say Patrick just did it for him, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.080 because Patrick is a loyal guy and he's a winner. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.520 Patrick saw the amount of work that Jeff was putting 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.960 into it and the knowledge that he had, and he 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.760 trusted him because of that. He didn't just blindly trust them. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.520 So Jeff is ignoring the fact that he earned that 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.600 respect and that trust from guys like Patrick ewing Uh 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:58.280 and and and they propelled them to an incredible basketball career. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.959 So so so I would say I understand his humility, 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.120 but at the same time, it was earned the respect 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.640 in the embrace of everything that he was preaching to 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.960 his troops. Well, and you mentioned humility, and that comes 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.439 across with all you guys, and you talked about having 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.000 no ego. I think that's maybe the biggest key to 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.320 why your booth mark is among the best in sports 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.800 because and I'll a lot of times talk either at 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.360 Syracuse or other schools will ask me to talk about 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.800 play by play and what's the success, what's the reason 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.320 for being successful? And I always talk about you know, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.640 you have to have a booth. Where as the play 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.840 by play guy, your job is to make the analysts 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.240 the star and let the analysts shine. And sometimes especially 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.840 the three person booth, the analysts are all jocking for 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.200 position and it's wall to wall talking what makes you 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.520 guys great is there might be a couple of possessions 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.640 that go by and it's just Breen calling the play 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.080 because if you don't have anything to say, you're not 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.280 going to just talk to talk. And Jeff's the same way. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.400 So I've always appreciated that when working with you guys, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.920 it's it's conversational, it's easy, it's smooth, and it's fun 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.360 and entertaining. And you guys are always good about picking 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.880 your spots when to be goofy and funny and when 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.080 to be serious. So and then you watch so many 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.320 sporting events and you know, sadly you see people talking 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.520 over each other and talking over the moment. Uh. It 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.920 comes with with with doing it repetition and learning the 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.280 fact of how to how to best you know, tell 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.080 the story and sometimes let let the let the scene 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.320 tell the story along with Mike. So we take we 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:39.000 take great pride and sitting back and witnessing greatness. Uh 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.880 So we don't take ourselves serious. And some of the 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:46.720 best moments has been us laying out and and I 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.000 gave credit to Mike and Jeff. I also want to 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.959 give credit to our boss, which you know very well, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.160 Tim Cork who does an incredible job of letting us 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:00.000 be who we truly are, individually and collectively, guiding us, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.000 us leading us, and not over coaching he is. He's 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.040 a brilliant coach as far as production is concerned, and 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.840 somebody has been there the entire way with us, and 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.800 we don't take for granted now. He's as good as 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.200 it gets in terms of being a game producer, as 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.400 good as it gets on any sport. One of the 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.439 other reasons I wanted to have Jan was to talk 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.080 about the team that the Cardinals are playing this week, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.720 more so the quarterback the Cardinals are playing against, because 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.559 I just assumed, I don't know when I found this out, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.040 but I just assumed that you were, you know, a 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.640 guy that grew up in New York City, a Giants 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.160 fan or a Jets fan. But you told me this 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.520 was probably ten years ago, that you were a Patriots fan, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.040 and the reason you were a Patriots fan is because 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.920 of Tom Brady. And then you went on to tell 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.319 me when Brady went to the Buccaneers that you're now 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.080 a Buccaneers fan. First of all, who was your team 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.319 growing up, Mark, And when did you shift your allegiance 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.760 to following Brady and the Patriots and now the Buccaneers. Well, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.240 I'm a big sports fan, and I was growing up. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:04.040 I was Jets, a Giants fan in football, um, and 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.480 I was just a fan of football. And then when 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.760 Dan Marino became the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, I 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.040 became a Dolphins fan because of Dan Marino. Uh. I 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.960 fell in love with the way through the ball, the 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.720 way he played, and just everything about him. And so 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.200 so I wasn't a Patriots fan until Marino retired. When 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.920 Marino retired, when Brady got on the scene, I had 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.560 to find another team or another guy that I thought 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.360 would be, you know, somebody that I can embrace in, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.160 and it became Tom Brady. So fell in love with Brady, 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.480 the way he played, the way you know, overachieved that 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:47.800 at a certain point, overcame obstacles and and uh being 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.640 a backup in all of those things. And I loved 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.359 this story. I loved this fight, his grit, his compassion, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.160 and h I became a Patriots fan. And then when 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.320 not when he became a Tampa Bay Buck and there 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.640 but when Brady decided to leave the New England Patriots, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.040 it didn't matter wherever he was going, that's the team 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.840 I was going to root for. So when he decided 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.560 to go with Tampa Bay, I became a Buck fan. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.040 And uh, that's what I am today, and that's what 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.840 I'll be until he retires or leaving goes somewhere else, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.280 and he goes somewhere else, That'll be my team, for 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.680 better off or worse. And when he retires, I'll be 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.440 on to the next one. I'm not sure that be 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.320 who that will be, but it won't be. It's not 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.600 the best player, per se. It's it's to me. It's 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.200 like like in baseball, I was I was Alex Rojiguez guy. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.000 So wherever Alex went, I would have been, I would 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.200 have been with Alex. He's he's my guy, somebody I 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.960 love and I love his story and I truly believe 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.640 he should be in the Hall of Fame. Uh that's 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.720 for another story. Have you had a chance to get 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.120 to know Brady at all? No, never met him. Uh, 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.800 just just know him from a distances as a fan. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.640 As you watch the team this year six and eight 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.040 but still leading the division, it's the worst regular season 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.640 that Brady's had, but still at his age, it is 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:14.160 remarkable what he's doing. Turnovers were really what did them 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.640 in against Cincinnati on Sunday? What do you make of 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.400 this year's team and do you still think, despite being 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.840 six and eight that if they win the division, that 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.880 they're good enough to make a run of the postseason? 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.080 Disappointed thus far, and to me as a as a fan, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.040 as a player, as a coach, as a guy that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:38.720 covers sports, I'm disappointed with the lack of discipline, their consistency. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.480 If they played the way they played in the first 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.880 half yesterday, then they can get to the super Bowl 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.320 and beat anybody in the NFC. Offensively and defensively, they 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.840 were clicking. The sad thing is that if they played 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.800 the way they played in the second half yesterday, there's 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.480 a chance they won't even make the playoffs. They've got 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.880 to be better, and they're good enough to get it done, 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.280 but they haven't displayed a consistency all year long. So 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.119 everything that I know about sports tells me that you 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.520 all your habits and I shouldn't trust them. But because 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.120 of the greatness of Tom Brady and that team being 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.919 able to do it before, I'm holding on to their hope, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.040 thinking that they could find a way to click on 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.840 all cylinders and get high at the right moment, because 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.359 I'm not in love with anybody in the NFC to 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.040 the point where I think that the Bucks when clicking, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.560 can't beat them, whether it be in their building or 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:43.040 the oppositions building. To me, and I've seen the Eagles 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.120 this year in person, granted was early in the year, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.200 seen the forty nine Ers in person. Once the Cardinals 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.080 play there the last game of the season, and obviously 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.880 the Cardinals are a shell of the team we thought 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.960 that we were going to have. They've played more players 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.280 than anybody in the NFL and Trace McSorley man ended 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.200 up starting this week and who knows, maybe the of 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.639 the year, depending on how Colt is doing. To me, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.280 San Francisco is the best team, the most complete team. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.520 I have to see jail and hurt to do it 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.600 in the postseason to believe it. Um, I still think 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.200 it's probably Kansas City or Buffalo that wins the Super Bowl, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.159 but I do think it'll be the forty nine Ers 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.840 against one of those two teams. Who do you think 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.840 right now is the team to beat in the NFL. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.040 It's it's it's it's wide open, um when you look 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.879 at the AFC, so many teams legitimately have a have 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.960 a chance and are good enough to get high, especially 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.520 with the quarterback play being at the level that it is. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:41.600 It's incredible. So Kansas City, Buffalo, uh gotta be, you know, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.320 the favorites in the AFC. But I'm not I'm not 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.960 counting anybody out because I will say this when you 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.760 when you look at Tom Brady and what he does 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.560 when it matters most, he takes care of the ball. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.360 He's not, you know, trying anything to be a super hero. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:06.760 He's he's marching down the field effectively and efficiently. When 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.720 I look at the quarterback play and say who's gonna 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.680 win the Super Bowl? Who has a chance to win 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.240 the Super Bowl? I think any one of those those 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.639 other guys can throw one away and cost that team. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.120 As great as they are, I don't think they take 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.960 care of football as well as they should. At times 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.200 they can be careless. And that's the greatness of Patrick 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.520 Mahons too. He can throw one away trying to do 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.399 too much. So so that's the concern with me picking 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.679 any particular team. I think it's a great time, It's 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.000 tremendous parody throughout the league, and I think it's wide open. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:50.119 Even though you talk about Philly and San Francisco. Can 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.320 I say that they won't throw one away? They won't 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.560 not being careless, But are they good enough to take 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.040 care of basketball? To basketball's good enough to take care 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.399 of football the entire way? And I'm not so sure 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.120 that they won't give the opposition a chance to beat 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.479 them off for the mistake. No, I agree. I think we, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.520 first of all, don't know what the quarterback situation is 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.400 going to be like in San Francisco. And can Brock 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.920 pretty keep doing this? And if Jimmy G can't come back, 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.000 can he know can he win a big playoff game? 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.680 Same question for him that we have for Jalen Hurts. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:22.879 Growing up in New York City, did you play football 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.359 at all? Mark? If not, what other sports did you 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.480 play growing up besides basketball? Well, my first sport was baseball. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.920 I played baseball as a as a kid. My first 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.200 sport as seven years old when we moved from Brooklyn 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.879 the Queens. I got into a little league and I 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.879 played for the you know, the Royals, and we had 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.440 a good time and I fell in love with baseball 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.760 as seven years old and pretty much the same time, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.359 I fell in love with basketball and I played football 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:59.919 for a year or two. Enjoyed that. I'm I boxed 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:10.080 in the local PLU in the neighborhood and Queens So baseball, basketball, football, boxing, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.240 I'm pretty much in love with If if I can't 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.879 do it, you won't see me do it. I'll follow it, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.480 but you won't see me play soccer, which the World 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.160 Cup was incredible, but I can't do it. And then 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.000 obviously you went to Saint John's where you're a great player, 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.159 and then in the NBA for seventeen years, Rookie of 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.080 the Year, you're drafted by the Knicks. What was that 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:36.399 like emotionally to get drafted by to play It's like 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.480 DeAndre Ayton, even though DeAndre is from the Bahamas, but 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.680