Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave Pash.
Speaker 1: Last week, we are back talking Arizona Cardinals with Zavan Collins,
Speaker 1: second year linebacker for the Cards, first round draft pick
Speaker 1: a year ago out of Tulsa. This week, we'll step
Speaker 1: outside the Cardinal space and talk primarily NBA, although we
Speaker 1: will talk a little bit about this week's opponent for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Mark Jackson ESPN
Speaker 1: ABC broadcaster. Mark spent seventeen years in the NBA as
Speaker 1: a player, one of the all time assist leaders in
Speaker 1: NBA history, part of the NBA Finals broadcast team, which
Speaker 1: is the longest running in NBA history. Seventeen years for
Speaker 1: Mike Green and Jeff Van Gundi. Fifteen years for Mike,
Speaker 1: Jeff and Mark Jackson. The reason why Mark wasn't there
Speaker 1: for a couple of years he was the head coach
Speaker 1: of the Golden State Warriors, leading them to two postseason
Speaker 1: appearances in three years. We'll talk with Mark about his
Speaker 1: love for Tom Brady and why he became a Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers fan. With Brady, the way he played a
Speaker 1: way you know, overachieved at a certain point, overcame obstacles
Speaker 1: and I love this fight, his grit compassion. We'll also
Speaker 1: talk about the NBA and Christmas Day, Mark's thoughts on
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. Will get in a little bit of
Speaker 1: some broadcasting stuff and ask Mark why the booth between Mark,
Speaker 1: Mike and Jeff is one of the most successful boots
Speaker 1: in the history of sports television. We also asked Mark
Speaker 1: about being a player in the NBA, some of his
Speaker 1: fondest memories, and also why he knew Clay Thompson and
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Speaker 1: for another edition of the Day Pash Podcast with our
Speaker 1: guest espn ABC broadcaster, former NBA head coach and seventeen
Speaker 1: year NBA point guard Mark Jackson. Well Mark, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I wanted to get you on, along with
Speaker 1: being a friend for the last fifteen sixteen years, was
Speaker 1: you've led such an interesting life and you've been successful
Speaker 1: at everything you've done, whether it was as a player
Speaker 1: for seventeen years, three years with the Warriors, back to
Speaker 1: back playoffs as the head coach, first time the Warriors
Speaker 1: had been in back to back playoffs in twenty years,
Speaker 1: and then as a broadcaster. You, Mike Breen and Jeff
Speaker 1: Van Gundy have been together for fifteen years, those two
Speaker 1: for seventeen. The reason you weren't there the other two
Speaker 1: as you were coaching you're a little busy. But the
Speaker 1: fact you guys have been the longest running NBA finals
Speaker 1: team in history, Like, when you started doing this, did
Speaker 1: you think that you guys would be together this long?
Speaker 1: Well when I started, First of all, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: When I started doing TV, I was doing Saturday nights
Speaker 1: and Friday nights in the studios in Bristol, Connecticut, and
Speaker 1: then I was doing NETS games with Marv Albert and
Speaker 1: nine and Eagles. So when I got the opportunity to
Speaker 1: call NBA Finals with Mike Green and Jevan Gundy, it
Speaker 1: was it was an incredible thing to learn. Knowing the
Speaker 1: history of the game, knowing the history of incredible boosts,
Speaker 1: not just in basketball but in sports in general. Never
Speaker 1: would I imagine that we'd be doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point and have so many underneath our belt.
Speaker 1: But it's a credit to the greatness of those two guys,
Speaker 1: the friendship that we have on and off the court.
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be in a booth with those guys
Speaker 1: along with Lisa's halt Is. It's an incredible group. And
Speaker 1: what you see and what you hear dround the course
Speaker 1: of the game is, as you know, is the same
Speaker 1: thing that you'd see in here over the course of
Speaker 1: dinner with all of us will get along incredibly well
Speaker 1: in that family for life. Yeah, you're right. It's fun
Speaker 1: when I get a chance, probably handful of times a
Speaker 1: year to work with both of you, and then you know,
Speaker 1: another handful of times a year to work with you individually,
Speaker 1: and then work with Jeff individually. And Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: are What you see is what you get. You guys
Speaker 1: are as real as it gets. I think your booth
Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame. If inside the NBA,
Speaker 1: which is a tremendous studio show, is in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, I think you guys should be as well.
Speaker 1: For what you guys have accomplished. Do you think because
Speaker 1: you guys knew each other before has helped with your chemistry?
Speaker 1: What do you think is the key to having a
Speaker 1: great booth? Well, it's a great question. Thank you for
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Not I appreciate it, But I
Speaker 1: will say this, Even though I would say I'd credit
Speaker 1: us knowing each other beforehand has a lot to do it,
Speaker 1: I would then, crazy as it sounds, say that it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is there are people that have been in
Speaker 1: boosts and known each other longer than we've known each
Speaker 1: other and known each other as much as we've known
Speaker 1: each other. But the thing is, we have no ego.
Speaker 1: So I've seen boosts get torn apart because of egos,
Speaker 1: because somebody says something, or somebody doesn't have enough time,
Speaker 1: or somebody is insulted, or somebody gets jealous of the attention.
Speaker 1: All those things, we could care less about who gets
Speaker 1: the attention. We are there to call the game and
Speaker 1: cover it and do the best that we possibly can do.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that Jeff van Gundya Mike Breen can say
Speaker 1: to me that I would take offense to because I
Speaker 1: know those guys love me and they know that I
Speaker 1: love them. So it's a unique situation, a unique boot
Speaker 1: where family trump's all and I will get I will
Speaker 1: say this, Mike Breen is as good as it gets
Speaker 1: as a point guard is concerned. When you talk about
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson and in my opinion, Ernie Johnson, Mike Breen,
Speaker 1: those are the three greatest point guards to ever do it.
Speaker 1: The way they control the team, the way they orchestrate
Speaker 1: everything that takes place, its thoughts and ends with them.
Speaker 1: And Jeff is just jeffs as brilliant and basketball mine
Speaker 1: as I've ever been around. I've had the privilege of
Speaker 1: watching him come into the NBA, watched him as an assistant,
Speaker 1: be loyal, dedicated, and work his tailoff, and I watched him,
Speaker 1: you know, every step of the way. He is an
Speaker 1: absolute basketball genius and family for life, somebody I have
Speaker 1: tremendous respect, appreciation and admiration for. Like like no Ova,
Speaker 1: we had Jeff on last year. He told the story
Speaker 1: of when his car blew up. Well, you won that team,
Speaker 1: you won that next team won his car. I think
Speaker 1: it was was on the tarmac and they were either
Speaker 1: pulling in or leaving, and I think the engine like
Speaker 1: blew the car up in the air and destroyed it.
Speaker 1: And then I think it destroyed Alan Houston's car as
Speaker 1: well because it landed on it. Yeah, that was one
Speaker 1: of his earlier trip as the head coach of the Knicks.
Speaker 1: I wasn't on that team, but was reading about it
Speaker 1: and knew it was typical Jeff Van Gundy. I was
Speaker 1: well away of the car because the same car he
Speaker 1: drove as an assistant when I was there. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: only in Jeff Vangundy form and fashion could something like
Speaker 1: that app And I've been in Jeff's current car. It's
Speaker 1: probably the same making model as that one. Believable. He
Speaker 1: doesn't invest well. Well, that one was probably cleaner. This
Speaker 1: guy does not watch his causes, which is unbelievable. He
Speaker 1: only watches the keeps the inside clean, which makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I mean it's typical, Jeff. When I did that game
Speaker 1: with you guys a couple of weeks ago, you were
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of Jeff holding the clicker, what
Speaker 1: he does with his bottom lip when he holds the clicker,
Speaker 1: going back and forth watching film. What are some other
Speaker 1: great and I know I'm asking you off the top
Speaker 1: of your head, but any other great Jeff Van Gundy
Speaker 1: stories that like this is the perfect form to tell that.
Speaker 1: It would be too hard to tell in the middle
Speaker 1: of a broadcast and certainly an NBA playoff game. Will
Speaker 1: you walk around the facility with no shoes on, with
Speaker 1: just his socks due put some shoes on? I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, man, So he'd walked around with his lip
Speaker 1: poked out, with remote in his hand and just his
Speaker 1: socks and no shoes because he's at home. He spent
Speaker 1: so much time and I've been around coaches that that fake.
Speaker 1: The amount of time they were at the facility, Jeff
Speaker 1: Van Gundy is actually there getting stuff done and making
Speaker 1: sure he leaves no stone unturned because of his preparations.
Speaker 1: So I give him credit for that. But put some
Speaker 1: shoes on, dude, and tuck in your bottom lip. We
Speaker 1: don't need to see you your bottom lip poked out
Speaker 1: all day long, waiting to show me a clip of
Speaker 1: not helping and recovering or springing back in transition. He
Speaker 1: is one thing. There's a lot of things I appreciate
Speaker 1: about Jeff. I work with Ron Wall in the Cardinal games,
Speaker 1: and Wolf played for the Cardinals, but he also played
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick in Cleveland. And I don't think Belichick
Speaker 1: came on his radio show when the Cardinals played the
Speaker 1: Patriots the last time, but usually every time the Cardinals
Speaker 1: play New England, Belichick will come on Wolf show. He
Speaker 1: played from thirty years ago. Yet there's still a respect
Speaker 1: and appreciation for any former player. Jeff is the same
Speaker 1: way I've noticed, whether it's you or other guys, Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 1: other guys that he coached, and it's real, it's not fake,
Speaker 1: like he really appreciates and always points to the players,
Speaker 1: always gives the player credit for helping him. He'll always
Speaker 1: say he's got I remember we'd do those games from
Speaker 1: our houses during COVID year and he'd have a picture
Speaker 1: of Patrick Ewing behind him and he said, I have
Speaker 1: this year, so the camera see the guy that built
Speaker 1: my house. Not literally, but Patrick Patrick Hue is the
Speaker 1: reason I have this nice house well. And he understands it.
Speaker 1: He gets it and anybody that understands what it takes
Speaker 1: in sports, not just basketball, but in sports in general.
Speaker 1: You don't win as a coach without talent and and
Speaker 1: and greatness, and that greatness and talent embracing you, especially
Speaker 1: if you're a guy like Jeff at Gunny. And he's
Speaker 1: well aware of that where he came from that a guy,
Speaker 1: a franchised talent like Patrick Ewing had to embrace him
Speaker 1: and put a stamp on everything he was preaching, or
Speaker 1: he could have it could have gone the other way.
Speaker 1: We've seen that with great with great players, uh alien
Speaker 1: ate a coach and not give him a chance. So
Speaker 1: he embraces the fact that Patrick did that for him.
Speaker 1: And and I wouldn't say Patrick just did it for him,
Speaker 1: because Patrick is a loyal guy and he's a winner.
Speaker 1: Patrick saw the amount of work that Jeff was putting
Speaker 1: into it and the knowledge that he had, and he
Speaker 1: trusted him because of that. He didn't just blindly trust them.
Speaker 1: So Jeff is ignoring the fact that he earned that
Speaker 1: respect and that trust from guys like Patrick ewing Uh
Speaker 1: and and and they propelled them to an incredible basketball career.
Speaker 1: So so so I would say I understand his humility,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it was earned the respect
Speaker 1: in the embrace of everything that he was preaching to
Speaker 1: his troops. Well, and you mentioned humility, and that comes
Speaker 1: across with all you guys, and you talked about having
Speaker 1: no ego. I think that's maybe the biggest key to
Speaker 1: why your booth mark is among the best in sports
Speaker 1: because and I'll a lot of times talk either at
Speaker 1: Syracuse or other schools will ask me to talk about
Speaker 1: play by play and what's the success, what's the reason
Speaker 1: for being successful? And I always talk about you know,
Speaker 1: you have to have a booth. Where as the play
Speaker 1: by play guy, your job is to make the analysts
Speaker 1: the star and let the analysts shine. And sometimes especially
Speaker 1: the three person booth, the analysts are all jocking for
Speaker 1: position and it's wall to wall talking what makes you
Speaker 1: guys great is there might be a couple of possessions
Speaker 1: that go by and it's just Breen calling the play
Speaker 1: because if you don't have anything to say, you're not
Speaker 1: going to just talk to talk. And Jeff's the same way.
Speaker 1: So I've always appreciated that when working with you guys,
Speaker 1: it's it's conversational, it's easy, it's smooth, and it's fun
Speaker 1: and entertaining. And you guys are always good about picking
Speaker 1: your spots when to be goofy and funny and when
Speaker 1: to be serious. So and then you watch so many
Speaker 1: sporting events and you know, sadly you see people talking
Speaker 1: over each other and talking over the moment. Uh. It
Speaker 1: comes with with with doing it repetition and learning the
Speaker 1: fact of how to how to best you know, tell
Speaker 1: the story and sometimes let let the let the scene
Speaker 1: tell the story along with Mike. So we take we
Speaker 1: take great pride and sitting back and witnessing greatness. Uh
Speaker 1: So we don't take ourselves serious. And some of the
Speaker 1: best moments has been us laying out and and I
Speaker 1: gave credit to Mike and Jeff. I also want to
Speaker 1: give credit to our boss, which you know very well,
Speaker 1: Tim Cork who does an incredible job of letting us
Speaker 1: be who we truly are, individually and collectively, guiding us,
Speaker 1: us leading us, and not over coaching he is. He's
Speaker 1: a brilliant coach as far as production is concerned, and
Speaker 1: somebody has been there the entire way with us, and
Speaker 1: we don't take for granted now. He's as good as
Speaker 1: it gets in terms of being a game producer, as
Speaker 1: good as it gets on any sport. One of the
Speaker 1: other reasons I wanted to have Jan was to talk
Speaker 1: about the team that the Cardinals are playing this week,
Speaker 1: more so the quarterback the Cardinals are playing against, because
Speaker 1: I just assumed, I don't know when I found this out,
Speaker 1: but I just assumed that you were, you know, a
Speaker 1: guy that grew up in New York City, a Giants
Speaker 1: fan or a Jets fan. But you told me this
Speaker 1: was probably ten years ago, that you were a Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: and the reason you were a Patriots fan is because
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady. And then you went on to tell
Speaker 1: me when Brady went to the Buccaneers that you're now
Speaker 1: a Buccaneers fan. First of all, who was your team
Speaker 1: growing up, Mark, And when did you shift your allegiance
Speaker 1: to following Brady and the Patriots and now the Buccaneers. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a big sports fan, and I was growing up.
Speaker 1: I was Jets, a Giants fan in football, um, and
Speaker 1: I was just a fan of football. And then when
Speaker 1: Dan Marino became the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, I
Speaker 1: became a Dolphins fan because of Dan Marino. Uh. I
Speaker 1: fell in love with the way through the ball, the
Speaker 1: way he played, and just everything about him. And so
Speaker 1: so I wasn't a Patriots fan until Marino retired. When
Speaker 1: Marino retired, when Brady got on the scene, I had
Speaker 1: to find another team or another guy that I thought
Speaker 1: would be, you know, somebody that I can embrace in,
Speaker 1: and it became Tom Brady. So fell in love with Brady,
Speaker 1: the way he played, the way you know, overachieved that
Speaker 1: at a certain point, overcame obstacles and and uh being
Speaker 1: a backup in all of those things. And I loved
Speaker 1: this story. I loved this fight, his grit, his compassion,
Speaker 1: and h I became a Patriots fan. And then when
Speaker 1: not when he became a Tampa Bay Buck and there
Speaker 1: but when Brady decided to leave the New England Patriots,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter wherever he was going, that's the team
Speaker 1: I was going to root for. So when he decided
Speaker 1: to go with Tampa Bay, I became a Buck fan.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's what I am today, and that's what
Speaker 1: I'll be until he retires or leaving goes somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and he goes somewhere else, That'll be my team, for
Speaker 1: better off or worse. And when he retires, I'll be
Speaker 1: on to the next one. I'm not sure that be
Speaker 1: who that will be, but it won't be. It's not
Speaker 1: the best player, per se. It's it's to me. It's
Speaker 1: like like in baseball, I was I was Alex Rojiguez guy.
Speaker 1: So wherever Alex went, I would have been, I would
Speaker 1: have been with Alex. He's he's my guy, somebody I
Speaker 1: love and I love his story and I truly believe
Speaker 1: he should be in the Hall of Fame. Uh that's
Speaker 1: for another story. Have you had a chance to get
Speaker 1: to know Brady at all? No, never met him. Uh,
Speaker 1: just just know him from a distances as a fan.
Speaker 1: As you watch the team this year six and eight
Speaker 1: but still leading the division, it's the worst regular season
Speaker 1: that Brady's had, but still at his age, it is
Speaker 1: remarkable what he's doing. Turnovers were really what did them
Speaker 1: in against Cincinnati on Sunday? What do you make of
Speaker 1: this year's team and do you still think, despite being
Speaker 1: six and eight that if they win the division, that
Speaker 1: they're good enough to make a run of the postseason?
Speaker 1: Disappointed thus far, and to me as a as a fan,
Speaker 1: as a player, as a coach, as a guy that
Speaker 1: covers sports, I'm disappointed with the lack of discipline, their consistency.
Speaker 1: If they played the way they played in the first
Speaker 1: half yesterday, then they can get to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and beat anybody in the NFC. Offensively and defensively, they
Speaker 1: were clicking. The sad thing is that if they played
Speaker 1: the way they played in the second half yesterday, there's
Speaker 1: a chance they won't even make the playoffs. They've got
Speaker 1: to be better, and they're good enough to get it done,
Speaker 1: but they haven't displayed a consistency all year long. So
Speaker 1: everything that I know about sports tells me that you
Speaker 1: all your habits and I shouldn't trust them. But because
Speaker 1: of the greatness of Tom Brady and that team being
Speaker 1: able to do it before, I'm holding on to their hope,
Speaker 1: thinking that they could find a way to click on
Speaker 1: all cylinders and get high at the right moment, because
Speaker 1: I'm not in love with anybody in the NFC to
Speaker 1: the point where I think that the Bucks when clicking,
Speaker 1: can't beat them, whether it be in their building or
Speaker 1: the oppositions building. To me, and I've seen the Eagles
Speaker 1: this year in person, granted was early in the year,
Speaker 1: seen the forty nine Ers in person. Once the Cardinals
Speaker 1: play there the last game of the season, and obviously
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are a shell of the team we thought
Speaker 1: that we were going to have. They've played more players
Speaker 1: than anybody in the NFL and Trace McSorley man ended
Speaker 1: up starting this week and who knows, maybe the of
Speaker 1: the year, depending on how Colt is doing. To me,
Speaker 1: San Francisco is the best team, the most complete team.
Speaker 1: I have to see jail and hurt to do it
Speaker 1: in the postseason to believe it. Um, I still think
Speaker 1: it's probably Kansas City or Buffalo that wins the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but I do think it'll be the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: against one of those two teams. Who do you think
Speaker 1: right now is the team to beat in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's wide open, um when you look
Speaker 1: at the AFC, so many teams legitimately have a have
Speaker 1: a chance and are good enough to get high, especially
Speaker 1: with the quarterback play being at the level that it is.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. So Kansas City, Buffalo, uh gotta be, you know,
Speaker 1: the favorites in the AFC. But I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: counting anybody out because I will say this when you
Speaker 1: when you look at Tom Brady and what he does
Speaker 1: when it matters most, he takes care of the ball.
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, trying anything to be a super hero.
Speaker 1: He's he's marching down the field effectively and efficiently. When
Speaker 1: I look at the quarterback play and say who's gonna
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl? Who has a chance to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? I think any one of those those
Speaker 1: other guys can throw one away and cost that team.
Speaker 1: As great as they are, I don't think they take
Speaker 1: care of football as well as they should. At times
Speaker 1: they can be careless. And that's the greatness of Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahons too. He can throw one away trying to do
Speaker 1: too much. So so that's the concern with me picking
Speaker 1: any particular team. I think it's a great time, It's
Speaker 1: tremendous parody throughout the league, and I think it's wide open.
Speaker 1: Even though you talk about Philly and San Francisco. Can
Speaker 1: I say that they won't throw one away? They won't
Speaker 1: not being careless, But are they good enough to take
Speaker 1: care of basketball? To basketball's good enough to take care
Speaker 1: of football the entire way? And I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: that they won't give the opposition a chance to beat
Speaker 1: them off for the mistake. No, I agree. I think we,
Speaker 1: first of all, don't know what the quarterback situation is
Speaker 1: going to be like in San Francisco. And can Brock
Speaker 1: pretty keep doing this? And if Jimmy G can't come back,
Speaker 1: can he know can he win a big playoff game?
Speaker 1: Same question for him that we have for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: Growing up in New York City, did you play football
Speaker 1: at all? Mark? If not, what other sports did you
Speaker 1: play growing up besides basketball? Well, my first sport was baseball.
Speaker 1: I played baseball as a as a kid. My first
Speaker 1: sport as seven years old when we moved from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: the Queens. I got into a little league and I
Speaker 1: played for the you know, the Royals, and we had
Speaker 1: a good time and I fell in love with baseball
Speaker 1: as seven years old and pretty much the same time,
Speaker 1: I fell in love with basketball and I played football
Speaker 1: for a year or two. Enjoyed that. I'm I boxed
Speaker 1: in the local PLU in the neighborhood and Queens So baseball, basketball, football, boxing,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much in love with If if I can't
Speaker 1: do it, you won't see me do it. I'll follow it,
Speaker 1: but you won't see me play soccer, which the World
Speaker 1: Cup was incredible, but I can't do it. And then
Speaker 1: obviously you went to Saint John's where you're a great player,
Speaker 1: and then in the NBA for seventeen years, Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year, you're drafted by the Knicks. What was that
Speaker 1: like emotionally to get drafted by to play It's like
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, even though DeAndre is from the Bahamas, but
Speaker 1: you know, high school in Phoenix, college at University of Arizona, Tucson,
Speaker 1: NBA with the Sons. You take it one step further
Speaker 1: from growing up in New York, playing college basketball in
Speaker 1: New York City and then playing in the NBA in
Speaker 1: New York City to start your career. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, you know, to be a kid watching
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks listening to them, dreaming about being
Speaker 1: Erlman Roll. Up until I got to high school. I
Speaker 1: wore number fifteen my entire life for Earl the Perlman role.
Speaker 1: He was my favorite player growing up, and he was
Speaker 1: a back called partner Walt Frazier with the New York Knicks. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I pinched myself sometimes as I look at my
Speaker 1: phone and I'm texting as a fifteen fifty seven year
Speaker 1: old man, I go back to being a little kid
Speaker 1: because I have the privilege in honor of having Erlman
Speaker 1: role's phone number and text him every now and then.
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm I'm absolutely amazed when I think
Speaker 1: about the fact that this guy that I dreamed about being,
Speaker 1: I even get chills and emotional thinking about it right
Speaker 1: now that I have the privilege of text him and
Speaker 1: calling him and interacting with him. It's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: mind blowing. So you mayn't even forget the question, oh
Speaker 1: yeah and the Knicks when I get it's crazy when
Speaker 1: you think about that, Uh, that I have the privilege
Speaker 1: to be in contact with the guy that I that
Speaker 1: that stoked the dream in me. Uh, the playing playing
Speaker 1: in New York City. The dream was to be a
Speaker 1: New York Knick and to be drafted, to be to
Speaker 1: be playing college in Saint John's with a great Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Luke on a second. To then go from
Speaker 1: there to playing in New York City was a dream
Speaker 1: come true. Matta Square Garden, twenty thousand hometown. It's not
Speaker 1: just twenty thousand fans. I got elementary school teachers, elements,
Speaker 1: elementary school classmates, you know, high school principles, middle school
Speaker 1: classmates and teaches. You know, is I'm looking in the
Speaker 1: stands and it was. It was absolutely a surreal feeling
Speaker 1: when you were traded by the Knicks to the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Was that painful for you? I know you did come
Speaker 1: back and play for the Knicks again, but was it
Speaker 1: painful because you thought maybe you were leaving for the
Speaker 1: last time? What was that like? Well, it was painful.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. It was painful because I can remember specifically
Speaker 1: pat Riley having a team meeting in the locker room
Speaker 1: and he says, let me let you guys know something.
Speaker 1: There's only two guys in there that's gonna be life
Speaker 1: as with the Knicks, and that's Patrick Euin and Mark Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm young and dumb. I'm thinking, yeah, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a father. Little did I know at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: sooner soon I would be you know, shipped off to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But it was a surprise. But right away
Speaker 1: I knew, uh it was a business, and I had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go somewhere else, to play in another uniform,
Speaker 1: to impact impact another community. And and and anytime you
Speaker 1: get traded it it shows that somebody else values what
Speaker 1: you bring to the table. So I never looked at
Speaker 1: it as disrespect. I understood it was a business, and
Speaker 1: I looked at it as an opportunity to further my
Speaker 1: career and impact a whole other community. Going to LA
Speaker 1: obviously helped me moving forward because now I live in LA.
Speaker 1: When I moved from New York, you know, fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, I was looking for home somewhere else. And
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that's a creature of habit as, you know,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go someplace that I was familiar with,
Speaker 1: uh and and LA was a place that I had
Speaker 1: become familiar with since you know, nineteen, I believe ninety two.
Speaker 1: And it's been it's been great. This next question was
Speaker 1: not on my list, but uh, and I'm gonna end
Speaker 1: up going way over the time. I said I was
Speaker 1: going to keep you, but but Jeff sent me some
Speaker 1: questions to ask you, so you can blame him for
Speaker 1: going too long. One of my favorite thirty for thirties
Speaker 1: was Winning Time Reggie Miller versus The New York Next
Speaker 1: And part of the reason I loved it knowing you,
Speaker 1: but also the showing you and the impact you had
Speaker 1: on him. Was there anything if people have seen that
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty because most people I talked to you
Speaker 1: have it's a pretty popular one. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: was left on the cutting room floor that you know
Speaker 1: you would want people to know about that team or
Speaker 1: your relationship with Reggie Miller? Obviously the Spike League games
Speaker 1: those are very memorable, but is there anything else marked
Speaker 1: that you can think of? You know, Jeff is different
Speaker 1: than me. You can say that Jeff, what happened in
Speaker 1: Game three going into the third quarter, and Jeff will
Speaker 1: specifically break down exactly what happened. I don't recall. I
Speaker 1: know we won, but I don't I don't remember different
Speaker 1: situations or games or game four, Game three or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Things that jump out to me are specific
Speaker 1: moments leaving the arena in Indiana after we beat them
Speaker 1: and getting in my car with my family and seeing
Speaker 1: this guy walking on the on the on the side
Speaker 1: of the street in the freezing coal with his bottom
Speaker 1: lip poked out, wondering if anything he could have done
Speaker 1: to get to win, And it was Jeff an Gunny
Speaker 1: sa I'll roll the window down and I'm like he
Speaker 1: okay man. I'm like, you're okay man. It's just like
Speaker 1: those moments jump out. But I tell you, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. Could that Nick team that we
Speaker 1: beat win a championship today? Dances yes. So I don't
Speaker 1: believe that the only teams that we count as great
Speaker 1: teams are the ones that won it. No, they they've had,
Speaker 1: you know, they had great teams. Certainly the moment was right.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me that that Utah Jazz team couldn't
Speaker 1: have won a championship, that Nick team, that Heat team,
Speaker 1: you know, before Lebron and Wade and botching those guys.
Speaker 1: There's so many great teams that have lost. You know,
Speaker 1: the Birds teams that lost the Magic are the Magic
Speaker 1: team that lost the Birds um But Jeff Van Gundy
Speaker 1: whether he had Patrick Ewing or shorthanded Nick team. The
Speaker 1: thing that jumps out they were always prepared, They stayed ready,
Speaker 1: they competed their tail off, and they were absolute champions
Speaker 1: and winners in spite of not winning at all because
Speaker 1: they went the way they went about handling that business
Speaker 1: where they competed and the where they represented New York City.
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing goes for you know,
Speaker 1: that Pacer team and those Pacer teams that I was
Speaker 1: privileged to be part of. But Reggie Miller is a
Speaker 1: friend for life, uh, his family for life. I'm the
Speaker 1: godfather of his oldest child. M honored to be that
Speaker 1: and uh and we we share some incredible moments together.
Speaker 1: And I specifically get excited when I turn on the
Speaker 1: TV and people that I spend quality time with over
Speaker 1: the cost of my life still relevant all these years later.
Speaker 1: You look at a guy like Kenny Smith. I grew
Speaker 1: up with Kenny Smith. We had dreams, we had aspirations
Speaker 1: of one day doing it and to be able to
Speaker 1: turn on TV and note that he's in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Reggie's in the Hall of Fame. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible to watch Mike Green being in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame to watch Jeff Van Gunny and his
Speaker 1: impact on the game of basketball. I'm watching a drill
Speaker 1: on on an Internet and as a defensive shell drill,
Speaker 1: and they're calling it to TIBs drill. I love Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 1: That's the Jeff Yangunny Drew. We did that when Jeff
Speaker 1: Van gundy was the head coach. So Jeff yang Gunny's
Speaker 1: impact goes beyond just a three man booth. He is
Speaker 1: a basketball genius. As somebody I love when you get
Speaker 1: the Warrior's job. Obviously, you know, Jeff, as you've been
Speaker 1: saying throughout this podcast, and I'm sure people that remember
Speaker 1: when you were coaching the Warriors the type of coach
Speaker 1: that you were. Obviously, Jeff had a big impact on
Speaker 1: you as a coach. Who are some of the other
Speaker 1: I know, Rick Pettino you played for as well, pat
Speaker 1: Riley you mentioned. Who are some of the other coaches
Speaker 1: that impacted you during that stint when you were the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Warriors. Well, I will tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll get this, give you this nugget that hasn't been
Speaker 1: known as far as I know, I as a head
Speaker 1: coach of the Warriors, not not when I first got
Speaker 1: the job, but at some point being the coach of
Speaker 1: the Warriors off of Jeff Yang gunn to be the
Speaker 1: highest paid assistant in the league, to be my assistant,
Speaker 1: my assistant coach, and the timing wasn't right. So that's
Speaker 1: that's how much I think of Jeff and how much
Speaker 1: I valued his basketball knowledge and how much he has
Speaker 1: made me better, not only as a basketball coach, a
Speaker 1: basketball player, but as a person overall. Yeah, I've not
Speaker 1: heard that story. I don't think I've even heard that
Speaker 1: off the year. No, I never I never shed it.
Speaker 1: But but that's what I think of him. I don't
Speaker 1: believe I played seventeen years in the NBA if I
Speaker 1: if Rick Patino's not my first coach. He's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coach, an incredible basketball mine, and a guy
Speaker 1: that allowed me, a New York City point guard, to
Speaker 1: play through mistakes and instill tremendous confidence in me and
Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity. So if he doesn't give me that,
Speaker 1: it doesn't propel me to have a seventeen year career.
Speaker 1: So I'm forever grateful I played for so many Hall
Speaker 1: of fame coaches off the top of my head, pat Riley,
Speaker 1: Lanny Wilkins, Uh, Jerry Sloan, Larry Bird, who was not
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame coach, but the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: UH basketball player obviously in one of the truly greats.
Speaker 1: Um was an incredible basketball coach because he knew what
Speaker 1: he he understood what he what he knew, and he
Speaker 1: understood what he didn't know. And he instilled, you know,
Speaker 1: quality guys around him in the late Dicata and and
Speaker 1: Rick call out and allowed them to, you know, to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, control the offensive and the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the floor. And Bird was a brilliant basketball mine
Speaker 1: that trusted us. I'm trying to think about Luknaseca, who
Speaker 1: obviously is a Hall of Fame coach. UM I played
Speaker 1: for some Off the top of my head is Larry Brown.
Speaker 1: Was that Brown was the Hall of Fame coach that
Speaker 1: I played for in Los Angeles and in Indiana twice. UM.
Speaker 1: So I've been around some some some great basketball minds
Speaker 1: that I've stolen from learning what to do and just
Speaker 1: as important, what not to do, because they all they
Speaker 1: were not perfect. But I learned what to do and
Speaker 1: what not to do, and I still things and to
Speaker 1: the day when I became a head coach that I
Speaker 1: took a little piece of them and it made me
Speaker 1: better as a basketball mine and a basketball coach. Well,
Speaker 1: everybody knows, Mark, you helped set the table for the
Speaker 1: Warriors for the success that they've had with the four championships,
Speaker 1: not just as a coach, but as a talent evaluator,
Speaker 1: whether it's picking Stuff Curry over Monte Ellis, drafting Clay Thompson.
Speaker 1: Obviously you were there and a part of that. And
Speaker 1: then you recognized early on the talent of both those
Speaker 1: guys and made the statement, I know you've been asked
Speaker 1: this a thousand times, but made the statement that Clay
Speaker 1: Thompson and Steph Curry will be the greatest shooting backcourt
Speaker 1: in NBA history. Is true? That is a true statement.
Speaker 1: At the time, a lot of people probably were like,
Speaker 1: why is Mark saying that? How did you know? What
Speaker 1: was it about those two guys? Considering all the great players,
Speaker 1: great shooters that you played with or against, and you
Speaker 1: already mentioned one of them, Reggie Miller, who probably prior
Speaker 1: to those two guys you could say was maybe the
Speaker 1: greatest shooter ever, certainly in clutch situations. What about those
Speaker 1: two guys stood out to you to make that statement.
Speaker 1: It's funny because to me, I get credit for it,
Speaker 1: But it was an easy call. And I know people
Speaker 1: you know doubted it then and thought I was crazy
Speaker 1: and going overboard. It was an absolute easy call to make.
Speaker 1: I watched those guys every single day shooting shots at
Speaker 1: a level I've been fortunate enough and blessed enough to
Speaker 1: play alongside of. I want to say about, you know,
Speaker 1: seven eight guys that if you put the greatest if
Speaker 1: you took the fifteen greatest players, the greatest shooters just
Speaker 1: shooting the basketball, fifteen or twenty guys, I got eight
Speaker 1: to ten of them that I played with that would
Speaker 1: be on that list, And any one of those guys
Speaker 1: can come out of that gym as as the winner
Speaker 1: if they had a shooting content. You talked about Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, Chris Mullen. I played
Speaker 1: with Dale Ellis. I played with Dale Curry. I played
Speaker 1: with Eddie Johnson m I coached Steph Curry. I coached
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson. Forgive me if I'm forgetting anybody else that
Speaker 1: I played with that where they But those guys are.
Speaker 1: Those guys are great, great shooters. And to watch Steph
Speaker 1: and Clay shoot every single day and you can count
Speaker 1: on your hand how many times they miss. The way
Speaker 1: that they played game, speed, in practice, shooting the basketball,
Speaker 1: the way they shot in games, variety of ways in
Speaker 1: which they can get this shot off and shoot it.
Speaker 1: It was an easy call for me to say they
Speaker 1: would be that they were the greatest shooting backhart in
Speaker 1: the history of the game, and for people to doubt it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just thinking about them and the guys
Speaker 1: I played with. I'm a fan of the game. I
Speaker 1: know the game inside out. If you said that they weren't,
Speaker 1: and you said who the best shooting backcourt outside of
Speaker 1: them statistically to me, and people would say, well, Jerry
Speaker 1: West and Gale Goods, that's not true. John Stockton and
Speaker 1: Jeff Hornesec both guys effective and efficient and good ones.
Speaker 1: One you know, Jeff is a great shooter. John is
Speaker 1: a very good shooter who statistically is a great shooter. Um,
Speaker 1: so those guys would be. Those guys would be second.
Speaker 1: And with all due respect, I say this with all
Speaker 1: due respect, Stephan Clay are in a different class as
Speaker 1: far as shooters are concerned. So it was an easy
Speaker 1: call for me to make understanding the history of the
Speaker 1: game and respecting the history of the game. It was
Speaker 1: a compliment to those guys, and I was privileged to
Speaker 1: not only, you know, make that call, but even more importantly,
Speaker 1: to have the privilege in honor to coach those guys
Speaker 1: and the guys that I had in Golden State, Mark,
Speaker 1: what would it take for you, because you have a
Speaker 1: great job, and I know you love your job and
Speaker 1: you love where you live in Los Angeles, what would
Speaker 1: it for you to go back and be a head
Speaker 1: coach again in the NBA? Well, I look forward to
Speaker 1: the day when I when I'm coaching again. And that's
Speaker 1: not just in the NBA. I'd entertained coaching, you know,
Speaker 1: in college also, So I look forward to the day
Speaker 1: that I have an opportunity to lead a group of
Speaker 1: men uh A with a program, whether it be on
Speaker 1: a college level on a professional level. I had an
Speaker 1: incredible time being part of something that was built in
Speaker 1: Golden State that has been able to be sustained with
Speaker 1: the greatness of Steve Kerr and that organization and what
Speaker 1: they've been able to do I had at the time
Speaker 1: of my life, playing a role and building something, helping
Speaker 1: to establish something with great coaching, great ownership, great great management,
Speaker 1: and most importantly, great players. I really am excited about
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it again at some point I
Speaker 1: look forward to it. Well, but I will say this,
Speaker 1: I'm at peace with who I am as a man,
Speaker 1: and I'm at peace for what God has for me.
Speaker 1: And if that doesn't happen, then I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lose my mind. I have an
Speaker 1: incredible job calling NBA finals and working for ESPN, ABC
Speaker 1: and working with guys and and and and Lisa that
Speaker 1: I love and enjoy every time I get the opportunity
Speaker 1: to pull on the heads. Well, look, I and I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one that feels this way. I think
Speaker 1: it's crazy that you're not coaching right now again. As
Speaker 1: good as you are doing what you're doing and could
Speaker 1: do this for a long time, I'd love to see
Speaker 1: you get another chance, whether it's in the NBA or
Speaker 1: running a college program. I think you deserve it. The
Speaker 1: job you did with the Warriors, going to the playoffs
Speaker 1: twice in three years, winning a playoff series, when the
Speaker 1: Warriors had been awful for as long as they were.
Speaker 1: I think it's overdue that you get another opportunity to
Speaker 1: be a head coach in the NBA or in college.
Speaker 1: As for with Christmas Day upon us in five games
Speaker 1: on ESPN, ABC, I'll be in Dallas, You'll be at
Speaker 1: Golden State. The Suns are playing in Denver. That's the
Speaker 1: last game we just had them. You and Jeff and
Speaker 1: I did the Boston game where they're down forty five
Speaker 1: at one point. What do you make of the Sons
Speaker 1: And do you think if you and I know we
Speaker 1: talked about this on the year, if you had a
Speaker 1: list of teams that can win the championship, are the
Speaker 1: Sons in that mix as they currently exist or do
Speaker 1: they have to go out and make another move in
Speaker 1: your mind? Well, I think as they currently exist, they
Speaker 1: are in the mix, and I will they put themselves
Speaker 1: further in the mix if they enhanced that talent and
Speaker 1: make a move. Absolutely, But I think they're good enough
Speaker 1: to win it all. And because of the leadership of
Speaker 1: Montie Williams, James Jones and what he's done from day one,
Speaker 1: Superstar and Devin Booker, who is as good as there
Speaker 1: is in this league to sit down and talk to.
Speaker 1: I love his mindset. I'm even watching the game the
Speaker 1: other night where he has fifty seven, and he has
Speaker 1: an old school mentality. Because of the chippiness between the
Speaker 1: Pelicans and the Suns, they're on edge. He gets the
Speaker 1: ball clock doing ling down. Normally you would hold the basketball.
Speaker 1: He shoots a three at the buzzer, basically saying screw
Speaker 1: you to the Pelicans and everybody else. Just that mentality
Speaker 1: that he has is refreshing. It's old school, and he's
Speaker 1: not trying to be friends out there, even though he's
Speaker 1: cardially respectful, and even Clay Thompson, the battle that they
Speaker 1: had with each other, nothing but respect and appreciation admiration
Speaker 1: for one another when the game was over. But in
Speaker 1: between those lines, you're gonna have to see me. That's
Speaker 1: the mentality that's refreshing, and that's the old school mentality
Speaker 1: having Chris Paul. I think it's important for them to
Speaker 1: make sure he's healthy and whole and able to get
Speaker 1: to the finish line. But I think it would make
Speaker 1: them better to get another playmaker, taking the pressure off
Speaker 1: of Booker, and then to get some size. But they
Speaker 1: are certainly good enough in a seven game series to
Speaker 1: beat anybody in the East in the West. Two more questions,
Speaker 1: we'll get you out of here. Mark. For a lot
Speaker 1: of fans, Christmas Day is the start of the NBA season.
Speaker 1: That's usually one of the biggest days, if not the
Speaker 1: biggest day in terms of ratings for the NBA. But obviously,
Speaker 1: guys like you and I have been calling games for
Speaker 1: the last two months and watching games on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Who's the best team you've seen? Again? We just had Boston,
Speaker 1: but they've lost a couple of games to Orlando here
Speaker 1: in the last week, so I don't know if Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: in your mind, has overtaken them. Who do you think
Speaker 1: is the best team? It is a great question, and
Speaker 1: it's it's wide open. I think Boston and Milwaukee are
Speaker 1: the best two teams right now. I think if you
Speaker 1: twisted mom, I would probably say Milwaukee because they've done
Speaker 1: it not being whole, even though Boston didn't have Robert Williams.
Speaker 1: But I think the valuable pieces that Milwaukee has been missing,
Speaker 1: and then they're going to be able to add even
Speaker 1: a guy like Joe Ingles who has the ability to
Speaker 1: play multiple positions, defend, play out of pick and roll,
Speaker 1: make shots, gives them such depth and versatility. They're a dangerous,
Speaker 1: dangerous team. And Jannis again has that old school mentality
Speaker 1: not trying to make friends out there is an incredible
Speaker 1: basketball player that keeps his foot on the gas pedal
Speaker 1: at all times and only wants to get better. But
Speaker 1: Boston is going to be right there when you're talking
Speaker 1: about those two wing players. Wing players crucial in today's game,
Speaker 1: and they have two of the elite, not just wing players,
Speaker 1: but players in the game of basketball. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun season and I can't wait to crown
Speaker 1: a championship because it is going to be tremendous having
Speaker 1: an opportunity to tell the story as it plays out
Speaker 1: last one and before actually ask the question, have you
Speaker 1: seen the documentary Love the Untold series on Netflix? Have
Speaker 1: you seen the Rise and Fall of And One? I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you've seen it. Yes, I did watch a little.
Speaker 1: It's tough for me that I know watching Well, that's
Speaker 1: good emotionally, Yeah, I'm sorry, and that's why I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about the documentary. Your late brother Troy
Speaker 1: was such a big part also known as Big Escalade,
Speaker 1: big part of the N one mixtape tour. I have
Speaker 1: not seen untold the rise and fall of N one,
Speaker 1: but I've heard great things from a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Is that is that something I should be watching tonight?
Speaker 1: Is that? Like? Should that be on the menu? The
Speaker 1: next thing I watch? If you get an opportunity? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm so proud of my young brother Escalade.
Speaker 1: And it's even funny calling Escalade. We know him as
Speaker 1: Troy and people say young that's just the same parents, Yes,
Speaker 1: same parents, Mom and dad Mary forty years the I
Speaker 1: guess got a little hot one day, ten years removed
Speaker 1: from my younger sister and we gotta we gotta a
Speaker 1: son on the way. But the craziest thing that had
Speaker 1: happened I watched him grow and dream and and play,
Speaker 1: and then dreams fall short is not making it to
Speaker 1: the league, battling with Waite, and then I can remember,
Speaker 1: you know any one started and he becomes he said,
Speaker 1: well known. With knowing, I'm like, get known, and you know,
Speaker 1: I brush it to the side. And then one day
Speaker 1: I go to the mall with him and we're walking
Speaker 1: through the mall and somebody runs up to me and
Speaker 1: I'm all ready to sign an autograph and take a
Speaker 1: picture and they say, can you can you take this
Speaker 1: picture with me and Escalator? And I'm like and and
Speaker 1: he could have he could have went on to be
Speaker 1: with guy that moment. He he he had made it
Speaker 1: because they wanted me to take a picture of them
Speaker 1: with him as opposed to me being the star in
Speaker 1: the family. But I was extremely proud of him. I'm
Speaker 1: still proud of him when people calling to me today
Speaker 1: and talking about what he did for them, and it
Speaker 1: was spoke a word to them, encouraged them, helped them,
Speaker 1: gott them, nurtured them, mented them. His legacy lives on
Speaker 1: and I couldn't be proud of well. Mark. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Thanks Jack so much for your time. Really
Speaker 1: appreciate it and looking forward to when our game's over,
Speaker 1: watching you guys on Sunday night, and look forward to
Speaker 1: working with you at some point here the next month.
Speaker 1: Continue the great work and again appreciate the time. Bro,
Speaker 1: You're the best man. Thanks for having me. It was
Speaker 1: a blast. We were able to cover a lot there
Speaker 1: with Mark, whether it was his days as a player
Speaker 1: growing up, the other sports that Mark played, his broadcasting career,
Speaker 1: his coaching career, and also the potential of being a
Speaker 1: head coach again, whether it be in the NBA or
Speaker 1: at the major college level. I certainly think that's something
Speaker 1: that Mark has earned, given the job that he did
Speaker 1: with the Warriors those three years, and obviously being such
Speaker 1: a big name in basketball, given what he's accomplished as
Speaker 1: a player and a broadcaster as well. Along with Mike
Speaker 1: Breen and Jeff Van Gundy, they are the longest US
Speaker 1: running broadcast team in NBA Finals history, and they'll call
Speaker 1: the Finals again in twenty twenty three. They'll also call
Speaker 1: the Warriors and Grizzlies as part of five games on
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Speaker 1: and thanks again to Mark Jackson for being this week's
Speaker 1: guest on the Dave Pash Podcast.