1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave Pash. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Last week, we are back talking Arizona Cardinals with Zavan Collins, 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: second year linebacker for the Cards, first round draft pick 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: a year ago out of Tulsa. This week, we'll step 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: outside the Cardinal space and talk primarily NBA, although we 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: will talk a little bit about this week's opponent for 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Mark Jackson ESPN 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: ABC broadcaster. Mark spent seventeen years in the NBA as 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: a player, one of the all time assist leaders in 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: NBA history, part of the NBA Finals broadcast team, which 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: is the longest running in NBA history. Seventeen years for 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Mike Green and Jeff Van Gundi. Fifteen years for Mike, 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Jeff and Mark Jackson. The reason why Mark wasn't there 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: for a couple of years he was the head coach 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: of the Golden State Warriors, leading them to two postseason 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: appearances in three years. We'll talk with Mark about his 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: love for Tom Brady and why he became a Tampa 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers fan. With Brady, the way he played a 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: way you know, overachieved at a certain point, overcame obstacles 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: and I love this fight, his grit compassion. We'll also 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: talk about the NBA and Christmas Day, Mark's thoughts on 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. Will get in a little bit of 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: some broadcasting stuff and ask Mark why the booth between Mark, 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: Mike and Jeff is one of the most successful boots 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: in the history of sports television. 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Time now 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: for another edition of the Day Pash Podcast with our 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: guest espn ABC broadcaster, former NBA head coach and seventeen 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: year NBA point guard Mark Jackson. Well Mark, one of 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the reasons I wanted to get you on, along with 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: being a friend for the last fifteen sixteen years, was 47 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: you've led such an interesting life and you've been successful 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: at everything you've done, whether it was as a player 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: for seventeen years, three years with the Warriors, back to 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: back playoffs as the head coach, first time the Warriors 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: had been in back to back playoffs in twenty years, 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: and then as a broadcaster. You, Mike Breen and Jeff 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: Van Gundy have been together for fifteen years, those two 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: for seventeen. The reason you weren't there the other two 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: as you were coaching you're a little busy. But the 56 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: fact you guys have been the longest running NBA finals 57 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: team in history, Like, when you started doing this, did 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: you think that you guys would be together this long? 59 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: Well when I started, First of all, thanks for having me. 60 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: When I started doing TV, I was doing Saturday nights 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: and Friday nights in the studios in Bristol, Connecticut, and 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: then I was doing NETS games with Marv Albert and 63 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: nine and Eagles. So when I got the opportunity to 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: call NBA Finals with Mike Green and Jevan Gundy, it 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: was it was an incredible thing to learn. Knowing the 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: history of the game, knowing the history of incredible boosts, 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: not just in basketball but in sports in general. Never 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: would I imagine that we'd be doing it, you know, 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: at this point and have so many underneath our belt. 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: But it's a credit to the greatness of those two guys, 71 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the friendship that we have on and off the court. 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm honored to be in a booth with those guys 73 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: along with Lisa's halt Is. It's an incredible group. And 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: what you see and what you hear dround the course 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: of the game is, as you know, is the same 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: thing that you'd see in here over the course of 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: dinner with all of us will get along incredibly well 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: in that family for life. Yeah, you're right. It's fun 79 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: when I get a chance, probably handful of times a 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: year to work with both of you, and then you know, 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: another handful of times a year to work with you individually, 82 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: and then work with Jeff individually. And Yeah, you guys 83 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: are What you see is what you get. You guys 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: are as real as it gets. I think your booth 85 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame. If inside the NBA, 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: which is a tremendous studio show, is in the Hall 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: of Fame, I think you guys should be as well. 88 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: For what you guys have accomplished. Do you think because 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: you guys knew each other before has helped with your chemistry? 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: What do you think is the key to having a 91 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: great booth? Well, it's a great question. Thank you for 92 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Not I appreciate it, But I 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: will say this, Even though I would say I'd credit 94 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: us knowing each other beforehand has a lot to do it, 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: I would then, crazy as it sounds, say that it 96 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. And what I mean 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: by that is there are people that have been in 98 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: boosts and known each other longer than we've known each 99 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: other and known each other as much as we've known 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: each other. But the thing is, we have no ego. 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: So I've seen boosts get torn apart because of egos, 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: because somebody says something, or somebody doesn't have enough time, 103 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: or somebody is insulted, or somebody gets jealous of the attention. 104 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: All those things, we could care less about who gets 105 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the attention. We are there to call the game and 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: cover it and do the best that we possibly can do. 107 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: There's nothing that Jeff van Gundya Mike Breen can say 108 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: to me that I would take offense to because I 109 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: know those guys love me and they know that I 110 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: love them. So it's a unique situation, a unique boot 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: where family trump's all and I will get I will 112 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: say this, Mike Breen is as good as it gets 113 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: as a point guard is concerned. When you talk about 114 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson and in my opinion, Ernie Johnson, Mike Breen, 115 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: those are the three greatest point guards to ever do it. 116 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: The way they control the team, the way they orchestrate 117 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: everything that takes place, its thoughts and ends with them. 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: And Jeff is just jeffs as brilliant and basketball mine 119 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: as I've ever been around. I've had the privilege of 120 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: watching him come into the NBA, watched him as an assistant, 121 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: be loyal, dedicated, and work his tailoff, and I watched him, 122 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: you know, every step of the way. He is an 123 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: absolute basketball genius and family for life, somebody I have 124 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: tremendous respect, appreciation and admiration for. Like like no Ova, 125 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: we had Jeff on last year. He told the story 126 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: of when his car blew up. Well, you won that team, 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: you won that next team won his car. I think 128 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: it was was on the tarmac and they were either 129 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: pulling in or leaving, and I think the engine like 130 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: blew the car up in the air and destroyed it. 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: And then I think it destroyed Alan Houston's car as 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: well because it landed on it. Yeah, that was one 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: of his earlier trip as the head coach of the Knicks. 134 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't on that team, but was reading about it 135 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and knew it was typical Jeff Van Gundy. I was 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: well away of the car because the same car he 137 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: drove as an assistant when I was there. Well, I'm 138 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: only in Jeff Vangundy form and fashion could something like 139 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: that app And I've been in Jeff's current car. It's 140 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: probably the same making model as that one. Believable. He 141 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: doesn't invest well. Well, that one was probably cleaner. This 142 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: guy does not watch his causes, which is unbelievable. He 143 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: only watches the keeps the inside clean, which makes no sense. 144 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's typical, Jeff. When I did that game 145 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: with you guys a couple of weeks ago, you were 146 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: kind of making fun of Jeff holding the clicker, what 147 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: he does with his bottom lip when he holds the clicker, 148 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: going back and forth watching film. What are some other 149 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: great and I know I'm asking you off the top 150 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: of your head, but any other great Jeff Van Gundy 151 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: stories that like this is the perfect form to tell that. 152 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: It would be too hard to tell in the middle 153 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: of a broadcast and certainly an NBA playoff game. Will 154 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: you walk around the facility with no shoes on, with 155 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: just his socks due put some shoes on? I mean, 156 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: come on, man, So he'd walked around with his lip 157 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: poked out, with remote in his hand and just his 158 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: socks and no shoes because he's at home. He spent 159 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: so much time and I've been around coaches that that fake. 160 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: The amount of time they were at the facility, Jeff 161 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: Van Gundy is actually there getting stuff done and making 162 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: sure he leaves no stone unturned because of his preparations. 163 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: So I give him credit for that. But put some 164 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: shoes on, dude, and tuck in your bottom lip. We 165 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: don't need to see you your bottom lip poked out 166 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: all day long, waiting to show me a clip of 167 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: not helping and recovering or springing back in transition. He 168 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: is one thing. There's a lot of things I appreciate 169 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: about Jeff. I work with Ron Wall in the Cardinal games, 170 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: and Wolf played for the Cardinals, but he also played 171 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick in Cleveland. And I don't think Belichick 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: came on his radio show when the Cardinals played the 173 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: Patriots the last time, but usually every time the Cardinals 174 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: play New England, Belichick will come on Wolf show. He 175 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: played from thirty years ago. Yet there's still a respect 176 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: and appreciation for any former player. Jeff is the same 177 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: way I've noticed, whether it's you or other guys, Patrick Ewing, 178 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: other guys that he coached, and it's real, it's not fake, 179 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: like he really appreciates and always points to the players, 180 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: always gives the player credit for helping him. He'll always 181 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: say he's got I remember we'd do those games from 182 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: our houses during COVID year and he'd have a picture 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: of Patrick Ewing behind him and he said, I have 184 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: this year, so the camera see the guy that built 185 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: my house. Not literally, but Patrick Patrick Hue is the 186 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: reason I have this nice house well. And he understands it. 187 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: He gets it and anybody that understands what it takes 188 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: in sports, not just basketball, but in sports in general. 189 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: You don't win as a coach without talent and and 190 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: and greatness, and that greatness and talent embracing you, especially 191 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: if you're a guy like Jeff at Gunny. And he's 192 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: well aware of that where he came from that a guy, 193 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: a franchised talent like Patrick Ewing had to embrace him 194 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and put a stamp on everything he was preaching, or 195 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: he could have it could have gone the other way. 196 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: We've seen that with great with great players, uh alien 197 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: ate a coach and not give him a chance. So 198 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: he embraces the fact that Patrick did that for him. 199 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: And and I wouldn't say Patrick just did it for him, 200 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: because Patrick is a loyal guy and he's a winner. 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Patrick saw the amount of work that Jeff was putting 202 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: into it and the knowledge that he had, and he 203 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: trusted him because of that. He didn't just blindly trust them. 204 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: So Jeff is ignoring the fact that he earned that 205 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: respect and that trust from guys like Patrick ewing Uh 206 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: and and and they propelled them to an incredible basketball career. 207 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: So so so I would say I understand his humility, 208 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: but at the same time, it was earned the respect 209 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: in the embrace of everything that he was preaching to 210 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: his troops. Well, and you mentioned humility, and that comes 211 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: across with all you guys, and you talked about having 212 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: no ego. I think that's maybe the biggest key to 213 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: why your booth mark is among the best in sports 214 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: because and I'll a lot of times talk either at 215 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Syracuse or other schools will ask me to talk about 216 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: play by play and what's the success, what's the reason 217 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: for being successful? And I always talk about you know, 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: you have to have a booth. Where as the play 219 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: by play guy, your job is to make the analysts 220 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: the star and let the analysts shine. And sometimes especially 221 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: the three person booth, the analysts are all jocking for 222 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: position and it's wall to wall talking what makes you 223 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: guys great is there might be a couple of possessions 224 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: that go by and it's just Breen calling the play 225 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: because if you don't have anything to say, you're not 226 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: going to just talk to talk. And Jeff's the same way. 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: So I've always appreciated that when working with you guys, 228 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: it's it's conversational, it's easy, it's smooth, and it's fun 229 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: and entertaining. And you guys are always good about picking 230 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: your spots when to be goofy and funny and when 231 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: to be serious. So and then you watch so many 232 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: sporting events and you know, sadly you see people talking 233 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: over each other and talking over the moment. Uh. It 234 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: comes with with with doing it repetition and learning the 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: fact of how to how to best you know, tell 236 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: the story and sometimes let let the let the scene 237 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: tell the story along with Mike. So we take we 238 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: take great pride and sitting back and witnessing greatness. Uh 239 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: So we don't take ourselves serious. And some of the 240 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: best moments has been us laying out and and I 241 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: gave credit to Mike and Jeff. I also want to 242 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: give credit to our boss, which you know very well, 243 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Tim Cork who does an incredible job of letting us 244 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: be who we truly are, individually and collectively, guiding us, 245 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: us leading us, and not over coaching he is. He's 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: a brilliant coach as far as production is concerned, and 247 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: somebody has been there the entire way with us, and 248 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: we don't take for granted now. He's as good as 249 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: it gets in terms of being a game producer, as 250 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: good as it gets on any sport. One of the 251 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: other reasons I wanted to have Jan was to talk 252 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: about the team that the Cardinals are playing this week, 253 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: more so the quarterback the Cardinals are playing against, because 254 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: I just assumed, I don't know when I found this out, 255 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: but I just assumed that you were, you know, a 256 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: guy that grew up in New York City, a Giants 257 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: fan or a Jets fan. But you told me this 258 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: was probably ten years ago, that you were a Patriots fan, 259 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: and the reason you were a Patriots fan is because 260 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: of Tom Brady. And then you went on to tell 261 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: me when Brady went to the Buccaneers that you're now 262 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: a Buccaneers fan. First of all, who was your team 263 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: growing up, Mark, And when did you shift your allegiance 264 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: to following Brady and the Patriots and now the Buccaneers. Well, 265 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm a big sports fan, and I was growing up. 266 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: I was Jets, a Giants fan in football, um, and 267 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I was just a fan of football. And then when 268 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: Dan Marino became the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins, I 269 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: became a Dolphins fan because of Dan Marino. Uh. I 270 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: fell in love with the way through the ball, the 271 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: way he played, and just everything about him. And so 272 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: so I wasn't a Patriots fan until Marino retired. When 273 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: Marino retired, when Brady got on the scene, I had 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: to find another team or another guy that I thought 275 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: would be, you know, somebody that I can embrace in, 276 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: and it became Tom Brady. So fell in love with Brady, 277 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: the way he played, the way you know, overachieved that 278 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: at a certain point, overcame obstacles and and uh being 279 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: a backup in all of those things. And I loved 280 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 1: this story. I loved this fight, his grit, his compassion, 281 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: and h I became a Patriots fan. And then when 282 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: not when he became a Tampa Bay Buck and there 283 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: but when Brady decided to leave the New England Patriots, 284 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: it didn't matter wherever he was going, that's the team 285 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: I was going to root for. So when he decided 286 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: to go with Tampa Bay, I became a Buck fan. 287 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: And uh, that's what I am today, and that's what 288 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: I'll be until he retires or leaving goes somewhere else, 289 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: and he goes somewhere else, That'll be my team, for 290 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: better off or worse. And when he retires, I'll be 291 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: on to the next one. I'm not sure that be 292 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: who that will be, but it won't be. It's not 293 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: the best player, per se. It's it's to me. It's 294 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: like like in baseball, I was I was Alex Rojiguez guy. 295 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: So wherever Alex went, I would have been, I would 296 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: have been with Alex. He's he's my guy, somebody I 297 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: love and I love his story and I truly believe 298 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: he should be in the Hall of Fame. Uh that's 299 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: for another story. Have you had a chance to get 300 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: to know Brady at all? No, never met him. Uh, 301 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: just just know him from a distances as a fan. 302 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: As you watch the team this year six and eight 303 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: but still leading the division, it's the worst regular season 304 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: that Brady's had, but still at his age, it is 305 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: remarkable what he's doing. Turnovers were really what did them 306 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: in against Cincinnati on Sunday? What do you make of 307 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: this year's team and do you still think, despite being 308 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: six and eight that if they win the division, that 309 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: they're good enough to make a run of the postseason? 310 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Disappointed thus far, and to me as a as a fan, 311 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: as a player, as a coach, as a guy that 312 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: covers sports, I'm disappointed with the lack of discipline, their consistency. 313 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: If they played the way they played in the first 314 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: half yesterday, then they can get to the super Bowl 315 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: and beat anybody in the NFC. Offensively and defensively, they 316 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: were clicking. The sad thing is that if they played 317 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the way they played in the second half yesterday, there's 318 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: a chance they won't even make the playoffs. They've got 319 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: to be better, and they're good enough to get it done, 320 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: but they haven't displayed a consistency all year long. So 321 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: everything that I know about sports tells me that you 322 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: all your habits and I shouldn't trust them. But because 323 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: of the greatness of Tom Brady and that team being 324 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: able to do it before, I'm holding on to their hope, 325 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: thinking that they could find a way to click on 326 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: all cylinders and get high at the right moment, because 327 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm not in love with anybody in the NFC to 328 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the point where I think that the Bucks when clicking, 329 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: can't beat them, whether it be in their building or 330 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: the oppositions building. To me, and I've seen the Eagles 331 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: this year in person, granted was early in the year, 332 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: seen the forty nine Ers in person. Once the Cardinals 333 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: play there the last game of the season, and obviously 334 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are a shell of the team we thought 335 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: that we were going to have. They've played more players 336 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: than anybody in the NFL and Trace McSorley man ended 337 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: up starting this week and who knows, maybe the of 338 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: the year, depending on how Colt is doing. To me, 339 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco is the best team, the most complete team. 340 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: I have to see jail and hurt to do it 341 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: in the postseason to believe it. Um, I still think 342 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: it's probably Kansas City or Buffalo that wins the Super Bowl, 343 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: but I do think it'll be the forty nine Ers 344 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: against one of those two teams. Who do you think 345 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: right now is the team to beat in the NFL. 346 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's wide open, um when you look 347 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: at the AFC, so many teams legitimately have a have 348 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: a chance and are good enough to get high, especially 349 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: with the quarterback play being at the level that it is. 350 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: It's incredible. So Kansas City, Buffalo, uh gotta be, you know, 351 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the favorites in the AFC. But I'm not I'm not 352 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: counting anybody out because I will say this when you 353 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: when you look at Tom Brady and what he does 354 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: when it matters most, he takes care of the ball. 355 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: He's not, you know, trying anything to be a super hero. 356 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: He's he's marching down the field effectively and efficiently. When 357 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: I look at the quarterback play and say who's gonna 358 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl? Who has a chance to win 359 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? I think any one of those those 360 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: other guys can throw one away and cost that team. 361 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: As great as they are, I don't think they take 362 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: care of football as well as they should. At times 363 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: they can be careless. And that's the greatness of Patrick 364 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: Mahons too. He can throw one away trying to do 365 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: too much. So so that's the concern with me picking 366 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: any particular team. I think it's a great time, It's 367 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: tremendous parody throughout the league, and I think it's wide open. 368 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: Even though you talk about Philly and San Francisco. Can 369 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I say that they won't throw one away? They won't 370 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: not being careless, But are they good enough to take 371 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: care of basketball? To basketball's good enough to take care 372 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: of football the entire way? And I'm not so sure 373 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: that they won't give the opposition a chance to beat 374 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: them off for the mistake. No, I agree. I think we, 375 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: first of all, don't know what the quarterback situation is 376 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: going to be like in San Francisco. And can Brock 377 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: pretty keep doing this? And if Jimmy G can't come back, 378 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: can he know can he win a big playoff game? 379 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: Same question for him that we have for Jalen Hurts. 380 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: Growing up in New York City, did you play football 381 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: at all? Mark? If not, what other sports did you 382 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: play growing up besides basketball? Well, my first sport was baseball. 383 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: I played baseball as a as a kid. My first 384 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: sport as seven years old when we moved from Brooklyn 385 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: the Queens. I got into a little league and I 386 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: played for the you know, the Royals, and we had 387 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: a good time and I fell in love with baseball 388 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: as seven years old and pretty much the same time, 389 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: I fell in love with basketball and I played football 390 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: for a year or two. Enjoyed that. I'm I boxed 391 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: in the local PLU in the neighborhood and Queens So baseball, basketball, football, boxing, 392 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty much in love with If if I can't 393 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: do it, you won't see me do it. I'll follow it, 394 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: but you won't see me play soccer, which the World 395 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: Cup was incredible, but I can't do it. And then 396 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: obviously you went to Saint John's where you're a great player, 397 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: and then in the NBA for seventeen years, Rookie of 398 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: the Year, you're drafted by the Knicks. What was that 399 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: like emotionally to get drafted by to play It's like 400 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, even though DeAndre is from the Bahamas, but 401 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, high school in Phoenix, college at University of Arizona, Tucson, 402 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: NBA with the Sons. You take it one step further 403 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: from growing up in New York, playing college basketball in 404 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: New York City and then playing in the NBA in 405 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: New York City to start your career. Yeah, it was. 406 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: It was incredible, you know, to be a kid watching 407 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the New York Knicks listening to them, dreaming about being 408 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: Erlman Roll. Up until I got to high school. I 409 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: wore number fifteen my entire life for Earl the Perlman role. 410 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: He was my favorite player growing up, and he was 411 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: a back called partner Walt Frazier with the New York Knicks. Uh. 412 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: And I pinched myself sometimes as I look at my 413 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: phone and I'm texting as a fifteen fifty seven year 414 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: old man, I go back to being a little kid 415 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: because I have the privilege in honor of having Erlman 416 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: role's phone number and text him every now and then. 417 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm I'm absolutely amazed when I think 418 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: about the fact that this guy that I dreamed about being, 419 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: I even get chills and emotional thinking about it right 420 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: now that I have the privilege of text him and 421 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: calling him and interacting with him. It's it's it's it's 422 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: mind blowing. So you mayn't even forget the question, oh 423 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: yeah and the Knicks when I get it's crazy when 424 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: you think about that, Uh, that I have the privilege 425 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: to be in contact with the guy that I that 426 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: that stoked the dream in me. Uh, the playing playing 427 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: in New York City. The dream was to be a 428 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: New York Knick and to be drafted, to be to 429 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: be playing college in Saint John's with a great Hall 430 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: of Famer Luke on a second. To then go from 431 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: there to playing in New York City was a dream 432 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: come true. Matta Square Garden, twenty thousand hometown. It's not 433 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: just twenty thousand fans. I got elementary school teachers, elements, 434 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: elementary school classmates, you know, high school principles, middle school 435 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: classmates and teaches. You know, is I'm looking in the 436 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: stands and it was. It was absolutely a surreal feeling 437 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: when you were traded by the Knicks to the Clippers. 438 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: Was that painful for you? I know you did come 439 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: back and play for the Knicks again, but was it 440 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: painful because you thought maybe you were leaving for the 441 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: last time? What was that like? Well, it was painful. 442 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Excuse me. It was painful because I can remember specifically 443 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: pat Riley having a team meeting in the locker room 444 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: and he says, let me let you guys know something. 445 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: There's only two guys in there that's gonna be life 446 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: as with the Knicks, and that's Patrick Euin and Mark Jackson. 447 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm young and dumb. I'm thinking, yeah, I'm gonna be 448 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: a father. Little did I know at some point, you know, 449 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: sooner soon I would be you know, shipped off to 450 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But it was a surprise. But right away 451 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I knew, uh it was a business, and I had 452 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity to go somewhere else, to play in another uniform, 453 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: to impact impact another community. And and and anytime you 454 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: get traded it it shows that somebody else values what 455 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: you bring to the table. So I never looked at 456 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: it as disrespect. I understood it was a business, and 457 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: I looked at it as an opportunity to further my 458 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: career and impact a whole other community. Going to LA 459 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: obviously helped me moving forward because now I live in LA. 460 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: When I moved from New York, you know, fifteen twenty 461 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: years ago, I was looking for home somewhere else. And 462 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm a guy that's a creature of habit as, you know, 463 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: and I wanted to go someplace that I was familiar with, 464 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: uh and and LA was a place that I had 465 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: become familiar with since you know, nineteen, I believe ninety two. 466 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: And it's been it's been great. This next question was 467 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: not on my list, but uh, and I'm gonna end 468 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: up going way over the time. I said I was 469 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: going to keep you, but but Jeff sent me some 470 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: questions to ask you, so you can blame him for 471 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: going too long. One of my favorite thirty for thirties 472 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: was Winning Time Reggie Miller versus The New York Next 473 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: And part of the reason I loved it knowing you, 474 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: but also the showing you and the impact you had 475 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: on him. Was there anything if people have seen that 476 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: thirty for thirty because most people I talked to you 477 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: have it's a pretty popular one. Is there anything that 478 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: was left on the cutting room floor that you know 479 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: you would want people to know about that team or 480 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: your relationship with Reggie Miller? Obviously the Spike League games 481 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: those are very memorable, but is there anything else marked 482 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: that you can think of? You know, Jeff is different 483 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: than me. You can say that Jeff, what happened in 484 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Game three going into the third quarter, and Jeff will 485 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: specifically break down exactly what happened. I don't recall. I 486 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: know we won, but I don't I don't remember different 487 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: situations or games or game four, Game three or anything 488 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: like that. Things that jump out to me are specific 489 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: moments leaving the arena in Indiana after we beat them 490 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: and getting in my car with my family and seeing 491 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: this guy walking on the on the on the side 492 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: of the street in the freezing coal with his bottom 493 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: lip poked out, wondering if anything he could have done 494 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: to get to win, And it was Jeff an Gunny 495 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: sa I'll roll the window down and I'm like he 496 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: okay man. I'm like, you're okay man. It's just like 497 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: those moments jump out. But I tell you, there's no 498 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. Could that Nick team that we 499 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: beat win a championship today? Dances yes. So I don't 500 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: believe that the only teams that we count as great 501 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: teams are the ones that won it. No, they they've had, 502 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, they had great teams. Certainly the moment was right. 503 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: You can't tell me that that Utah Jazz team couldn't 504 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: have won a championship, that Nick team, that Heat team, 505 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, before Lebron and Wade and botching those guys. 506 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: There's so many great teams that have lost. You know, 507 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: the Birds teams that lost the Magic are the Magic 508 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: team that lost the Birds um But Jeff Van Gundy 509 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: whether he had Patrick Ewing or shorthanded Nick team. The 510 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: thing that jumps out they were always prepared, They stayed ready, 511 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: they competed their tail off, and they were absolute champions 512 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: and winners in spite of not winning at all because 513 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: they went the way they went about handling that business 514 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: where they competed and the where they represented New York City. 515 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: And I think the same thing goes for you know, 516 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: that Pacer team and those Pacer teams that I was 517 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: privileged to be part of. But Reggie Miller is a 518 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: friend for life, uh, his family for life. I'm the 519 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: godfather of his oldest child. M honored to be that 520 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: and uh and we we share some incredible moments together. 521 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: And I specifically get excited when I turn on the 522 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: TV and people that I spend quality time with over 523 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: the cost of my life still relevant all these years later. 524 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: You look at a guy like Kenny Smith. I grew 525 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: up with Kenny Smith. We had dreams, we had aspirations 526 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: of one day doing it and to be able to 527 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: turn on TV and note that he's in the Hall 528 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: of Fame. Reggie's in the Hall of Fame. I mean, 529 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: it's it's incredible to watch Mike Green being in the 530 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame to watch Jeff Van Gunny and his 531 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: impact on the game of basketball. I'm watching a drill 532 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: on on an Internet and as a defensive shell drill, 533 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: and they're calling it to TIBs drill. I love Tom Thibodeau. 534 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: That's the Jeff Yangunny Drew. We did that when Jeff 535 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: Van gundy was the head coach. So Jeff yang Gunny's 536 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: impact goes beyond just a three man booth. He is 537 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: a basketball genius. As somebody I love when you get 538 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: the Warrior's job. Obviously, you know, Jeff, as you've been 539 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: saying throughout this podcast, and I'm sure people that remember 540 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: when you were coaching the Warriors the type of coach 541 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: that you were. Obviously, Jeff had a big impact on 542 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 1: you as a coach. Who are some of the other 543 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: I know, Rick Pettino you played for as well, pat 544 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: Riley you mentioned. Who are some of the other coaches 545 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: that impacted you during that stint when you were the 546 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: head coach of the Warriors. Well, I will tell you. 547 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: I'll get this, give you this nugget that hasn't been 548 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: known as far as I know, I as a head 549 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: coach of the Warriors, not not when I first got 550 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: the job, but at some point being the coach of 551 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: the Warriors off of Jeff Yang gunn to be the 552 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: highest paid assistant in the league, to be my assistant, 553 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: my assistant coach, and the timing wasn't right. So that's 554 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: that's how much I think of Jeff and how much 555 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: I valued his basketball knowledge and how much he has 556 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: made me better, not only as a basketball coach, a 557 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: basketball player, but as a person overall. Yeah, I've not 558 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: heard that story. I don't think I've even heard that 559 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: off the year. No, I never I never shed it. 560 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: But but that's what I think of him. I don't 561 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: believe I played seventeen years in the NBA if I 562 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: if Rick Patino's not my first coach. He's a Hall 563 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: of Fame coach, an incredible basketball mine, and a guy 564 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: that allowed me, a New York City point guard, to 565 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: play through mistakes and instill tremendous confidence in me and 566 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity. So if he doesn't give me that, 567 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't propel me to have a seventeen year career. 568 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: So I'm forever grateful I played for so many Hall 569 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: of fame coaches off the top of my head, pat Riley, 570 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Lanny Wilkins, Uh, Jerry Sloan, Larry Bird, who was not 571 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame coach, but the Hall of Fame 572 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: UH basketball player obviously in one of the truly greats. 573 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: Um was an incredible basketball coach because he knew what 574 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: he he understood what he what he knew, and he 575 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: understood what he didn't know. And he instilled, you know, 576 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: quality guys around him in the late Dicata and and 577 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: Rick call out and allowed them to, you know, to 578 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: a certain extent, control the offensive and the defensive side 579 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: of the floor. And Bird was a brilliant basketball mine 580 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: that trusted us. I'm trying to think about Luknaseca, who 581 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: obviously is a Hall of Fame coach. UM I played 582 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: for some Off the top of my head is Larry Brown. 583 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Was that Brown was the Hall of Fame coach that 584 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: I played for in Los Angeles and in Indiana twice. UM. 585 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: So I've been around some some some great basketball minds 586 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: that I've stolen from learning what to do and just 587 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: as important, what not to do, because they all they 588 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: were not perfect. But I learned what to do and 589 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: what not to do, and I still things and to 590 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: the day when I became a head coach that I 591 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: took a little piece of them and it made me 592 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: better as a basketball mine and a basketball coach. Well, 593 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows, Mark, you helped set the table for the 594 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Warriors for the success that they've had with the four championships, 595 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: not just as a coach, but as a talent evaluator, 596 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: whether it's picking Stuff Curry over Monte Ellis, drafting Clay Thompson. 597 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Obviously you were there and a part of that. And 598 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: then you recognized early on the talent of both those 599 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: guys and made the statement, I know you've been asked 600 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: this a thousand times, but made the statement that Clay 601 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: Thompson and Steph Curry will be the greatest shooting backcourt 602 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: in NBA history. Is true? That is a true statement. 603 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: At the time, a lot of people probably were like, 604 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: why is Mark saying that? How did you know? What 605 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: was it about those two guys? Considering all the great players, 606 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: great shooters that you played with or against, and you 607 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: already mentioned one of them, Reggie Miller, who probably prior 608 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: to those two guys you could say was maybe the 609 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: greatest shooter ever, certainly in clutch situations. What about those 610 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: two guys stood out to you to make that statement. 611 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: It's funny because to me, I get credit for it, 612 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: But it was an easy call. And I know people 613 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: you know doubted it then and thought I was crazy 614 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: and going overboard. It was an absolute easy call to make. 615 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: I watched those guys every single day shooting shots at 616 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: a level I've been fortunate enough and blessed enough to 617 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: play alongside of. I want to say about, you know, 618 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: seven eight guys that if you put the greatest if 619 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: you took the fifteen greatest players, the greatest shooters just 620 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: shooting the basketball, fifteen or twenty guys, I got eight 621 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: to ten of them that I played with that would 622 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: be on that list, And any one of those guys 623 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: can come out of that gym as as the winner 624 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: if they had a shooting content. You talked about Reggie Miller. 625 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, Chris Mullen. I played 626 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: with Dale Ellis. I played with Dale Curry. I played 627 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: with Eddie Johnson m I coached Steph Curry. I coached 628 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: Clay Thompson. Forgive me if I'm forgetting anybody else that 629 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: I played with that where they But those guys are. 630 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: Those guys are great, great shooters. And to watch Steph 631 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: and Clay shoot every single day and you can count 632 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: on your hand how many times they miss. The way 633 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: that they played game, speed, in practice, shooting the basketball, 634 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: the way they shot in games, variety of ways in 635 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: which they can get this shot off and shoot it. 636 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: It was an easy call for me to say they 637 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: would be that they were the greatest shooting backhart in 638 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: the history of the game, and for people to doubt it. 639 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: And I'm not just thinking about them and the guys 640 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: I played with. I'm a fan of the game. I 641 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: know the game inside out. If you said that they weren't, 642 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: and you said who the best shooting backcourt outside of 643 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: them statistically to me, and people would say, well, Jerry 644 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: West and Gale Goods, that's not true. John Stockton and 645 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Hornesec both guys effective and efficient and good ones. 646 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: One you know, Jeff is a great shooter. John is 647 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: a very good shooter who statistically is a great shooter. Um, 648 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: so those guys would be. Those guys would be second. 649 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: And with all due respect, I say this with all 650 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: due respect, Stephan Clay are in a different class as 651 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: far as shooters are concerned. So it was an easy 652 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: call for me to make understanding the history of the 653 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: game and respecting the history of the game. It was 654 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: a compliment to those guys, and I was privileged to 655 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: not only, you know, make that call, but even more importantly, 656 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: to have the privilege in honor to coach those guys 657 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: and the guys that I had in Golden State, Mark, 658 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: what would it take for you, because you have a 659 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: great job, and I know you love your job and 660 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: you love where you live in Los Angeles, what would 661 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: it for you to go back and be a head 662 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: coach again in the NBA? Well, I look forward to 663 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: the day when I when I'm coaching again. And that's 664 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: not just in the NBA. I'd entertained coaching, you know, 665 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: in college also, So I look forward to the day 666 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: that I have an opportunity to lead a group of 667 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: men uh A with a program, whether it be on 668 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: a college level on a professional level. I had an 669 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: incredible time being part of something that was built in 670 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: Golden State that has been able to be sustained with 671 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: the greatness of Steve Kerr and that organization and what 672 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: they've been able to do I had at the time 673 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: of my life, playing a role and building something, helping 674 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: to establish something with great coaching, great ownership, great great management, 675 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: and most importantly, great players. I really am excited about 676 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it again at some point I 677 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: look forward to it. Well, but I will say this, 678 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: I'm at peace with who I am as a man, 679 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: and I'm at peace for what God has for me. 680 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: And if that doesn't happen, then I'm not gonna you know, 681 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to lose my mind. I have an 682 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: incredible job calling NBA finals and working for ESPN, ABC 683 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: and working with guys and and and and Lisa that 684 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: I love and enjoy every time I get the opportunity 685 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: to pull on the heads. Well, look, I and I'm 686 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: not the only one that feels this way. I think 687 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy that you're not coaching right now again. As 688 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 1: good as you are doing what you're doing and could 689 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: do this for a long time, I'd love to see 690 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: you get another chance, whether it's in the NBA or 691 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: running a college program. I think you deserve it. The 692 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: job you did with the Warriors, going to the playoffs 693 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: twice in three years, winning a playoff series, when the 694 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: Warriors had been awful for as long as they were. 695 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: I think it's overdue that you get another opportunity to 696 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: be a head coach in the NBA or in college. 697 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: As for with Christmas Day upon us in five games 698 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: on ESPN, ABC, I'll be in Dallas, You'll be at 699 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: Golden State. The Suns are playing in Denver. That's the 700 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: last game we just had them. You and Jeff and 701 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: I did the Boston game where they're down forty five 702 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: at one point. What do you make of the Sons 703 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: And do you think if you and I know we 704 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: talked about this on the year, if you had a 705 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: list of teams that can win the championship, are the 706 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: Sons in that mix as they currently exist or do 707 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: they have to go out and make another move in 708 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: your mind? Well, I think as they currently exist, they 709 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: are in the mix, and I will they put themselves 710 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: further in the mix if they enhanced that talent and 711 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: make a move. Absolutely, But I think they're good enough 712 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: to win it all. And because of the leadership of 713 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: Montie Williams, James Jones and what he's done from day one, 714 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: Superstar and Devin Booker, who is as good as there 715 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: is in this league to sit down and talk to. 716 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: I love his mindset. I'm even watching the game the 717 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: other night where he has fifty seven, and he has 718 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: an old school mentality. Because of the chippiness between the 719 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: Pelicans and the Suns, they're on edge. He gets the 720 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: ball clock doing ling down. Normally you would hold the basketball. 721 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: He shoots a three at the buzzer, basically saying screw 722 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: you to the Pelicans and everybody else. Just that mentality 723 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: that he has is refreshing. It's old school, and he's 724 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: not trying to be friends out there, even though he's 725 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: cardially respectful, and even Clay Thompson, the battle that they 726 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: had with each other, nothing but respect and appreciation admiration 727 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: for one another when the game was over. But in 728 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: between those lines, you're gonna have to see me. That's 729 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: the mentality that's refreshing, and that's the old school mentality 730 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: having Chris Paul. I think it's important for them to 731 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: make sure he's healthy and whole and able to get 732 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: to the finish line. But I think it would make 733 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: them better to get another playmaker, taking the pressure off 734 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: of Booker, and then to get some size. But they 735 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: are certainly good enough in a seven game series to 736 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: beat anybody in the East in the West. Two more questions, 737 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: we'll get you out of here. Mark. For a lot 738 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: of fans, Christmas Day is the start of the NBA season. 739 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: That's usually one of the biggest days, if not the 740 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: biggest day in terms of ratings for the NBA. But obviously, 741 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: guys like you and I have been calling games for 742 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: the last two months and watching games on a regular basis. 743 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 1: Who's the best team you've seen? Again? We just had Boston, 744 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: but they've lost a couple of games to Orlando here 745 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: in the last week, so I don't know if Milwaukee, 746 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: in your mind, has overtaken them. Who do you think 747 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: is the best team? It is a great question, and 748 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: it's it's wide open. I think Boston and Milwaukee are 749 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: the best two teams right now. I think if you 750 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: twisted mom, I would probably say Milwaukee because they've done 751 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: it not being whole, even though Boston didn't have Robert Williams. 752 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: But I think the valuable pieces that Milwaukee has been missing, 753 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: and then they're going to be able to add even 754 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: a guy like Joe Ingles who has the ability to 755 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: play multiple positions, defend, play out of pick and roll, 756 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: make shots, gives them such depth and versatility. They're a dangerous, 757 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: dangerous team. And Jannis again has that old school mentality 758 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: not trying to make friends out there is an incredible 759 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: basketball player that keeps his foot on the gas pedal 760 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: at all times and only wants to get better. But 761 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: Boston is going to be right there when you're talking 762 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: about those two wing players. Wing players crucial in today's game, 763 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: and they have two of the elite, not just wing players, 764 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: but players in the game of basketball. So it's gonna 765 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: be a fun season and I can't wait to crown 766 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: a championship because it is going to be tremendous having 767 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity to tell the story as it plays out 768 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: last one and before actually ask the question, have you 769 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: seen the documentary Love the Untold series on Netflix? Have 770 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: you seen the Rise and Fall of And One? I'm 771 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: assuming you've seen it. Yes, I did watch a little. 772 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: It's tough for me that I know watching Well, that's 773 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: good emotionally, Yeah, I'm sorry, and that's why I wanted 774 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: to ask you about the documentary. Your late brother Troy 775 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: was such a big part also known as Big Escalade, 776 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: big part of the N one mixtape tour. I have 777 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: not seen untold the rise and fall of N one, 778 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: but I've heard great things from a lot of people. 779 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: Is that is that something I should be watching tonight? 780 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: Is that? Like? Should that be on the menu? The 781 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: next thing I watch? If you get an opportunity? Absolutely, 782 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: you know. I'm so proud of my young brother Escalade. 783 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: And it's even funny calling Escalade. We know him as 784 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: Troy and people say young that's just the same parents, Yes, 785 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: same parents, Mom and dad Mary forty years the I 786 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 1: guess got a little hot one day, ten years removed 787 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: from my younger sister and we gotta we gotta a 788 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: son on the way. But the craziest thing that had 789 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: happened I watched him grow and dream and and play, 790 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: and then dreams fall short is not making it to 791 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: the league, battling with Waite, and then I can remember, 792 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: you know any one started and he becomes he said, 793 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: well known. With knowing, I'm like, get known, and you know, 794 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: I brush it to the side. And then one day 795 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: I go to the mall with him and we're walking 796 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: through the mall and somebody runs up to me and 797 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm all ready to sign an autograph and take a 798 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: picture and they say, can you can you take this 799 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: picture with me and Escalator? And I'm like and and 800 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: he could have he could have went on to be 801 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: with guy that moment. He he he had made it 802 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 1: because they wanted me to take a picture of them 803 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: with him as opposed to me being the star in 804 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: the family. But I was extremely proud of him. I'm 805 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: still proud of him when people calling to me today 806 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: and talking about what he did for them, and it 807 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: was spoke a word to them, encouraged them, helped them, 808 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: gott them, nurtured them, mented them. His legacy lives on 809 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: and I couldn't be proud of well. Mark. I really 810 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Thanks Jack so much for your time. Really 811 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: appreciate it and looking forward to when our game's over, 812 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: watching you guys on Sunday night, and look forward to 813 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: working with you at some point here the next month. 814 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: Continue the great work and again appreciate the time. Bro, 815 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: You're the best man. Thanks for having me. It was 816 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: a blast. We were able to cover a lot there 817 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 1: with Mark, whether it was his days as a player 818 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: growing up, the other sports that Mark played, his broadcasting career, 819 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: his coaching career, and also the potential of being a 820 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: head coach again, whether it be in the NBA or 821 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: at the major college level. I certainly think that's something 822 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: that Mark has earned, given the job that he did 823 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: with the Warriors those three years, and obviously being such 824 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: a big name in basketball, given what he's accomplished as 825 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: a player and a broadcaster as well. Along with Mike 826 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: Breen and Jeff Van Gundy, they are the longest US 827 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: running broadcast team in NBA Finals history, and they'll call 828 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: the Finals again in twenty twenty three. They'll also call 829 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: the Warriors and Grizzlies as part of five games on 830 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: ESPN ABC. On Christmas Day, I'll be in Dallas with 831 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: Hugh bey Brown calling the Lakers and the MAVs. 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