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Speaker 1: Content warning. This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics like

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Speaker 1: abuse and adult material. You were discussion advised.

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Speaker 2: Well, Finnahl is a silent killer, stealing countless lives without warning.

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Speaker 2: But today's guests are bringing light to the darkness, turning

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Speaker 2: grief into action and stories into lifelines for those who

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Speaker 2: need them most. It's a very serious subject. But before

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Speaker 2: we get to that, joining around the table is Dorothy Newton.

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Speaker 2: You know this is important to talk about, but there

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Speaker 2: are some sad stories attached to it. It's so sad.

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Speaker 3: But you know what our guests today, they're my heroes

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Speaker 3: because the courage. How they're using their courage and their

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Speaker 3: pain for the greater good. Yeah, is just amazing.

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Speaker 2: Amen, rachel An Brown.

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Speaker 4: I think it's beautiful to see how people take their

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Speaker 4: pain and they turn it into their purpose and something

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Speaker 4: that was really tragic in their lives. Yes, good can

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Speaker 4: still come from it. And I know that's really hard

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Speaker 4: to even imagine. How could anything good happen from something

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Speaker 4: so bad? But today's guests are an example of how

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Speaker 4: you can turn it around.

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Speaker 2: That's right. You know that scripture that says God will

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Speaker 2: take what the enemy meant for evil and turn it

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Speaker 2: for good, so sometimes it's hard to leave that can

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Speaker 2: even happen. Cindy Murder, I.

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Speaker 5: Welcome this, thank you, and it's going to bring an awareness,

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Speaker 5: I think, to the public because you hear about fitton

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Speaker 5: On trying to stop it in the news all the time.

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Speaker 5: But I think this is going to bring some skin

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Speaker 5: to that story and help people to understand how real

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Speaker 5: life peoplea well.

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Speaker 2: Greg Swan and Bob Kissling, welcome to the table. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for having the courage to be here today and

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Speaker 2: share your story. I know that it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a blessing to all of those that you are watching

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Speaker 2: in a wake up call for some of you, because

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Speaker 2: no parents should ever have to endure the heartbreak of

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Speaker 2: losing a child. Well, today, Greg Swan and Robert Kessling

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Speaker 2: share how finanyl fathers is turning their personal tragedies into

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Speaker 2: a powerful message of hope. What is fittanyl Well, let's

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Speaker 2: just take a look. Fittinel is sealing lives and grieving

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Speaker 2: parents are sounding the alarm. This video shows why every

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Speaker 2: family needs to know the risk.

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Speaker 6: It's a drug fifty times more potent than heroin, and

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Speaker 6: doctors say just touching it can send you to the

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Speaker 6: emergency room. We're talking about the synthetic opioid fentanyl, and all.

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Speaker 7: Social media app has changed the game when it comes

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Speaker 7: to narcotics. Ventanels all over the place and just massive

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Speaker 7: amounts of it, and some of them are going to

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Speaker 7: fall trapped. About four years ago, DA in Arizona seized

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Speaker 7: zero fentanyl. This last year we sees enough fentanyl to

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Speaker 7: kill seventy million people. You're playing Russian roulette out there

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Speaker 7: when you're taking these pills and you're buying the stuff

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Speaker 2: This is my son Alexander. He died at fourteen years

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Speaker 2: old from fentanyl poisoning.

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Speaker 8: This is our daughter Jessica. She was twenty nine years

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Speaker 8: old when she was killed by fentanyl.

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Speaker 9: This is my daughter alex.

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Speaker 10: She was murdered at twenty years old by a drug

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Speaker 10: dealer who sold her a counterfeit pill made of fentanyl.

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Speaker 2: This is my son Daniel Joseph Parta Johnson, killed at

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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen by illicit fentanyl.

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Speaker 11: This is my son, my son.

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Speaker 2: What you have to understand about a lot of these

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Speaker 2: kids is they thought they were buying a Zanetz, percoset

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Speaker 2: was laced with vitanyl. So Greg tell us, why are

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Speaker 2: they lacing it with vitanyl? And who is lacing it

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Speaker 2: with ventanyl? And are they really trying to kill a generation?

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Speaker 12: There's a conspiracy theory out there that they are, but

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Speaker 12: it seems obvious or purposeful.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you can make up your own mind.

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Speaker 12: But the precursors come in from China, that's a fact,

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Speaker 12: and they're offloaded into Mexico where they're pressed, and they're

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Speaker 12: shipped up through mules into the United States through distribution networks,

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Speaker 12: and they're ubiquitous throughout the United States. To the current

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Speaker 12: administration's credit, they have shut down the border to a

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Speaker 12: tremendous degree, ninety five percent of what it was. But still, sadly,

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Speaker 12: Americans are hired to take this stuff across the border

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Speaker 12: because they're so easy to move, because they're pills and

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Speaker 12: they're made in jungles, they're made in non labs where

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Speaker 12: they're mixed, and they're mixed unevenly only two point one milligrams.

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Speaker 12: Put that in perspective, there's two thousand milligrams in a

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Speaker 12: what's happened is that it's put in there to extend

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Speaker 12: the effects of the drug or the life of the drug.

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Speaker 12: And they're selling famous brands in the farmer world, percocet

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Speaker 12: xanax oxycoton adderall and it's being definitely in the methamphetamines

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Speaker 12: and it's definitely an illicit marijuana now, so you.

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Speaker 9: Got to be really, really careful.

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Speaker 12: But they put it in there, and kids are buying

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Speaker 2: Media, not realizing that it's laced with fish.

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Speaker 12: They have no idea. They think it's real. It comes

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Speaker 12: even in a fake prescription bottle.

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Speaker 9: But you can't go by sight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you know, I know, we have a video

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Speaker 2: to show you kind of This really puts an in

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Speaker 2: perspective of how powerful fitanyl is and what a tiny

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Speaker 2: Let's watch this.

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Speaker 8: This would be how much cocaine somebody would have to

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Speaker 8: ingest to kill them. This is the approximate number of

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Speaker 8: prescription pills one would have to ingest to kill them.

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Speaker 8: This is the amount of heroin the average person would

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Speaker 8: have to ingest to kill them. Ventanyl. You got to

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Speaker 8: bring that camera up here real close to see it.

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Speaker 8: This much fentanyl would kill you and I if we

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Speaker 8: split it. They put fentanyl in cocaine, they put fentanyl

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Speaker 8: in heroin. They put fentanyl, as we already know and

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Speaker 8: talked about, into counterfeit pills. It's odorless, it's tasteless. You

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Speaker 8: don't know it's there, and when you find out it's there,

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Speaker 8: it's too late. You won't even know it. You'll be dead.

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Speaker 8: Twenty five hundred people would be killed by that amount

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Speaker 8: of fentanyl. Does that sound like a drug to you?

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Speaker 8: Does that sound more.

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Speaker 9: Like a poison.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Greg, we'll start with you. Tell us about Drew,

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Speaker 2: who loved God, good boy, did.

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Speaker 12: All the altar calls every time, just to be sure

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Speaker 9: And he was a lovely young man, Mary. He was

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Speaker 12: He was a model, and he was he was very,

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Speaker 12: very smart. He had like a one sixty i Q,

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Speaker 12: which is two below Einstein's. And I loved him. He

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Speaker 12: was my He was my number one guy. He said, Dad,

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Speaker 12: You've always been my hero. And I just adored him

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Speaker 12: from the day he was born. He was the happiest

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Speaker 9: And he knows that, and he always would it would

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Speaker 9: tell me that, and he was. He lived a great life.

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Speaker 12: He was a great athlete, was state champion as a freshman,

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Speaker 12: he had an injury from wrestling and he hurt himself.

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Speaker 12: He was put on a painkiller called percocet, and he

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Speaker 12: liked it. And unfortunately, there's a certain amount of us,

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Speaker 12: and I'm included in this group who are predisposed to addiction.

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Speaker 9: I'm in recovery and have been for my dull life.

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Speaker 12: And he felt, I would say, victim to being addicted

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Speaker 12: to it, called us and said I got a problem

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Speaker 12: with these painkillers.

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Speaker 9: I can't get off of them.

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Speaker 12: I'm buying them illegally, illicitly.

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Speaker 2: So he was buying them off the internet, was he was?

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Speaker 9: He was, Yeah, he was getting them illicitly. He was

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Speaker 9: getting oxy cotton.

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Speaker 12: I have a friend ed Bish who took down the

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Speaker 12: Sackler family for making that stuff available initially, which started

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Speaker 9: But he he was running up a seven.

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Speaker 12: Hundred dollars tab on buying these things, and that's where

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Speaker 12: he had calls and have us bail them out. And

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Speaker 12: we sent him into rehabit rosecrans.

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Speaker 9: He took it seriously.

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Speaker 12: He got clean, He went down to Florida to his

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Speaker 12: halfway house to get better, studied, liked Florida.

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Speaker 9: And was living there on his own, doing well. I

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Speaker 9: was super proud of him.

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Speaker 12: We had a great weekend together at Epcot Center.

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Speaker 9: Our last one together and how much Tom.

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Speaker 2: Passed, but where he really got clean and was doing good.

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Speaker 12: He was a year and a half and he rode

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Speaker 12: all that beautiful blogs and you know, all these great

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Speaker 12: talks on the phone. It was our Drew. We had

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Speaker 12: the latest Jim Carrey movie and he'd say, he's not

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Speaker 12: number one for a reason, man. And we just had

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Speaker 12: a great time together. And I just adored him. And

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Speaker 12: I really have to lean into my faith to just

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Speaker 12: an eternity. And yeah, you're lost when you're you're in

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Speaker 12: a desert when you lose your.

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Speaker 9: Kid, it's bad, And but advocating is the way out.

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Speaker 12: You're you're put into the grave when you lose your kid,

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Speaker 12: I believe, and the way out is to advocate and

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Speaker 12: save other kids in his name, right, So what happened.

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Speaker 12: So he took an unprescribed pill from a roommate and

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Speaker 12: another guy named Rico he was looking for an apartment with,

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Speaker 12: noticed he had pinpoint pupils and was shallow breathing, and

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Speaker 9: Is going on with you?

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Speaker 12: And he had taken it because he had relapsed at

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Speaker 12: he took a methadone what he thought was methodone. The

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Speaker 12: eight and ten times, it'll kill you dead like raid

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Speaker 9: It just there's no exceptions.

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Speaker 12: If it's not prescribed you from your doctor, it's more

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Speaker 12: most likely containing fentanyl, like greatly likely. And his roommate said,

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Speaker 9: Is there anything I can do?

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Speaker 12: He said, no, just let me go home and sleep

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Speaker 12: this off. He staggered into his house, fell down, chipped

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Speaker 12: and he stopped breathing and passed away. His roommate knew

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Speaker 12: something was wrong. His would be roommate, Rico, knew something

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Speaker 12: was wrong. The next day, busted into his room, found him,

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Speaker 12: got a hold of my son Jack on Facebook, who

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Speaker 12: called me and said, are you sitting down? And I

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Speaker 12: He goes, I need you to be sitting down right now,

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Speaker 12: and I was, and he said Drew's dead. And it

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Speaker 12: started kind of a nightmare wilderness experience, you know, the

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Speaker 12: brief parents let out this universal animalistic sound that Ian

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Speaker 12: Tease tell me are is.

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Speaker 9: Everybody makes the same sound.

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Speaker 12: It's not even a noise, It's a sound from the wilderness,

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Speaker 12: from ages of past. And I, you know, eventually, through

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Speaker 12: many trial and error of things that didn't work, which

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Speaker 10: Caleb, So Kyler had just finished his school and so

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Speaker 9: They passed. Here are the signs.

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Speaker 10: There isn't a lot of thinking. I'd say I probably

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Speaker 9: I could feel the life drained out of me.

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Speaker 2: Ye, Dorothy, can you imagine? I really can't.

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Speaker 3: Do you have other kids that you have to go

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Speaker 12: There's enough to kill every man, woman and child three

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Speaker 9: To die for.

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Speaker 2: They thought they were getting.

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Speaker 12: They thought they were going to get something to make

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Speaker 12: If it's not from your doctor, it has fentanyl in it.

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Speaker 3: The acronym for Safe Students Advocating for venterol Education.

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Speaker 12: Have one thousand and one great comebacks to peer pressure,

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Speaker 12: One thousand and one different ways to say that with

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Speaker 2: A little bit about the grieving process. Because you had

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Speaker 10: So, I mean, people understand the grieving process. You know

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Speaker 2: So I even though you had the three girls that

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Speaker 10: Well, Yeah, well there are those roles that I could

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Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, there are there are some of you watching

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Speaker 2: But I don't you remember this is really important. And

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Speaker 2: Some of you think, well, there's just no way, you

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Speaker 2: don't know what all has happened. No, no, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: what you've been through, The Lord loves you as a

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Speaker 2: it is done. You're not alone and you don't have

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Speaker 1: Content warning. This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics like

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, the world blurs the lines between

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Speaker 2: good and evil. God is calling believers to stand firm

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Speaker 2: in his truth. In today's guest reveals while she has

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Speaker 2: chosen to expose the true risk of transitional surgeries and

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Speaker 2: the danger of uninformed medical consent. But before we get

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Speaker 2: to that, joining around the table is April Simons. This

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Speaker 2: is a heavy subject, but it's important that we talk

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Speaker 2: about this. And I mean this may be a subject

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Speaker 2: that's not appropriate for small children to watch, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of people don't even understand what happens when somebody, say,

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Speaker 2: is born a male and wants to get the surgery

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Speaker 2: to become a female. They don't understand the complexities or

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Speaker 2: how dangerous that is.

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Speaker 13: I myself will learn a lot here because we don't

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Speaker 13: talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And so it's great we're getting this information today. Yep,

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Speaker 2: Kendra welcome.

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I just think about you know, I got

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Speaker 14: an email the other day for my thirteen year old.

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Speaker 14: They're going to talk about sex and education and abstinence

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Speaker 14: and all of that, and do they want to do

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Speaker 14: that school or would we rather do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously we chose we wanted to do that.

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Speaker 14: But my point to that is saying they're so young,

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Speaker 14: they don't understand what's happening. They're still learning their body,

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Speaker 14: they're still figuring things out, and today younger and younger

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Speaker 14: children are making this decision with.

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Speaker 2: Health of adults or doctors who are making or parenting

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Speaker 2: making decision. We're going to talk about that, and we

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Speaker 2: have a professional to talk about it. Rachel, I think

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Speaker 2: that's important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it is important, and it's it's actually

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Speaker 4: just truly wild to me that we're even having to

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Speaker 4: do a show on this, is like, how are we

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Speaker 4: even how is this even something that's happening in our country?

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Speaker 4: And why aren't more moms standing up for babies and

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Speaker 4: our children and our kids for sure.

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Speaker 2: Seeing we're under twenty years ago, you and I could

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Speaker 2: have never imagined we'd be sitting here talking.

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Speaker 5: I never knew there were such a thing as transitioning

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Speaker 5: from one sex to another, but I think information hopefully

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Speaker 5: can like parents getting this kind of information, they'll realize

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Speaker 5: how horrible this would be to allow their child, yes

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Speaker 5: to go through something so tragic.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're so excited to have doctor Melanie Crite's back

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Speaker 2: with us, So welcome to the table.

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Speaker 15: Thank you for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to have you here. And I actually

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Speaker 2: am meeting you through our dear friend, doctor Simone Gold,

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Speaker 2: and she said, you have to meet Melanie. What she's

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Speaker 2: going to share is so very important because you know,

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Speaker 2: while many surgeons support sex change surgeries, doctor Melanie critz

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Speaker 2: Backer has chosen a different path. And today she explains

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Speaker 2: why she refuses to perform transitional procedures, and she's going

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Speaker 2: to reveal their hidden dangers. So you are what we

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Speaker 2: call a pelvic reconstructionist, right correct, And so there's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of you that know how to do this surgery,

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Speaker 2: right correct. Okay, so you know exactly what's going on

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Speaker 2: when these surgeries happen. What are some of the most

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Speaker 2: alarming things that you can share with our audience that

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Speaker 2: happens if people just don't know and understand.

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Speaker 16: Well, that speaks to the point of informed consent or

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Speaker 16: lack thereof.

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Speaker 15: And surgeons are supposed to.

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Speaker 16: Go over the risks and benefits of surgery with patients.

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Speaker 16: That's part of the legalities, that's part of the oath

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Speaker 16: of do No harm, and that is severely lacking, and

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Speaker 16: so lots of times what happens are these patients are

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Speaker 16: just given a handout of some of the complications of

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Speaker 16: surgeries without the surgeon actually going over these complications with them.

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Speaker 16: And when you choose to undergo a surgery such as this,

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Speaker 16: there are a multitude of complications. It's not all sunshine

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Speaker 16: and roses after the surgery, and doctors are severely I

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Speaker 16: am just appalled at my colleagues and my profession because

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Speaker 16: we are just radically failing these patients by not giving

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Speaker 16: them the true picture of what's going on, and especially

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Speaker 16: with children.

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Speaker 2: So psychiatrists and what kind of doctors are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is what you need to do without really understanding

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Speaker 2: the complexities associated with it. What other doctors do you

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Speaker 2: hear say, oh, yeah, this is what you should need.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So by the time they get to surgery, we're

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Speaker 16: kind of the last step. They've already generally gone through

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Speaker 16: their primary care provider or the endocrinologists or as for children, pediatricians.

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Speaker 2: But these are not surgeons correct, These are not pelvic

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Speaker 2: reconstructions that understand how complex the male correct and the

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Speaker 2: female pelvic area is.

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Speaker 5: And your purpose for being that type of surgeon was

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Speaker 5: and is to help, like women that have a fallen bladder,

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Speaker 5: or you're helping to reconstruct in a good way correct,

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Speaker 5: to make the body like it's supposed to function.

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Speaker 16: Correct, And that's true reconstruction. Reconstruction is taking a tissue

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Speaker 16: that has failed and restoring it back to what it

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Speaker 16: could be, not taking a perfectly healthy tissue organ deconstructing

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Speaker 16: it and then fashioning something artificial.

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Speaker 2: You had someone that came to your practice and that

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Speaker 2: was transitioning, that had a lot of issues going on,

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Speaker 2: and tell me what were your thoughts and what was

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Speaker 2: going on with that particular thing.

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Speaker 16: So the patient was transitioning from a woman to a

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Speaker 16: man and was being given high doses of testosterone.

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Speaker 2: Which what does that do?

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Speaker 16: By the way, so high doses of testosterone will when

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Speaker 16: we think of males that go through puberty, their voice deepens,

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Speaker 16: they start growing facial hair. Of course, the genitals start

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Speaker 16: enlarging and maturing.

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Speaker 15: As they should.

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Speaker 16: The same thing was happening with this woman who was

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Speaker 16: transitioning to a man.

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Speaker 15: Voice was very deep, facial.

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Speaker 16: Hair was very apparent, muscle mass increases, and notably for

659
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 16: women transitioning to male, the clitorists will enlarge. And that's

660
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 16: what high doses of testosterone do to women.

661
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: And so she came to you because I'm sorry, I

662
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: will always call you what you're born.

663
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 15: Yes, correct, your biological sex.

664
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: So she came to you and she was having what

665
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: kind of issue was referred to me for chronic pelvic pain,

666
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: So chronic pelvic pain.

667
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 15: Correct.

668
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: And so you begin to look at her case and

669
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: you figured.

670
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 15: Out I went through all of the normal, all of

671
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 15: the normal.

672
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 16: Questioning and what's going on, and then we finally get

673
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 16: to the point of when when.

674
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 15: Is this happening.

675
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 16: Well, it's happening as soon as she awakens in the morning,

676
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 16: and it lasts for a couple of hours and then

677
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 16: it goes away. And actually what was happening was a

678
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 16: normal physiological process that happens to men in the mornings

679
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 16: in the case of morning erections. And what was so

680
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 16: appalling to me about this is I had to explain

681
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 16: this is what's happening to the patient. This was an

682
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 16: adult patient, and this information was not given to the patient.

683
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 16: It was not explained that these sorts of things would

684
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 16: start happening. Your body would start producing sensations and things

685
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 16: as men would experience. They understand, you know, they think

686
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 16: of the facial hair and the voice of deepening. That's

687
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 16: the most common that they expect. But the patient was

688
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 16: not expecting this sort of thing painful and it was

689
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 16: painful to the patient until the patient understood was going on.

690
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 16: Once once that happened, you know, and we understand, we

691
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 16: discussed that this is what it's.

692
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 15: Supposed to happen to a man.

693
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: You know.

694
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 16: The patient, you know, understood and had more information to

695
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 16: be able to process what was happening, new things that

696
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 16: were happening to the body. But this was an adult patient.

697
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 16: That's what's so appalling to me is.

698
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: Think about the children.

699
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 15: The children like, how to explain you did?

700
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: How young are they transitioning children that you hear.

701
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 16: About, Oh, my good goodness, anywhere from five, six, seven

702
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 16: years old.

703
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 15: All the child has to do is say, well, you know,

704
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 15: I I think.

705
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: I feel like a boy or I have no idea

706
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: the pain that they're about to end. Correct, Like, just

707
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: let's just forget about the surgery for a minute. Like that,

708
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: women having their breast cut off, or or men that

709
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: are transitioning to women having body parts cut off, the

710
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: horrm owns themselves. It's so contrary to the way God

711
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: created us. Absolutely, So what does it do I mean

712
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: long term for a man to take female hormones at

713
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: big doses and for women to take male hormones at

714
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: big doses long term, because yeah, you can never stop

715
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: correct that, but what does that do to the body?

716
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean you as a surgeon understanding that, so.

717
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 15: Things surgically.

718
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 16: Speaking, non surgically, when you're exposed to the opposite sex hormones.

719
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 16: A man taking high doses of estrogen, they are at

720
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 16: risk for cardiac disease. They're at risk for osteoporosis. We've

721
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 16: seen increased dementia for females taking high doses of testosterone.

722
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 16: There's a reason why when we supplement testosterone for men

723
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 16: having low testosterone that we monitor our blood work because

724
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 16: that creates the potential for cardiac problems. So for females

725
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 16: exposed to high doses of testosterone, same sorts of things, stroke,

726
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 16: heart disease.

727
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: Blood cloths, not to mention mentally correct Like to me,

728
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: that is probably the most important component that we could

729
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: talk about because it's what's going on up here and

730
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: the deception involved with it.

731
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 9: Correct.

732
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: That is so sad because now we're seeing scores of

733
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: young people that had the surgery nine, ten, eleven, and

734
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: they get into their teen years, early twenties and they

735
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: look at the doctor and say, why did you allow this?

736
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: And I want to go back, and you can't go back.

737
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 16: You can restore, you can restore to a certain extent,

738
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 16: but you can never restore tissue once that healthy tissue

739
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 16: has been deconstructed and then refashioned, deconstructed again and refashion

740
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 16: what was supposed to have been there, but it will

741
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 16: never function normally with complications of things of such as

742
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 16: fistulas and horrendous scar tissue nerve damage. You will never

743
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 16: have a healthy, normal, fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner.

744
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: And you can take care of the hormones and get

745
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: them off the bad hormones right now.

746
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 16: Once once a child, especially a child, and that's the

747
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 16: one thing that I want to you know, really drive

748
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 16: home here. For children, this is irreversible. Wow, this big pharma.

749
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 16: They are creating patients for life, very savvy, they know

750
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 16: what they're doing.

751
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: Why is it not reversible? And kids?

752
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 16: Because once you start hormonal manipulation on little bodies that

753
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 16: are just starting to develop, they need.

754
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 15: Their normal hormones.

755
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 16: If a little girl needs their normal amount of estrogen

756
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 16: for the ovaries and for the uterus to develop. If

757
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 16: you are halting that process and then bombarding with high

758
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 16: doses of testosterone, you're causing atrophy of those ovaries which

759
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 16: will never regain function.

760
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Wow, So they can never have children.

761
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 16: They likely will not be able to they to biologically

762
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 16: have have their own children. In the same the reverse

763
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 16: for a male, the testicles will atrophy, they will stop

764
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 16: producing sperm. So a child simply cannot. There is no

765
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 16: identifiable way to hit home, you know, and drive home

766
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 16: to these children because they're not old enough, they don't

767
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 16: have the life experience, they don't have wisdom to know

768
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 16: what these decisions are that they're making and the ramifications.

769
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 15: In their adult life.

770
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Speaker 16: And that's was so alarming in appall to me with

771
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 16: my profession and how my profession has failed the population.

772
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: Have you received a lot of pushback for your like

773
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 4: bold stands, especially not popular in the north like where

774
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: so much of this is you know, very I mean promoted.

775
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 16: Yeah, I am not popular among those your voice, I

776
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 16: mean you are championing these children and these teenagers, and

777
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 16: your voice.

778
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: You want to speak out because you genuinely want to

779
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: see people healed, and you don't want to see that

780
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: the correct destruction that you've seen as a result of this,

781
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: I think is really important.

782
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 13: I'm interested to know since you said they don't give

783
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 13: the side effects of what the surgeries do. Do the

784
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 13: parents are they informed of the side effects, the long

785
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 13: term sete effects for these kids?

786
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 16: Everything is glossed over, you know. I will tell you generally,

787
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 16: the parents are so far gone and they are so

788
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 16: entrenched in thinking that they're doing the proper thing for

789
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 16: their children.

790
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 15: Whether that is.

791
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 16: The influence of the school system or whether that's the

792
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 16: influence of a therapist. Parents are generally so entrenched that

793
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 16: they they don't understand. They just think that they are

794
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 16: doing what's best for their children.

795
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 13: My brother's a surgeon, and I know you have to give,

796
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 13: just like you said, you have to give. This is

797
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 13: what could happen, and I'm shocked that they're just not

798
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 13: given it.

799
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: It's just crazy.

800
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, So how many stories are you hearing where people

801
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 14: go and they have the surgery and then they come

802
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 14: back and they're having complications and now they're looking at

803
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 14: a lifelong of treatments of trying to deal with complications

804
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 14: from having this surgery and what their life looks like.

805
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 16: Now, there are a large number, And in fact, there's

806
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 16: a law firm actually locally here in Dallas, Campbell Miller

807
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 16: in Pain and they are a group of God fearing

808
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 16: men basically left their corporate jobs because they felt led

809
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 16: by the Holy Spirit, and this is all that they do.

810
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 16: They are covered up in litigation. In fact, I have

811
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 16: spoken with them extensively to potentially be an expert witness

812
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 16: for them because surgeons aren't speaking out. They are covered

813
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 16: up in litigation for d transitioners.

814
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 15: That's all they do.

815
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: So kids are rising up and zaying, why don't you

816
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: tell me correct that this would change my life forever?

817
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 15: Correct?

818
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 5: Why is it so rare that surgeons won't take a

819
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 5: stand against this kind of surgery?

820
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 15: Follow the money? And I say that wholeheartedly.

821
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 16: I was a private practice doctor, so I was not salaried. Basically,

822
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 16: when you're a private practice surgeon, the more work you do,

823
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 16: the more you get paid. Of course, and a lot

824
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 16: of these doctors, I fully believe it is. It is

825
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 16: just corporate greed, and it is just the almighty dollar.

826
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, the love of money is the

827
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 16: root of all evil. And these surgeries are incredibly lucrative.

828
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 16: When a patient starts down this road, they are a

829
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 16: patient for life. In fact, less does it cost I mean,

830
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 16: dred one hundred and twenty million dollars.

831
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 15: I have my references right here. You know that.

832
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 16: Between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three, it was one

833
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 16: hundred and twenty million dollar industry to transition children. And

834
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 16: that was just that was just up until two years ago.

835
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 16: Now the explosion that we've seen, heaven only knows what

836
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 16: we're going to see, but it is a multimillion dollar industry.

837
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 16: As I said, the surgeries are incredibly lucrative. In fact,

838
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 16: the director of the department at Vanderbilt University was caught

839
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 16: on camera talking about how much money the transgender program

840
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 16: at Vanderbilt University was garnering from these surgeries.

841
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 9: Wow.

842
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Well, well, I think we have a video of Chloe Cole,

843
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: who actually went through the transition process and now is

844
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: coming out saying it was the biggest mistake of her life.

845
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Let's listen to what she has to say.

846
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 17: My name is Chloe Cole and I am a dye Trenschner.

847
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 17: At the age of twelve, I began to experience what

848
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 17: my medical team would later diagnose as gender dysph You,

849
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 17: the gender specialist I was taken to taken to see,

850
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 17: told my parents that I need to be put on

851
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 17: puberty blocking drugs right away. They asked my parents a

852
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 17: simple question, would you rather have a dead daughter or

853
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 17: a living transgender son. I was fast tracked onto puberty

854
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 17: blockers and then distosterone. The resulting menopausal like hot flashes

855
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 17: made focusing on school impossible. I still get joint pains

856
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 17: and weird pops in my back, but they are far

857
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 17: worse when I was on the blockers. I had a

858
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 17: doublem mostectomy at fifteen, after my breasts were taken away

859
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 17: from me the tissue was incinerated. The drugs and surgeries

860
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 17: changed my body, but they did not and could not

861
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 17: change the basic reality that I am and forever will be,

862
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 17: a female. However, sixteen after my surgery, I did become suicidal.

863
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 17: I'm doing better now, but my parents almost got the

864
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 17: dead daughter promised to them by my doctors. My childhood

865
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 17: was ruined, along with thousands of detranitioners that I know

866
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 17: through our networks. This needs to stop. You alone can

867
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 17: stop it. Enough children have already been victimized by this

868
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 17: barbaric pseudoscience. Please let me be your final warning.

869
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean this is barbaric. I mean, I

870
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: can't even believe we're talking about this. It just makes

871
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 2: no sense when how many Chloees are there out there

872
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: like that that, I mean that have parents and doctors

873
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: have made the decision twelve years old. What do you

874
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: know when you're twelve years old and you're talking about adults.

875
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: They don't even have the correct information. How much is

876
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: spent on a person who transitions to surgeries and the

877
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: continued care? Are you saying per person? How much per person? About?

878
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: How much?

879
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Speaker 16: It's generally about two hundred, two hundred and fifty thousand

880
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 16: dollars a year per per person?

881
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 9: Wow?

882
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 2: Wow? And then the continued care and that's.

883
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 16: Just pharmacotherapy and follow ups. You add in surgeries if

884
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 16: they've had surgeries, if there are complications of those surgeries,

885
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 16: or if something happens later on.

886
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Speaker 15: That you need to go back and revise.

887
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Speaker 14: But it's not just the sexual pain that they experienced.

888
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 14: I mean she was talking about her joints, correct her

889
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 14: back popping from the.

890
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Speaker 2: T I'm sorry.

891
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 14: I get emotional because God created your body and it's

892
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 14: such a wonderful way to function the way you designed it.

893
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 14: And so when you take it out of that and

894
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 14: try to make it something that's not supposed to be,

895
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 14: the body is retaliating correct against itself. So what are

896
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 14: some of the other symptoms or the other type of

897
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 14: pain that people will experience from having this kind of surgery.

898
00:48:59,239 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 16: So the joint pain is very common, the chronic pelvic

900
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 16: pain that we that we talked about, the pain after

901
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 16: undergoing those surgeries, especially little kids, when little when when

902
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 16: when a baby's body and I say a baby because

903
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 16: they're just their babies to me, when their body is developing.

904
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Speaker 16: You can't take you can't take a developing body and

905
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Speaker 16: influence it the other way and not expect, not.

906
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Speaker 15: Expect bad things to happen.

907
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they be on hormones for the rest of

908
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: their life.

909
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Speaker 5: Well, then, prescription wise, pharmaceuticals are making a fortune.

910
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Speaker 15: That's correct.

911
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 16: That's why I said they are. The pharmaceutical industry is very,

912
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 16: very savvy.

913
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Speaker 4: What made you so passionate to join this way, especially

914
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Speaker 4: when there's so much that you could lose.

915
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Speaker 16: Well, I didn't get the opportunity to be a mother myself,

916
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 16: and growing up in church, I was always involved in

917
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 16: the youth programs, and my daddy, who passed away in

918
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Speaker 16: two thousand and eight, didn't get the opportunity to be

919
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 16: a grandfather, and he just loved children and he would

920
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 16: always tell me, you got to take care of the

921
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Speaker 16: little fellers, and that's he always told me. You know

922
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Speaker 16: that children are our legacy. And God put me in

923
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Speaker 16: this position. I wasn't going to be a surgeon. I

924
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Speaker 16: was going into internal medicine. I did not want to

925
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Speaker 16: be a surgeon, Lord knows, I didn't want to be

926
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Speaker 16: a public reconstructive surgeon. But all of the doors just

927
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Speaker 16: kept opening and I was forced to make decisions in

928
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Speaker 16: my medical training career. I was forced to make decisions

929
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Speaker 16: very quickly. And when I was approached about doing a

930
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Speaker 16: public reconstructive fellowship, my husband, who I was dating at

931
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Speaker 16: the time, who has put up with more, God love him,

932
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Speaker 16: has put up with more headaches with my career than he.

933
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Speaker 16: But he said, you know what, if there's ever going

934
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Speaker 16: to be a doubt in your mind and you're ever

935
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Speaker 16: going to wonder what might have been, I want you

936
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Speaker 16: to do this fellowship, even though it meant two more

937
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Speaker 16: years apart in a long distance relationship.

938
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Speaker 15: So I went ahead and did the fellowship.

939
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Speaker 16: Well, now I understand why I was meant to be here.

940
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Speaker 15: It was to take care of the little fellers. Yeah,

941
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Speaker 15: and it was.

942
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Speaker 16: Because I'm not going to have a biological legacy. I

943
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Speaker 16: want to be known as the mother of America's children.

944
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Speaker 2: That's so good. That's so good. So gender dysphoria, that's

945
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: a condition. Psychologically, it doesn't mean that you should go

946
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: and have a transitioning, life changing surgery, especially for children, teenagers,

947
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: preteens who aren't old enough to make a decision. Now

948
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: that so many are now coming forward and saying it

949
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: was a mistake, I mean, all you have to do

950
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: is just go to Instagram or YouTube and here's some

951
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: of these stories. Yeah, here's some of these individuals say

952
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: that they just named mental health right to help them

953
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: process what would you say to a parent this watching

954
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: that has a child that's saying this, and everyone is

955
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: saying they need to do this, what would you say

956
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: to them?

957
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 15: I would I would quote them.

958
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 16: The study from twenty eighteen say that shows that most children,

959
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 16: upwards of eighty percent of children desist naturally with puberty.

960
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 16: So what these children and what your children are experiencing

961
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 16: is nothing new. We've been experiencing this since the beginning

962
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 16: of time.

963
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 15: All of us have.

964
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 16: We've all had to go through the horrors of adolescence

965
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 16: and trying to figure out our bodies and everything's confusing.

966
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 16: Take them to church because I am convinced we don't

967
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 16: have a gender dysphoria problem. We've got a people don't

968
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 16: know Jesus problem.

969
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's so good. That's so good. It's wild.

970
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that are watching that I

971
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: feel like are going to be inspired by your goold stance.

972
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: Moms and dads and grandparents. Is there something that they

973
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: can do to join this fight and to help.

974
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Speaker 2: Maybe change this?

975
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, legislation or you know what what are

976
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 4: what can people do?

977
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? In aformation like to have real information?

978
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 16: Yes, absolutely so there are Uh, there are a number

979
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 16: of resources UH. Conservative Counselors dot com, Association for Mental

980
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 16: Health Professionals dot org.

981
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 15: These are for.

982
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 16: Mental health resources, do No Harmmedicine dot org for resources

983
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 16: and how to combat these sorts of things.

984
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 15: Doctor Miriam Grossman.

985
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 16: Has a wonderful book out called Lost in TransNation that

986
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 16: is a wonderful resource for parents to understand, uh, the

987
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 16: background of this and and how to speak with their children.

988
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 16: There is also a book out by Pamela jeger Garfield.

989
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 15: I believe I got that right.

990
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 16: She is a licensed social worker that actually was working

991
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 16: out in the field and wrote this book and how

992
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 16: to deal with school boards and your social social circumstances.

993
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: Right, because you have some schools that are leaving the parents.

994
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: The parents, yeah, they know. Yeah, So thank you for

995
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 2: being here today, thank you for the opportunity, and thank

996
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: you for sharing. And you know, I think at the

997
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: end of the day, what all of us would say

998
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: here at the table is that regardless of what the

999
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: public arena is saying, that we have to do what

1000
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: we feel is pleasing in the side of the Lord

1001
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: and what lines up with the word of God. And

1002
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: we know that He created male and female and so

1003
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: it's important to keep that stand and it bypasses any

1004
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: other political opinion that's out there, even though it may

1005
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: not be popular. We're going to try to do the

1006
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: right thing and continue to do the right thing. I

1007
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: know you are too. We are out of time. I

1008
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: want you to remember that no one is beyond saving,

1009
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: no matter what you may have done in the past,

1010
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: even those that are watching right now that you may

1011
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: have transitioned. I just want to tell you there's always hope.

1012
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: I've interviewed wald Hire, you know who transitioned like in

1013
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: the eighties from a male to a female back to

1014
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: a male and is doing great, got married and now

1015
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: God's using him to help in this area. And he

1016
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: can do that for you. So don't think that your

1017
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: life is over, that God can't use you, or he

1018
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: can't bring peace in your situation, because he can. Jesus

1019
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: is always ready and waiting to redeem all of us today,

1020
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: and all we have to do is just call in

1021
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: his name and say Jesus, and he'll show up just

1022
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: like that, and he'll meet you right where you are.

1023
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: So if you don't know him today, that is the

1024
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: most important thing we can share with you. Just do

1025
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: that and allow him to come in and do something

1026
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: that only he can do in your life. Well, I

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Speaker 2: want to thank doctor Melanie Crite's backward for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: For more information on the documentary What Is a Doctor,

1029
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Speaker 2: you can visit aflds dot org and that's America's frontline

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Speaker 2: Frontline Doctors. As always, make sure to follow us on

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1033
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Speaker 2: avable and now on all major platforms. I know this

1036
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: has been a serious this a heavy topic, but I'm

1037
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: just telling you these are topics that the church needs

1038
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: to address and we need to talk about what's going on,

1039
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: what's happening, and how we are damaging our young people,

1040
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: our children, and we need to be a clear and

1041
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: concise voice to speak truth. So thank you for listening,

1042
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Speaker 2: thank you for watching, and I hope you'll take this

1043
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: information and share it with others and that you never

1044
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: know the Lord may use you to help someone to

1045
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: bring truth and clarity in a situation. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: next time. By by for today,