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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and it is Monday. We are in the aftermath.

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Speaker 2: The smoke has cleared from the twenty twenty four NFL

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Speaker 2: Draft in Matt by pretty much every account, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not just talking in Pittsburgh, right, the Steelers nailed this thing.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I mean I get a kick out of

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Speaker 3: post draft grades and all that thing. It's all those things.

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Speaker 2: Who took the most players people heard of? That's that's

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Speaker 2: what that usually turns out to be. Who had the

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Speaker 2: most picks, who.

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Speaker 3: Had the most picks and early picks, and they did

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Speaker 3: the most blah blah blah. But Steelers have been in

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Speaker 3: almost all the lists near the top in terms of

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Speaker 3: what the experts like you and I have been talking

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Speaker 3: about these specific players for months now, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it seems like we nailed it. To be very honest,

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Speaker 3: congrats to the Drive. It couldn't have went much better

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Speaker 3: in terms of where players fell and not having to

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Speaker 3: move to get them or be overly aggressive, and I

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Speaker 3: give omar Con in the front office a lot of

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Speaker 3: credit for having a really strong understanding of what pockets

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Speaker 3: to fish in and what the league might scoop up

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Speaker 3: and who might be available. I thought that worked out

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Speaker 3: really really well for them, and frankly, the players they

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Speaker 3: brought in I think are high impact guys now. And

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Speaker 3: two trends of the class I think are really important

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Speaker 3: is if you look at relative athletics score, which you know,

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Speaker 3: indicates how athletic are you for your size, this was

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Speaker 3: like the most athletic class in the league, and it's

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Speaker 3: also one of the most experienced. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of snaps here for these guys coming in. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think there're gonna be a lot of projects.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't see any projects at all, except maybe

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Speaker 2: you know, the final pick. Yeah and watch. So how

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Speaker 2: about this. We did our Steelers top twenty. Yeah, last

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Speaker 2: week I just called my list of amin I hadn't

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Speaker 2: looked at it since I was thinking about that last week.

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Speaker 2: Troy Fatano number seven on my list last week of

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Speaker 2: the twenty guys the Steelers would take it picked twenty,

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Speaker 2: he was number seven on the list.

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Speaker 3: I'm pulling mine up as we speak. Actually he was.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be really similar as my day two ones.

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 3: Number nine for me.

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Speaker 2: But you included quarterbacks, right, I mean I had quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: I mean the guys ahead of them were Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: Drake May, Marvin Harrison, Elik Neighbors, a Doonsay Daniels, Alton Latham. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, so of guys that. I mean, that's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Like when they we always told people like, oh, he

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Speaker 3: was a top ten player for us, he was a

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Speaker 3: top ten point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a feeling he was a top ten player

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: No doubt in my mind, you know. I mean he

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Speaker 3: might have been seventh on their board or eighth, ninth, tenth,

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Speaker 3: whatever I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: It was very similar to what I had here. So

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Speaker 2: the Steelers of course take Troy Fatanu, the offensive tackle,

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Speaker 2: not guard tackle, and that made that pretty clear out

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Speaker 2: of Washington. Yeah, with the first pick at twenty overall,

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Speaker 2: it picked nineteen. In round two, they take center Zach

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Speaker 2: Frasier from West Virginia and Matt I know there were

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Speaker 2: times we did a lot of mock drafts, oh sure,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of times when we would get done

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Speaker 2: with our mock draft, and I would say, with those

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Speaker 2: would you go fish?

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Speaker 3: And always when we got a center in round two,

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Speaker 3: almost always Frasier and one of our favorite tackles. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's for Wago. Yeah, you know, I think we almost

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Speaker 3: always said I'll take that. Yeah, I mean those two

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Speaker 3: is an unbelievable start to the draft. You, I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was a lot, I'm sure well. Omar Conn even

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Speaker 3: his heart was beating pretty heavy. Yeah, you know, is

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Speaker 3: this guy gonna fall two more spots? You can fall

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Speaker 3: one more spot? I bet there was some of that

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Speaker 3: feeling with Fraser as well. You know, like all our

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Speaker 3: research shows we have a pretty good chance of getting them,

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Speaker 3: but sometimes you roll snake too, and this doesn't work

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Speaker 3: them a week ago you could lead this draft draft

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Speaker 3: off with those two offensive linemen, you would have taken it.

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Speaker 2: I would have taken it. And I think they certainly

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Speaker 2: part of it very very well. And then you start

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Speaker 2: looking at, you know, what else they got then Roman

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Speaker 2: Wilson with the twentieth pick in round three, the wide

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Speaker 2: later and take Peyton Wilson, the linebacker out of NC State.

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Speaker 3: Just a little surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: To me, those those both were value picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, receiver with the third pick wasn't a shock. I mean,

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Speaker 3: whether it was him or not, I mean that was

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Speaker 3: probably the big That was the biggest need on the

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Speaker 3: board when times came around. And I know slot corner

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Speaker 3: is the need. We talked about a lot, but you

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Speaker 3: can find a slot corner easier, and you can find

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Speaker 3: a starting type receiver. Slot corner we'll talk about. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure these next couple of weeks a lot. I didn't

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Speaker 3: see the Wilson pick coming, but I found it odd

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Speaker 3: that they brought him in and Colson, the linebacker from

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Speaker 2: And when they did that, we talked about it at

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Speaker 2: the time, like there may come a point in the

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Speaker 2: draft where they're available and it's just too good to

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Speaker 2: be true. You have to take them, and you have.

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Speaker 3: To be clean on his medicals, So you probably wanted

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Speaker 3: to spend the day with them. Yeah, you know all

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Speaker 3: those things, and it's it worries me a little for

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Speaker 3: Holcomb's future, but I think deep down they just thought

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Speaker 3: this is a first round tape player. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: exaggerating with that that even with medicals, is probably still

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Speaker 3: a late second on our board. And he's still there.

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Speaker 2: And this is the end of this is the eighth

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Speaker 2: pick in the draft, and he's still there, and we

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Speaker 2: had him ranked in the top fifty.

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Speaker 3: And I mean a lot of these guys miss that

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Speaker 3: are super athletes at that position, but their first round picks, yeah, overdraft,

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Speaker 3: and they're really hard to find. I mean, Fred Warner

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of Day two guys that don't get

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Speaker 2: They then come back with the nineteenth pick in round four,

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Speaker 2: they take Mason McCormick, the guard from South Dakota State,

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Speaker 2: And then that one felt like too good to be

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they won the rev obviously in the revamped

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Speaker 3: it like we have to bring in a third guy, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a pretty crowded.

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Speaker 2: He was probably they probably had all their guys ranked

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Speaker 2: still over here in this other pile, like we would

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Speaker 2: have taken him at eighty four if we had not

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Speaker 2: gotten a center. Yeah, in the second round.

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Speaker 3: I mean, anyone who listens heard us. I mean, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I know more than the Steelers or

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Speaker 3: they're listening to us. They've no reason to do that, obviously,

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Speaker 3: but we said many times that if those top three

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Speaker 3: centers that everyone knows are gone, this guy might be

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Speaker 3: the next best, you know, at that position. But he's

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Speaker 3: also a guard convert. Yeah, so they announced him as

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Speaker 3: a guard, which makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 3: Just drafted a center, but I think it is one

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Speaker 3: of them. I mean, they may have looked at the

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Speaker 3: same way that if we get shut out on those

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then in the sixth round, with the second pick

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Speaker 2: in the sixth round, they take defensive lineman Logan Lee

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Speaker 2: of Iowa to me. He was one of the last

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Speaker 2: guys in this draft that had the body type that

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Speaker 2: they looked for as a pure defensive end. A lot

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Speaker 2: of those defensive tackles went in rounds two and three.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, and so yeah, really quick and yeah, those

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Speaker 2: guys were. In fact, a lot of those guys were

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Speaker 2: gone before the Steelers pick. That hurt the Browns to

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Speaker 2: a certain degree. We'll talk more about that when we

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Speaker 2: get to the rest of the AFC. And then finally,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Wats the defensive back from Texas they took with

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth pick and their final pick in the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Draft. Kind of a project.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, defensive ballented, good looking cat that we got to

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Speaker 2: Special teams type guys. You know, when you look at

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Speaker 2: and James Pierre, some of those guys, there's some there's

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Speaker 2: some snaps that need to be filled there, and this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he screams practice squad or inactive if

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Speaker 3: he makes the final roster, but highly recruited went the

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Speaker 3: Penn State body beautiful like he sculpted like an underwear

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Speaker 3: model type, great jumps, good tester. All in all, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if he's fluid enough to be an outside corner.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a lot of safety experience, but maybe

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Speaker 3: he's your big slot you know, that could handle tight ends.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, he's helping you out on this

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Speaker 2: new kickoff rule at a minimum, you know. I think

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Speaker 2: he and Wilson scream oh big time that and maybe

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Speaker 2: even Lee Lee might be. He tested pretty well for

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Speaker 2: a big guy like that. That wouldn't surprise me to

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Speaker 2: see him out there on some kickoff stuff. They're going

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Speaker 2: to try a lot of different stuff early in the

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Speaker 2: process to see what you need to have out there.

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Speaker 3: In those three draft picks you just mentioned. Should get

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot, a lot a lot of

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Speaker 3: preseason time. Yeah, season snaps too, So no, that works

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Speaker 3: out well. I I didn't know much about him, but

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Speaker 3: the more I dug into him, like, well, that's that's

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Speaker 3: worth a shot in the dark because there's talent there

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Speaker 3: to groom, and there's spots in the secondary where he

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Speaker 2: A guy that's six three and two oh eight at

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Speaker 2: a forty plus inch vertical and some of the explosiveness

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Speaker 2: that he has shown and runs a four to five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he runs more than well enough. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: so there's tools there, there's straits. Yeah, so that's worth devout.

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Speaker 2: See, you bring him in and if all he is

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Speaker 2: is a special teams player. Yeah, as a sixth round pick,

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Speaker 2: it's fine, right, right, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You don't hear from him for a year, and next

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Speaker 3: year he's your nickel. Yeah, still worth it, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: But obviously heavy on the offensive line in this.

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Speaker 3: Draft, get much heavier in draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean in two seasons, two years, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers have completely revamped five draft picks on their offensive line.

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Speaker 2: They've obviously brought some guys in. Isaac Samlo part of

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Speaker 2: the last two seasons. They've revamped this thing pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: And with all respect to the tchooks of four Corps

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Speaker 2: At the very least. What you what you have done here, Matt.

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Speaker 3: It could be right, they're taking two shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Fatan who's like he was one of our run

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Speaker 2: I liked Fowagga a little bit more just because I

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure on your list they were all six seven,

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Speaker 3: Right, and kind of helped at least from our rise

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Speaker 2: This was super easy. Like you know, they they had

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Speaker 3: And anyone can listen to our pre draft stuff. Those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was once a center. I mean, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But if they had come out of this with

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Speaker 2: This is a This is a home run.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close, right, I mean, Fraser versus Barton

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Speaker 2: You got to me a top fifteen talent in this draft,

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Speaker 2: uh Matt. We talked a lot there in that first

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Let's compare them real quick because both have highly

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Speaker 3: They both moved very, very well, but I think Fatano

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Speaker 3: safety that's not going to stand still twenty yards down field.

437
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 3: I like his chances better, but Jones was great at

438
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,880
Speaker 3: that on pools and things of that nature too. They're

439
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: an interesting duo and I think they'll feed off each

440
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 3: other from aggressiveness passion standpoint.

441
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: In fact at times. And we saw this last year

442
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 2: with Broderick Jones. You know this. This has been one

443
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: of the knocks on Fatanos is that he's too aggressive.

444
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, same with Jones, and those people know this,

445
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 3: but it seems pretty clear that late into his rookie year,

446
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 3: they look at Jones as a I'm not saying he's

447
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 3: pouncing Er Di Castro or big Al or any of

448
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 3: those guys, but a lead.

449
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

450
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean that a tough guy in that locker room

451
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 3: doesn't take crap from his teammates, and that's only gonna

452
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 3: be exemplified more and more and you said, sitting down

453
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: with you know, Fatanu when he got here, great talker,

454
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: You had a great interview with him. I mean you

455
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 3: think he's going to be well spoken, and you know.

456
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: He's got there's a lot of leadership skills there.

457
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

458
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The same could be said as Zach Frasier

459
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: the second round. He's not the movement player.

460
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 3: People think he's a little bit better athlete than he

461
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 3: is in terms of movement stuff, but he plays really low,

462
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: which is also he gets.

463
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not. You know, if you put a nose

464
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: tackle over top of him, good luck with that. Uh.

465
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: He's got a good anchor. Uh. He's obviously played a

466
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: lot of games, a lot of football at the center position.

467
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: Is that wrestling background that.

468
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: The more I watch him too. One thing he's really

469
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: good at the people don't think about a lot is

470
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 3: when you pull, well, one guy needs to handle that

471
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: guy's job. Yeah, Like if he cracks down on a

472
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: defensive tackles.

473
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: Ceiling off that the backside, sealing the back.

474
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: Here comes a big wave of a guard and a

475
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 3: tackle behind him, Well, he better be pretty sturdy or

476
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 3: you're getting blown up in the backfield. He does this

477
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: stuff really really really well. His grip strength is fantastic.

478
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: I mean that goes back when he understands the angles

479
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: on that stuff exactly exactly. Yeah, and you know that's

480
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 3: just one of them. He climbs the second level just fine.

481
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 3: Good in protection. Not a superstar, but I mean he's

482
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: a rookies too. Yeah, he's not bad reps. All these

483
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: guys are bad reps, you.

484
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: Know, And of course we know how Steeler fans love

485
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 2: their centers.

486
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it's not like if he's not as

487
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: good as Pouncy, he's a bust. I mean like, yeah,

488
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: come on, guys, you know.

489
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: No, I think he'll be a very solid pro for

490
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: the next decade at least.

491
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: Stand he's from around here. Yeah, a lot of people

492
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: watch him on TV. Even if you're Pit fans and

493
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 3: he hate WU, you got to respect.

494
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: I've seen this guy play in the toughness and everything

495
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: that he brings to the game.

496
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: And our buddy Wes Jueler, I mean, who's over the moon.

497
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: He probably he might be as publicist. He might be

498
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 3: as publicist, but he had some great stuff on him

499
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 3: about wvu's run game before and after Fraser. I mean

500
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: it's like eighty yards per game difference. Yeah, it's light

501
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: years different.

502
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: Good football player and will be a fan favorite as well.

503
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: The guy who's going to, of course be the player

504
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: who gets the ball is Room and Wilson. And I

505
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: hate to put this comparison on him, but I see

506
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: some Hines Ward in his game.

507
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, Like, I don't think like

508
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: Wilson's faster than war Yeah, Ward's a borderline Hall of Famer,

509
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: I mean.

510
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: But just the grittiness that he plays with, the grittiness

511
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: and toughness that he plays with, and you don't didn't

512
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: necessarily think of that with a five ten five eleven

513
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five pound wide receiver who runs a

514
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: four three nine.

515
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's flat out fast. Yeah, he's gonna Austin's probably

516
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: the only guy on the team. He'd say it's definitely

517
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: faster than him. Yeah maybe Jackson actually, I think put

518
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: a couple of speezers now.

519
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: But he's a guy that will stick his nose in there,

520
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: will do the dirty work when the balls in the

521
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: air on they're not fifty to fifty balls, like he's

522
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 2: plucking the ball off of defensive backs helmets. He's doing

523
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: what he's doing, Like he'll save your quarterbacks at sometimes

524
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: if he makes some bad throws because he's just when

525
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: the balls in the air.

526
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: It's his heavy, heavy percentage of slot usage or pre

527
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 3: snap motion into the snot slot to kind of get

528
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 3: him away from man coverage, which is where he needs

529
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: to work on. And he's never gonna be huge. I mean,

530
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: he's gonna wake up every day and be the size

531
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: that he is. He's not gonna be black Scoburus, but

532
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: he plays bigger than that. A lot of verticality out

533
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: of the slot, as you would think from a four

534
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: to three guy, Like they will throw deep bombs right

535
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 3: just straight down the field, you know, getting matched up

536
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: on a Nick Holes.

537
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: He's matched up on Mike Hilton. He's gonna on Mike

538
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: Hilton all day long.

539
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: And pass the safety too. Yeah, so you'll throw bombs

540
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: out of the slot. But you also see a lot

541
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: of inbreaking routes too, because he isn't bashful. I mean,

542
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: deep ends and things and.

543
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: The run after the catch stuff is pretty.

544
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: Good, pretty good. And if you're at Michigan, you're gonna

545
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: block even if you're the smallest guy in the offense,

546
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: you will block or you won't be out there in

547
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: the run game.

548
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that yeah, I think I think Steeler fans

549
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: will like the way he plays as well, and they'll

550
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: really like the way that the second third round draft pick,

551
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: Peyton Peyton Wilson is my early favorite to lead to

552
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: Steelers and tackles in the preseason.

553
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: We've done do this too long. I was about to

554
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: say lead the NFL in Yeah, right, I mean, if

555
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: he gets enough playing time, tackles are not a problem

556
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: for this guy. I mean, that's a great football player.

557
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: I mean he has two negatives. He has very short

558
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: arms and that sometimes will a big guard gets on

559
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: top of him. He can have a hard time getting

560
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: to that guard they catch him first. But say he

561
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: knows that stuff's coming, he's compensated for it with the

562
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: right and a burst of the ball, no false steps.

563
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: And the injuries, I mean, the injuries are obvious. He

564
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: has numerous but it's going back to high school.

565
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean eight surgeries.

566
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Eight surgeries I think on knee and shoulders, shoulder. Yeah,

567
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: but he's been cleaned for two years. They played a

568
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: lot of football over the last two years.

569
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: And there were reports during the draft that the teams

570
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: found that he didn't have an a c L in

571
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: one of one of those knees. Obviously. Yeah again, Uh,

572
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: he's figured out how to play despite that, So.

573
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: I should I guess it was he and Ward both

574
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 3: born without one, or were they taken out in a surgery.

575
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: Ward, if I remember correct, the Ward tore his they

576
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: figured out in a bike accident as a kid. And

577
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: I assume that Wilson at some point tour his and just.

578
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: They were all born with yes, right, it wasn't like, yeah,

579
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: that wasn't born with the left.

580
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: And so your your body learns to compensate that without that,

581
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: you know, you build the muscles up around that area.

582
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: And sure, you know, it's just like a short dude,

583
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray is like, what's

584
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: it like being a short quarterback?

585
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I played quarterback. I've been this

586
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: my own.

587
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: It's not ideal. I mean, you'd love his needs to

588
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: be perfect, to show perfect.

589
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: But if he had been, he's a first round draft pick.

590
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd been first linebacker off the board. Yeah, clearly

591
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: because like Emma cutting on, like Cooper. Cooper is a

592
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: really good athlete, but he's never gonna wear the green dot. Yeah,

593
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: Colson's a green dot guy, but he's no k athlete.

594
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: You know, where Wilson, who was in the top three

595
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 3: with those guys, at least on tape, he's better than

596
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: both on tape. Is all the above. I mean, he's

597
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: the best mind on the field in college, the best playmaker,

598
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: the best athlete, you know, on every defense he's been on.

599
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh again, it's just a I think that

600
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: was just a pick that they had to make because

601
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: he was still He's there there, can't You have to

602
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: take the gift when it's given to you.

603
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: And Mike for Sue's been harping on this, right, It's like,

604
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: remember what happened last year at the position, right, I mean,

605
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: it could happen in any position and any cluster of injuries.

606
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: Not less likely to happen now at linebacker with some

607
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: of the bodies that you've acquired there.

608
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: And I hope Hulkome's fine, but we don't know that.

609
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: You know, if he isn't, then.

610
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: Boy, if he is, they've got a hell of a linebacker.

611
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: For a ton.

612
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: If he isn't, so if Cole, if Cole Holcomb is healthy,

613
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: let's say it's even into the first month of the season,

614
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: they might have the best inside linebacker group this side

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: of San Francisco.

616
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in terms of four deep, yeah, I

617
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: mean even three deep without Hulcomb looks pretty promising right now.

618
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 3: And Wilson, frankly would be the better athletic version of what.

619
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: It's certainly one of the most athletic linebacker groups in

620
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: the NFL.

621
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at it as Queen's always

622
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: going to be out there, yeah, and then and he's

623
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: a plus athlete, he's yea better than what they've been

624
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: playing with for sure for years. And then the rotation

625
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: of either Wilson Holcomb or I can't remember his name

626
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: right now, the linebacker Roberts. Roberts is much different than

627
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: the others. You know, Roberts is the banger and was

628
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: phenomenal last year. Was way better in coverage and space

629
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 3: than I expected. But you don't want him out there

630
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: all the time as your nickel linebacker against Kittle or

631
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: McCaffrey or one of those type of dudes. Yeah.

632
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: So, I mean they've always obviously upgraded that position, and

633
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: then they continued in the fourth round, uh By acquiring

634
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: Mason McCormick. I think it's very much like Peyton Wilson.

635
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I think they were looking at the center group and

636
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: they did such a extensive studies on the centers, and

637
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: they got to the point where Mason McCormick was still there,

638
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: and they said, you know what, this is the guy

639
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: we would have taken forty picks ago.

640
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: He probably would have been the Wilson pick.

641
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 2: Yet yeah, or Roman Wilson, yea. They may if they

642
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: had gone wide receiver in the second round instead of

643
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: Zach Fraser or Fraser wasn't there, McCormick might have been

644
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: the fallback option. And they said, you know what, we're

645
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: just going to take this guy because he's too good.

646
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: He shouldn't still be available.

647
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: We love so much homework on and we want him

648
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: to be a Steeler. We have a high grade on him. Yeah,

649
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: we'll figure it.

650
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: Out and a year. You know, this is a pick

651
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: for a year from now down the road. But in

652
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: the meantime, maybe he's your your game day top backup

653
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: at Garden Center.

654
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Speaker 3: Do you think he'll take many center snaps in camp?

655
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Speaker 3: I bet as he gets he starts at guard, and

656
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Speaker 3: then as we get in the case, I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at first he focuses on both playing

658
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: both guard positions. He's played left, so maybe they work

659
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: him in on the right just to get him used

660
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: to playing that. And then you know, once that happens,

661
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: maybe you get to see him snap in a third

662
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Speaker 2: preseason game or something like that.

663
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Speaker 3: I think, like fourth quarter of games with the undrafted

664
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Speaker 3: free agent quarterback or Alan. Go give it a try.

665
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: I know it won't be perfect, but give it.

666
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: But you because you want him. You want to you

667
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: want to see if he can do it, because he's

668
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Speaker 2: not done it. He was the backup center at South

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Speaker 2: Dakota State. I think he played like two center in

670
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Speaker 2: his college career. Yeah, so yeah, you want to get

671
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: him some time there because you need to know on

672
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Speaker 2: game days is he going to be active as the

673
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Speaker 2: backup center?

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Speaker 3: Right right right? And you assume Herbig is still in

675
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: the mix, but he doesn't have to be. I mean,

676
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: I keep bringing these things up because the league is unforgiving.

677
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: But a Herbig and Austin Polkom, they're not guaranteed to

678
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: be on the roster, you know, I mean, like you

679
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: could get something from ye.

680
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Are these are guys that you could trade and acquire

681
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: some of the some of the stuff. You know, maybe

682
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's trading a herbic to get somebody's extra

683
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: slot cornerback or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, I mean never as they shown, you know,

685
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: they traded dots and they traded Kendrick Green last year.

686
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: Having too many good linemen to make your offensive death

687
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: chart is never ever ever a problem. No, And I

688
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: wonder if this will be a no Mark con thing

689
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Speaker 3: is they don't need a guard in round five in

690
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six draft, but they take one anyway.

691
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: But this just this draft was so good with offensive

692
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: linemen Peyton barn Red that the you know, again, in

693
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: a normal draft, maybe Mason McCormick does go around earlier

694
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: or two rounds earlier.

695
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go look at his testing, it's elite.

696
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's one of the best. And level competition

697
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: wasn't great, but he was really really good against the

698
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: guys you'd expect him to be. And we'll see, you know,

699
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: I mean's certainly worth a red shirt year at a minimum. Yeah,

700
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: and you get but a ton of preseasons.

701
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: You get a year to you know, even continue to

702
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: work with him in terms of his his his skill

703
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: set and those kind of things, but also get him

704
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: into a more professional training program regime too.

705
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Then they take Logan Lee and the defensive tackle

707
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: out of Iowa and Ryan Watson the sixth round, a

708
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: couple kind of developmental players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

710
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: I think Lee could use some weight and strength and

711
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: thickness and grow up a little bit. But he plays

712
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: well on a really good defense. He has the traits

713
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: you look for, enough, athleticism, length. I mean we're talking

714
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Speaker 3: about six round picks here. Yeah, so we'll see, yeah,

715
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: kind of a louder Milk like pick.

716
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you just kind of throw him into

717
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: the mix and see how he fits in. And again,

718
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, louder Milk at this point is going into

719
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Speaker 2: year four, he's not guaranteed anything.

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Speaker 3: No chance of him being here next year a pretty

721
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Speaker 3: slim Yeah, from what we're going off of. Don't it

722
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: can't happen. But I mean, he doesn't meant far from

723
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 3: a guarantee to make this team.

724
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: And you know, the same thing with the Marvin Leal

725
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: at this point, heading into year three, now he was

726
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: a third round draft picks. He get a little more

727
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: leeway with.

728
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Speaker 3: That he's still really really young too. He came out young.

729
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: But you need to show me.

730
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: More, right, need to have more there. And so this

731
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: is a big year for both of those guys, and

732
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: you're adding another player into that mix in that mold

733
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: and logan Lee, sure, you know you don't have to.

734
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Speaker 2: You know, we've seen some of these late round defensive

735
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: ends in particular work out for the Steelers before in

736
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: the past. I mean the brek Kesels, the the you know,

737
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: the Aaron Smith and I hate to compare the kid

738
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: to someone like that, but that's.

739
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Speaker 3: What he looked like coming out of call with Yeah,

740
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: and people forget what those guys look like the day

741
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: they were drafted. I mean they were day three picks

742
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: as well. Aaron Smith I think was two sixty five

743
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: and is combine, you know, grow up and you eat

744
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: a lot of steaks and spend a lot of time

745
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: in the weight room and turn into be two or

746
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: ninety and you know, turn into a great player.

747
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Speaker 2: And as far as Lee goes in terms of of

748
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: I think he's pretty technically sound. Yeah, which is a

749
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: good place to start.

750
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Speaker 3: Right Yeah, And hey, I mean is it ever a

751
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: bad idea to have a late round pick in the

752
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: same room with Cam Hayward at the same position. You

753
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: know what I mean, while Cam's still here, laarn as

754
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: much as you Cam from that guy.

755
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: And Watts can be a guy who at the very

756
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: least helps your special teams out.

757
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: I would imagine that body type you mentioned this, I

758
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: think the other day James Pierre at a minimum as

759
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: a core special team or gun or you know, all

760
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: those things. And maybe he's your big slot, right, maybe

761
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: he's a safety. I mean, he's gonna be pretty. I mean,

762
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: he is a body, beautiful, big.

763
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: Can run and has an explosion, and he's a good tackler.

764
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Speaker 2: There's a lot there to work with that.

765
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Again, Trice and Rush aren't the most fluid outside corners

766
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Speaker 3: in the league either. With this scheme, they may say, hey,

767
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't need Deon sanders Hips to be my corners

768
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: on the outside because you're huge. Yeah, I mean, there's

769
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Speaker 3: a reason they're getting all these big defensive backs.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But that's the that's the Steelers, drafter. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: take a break. When we come back, we'll look and

772
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Speaker 2: see what the rest of the AFC North did in

773
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Speaker 2: this draft. We'll do that when we continue. He is

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Speaker 2: they previewed that earlier this weekend that he will wear

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Speaker 2: number seventy six. They haven't given the other new rookies numbers,

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Speaker 2: closer to Rookie Minicamp.

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Speaker 3: Rookie lineman go in around the league. I bet these

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Speaker 3: two sell a lot of jerseys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. Wes Julder will go get himself

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Speaker 2: a Zach Frazier.

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Speaker 3: Several at the home the way the bumblebee. Anyway, you can.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. So looking at the rest of

797
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: the AFC North, the Baltimore Ravens in the first round

798
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: took cornerback Nate Wiggins out of Clemson. In the second round,

799
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Speaker 2: they came back and took offensive tackle Roger Rosengarten, who was,

800
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Speaker 2: of course Fortan Whu's teammate at Washington. He played on

801
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: the right side, Fatanhu on the left. They then in

802
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: round three take penn State linebacker Adisa Isaac. They had

803
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Speaker 2: two fourth round picks and ended up taking North Carolina

804
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver davontees Walker and then Iowa State cornerback TJ. Tampa.

805
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Speaker 2: In the fifth round, it was rasheen Ah Lee, the

806
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Speaker 2: running back out of Marshall. In the sixth round, they

807
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Speaker 2: quarterback Devin Leary from Kentucky.

808
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Speaker 3: I forgot he went there.

809
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: And then in the seventh round they had two picks.

810
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Speaker 2: They ended up with Michigan State center Nick Semak and

811
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Speaker 2: then saying Nassi Caine, a safety from Purdue.

812
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Speaker 3: All right, well, let's concentrate on the first two days there,

813
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: because I mean even a Lei, the running back is

814
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: injured and might not even play this year, So it

815
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: looks like a lot of projects in Day three for

816
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Speaker 3: the Ravens. I'm sure they were shocked to have a

817
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: Manda Man corner that runs for three with Wiggins' length

818
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: still available to the best teams in the league last year.

819
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Speaker 3: But he also him and Rosen Garden to me, aren't Ravens.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're not typical Baltimore picks right like they

821
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Speaker 2: would if the Steelers had taken those two guys, you'd

822
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: be like, well, that's kind of finessey, the.

823
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: Little finesse for the AFC North Ravens Steelers. Wiggins was

824
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: not big on tackling last year. Roseen Garden's more of

825
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: a finesse player that needs to get tougher and stronger,

826
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Speaker 3: and you know there's something there to work with.

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Speaker 2: But fine.

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Speaker 3: They doubled down on corner Tampa. I don't know why

829
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Speaker 3: he fell, but Tampa's a good outside corner with size.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's an injury there we don't

831
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Speaker 3: know about. He didn't run great. And then Isaac is

832
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Speaker 3: yet another big ten edge rusher.

833
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Speaker 2: You know they drafted a Jabbo. They dropped it. Oh way, clown,

834
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Speaker 2: he's not back.

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Speaker 3: They none of them have been huge.

836
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Speaker 2: They haven't hit on any of them.

837
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're still all work in progresses. So that adds up.

838
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: And then Vontes Walker was a guy that deep threat,

839
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: was highly thought of. Didn't have a great Senior ball

840
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: drop passes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's a one trick pony. I meaneah, I

842
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: think the Senior Bowl hurt him more than it should.

843
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: Poor guy in a bad week and didn't catch the

844
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Speaker 3: ball well because he caught the ball well from Drake

845
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Speaker 3: May All in all, but he's an outside the numbers

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Speaker 3: deep threat that if you're gonna run the ball a

847
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: ton should get some single coverages here and there and

848
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Speaker 3: maybe hit over the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So their class was my third favorite in the division.

851
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: I thought it was fine. I didn't think it was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, but they picked late.

853
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: The Bengals take Amarius Mims two picks before the Steelers

854
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: get Fatanu. That actually helped the Steelers in many ways.

855
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Speaker 2: They they could have taken Fatanaho, plugged him in at guard,

856
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Speaker 2: and then maybe moved him out to tackle next year.

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Speaker 3: What this told me is they defined their tackle.

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Speaker 2: They want big dudes.

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00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's you gotta be this big

860
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Speaker 3: to ride the Thunderbolt, and it's Kenny the Kangaroo or whatever.

861
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Speaker 3: It's pretty darn big for their tackles.

862
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: Then on Day two they come back with Chris Jenkins

863
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Speaker 2: with the seventeenth pick in the second round, the defensive

864
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Speaker 2: tackle out of Michigan. In round three, they had two picks.

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Speaker 2: They took Jermaine Burton, the wide receiver out of Alabama,

866
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Speaker 2: and then McKinley Jackson with their second third round pick,

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Speaker 2: defensive tackle out of Texas A and M. In the

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Speaker 2: fourth round, they take Eric All, the tight end out

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Speaker 2: of Iowa. In the fifth round, that was Josh Newton,

870
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: cornerback out of TCU. They had two sixth round picks.

871
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: They took Tanner McLaughlin, the tight end out of Arizona

872
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: and Cedric Johnson, the edge rusher out of Ole Miss.

873
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: They came back with another Old Miss player in the

874
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: in the seventh round with Dejon Anthony I used the

875
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: big hitter out of Ole Miss, and then finally took

876
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: center Matt Lee from Miami with their final pick in

877
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: this draft.

878
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: I like their draft now I look at their draft

879
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: in two totally different lights. If you look at their

880
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: offensive players, they couldn't be more volatile. I mean, they

881
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: all have something big wrong with them or concerns, but

882
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: they are some of the most talented players at their position. Mims.

883
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 3: We've talked about the no End. Burton, to me is

884
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: the seventh or eighth best wide receiver on tape. All

885
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: might be the second best tight end in this class,

886
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: but he never finishes.

887
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: The seon his injury concerns. With Burton, it's off the

888
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: field stuff. It's off the field stuff.

889
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: Mims. It's just injuries and no experience.

890
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: McLaughlin ran like crazy, like yeah.

891
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, think of him. Yeah, but that's another tight end

892
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: to back up, you know that equation, So they could

893
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: hit like crazy on one none all those guys. One

894
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: thing I did here that I think made the life

895
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 3: a little easier for them is I guess t J. Huschman,

896
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: Zada and Burton are very close there. I don't know

897
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: if they're.

898
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Cousin has been training guys, a lot of guys in

899
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: the draft.

900
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he at least was consultats for him. Yeah,

901
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: so who knows. But they're defensive guys with the total opposite.

902
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: They're kind of boring, plug and play, little risk, good players,

903
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: not home runs Jenkins. I know no one's want not

904
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: hear this, but if it was Jenkins versus Fraser in

905
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: the second round, I'd have some conversations. I mean, I

906
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: probably would have leaned Fraser, but that would be a

907
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: tough decision for me. McKinley Jackson is just a pure nose,

908
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: you know, guy in the middle. I thought they took

909
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: him too early, but it was a need after Reader

910
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: was gone, and the other guys are fine, you know,

911
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: like the defensive players aren't nearly as flashy.

912
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Newton to me, looks like a good potential

913
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: replacement down the road for you know, Mike Hilton. Yeah, yeah,

914
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of a slot. So yeah, we'll see. We'll

915
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: see with that one.

916
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: But they didn't. They helped themselves that like that. Like

917
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: they were my second favorite draft in the division. And

918
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: I guess they announced this morning Dax Hill was now.

919
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: Going to be an outside cornerback.

920
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

921
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: For Cleveland, they didn't have a first round pick. The

922
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: gift that keeps on giving from the Deshaun Watson, so

923
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: their first pick because there was a run on defensive

924
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: tackles in the second round, including Jenkins. They take Michael

925
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: Hall Uh with the seventh Uh. I'm sorry that he

926
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: was the seventh.

927
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: UH.

928
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: I believe up in a defensive in a defensive tackle class,

929
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't particularly good. They just took one because he

930
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: was the best guy available.

931
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: I thought that might be a running back, yes, but.

932
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: There were there were better players I thought of. He

933
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: was more of a third round guy. I agree, even

934
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: maybe even in the fourth round. They take him in

935
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: the second round.

936
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

937
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Then they come back with Michigan guard Zach Zinther in

938
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: round three. In the fifth round, they take Jamari Thrash.

939
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: They've taken a wide receiver now in the draft every year.

940
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: None of them in their best receivers or guys in

941
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: the last five years, and none of them have worked

942
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: out right.

943
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: They've traded for Rondo Moore, They've traded for Judy, They've

944
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: traded for Mary Cooper, and they keep drafting him and

945
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: not hitting on him.

946
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: They took in the sixth round Nathaniel Watson, the linebacker

947
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: out of Mississippi State, and then they had two seventh

948
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: round picks. They took Miles Harden to South Dakota cornerback

949
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: and Juwan Briggs, a defensive tackle from Cincinnati.

950
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: Harden was a guy who was betting. Fond of I

951
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: like that pick. The linebacker from Mississippis was fine. Yeah, okay, yeah,

952
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: it didn't dislike either one of those neighborhoods. If the

953
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Steelers would have went that way. Special team stuff for

954
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: the linebacker, of course. Thrash to me is a four

955
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: if he works out. I don't think we drafted him

956
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: once in a one because we hated him. It's just

957
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: there's always a receiver we liked better at the time.

958
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 3: As for Hal, I think he's a specialist. I think

959
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: he's going to be out there in pass rushing downs.

960
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: Other than Miles Garrett. They liked the row take their

961
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: defensive lineman, but I think he'll always be a road.

962
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: Because another other defensive lineman or any good Yeah right,

963
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: if they were good players, you wouldn't rotate them, right right.

964
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: They rotate because they have to because these guys are

965
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: all Eh.

966
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: He's more of a pass rusher, undersize, doesn't handle double teams,

967
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: makes play in the backfield. And Zenter to me is

968
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean the Ravens did this last year with Warheaves

969
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 3: they took a guard and red shirted them all year

970
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: because he's injured. And I guess Ziner has a better

971
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: chance to come back this year than Vorheaves. But their

972
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: guards are just really expensive, and now they're getting up

973
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 3: in age. I wonder if one of the two won't

974
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: be back next year.

975
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they're they're setting the stage

976
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: for that. But that's their second pick in this draft.

977
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: They really didn't help themselves.

978
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: They didn't do a lot to help themselves this year.

979
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah right.

980
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: They're a team that is now living through free agency

981
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: and what they've been able to acquire in drafts or

982
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: in via trades.

983
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: They might be the team that helped themselves the least

984
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: over the weekend.

985
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: They're the fourth place team in the division.

986
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: To me, I know, we too. I mean, I like

987
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: their roster. I don't think they I think they probably

988
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 3: entered the draft with the fewest needs, But they also knew.

989
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: That they have no depth though.

990
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 3: Right, and that they had to address all those needs

991
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: pre draft because the ant of the picks to do it.

992
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: Their quarterback situation, though, I mean, reading the writing on

993
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: the wall, you don't go sign guys left and right

994
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: and have a four man quarterback room.

995
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: If you're sold on right, who you still owe?

996
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: Who's going to be there?

997
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty million dollars, right, I.

998
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: Mean, he's going to be there.

999
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: That would worry me. And I know it's a running back, but.

1000
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: Would have liked Brooks from Texas or somebody or somebody

1001
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: there to be your next or at least some sort

1002
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: of version of Chubb because I don't think he'll be

1003
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: ready this year either. Yeah.

1004
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean this this is the last time or last

1005
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: year that they won't have a first round draft pick

1006
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: because of the Deshaun Watson situation in it. But that's

1007
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: been costly. That's been costly.

1008
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, you get Jerry Judy at

1009
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: a nice price, but then you pay him right, Yeah,

1010
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: he's okay. I mean I think he's an overrated player.

1011
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: What you gave up in draft compensation, no big deal.

1012
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: But I can't get one in the draft. So I'm

1013
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: gonna do this, and I'm gonna then I then you

1014
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: make the mistake of doubling down on the contract. Yeah,

1015
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they're an aggressive organization, They're a very analytic organization.

1016
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: They spend they have the highest cash spending in the

1017
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: league over the last like three years or so, kind

1018
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: of because they have to though, Yeah, like we got

1019
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: to solve problems with money. I don't know about that.

1020
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, just throwing money at it doesn't necessarily fix it.

1021
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: And that's kind of their problem right now.

1022
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: You inherit. Some other teams problems, like I like Elijah Moore,

1023
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 3: but he never fit in with the Jets. With them

1024
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: or him, I don't know.

1025
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: There's a reason Denver wanted to divest himself with Jerry Judy.

1026
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: Oh he was going no matter what.

1027
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's kind of a kind of a jerk, overrated, overpaid.

1028
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: You're not You're not good enough to be that big

1029
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: of a jerk, right right, you know, So we'll see

1030
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 2: they do good things for them. It's it all still

1031
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: falls to the to how good is the quarterback going

1032
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: to be?

1033
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: Like I I do think the Steelers could overcome below

1034
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: average quarterback play still better than the Browns could. Yes,

1035
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: I believe that. Yeah, yeah, a.

1036
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: The coaching is better top to bottom the whole team.

1037
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that Kevin Stefanski is now one Coach

1038
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: of the Year twice in the last four years. It's

1039
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: so crazy.

1040
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: One coach of the year, and I still think he's

1041
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: on the hot seat.

1042
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: He hasn't even won a division, right, They still haven't

1043
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: won a division title since nineteen eighty nine, and he's

1044
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: been coach of the Year twice twice.

1045
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he might get fired or they

1046
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: hired Rabel for a reason, right, that's all I'm saying. Yeah,

1047
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: he's coach of the year, so unstable organization.

1048
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: True, Yeah, I'm with you. I think if if I

1049
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: ranked the drafts for the division, it would go Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland. Yeah.

1050
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Cleveland might be thirty second.

1051
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. I mean said they didn't have any

1052
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: They didn't have any capo, right.

1053
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: Right, I mean I didn't like Atlanta's pick. At least

1054
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: they drafted somebody in the first round, right.

1055
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: They got a quarterback that yeah, Okay, you may have

1056
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: disagreed with why they did.

1057
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: It, sure, but he could be a really good quarter

1058
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: for some day Rice and that has immense value. You know.

1059
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: I didn't love Tennessee's draft, but Latham's a good player, right,

1060
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: you know.

1061
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they got more out of it than just that.

1062
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: And one of the Browns really didn't yeah.

1063
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: I mean even Houston that the other team that didn't

1064
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: have a first at least made a lot of Day

1065
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: two picks, and yeah, there will be fine, and they

1066
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: have future picks waiting. And you know, Carolina didn't have

1067
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: a first, but they traded it back in but they

1068
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: have a couple of second rounders and stuff too. I

1069
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: think this is the lightest draft of anyone.

1070
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, let's get to a break that's going to

1071
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the drive here

1072
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number

1073
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: two right after this